What could he be worried about?

Trump rally attendees must agree not to sue campaign over potential coronavirus exposure

A disclaimer for the June 19 event makes no mention of required social distancing or safety precautions, such as face coverings.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/trump-rally-sue-campaign-coronavirus-exposure-314353

AiA wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 2:33am:

What could he be worried about? Trump rally attendees must agree not to sue campaign over potential coronavirus exposure A disclaimer for the June 19 event makes no mention of required social distancing or safety precautions, such as face coverings. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/trump-rally-sue-campaign-coronavirus-exposure-314353

Herd immunity is developing - the numbers of new cases are falling as well as the lethality.

There was no restrictions for the riots and protests though - oh there was an exemption made - well why not for Trumps rallies?

Besides if the Democrats win where all doomed anyway!

I'm going to a Trump rally when hes in this area.

Are you going to Joe's rallies Ai - should be fun!

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 2:41am:

Herd immunity is developing - the numbers of new cases are falling as well as the lethality.

Wrong and wrong again, shitbird.


Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 2:41am:

There was no restrictions for the riots and protests though - oh there was an exemption made - well why not for Trumps rallies?

Who is stopping you? The more dead MAGA tards, the better


Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 2:41am:

Besides if the Democrats win where all doomed anyway!

No, just you and your shitbird grifter conspiracy blogs.



Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 2:41am:

I'm going to a Trump rally when hes in this area.

Wonderful! Be sure to shake hands with all the other MAGA tards and cough and sneeze on each other to you know, build that "herd immunity."

Dumbass

Oh well

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 2:41am:

AiA wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 2:33am: What could he be worried about? Trump rally attendees must agree not to sue campaign over potential coronavirus exposure A disclaimer for the June 19 event makes no mention of required social distancing or safety precautions, such as face coverings. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/trump-rally-sue-campaign-coronavirus-exposure-314353 Herd immunity is developing - the numbers of new cases are falling as well as the lethality.

Herd immunity requires 90-90% of the population to be immune right?

With the current death rate of known infections vs deaths, if 95% of the US has herd immunity from spreading the virus alone (not a future vaccine), that's 17 million people dead.  17 million people dead because of Trump if you're linking his rallies to herd immunity.

Anything less will not achieve herd immunity and the deaths that accompany the infections will be for nothing and besides, the entire point of herd immunity is to avoid infections by using vaccinations to make the population immune. 

Infecting the population to reach a point of immunity...  It's a serious "wtf are you talking about" moment.

But alas, it's just a basic tard's Trump defense...

Now I'll admit that's on the high end of estimations because that is assuming the death rate is 5.5% calculated from known cases vs deaths but given the issues with testing (thanks to Trump) and the asymptomatic nature of the virus the actual number of cases would be much higher which would in turn lower the death rate, but you're still looking at millions dead in the version where Trump is deliberately infecting people at his rallies to achieve herd immunity which is what you're saying to justify his selfish actions.

In your world, a vote for Trump is a vote for millions of dead Americans.

4 Americans died in the Benghazi attack that you still to this day want to see Hillary in Gitmo for.  But you're ok with Trump's death count being millions?

ooof...

Many people on here doubt the number of Jews that died in the Holocaust but if you ignore those bigots and take the accepted value, around 6 million, Trump's death count would be 2-3 times higher than that, if your defense of him Rich is reality, more if you take the bigots version of the Holocaust into account.

That's a really great defense, you've really topped yourself with this one.  Bravo.

Heck we dont even know if anyone can become immune - there have been cases of ppl getting it a second time


Spot

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 9:34am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 2:41am: AiA wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 2:33am: What could he be worried about? Trump rally attendees must agree not to sue campaign over potential coronavirus exposure A disclaimer for the June 19 event makes no mention of required social distancing or safety precautions, such as face coverings. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/trump-rally-sue-campaign-coronavirus-exposure-314353 Herd immunity is developing - the numbers of new cases are falling as well as the lethality. Herd immunity requires 90-90% of the population to be immune right? With the current death rate of known infections vs deaths, if 95% of the US has herd immunity from spreading the virus alone (not a future vaccine), that's 17 million people dead.  17 million people dead because of Trump if you're linking his rallies to herd immunity. Anything less will not achieve herd immunity and the deaths that accompany the infections will be for nothing and besides, the entire point of herd immunity is to avoid infections by using vaccinations to make the population immune.  Infecting the population to reach a point of immunity...  It's a serious "wtf are you talking about" moment. But alas, it's just a basic tard's Trump defense... Now I'll admit that's on the high end of estimations because that is assuming the death rate is 5.5% calculated from known cases vs deaths but given the issues with testing (thanks to Trump) and the asymptomatic nature of the virus the actual number of cases would be much higher which would in turn lower the death rate, but you're still looking at millions dead in the version where Trump is deliberately infecting people at his rallies to achieve herd immunity which is what you're saying to justify his selfish actions. In your world, a vote for Trump is a vote for millions of dead Americans. 4 Americans died in the Benghazi attack that you still to this day want to see Hillary in Gitmo for.  But you're ok with Trump's death count being millions? ooof... Many people on here doubt the number of Jews that died in the Holocaust but if you ignore those bigots and take the accepted value, around 6 million, Trump's death count would be 2-3 times higher than that, if your defense of him Rich is reality, more if you take the bigots version of the Holocaust into account. That's a really great defense, you've really topped yourself with this one.  Bravo.

I will admit to not being impressed with Trump over his covid response  but this is a bit of a stretch spot....

he is mostly up against State Governors  who do not wish to co operate with him anyway......and as we saw the rioters dont give a stuff about covids.....be realistic for once.......New york is still the worst affected State. but the deaths are dropping..so thats a good thing...

What uber dumbass artard Bitchrude fails to recognize is even if recovery from infection guarantees immunity (which no one knows it the case) the hypothetical immunity for five percent of the Spanish population cost 27,459 lives. That is to say the 50 percent infection rate necessary to see a decrease in cases would require the sacrifice of a quarter million human beings.

In ol' F A T T Y's racist America, with its 330 million people, a hypothetical “herd immunity” would require the sacrifice of nearly two million people.

But hey, since most are going to ol' F A T T Y R A L L I E S America is well on its sacrificial way to herd immunity.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa7967f25f58eaf647dea59715209a7dce8944e047acdf63d82ff5b34c976c31.jpg

Marla wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:35am:

What uber dumbass artard Bitchrude fails to recognize is even if recovery from infection guarantees immunity (which no one knows it the case) the hypothetical immunity for five percent of the Spanish population cost 27,459 lives. That is to say the 50 percent infection rate necessary to see a decrease in cases would require the sacrifice of a quarter million human beings. In ol' F A T T Y's racist America, with its 330 million people, a hypothetical “herd immunity” would require the sacrifice of nearly two million people. But hey, since most are going to ol' F A T T Y R A L L I E S America is well on its sacrificial way to herd immunity. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa7967f25f58eaf647dea59715209a7dce8944e047acdf63d82ff5b34c976c31.jpg

so what are you doing about it all marlon???..

are you boycotting   or going to protest them?

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:32am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 9:34am: Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 2:41am: AiA wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 2:33am: What could he be worried about? Trump rally attendees must agree not to sue campaign over potential coronavirus exposure A disclaimer for the June 19 event makes no mention of required social distancing or safety precautions, such as face coverings. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/trump-rally-sue-campaign-coronavirus-exposure-314353 Herd immunity is developing - the numbers of new cases are falling as well as the lethality. Herd immunity requires 90-90% of the population to be immune right? With the current death rate of known infections vs deaths, if 95% of the US has herd immunity from spreading the virus alone (not a future vaccine), that's 17 million people dead.  17 million people dead because of Trump if you're linking his rallies to herd immunity. Anything less will not achieve herd immunity and the deaths that accompany the infections will be for nothing and besides, the entire point of herd immunity is to avoid infections by using vaccinations to make the population immune.  Infecting the population to reach a point of immunity...  It's a serious "wtf are you talking about" moment. But alas, it's just a basic tard's Trump defense... Now I'll admit that's on the high end of estimations because that is assuming the death rate is 5.5% calculated from known cases vs deaths but given the issues with testing (thanks to Trump) and the asymptomatic nature of the virus the actual number of cases would be much higher which would in turn lower the death rate, but you're still looking at millions dead in the version where Trump is deliberately infecting people at his rallies to achieve herd immunity which is what you're saying to justify his selfish actions. In your world, a vote for Trump is a vote for millions of dead Americans. 4 Americans died in the Benghazi attack that you still to this day want to see Hillary in Gitmo for.  But you're ok with Trump's death count being millions? ooof... Many people on here doubt the number of Jews that died in the Holocaust but if you ignore those bigots and take the accepted value, around 6 million, Trump's death count would be 2-3 times higher than that, if your defense of him Rich is reality, more if you take the bigots version of the Holocaust into account. That's a really great defense, you've really topped yourself with this one.  Bravo. I will admit to not being impressed with Trump over his covid response  but this is a bit of a stretch spot.... he is mostly up against State Governors  who do not wish to co operate with him anyway......and as we saw the rioters dont give a stuff about covids.....be realistic for once.......New york is still the worst affected State. but the deaths are dropping..so thats a good thing...

The point from Rich was, it's ok if Trump holds the rallies because it will help achieve herd immunity.

If that is the defence then we need to analyse what herd immunity means without a vaccine.

If you go by the numbers today, that's 17 million dead on the high end, realistically closer to 5 or 6 million. Edit: In the US alone.

Is it a bit of a stretch? The notion that herd immunity is the solution to the virus without a vaccine? Yes. 

That means the virus won, it infected 90-95% of the population and killed all it was going to.  That also means 300+ million more chances for a mutation and a new strain and for this to start all over again.

Trying to say it's ok for Trump to hold his rallies with no social distancing because it will help lead to herd immunity is absurd.

The numbers don't lie.

And the cherry on top being the virus is becoming less lethal and the death rate dropping, the virus didn't change its mind, it's the social distancing, lockdowns and a medical system able to cope that is doing this. 

A surge in infection due to the protests, marches or Trump rallies will undo all of that.

#fightstupid

It's as if America found the "what to do in a pandemic" playbook, looked it at and thought "Don't tell me what to do, freeeeeeedom! Murica!" threw it out and is doing the opposite.

But the Nasdaq is good so everyone is doing well, MAGA!

Edit#2: Actually, Trump did literally throw away and even in many cases do the opposite of what was in the "playbook" he inherited from Obama about pandemic preparedness. 

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:37am:

so what are you doing about it all marlon???.. are you boycotting   or going to protest them?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000453654578/8e4e2b36fb40c77af6e250712fe362f5_400x400.jpeg

is richdude going to agree to trumps disclaimer? ::)

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:46am:

The point from Rich was, it's ok if Trump holds the rallies because it will help achieve herd immunity. If that is the defence then we need to analyse what herd immunity means without a vaccine. If you go by the numbers today, that's 17 million dead on the high end, realistically closer to 5 or 6 million. Is it a bit of a stretch? The notion that herd immunity is the solution to the virus without a vaccine? Yes.  That means the virus won, it infected 90-95% of the population and killed all it was going to.  That also means 300+ million more chances for a mutation and a new strain and for this to start all over again. Trying to say it's ok for Trump to hold his rallies with no social distancing because it will help lead to herd immunity is absurd. The numbers don't lie. And the cherry on top being the virus is becoming less lethal and the death rate dropping, the virus didn't change its mind, it's the social distancing, lockdowns and a medical system able to cope that is doing this.  A surge in infection due to the protests, marches or Trump rallies will undo all of that. #fightstupid

The disastrous toll of the COVID-19 pandemic in Ol' F A T T Y's racist America which has five times more cases than any other country, is directly related to the fact that ol' F A T T Y himself  failed to conduct any widespread testing of its population for months. Regardless of whether these dumbass MAGA tards publicly embrace “herd immunity” or not, the reality is that no state in America has a valid plan to prevent the widespread infection of its population with COVID-19.

There will be without question a major resurgence of the disease, whether in the near term, during the next flu season or both.

It pains me, literally at times which is why I took a week off from the forum not so long ago, that the medical and scientific response to COVID-19, especially in the US, has been so politicised.

Politicised to the point of picking and choosing what facts are real just to suit the observer's opinions.

It's no wonder the Climate Change issue has been made worse if anything, rather than addressed.

If the US, for example, can't come together to solve a problem killing people in front of their eyes, I don't know what chance there is to stop a slowly creeping monster like Climate Change.

#fightstupid

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:57am:

It's no wonder the Climate Change issue has been made worse if anything, rather than addressed.

COVID-19 will be nothing in terms of human suffering and death when climate change really kicks in.

Marla wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 11:00am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 10:57am: It's no wonder the Climate Change issue has been made worse if anything, rather than addressed. COVID-19 will be nothing in terms of human suffering and death when climate change really kicks in.

I mean, I hope not, I've never wanted to be wrong about anything more than that, but I trust in the experts...

CO2 induced climate change seems to be on vacation at the moment
Climate change may not be but CO2 is

Marla wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 11:00am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 10:57am: It's no wonder the Climate Change issue has been made worse if anything, rather than addressed. COVID-19 will be nothing in terms of human suffering and death when climate change really kicks in.

Covid -19 numbers are up because testing has increased.

If you test twice as many drivers you get twice as many drunk drivers.

You really are are a cheery little troll! Fear mongering  - again. Viruses die in warmer climes - your Armageddon prophesy indicates your lack of basic science.

And yes herd immunity is having an effect and what usually happens during a pandemic the virus lethality decreases because the virus kills to many of its hosts - its survival is at stake.

Climate change???  ;D ;D ;D

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 1:05pm:

Marla wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 11:00am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 10:57am: It's no wonder the Climate Change issue has been made worse if anything, rather than addressed. COVID-19 will be nothing in terms of human suffering and death when climate change really kicks in. Covid -19 numbers are up because testing has increased.

Agreed, hence why I said,


ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 9:34am:

Now I'll admit that's on the high end of estimations because that is assuming the death rate is 5.5% calculated from known cases vs deaths but given the issues with testing (thanks to Trump) and the asymptomatic nature of the virus the actual number of cases would be much higher which would in turn lower the death rate, but you're still looking at millions dead in the version where Trump is deliberately infecting people at his rallies to achieve herd immunity which is what you're saying to justify his selfish actions. In your world, a vote for Trump is a vote for millions of dead Americans.

The more you test, the more positive cases you will find out there, and this will impact the results of death rate calculations that my post was based on, which I made clear.


Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 1:05pm:

If you test twice as many drivers you get twice as many drunk drivers. You really are are a cheery little troll! Fear mongering  - again. Viruses die in warmer climes - your Armageddon prophesy indicates your lack of basic science. And yes herd immunity is having an effect and what usually happens during a pandemic the virus lethality decreases because the virus kills to many of its hosts - its survival is at stake.

You of all people trying to lecture others about missing a basic understanding of science?

Thanks, that's a good one.

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 2:41am:

AiA wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 2:33am: What could he be worried about? Trump rally attendees must agree not to sue campaign over potential coronavirus exposure A disclaimer for the June 19 event makes no mention of required social distancing or safety precautions, such as face coverings. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/trump-rally-sue-campaign-coronavirus-exposure-314353 Herd immunity is developing - the numbers of new cases are falling as well as the lethality.

Quote:

The US surpassed 2 million confirmed coronavirus cases on Wednesday night as new hotspots emerge and hospitalisations go up in some states. More than 112,000 people have died from COVID-19 nationwide, according to Johns Hopkins University. The spike in numbers highlights how complicated it is to stop the spread of the virus despite early hotspots such as New York and New Jersey seeing improved numbers. Since Memorial Day, the number of coronavirus hospitalisations has gone up in at least a dozen states, according to data CNN aggregated from the Covid Tracking Project between May 25 to June 9. They are Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Kentucky, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas and Utah. An additional 22 states are trending downward while nine others are holding steady. An additional 100,000 more people will die from coronavirus by September, said Dr. Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/usa-coronavirus-total-cases-passes-two-million-death-toll-112000/2f6632d8-1b1d-4c32-980a-02a5646d23c0

I must say, Rich, it's amazing how someone can be wrong each and every time. I always thought you couldn't fool all of the people all of the time. Surely they'd get something right occasionally, no?

But not you. Do you know how I can find out if something's true? Read your posts, then assume the opposite. You should outsource your services to factcheckers. Why bother with all that boring checking? Just read a Rich post and you'll know it's a porkie.

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 1:05pm:

Marla wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 11:00am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 10:57am: It's no wonder the Climate Change issue has been made worse if anything, rather than addressed. COVID-19 will be nothing in terms of human suffering and death when climate change really kicks in. Covid -19 numbers are up because testing has increased. If you test twice as many drivers you get twice as many drunk drivers. You really are are a cheery little troll! Fear mongering  - again. Viruses die in warmer climes - your Armageddon prophesy indicates your lack of basic science. And yes herd immunity is having an effect and what usually happens during a pandemic the virus lethality decreases because the virus kills to many of its hosts - its survival is at stake. Climate change???  ;D ;D ;D

Yes.....and this nasty one is very obviously dying in your Summer, isn't it!  Only 15 cases, and soon there will be none.  Yay Trump!

Marla wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 11:00am:

COVID-19 will be nothing in terms of human suffering and death when climate change really kicks in.

The curious thing is - with these BLM riots COVID 19 cases haven't spiked. ;)

It must be so disheartening when all you have to do is wait for climate change to really kick in. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 9:34am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 2:41am: AiA wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 2:33am: What could he be worried about? Trump rally attendees must agree not to sue campaign over potential coronavirus exposure A disclaimer for the June 19 event makes no mention of required social distancing or safety precautions, such as face coverings. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/trump-rally-sue-campaign-coronavirus-exposure-314353 Herd immunity is developing - the numbers of new cases are falling as well as the lethality. Herd immunity requires 90-90% of the population to be immune right? With the current death rate of known infections vs deaths, if 95% of the US has herd immunity from spreading the virus alone (not a future vaccine), that's 17 million people dead.  17 million people dead because of Trump if you're linking his rallies to herd immunity. Anything less will not achieve herd immunity and the deaths that accompany the infections will be for nothing and besides, the entire point of herd immunity is to avoid infections by using vaccinations to make the population immune.  Infecting the population to reach a point of immunity...  It's a serious "wtf are you talking about" moment. But alas, it's just a basic tard's Trump defense... Now I'll admit that's on the high end of estimations because that is assuming the death rate is 5.5% calculated from known cases vs deaths but given the issues with testing (thanks to Trump) and the asymptomatic nature of the virus the actual number of cases would be much higher which would in turn lower the death rate, but you're still looking at millions dead in the version where Trump is deliberately infecting people at his rallies to achieve herd immunity which is what you're saying to justify his selfish actions. In your world, a vote for Trump is a vote for millions of dead Americans. 4 Americans died in the Benghazi attack that you still to this day want to see Hillary in Gitmo for.  But you're ok with Trump's death count being millions? ooof... Many people on here doubt the number of Jews that died in the Holocaust but if you ignore those bigots and take the accepted value, around 6 million, Trump's death count would be 2-3 times higher than that, if your defense of him Rich is reality, more if you take the bigots version of the Holocaust into account. That's a really great defense, you've really topped yourself with this one.  Bravo.

Rich is on fire right now. These are his most productive days. Imagine the sort of world we could have if we put a bunch of global citizens like Rich in pyjamas and let them post past their bedtime.

Poverty, world peace, the pandemic - we could solve it all.

Just remember: always believe the exact opposite of what Rich thinks and you can't go wrong.

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

Marla wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 11:00am: COVID-19 will be nothing in terms of human suffering and death when climate change really kicks in. The curious thing is - with these BLM riots COVID 19 cases haven't spiked. ;) It must be so disheartening when all you have to do is wait for climate change to really kick in. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yes, Summer has killed it in the USA, no doubt about it.  Too bad for the 3000 who died overnight with it.  They were just hypochondriacs, pretending to be sick.

Aussie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 3:04pm:

Too bad for the 3000 who died overnight with it.

Too bad you don't understand the meaning of "spiked". ;)

Lack of social distancing, the use of pepper balls to get the rioters to cry and snot ( where the infections come from). Why should they not have spiked if social distancing was the cure for infection?

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 3:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 3:04pm: Too bad for the 3000 who died overnight with it. Too bad you don't understand the meaning of "spiked". ;) Lack of social distancing, the use of pepper balls to get the rioters to cry and snot ( where the infections come from). Why should they not have spiked if social distancing was the cure for infection?

one lady who caught the virus has had to have a lung transplant  her lungs fused together...

we dont really know what the real consequences of catching this virus will be.. we each being different!  but if you think it isnt dangerous maybe think again..

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 3:16pm:

but if you think it isnt dangerous maybe think again..

Where exactly did I say it wasn't dangerous? I was talking about social distancing, the riots, and the lack of a spike in the number of cases.

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 3:44pm:

cods wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 3:16pm: but if you think it isnt dangerous maybe think again.. Where exactly did I say it wasn't dangerous? I was talking about social distancing, the riots, and the lack of a spike in the number of cases.

;)

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 3:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 3:04pm: Too bad for the 3000 who died overnight with it. Too bad you don't understand the meaning of "spiked". ;) Lack of social distancing, the use of pepper balls to get the rioters to cry and snot ( where the infections come from). Why should they not have spiked if social distancing was the cure for infection?

You obviously dont understand anything about this virus.

"The incubation period for COVID-19, which is the time between exposure to the virus (becoming infected) and symptom onset, is on average 5-6 days, however can be up to 14 days. During this period, also known as the “pre-symptomatic” period, some infected persons can be contagious. Therefore, transmission from a pre-symptomatic case can occur before symptom onset."

Maybe some of those recent infections where protesters?,

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 3:44pm:

cods wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 3:16pm: but if you think it isnt dangerous maybe think again.. Where exactly did I say it wasn't dangerous? I was talking about social distancing, the riots, and the lack of a spike in the number of cases.

so this isnt referring to any danger..




lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 3:09pm:

the use of pepper balls to get the rioters to cry and snot

OOOOKKKK

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 5:13pm:

so this isnt referring to any danger.. lee wrote Today at 1:09pm: the use of pepper balls to get the rioters to cry and snot

Did it create danger? It would seem not as there has been no spike in COVID 19.

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 5:53pm:

cods wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 5:13pm: so this isnt referring to any danger.. lee wrote Today at 1:09pm: the use of pepper balls to get the rioters to cry and snot Did it create danger? It would seem not as there has been no spike in COVID 19.

thats not what I was replying too and well you know..

do you think covids have been shelved a little since the death of George????????...... ::) ::)

it happens something more sinister comes along and before you know it last weeks angst is forgotten.

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 5:58pm:

thats not what I was replying too and well you know.

No: I don't. You responded to my post. perhaps you should explain your remarks clearer.

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:32am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 9:34am: Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 2:41am: AiA wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 2:33am: What could he be worried about? Trump rally attendees must agree not to sue campaign over potential coronavirus exposure A disclaimer for the June 19 event makes no mention of required social distancing or safety precautions, such as face coverings. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/trump-rally-sue-campaign-coronavirus-exposure-314353 Herd immunity is developing - the numbers of new cases are falling as well as the lethality. Herd immunity requires 90-90% of the population to be immune right? With the current death rate of known infections vs deaths, if 95% of the US has herd immunity from spreading the virus alone (not a future vaccine), that's 17 million people dead.  17 million people dead because of Trump if you're linking his rallies to herd immunity. Anything less will not achieve herd immunity and the deaths that accompany the infections will be for nothing and besides, the entire point of herd immunity is to avoid infections by using vaccinations to make the population immune.  Infecting the population to reach a point of immunity...  It's a serious "wtf are you talking about" moment. But alas, it's just a basic tard's Trump defense... Now I'll admit that's on the high end of estimations because that is assuming the death rate is 5.5% calculated from known cases vs deaths but given the issues with testing (thanks to Trump) and the asymptomatic nature of the virus the actual number of cases would be much higher which would in turn lower the death rate, but you're still looking at millions dead in the version where Trump is deliberately infecting people at his rallies to achieve herd immunity which is what you're saying to justify his selfish actions. In your world, a vote for Trump is a vote for millions of dead Americans. 4 Americans died in the Benghazi attack that you still to this day want to see Hillary in Gitmo for.  But you're ok with Trump's death count being millions? ooof... Many people on here doubt the number of Jews that died in the Holocaust but if you ignore those bigots and take the accepted value, around 6 million, Trump's death count would be 2-3 times higher than that, if your defense of him Rich is reality, more if you take the bigots version of the Holocaust into account. That's a really great defense, you've really topped yourself with this one.  Bravo. I will admit to not being impressed with Trump over his covid response  but this is a bit of a stretch spot.... he is mostly up against State Governors  who do not wish to co operate with him anyway......and as we saw the rioters dont give a stuff about covids.....be realistic for once.......New york is still the worst affected State. but the deaths are dropping..so thats a good thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o06IdOuUKFc

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 5:53pm:

cods wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 5:13pm: so this isnt referring to any danger.. lee wrote Today at 1:09pm: the use of pepper balls to get the rioters to cry and snot Did it create danger? It would seem not as there has been no spike in COVID 19.

Increasing numbers in 19 states ?

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

Marla wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 11:00am: COVID-19 will be nothing in terms of human suffering and death when climate change really kicks in. The curious thing is - with these BLM riots COVID 19 cases haven't spiked. ;) It must be so disheartening when all you have to do is wait for climate change to really kick in. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The media gave rioters a pass for not distancing and wearing masks. Cause expressing your constitutional rights by burning and looting was more important than say going to church which are still in lockdown.

"Enemy of the people" - quote Donald Trump. How true!

Dnarever wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:04pm:

Increasing numbers in 19 states ?

Is that where the riots were? Or is it the second wave?

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 1:05pm:

Covid -19 numbers are up because testing has increased.

So?


Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 1:05pm:

If you test twice as many drivers you get twice as many drunk drivers.

Strawman argument. If you test as many stupid right wing for their collective I.Q.'s you get ten million times retarded Trump supporters.


Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 1:05pm:

You really are are a cheery little troll! Fear mongering  - again. Viruses die in warmer climes - your Armageddon prophesy indicates your lack of basic science.

Wrong again you walking wet fart. Viruses, like you, are parasites that can survive in warmer climates. Even in the apex of summer COVID has shown no signs of decreasing.

Between June 6 and 9, there was a 36 percent increase in the average number of new cases in the US, according to a leaked report by the Centers for Disease Control. At 27,221, yesterday saw the highest number of new cases since May 21. Globally, new cases surged to a new record, at more than 140,000. Arizona’s state health director, Dr. Cara Christ, sent an urgent letter to Arizona hospitals, asking them to activate their COVID-19 emergency plans. Yeah, virus do "die off" in the summer, don't they? And we all know Arizona is a cold climate in the dead of summer. Shitbird.

Besides, shitbird, I'm talking climate here, not viruses. Floods, droughts, to changes in humidity can bring diseases to climates that never experienced them before. Climate change has and will continue to bring about human and animal displacement and hunger. The United Nation’s World Food Program has made their report for 2020 warning that 73 million people in Africa, beset not only with poverty, but also with conflicts and the impact of natural disasters, economic crises and climate change, are at risk of a food crisis or worse by the end of the year. Don't think that can happen in ol' F A T T Y's America? Think again. As for a virus and the strong possibility of more lethal virus coming in ol F A T T Y's America alone widespread poverty and ramshackle public health systems, makes America especially vulnerable to worse pandemics. Without urgent action and funding, tens of millions of Americans face starvation and millions could die due to another pandemic.

 
Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 1:05pm:

And yes herd immunity is having an effect and what usually happens during a pandemic the virus lethality decreases because the virus kills to many of its hosts - its survival is at stake.

Where is your data to support your stupid claim? Where is it? Hiding in Alex Jone$ F A T asshole? You have no idea what in the f - k you spew on about. Herd immunity is a pseudo-science being pushed by the most reactionary voices within the financial oligarchy who use the media to provide social or scientific credibility for their deadly agenda and yet you bitch about Bill Gates while blowing Alex Jone$ for your "information."

Again, for your insane herd immunity to work, implications for the US are that 1.4 million more people will have to die, 3 million to 5 million more people will be hospitalized, with many more convalescing at home and needing care from their family, before the population as a whole could expect the virus’s growth to become naturally subdued. That is a fact, you walking wet fart of an idiot. The doctrine of herd immunity is an explicit policy for a socioeconomic pogrom not public safety.


Stay stupid, you incel troll.

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 6:35pm:

cods wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 5:58pm: thats not what I was replying too and well you know. No: I don't. You responded to my post. perhaps you should explain your remarks clearer.

;)

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 11:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 10:04pm: Increasing numbers in 19 states ? Is that where the riots were? Or is it the second wave?

Oh...

Never mind.

Marla wrote on Jun 14^th, 2020 at 12:26am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:05pm: Covid -19 numbers are up because testing has increased. So? Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:05pm: If you test twice as many drivers you get twice as many drunk drivers. Strawman argument. If you test as many stupid right wing for their collective I.Q.'s you get ten million times retarded Trump supporters. Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:05pm: You really are are a cheery little troll! Fear mongering  - again. Viruses die in warmer climes - your Armageddon prophesy indicates your lack of basic science. Wrong again you walking wet fart. Viruses, like you, are parasites that can survive in warmer climates. Even in the apex of summer COVID has shown no signs of decreasing. Between June 6 and 9, there was a 36 percent increase in the average number of new cases in the US, according to a leaked report by the Centers for Disease Control. At 27,221, yesterday saw the highest number of new cases since May 21. Globally, new cases surged to a new record, at more than 140,000. Arizona’s state health director, Dr. Cara Christ, sent an urgent letter to Arizona hospitals, asking them to activate their COVID-19 emergency plans. Yeah, virus do "die off" in the summer, don't they? And we all know Arizona is a cold climate in the dead of summer. Shitbird. Besides, shitbird, I'm talking climate here, not viruses. Floods, droughts, to changes in humidity can bring diseases to climates that never experienced them before. Climate change has and will continue to bring about human and animal displacement and hunger. The United Nation’s World Food Program has made their report for 2020 warning that 73 million people in Africa, beset not only with poverty, but also with conflicts and the impact of natural disasters, economic crises and climate change, are at risk of a food crisis or worse by the end of the year. Don't think that can happen in ol' F A T T Y's America? Think again. As for a virus and the strong possibility of more lethal virus coming in ol F A T T Y's America alone widespread poverty and ramshackle public health systems, makes America especially vulnerable to worse pandemics. Without urgent action and funding, tens of millions of Americans face starvation and millions could die due to another pandemic.   Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:05pm: And yes herd immunity is having an effect and what usually happens during a pandemic the virus lethality decreases because the virus kills to many of its hosts - its survival is at stake. Where is your data to support your stupid claim? Where is it? Hiding in Alex Jone$ F A T asshole? You have no idea what in the f - k you spew on about. Herd immunity is a pseudo-science being pushed by the most reactionary voices within the financial oligarchy who use the media to provide social or scientific credibility for their deadly agenda and yet you bitch about Bill Gates while blowing Alex Jone$ for your "information." Again, for your insane herd immunity to work, implications for the US are that 1.4 million more people will have to die, 3 million to 5 million more people will be hospitalized, with many more convalescing at home and needing care from their family, before the population as a whole could expect the virus’s growth to become naturally subdued. That is a fact, you walking wet fart of an idiot. The doctrine of herd immunity is an explicit policy for a socioeconomic pogrom not public safety. Stay stupid, you incel troll.

2 days ago Dead End said "the Seattle protesters really don't demand that the police be defunded"!

Defunding really doesn't mean defunding it means something else!

https://youtu.be/qm-0fXnDGQw

Richdude wrote on Jun 14^th, 2020 at 1:22am:

2 days ago Dead End said "the Seattle protesters really don't demand that the police be defunded"! Defunding really doesn't mean defunding it means something else! https://youtu.be/qm-0fXnDGQw

Oh look, Bitchy Rude can't argue his lame-ass point so he changes the subject and goes to OAN which is propaganda for the god damn dumbest of the god damn dumbest of MAGA tards.


Stay stupid, incel troll.

Karnal wrote on Jun 14^th, 2020 at 12:49am:

lee wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 11:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 10:04pm: Increasing numbers in 19 states ? Is that where the riots were? Or is it the second wave? Oh... Never mind.

So were these new cases in the cities with the riots or were they rioting statewide in the 19 states?

You do understand the difference between states and Ccities; I presume.

"Covid-19 Cases Were Already Rising Before the George Floyd Protests"

https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-cases-were-already-rising-before-the-george-floyd-protests/

Never mind petal. ;)

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 11:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 10:04pm: Increasing numbers in 19 states ? Is that where the riots were? Or is it the second wave?

its mostly where states opened early and quickly despite not really flattening the curve first.

Is this ok?

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Aussie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 2:59pm:

Yes.....and this nasty one is very obviously dying in your Summer, isn't it!  Only 15 cases, and soon there will be none.  Yay Trump!

As I type this the current numbers are over 115,000 dead Americans directly due to COVID-19 over a period of three months. It is now being publicly stated but surpressed by Ol' F A T T Y's administration by health authorities that over 200,000 people will fall victim to the infection by the end of the summer. It is more than probable that the actual death toll will be significantly higher.

The number of deaths is the direct consequence of the failure of ol' F A T T Y"s administration to prepare for a pandemic that scientists had been predicting for the last 20 years. The refusal to allocate appropriate resources was the outcome of the crassest profit-driven calculations.

What's worse, once the pandemic was under way, the principal concern of the ruling elite was to exploit the health emergency to orchestrate yet another multi-trillion-dollar bailout of the corporations and Wall Street financial interests. Once the CARES Act was passed in late March, the government abandoned even its minimum effort to contain the virus. What America got instead was the political establishment—Democrats and Republicans alike—initiating up the demand for a speedy “reopening” of the economy.

And now a full scale economic and social catastrophe is overtaking the United States.  :(

Just found out as of  today the COVID-19 death count will go over the total number of US combat deaths in World War I - 116,708.

Yay for Trump, indeed.

https://youtu.be/cfS6_CquKiQ

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:57am:

It pains me, literally at times which is why I took a week off from the forum not so long ago, that the medical and scientific response to COVID-19, especially in the US, has been so politicised. Politicised to the point of picking and choosing what facts are real just to suit the observer's opinions. It's no wonder the Climate Change issue has been made worse if anything, rather than addressed. If the US, for example, can't come together to solve a problem killing people in front of their eyes, I don't know what chance there is to stop a slowly creeping monster like Climate Change. #fightstupid

Americans have been long conditioned to mistrust their government when in reality there is little reason they should. Mistrust in the media is common place now too. And now it is science that can't be trusted. With these Big Three out of the way, America is ripe for authoritarianism.

Marla wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 1:43am:

Just found out as of  today the COVID-19 death count will go over the total number of US combat deaths in World War I - 116,708. Yay for Trump, indeed.

Some people just love statistics.

The Spanish Flu which is a more like comparison -

"In the U.S., about 28% of the population of 105 million became infected, and 500,000 to 850,000 died (0.48 to 0.81 percent of the population).[98][99][100] Native American tribes were particularly hard hit. In the Four Corners area, there were 3,293 registered deaths among Native Americans.[101] Entire Inuit and Alaskan Native village communities died in Alaska.[102] In Canada, 50,000 died.[103]"

Source- Wiki

For those who love statistics, you'll be pleased to know that so far the Red states, those who support Trump or have a Republican Governor are looking like they might avoid a 2nd wave!

This I assume will be the OAN and FOX News headline, but if you like the statistics and look a little closer, you'll find it's because their first wave is exploding in cases while all the other states who have taken to all the best practices, including wearing masks, social distancing and not attending Rallies (although the protests will likely see them in the time to come have an increase too), they've seen their peaks and are dropping in new cases, these red states are seeing more cases and no peak in sight yet.

So they may avoid a 2nd wave for now, but that's only because their 1st wave is still increasing.

But actually look at the stats, not the headlines.  I know the usual excuse will be "Oh but these states are doing more testing".  Look at the numbers.  In these states, compare their increased testing as a percentage to the increase in new cases.  The percentage of new cases far outweigh the increases in testing, and in Florida for example, some of their increase in cases are not accompanied by an increase in testing at all.

This means the simple throw away of "well we're doing more testing" isn't the cause.

It's no wonder Trump supporters have to sign a disclaimer to attend the rally.

I'm happy to go through the numbers with anyone, but I dare say those who will demand the numbers as if it will prove what I've said isn't true have no intention of actually looking at them and will end up just abusing me when they can't talk their way out of this, they're only going to troll and attack anyone who lives in reality, so the new me has decided not to waste my time on them.

But if anyone else wants to post the stats, I'm happy to go through them with you if you'd like :)

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 1:37pm:

This I assume will be the OAN and FOX News headline, but if you like the statistics and look a little closer, you'll find it's because their first wave is exploding in cases while all the other states who have taken to all the best practices, including wearing masks, social distancing and not attending Rallies (although the protests will likely see them in the time to come have an increase too), they've seen their peaks and are dropping in new cases, these red states are seeing more cases and no peak in sight yet.

perhaps you would like to give those stats. ;)

lee wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 7:12pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 1:37pm: This I assume will be the OAN and FOX News headline, but if you like the statistics and look a little closer, you'll find it's because their first wave is exploding in cases while all the other states who have taken to all the best practices, including wearing masks, social distancing and not attending Rallies (although the protests will likely see them in the time to come have an increase too), they've seen their peaks and are dropping in new cases, these red states are seeing more cases and no peak in sight yet. perhaps you would like to give those stats. ;)

Before I do petal, can I ask you, do you doubt these are true?

If so, what sort of evidence would you require to change your mind, change your opinion?

Nothing comes for free and if I'm going to likely waste my time on you, I'd like to set the terms of engagement lest you try to weasel your slimy way out on a semantic technicality as usual.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 7:24pm:

Before I do petal, can I ask you, do you doubt these are true?

You haven't provided anything "evidence" or otherwise. So you want me to prejudge your postings? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 7:24pm:

Nothing comes for free and if I'm going to likely waste my time on you, I'd like to set the terms of engagement lest you try to weasel your slimy way out on a semantic technicality as usual.

Just show the data petal. The dates that the data was collected so people can make an informed decision. Surely that is no too much to ask. Youtubes are not evidence. ;)

The FDA removes hydrochloroqine. -

Peter Horby, professor of emerging infectious diseases and global health at the University of Oxford, said they had informed the WHO, which had just restarted its hydroxychloroquine trials after pausing them because of the Lancet paper. That was an observational study – comparing patients in hospitals who happened to have been treated with the drug with others who had not.

“One of the key lessons we should learn historically is that making treatment decisions based on observational data is not the way forward,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/05/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-cure-covid-19-say-drug-trial-chiefs

That really is funny isn't it. Fancy not looking at the observational data.

lee wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 7:53pm:

The FDA removes hydrochloroqine. - Peter Horby, professor of emerging infectious diseases and global health at the University of Oxford, said they had informed the WHO, which had just restarted its hydroxychloroquine trials after pausing them because of the Lancet paper. That was an observational study – comparing patients in hospitals who happened to have been treated with the drug with others who had not. “One of the key lessons we should learn historically is that making treatment decisions based on observational data is not the way forward,” he said. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/05/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-cure-covid-19-say-drug-trial-chiefs That really is funny isn't it. Fancy not looking at the observational data.

The Guardian lee? That's the best you can do, lee? Did you read the reason why, lee? What the FDA did was formally revoke the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate AKA Hydroxybonercream 3000.

FDA's Chief Scientist Denise Hinton wrote that there was no evidence the drug sped recovery or increased survival rates among coronavirus patients, and in fact its use is associated with a statistically significant increase in cardiac risk for patients.

"FDA has concluded that, based on this new information and other information discussed in the attached memorandum, it is no longer reasonable to believe that oral formulations of HCQ and CQ may be effective in treating COVID-19, nor is it reasonable to believe that the known and potential benefits of these products outweigh their known and potential risks," she wrote.

The whole EUA authorization that appears to have been based on political rather than scientific considerations and will undoubtedly be the subject of House investigations for the foreseeable future. This is because ol' F A T T Y T admitted publicly that he was the one who forced the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) to issue the EUA, and also forced it to override the standard review process. So how's that for "observation," lee?
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000453654578/8e4e2b36fb40c77af6e250712fe362f5_400x400.jpeg

Say, Preparation H has been approved by the FDA for decades, lee. Who is the FDA to inject itself into its use as eye drops?? Do it and tell us your "observational" data, lee.

Here's the fact regarding HCQ. The FDA have now restricted even further the use of HCQ despite its record of preventing and treating Covid-19.

Clearly and once again Trump was right and Faustos and co are playing corporate games and politics with people lives.

Seriously America how can anyone vote for the Democrats that puts politics in front of peoples lives?

Their insanity have resulted in the deaths of 100,000 lives and this is who you want to vote for????

America because of its restriction have more than a 100 times the death rate of other nations.

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Richdude wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 12:29pm:

Here's the fact regarding HCQ. The FDA have now restricted even further the use of HCQ despite its record of preventing and treating Covid-19. Clearly and once again Trump was right and Faustos and co are playing corporate games and politics with people lives. Seriously America how can anyone vote for the Democrats that puts politics in front of peoples lives? Their insanity have resulted in the deaths of 100,000 lives and this is who you want to vote for???? America because of its restriction have more than a 100 times the death rate of other nations.

Are you still on this rubbish. And your graph proves squat

Plus its not correct,

https://www.tga.gov.au/alert/amendments-new-restrictions-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19

Marla wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 4:47am:

The Guardian lee? That's the best you can do, lee? Did you read the reason why, lee?

Poor Marla; doesn't understand quotes. It is actually what he said petal.


Marla wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 4:47am:

The whole EUA authorization that appears to have been based on political rather than scientific considerations and will undoubtedly be the subject of House investigations for the foreseeable future. This is because ol' F A T T Y T admitted publicly that he was the one who forced the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) to issue the EUA, and also forced it to override the standard review process. So how's that for "observation," lee?

But is it data petal ;)


Marla wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 4:47am:

Who is the FDA to inject itself into its use as eye drops??

Is that the best you could come up with?  Eyedrops? ::) :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 1:11pm:

Plus its not correct, https://www.tga.gov.au/alert/amendments-new-restrictions-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19

So now the TGA is the FDA? ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 2:08pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 1:11pm: Plus its not correct, https://www.tga.gov.au/alert/amendments-new-restrictions-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19 So now the TGA is the FDA? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Not sure what that has to do with my point of the diagram Richdude posted being incorrect

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Not sure what that has to do with my point of the diagram Richdude posted being incorrect

As ever you miss the point. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nothing there about a diagram. ;)

Also the latest update is May - 4 weeks ago. How would that marry up with the diagram.

lee wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 2:20pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 2:12pm: Not sure what that has to do with my point of the diagram Richdude posted being incorrect As ever you miss the point. ;D ;D ;D ;D Nothing there about a diagram. ;) Also the latest update is May - 4 weeks ago. How would that marry up with the diagram.

Well what does it say in the diagram that Australia did?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 2:47pm:

Well what does it say in the diagram that Australia did?

And what do you say? Any evidence that it was not used?

"Australian hydroxychloroquine trial to continue despite WHO ‘pause’ "

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/australian-hydroxychloroquine-trial-to-continue-de

Don't be vague - Ask for Haig. ;)

Remember the Mehra paper? Oh that's right it was retracted. ;)

Or earlier from The Garudian -

"Australian hydroxychloroquine trials continue despite studies showing no benefit to coronavirus patients "

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/australian-hydroxychloroquine-trials-continue-despite-studies-showing-no-benefit-to-coronavirus-patients

No evidence that it was used widely like the picture said.

CC deniers and HQ lovers great Venn diagram right there

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 4:48pm:

No evidence that it was used widely like the picture said.

You seem to be backtracking petal. ;)
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 4:48pm:

CC deniers and HQ lovers great Venn diagram right there

Who is the numpty who denies climate changes?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 1:10pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 12:29pm: Here's the fact regarding HCQ. The FDA have now restricted even further the use of HCQ despite its record of preventing and treating Covid-19. Clearly and once again Trump was right and Faustos and co are playing corporate games and politics with people lives. Seriously America how can anyone vote for the Democrats that puts politics in front of peoples lives? Their insanity have resulted in the deaths of 100,000 lives and this is who you want to vote for???? America because of its restriction have more than a 100 times the death rate of other nations. Are you still on this rubbish. And your graph proves squat

Its not a graph - nitwit! "Fact check" that. And I'm speaking to the adults who have a longer attention span.

The table displays the fact that America has more than  100 times the death per case rate than nations like India and Sri Lanka did. Why?

Because America restricted and demonized the use of HCQ. As a result a treatment that could have saved lives if given - was not.

Also Trump touted its use and as usual hes right. But because he did - he had to be wrong. The Dems/media/deep state don't care how people die as long as Trumps not re-elected. Why is this? This fanaticism goes way past political control. Goes way past politics and into high crimes. Could they be fearful of another term for reasons now unknown?

Could very well be!

I say the reason why its use has been curtailed is because it works. Reduces the public's fear of another outbreak - allowing the economy to recover and Trump to win.

Where dealing with very sick people here!

Richdude wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 11:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 1:10pm: Richdude wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 12:29pm: Here's the fact regarding HCQ. The FDA have now restricted even further the use of HCQ despite its record of preventing and treating Covid-19. Clearly and once again Trump was right and Faustos and co are playing corporate games and politics with people lives. Seriously America how can anyone vote for the Democrats that puts politics in front of peoples lives? Their insanity have resulted in the deaths of 100,000 lives and this is who you want to vote for???? America because of its restriction have more than a 100 times the death rate of other nations. Are you still on this rubbish. And your graph proves squat Its not a graph - nitwit! "Fact check" that. And I'm speaking to the adults who have a longer attention span. The table displays the fact that America has more than  100 times the death per case rate than nations like India and Sri Lanka did. Why? Because America restricted and demonized the use of HCQ. As a result a treatment that could have saved lives if given - was not. Also Trump touted its use and as usual hes right. But because he did - he had to be wrong. The Dems/media/deep state don't care how people die as long as Trumps not re-elected. Why is this? This fanaticism goes way past political control. Goes way past politics and into high crimes. Could they be fearful of another term for reasons now unknown? Could very well be! I say the reason why its use has been curtailed is because it works. Reduces the public's fear of another outbreak - allowing the economy to recover and Trump to win. Where dealing with very sick people here!

Do the stats actually show that it's because of a restriction of HCQ or is this just you trying to justify your opinion by cherry-picking information as usual?

And on top of that, those who don't like Trump want to hide the cure to kill the economy and hurt Trump?

Jesus get help... That's some next level derangment... TDS alert!

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 7:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 11:45pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 1:10pm: Richdude wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 12:29pm: Here's the fact regarding HCQ. The FDA have now restricted even further the use of HCQ despite its record of preventing and treating Covid-19. Clearly and once again Trump was right and Faustos and co are playing corporate games and politics with people lives. Seriously America how can anyone vote for the Democrats that puts politics in front of peoples lives? Their insanity have resulted in the deaths of 100,000 lives and this is who you want to vote for???? America because of its restriction have more than a 100 times the death rate of other nations. Are you still on this rubbish. And your graph proves squat Its not a graph - nitwit! "Fact check" that. And I'm speaking to the adults who have a longer attention span. The table displays the fact that America has more than  100 times the death per case rate than nations like India and Sri Lanka did. Why? Because America restricted and demonized the use of HCQ. As a result a treatment that could have saved lives if given - was not. Also Trump touted its use and as usual hes right. But because he did - he had to be wrong. The Dems/media/deep state don't care how people die as long as Trumps not re-elected. Why is this? This fanaticism goes way past political control. Goes way past politics and into high crimes. Could they be fearful of another term for reasons now unknown? Could very well be! I say the reason why its use has been curtailed is because it works. Reduces the public's fear of another outbreak - allowing the economy to recover and Trump to win. Where dealing with very sick people here! Do the stats actually show that it's because of a restriction of HCQ or is this just you trying to justify your opinion by cherry-picking information as usual? And on top of that, those who don't like Trump want to hide the cure to kill the economy and hurt Trump? Jesus get help... That's some next level derangment... TDS alert!

Ever been to India Sad? Hospitals sure aint like Americas. Standard of care is way lower yet they have 150 times greater success in curing covid 19.

And yes it could be other coincidental factors - I'll give you that. But the most obvious and most likely is the early use of an age old anti inflammatory - HCQ.

Politics among the ideologically driven insane religious cult known as communism know no boundaries in its pursuit of power.

Richdude wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 9:06am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 7:31am: Richdude wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 11:45pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 1:10pm: Richdude wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 12:29pm: Here's the fact regarding HCQ. The FDA have now restricted even further the use of HCQ despite its record of preventing and treating Covid-19. Clearly and once again Trump was right and Faustos and co are playing corporate games and politics with people lives. Seriously America how can anyone vote for the Democrats that puts politics in front of peoples lives? Their insanity have resulted in the deaths of 100,000 lives and this is who you want to vote for???? America because of its restriction have more than a 100 times the death rate of other nations. Are you still on this rubbish. And your graph proves squat Its not a graph - nitwit! "Fact check" that. And I'm speaking to the adults who have a longer attention span. The table displays the fact that America has more than  100 times the death per case rate than nations like India and Sri Lanka did. Why? Because America restricted and demonized the use of HCQ. As a result a treatment that could have saved lives if given - was not. Also Trump touted its use and as usual hes right. But because he did - he had to be wrong. The Dems/media/deep state don't care how people die as long as Trumps not re-elected. Why is this? This fanaticism goes way past political control. Goes way past politics and into high crimes. Could they be fearful of another term for reasons now unknown? Could very well be! I say the reason why its use has been curtailed is because it works. Reduces the public's fear of another outbreak - allowing the economy to recover and Trump to win. Where dealing with very sick people here! Do the stats actually show that it's because of a restriction of HCQ or is this just you trying to justify your opinion by cherry-picking information as usual? And on top of that, those who don't like Trump want to hide the cure to kill the economy and hurt Trump? Jesus get help... That's some next level derangment... TDS alert! Ever been to India Sad? Hospitals sure aint like Americas. Standard of care is way lower yet they have 150 times greater success in curing covid 19. And yes it could be other coincidental factors - I'll give you that. But the most obvious and most likely is the early use of an age old anti inflammatory - HCQ. Politics among the ideologically driven insane religious cult known as communism know no boundaries in its pursuit of power.

Actually I'd suggest the coincidental factors would be higher.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52435463


India has a relatively young population. We know COVID goes after the elderly, India has a high proportion of whats termed missing deaths (i.e. people die at home with no treatment and thus probably aren't counted in the statistics, Indians typiucally cremate their dead in the countryside and make it difficult to determine from funeral stats)


Basically there are few too many unknowns in the INdian experience before we poiint the finger at HCQ.

AiA wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 2:33am:

What could he be worried about?

Not sure.

COVID-19 miraculously disappeared in April.

Only 15 cases!

Marla wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 9:49am:

Only 15 cases!

Yes, and that will be close to zero in a couple of days.

Richdude wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 9:06am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 7:31am: Richdude wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 11:45pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 1:10pm: Richdude wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 12:29pm: Here's the fact regarding HCQ. The FDA have now restricted even further the use of HCQ despite its record of preventing and treating Covid-19. Clearly and once again Trump was right and Faustos and co are playing corporate games and politics with people lives. Seriously America how can anyone vote for the Democrats that puts politics in front of peoples lives? Their insanity have resulted in the deaths of 100,000 lives and this is who you want to vote for???? America because of its restriction have more than a 100 times the death rate of other nations. Are you still on this rubbish. And your graph proves squat Its not a graph - nitwit! "Fact check" that. And I'm speaking to the adults who have a longer attention span. The table displays the fact that America has more than  100 times the death per case rate than nations like India and Sri Lanka did. Why? Because America restricted and demonized the use of HCQ. As a result a treatment that could have saved lives if given - was not. Also Trump touted its use and as usual hes right. But because he did - he had to be wrong. The Dems/media/deep state don't care how people die as long as Trumps not re-elected. Why is this? This fanaticism goes way past political control. Goes way past politics and into high crimes. Could they be fearful of another term for reasons now unknown? Could very well be! I say the reason why its use has been curtailed is because it works. Reduces the public's fear of another outbreak - allowing the economy to recover and Trump to win. Where dealing with very sick people here! Do the stats actually show that it's because of a restriction of HCQ or is this just you trying to justify your opinion by cherry-picking information as usual? And on top of that, those who don't like Trump want to hide the cure to kill the economy and hurt Trump? Jesus get help... That's some next level derangment... TDS alert! Ever been to India Sad? Hospitals sure aint like Americas. Standard of care is way lower yet they have 150 times greater success in curing covid 19. And yes it could be other coincidental factors - I'll give you that. But the most obvious and most likely is the early use of an age old anti inflammatory - HCQ. Politics among the ideologically driven insane religious cult known as communism know no boundaries in its pursuit of power.

But the data doesn't say that difference is because of HCQ.  You're just assuming it does because it supports your opinion and proves Trump right.

Shaping reality to create a safe space for yourself as usual.

I'll wait for the medical experts rather than the opinion of conspiracy tards.

Marla wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:53am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 10:46am: The point from Rich was, it's ok if Trump holds the rallies because it will help achieve herd immunity. If that is the defence then we need to analyse what herd immunity means without a vaccine. If you go by the numbers today, that's 17 million dead on the high end, realistically closer to 5 or 6 million. Is it a bit of a stretch? The notion that herd immunity is the solution to the virus without a vaccine? Yes.  That means the virus won, it infected 90-95% of the population and killed all it was going to.  That also means 300+ million more chances for a mutation and a new strain and for this to start all over again. Trying to say it's ok for Trump to hold his rallies with no social distancing because it will help lead to herd immunity is absurd. The numbers don't lie. And the cherry on top being the virus is becoming less lethal and the death rate dropping, the virus didn't change its mind, it's the social distancing, lockdowns and a medical system able to cope that is doing this.  A surge in infection due to the protests, marches or Trump rallies will undo all of that. #fightstupid The disastrous toll of the COVID-19 pandemic in Ol' F A T T Y's racist America which has five times more cases than any other country, is directly related to the fact that ol' F A T T Y himself  failed to conduct any widespread testing of its population for months. Regardless of whether these dumbass MAGA tards publicly embrace “herd immunity” or not, the reality is that no state in America has a valid plan to prevent the widespread infection of its population with COVID-19. There will be without question a major resurgence of the disease, whether in the near term, during the next flu season or both.

What do you care about the deaths of thousands?

You support the most deadly cult ever - communism!

Communism murdered more people by their rulers than all wars did in the the 20th century. By their own Government! A reason why statues and history has to be buried.

Its a religion but has no spirituality - it's a movement for haters - losers! The end product of a too liberal society! Blame anyone but yourself! AND you Dead End are and always will be a loser.

Marla wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 11:00am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 10:57am: It's no wonder the Climate Change issue has been made worse if anything, rather than addressed. COVID-19 will be nothing in terms of human suffering and death when climate change really kicks in.

The only thing kicking in will be useless POS like you off the sidewalk!

Lol Rich, desperate as ever.

There are so many real-world instances of the things you believing being totally untrue.

Like the huge spikes in COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations coming from states that opened back up early.  There is a lag of a couple of weeks before that spike will show in the death count, but always I hope that it doesn't.

Tulsa is one of those areas.  Oklahoma is just another one of those red states to add to the list of people following Trump's example of dealing with COVID-19, not following social distancing, not wearing masks and reopening early without a proper framework in place and they're seeing the same results as most of the others.

And this is where he's going to hold his rally.  I would be very worried if I were the Tulsa leadership.

But it's a deep state plot innit Rich?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 1:29pm:

Like the huge spikes in COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations coming from states that opened back up early.  There is a lag of a couple of weeks before that spike will show in the death count, but always I hope that it doesn't.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 1:37pm:

So they may avoid a 2nd wave for now, but that's only because their 1st wave is still increasing.

"Can we please stop talking about a second wave of COVID-19"

"The idea of a second wave stems from the flawed comparison with the seasonality of the flu virus. "

https://theconversation.com/can-we-please-stop-talking-about-a-second-wave-of-covid-19-140140
;)

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 1:29pm:

Lol Rich, desperate as ever. There are so many real-world instances of the things you believing being totally untrue. Like the huge spikes in COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations coming from states that opened back up early.  There is a lag of a couple of weeks before that spike will show in the death count, but always I hope that it doesn't. Tulsa is one of those areas.  Oklahoma is just another one of those red states to add to the list of people following Trump's example of dealing with COVID-19, not following social distancing, not wearing masks and reopening early without a proper framework in place and they're seeing the same results as most of the others. And this is where he's going to hold his rally.  I would be very worried if I were the Tulsa leadership. But it's a deep state plot innit Rich?

Whether or not a second wave is coming depends primarily on if its usefulness.

A narrative is created and everything you believe follows.

Ever heard of the Hegelian dialect? Problem, reaction and solution?

We've just had millions on the streets protesting and rioting supported by the media. Trump rally - oh no - bad idea.

Richdude wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 10:20pm:

Whether or not a second wave is coming depends primarily on if its usefulness.

Because the transmission only happens if it's supported by your conspiracy theory?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 11:38pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 10:20pm: Whether or not a second wave is coming depends primarily on if its usefulness. Because the transmission only happens if it's supported by your conspiracy theory?

The Covid-19 tests are 50% reliable.

So I will explain this to you. A 50% reliability means a 50% chance of having the virus or not. Totally useless!

There are hundreds of trillions of viruses in your body - even corona viruses - in a healthy body.

Sad, of course will reply "thats a conspiracy theory"

2 or more people planning something in the future - never happens - he says.

No! What we have seen is something else going on. This virus was over hyped and the reaction was hysterical. Used perhaps as a cover for a currency crash. The Fed is printing trillions almost monthly - now!

Richdude wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 12:55am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 11:38pm: Richdude wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 10:20pm: Whether or not a second wave is coming depends primarily on if its usefulness. Because the transmission only happens if it's supported by your conspiracy theory? The Covid-19 tests are 50% reliable. So I will explain this to you. A 50% reliability means a 50% chance of having the virus or not. Totally useless! There are hundreds of trillions of viruses in your body - even corona viruses - in a healthy body. Sad, of course will reply "thats a conspiracy theory" 2 or more people planning something in the future - never happens - he says. No! What we have seen is something else going on. This virus was over hyped and the reaction was hysterical. Used perhaps as a cover for a currency crash. The Fed is printing trillions almost monthly - now!

Which tests are we talking about here, Trump's ones that he insisted the US make themselves in the early stages of trying to mitigate the virus before he gave up and took actions to make it spread further, especially throughout his support base?

Do you have any evidence to support the claim or is it just a conspiracy theory?  What do you expect it to be called? You make an unfounded claim counter to the available evidence and provide none of you own?

And please tell me you understand the difference between "corona viruses" and COVID-19?

The over-hyped reaction you keep talking about is sadly looking like it will debunk itself for you.  The states that opened early, they're seeing spikes in infection rates that have outmatched any increases in testing.  This means the virus is spreading and that growth factor is actually increasing, not simply that more tests are being done as certain outlets with an clear agenda to push are saying.  There is a lag of up to 20 days before this is reflected in hospitalisations and following that, deaths.

I hope you're proved right, I hope it has been over-hyped, but all signs are pointing to in the US at least, the worst is yet to come, and it's all due to following Trump's playbook.

Honesty, if you have a genuine bone in your body can you answer this, what would it take for you to change your mind about the virus being overhyped?  Is there like a death or infection count, some piece of evidence?  What would it take?

Richdude wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 10:20pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 1:29pm: Lol Rich, desperate as ever. There are so many real-world instances of the things you believing being totally untrue. Like the huge spikes in COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations coming from states that opened back up early.  There is a lag of a couple of weeks before that spike will show in the death count, but always I hope that it doesn't. Tulsa is one of those areas.  Oklahoma is just another one of those red states to add to the list of people following Trump's example of dealing with COVID-19, not following social distancing, not wearing masks and reopening early without a proper framework in place and they're seeing the same results as most of the others. And this is where he's going to hold his rally.  I would be very worried if I were the Tulsa leadership. But it's a deep state plot innit Rich? Whether or not a second wave is coming depends primarily on if its usefulness. A narrative is created and everything you believe follows. Ever heard of the Hegelian dialect? Problem, reaction and solution? We've just had millions on the streets protesting and rioting supported by the media. Trump rally - oh no - bad idea.

How did the media support them?

Richdude wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 10:20pm:

Whether or not a second wave is coming depends primarily on if its usefulness.

Um...what? Can you please rephrase that in English, Putin?


Richdude wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 10:20pm:

A narrative is created and everything you believe follows.

Oh, you must mean the narrative of science, right, dough boy? Seems the narrtive(s) of Arizona, California, Florida and Texas are among the worst affected COVID-19 shitholes. Arizona has now recorded 2,392 cases and 25 deaths, while it saw 1,827 new cases and 20 deaths yesterday. California suffered a cumulative 7,266 cases and 163 deaths over those days. There were 2,783 cases and 55 deaths in Florida on Tuesday, and 2,610 cases and 25 deaths in the state on Wednesday.

Oh, and let's not forget my all-time fav state Texuuuus  which has seen some of the largest outbreaks since the reopening began: 7,658 new cases and 88 new deaths in the past 48 hours.

 
Richdude wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 10:20pm:

Ever heard of the Hegelian dialect? Problem, reaction and solution?

Ever heard of the you're a dumbass dialect? Troll, regurgitate some right wing blog nonsense, troll.

 
Richdude wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 10:20pm:

We've just had millions on the streets protesting and rioting supported by the media. Trump rally - oh no - bad idea.

Big difference in the rate of infection between outdoor and indoor gatherings. Most if not all protestors were wearing mask, MAGA tards like you only wear their bigotry and racism

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 9:39am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 10:20pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 1:29pm: Lol Rich, desperate as ever. There are so many real-world instances of the things you believing being totally untrue. Like the huge spikes in COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations coming from states that opened back up early.  There is a lag of a couple of weeks before that spike will show in the death count, but always I hope that it doesn't. Tulsa is one of those areas.  Oklahoma is just another one of those red states to add to the list of people following Trump's example of dealing with COVID-19, not following social distancing, not wearing masks and reopening early without a proper framework in place and they're seeing the same results as most of the others. And this is where he's going to hold his rally.  I would be very worried if I were the Tulsa leadership. But it's a deep state plot innit Rich? Whether or not a second wave is coming depends primarily on if its usefulness. A narrative is created and everything you believe follows. Ever heard of the Hegelian dialect? Problem, reaction and solution? We've just had millions on the streets protesting and rioting supported by the media. Trump rally - oh no - bad idea. How did the media support them?

Those that wanted to go out and protest so they could go back to work - y'know - earn a living. Heard of that Greg? The media screamed - "your putting lives in danger - killer". Now with the rioters "well they're just expressing their democratic rights" - applause, applause! Thats the narrative in this instance and its fake.

Ever watch a cat react to a flashlight spot on a wall. The cat is hypnotized chasing that moving spot. The cat is the public - never does the cat wonder where the light is coming from or who is controlling the flashlight. Dead One and Sad will tell you that only a "conspiracy theorist" would question that. LOL!

The public is constantly fed new crisis's for them to focus on. And you Greg just like the cat spend your life chasing one silly distraction after another. But be comforted that you have 25 million and 330 million Ozies and Yanks respectively are doing the same.

Then someone like Trump comes along and attempts to blow the whistle - some hear because something tells them this is fake and some want to continue to watch the moving spot. Dead End, Sad, Skippy and all are spot watches.

As Ned Kelly said "such is life"!

And don't forget its all Trump's fault.

Richdude wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 12:00pm:

Those that wanted to go out and protest so they could go back to work - y'know - earn a living. Heard of that Greg? The media screamed - "your putting lives in danger - killer". Now with the rioters "well they're just expressing their democratic rights" - applause, applause! Thats the narrative in this instance and its fake.

did the media actually scream those things? Or did the media report what on what others were screaming ?

afterall, the media is there to report  ....you did know that right?

Go to the beach, Bitch Rude

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e4a5f7df5224845d542bb90df32d6a2cf3e66374b93a54cb148183f096f07e9.jpg

Richdude wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 12:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19th, 2020 at 9:39am: Richdude wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 10:20pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 1:29pm: Lol Rich, desperate as ever. There are so many real-world instances of the things you believing being totally untrue. Like the huge spikes in COVID-19 cases and hospitalisations coming from states that opened back up early.  There is a lag of a couple of weeks before that spike will show in the death count, but always I hope that it doesn't. Tulsa is one of those areas.  Oklahoma is just another one of those red states to add to the list of people following Trump's example of dealing with COVID-19, not following social distancing, not wearing masks and reopening early without a proper framework in place and they're seeing the same results as most of the others. And this is where he's going to hold his rally.  I would be very worried if I were the Tulsa leadership. But it's a deep state plot innit Rich? Whether or not a second wave is coming depends primarily on if its usefulness. A narrative is created and everything you believe follows. Ever heard of the Hegelian dialect? Problem, reaction and solution? We've just had millions on the streets protesting and rioting supported by the media. Trump rally - oh no - bad idea. How did the media support them? Those that wanted to go out and protest so they could go back to work - y'know - earn a living. Heard of that Greg? The media screamed - "your putting lives in danger - killer". Now with the rioters "well they're just expressing their democratic rights" - applause, applause! Thats the narrative in this instance and its fake. Ever watch a cat react to a flashlight spot on a wall. The cat is hypnotized chasing that moving spot. The cat is the public - never does the cat wonder where the light is coming from or who is controlling the flashlight. Dead One and Sad will tell you that only a "conspiracy theorist" would question that. LOL! The public is constantly fed new crisis's for them to focus on. And you Greg just like the cat spend your life chasing one silly distraction after another. But be comforted that you have 25 million and 330 million Ozies and Yanks respectively are doing the same. Then someone like Trump comes along and attempts to blow the whistle - some hear because something tells them this is fake and some want to continue to watch the moving spot. Dead End, Sad, Skippy and all are spot watches. As Ned Kelly said "such is life"! And don't forget its all Trump's fault.

You didn't answer my question.

How did the media support them?

Marla wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 12:15pm:

Go to the beach, Bitch Rude https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e4a5f7df5224845d542bb90df32d6a2cf3e66374b93a54cb148183f096f07e9.jpg

Marla/Dead One sees another spot from another flashlight on the wall and thinks how clever/sophisticated am I?

Do you realize the damage you're doing to your cult of hate - communism?

Tell me The Dead One - you're cult killed 100 million last century. Do you expect to do better this century?

Would a billion suffice or maybe (as with the GA guidestones) - 6 billion? Eh?

https://i.redd.it/zy6705dapr551.jpg

John Smith wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 12:03pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 19th, 2020 at 12:00pm: Those that wanted to go out and protest so they could go back to work - y'know - earn a living. Heard of that Greg? The media screamed - "your putting lives in danger - killer". Now with the rioters "well they're just expressing their democratic rights" - applause, applause! Thats the narrative in this instance and its fake. did the media actually scream those things? Or did the media report what on what others were screaming ? afterall, the media is there to report  ....you did know that right?

You're a spot watcher John and yes - never heard of the phrase news "headline screams". And no - in this age media does not report so much as shape public opinion.

You're mesmerized by the moving spot! This is a new era of awakening and most are beginning to notice. Trump accelerated the change by his "fake news" and "enemy of the people" comments.

The thoughts you think you think are not yours. Furthermore..... I'm just wasting my time.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/541c37e2a67865e69dd329d08e0d44114d4fcb460514d98475551a4b7bc1b1d0.jpg

The only saving grace about this "Super Spreader" event that was his rally is that it had such a pathetic turn out.

Thank goodness that Trump on a failure streak and the rally was just a part of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQHEfa1amv8


Trump out of the copter reminded me of all the sad walks out of Arrested Development

Richdude wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 10:28pm:

You're a spot watcher John and yes - never heard of the phrase news "headline screams". And no - in this age media does not report so much as shape public opinion. You're mesmerized by the moving spot! This is a new era of awakening and most are beginning to notice. Trump accelerated the change by his "fake news" and "enemy of the people" comments. The thoughts you think you think are not yours. Furthermore..... I'm just wasting my time.

so you don't want to answer ehh ... why is that do you think?

https://i.imgur.com/tPwjLew.jpg

No ramps were descended in the making of this film.

Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 11:37pm:

https://i.imgur.com/tPwjLew.jpg No ramps were descended in the making of this film.

The only real morons are those who think Trump is a moron - the rest of the cult of hate are in fear of him.

Richdude wrote on Jun 24^th, 2020 at 12:32am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 11:37pm: https://i.imgur.com/tPwjLew.jpg No ramps were descended in the making of this film. The only real morons are those who think Trump is a moron - the rest of the cult of hate are in fear of him.

People are right to be scared of Trump.  He has no platform other than what is best for him and has shown he's rocked to his core and acts very unhinged if his ego is attacked.

Right now he's in that very state.

Richdude wrote on Jun 24^th, 2020 at 12:32am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 11:37pm: https://i.imgur.com/tPwjLew.jpg No ramps were descended in the making of this film. The only real morons are those who think Trump is a moron - the rest of the cult of hate are in fear of him.

"think"?

Oh, we know.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 24^th, 2020 at 8:05am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 24th, 2020 at 12:32am: Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 11:37pm: https://i.imgur.com/tPwjLew.jpg No ramps were descended in the making of this film. The only real morons are those who think Trump is a moron - the rest of the cult of hate are in fear of him. People are right to be scared of Trump.  He has no platform other than what is best for him and has shown he's rocked to his core and acts very unhinged if his ego is attacked. Right now he's in that very state.

Nope!

You don't understand anything!

Look Sad I'll walk you through your confusion!

The President Donald Trump is a man who wants for nothing - for himself.

So what does that tell you?

It means he cannot be bought!

And that is obviously a big problem but for whom?

Its a big problem for those that are used to using their  economic muscle and other inducements to get what they want.

The WH is no longer up for sale!

Why do you support corruption?

Richdude wrote on Jun 25^th, 2020 at 2:06am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 24th, 2020 at 8:05am: Richdude wrote on Jun 24th, 2020 at 12:32am: Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 11:37pm: https://i.imgur.com/tPwjLew.jpg No ramps were descended in the making of this film. The only real morons are those who think Trump is a moron - the rest of the cult of hate are in fear of him. People are right to be scared of Trump.  He has no platform other than what is best for him and has shown he's rocked to his core and acts very unhinged if his ego is attacked. Right now he's in that very state. Nope! You don't understand anything! Look Sad I'll walk you through your confusion! The President Donald Trump is a man who wants for nothing - for himself. So what does that tell you?

That you're a deluded fool.


Quote:

It means he cannot be bought!

So his campaign is entirely self funded then?  He doesn't take billionaire donations?

Got news for you pal...


Quote:

And that is obviously a big problem but for whom? Its a big problem for those that are used to using their  economic muscle and other inducements to get what they want. The WH is no longer up for sale! Why do you support corruption?

I oppose Trump friend, I don't support corruption.

So we really have to play this game again?

He's how it will play out, you'll demand I post proof for me doubting YOUR claims, of which you will provide no proof of, I'll still do it anyway, then you'll turn to some sort of conspiracy to explain why the facts I've posted are irrelevant, don't apply or some deep state plot, you'll accuse of me being a paid shill, claim to be the victim of trolling or abuse, try to bury the humiliating posts of you being proven wrong and when all else fails, you'll abandon the thread and we'll do all this again in another one...

It's the same thing every time...

Do you have no limit to how much humiliation you can take?

It's embarrassing, where's your self respect?

Oh right, Trump supporter...  You don't have any.

The WH is not for sale because it's already been bought.

Richdude wrote on Jun 25^th, 2020 at 2:06am:

The President Donald Trump is a man who wants for nothing - for himself. So what does that tell you?

that you really are deluded

Richdude wrote on Jun 25^th, 2020 at 2:06am:

The President Donald Trump is a man who wants for nothing - for himself.

Except love.

He's never been loved, by anyone.

His parents didn't love him, none of his wives loved him, and none of his children love him.

The only women that will have sex with him are those he pays or allegedly forces.

No woman has ever made love to him.

He's lived a very sad, loveless life and he's tried to fill the hole with material possessions.

He'll die (soon) a very sad, lonely, unloved man.

It's quite sad, actually.