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Title: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Sprintcyclist on May 19th, 2020 at 4:35pm Quote:
https://www.couriermail.com.au/coronavirus/queensland-records-zero-new-cases-of-coronavirus/news-story/c7afe69c42e68c3b41221519e9c0be8d |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 19th, 2020 at 4:46pm
When is someone going to question the competence of the so called experts who have given the politicians in this country this information...…
Politicians trot out this modelling crap ad nauseam to justify their actions...yet when the modelling is wrong...they simply say...well this is what it could have been...so we had to do what we did..... Its all crap..... And the dumbed down Australian public swallow it every time... We had a weak strain...we are an island.... The politicians will pat themselves on the back forever and a day.... Yet, they have ruined the economy and placed hundreds of thousands on the dole queue... ALL because of DEFECTIVE academic modelling..... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Sprintcyclist on May 19th, 2020 at 4:59pm
I assume that modelling was a 'worst case' scenario.
ie - if no restrictions had been applied. Am just guessing here. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Aussie on May 19th, 2020 at 5:00pm billy the kid wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 4:46pm:
Really? What was the exact degree of weakness, and where were those parts of the Planet which had a different degree of weakness and to what extent was that difference, precisely? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 19th, 2020 at 5:12pm
I dont know...Im not an epidemiologist...maybe you should ask our "experts"...
It was reported by the media whores that there were several strains of varying strength circling the globe and it was suggested that Australia may have had a weaker strain.... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Aussie on May 19th, 2020 at 5:18pm billy the kid wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 5:12pm:
Okay. Link? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 19th, 2020 at 5:21pm
Are you being pedantic or just taking the piss.....??
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Yadda on May 19th, 2020 at 5:22pm "We must listen to what the science says." Coz scientists are always truthful and are always trustworthy, .....AND CORRECT. .....and scientists never 'bend' their data to suit their own [often, career] agendas. Just like politicians, 'unbiased' political pollsters, 'unbiased' professional journalists, and used car salesmen. WWW search.... science fraud "About 317,000,000 results" According to the projections, supported by health scientists, a couple of months ago it was suggested, that Australia would likely suffer 150,000 deaths to COVID-19 You do remember that projection, don't you ? Please excuse me, but no matter what some of you may believe, i have no confidence in real faerie tales. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by cods on May 19th, 2020 at 5:26pm Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 5:18pm:
suddenly he is believing what is printed in the media... ::) ::) a weaker strain!!! is that the same as a weaker strain of Cholera .. or HIV.... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 19th, 2020 at 5:37pm
"There could be as many as 30 different strains of coronavirus, a study of patients in China has claimed.
Zhejiang University scientists studied a small number of patients with the disease and uncovered tens of mutations - 19 of which had never been seen before. Some mutations boosted the virus' ability to invade cells in the body, others helped the disease multiply more rapidly. The most deadly strains were genetically similar to the ones that spread in Europe and in New York, reported the South China Morning Post. Meanwhile, the weaker strains were similar to those found circulating within other parts of the US, such as Washington State. The authors say their findings - based on just 11 patients - are the first to show the mutation could affect the severity of illness. They believe he previously unreported mutations could be the reason behind Europe and New Yorks devastating death tolls. It is still unclear why the aggressive strain of Covid19 spread to Europe and the more mild version hit large swathes of the US" Taken from a link which this forum does not allow me to post yet. Its a DailyMailUK link which I cant even cut and paste due to the rules...dated today... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Aussie on May 19th, 2020 at 6:27pm billy the kid wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 5:21pm:
Neither. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by chimera on May 19th, 2020 at 6:56pm
"Preliminary data from the Moscow civil registry office showed almost 20% more fatalities in April 2020 than the average April mortality over the past decade. The data, first published by The Moscow Times on Sunday, suggests that the city’s excess deaths may be linked to coronavirus. "
Russia has 146m. , av life span 72 years so 2m. die yearly or 160,000 month. 20% is 30,000 for April so maybe 45,000 total from covid. Russia reports 3000 deaths. US has 92,000 deaths so the 45,000 is likely to be the true amount. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Sprintcyclist on May 19th, 2020 at 7:09pm chimera wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 6:56pm:
Yes, it is scary. those are not the final figures either |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 19th, 2020 at 7:41pm
Aussie see reply #9 above
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Captain Caveman on May 19th, 2020 at 8:03pm billy the kid wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 4:46pm:
This.^^^ Wake up people. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Sprintcyclist on May 19th, 2020 at 8:27pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
If we had similar death rate to much of Europe we would have 10,000 dead and still counting. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 10:42am
All political authority in rulers is, in the end, derived from the ruled.
When such power is withdrawn, such political authority is revealed to be impotent.....Etienne de la Boetie…. Of course it helps if the population is mainly brainwashed dumbarses like Australians who swallow everything they are fed by the grubberments and their hirelings...the media... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by cods on May 20th, 2020 at 11:03am billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 10:42am:
no one is asking or expecting you to follow the rules... there are of course consequences if you dont.. one of them being catching one of these viruses .. which you do not believe in......not sure what you would do in that case....couldnt very well ask a hospital for help could you???..... have you been obeying the rules... or flouting them? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 11:46am
I have been standing behind the lines in the supermarket
like a good little slave. I even stayed at home for two weeks and didn't go out...like a good little slave... I regularly wash my hands, probably six times a day, which includes toilet visits. I cover my mouth when I cough. But seriously, Ive been doing this since I started school. This is simple commonsense hygiene but we are being brainwashed into believing that the sky is going to fall in if we don't adhere to tyrannical rules. I would hate to live in Sydney and attempt to abide by all these social distancing rules...sit on a green dot on the train...ride a bike to work..dont go somewhere if theres more than 10 people... Anyway....Im me....you are you.... I doubt everything the government tells me... Why..because I learnt at a very young age to never trust politicians....long story.... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by greggerypeccary on May 20th, 2020 at 11:47am billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 11:46am:
So do I. What about medical professionals, though? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 12:14pm
On the one side of the coin we have medical "experts" such as Dr Jeannette Young in Qld, who wont allow two vintage planes to fly overhead on Anzac Day due to concerns about the virus.
AND on the other hand we have the economic "experts" who advise the politicians. The politicians then listen to both sides, and make their decision, which they tell us is based on the advice of the medical experts...who by the way "probably" were influenced by the "modelling experts" who could have been economic "experts" (or simply academic experts) or medical "experts" AND today I read an article from an American biologist which suggests that "loud talking" and singing will spread the virus further....the mind boggles... The only question I ask is.... Which experts are our "expert" politicians listening to... AND then when our politicians make mistakes, which by the way, they conceal with jibberish, who do we blame.... The politicians....or the "experts".... ….like Dr Young...... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 12:23pm
She CMO, so yes expert
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 12:26pm
Why then does she order NRL players to have flu shots to play in Qld, yet other visiters to Qld are not stopped at the border
and turned away if they haven't had a flu shot...… This is the same CMO who is telling us that there could be tens of thousands of infections caused by one nurse in a Townsville Nursing Home.... I see...… Is that based on modelling...(insert here fit of laughter) or an "expert" opinion..... Phonecalls and footlockers....that's all they've got...... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 12:28pm billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 12:26pm:
I love all this random statement with no evidence. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 12:34pm
Well its common knowledge up here on the GC amigo....
Do some googling...you might learn something..... BTW...while youre at it...let me know how someone in Victoria can catch the virus playing golf....was that "expert" medical advice or just more bullshit tyranny and incompetence.... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 12:36pm billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 12:26pm:
I think you're confusing the CMO with the NRL |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 12:36pm billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 12:34pm:
Easy by playing in groups. Infecting the pro shop staff. And you're from the GC? Seems fair. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 12:38pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 12:36pm:
oyyy.... careful >:( :D |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 12:42pm
No...Young said that NRL players could not play in Qld unless they had flu shots...she stated that they could play if they had
a medical waiver, but would not be allowed to play if they refused to have a flu shot based on philosophical reasons. The NRL originally demanded that all players have a flu shot, then when Cartwright and others objected Young stepped in and demanded that they all have flu shots if they WANTED TO PLAY IN QLD.... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 12:44pm
Doesnt social distancing on golf courses/pro shops allow
golf to be played.... BTW other states allowed it...but would not allow players to share a golf cart...which obviously contravenes social distancing….therefore the CMO in Victoria as an "expert" is out of step with other states... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 12:46pm billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 12:44pm:
Perhaps, but it may have also been a case of them saying compared to cycling, running etc. Its not exercise so is it essential? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 12:47pm billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 12:42pm:
Seems reasonable. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 12:48pm John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 12:38pm:
Lol, its just one of those places I've been whereby residents opinion of it is far greater than what it actually is like. The Shire in Sydney is another example. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 12:55pm
BH..youre avoiding the issue which GP raised...
that is.. he raised a question about medical professionals and their advice.... Perhaps you are simply conceding that their advice is not so much "expert" but simply guesswork. You cant get the virus playing golf. BTW I have spoken to Police at the roadblock in Coolangatta…. They assure me that no-one is turned back if they haven't had a flu shot. They also agreed that it was quite laughable for Young to insist on all NRL players having flu shots if they wanted to play in Qld…. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 12:58pm
You cant get the virus playing golf.
Is there anything in particular about golf that makes you immune? My thinking is it wasn't considered essential like other exercise so can it. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 1:01pm
Sounds like youre conceding...
Why wasnt it banned by all state CMO's |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 1:04pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 12:48pm:
I think you're confusing surfers with the GC in general. Most GC residents avoid surfers. That's for tourists. I think i went to surfers about 3 times last year. Each time was when council had an event on. Otherwise, I avoid it. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Captain Nemo on May 20th, 2020 at 1:07pm |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 1:11pm
Im at Kirra...I wouldnt go to Surfers if you paid me...
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 1:30pm John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
BIt of column A bit of column B |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 1:31pm billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 1:01pm:
Each state decided what was appropriate for them, maybe the other states didn't go far enough |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 2:00pm
Are you defending Andrews and his CMO?
It sounds like you are defending Andrews. Youre not serious are you. Each state has an expert CMO. Why didnt Victoria close its borders. The expert advice given by Qld CMO was to close Qld borders. Victoria is far more heavily populated than Qld, and adjoins NSW, another heavily populated state. Interstate travel between Victoria and NSW Id imagine, would be far greater, or at least equivalent to NSW/Qld travel. Why dont you admit that Andrews is simply a tyrrant and that all the CMOs are just guessing. We still dont know who was responsible for the Ruby Princess debacle.... Was it NSW Health...was it the NSW CMO.... In Qld we have planes which cant fly on Anzac Day due to a ruling by the CMO In Victoria, they cant play golf because of a ruling by the CMO And in NSW we have the Ruby Princess debacle where 2700 passengers are allowed to disembark.... By the NSW CMO????????....maybe.... And we are debating their competence.... Gimme a break......!!!! |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 3:15pm billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 2:00pm:
This was a novel situation which people weren't going to get 100% right. My argument would be based on how low our relative death and infection rates are compared to other similar countries, our respective state and federal governments have done an extremely good job. Their competence shouldn't be called into question |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by aquascoot on May 20th, 2020 at 3:23pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 3:15pm:
i'll call it into question. we have spot fires starting all over the place as was exactly to be expected. the correct scenario was to lock down to the extent that the hospitals werent overwhelmed. unfortunately our politicians and health officers (all of whom have not missed a dollar earnt or a day at work) clamped down way way too hard. we have 5500 ventilators, 5495 gathering dust. we should ease off and keep easing off till those ventilators are occupied because , guess what, this virus is going nowehre, many 100's of thousands of people are destined to get it , so why the delay. many 100's of 1000s of people get seasonal flu which is less contagious and which we have a somewhat effective vaccine for. the idea we can extinguish this is a lie. we need to man up and get back to work and shut down a bit if and only if our hospitals cant cope. i might add, in america, their hospitals are coping quite nicely |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by greggerypeccary on May 20th, 2020 at 3:53pm aquascoot wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 3:23pm:
Well yes. That's because most Americans - thanks to Trump - can't afford to go to one. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 4:08pm aquascoot wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 3:23pm:
Who said that? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by The_Barnacle on May 20th, 2020 at 4:18pm The_Barnacle wrote on May 13th, 2020 at 4:19pm:
I still haven't got a response to this |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 4:24pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 4:08pm:
he might be right ... thanks to trumps strategy, there are now 92 000 less potential patients to clog up the system :D |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by aquascoot on May 20th, 2020 at 4:38pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 4:08pm:
new york, the epicentre, sent the hospital ship from the navy home. they didnt need it |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 4:40pm aquascoot wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 4:38pm:
It was more because it wasn't doing anything in terms of actually helping. Also the ship wasn't treating covid cases. Clearlyalthought stretched not stretched enough to need something pointless. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 4:44pm aquascoot wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 4:38pm:
If hosptails were coping, why the need for temporary hospitals? The hospital ship was turned back because by the time it arrived NY had already peaked. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200326/nyc-hospitals-struggle-with-coronavirus-surge |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Sprintcyclist on May 21st, 2020 at 12:58am |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by SadKangaroo on May 21st, 2020 at 7:35am Yadda wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 5:22pm:
Sadly, the proof that the action we've taken has worked is that moron shitforbrains like yourself will doubt they were worth it and claim the projections were wrong. It's sad that it would require all those death to come to fruition for you to be happy, and even then you'd find something to complain about. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Culture Warrior on May 21st, 2020 at 9:34am
poo modelling used. Even when it became apparent Aus wasn't having the deaths seen in Europe, the premiers made harsher restrictions. Way over the top. İ hope someone sues Palachook.
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by SadKangaroo on May 21st, 2020 at 9:47am Sprintcyclist wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 4:59pm:
That has been the case for much of the modelling, but it's like election polling and predictions. The modelling is probability-based. Those who are questioning it and the mouth breathers fighting every action taken to mitigate the spread of the virus deal in absolutes and can't handle the mathematical notion of probabilities. They're the same people who said everyone got it wrong when it came to the US election when most of the major pundits gave Trump a reasonable probability of winning, they just don't understand, or choose not to as it suites their narrative to claim the predictions were wrong, how the whole process works. It's the same thing with COVID-19. They are just itching to call all the predictions and the experts wrong so all the work that has gone into avoiding the worse case scenarios is undone because they don't want to show weakness and wear a mask or they're angry they can't go to their Asian massage parlour or spend hours away from their mouthy wives at the pub. It's not like you're being conscripted to go to war, you're being asked to social distance, wash your hands, treat surfaces as if they're raw chicken and stay at home. Such whiney little bitches. They're probably part of the alpha brigade too... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by SadKangaroo on May 21st, 2020 at 9:50am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 9:34am:
Don't kid yourself, we've been lucky. And I hope it stays that way. If the second wave hits in historical fashion we're not in for a good time. Hopefully, those fighting every possible action taken by the experts don't ruin it for the rest of us. It's tempting to want them to be the ones to get sick and die, but they'll spread it more than anyone else, so while I hope that we don't have a second wave, annoyingly I hope that it's not those who are being the absolute worst members of our community who get it, for the sake of the rest of us. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Gnads on May 21st, 2020 at 11:30am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 9:34am:
Why don't you move to NSW? Down with Gladys Big Nose who wants the borders opened. She forgets 2 words ............... RUBY PRINCESS. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Belgarion on May 21st, 2020 at 11:45am
The Chinese barley tariff seems to have been an embarrassing own goal:
https://www.theland.com.au/story/6623888/barley-bonanza-as-india-opens-doors/?cs=4937&fbclid=IwAR3PVt0pl33YhN9-3RNUVeOsifdlrOf1Dj1jmFH0Yt-lb0GY3Jtg5Te3lu4 |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Gnads on May 21st, 2020 at 11:54am Belgarion wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 11:45am:
Good ...that's just what the Doctor ordered. ;) So we can survive without China - @Aquascoot |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by John Smith on May 21st, 2020 at 3:34pm Belgarion wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 11:45am:
hows it an own goal? Sure, it's good news, but so far it's a long way from replacing what they lost. It's all coulda woulda shoulda .. India's buying nothing yet. Not a single contract in place Instead of the farmers harvesting their crop and reaping the rewards of their hard work over the year, they now have to waste months trying to get new contracts in India. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by aquascoot on May 21st, 2020 at 4:51pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 9:34am:
quite right. many suicides will be occuring amongst our hard working tourist operators . of ocurse annastasia only chats to public servants all day and none of them have lost their jobs so she thinks everything is sweet ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Gnads on May 21st, 2020 at 5:00pm John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 3:34pm:
So you're saying Australia should shut up, bend down & suck Beijings cork? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 21st, 2020 at 5:06pm aquascoot wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 4:51pm:
So I take it you won't be committing suicide? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by aquascoot on May 21st, 2020 at 6:11pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:06pm:
Queensland Tourism Industry Council chief executive Daniel Gschwind said the tourism-driven locations of Cairns and Port Douglas were in a "sorry state". "Every operator in North Queensland would tell you the same story: they're hanging on desperately to rescuing some of the winter season for this year," he said. "We can only hold our breath so long under water, but at some point you have to come up for air." Read more about coronavirus: Cairns and Port Douglas 'ghost towns' The normally bustling Cairns esplanade is eerily quiet, with most restaurants and hotels closed at a time when it would normally be hard to secure a table. Chamber of Commerce president Sally Mlikota said any decision to extend border closures beyond July would see many businesses pushed to the brink. "My heart sank when I heard about the border being closed until September ... there are quite a few business owners out there bracing themselves, trying to work out how on Earth we will survive having to push it out for longer," Ms Mlikota said. "There will be a percentage of businesses who will not be able to survive; people are hurting and you can't run a business on fresh air." |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Bojack Horseman on May 21st, 2020 at 6:12pm
I more meant from the hard working POV
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by UnSubRocky on May 21st, 2020 at 7:25pm
I figure that if there was no testing and no isolation, the death toll might only be twice or treble that we have now. Perhaps all elderly people.
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Belgarion on May 21st, 2020 at 10:05pm John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 3:34pm:
Some things don't have a monetary value. I would rather Australia call out the Chinese regime for the lying, murderous filth it is and have a period of economic uncertainty than cave into its threats. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by aquascoot on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:28am Belgarion wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:05pm:
well now it looks like they're putting coal and iron ore on the hit list as well That pretty much means we don't have any export industry at all ;D ;D I suppose if you're a public servant or a welfare recipient in a big city You are sort of walking around in a durrrr state and don't understand the implications of this The implications are Unemployment at 15% The dollar at $0.39 Petrol correspondingly at $3 T-shirts at 100 iPhones at 5000 Washing machines and televisions at 2 1/2 thousand Massive cuts to welfare Superannuation balances probably cut by 60% The value of your home probably cut by 50% Massive cuts to available cash for health People want to be very very careful what they wished for Just as example the wine industry which employs 60000 people Relies on China for 60% of its sales I know that people with no skin in the game I think it makes them feel virtuous To get tough with China As a pragmatist It's always my ambition to play a game which people want to keep on playing which improves overtime the game of trade with China appears to be a game which people no longer wish to play and which will degenerate overtime It's the definition of maturity to come up with a game that the other kids in the playground want to play with you If australia wants to be some sort of mentally deficient Socially inadequate emotionally unmastered loser kid That nobody wants to play with I'm not sure that's a healthy way to go about Australia climbing the very very very narrow road to success I think we have put ourselves on the highway to destruction |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2020 at 7:54am aquascoot wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:28am:
Bottom line..... what did they do before all the eggs were in the Chinese basket? What would you call an investor who did the same? All you repeat is Australia should kowtow to Chinas threats. They signed "Free Trade Agreements" ...... they have breached those. Do you accept their accusations of dumping & govt subsidized barley in Australia? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by aquascoot on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:30am
What would be wrong
With exploring other markets In a very quiet way And slowly readjusting our position Apart from our politicians feeling all virtuous about leading the world assault on China What real benefit does Australia get from being confrontational I can't see it Why would you tell the Chinese that you are going to explore other markets Why would you insult your customer It makes no sense I'm sure McDonald's could take the moral high ground And declare the we have an obesity epidemic And that it would be really good if that Steven and fat Janine no longer came to their establishment The board of McDonald's could sit around glowing in their virtuous position They could all slap each other on the back And give each other props Then when the shareholders get no dividend They could all vacate their positions Australian taxpayer is about to receive no dividend They are going to have less cash in their wallet And my ssessment of the Australian shareholder In Australia proprietary limited Is that they will be none too pleased when this virtue-signalling leads to a reduction in their disposable income |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by cods on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:46am aquascoot wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:30am:
whats confrontational about asking for an enquiry into how this pandemic started???????...and where?.. what is so wrong with that??? do you seriously think had this come from Australia no one would want to know the FACTS... why should China be above reproach?.. why do you not condemn China for retaliating in a most immature way???????.. ::) ::) ::) ::) yes we are going to do it tough so is the rest of the world all thanks to CHINA.... and there is no end in sight again all thinks to CHINA. you might not want answers but I do.....and I would like some kind of certainty this wont happen again... as i am sure many people around the world would especially those who have lost loved ones... I find it insulting CHINA has refused up until now to let the WHO into Wuhan.. >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Belgarion on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:03am aquascoot wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:30am:
Fortunately the real Australians are not as morally bankrupt as the CEO's, mining magnates and some politicians who will grovel to an evil regime to keep themselves in the style to which they are accustomed. Australians know that taking a stand against China's lies and bullying will cause some economic pain, but are willing to accept that rather than grovel like cowards. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by aquascoot on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:28am
I've worked with enough crazy horses
To know that direct confrontation Is always a mistake You take on a 600 kilo beast head on And your ass is in the dirt QuickSmart You can't out muscle the beast You have to outsmart it A sensible Australian policy would be to continue to maintain pleasantries with the Chinese Whilst exploring every back door option available To cut them off at the knees The naivety of your average Australian He would rather virtue signal to his mates Then triumph on the playing field |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by SadKangaroo on May 22nd, 2020 at 11:24am aquascoot wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:28am:
As common sense as this is (and I agree this is the only course of action that will work in our favour), if you suggest something like this here you're defending the "CCP" or trying to appease them. People are stupid. Baronvonrort wrote on May 13th, 2020 at 5:14pm:
Case in point. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by billy the kid on May 22nd, 2020 at 11:36am
The problem Australia has is that our politicians, both state and federal are incompetent...always have been...always will be...
As a nation, we will lose out due to our spat with the CCP. Im not siding with the CCP.. Im just saying there is a winner and a loser. The upshot of the whole gig is that we have to find other markets overseas..... AND find them fast... That makes us even more vulnerable, as time is of the essence... Who was is that said..be careful when you want to poke the bear.... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Belgarion on May 22nd, 2020 at 11:54am
It's all very well to say we should be maneuvering behind the scenes to find new markets without upsetting China publicly, however given China's very public abuse and insults to Australia over the virus inquiry this is not possible. China will take any sign of compromise and attempts to smooth things over as weakness and will only grasp that they have made a mistake when Australia and the rest of the world tells them so in no uncertain terms. They can spit the dummy and slap tariffs on our exports but that will only hurt them more than us.
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by UnSubRocky on May 22nd, 2020 at 1:25pm
I have seen this situation unfold before where the perpetrator pushes the "I'm not responsible because I have a lot of friends and money" line against the victim.
China's mentality is that Australia is 20 million white people sitting amongst 2 billion Asian and brown people. We have no friends nearby. It is not surprising that China would use Australia as a target to bully. As suggested, if undeclared sanctions (we stop buying Chinese products) were to occur, perhaps China would rethink their attitudes towards the world in terms of who to bully. But, it would take a worldwide effort to get China to reconsider their attitude. And we have found that when Australia loses out on trade, the alternative trading countries take over. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Culture Warrior on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:19pm Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 11:30am:
Go away, idiot. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Culture Warrior on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:22pm SadKangaroo wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 9:50am:
Fear-mongers keep talking about waves and spikes, but they never appear. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Culture Warrior on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:24pm aquascoot wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 4:51pm:
Yep. Businesses and jobs gone is a great recipe for suicide and depression. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Lols on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:59pm
I find this, which leads me to question why the health system in USA is not good hence such high cases of infections from covid and deaths?
America the great eh? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by SadKangaroo on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:49am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:22pm:
Only if you ignore all the waves and spikes that have happened everywhere but Australia and a few other countries who took quick action and did not relax them until they had testing, contact tracing and quarantine measures in place. I support you're another of the "I'll believe what I want to believe" crowd. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Karnal on May 23rd, 2020 at 1:40am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:24pm:
What's the situation like in Turkey, Mistie? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Ye Grappler on May 23rd, 2020 at 4:03am aquascoot wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:28am:
I used to start a Rugby game running slower than I could - to delude the opposing centres and wingers - then suddenly I'd show my true speed... take the ball from the scrum half by slicing in from left wing and storming through seven or more defenders before touching down under a pile of opposition players who tried to make out it was a ruck despite the fact that I was firmly down over the try line and ball on the ground and I wasn't letting go... The opposition 5/8 - one of the defeated defenders who should have taken up the slack - was an old school team mate and he didn't realise I was that fast when I wanted to be... Same with China... gull them into believing they are above the law - then take them down... every bully over steps his mark... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Gnads on May 23rd, 2020 at 7:59am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:24pm:
Aust has had a high rate of ... jobs & businesses gone and a high rate of suicides & depression in that sector as well as in agriculture for many reasons long before COV19. If COV19 were to go away(which it won't) those reasons would still be there. Fires, Floods, droughts, market fluctuations, processor & wholesalers screwing producers for price etc etc . The restrictions are temporary .... petulant idiot. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Gnads on May 23rd, 2020 at 8:01am Sophia wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:59pm:
The list looks like a Union charter. And FDR was right & that list is still right. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Belgarion on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:51pm SadKangaroo wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:49am:
As someone said to me recently, when this is over there will be complaints that the restrictions were harsh and unnecessary because the fatalities did not reach anywhere near the predicted numbers. That the fatalities were kept low because of the 'harsh and unnecessary' restrictions is a concept the complainers are unable to grasp. ::) |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Culture Warrior on May 24th, 2020 at 9:00pm SadKangaroo wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:49am:
Believing what, that there has been no waves and spikes in Aus? Despite the fear-mongering, there haven't been any waves or spikes here. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Culture Warrior on May 24th, 2020 at 9:04pm Belgarion wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:51pm:
Looking at the timeline when the restrictions were implemented, the Chinese virus was already under control, to prevent an overflowing of hospitals. Despite that, the restrictions made little sense when you could go to a shopping centre and be in close proximity to thousands of people, but couldn't go camping on your own. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Sprintcyclist on May 24th, 2020 at 9:48pm SadKangaroo wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 9:50am:
I agree |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Ye Grappler on May 24th, 2020 at 10:03pm
What he's saying is the original estimate was far higher....
Thing is - we either accept that the procedures put in place worked, or that the original estimates were Wild Bill guesses... or that the whole thing was a blow-up ... Oh - that's a Corona Jellyfish - the Chinese discovered it.. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Ye Grappler on May 24th, 2020 at 10:10pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 24th, 2020 at 9:48pm:
'They' (The Twelve Who Must Not Be Named) have been saying that with the onset of colder weather in the Southern Hemisphere, chances are this bug will break loose down under... and not just Down Under... Bra-sill is already an epicentre... Colder weather is here, BTW... gird yourselves for true... the onslaught is just beginning.... if indeed infalling pathogens are the cause, no place on Earth is safe, including Nu Zulland (Peccarys Beware)... cooler weather, according to the theory, causes more downflow of air from the upper atmosphere, bringing bugs with it... Now THIS is the kind of Bra-Sill I prefer, but under the current circumstances... will have to forego the privilege.... |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by miketrees on May 24th, 2020 at 10:45pm I curse every day when I dont have a car accident Why did I spend money on seat belts |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Lols on May 25th, 2020 at 1:18am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 24th, 2020 at 9:04pm:
Or fishing, or playing golf etc. Police go tell off everyone on beach to go, keep away, safer to all go to Bunnings instead! |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Lols on May 25th, 2020 at 1:21am miketrees wrote on May 24th, 2020 at 10:45pm:
😕Me no capice? If not seat belts save lives, air bags do? Don’t all vehicles come with seatbelts anyway? Not an optional extra choice to pay for? Or have I missed something here? |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by aquascoot on May 25th, 2020 at 7:20am miketrees wrote on May 24th, 2020 at 10:45pm:
I understand the point But all things we do to keep ourselves safe Come with the cost Now a seatbelt probably saves maybe 500 lives a year in Australia And the cost is maybe 100 bucks per car Extreme lockdown has may be reduced the death toll by similar amount And the cost is maybe 4 billion dollars a week we need to stop this you can't put a price on a human life bulshit If every teenager was given a $100,000 Top of the range Volvo With every safety feature known to man We would save quite a few lives Instead many of them I driving around in $2,000 15 year old Honda civics with dodgy brakes So society has decided they are fine with that Society has decided that a teenager's life is not worth shelling out the 10000 For. And yet society seems to be stuck in this weird vortex Where they are willing to shell our 4 billion So that we don't have the catastrophic death of 95 year olds in nursing homes It seems quite a logical to me |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Gnads on May 25th, 2020 at 7:36am Sophia wrote on May 25th, 2020 at 1:18am:
Most stores had a counting & restricted access policy .... that included Bunnings here. Fishing ended up being allowed .... & golf has been played here for a fortnight. Bowls clubs have been playing for just over a week. Everything still has guidelines. I've been going to Saturday arvo drinks with mates outside at alternate addresses - 5 people for 3 Saturdays. last Saturday you could have 10. The problem at shopping centres is not the requirement to maintain social distancing ...... it's the morons who ignore it. Probably the same sort of people who are currently whinging about the restrictions being too harsh or contradictory. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Gnads on May 25th, 2020 at 7:37am Sophia wrote on May 25th, 2020 at 1:21am:
It was sarcasm Lols |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by JaSin. on May 25th, 2020 at 7:45am
I was driven in a car with no seatbelts just last week.
An old vintage model of course. Only two of its type in Australia. Felt the freedom of moving with no belts. If only I could do so without a car too. That would be grand. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Ye Grappler on May 25th, 2020 at 1:39pm Gnads wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 8:01am:
Private Enterprise Model, innit... never yet produced the goods. |
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Title: Re: Corona 19 - what might have been Post by Gnads on May 25th, 2020 at 5:44pm Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 25th, 2020 at 1:39pm:
Correct |
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