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Plandemic Part 1 - Dr. Judy Mikovits (Banned from YouTube) A compelling testimony by Dr. Judy Mikovits exposing Dr. Fauci and his Plandemic co-conspirators as brutal and heartless profiteers who are quite literally responsible for the death of millions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTPreWIVDxM

Watch it before it gets deleted otherwise download and watch it from here

https://plandemicmovie.com/

Or watch it here

https://lbry.tv/@FreedomFighter:a/Plandemic-Part-1---Dr.-Judy-Mikovits:4


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Humanity is imprisoned by a killer pandemic. People are being arrested for surfing in the ocean and meditating in nature. Nations are collapsing. Hungry citizens are rioting for food. The media has generated so much confusion and fear that people are begging for salvation in a syringe. Billionaire patent owners are pushing for globally mandated vaccines. Anyone who refuses to be injected with experimental poisons will be prohibited from travel, education and work. No, this is not a synopsis for a new horror movie. This is our current reality. Let’s back up to address how we got here... In the early 1900s, America’s first Billionaire, John D. Rockefeller bought a German pharmaceutical company that would later assist Hitler to implement his eugenics-based vision by manufacturing chemicals and poisons for war. Rockefeller wanted to eliminate the competitors of Western medicine, so he submitted a report to Congress declaring that there were too many doctors and medical schools in America, and that all natural healing modalities were unscientific quackery. Rockefeller called for the standardization of medical education, whereby only his organization be allowed to grant medical school licenses in the US. And so began the practice of immune suppressive, synthetic and toxic drugs. Once people had become dependent on this new system and the addictive drugs it provided, the system switched to a paid program, creating lifelong customers for the Rockefellers. Currently, medical error is the third leading cause of death in the US. Rockefeller’s secret weapon to success was the strategy known as, “problem-reaction-solution.” Create a problem, escalate fear, then offer a pre-planned solution. Sound familiar? Flash forward to 2020... They named it COVID19. Our leaders of world health predicted millions would die. The National Guard was deployed. Makeshift hospitals were erected to care for a massive overflow of patients. Mass graves were dug. Terrifying news reports had people everywhere seeking shelter to avoid contact. The plan was unfolding with diabolical precision, but the masters of the Pandemic underestimated one thing... the people. Medical professionals and every-day citizens are sharing critical information online. The overlords of big tech have ordered all dissenting voices to be silenced and banned, but they are too late. The slumbering masses are awake and aware that something is not right. Quarantine has provided the missing element: time. Suddenly, our overworked citizenry has ample time to research and investigate for themselves. Once you see, you can’t unsee. The window of opportunity is open like never before. For the first time in human history, we have the world’s attention. Plandemic will expose the scientific and political elite who run the scam that is our global health system, while laying out a new plan; a plan that allows all of humanity to reconnect with healing forces of nature. 2020 is the code for perfect vision. It is also the year that will go down in history as the moment we finally opened our eyes.

The only link that worked was the Freedom Fighter one.
The others have been removed by Youtube & servers.

I'd like to thank you for that link .... it was an extremely enlightening video.

It reminds me to a lesser degree as to what happened to Dr. Peter Ridd when he spoke out about the incorrect science involving climate science, damage & bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef being pushed by James Cook University.

They sacked him, tried to silence him & ruin his reputation.

The content of this video from Dr. Mikovits  doesn't surprise me one iota as to evilness of people in all sorts of positions of authority in the USA.

Thanks again for that insight.

It has given me time to reflect & change my mind regarding singularly blaming China for this COVID19 virus.

It has been a joint effort & according to Dr. Mikovits not a natural occurring virus that came from/originated in a Chinese Wet Market.   

Edit: my daughter claims that Dr Judy Mikovits is a well known ANTI-VAXXER.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I'm against corruption & scientific fraud.

That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud.

EDIT the EDIT - hold the phone ....

then there is this ....

https://youtu.be/KHeg9DDrjMs

Seems I'm back to square one.  ::)

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/zdoggmd/86351

Gnads wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 8:51am:

That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud.

Dress it up all you want dude. You're basically an anti-vaxxer

Bout time they start speaking out. This woman is very brave.

As much as some people hate David Icke, he just scored the world record for a live stream on the weekend with Brian Rose from London real.
Worth a look imo.


I hope to see the medical industry turned inside out over this.....and the relevant corrupt mongrels sent to jail for life.

“problem-reaction-solution.” Create a problem, escalate fear, then offer a pre-planned solution. Sound familiar

Like say the World has Global Warming issues and we the Scientists can fix it, control it, play God for it... at a Price $ ;)
A scientifically enhanced planet that is 'Air Conditioned' for your comfort. Afterall, the Dinosaurs enjoyed a World of beautiful hazy skies, a constant 30C at the Equator and 10C at the Poles with x3 times as much Oxygen in the Atmosphere that made their immense sizes and weights more bearable like they were 'swimming' in air.

There is no conspiracy. Just a dirty infection you get when one person stands rich and over-indulgent among 10 others who are living poor in their own turd. You leave a Gap, something will come through the lines.

I mean, if there is any conspiracy - then its the Media working with China on this. It starts from there.

Gnads wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 8:51am:

Edit: my daughter claims that Dr Judy Mikovits is a well known ANTI-VAXXER. I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I'm against corruption & scientific fraud. That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud. EDIT the EDIT - hold the phone .... then there is this .... https://youtu.be/KHeg9DDrjMs Seems I'm back to square one.  ::) https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/zdoggmd/86351

Shes claims she is not an anti-Vaxer !

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 9:25am:

Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 8:51am: That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud. Dress it up all you want dude. You're basically an anti-vaxxer

Yes when it comes to fauccis concoction of junk i'm an anti-vaxer. Wouldn't trust anything that little prick wanted to inject into my veins :(

Sir lastnail wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 10:35am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 9:25am: Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 8:51am: That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud. Dress it up all you want dude. You're basically an anti-vaxxer Yes when it comes to fauccis concoction of junk i'm an anti-vaxer. Wouldn't trust anything that little prick wanted to inject into my veins :(

Me either.
I also said they can jam the flu shot where the sun don't shine as well.
I'm proud to be an anti vaxxer if that's what makes me one.

Gnads wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 8:51am:

Edit: my daughter claims that Dr Judy Mikovits is a well known ANTI-VAXXER. I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I'm against corruption & scientific fraud. That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud. EDIT the EDIT - hold the phone .... then there is this .... https://youtu.be/KHeg9DDrjMs Seems I'm back to square one.  ::) https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/zdoggmd/86351

Have a listen to the plandemic interview at 10 minutes Gnads where she explains not being anti vaxxer but for sensible reason.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 10:43am:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 10:35am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 9:25am: Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 8:51am: That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud. Dress it up all you want dude. You're basically an anti-vaxxer Yes when it comes to fauccis concoction of junk i'm an anti-vaxer. Wouldn't trust anything that little prick wanted to inject into my veins :( Me either. I also said they can jam the flu shot where the sun don't shine as well. I'm proud to be an anti vaxxer if that's what makes me one.

I’m not an anti vaxxer, in fact I had to have a tetanus shot 6 months ago due to something that happened and was necessary.
I hadn’t had a tetanus shot for over 40 years. And I did give the doc a hard time about it though 😌

But, I will not have a flu jab. Don’t want that poison in my blood.
And noted in the interview with Dr. Mikovitz, why corona effected a lot of Italians.
Older population all fave flu jab, this virus seemed to like that!

And I have looked further, even with those speaking up against Dr. Mikovitz, even they could not refute this.

The study to do with influenza vaccine and virus interference.

“If someone is vaccinated for influenza, the risk of getting Corona virus is increased by 36%”

https://i.imgur.com/g4QIzm3.jpg

Sophia wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 11:45am:

https://i.imgur.com/g4QIzm3.jpg

Yeh but Bill and Microsoft are experts on Viruses :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 12:01pm:

Sophia wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 11:45am: https://i.imgur.com/g4QIzm3.jpg Yeh but Bill and Microsoft are experts on Viruses :D LOL

Ah huh.... how he get$ $o much medical credibility 🤔 one wonder$
When money talk$...... the truth walk$ 😆
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https://i.imgur.com/E4aamkY.jpg

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 9:25am:

Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 8:51am: That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud. Dress it up all you want dude. You're basically an anti-vaxxer

Get farked... you twat ... I'm not an anti-vaxxer at all.

That's why I edited my posts & had another look at Judy Mikovits background.

Jog on Noddy.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 9:46am:

Bout time they start speaking out. This woman is very brave. As much as some people hate David Icke, he just scored the world record for a live stream on the weekend with Brian Rose from London real. Worth a look imo. I hope to see the medical industry turned inside out over this.....and the relevant corrupt mongrels sent to jail for life.

David Icke is a dead set fruit loop.

Are his lizard people from the centre of the earth actually a guise for being an anti-semite?

Sophia wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 11:45am:

https://i.imgur.com/g4QIzm3.jpg

Agree.
The only virus this idiot should be talking about is Microsoft.

Sir lastnail wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 10:33am:

Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 8:51am: Edit: my daughter claims that Dr Judy Mikovits is a well known ANTI-VAXXER. I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I'm against corruption & scientific fraud. That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud. EDIT the EDIT - hold the phone .... then there is this .... https://youtu.be/KHeg9DDrjMs Seems I'm back to square one.  ::) https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/zdoggmd/86351 Shes claims she is not an anti-Vaxer !

Yes she does ... but when I checked a bit on her background .... she's definitely associated with Anti-vaxxers for a long time.

and I believe they financed the video.

That's what the Dr. in the video I posted also says.

Sophia wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 11:33am:

Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 8:51am: Edit: my daughter claims that Dr Judy Mikovits is a well known ANTI-VAXXER. I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I'm against corruption & scientific fraud. That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud. EDIT the EDIT - hold the phone .... then there is this .... https://youtu.be/KHeg9DDrjMs Seems I'm back to square one.  ::) https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/zdoggmd/86351 Have a listen to the plandemic interview at 10 minutes Gnads where she explains not being anti vaxxer but for sensible reason.

I heard her say she wasn't an anti-vaxxer ... but that doesn't make it true .... what I've found is she has a long association with Anti-vaxxer groups.

Gnads wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 12:50pm:

Sophia wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 11:33am: Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 8:51am: Edit: my daughter claims that Dr Judy Mikovits is a well known ANTI-VAXXER. I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I'm against corruption & scientific fraud. That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud. EDIT the EDIT - hold the phone .... then there is this .... https://youtu.be/KHeg9DDrjMs Seems I'm back to square one.  ::) https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/zdoggmd/86351 Have a listen to the plandemic interview at 10 minutes Gnads where she explains not being anti vaxxer but for sensible reason. I heard her say she wasn't an anti-vaxxer ... but that doesn't make it true .... what I've found is she has a long association with Anti-vaxxer groups.

Not that I give a f ck about who anti vaxxers are.
Put links up then to show her as an anti vaxxer.
Perhaps she has an association with anti vaxxers for advice etc.
Shades of grey.

I don’t see how this discredits her whole interview RE the virus, labs etc.

Your anti fluoride stance.....and yet you just got labelled anti vaxxer.
See how it’s misconstrued.
Same with Dr. Judy M.
Don’t discount everything she is saying just because of whether or not she is anti vax or not.
The truth serum comes in many guises and forms, not just in a dam needle jab!

Gnads wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 12:45pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 9:46am: Bout time they start speaking out. This woman is very brave. As much as some people hate David Icke, he just scored the world record for a live stream on the weekend with Brian Rose from London real. Worth a look imo. I hope to see the medical industry turned inside out over this.....and the relevant corrupt mongrels sent to jail for life. David Icke is a dead set fruit loop. Are his lizard people from the centre of the earth actually a guise for being an anti-semite?

Who knows? Don't know much about him till these interviews with Rose..and his opinion of 911....to which I also agree is a con job on the people. He is also being silenced by YouTube/Facebook etc.

The lizard people you speek of was not mentioned...that I can recall. He did speak of control from gods. Throughout history this has been repeated.
I'm only referring to the interview with Brian Rose. He did raise plausible reason as to why this crap is happening. It's along the same lines as the lady in th OP.

I am anti compulsory flouride

Spot

Captain Caveman wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 12:58pm:

Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 12:45pm: Captain Caveman wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 9:46am: Bout time they start speaking out. This woman is very brave. As much as some people hate David Icke, he just scored the world record for a live stream on the weekend with Brian Rose from London real. Worth a look imo. I hope to see the medical industry turned inside out over this.....and the relevant corrupt mongrels sent to jail for life. David Icke is a dead set fruit loop. Are his lizard people from the centre of the earth actually a guise for being an anti-semite? Who knows? Don't know much about him till these interviews with Rose..and his opinion of 911....to which I also agree is a con job on the people. He is also being silenced by YouTube/Facebook etc. The lizard people ypu speek of was not mentioned...that I can recall. He did speak of control from gods. Throughout history this has been repeated. I'm only referring to the interview with Brian Rose. He did raise plausible reason as to why this crap is happening. It's along the same lines as the last in th OP.

I have known about David Icke for many years.
The lizard (reptilian) thing is still an issue I’m trying to comprehend.
But all else he says is worth thinking about.
I first watched his DVD Facism or Freedom, and then I started to open my eyes, especially after the twin towers (in fact 3) buildings came down  demolition style.

What we don’t understand or witness, we are at the mercy of the tabloids.

Gnads , you say Icke is a fruit loop?
What about Bill Gates?
Who is more damaging to our wellbeing?
The one warning us or the one controlling us with his f k ed up control implants? Even patent 060606.... go on, look it up on google.

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Captain Caveman wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 12:58pm:

Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 12:45pm: Captain Caveman wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 9:46am: Bout time they start speaking out. This woman is very brave. As much as some people hate David Icke, he just scored the world record for a live stream on the weekend with Brian Rose from London real. Worth a look imo. I hope to see the medical industry turned inside out over this.....and the relevant corrupt mongrels sent to jail for life. David Icke is a dead set fruit loop. Are his lizard people from the centre of the earth actually a guise for being an anti-semite? Who knows? Don't know much about him till these interviews with Rose..and his opinion of 911....to which I also agree is a con job on the people. He is also being silenced by YouTube/Facebook etc. The lizard people you speek of was not mentioned...that I can recall. He did speak of control from gods. Throughout history this has been repeated. I'm only referring to the interview with Brian Rose. He did raise plausible reason as to why this crap is happening. It's along the same lines as the lady in th OP.

I watched a David Icke video a couple of years ago .... about 911, the Rockefellas, the Skull & Bones Society, the Bilderberg Group, the NWO stuff & the global cabal of Freemasons etc. .....

but when he trotted out the Reptilian theory he lost me.

There are plenty paranoid schizophrenics roaming the streets doing that sort of thing anyways.

Lizard People.
It's an Age old mythology that even predates writing and Religion and as recently rehashed as a TV series called 'V'.

But the old tales don't tell of Lizard People that come from Space.
No, they tell of a Warrior Race of people who have Reptillian and Serpentine natures of fighting. Always at War. Cold Blooded killers that swallowed children, etc.
It is said that this 'fear' of the Lizard Man is what brought about the Browns creating Writing, then Religion.

...now considering the 'Olive-skinned' Man.  ;)

Gnads wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 1:14pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 12:58pm: Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 12:45pm: Captain Caveman wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 9:46am: Bout time they start speaking out. This woman is very brave. As much as some people hate David Icke, he just scored the world record for a live stream on the weekend with Brian Rose from London real. Worth a look imo. I hope to see the medical industry turned inside out over this.....and the relevant corrupt mongrels sent to jail for life. David Icke is a dead set fruit loop. Are his lizard people from the centre of the earth actually a guise for being an anti-semite? Who knows? Don't know much about him till these interviews with Rose..and his opinion of 911....to which I also agree is a con job on the people. He is also being silenced by YouTube/Facebook etc. The lizard people you speek of was not mentioned...that I can recall. He did speak of control from gods. Throughout history this has been repeated. I'm only referring to the interview with Brian Rose. He did raise plausible reason as to why this crap is happening. It's along the same lines as the lady in th OP. I watched a David Icke video a couple of years ago .... about 911, the Rockefellas, the Skull & Bones Society, the Bilderberg Group, the NWO stuff & the global cabal of Freemasons etc. ..... but when he trotted out the Reptilian theory he lost me. There are plenty paranoid schizophrenics roaming the streets doing that sort of thing anyways.

I'll have a look for it tonight.
I'd be interested in seeing the context in what he was referring to. Aliens maybe?

That aside....his opinion on this virus is very interesting....especially now that doctors world wide are speaking out and this woman's narrative is along the same lines. He must be onto something.
People are listening to him. Over 1.3m people tuned into his live interview with Brian Rose.

I like Brian...he has some very interesting people as guests on his show. Even he is now being silenced by silicon valley. That speaks volumes considering the crap that isn't getting censored.

Sophia wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 12:58pm:

Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 12:50pm: Sophia wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 11:33am: Gnads wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 8:51am: Edit: my daughter claims that Dr Judy Mikovits is a well known ANTI-VAXXER. I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I'm against corruption & scientific fraud. That's why I'm anti-fluoride - because I believe it's scientific fraud. EDIT the EDIT - hold the phone .... then there is this .... https://youtu.be/KHeg9DDrjMs Seems I'm back to square one.  ::) https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/zdoggmd/86351 Have a listen to the plandemic interview at 10 minutes Gnads where she explains not being anti vaxxer but for sensible reason. I heard her say she wasn't an anti-vaxxer ... but that doesn't make it true .... what I've found is she has a long association with Anti-vaxxer groups. Not that I give a f ck about who anti vaxxers are. Put links up then to show her as an anti vaxxer. Perhaps she has an association with anti vaxxers for advice etc. Shades of grey. I don’t see how this discredits her whole interview RE the virus, labs etc. Your anti fluoride stance.....and yet you just got labelled anti vaxxer. See how it’s misconstrued. Same with Dr. Judy M. Don’t discount everything she is saying just because of whether or not she is anti vax or not. The truth serum comes in many guises and forms, not just in a dam needle jab!

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The film opens with Mikovits' new book, Plague of Corruption, published by Skyhorse Publishing. This house has skin in the anti-vaxx game. The house's founder and publisher, Tony Lyons, said in 2014 that "my main focus in the publishing field has become books about autism and the connection between autism and vaccines." Skyhorse has published two of discredited physician Andrew Wakefield's anti-vaxx books. (Note: my last book was published by Carrel, a division of Skyhorse. I was not aware of the anti-vaxx connection until after it was published.) Mikovits' co-author, Kent Heckenlively, is a known anti-vaxxer and a founding editor of the anti-vaxx website, Age of Autism. The book's foreword was written by Robert F. Kennedy, a leader in the anti-vaxx movement. So when Mikovits states in "The Plandemic" that she takes no issue with vaccinations, she sure hangs around plenty of people that do.

https://bigthink.com/coronavirus/the-plandemic?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

They say that the oldest Race is the Olive-skinned Race.
That crawled out of the Vagina-Rift Valley.
Always the most Warlike of people.
A reputation that has been passed down through every generation and cultural mythologies around the world.
Even as far as... South America.
Whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

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I wonder if Olive-Skinned people find that picture 'Racist' like a black and white minstrel.

Neanderthals once existed as different humans.
They were wiped out yet Neanderthal must still have some genes in this current human form, so what’s not to say reptilians existed during our billions years on this planet that may have some genes handed down to, yes, maybe even olive skinned people.

How ignorant and small visioned of us humans to think we are the only ones that ever existed?

After all, at one stage even humans nearly became extinct.

Maybe that might still happen between nuclear and virus.

We had huge dinasaurs once too that roamed the planet.
Whose to say, next species could be going back into giants again.
Huge cockroaches 6ft tall?o
Eating and cleaning earth as they go and grow. Adapting all the time.
We humans leave enough rubbish and filth the cockroaches thrive on!

Enjoy humanoid while we can 👍

Homonids rules first for ages.
They extended as far as Indonesia as thus discovered, and Southern African tip.
Then a spurt of Pre-Sapien Sapiens that ventured out, then became isolated as seperate 'species': Neanderthal, Denisovian and Ophirian. This isolation (social distancing) didn't work because the 2nd Wave of Sapiens went everywhere and were more nomadic - following the food. The older, more distinctly individual, tribes slowly faded away into the shadows... but there is a small percentage of the genes within the populations.
Sapiens eventually over-run them in the end and move on.
The word Ogre is an old word and points to the 'cave people'. Neanderthal never followed the food, they waited for it to come near their cave with the seasons. They were eventually interbred, killed and replaced in greater number.
The Caucasoid, Negroid & Mongoloid are relatively 'young' and younger than the Xhosians and Sans, the Australoids and a few other 'old' races. Genetically though, the Caucasoid/Negroid/Mongoloid races are more 'simpler' in their diversity and variation.

Maybe something new might come of the current Sapiens?
In the New Worlds of Mental Stress and Complexity, it might actually be beneficial to live like a Cave Person. Social Distancing innit?

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A new documentary suggests that the novel coronavirus pandemic is part of a larger conspiracy to encourage worldwide vaccinations. While the doc in question, Plandemic, has been repeatedly debunked by scientists and doctors, many users have ignored these warnings and now believe that a cabal of billionaires has organized the outbreak to satisfy their hidden agenda. Plandemic is a feature-length conspiracy documentary that relies on misinformation to suggest that a global cabal of billionaires and drug manufacturers created the coronavirus pandemic as part of a plan to enforce “globally mandated vaccines.” The official Plandemic movie website puts forth producers’ theory (which has been repeatedly debunked ) that the ongoing health crisis actually began 100 years ago with John D. Rockefeller, who “called for the standardization of medical education” and “began the practice of immune suppressive, synthetic and toxic drugs.” https://decider.com/2020/05/07/plandemic-documentary-conspiracy-debunked/

Wow this thread sure has attracted the conspiracy theory nutcases
I don't think I have ever read more nonsense in the one thread

Sophia wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 2:57pm:

Neanderthals once existed as different humans. They were wiped out yet Neanderthal must still have some genes in this current human form, so what’s not to say reptilians existed during our billions years on this planet that may have some genes handed down to, yes, maybe even olive skinned people. How ignorant and small visioned of us humans to think we are the only ones that ever existed? After all, at one stage even humans nearly became extinct. Maybe that might still happen between nuclear and virus. We had huge dinasaurs once too that roamed the planet. Whose to say, next species could be going back into giants again. Huge cockroaches 6ft tall?o Eating and cleaning earth as they go and grow. Adapting all the time. We humans leave enough rubbish and filth the cockroaches thrive on! Enjoy humanoid while we can 👍

We evolved from reptiles.

Jump to 10 minutes:

https://lbry.tv/@FreedomFighter:a/Plandemic-Part-1---Dr.-Judy-Mikovits:4


Dr. Judy Mikovits confirms that Coronavirus is man made.
The evolution of the virus would have taken naturally 800
years from SARS Cov1  to SARS Cov2.
It took only 10 years.

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We evolved from reptiles.

And I always thought I had alien space ancestors!

But logically, I was thinking of  those ancient Egyptian drawings and of Sobek, an ancient Egyptian deity, with human and reptilian traits.

In the Military. Snipers are known as Snakes.

Jasin wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 6:59pm:

In the Military. Snipers are known as Snakes.

Daughter had a bf that was a sniper in the army.
Funny RE: snake comment, he had a pet snake too!

Bobby. wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 4:23pm:

Jump to 10 minutes: https://lbry.tv/@FreedomFighter:a/Plandemic-Part-1---Dr.-Judy-Mikovits:4 Dr. Judy Mikovits confirms that Coronavirus is man made. The evolution of the virus would have taken naturally 800 years from SARS Cov1  to SARS Cov2. It took only 10 years.

You missed the starters gun by 8 hrs Bawbby

That link has been posted already - at least twice, as has a debunking video.

As for her statement of 800 years for the natural evolution of a virus .... that's her statement ... it doesn't mean she's correct.

From what I've read it is not clear as to the evolution of viruses nor can natural crossing from one species to another be put in a time frame as Judy Mikovits has done.

Here's some good info on vaxing. .

Our daughter had a big reaction to the MMR.

https://londonreal.tv/robert-f-kennedy-jr-my-fight-against-mandatory-vaccinations-big-pharma-and-dr-fauci/

You mean this one?

https://savedmag.com/plandemic-a-film-about-the-global-plan-to-take-control-of-our-lives-liberty-health-freedom/?fbclid=IwAR0WX0CulA4Hb3Pi10TALqkttTIcbHHbaIyia1dVKT_5kaH2ERUpWv5kAts

Captain Caveman wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 7:46pm:

Here's some good info on vaxing. . Our daughter had a big reaction to the MMR. https://londonreal.tv/robert-f-kennedy-jr-my-fight-against-mandatory-vaccinations-big-pharma-and-dr-fauci/

Did she end up OK? No lasting ill effects?

It's not hard to find the video if you know how to use the Internet.  Do so if you want, but it's a complete waste of time.  It's nothing but conspiracy theory misinformation and these platforms are well within their rights based on their terms of service to keep this off their platforms.

But seek it out if you must, just make sure you have your "opinion vs fact" radar ready.

Gnads wrote on May 9^th, 2020 at 7:57am:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 7:46pm: Here's some good info on vaxing. . Our daughter had a big reaction to the MMR. https://londonreal.tv/robert-f-kennedy-jr-my-fight-against-mandatory-vaccinations-big-pharma-and-dr-fauci/ Did she end up OK? No lasting ill effects?

She is okay, however we do have life changing effects. I won't go into it because people get really abusive when I do.
We know what happened....we have video evidence to back it up.

SadKangaroo wrote on May 9^th, 2020 at 8:03am:

It's not hard to find the video if you know how to use the Internet.  Do so if you want, but it's a complete waste of time.  It's nothing but conspiracy theory misinformation and these platforms are well within their rights based on their terms of service to keep this off their platforms. But seek it out if you must, just make sure you have your "opinion vs fact" radar ready.

Anything that isn't mainstream media is a conspiracy theory to you.   ::)

Captain Caveman wrote on May 9^th, 2020 at 1:57pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on May 9th, 2020 at 8:03am: It's not hard to find the video if you know how to use the Internet.  Do so if you want, but it's a complete waste of time.  It's nothing but conspiracy theory misinformation and these platforms are well within their rights based on their terms of service to keep this off their platforms. But seek it out if you must, just make sure you have your "opinion vs fact" radar ready. Anything that isn't mainstream media is a conspiracy theory to you.   ::)

Just find it an watch it. 

It's a conspiracy theory because you are required to believe the claims are true in the absence of even a shred of evidence to support them, when there is evidence that actually explains what is happening that they're deliberately ignoring.

If you want to dissect it we can play that game, go watch it and come back with your thoughts.  If you've proven to be someone actually concerned with the truth, which our interaction in other threads would suggest otherwise, I might play this game with you.

But I tell ya, I'm sick of wasting my time on lost causes which this place is bloody full of.

The_Barnacle wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 4:19pm:

Quote: A new documentary suggests that the novel coronavirus pandemic is part of a larger conspiracy to encourage worldwide vaccinations. While the doc in question, Plandemic, has been repeatedly debunked by scientists and doctors, many users have ignored these warnings and now believe that a cabal of billionaires has organized the outbreak to satisfy their hidden agenda. Plandemic is a feature-length conspiracy documentary that relies on misinformation to suggest that a global cabal of billionaires and drug manufacturers created the coronavirus pandemic as part of a plan to enforce “globally mandated vaccines.” The official Plandemic movie website puts forth producers’ theory (which has been repeatedly debunked ) that the ongoing health crisis actually began 100 years ago with John D. Rockefeller, who “called for the standardization of medical education” and “began the practice of immune suppressive, synthetic and toxic drugs.” https://decider.com/2020/05/07/plandemic-documentary-conspiracy-debunked/ Wow this thread sure has attracted the conspiracy theory nutcases I don't think I have ever read more nonsense in the one thread

I merely believe in open government - put it out there and let the people decide.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 8:14pm:

You mean this one? https://savedmag.com/plandemic-a-film-about-the-global-plan-to-take-control-of-our-lives-liberty-health-freedom/?fbclid=IwAR0WX0CulA4Hb3Pi10TALqkttTIcbHHbaIyia1dVKT_5kaH2ERUpWv5kAts

My link works - it's their personal home site.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 9^th, 2020 at 1:56pm:

Gnads wrote on May 9th, 2020 at 7:57am: Captain Caveman wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 7:46pm: Here's some good info on vaxing. . Our daughter had a big reaction to the MMR. https://londonreal.tv/robert-f-kennedy-jr-my-fight-against-mandatory-vaccinations-big-pharma-and-dr-fauci/ Did she end up OK? No lasting ill effects? She is okay, however we do have life changing effects. I won't go into it because people get really abusive when I do. We know what happened....we have video evidence to back it up.

Really? I have 2 autistic grandsons .... their conditions are genetic ... not from their immunisations.

If you suggested immunisation caused it my daughter would tear you a new one ..... thus proving it's genetic.

Also here:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RSra7O8dlldQ/

The_Barnacle wrote on May 8^th, 2020 at 4:19pm:

While the doc in question, Plandemic, has been repeatedly debunked by scientists and doctors

Who were financed by whom?

SadKangaroo wrote on May 9^th, 2020 at 3:47pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 9th, 2020 at 1:57pm: SadKangaroo wrote on May 9th, 2020 at 8:03am: It's not hard to find the video if you know how to use the Internet.  Do so if you want, but it's a complete waste of time.  It's nothing but conspiracy theory misinformation and these platforms are well within their rights based on their terms of service to keep this off their platforms. But seek it out if you must, just make sure you have your "opinion vs fact" radar ready. Anything that isn't mainstream media is a conspiracy theory to you.   ::) Just find it an watch it.  It's a conspiracy theory because you are required to believe the claims are true in the absence of even a shred of evidence to support them, when there is evidence that actually explains what is happening that they're deliberately ignoring. If you want to dissect it we can play that game, go watch it and come back with your thoughts.  If you've proven to be someone actually concerned with the truth, which our interaction in other threads would suggest otherwise, I might play this game with you. But I tell ya, I'm sick of wasting my time on lost causes which this place is bloody full of.

Well you stick to trusting Tony Fauci and his group of psychopathic goons. Good for you.

I'll take the high road and say that this lady, along with many others, has had her life destroyed by these c@#ts. They locked her up for no reason at all. No warrants....nothing.
Her silence order has been lifted and she is speaking out. I believe her. She isn't just making this one vid....she travels the continent telling her story.
Do I believe Fauci stole and hid the vaccine for HIV untill he could pen the paper in his words and take credit for it while millions more were infected....absolutely.

I believe this woman was locked up unconstitutionaly.

The c@#ts even label her an anti vaxxer.
She isn't. She says so herself. What she wants is to test the vaccines thoroughly before they are released.....something your mate Fauci doesn't want to do.
And she is saying it takes years to make one....not weeks. So if Fauci and gates are sitting on a safe vaccine then one has to wonder how they knew to produce it....if it takes years of testing.


And I don't trust the medical industry one bit....especially now it is being run by and computer software designer...a software designer known for stealing ideas and abusing anyone that calls him out. A thief that portrays himself as some do gooder. He is a fkkking psychopath.
Even early reports of his life from colleagues he worked with say that the dude is not stable.




When it comes to the crunch I'm happy for you to jab yourself with this crap.
Me....no way. I'll take my chances thanks. After all...what do you have to worry about if I get the virus....you're vaccinated.  ;)

The only way the world will change is if everyone started to love thy neighbour like thyself.

Until that time as long as we have this system of big fish eats small fish and the only thing that matters is you the individual f@rk everyone else we can never be rid of this current system that is run by the elite the oligarchy.

We have been conditioned to believe that any other system is bad, you're a communist, you're  a terrorist etc etc.

So therefore until we awaken from this slumber we deserve everything we get.

A few decades ago the Australia government owned her utilities and we had the cheapest power in the world.

We were told that privatisation would create competition even lowering the price further.

Privatisation has done nothing of the sort, we now have one of the most expensive energy grids in the world.

Yet if you say let our government take over the utilities or whatever else we privatised you will be branded a communist.

We weren't a communist nation when our government owned the utilities before we privatised so why would we be a communist nation if our government took them back.

Get the point.

There's a reason why the oligarchy want our utilities they are cash cows that once belonged to our government.

So until people wake the f@rk up we deserve all we get.

Maybe no air con in summer and no heater in winter because of the price.

Dont feel sorry for anyone who thinks like that.

Quote:

We have been conditioned to believe that any other system is bad, you're a communist, you're  a terrorist etc etc. So therefore until we awaken from this slumber we deserve everything we get.

Do you disagree?

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2020 at 8:54am:

Quote: We have been conditioned to believe that any other system is bad, you're a communist, you're  a terrorist etc etc. So therefore until we awaken from this slumber we deserve everything we get. Do you disagree?

Are you saying the Keynesian system is communist or other...??

Quote:

Doctor Fact-Checks PLANDEMIC Conspiracy Hundreds of you have requested that I watch and respond to the Plandemic movie ft. Dr. Judy Mikovits, recently published on social media. I decided to check it out and respond point by point to the biggest claims the conspiracy theory movie makes. Please be respectful in the comments as the goal is to have a fruitful discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWpjc1QZg84

I know it's going to fall on deaf ears, but some facts for the "debate".

I know the tards have already decided what they want to believe.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 10^th, 2020 at 6:43am:

SadKangaroo wrote on May 9th, 2020 at 3:47pm: Captain Caveman wrote on May 9th, 2020 at 1:57pm: SadKangaroo wrote on May 9th, 2020 at 8:03am: It's not hard to find the video if you know how to use the Internet.  Do so if you want, but it's a complete waste of time.  It's nothing but conspiracy theory misinformation and these platforms are well within their rights based on their terms of service to keep this off their platforms. But seek it out if you must, just make sure you have your "opinion vs fact" radar ready. Anything that isn't mainstream media is a conspiracy theory to you.   ::) Just find it an watch it.  It's a conspiracy theory because you are required to believe the claims are true in the absence of even a shred of evidence to support them, when there is evidence that actually explains what is happening that they're deliberately ignoring. If you want to dissect it we can play that game, go watch it and come back with your thoughts.  If you've proven to be someone actually concerned with the truth, which our interaction in other threads would suggest otherwise, I might play this game with you. But I tell ya, I'm sick of wasting my time on lost causes which this place is bloody full of. Well you stick to trusting Tony Fauci and his group of psychopathic goons. Good for you. I'll take the high road and say that this lady, along with many others, has had her life destroyed by these c@#ts. They locked her up for no reason at all. No warrants....nothing. Her silence order has been lifted and she is speaking out. I believe her. She isn't just making this one vid....she travels the continent telling her story. Do I believe Fauci stole and hid the vaccine for HIV untill he could pen the paper in his words and take credit for it while millions more were infected....absolutely. I believe this woman was locked up unconstitutionaly. The c@#ts even label her an anti vaxxer. She isn't. She says so herself. What she wants is to test the vaccines thoroughly before they are released.....something your mate Fauci doesn't want to do. And she is saying it takes years to make one....not weeks. So if Fauci and gates are sitting on a safe vaccine then one has to wonder how they knew to produce it....if it takes years of testing. And I don't trust the medical industry one bit....especially now it is being run by and computer software designer...a software designer known for stealing ideas and abusing anyone that calls him out. A thief that portrays himself as some do gooder. He is a fkkking psychopath. Even early reports of his life from colleagues he worked with say that the dude is not stable. When it comes to the crunch I'm happy for you to jab yourself with this crap. Me....no way. I'll take my chances thanks. After all...what do you have to worry about if I get the virus....you're vaccinated.  ;)

That's precisely the point. Why do the authorities as well as unquestioning citizens, who repeat the official line, feel that some of the population who are not vaccinated pose a risk to the rest of the population who is?  Surely if they are vaccinated then they have nothing to worry about.

This proves there is a hidden agenda. And you don't have to delve into conspiracy theories to see what that agenda is. Follow the money. Vaccines are a multi-billion dollar a year industry.

waggawoody wrote on May 13^th, 2020 at 1:30am:

That's precisely the point. Why do the authorities as well as unquestioning citizens, who repeat the official line, feel that some of the population who are not vaccinated pose a risk to the rest of the population who is?  Surely if they are vaccinated then they have nothing to worry about. This proves there is a hidden agenda. And you don't have to delve into conspiracy theories to see what that agenda is. Follow the money. Vaccines are a multi-billion dollar a year industry.

No, it proves that you're substituting knowledge of a subject, aka your ignorance, for something you can understand, a hidden plot or agenda.

There are two main points.  Unlike the conspiracy tards, the rest of us care about our fellow man.   Not everyone can be vaccinated due to allergies or an already weakened immune system etc.  The more of us who are, the safer those who can't will be.

I cannot be vaccinated for whooping cough.  When there was an outbreak I had to stay home.  Thankfully the outbreaks were never bad because most of the other kids at the school were vaccinated and either didn't get sick and pass it on, or was so mild they recovered without infecting others.

But let's say that we are all just selfish, the more people who are infected without immunity to whatever virus you want to talk about, the greater the chance of a mutation which would render the previous immunity via vaccination useless, as we see with the various influenza strains.

It's really not a hard concept to understand if you're capable of a basic high school level understanding of science and complex reasoning.

And that's the problem.  Those who fall for the conspiracies have been failed by the various education systems around the world, especially in the west, and just don't have the intellect to stay out of trouble.

People need to grow up and learn to be ok with not having answers for everything that they don't personally understand or haven't seen with their own eyes.  Not everyone has been to space but even without space travel, we can prove the earth isn't flat.  But that's not good enough for some people because they need to see it with their own eyes, despite the fact that any of us can do the maths that proves it and we know with near 100% accuracy how the planet and moon interact with each other and the sun, all based on the earth not being flat.

Don't stop looking for the answers, never, but don't be lazy or lean into your ignorance and reach for conspiracies as the answers just because they're easy to understand and google what you want to know because the vast majority of the time, especially when we have the sources of "evidence" for these claims are coming from the opinions of people on YouTube or worse the deliberate misinformation on YouTube.

Plandemic is full of it.  The opinions of people who did not bring any facts to the table, the poor logic used to reach conclusions that aren't even supported by their claims and a wealth of Google search results when you do you own "research" that will provide you with answers you want in support of these claims rather than the facts.

And those who want to legitimise her claims are saying she's not an anti-vaxxer, but her book, the Plague of Corruption, the forward is written by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. one of the most well-known anti-vaxxers and she gives talks to them all the time.

And no, wearing a face mask does not activate a secret, vaccine-delivered form of the coronavirus in your system.  Her claims are nonsense and they are at best her "expert" opinions, but she provides no evidence to them and she's a disgraced scientist.

I know that triggers the tards to think "she's being silenced, conspiracy confirmed!" but look into why she's disgraced.

Do your "research" on that for once.

https://i.imgur.com/4MLwZNF.jpg

SadKangaroo wrote on May 12^th, 2020 at 1:13pm:

Quote: Doctor Fact-Checks PLANDEMIC Conspiracy Hundreds of you have requested that I watch and respond to the Plandemic movie ft. Dr. Judy Mikovits, recently published on social media. I decided to check it out and respond point by point to the biggest claims the conspiracy theory movie makes. Please be respectful in the comments as the goal is to have a fruitful discussion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWpjc1QZg84 I know it's going to fall on deaf ears, but some facts for the "debate". I know the tards have already decided what they want to believe.

Hahaha.
All the "bad press" about this woman is reaction to her comments.
Doctors around the world are speaking out so I expect your little debunking videos get attention from the likes of people like you. Living in denial and having complete faith in the mongrels orchestrating a freedom take over into a tyrancal world. Just look at the behaviour of police atm.
Just look at the vids and platforms silencing anything against the narrative. Very funny.

No comment on why she was illegally detained. Avoided that one.
Robert Kennedy is not anti vax. He wants extensive testing on vaccines...but don't let that get in the way of a good story.
Bill Gates said he's not going to profit off a vaccine. Okay...well take his word for it. Like all his past co workers etc who have come out and said this bloke is extremely deceitful.


Like I said....you stick what ever you like in your body...I won't be.
If you are to thick to see what's actually going on atm with all these law changes etc then that is not my problem.
A police officer in Washington lost his job because he spoke out against all these tyrants. He was basically black mailed to remove his video....and he stuck to what he knew was right and lost his job because of it.
It's these actions that are waking the sleepy heads up slowly but surely.


One day the penny will drop with you too.....maybe.  ;D

SadKangaroo wrote on May 13^th, 2020 at 7:19am:

waggawoody wrote on May 13th, 2020 at 1:30am: That's precisely the point. Why do the authorities as well as unquestioning citizens, who repeat the official line, feel that some of the population who are not vaccinated pose a risk to the rest of the population who is?  Surely if they are vaccinated then they have nothing to worry about. This proves there is a hidden agenda. And you don't have to delve into conspiracy theories to see what that agenda is. Follow the money. Vaccines are a multi-billion dollar a year industry. No, it proves that you're substituting knowledge of a subject, aka your ignorance, for something you can understand, a hidden plot or agenda. There are two main points.  Unlike the conspiracy tards, the rest of us care about our fellow man.   Not everyone can be vaccinated due to allergies or an already weakened immune system etc.  The more of us who are, the safer those who can't will be. I cannot be vaccinated for whooping cough.  When there was an outbreak I had to stay home.  Thankfully the outbreaks were never bad because most of the other kids at the school were vaccinated and either didn't get sick and pass it on, or was so mild they recovered without infecting others. But let's say that we are all just selfish, the more people who are infected without immunity to whatever virus you want to talk about, the greater the chance of a mutation which would render the previous immunity via vaccination useless, as we see with the various influenza strains. It's really not a hard concept to understand if you're capable of a basic high school level understanding of science and complex reasoning. And that's the problem.  Those who fall for the conspiracies have been failed by the various education systems around the world, especially in the west, and just don't have the intellect to stay out of trouble. People need to grow up and learn to be ok with not having answers for everything that they don't personally understand or haven't seen with their own eyes.  Not everyone has been to space but even without space travel, we can prove the earth isn't flat.  But that's not good enough for some people because they need to see it with their own eyes, despite the fact that any of us can do the maths that proves it and we know with near 100% accuracy how the planet and moon interact with each other and the sun, all based on the earth not being flat. Don't stop looking for the answers, never, but don't be lazy or lean into your ignorance and reach for conspiracies as the answers just because they're easy to understand and google what you want to know because the vast majority of the time, especially when we have the sources of "evidence" for these claims are coming from the opinions of people on YouTube or worse the deliberate misinformation on YouTube. Plandemic is full of it.  The opinions of people who did not bring any facts to the table, the poor logic used to reach conclusions that aren't even supported by their claims and a wealth of Google search results when you do you own "research" that will provide you with answers you want in support of these claims rather than the facts. And those who want to legitimise her claims are saying she's not an anti-vaxxer, but her book, the Plague of Corruption, the forward is written by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. one of the most well-known anti-vaxxers and she gives talks to them all the time. And no, wearing a face mask does not activate a secret, vaccine-delivered form of the coronavirus in your system.  Her claims are nonsense and they are at best her "expert" opinions, but she provides no evidence to them and she's a disgraced scientist. I know that triggers the tards to think "she's being silenced, conspiracy confirmed!" but look into why she's disgraced. Do your "research" on that for once. https://i.imgur.com/4MLwZNF.jpg

Here IMHO is a simpler way to look at it .......

Antivaxxers can be compared to Non Unionists ...

they want the free ride & benefits without having to make a contribution.

They want the protection of the herd but stay out beyond the peripheries until they come under attack from the wolves/lions.

Then they are the first to squeal & want assistance from the herd.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 13^th, 2020 at 7:32am:

SadKangaroo wrote on May 12th, 2020 at 1:13pm: Quote: Doctor Fact-Checks PLANDEMIC Conspiracy Hundreds of you have requested that I watch and respond to the Plandemic movie ft. Dr. Judy Mikovits, recently published on social media. I decided to check it out and respond point by point to the biggest claims the conspiracy theory movie makes. Please be respectful in the comments as the goal is to have a fruitful discussion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWpjc1QZg84 I know it's going to fall on deaf ears, but some facts for the "debate". I know the tards have already decided what they want to believe. Hahaha. All the "bad press" about this woman is reaction to her comments. Doctors around the world are speaking out so I expect your little debunking videos get attention from the likes of people like you. Living in denial and having complete faith in the mongrels orchestrating a freedom take over into a tyrancal world. Just look at the behaviour of police atm. Just look at the vids and platforms silencing anything against the narrative. Very funny. No comment on why she was illegally detained. Avoided that one. Robert Kennedy is not anti vax. He wants extensive testing on vaccines...but don't let that get in the way of a good story. Bill Gates said he's not going to profit off a vaccine. Okay...well take his word for it. Like all his past co workers etc who have come out and said this bloke is extremely deceitful. Like I said....you stick what ever you like in your body...I won't be. If you are to thick to see what's actually going on atm with all these law changes etc then that is not my problem. A police officer in Washington lost his job because he spoke out against all these tyrants. He was basically black mailed to remove his video....and he stuck to what he knew was right and lost his job because of it. It's these actions that are waking the sleepy heads up slowly but surely. One day the penny will drop with you too.....maybe.  ;D

I'm happy to agree to disagree, but don't pretend her claims are well researched and she provided that research in the doco, she hasn't.  These were just her opinions.

Be careful not to confuse that for facts.

They may be true, but we can't know without the evidence.   They don't seem true, and I'll be honest I hope they're not because that means the conspiracy is true, but the saying is,

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

Not,

"Extraordinary claims require no evidence but instead claims that the lack of evidence is proof that a conspiracy exists and explains it all"

SadKangaroo wrote on May 13^th, 2020 at 7:19am:

your ignorance

Nope, I've observed this debate for many years.


Quote:

for something you can understand, a hidden plot or agenda

Why should such companies be trusted?

In 2010 two former Merck (a major vaccine manufacturer) virologists filed a Federal False Claims Act complaint when the Act first became law. The complaint reports that Merck allegedly "knowingly falsified its mumps vaccine effectiveness test data, spiked blood samples with animal antibodies, and sold a vaccine that actually promoted mumps and measles outbreaks." Merck’s attorneys were unsuccessful in their attempts to block the case from going to trial. A Federal District Judge recently ruled the whistle blowers and direct purchasers produced enough evidence to establish that false statements could have helped give Merck a monopoly.

A recent study published in The New England Journal of Medicine supports the strong possibility that the Merck whistle blowers were being truthful. It revealed that an astounding 97 percent of children affected by a mumps outbreak that swept the Northeast back in 2009 had already been fully vaccinated for the condition in accordance with recommended government guidelines. Many of us are not comfortable injecting Merck creations into very young children.

The DPT triple vaccine (diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus) is supposed to convey immunity to pertussis (whooping cough). In 2010, the largest outbreak of whooping cough in over 50 years reportedly occurred in California. What appears to have been a scare campaign was then launched in the state by Big Pharma funded medical trade associations and public health officials, falsely accusing people who had opted-out of the pertussis vaccine as being the cause of that whooping cough outbreak. But research released in 2012 painted a very different picture than what had been spread by the media in 2010...


In 1986 Congress removed legal liability from drug companies for damage done by vaccines...

THE TRUTH ABOUT VACCINES: QUESTIONING IS VERY APPROPRIATE



Quote:

There are two main points.  Unlike the conspiracy tards, the rest of us care about our fellow man.   Not everyone can be vaccinated due to allergies or an already weakened immune system etc.  The more of us who are, the safer those who can't will be. I cannot be vaccinated for whooping cough.  When there was an outbreak I had to stay home.  Thankfully the outbreaks were never bad because most of the other kids at the school were vaccinated and either didn't get sick and pass it on, or was so mild they recovered without infecting others.

Probably a good thing you weren't vaccinated, according to Dr Robert Mendelsohn:

Whooping Cough
by Dr Mendelsohn MD

Dr. Gordon T. Stewart, head of the department of community medicine at the University of Glasgow, Scotland, is one of the most vigorous critics of the pertussis vaccine. He says he supported the inoculation before 1974 but then began to observe outbreaks of pertussis in children who had been vaccinated. "Now, in Glasgow," he says, "30 per-cent of our whooping cough cases are occurring in vaccinated patients. This leads me to believe that the vaccine is not all that protective."

As is the case with other infectious diseases, mortality had begun to decline before the vaccine became available. The vaccine was not introduced until about 1936, but mortality from the disease had already been declining steadily since 1900 or earlier. According to Stewart, "the decline in pertussis mortality was 80 percent before the vaccine was ever used." He shares my view that the key factor in controlling whooping cough is probably not the vaccine but improvement in the living conditions of potential victims.


... more later...

waggawoody wrote on May 16^th, 2020 at 2:15am:

SadKangaroo wrote on May 13th, 2020 at 7:19am: your ignorance Nope, I've observed this debate for many years. Quote: for something you can understand, a hidden plot or agenda Why should such companies be trusted? In 2010 two former Merck (a major vaccine manufacturer) virologists filed a Federal False Claims Act complaint when the Act first became law. The complaint reports that Merck allegedly "knowingly falsified its mumps vaccine effectiveness test data, spiked blood samples with animal antibodies, and sold a vaccine that actually promoted mumps and measles outbreaks." Merck’s attorneys were unsuccessful in their attempts to block the case from going to trial. A Federal District Judge recently ruled the whistle blowers and direct purchasers produced enough evidence to establish that false statements could have helped give Merck a monopoly. A recent study published in The New England Journal of Medicine supports the strong possibility that the Merck whistle blowers were being truthful. It revealed that an astounding 97 percent of children affected by a mumps outbreak that swept the Northeast back in 2009 had already been fully vaccinated for the condition in accordance with recommended government guidelines. Many of us are not comfortable injecting Merck creations into very young children. The DPT triple vaccine (diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus) is supposed to convey immunity to pertussis (whooping cough). In 2010, the largest outbreak of whooping cough in over 50 years reportedly occurred in California. What appears to have been a scare campaign was then launched in the state by Big Pharma funded medical trade associations and public health officials, falsely accusing people who had opted-out of the pertussis vaccine as being the cause of that whooping cough outbreak. But research released in 2012 painted a very different picture than what had been spread by the media in 2010... In 1986 Congress removed legal liability from drug companies for damage done by vaccines... THE TRUTH ABOUT VACCINES: QUESTIONING IS VERY APPROPRIATE [quote]There are two main points.  Unlike the conspiracy tards, the rest of us care about our fellow man.   Not everyone can be vaccinated due to allergies or an already weakened immune system etc.  The more of us who are, the safer those who can't will be. I cannot be vaccinated for whooping cough.  When there was an outbreak I had to stay home.  Thankfully the outbreaks were never bad because most of the other kids at the school were vaccinated and either didn't get sick and pass it on, or was so mild they recovered without infecting others.

Probably a good thing you weren't vaccinated, according to Dr Robert Mendelsohn:

Whooping Cough
by Dr Mendelsohn MD

Dr. Gordon T. Stewart, head of the department of community medicine at the University of Glasgow, Scotland, is one of the most vigorous critics of the pertussis vaccine. He says he supported the inoculation before 1974 but then began to observe outbreaks of pertussis in children who had been vaccinated. "Now, in Glasgow," he says, "30 per-cent of our whooping cough cases are occurring in vaccinated patients. This leads me to believe that the vaccine is not all that protective."

As is the case with other infectious diseases, mortality had begun to decline before the vaccine became available. The vaccine was not introduced until about 1936, but mortality from the disease had already been declining steadily since 1900 or earlier. According to Stewart, "the decline in pertussis mortality was 80 percent before the vaccine was ever used." He shares my view that the key factor in controlling whooping cough is probably not the vaccine but improvement in the living conditions of potential victims.


... more later...[/quote]

I don't trust in the companies, I trust in the evidence, the science.

You seem to trust those who rely on their opinion that because something mildly related happened it proves their opinions true?

No thanks.

Extraordinary claims friend.

SadKangaroo wrote on May 16^th, 2020 at 8:58am:

I don't trust in the companies, I trust in the evidence, the science. You seem to trust those who rely on their opinion that because something mildly related happened it proves their opinions true? No thanks. Extraordinary claims friend.

That's the whole point. The companies, and the government bodies that 'oversee'  them, don't follow the science:

'The government and drug companies have been caught and/or convicted time and again of suppressing or altering data in many areas, including public health.'

(from above link)

And if you think when your doctor says a vaccine is needed he is abiding by science then you are naive:

'Keep in mind, family doctors don't do their own primary research. Virtually any “science” they offer in this area has been financed/influenced by a pharmaceutical company that stands to profit.'

(from above link)

This is science:

'in 1994, the Journal of the American Medical Association published data showing that children diagnosed with asthma were five times more likely than not to have received the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine'

(from above link)

So when someone decides against that vaccine they're following the science.

So you're bindly accepting propaganda, Sad Kangaroo. Unless proper vaccine safety studies have been conducted it cannot be called science:

"Vaccine proponents have stated that there are over 20,000 studies that "prove" the safety of vaccines. But a closer inspection of those studies would likely reveal otherwise. Dr. Palevsky explained:

        "…in order for us to really delve into those studies, we have to look at who supported the studies. What was the study design? What were the control groups? How big was the actual number of kids or adults that was used in those studies? I think we will see that in most of those studies, the actual safety has never really been proven.

        "One of the reasons that I think we can fairly say that is that the vaccine manufacturers and the conventional medical organizations have not done studies that compare vaccinated to unvaccinated children. In order for us to really know if children who were vaccinated are having an adverse effect from a vaccine, we have to use a placebo group that's given an injection of maybe normal saline to evaluate whether or not they developed the same symptoms that children who were vaccinated may develop after they're injected with the vaccine. Those studies are not done..."

Dr. Joseph Mercola Interviews Dr. Lawrence Palevsky About Vaccination and Health

Again, government and drug companies often do not abide by science:

'A review of the medical literature on aluminum reveals a surprising lack of scientific evidence that injected aluminum is safe. There is limited understanding of what happens to children when aluminum is injected into their bodies, including whether or not it accumulates in tissues and organs or is properly eliminated from the body...

'What is even more concerning is the lack of accepted scientific data explaining whether injected aluminum interacts with other vaccine ingredients to cause harm to our children. Boyd Haley, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Chemistry at the University of Kentucky completed lab experiments showing the damaging effects on nerve cells when he exposed them to aluminum, especially in the presence of other vaccine ingredients like mercury, formaldehyde, and the antibiotic neomycin.[6] [7] His data, however, have been ignored by the scientific, medical and governmental institutions making vaccine policies.[8] The scientific community needs to be doing these experiments in the lab before shooting kids with these ingredients and declaring unequivocal vaccine safety for all children...'

'How many more children need to be potentially harmed before we invoke the precautionary principle and the Hippocratic Oath – First, Do No Harm? If there’s no adequate science, and we have positive evidence of toxicity from aluminum, injected alone or in conjunction with other ingredients, and we have a potential model to understand why certain chronic conditions may be developing in a susceptible population of children, then injecting aluminum containing vaccines into anyone should stop right now until we have the proper scientific proof we need to say otherwise. We need the same scientific proof of safety for all vaccine ingredients and their interactions, and we need parents, scientists and practitioners to stand up and demand nothing less before we make matters worse.'

Lawrence B. Palevsky,
MD, FAAP Pediatrician

Aluminum and Vaccine Ingredients: What Do We Know? What Don’t We Know?

When government and drug companies ignore such data and research how can you possibly call it science, Sad Kangaroo?

When vaccine manufacturers and the conventional medical organizations have not done studies that compare vaccinated to unvaccinated children how can you possibly call it science, Sad Kangaroo?

vaccine manufacturers and the conventional medical organizations have not done studies that compare vaccinated to unvaccinated children


So it's left to independent researchers to do such studies. That interview of Dr. Palevsky is from some yerars ago. More recent is this from Feb. 2017:

Working in partnership with the National Home Education Research Institute (NHERI), Dr. Anthony Mawson led a research team that investigated the relationship between vaccination exposures and a range of over 40 acute and chronic illnesses in home schooled children, a population chosen for its high proportion of unvaccinated children. Surveying families in four states–Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi and Oregon—the study (officially titled Vaccination and Health Outcomes: A Survey of 6- to 12-year-old Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Children based on Mothers’ Reports), reported a number of startling findings.

Vaccinated children were significantly more likely than the unvaccinated to have been diagnosed with a neurodevelopmental disorder: most notably, the risk of being affected by an Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) was 4.7 fold higher in vaccinated children; as well, ADHD risk was 4.7 fold higher and learning disability risk was 3.7 fold higher. Overall, the vaccinated children in the study were 3.7 times more likely to have been diagnosed with some kind of neurodevelopmental disorder.

Vaccinated children were also significantly more likely to be diagnosed with an immune-related disorder. The risk of allergic rhinitis (commonly known as hay fever) was over 30 times higher in vaccinated children, while the risk of other allergies was increased 3.9 fold and the eczema risk was increased 2.4 fold...

For well over a decade, parents concerned that vaccines were involved in autism’s sharp rise have been calling for what has long been labelled the “vax/unvax” study. Public health officials such as Paul Offit have resisted these calls with claims that a comparative study of autism risk and other health outcomes in unvaccinated and vaccinated children would be retrospectively impossible and prospectively unethical.

Despite opposition from those like Offit, attempts to launch a formal vax/unvax study have been made for many years. In 2006, Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney (D, NY) authored what is now called Vaccine Safety Study Act. Said Maloney to the opponents, “Maybe someone in the medical establishment will show me why this study is a bad idea, but they haven’t done it yet.” ...

In the absence of any published evidence on the question, the call for a vax/unvax study has become a rallying cry for autism advocates. Now it appears, the results confirm what many have long suspected. These findings, especially the significant link between autism risk and vaccination, are certain to increase pressure on public health officials inside and outside the government to acknowledge the legitimacy of a concern they have long dismissed...

Most studies that have found no link between autism and vaccination have been pharma or government funded, and the media has not considered that significant enough to mention. Nonetheless, expect a hue and cry that money for this study came in part from sources concerned about a possible vaccine-autism link.

Note: Here is the funding statement from the leaked paper. “This study was supported by grants from Generation Rescue, Inc., and the Children’s Medical Safety Research Institute, charitable organizations that support research on children’s health and vaccine safety. The funders had no role or influence on the design and conduct of the research or the preparation of reports.” Generation Rescue is a Founding National Sponsor of Age of Autism

First-Ever Peer-Reviewed Study of Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated Children

The link to the original Age of Autism article is at bottom of page. It states:

“The results are alarming, and it leaves no doubt that we need to seriously question whether the benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks. A much larger study to see if the results still hold up is paramount at this point."

- Dr. Stephanie Seneff, Senior Research Scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.

Comprehensive review shows no link between vaccination and autism

Wombatwood are you prepared to accept a bet on the effectiveness of vaccination?

I'm prepared to bet $10,000 are you?

I'll get all the vaccinations require to visit West Africa, including one for Ebola.  You don't.  We will both travel to West Africa.  Whats the betting you come down with a tropic disease, such as Ebola?   Will be prepared to pay up when you lose the bet?   ::) ::)

waggawoody wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 12:35am:

vaccine manufacturers and the conventional medical organizations have not done studies that compare vaccinated to unvaccinated children

That's because it is unethical to do so

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 1:11pm:

Comprehensive review shows no link between vaccination and autism

Who funded that?


Quote:

Wombatwood are you prepared to accept a bet on the effectiveness of vaccination? I'm prepared to bet $10,000 are you? I'll get all the vaccinations require to visit West Africa, including one for Ebola.  You don't.  We will both travel to West Africa.  Whats the betting you come down with a tropic disease, such as Ebola?   Will be prepared to pay up when you lose the bet?   ::) ::)

Ridiculous!

The_Barnacle wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 1:15pm:

waggawoody wrote on May 17th, 2020 at 12:35am: vaccine manufacturers and the conventional medical organizations have not done studies that compare vaccinated to unvaccinated children That's because it is unethical to do so

Why?

According to Time mag and CDC statistics, on average, 10% of US children are not fully vaccinated, and in some states the rate is much higher. For instance, Washington State has a reported vaccination compliance of only 70%.

That's millions of kids. Already. It's not as if you have to go out and round up kids to do such a study, which would be unethical. They're already there.

waggawoody wrote on May 18^th, 2020 at 1:21am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2020 at 1:11pm: Comprehensive review shows no link between vaccination and autism Who funded that?

Who cares?  Its results were comprehensive.   ::)

Quote:

[quote]Wombatwood are you prepared to accept a bet on the effectiveness of vaccination? I'm prepared to bet $10,000 are you? I'll get all the vaccinations require to visit West Africa, including one for Ebola.  You don't.  We will both travel to West Africa.  Whats the betting you come down with a tropic disease, such as Ebola?   Will be prepared to pay up when you lose the bet?   ::) ::)

Ridiculous!
[/quote]

I'll accept that as a white flag then shall I?  Not prepared to stand by your claims, hey?   Troll.   ::) ::)

I could not watch the video. Probably been dispatched to the internet wastelands along with the mosque shooting video.

waggawoody wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 12:26am:

So when someone decides against that vaccine they're following the science. So you're bindly accepting propaganda, Sad Kangaroo. Unless proper vaccine safety studies have been conducted it cannot be called science: "Vaccine proponents have stated that there are over 20,000 studies that "prove" the safety of vaccines. But a closer inspection of those studies would likely reveal otherwise. Dr. Palevsky explained:"

Palevsky is largely responsible for the measles outbreak in New York City because he's been pushing the thoroughly debunked idea based on invalid research that the MMR vaccine causes autism.  Even during the outbreak he's pushing parents not to vaccinate their children.

And I'm fully aware of who he is and what is claims are.  They are, as highlighted above, his opinions which sadly for those who believe them aren't based actual research but "likely" what the results would be if you tried.

He is exactly what the type of source I was referring to with,


SadKangaroo wrote on May 16^th, 2020 at 8:58am:

I don't trust in the companies, I trust in the evidence, the science. You seem to trust those who rely on their opinion that because something mildly related happened it proves their opinions true? No thanks. Extraordinary claims friend.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

He is using "Won't someone think of the children" to elicit an emotional response from parents whose children already have autism and want someone, something to blame which turns them into vocal advocates for him so other parents will heed his advice.  He profits from parents seeking him out to get exemptions for their children from mandatory vaccination programs where their children wouldn't quality due to not having an allergy or preexisting condition that would make them unable to take the vaccine, plus he's paid to give lectures on the subject and there are talks of book deals.

People also fall for his legitimate credentials, something he's putting at risk pushing this nonsense, which is exactly why the anti-vaccination community love him.

But he hasn't actually brought anything that one could consider evidence to the table, not in the strictest terms.

The best you can take from his claims that, if they're true, it would leave some questions unanswered that would require further reserach, but instead he takes it one step further and makes a conclusion from it, "therefore vaccines are not safe" in classic "god of the gaps" fashion.

It also doesn't help that much of his claims also have one foot in the conspiratorial door.

If he's the best you've got to claim the science is wrong, you're in trouble.

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2020 at 7:59pm:

Who cares?  Its results were comprehensive.   ::)

If you don't question who's behind the study then that's blind acceptance.


Quote:

I'll accept that as a white flag then shall I?  Not prepared to stand by your claims, hey?   Troll.   ::) ::)

Are you always that fatuous?

SadKangaroo wrote on May 19^th, 2020 at 6:44am:

Palevsky is largely responsible for the measles outbreak in New York City

How? Or is that just your opinion?


Quote:

he's been pushing the thoroughly debunked idea based on invalid research that the MMR vaccine causes autism

It's only been thoroughly debunked if you believe all the propaganda.

Lies, Damned Lies and CDC Autism Statistics


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And I'm fully aware of who he is and what is claims are.  They are, as highlighted above, his opinions which sadly for those who believe them aren't based actual research

How is this not research?

"…When it was said that the reason the measles vaccine was implemented in 1963 was to  prevent against the massive cases of encephalitis that occurred as a result of slow viral re-ignition of a measles infection months or years later, I went into CDC. I looked it up to see what was the incidence of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis or SSPE. It showed that it was .0061 percent. There was .0061 percent incidence rate of encephalitis after measles infection. Well, that's not a massive number of cases of measles encephalitis.

"But now, we have one in 88 children with autism, and it is pretty well documented in the literature that one of the hallmark pathologies in autism is brain encephalitis or brain inflammation. One in 88 is 1.14 percent brain inflammation or 1.14 percent encephalitis. We've now gone from a .0061 percent encephalitis after measles infection to a 1.14 percent encephalitis rate in children... we have more cases of brain encephalitis after vaccination than we had before we started the measles vaccine. So, how successful are we in reducing some of the bad side effects of the diseases?"

Dr. Joseph Mercola Interviews Dr. Lawrence Palevsky About Vaccination and Health


Quote:

The best you can take from his claims that, if they're true, it would leave some questions unanswered that would require further reserach, but instead he takes it one step further and makes a conclusion from it, "therefore vaccines are not safe" in classic "god of the gaps" fashion.

US National Library of Medicine:

Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are serious multisystem developmental disorders and an urgent global public health concern. Dysfunctional immunity and impaired brain function are core deficits in ASD. Aluminum (Al), the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant, is a demonstrated neurotoxin . .. Our results show that: (i) children from countries with the highest ASD prevalence appear to have the highest exposure to Al from vaccines; (ii) the increase in exposure to Al adjuvants significantly correlates with the increase in ASD prevalence in the United States observed over the last two decades (Pearson r=0.92, p<0.0001); and (iii) a significant correlation exists between the amounts of Al administered to preschool children and the current prevalence of ASD in seven Western countries, particularly at 3-4 months of age (Pearson r=0.89-0.94, p=0.0018-0.0248).


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It also doesn't help that much of his claims also have one foot in the conspiratorial door.

Like I said at the onset, follow the money:

Marcia Angell, MD, former editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine, one of the world’s most well respected medical journals, said the pharmaceutical industry “has moved very far from it’s original high purpose of discovering and producing useful new drugs. Now primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, this industry uses its wealth and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress, Food and Drug Administration, academic medical centers, and the medical profession itself.”

For further information, see other Children’s Health Defense articles about measles:

December 12, 2019: Is Measles Eradication Through Vaccination a Realistic Goal?

October 24, 2019: Getting the Measles in Modern-Day America—Not Nearly as Dangerous as Portrayed

October 15, 2019: The Measles Vaccine Narrative Is Collapsing

September 10, 2019: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s Response to “The Message of Measles” — What The New Yorker Wouldn’t Publish

August 30, 2019: An Open Letter to Nick Paumgarten, Author of “The Message of Measles”

May 2, 2019: Are Public Health Authorities the Authors of Fake Measles News?

May 2, 2019: A Dozen Facts About Measles That You Won’t Learn From MSPharmedia

May 2, 2019: Orchestrating the Focus on Measles With The World Health Organization’s “Playbook”

May 2, 2019: CDC CASE STUDY: Death From Measles Vaccine Virus 15 Months After Vaccination

April 23, 2019: CDC Lies About, and Media Repeats, Risk of Dying from Measles

April 4, 2019: Measles, Measles, Everywhere!

March 7, 2019: Those Measles Outbreaks: Thoughts Out of Season

February 19, 2019: Measles Madness: Dr. Brian Hooker’s Statement to WA Legislators

February 7, 2019: The Facts About Measles

August 8, 2018: Natural Measles Immunity—Better Protection and More Long-Term Benefits than Vaccines

SadKangaroo wrote on May 19^th, 2020 at 6:44am:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Where's the evidence to support the extraordinary claim that injecting a noxious cocktail of carcinogens, animal DNA, aborted fetal cells (that's right: cells taken from the tissue of an aborted foetus) fecal matter from third-world peasants (thyphoid vaccine), mercury, aluminum, to name just a few, into the human body is good for one's health?

waggawoody wrote on May 20^th, 2020 at 1:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2020 at 7:59pm: Who cares?  Its results were comprehensive.   ::) If you don't question who's behind the study then that's blind acceptance. Quote: I'll accept that as a white flag then shall I?  Not prepared to stand by your claims, hey?   Troll.   ::) ::) Are you always that fatuous?

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png

Are you always a liar and a fraud?  I offered you the chance to stand by what you preach but you have refused.  That makes you a fraud.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

waggawoody wrote on May 20^th, 2020 at 1:55am:

SadKangaroo wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 6:44am: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where's the evidence to support the extraordinary claim that injecting a noxious cocktail of carcinogens, animal DNA, aborted fetal cells (that's right: cells taken from the tissue of an aborted foetus) fecal matter from third-world peasants (thyphoid vaccine), mercury, aluminum, to name just a few, into the human body is good for one's health?

Do you mean vaccines?  So you are an anti-vaxxer?

So you've just brought in an entirely new set of claims that require you to justify, not me to debunk, again, extraordinary claims friend.

But if you mean you want me to show proof that vaccinations are good for one's health, I will first ask, let's set the playing field so you can't weasel out of this.

What standard, what level of evidence do you need to be presented for you to accept what it says?  Scientific studies?  YouTube Vloggers selling Vitamins and Doomsday kits?

What are we talking about here?

You seem like the type who will reject whatever I post no matter what it is, so to protect myself from wasting time just let me what standard of evidence you don't just ignore immediately and we can go from there.

And at the same time, there are a bunch of claims in your post that you need to provide some evidence for too.

waggawoody wrote on May 20^th, 2020 at 1:41am:

For further information, see other Children’s Health Defense articles about measles: December 12, 2019: Is Measles Eradication Through Vaccination a Realistic Goal? October 24, 2019: Getting the Measles in Modern-Day America—Not Nearly as Dangerous as Portrayed October 15, 2019: The Measles Vaccine Narrative Is Collapsing September 10, 2019: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s Response to “The Message of Measles” — What The New Yorker Wouldn’t Publish August 30, 2019: An Open Letter to Nick Paumgarten, Author of “The Message of Measles” May 2, 2019: Are Public Health Authorities the Authors of Fake Measles News? May 2, 2019: A Dozen Facts About Measles That You Won’t Learn From MSPharmedia May 2, 2019: Orchestrating the Focus on Measles With The World Health Organization’s “Playbook” May 2, 2019: CDC CASE STUDY: Death From Measles Vaccine Virus 15 Months After Vaccination April 23, 2019: CDC Lies About, and Media Repeats, Risk of Dying from Measles April 4, 2019: Measles, Measles, Everywhere! March 7, 2019: Those Measles Outbreaks: Thoughts Out of Season February 19, 2019: Measles Madness: Dr. Brian Hooker’s Statement to WA Legislators February 7, 2019: The Facts About Measles August 8, 2018: Natural Measles Immunity—Better Protection and More Long-Term Benefits than Vaccines

You mean you're using the anti-vaccination advocacy organisation chaired by Robert F. Kennedy as a source of truth to justify the claims of other anti-vaxxers?

Oh petal, you poor thing.

I'm happy to continue talking to you, but you really are turning out to be Ralph Wiggum googling what you want to believe and thinking that means you've done research and are now educated on the subject.

I've not seen you cite anything at all in this thread that follows the most basic scientific principles.  It's all alternative medicine or pseudo-science.

If it was proven, it wouldn't be "alternative" medicine.  They're the "alternative" to medicine.  I know I know, there is a deeper conspiracy that explains it all, but did you ever stop and wonder that maybe your late nights of Googling answers that differ from the consensus of the medical experts and scientists doesn't make you special with some secret insight but just plain wrong?

Or are all of them in on the conspiracy too?

SadKangaroo wrote on May 21^st, 2020 at 3:16pm:

waggawoody wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 1:55am: SadKangaroo wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 6:44am: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where's the evidence to support the extraordinary claim that injecting a noxious cocktail of carcinogens, animal DNA, aborted fetal cells (that's right: cells taken from the tissue of an aborted foetus) fecal matter from third-world peasants (thyphoid vaccine), mercury, aluminum, to name just a few, into the human body is good for one's health? Do you mean vaccines?  So you are an anti-vaxxer? So you've just brought in an entirely new set of claims that require you to justify, not me to debunk, again, extraordinary claims friend. But if you mean you want me to show proof that vaccinations are good for one's health, I will first ask, let's set the playing field so you can't weasel out of this. What standard, what level of evidence do you need to be presented for you to accept what it says?  Scientific studies?  YouTube Vloggers selling Vitamins and Doomsday kits? What are we talking about here? You seem like the type who will reject whatever I post no matter what it is, so to protect myself from wasting time just let me what standard of evidence you don't just ignore immediately and we can go from there. And at the same time, there are a bunch of claims in your post that you need to provide some evidence for too.

'The SV40 got into the polio vaccine because the vaccine was made by using monkey kidneys... If you use monkey kidneys, you open the door to germs which you don't know are in those kidneys.

Q: Okay, but let's ignore that distinction between different types of contaminants for a moment. What contaminants did you find in your many years of work with vaccines?

A: All right. I'll give you some of what I came across, and I'll also give you what colleagues of mine found. Here's a partial list. In the Rimavex measles vaccine, we found various chicken viruses. In polio vaccine, we found acanthamoeba, which is a so-called "brain-eating" amoeba.

Simian cytomegalovirus in polio vaccine. Simian foamy virus in the rotavirus vaccine. Bird-cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine. Various micro-organisms in the anthrax vaccine. I've found potentially dangerous enzyme inhibitors in several vaccines. Duck, dog, and rabbit viruses in the rubella vaccine. Avian leucosis virus in the flu vaccine. Pestivirus in the MMR vaccine.
Q: Let me get this straight. These are all contaminants which don't belong in the vaccines.

A: That's right. And if you try to calculate what damage these contaminants can cause, well, we don't really know, because no testing has been done, or very little testing. It's a game of roulette. You take your chances. Also, most people don't know that some polio vaccines, adenovirus vaccines, rubella and hep A and measles vaccines have been made with aborted human fetal tissue. I have found what I believed were bacterial fragments and poliovirus in these vaccines from time to time -- which may have come from that fetal tissue. When you look for contaminants in vaccines, you can come up with material that IS puzzling. You know it shouldn't be there, but you don't know exactly what you've got. I have found what I believed was a very small "fragment" of human hair and also human mucus. I have found what can only be called "foreign protein," which could mean almost anything. It could mean protein from viruses... Remember, this material is going into the bloodstream without passing through some of the ordinary immune defenses.


    Note from Dr. Ben Kim: Please don't overlook this point: when you inject any substance into your circulation via muscle tissue or blood vessel, your body's primary defense mechanisms are bypassed. These mechanisms include your skin, hair in your nasal passageway, adenoid tissues that line your pharynx (tonsils), and specialized membranes that line your nose, digestive tract (including your mouth and anal region), genitourinary tract, and vaginal canal.

[...]

Q: What is one thing you want the public to understand?

A: That the burden of proof in establishing the safety and efficacy of vaccines is on the people who manufacture and license them for public use. Just that. The burden of proof is not on you or me. And for proof you need well-designed long-term studies. You need extensive follow-up. You need to interview mothers and pay attention to what mothers say about their babies and what happens to them after vaccination. You need all these things. The things that are not there.

http://drbenkim.com/articles-vaccine-risks.htm

SadKangaroo wrote on May 21^st, 2020 at 3:28pm:

waggawoody wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 1:41am: For further information, see other Children’s Health Defense articles about measles: December 12, 2019: Is Measles Eradication Through Vaccination a Realistic Goal? October 24, 2019: Getting the Measles in Modern-Day America—Not Nearly as Dangerous as Portrayed October 15, 2019: The Measles Vaccine Narrative Is Collapsing September 10, 2019: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s Response to “The Message of Measles” — What The New Yorker Wouldn’t Publish August 30, 2019: An Open Letter to Nick Paumgarten, Author of “The Message of Measles” May 2, 2019: Are Public Health Authorities the Authors of Fake Measles News? May 2, 2019: A Dozen Facts About Measles That You Won’t Learn From MSPharmedia May 2, 2019: Orchestrating the Focus on Measles With The World Health Organization’s “Playbook” May 2, 2019: CDC CASE STUDY: Death From Measles Vaccine Virus 15 Months After Vaccination April 23, 2019: CDC Lies About, and Media Repeats, Risk of Dying from Measles April 4, 2019: Measles, Measles, Everywhere! March 7, 2019: Those Measles Outbreaks: Thoughts Out of Season February 19, 2019: Measles Madness: Dr. Brian Hooker’s Statement to WA Legislators February 7, 2019: The Facts About Measles August 8, 2018: Natural Measles Immunity—Better Protection and More Long-Term Benefits than Vaccines You mean you're using the anti-vaccination advocacy organisation chaired by Robert F. Kennedy as a source of truth to justify the claims of other anti-vaxxers? Oh petal, you poor thing. I'm happy to continue talking to you, but you really are turning out to be Ralph Wiggum googling what you want to believe and thinking that means you've done research and are now educated on the subject. I've not seen you cite anything at all in this thread that follows the most basic scientific principles.  It's all alternative medicine or pseudo-science. If it was proven, it wouldn't be "alternative" medicine.  They're the "alternative" to medicine.  I know I know, there is a deeper conspiracy that explains it all, but did you ever stop and wonder that maybe your late nights of Googling answers that differ from the consensus of the medical experts and scientists doesn't make you special with some secret insight but just plain wrong? Or are all of them in on the conspiracy too?

So pick one of the above and try to show its claims are unfounded. Good luck though:

'I carefully source all of my statements about vaccines to government databases or peer-reviewed publications' - Robert F. Kennedy Jr

SadKangaroo wrote on May 21^st, 2020 at 3:28pm:

waggawoody wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 1:41am: For further information, see other Children’s Health Defense articles about measles: December 12, 2019: Is Measles Eradication Through Vaccination a Realistic Goal? October 24, 2019: Getting the Measles in Modern-Day America—Not Nearly as Dangerous as Portrayed October 15, 2019: The Measles Vaccine Narrative Is Collapsing September 10, 2019: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s Response to “The Message of Measles” — What The New Yorker Wouldn’t Publish August 30, 2019: An Open Letter to Nick Paumgarten, Author of “The Message of Measles” May 2, 2019: Are Public Health Authorities the Authors of Fake Measles News? May 2, 2019: A Dozen Facts About Measles That You Won’t Learn From MSPharmedia May 2, 2019: Orchestrating the Focus on Measles With The World Health Organization’s “Playbook” May 2, 2019: CDC CASE STUDY: Death From Measles Vaccine Virus 15 Months After Vaccination April 23, 2019: CDC Lies About, and Media Repeats, Risk of Dying from Measles April 4, 2019: Measles, Measles, Everywhere! March 7, 2019: Those Measles Outbreaks: Thoughts Out of Season February 19, 2019: Measles Madness: Dr. Brian Hooker’s Statement to WA Legislators February 7, 2019: The Facts About Measles August 8, 2018: Natural Measles Immunity—Better Protection and More Long-Term Benefits than Vaccines You mean you're using the anti-vaccination advocacy organisation chaired by Robert F. Kennedy as a source of truth to justify the claims of other anti-vaxxers? Oh petal, you poor thing. I'm happy to continue talking to you, but you really are turning out to be Ralph Wiggum googling what you want to believe and thinking that means you've done research and are now educated on the subject. I've not seen you cite anything at all in this thread that follows the most basic scientific principles.  It's all alternative medicine or pseudo-science. If it was proven, it wouldn't be "alternative" medicine.  They're the "alternative" to medicine.  I know I know, there is a deeper conspiracy that explains it all, but did you ever stop and wonder that maybe your late nights of Googling answers that differ from the consensus of the medical experts and scientists doesn't make you special with some secret insight but just plain wrong? Or are all of them in on the conspiracy too?

I don't expect you to bother but I think many here would like to see Mr. Kennedy's letter to CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta on fraud and corruption in the Center for Disease Control (CDC):

In 2005, the British Medical Journal (BMJ) Editor, Dr. Peter Doshi, published a comprehensive rebuke of CDC’s annual ritual of exaggerating flu mortalities entitled “Dissecting CDC’s Deception: Are US Flu Death Figures More PR Than Science?” Doshi accuses the CDC of purposefully inflating flu deaths to frighten the public into purchasing vaccines. To illustrate CDC’s chicanery, Doshi observed that CDC’s announced number of reported pneumonia and influenza deaths in 2001 at 62,034. Yet less than half of one percent of those were actually attributed to influenza. Furthermore, of the mere 257 cases that could reasonably be blamed on the flu in CDC’s mortality data, only 7 percent were laboratory confirmed cases of influenza... Dr. Doshi charges the CDC with deliberately lying about annual flu deaths to “[work] in manufacturers’ interest by conducting campaigns to increase flu vaccination”. He warns that “by arbitrarily linking flu with pneumonia, current data are statistically biased.” '

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Even more worrisome, a study from January 18, 2018, in the Journal of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, PNAS, found that influenza vaccination actually increased transmission of the virus, with vaccinated individuals shedding more than six times as much aerosolized virus in their breath than unvaccinated individuals.

In their 2010 meta-analysis, the Cochrane researchers accused the CDC of deliberately misrepresenting the science in order to support their universal influenza vaccination recommendation... Multiple comprehensive federal investigations and whistleblower declarations have documented the corrupt relationship between the CDC’s Vaccine Branch and the four vaccine makers: Merck, Pfizer, Sanofi, and GSK. These include a 2000 report by the US Congress Government Oversight Committee , a 2009 report by the Federal HHS Inspector General, a 2014 letter by David Wright, Director of HHS Office of Research Integrity, and a 2011 letter to Carmen S. Villar, chief of staff for Tom Frieden, from an organization of CDC scientists calling itself “SPIDER”.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/flu-misinformation-and-coronavirus-fears-my-letter-to-dr-sanjay-gupta/

More on the CDC whistleblowers:

https://vaccineimpact.com/2017/cdc-scientist-whisteblowers-confirm-corruption-within-the-cdc/

Here's the letter:

Carmen S. Villar, MSW
Chief of Staff
Office of the Director
MS D­14
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
1600 Clifton Road
Atlanta, Georgia 30329­4027

August 29, 2016


Dear Ms. Villar:

We are a group of scientists at CDC that are very concerned about the current state of ethics at our agency. It appears that our mission is being influenced and shaped by outside parties and rogue interests. It seems that our mission and Congressional intent for our agency is being circumvented by some of our leaders. What concerns us most, is that it is becoming the norm and not the rare exception. Some senior management officials at CDC are clearly aware and even condone these behaviors. Others see it and turn the other way. Some staff are intimidated and pressed to do things they know are not right. We have representatives from across the agency that witness this unacceptable behavior. It occurs at all levels and in all of our respective units. These questionable and unethical practices threaten to undermine our credibility and reputation as a trusted leader in public health. We would like to see high ethical standards and thoughtful, responsible management restored at CDC. We are asking that you do your part to help clean up this house!

...We are often directed to do things we know are not right ...The lack of respect for science and scientists that support CDC’s legacy is astonishing.

https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/CDC_SPIDER_Letter-1.pdf

Saved this video to Google drive? Watch out:

https://reclaimthenet.org/google-drive-takes-down-user-file-plandemic/

And if you're unfortunate enough to be using Windows 10, beware those updates which might scan your hard drive and then delete it if found. Rename it.

waggawoody wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 12:04am:

And if you're unfortunate enough to be using Windows 10, beware those updates which might scan your hard drive and then delete it if found. Rename it.

Got a link for that?
Or is that just your paranoia talking?

The_Barnacle wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 11:09am:

waggawoody wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:04am: And if you're unfortunate enough to be using Windows 10, beware those updates which might scan your hard drive and then delete it if found. Rename it. Got a link for that? Or is that just your paranoia talking?

Good luck...

Robert Kennedy is no anti vax ffs. He himself is vaccinated.  ;D
To say he is an anti vaxxer means you are following the narrative of the companies he is trying to get to do their job properly. That's what they name him in order to cast negativity his way and hide his true message.

There is growing doubt around the world that jabbing humans with rubbish concocted from multiple different items is not good for us. Vaccinations are changing all the time.
Vaccine companies have had laws passed to not be held accountable for any abnormalities as a result of vaccine usage if proven the vaccine is to blame. They admit there may be some humans that suffer complications...but they have managed to bring immunity to themselves and hold no liability. That in itself screams doubt in what they are doing. Collateral damage is okay then.....when it suits.

But stay on the Kennedy anti vax train. It's an express train running down all possible questioning along the way.....toot toot.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 12:00pm:

Robert Kennedy is no anti vax ffs. He himself is vaccinated.  ;D To say he is an anti vaxxer means you are following the narrative of the companies he is trying to get to do their job properly. That's what they name him in order to cast negativity his way and hide his true message. There is growing doubt around the world that jabbing humans with rubbish concocted from multiple different items is not good for us. Vaccinations are changing all the time. Vaccine companies have had laws passed to not be held accountable for any abnormalities as a result of vaccine usage if proven the vaccine is to blame. They admit there may be some humans that suffer complications...but they have managed to bring immunity to themselves and hold no liability. That in itself screams doubt in what they are doing. Collateral damage is okay then.....when it suits. But stay on the Kennedy anti vax train. It's an express train running down all possible questioning along the way.....toot toot.

What? It's his narrative...


Quote:

Majority of anti-vaccine ads on Facebook were funded by two groups The majority of Facebook advertisements spreading misinformation about vaccines were funded by two anti-vaccine groups, including one led by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., according to a study published this week. The World Mercury Project, headed by Kennedy, and a California-based organization called Stop Mandatory Vaccination bought 54 percent of the anti-vaccine ads on Facebook, the study found.

Link

And The World Mercury Project, that's been renamed now to the Children's Health Defense, the same one that was being linked to here,


waggawoody wrote on May 20^th, 2020 at 1:41am:

For further information, see other Children’s Health Defense articles about measles:

He's also the executive producer of "Vaxxed II: The People's Truth", the 2019 sequel to Andrew Wakefield's and Del Bigtree's anti-vaccination documentary Vaxxed.

Plus all the anti-vaxxer articles he writes based on debunked and retracted studies...

If it quacks like a duck mate.

The_Barnacle wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 11:09am:

waggawoody wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:04am: And if you're unfortunate enough to be using Windows 10, beware those updates which might scan your hard drive and then delete it if found. Rename it. Got a link for that?

Microsoft's EULA grants Microsoft the rights to use any of your content related to the services like Bing, Cortana (a built-in file indexer and search in Windows 10), OneDrive or Skype: "you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content". You can read Microsoft's response here which paints everything in a positive light however after Snowden's leaks it's hard if not impossible to take them seriously.

https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html

After that why would you trust them?

SadKangaroo wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 2:02pm:

all the anti-vaxxer articles he writes based on debunked and retracted studies...

What debunked and retracted studies?

'I carefully source all of my statements about vaccines to government databases or peer-reviewed publications' - Robert F. Kennedy Jr.