Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, of Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield, California, recently posted their video to YouTube but it was deleted - after 5 million views!

Here's a partial transcript:

Dr. Dan Erickson: There's a 0.03% chance of dying from covid-19 in the state of California. Does that necessitate shutting down medical systems? Does that necessitate people being out of work?  96% of people in California who get covid-19 recover with no significant continuing medical problems ... We're not wearing masks, why is that? Because we understand microbiology, we understand immunology, and we want strong immune systems ... We've both been in ER, through swine flu, through bird flu, did we shutdown for those? Were they less dangerous than covid? Is the flu less dangerous than covid? Let's look at the death rates. No, it's not. They're similar in prevalence and in death rate. When someone dies in this country now ... the first question is, did they die from covid? We've been to hundreds of autopsies ... covid is not the reason they died, it is one of many reasons; it's so simplistic to say that's a covid death. But ER doctors now say,  you know, when we're writing the death report, we're being pressured to add covid - why is that? Why are we being pressured to add covid, to maybe increase the numbers? I think so ... (my colleagues) say we are being pressured to add covid to the diagnostic list when we think it has nothing to do with the actual cause of death. The actual cause of death was not covid.


Guest: Are you saying it's not necessary for healthy individuals to be quarantined?


Dr. Artin Massihi: Yes, if you're young and healthy why would you quarantine yourself? It doesn't make any sense. You quarantine the ill.


Dr. Dan Erickson: There are two ways to get rid of a virus: either it burns itself out or we develop herd immunity. For hundreds of years we relied on herd immunity. Viruses kill people, end of story. The flu kills people, covid kills people. But for the rest of us we develop herd immunity. We develop the ability to take this virus in and defeat it and for the vast majority, 95% of those around the globe, this is true. And when we look at people who have locked down and at people who haven't locked down, and we have massive data, it is not statistically significant whether you lock down or not. So why are we doing it? The data is showing it;s time to lift the lock down, So if we don't lift it, what is the reason? ... I can go into Costgo and shop with people, and there's probably a couple of hundred people, but I can't go into Cafe Rio. So big businesses are open, little businesses are not. There's no science behind that ... there are other factors in play which we don't have time to go into now, but it's not science. I want to make that clear.


Dr. Artin Massihi: One thing that's being televised is that we need to capture every single covid patient. No we don't .. It would be nice to capture every patient but is that realistic? Are we going to keep the economy shut down for two years and vaccinate everybody? That's an unrealistic expectation ... You're going to cause financial ruin, domestic violence, suicide ... We need to treat this like the flu and eventually this will mutate and become less and less virulent ... Going outside is healthy; why can't you go to the park and walk around but you can go to Home Depot and everybody's not wearing a mask? It doesn't make sense; the inconsistencies and incongruities make no sense, that's the bottom line ...  By wearing a mask and gloves friendly bacteria which protect you ... will end up going away and you're more likely to get opportunistic infections ... because you no longer have good bugs fighting for you.

Washington Times: Coronavirus hype biggest political hoax in history

The new coronavirus is real.

The response to the coronavirus is hyped. And in time, this hype will be revealed as politically hoaxed.

In fact, COVID-19 will go down as one of the political world’s biggest, most shamefully overblown, overhyped, overly and irrationally inflated and outright deceptively flawed responses to a health matter in American history, one that was carried largely on the lips of medical professionals who have no business running a national economy or government.

The facts are this: COVID-19 is a real disease that sickens some, proves fatal to others, mostly the elderly — and does nothing to the vast majority.

That’s it.

That, in a nutshell, is it.

Or, in the words of Dan Erickson and Artin Massih, doctors and co-owners of Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield, California: Let’s get the country reopened — and now.

“Do we need to still shelter in place? Our answer is emphatically no. Do we need businesses to be shut down? Emphatically no. … [T]he data is showing it’s time to lift,” Erickson said, in a recent interview.

He’s right. They’re right.

The data to keep America closed and Americans closed in simply doesn’t exist.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

More mike more fake conspiracy theories.

Fact is that there are a lot more corona virus deaths than recorded, at least 30%.

Quote:

..........  CLOSED CASES 1,236,501 Cases which had an outcome: 1,007,988 (82%)  Recovered / Discharged 228,513 (18%) Deaths       ..........

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Shows an 18% mortality rate

exactly


In fact, COVID-19 will go down as one of the political world’s biggest, most shamefully overblown, overhyped, overly and irrationally inflated and outright deceptively flawed responses to a health matter in American history, one that was carried largely on the lips of medical professionals who have no business running a national economy or government.

i'm surprised all the lefties arent still cowering under the table waiting for Y2K to pass   ;D ;D ;D

Dnarever wrote on Apr 30^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:

More mike more fake conspiracy theories. Fact is that there are a lot more corona virus deaths than recorded, at least 30%.

if the case fatality rate comes in at over 1 % i'm out of here  :D :D

aquascoot wrote on Apr 30^th, 2020 at 9:16pm:

i'm surprised all the lefties arent still cowering under the table waiting for Y2K to pass   ;D ;D ;D

Lefty Virus, innit.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 30^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:

More mike

I don't know what you mean.


Quote:

more fake conspiracy theories

So when Dr. Erickson says, '(my colleagues) say we are being pressured to add covid to the diagnostic list when we think it has nothing to do with the actual cause of death. The actual cause of death was not covid', are you suggesting he's lying?

And please explain why people are being told to quarantine themselves at home when there is no science behind that. None at all. 

And, when there's a 0.03% chance of dying from covid-19 in the state of California, why does that necessitate shutting down medical systems or putting people out of work and ruining the economy?


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Fact is that there are a lot more corona virus deaths than recorded, at least 30%.

Fact is Dr. Erickson and Dr. Massihi have studied the data of over 5000 people and extrapolated that to cover the entire population of California, and have come up with that 0.03% figure.

Anyone who wants to watch the 51 min. presentation can download the original mp4 video here (right click, save as). But be warned, it's over 900mb.

Shame on youtube for removing it. That's proof what those doctors are saying is true, otherwise youtube would've left it up.

Another fake covid death:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jGb7O7qnwo&feature=emb_logo

The doctor's bubble-wrap baby analogy is perfectly valid. Do you keep newborn babies in bubble-wrap until they reach adulthood? Of course not. You expose them to their surrounding environment. That's how they build immunity.

Indeed, the instinct of small children to put things in their mouth develops the immune system.

wombatwoody wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 1:57am:

The doctor's bubble-wrap baby analogy is perfectly valid. Do you keep newborn babies in bubble-wrap until they reach adulthood? Of course not. You expose them to their surrounding environment. That's how they build immunity. Indeed, the instinct of small children to put things in their mouth develops the immune system.

Excellent wombat I shall start a new thread about this

There are many people trying to claim that people are dying "with" Covid-19 rather than because of it. There are also those saying that it kills mostly the old and the frail who were just about to die anyway.

An easy way to assess this is to look at a countries overall death rate from all causes (which stays pretty constant) and compare it to the number of deaths since the beginning of March when the Covid-19 pandemic started

Sweden has 18% more deaths than normal
UK has 33% more deaths than normal
Spain has 67% more deaths than normal
New York City has an extraordinary 309% more deaths than normal

Even more disturbingly the official Covid-19 death toll is less than the extra unaccounted for deaths
This is because the official toll only accounts for those who died with confirmed cases of Covid-19 in hospital
So there are actually thousands of people who have died in nursing homes and in the streets of Covid-19 who aren't included in the stats.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

46,000 Missing Deaths:
Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Outbreak


At least 40,000 more people have died during the coronavirus pandemic over the last month than the official Covid-19 death counts report, a review of mortality data in 12 countries shows — providing a clearer, if still incomplete, picture of the toll of the crisis.

In the last month, far more people died in these countries than in previous years, The New York Times found. The totals include deaths from Covid-19 as well as those from other causes, likely including people who could not be treated as hospitals became overwhelmed.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dr.+Dan+Erickson+and+Dr.+Artin+Massihi


From being censored, these guys seem to have turned into media whores.

YouTube have announced that any clips which do not fall into the mainstream narrative
Of coronavirus being a devastating and catastrophic species ending virus

Will be deleted from YouTube immediately

So are we really getting a balanced view of this piss weak virus
Which has not even accounted for 100 deaths in Australia yet
And seems to knock off the 95 year olds
Who would probably be knocked off by a common cold

Seems like YouTube and the other social media barons
Quite enjoy and profit from the destruction of the self-reliant and resilient self actualised noble human being

Deaths in USA    63,856.
Deaths in the world    234,042.

Total number of confirmed cases
3,269,800.

Death rate in France = 18.8%
Death rate of Spanish flu was 1%.
This virus is catastrophic.

https://coronaboard.com/

The death rate from coronavirus would not be anywhere near 18%. Even 1.8% would be a high figure. But, France having an ageing population is probably correct. Everywhere else would be closer to 0.1%.

First of all, this is a brand new virus.  There is doubt that people can develop long last immunity to make herd immunity work.  You cant just experiment, people's lives depending on it.

As to the death rate, its very unreliable. However, regardless of what the death rate is, just look at the real time footage from the epicentres.  Italy, England, New York, Wuhan.  The local health care systems are absolutely SWAMPED.  And that is only a small fraction of population being infected before full shut down starts.  So one would only wonder, if you let it 'rip' through the population, and see what the world would be like.

A brand new virus also meant we dont know if the infection can cause long term consquences.  For example, glandular fever - the EBV can cause chronic fatigue, Chicken pox virus can cause shingles and post herpetic pains.  Ross river virus and its cousin Barmah forest virus can cause arthritis.   And there are host of conditions that human suffer like rheumatoid arthritis, Ig A nephropathy that scientists believe they may have an viral aetiology. 

Until we have all these information, I do not think we can risk it.

Wake up people.


https://youtu.be/uVPvv_5UISU

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 10:07am:

YouTube have announced that any clips which do not fall into the mainstream narrative Of coronavirus being a devastating and catastrophic species ending virus Will be deleted from YouTube immediately So are we really getting a balanced view of this piss weak virus Which has not even accounted for 100 deaths in Australia yet And seems to knock off the 95 year olds Who would probably be knocked off by a common cold Seems like YouTube and the other social media barons Quite enjoy and profit from the destruction of the self-reliant and resilient self actualised noble human being

Have you ever considered that perhaps you are the one that's wrong?
Do you really think that you are that much smarter than the worlds leaders, medical professionals and scientists?
Or are you just some keyboard jockey pushing his political agenda?

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 12:43pm:

The death rate from coronavirus would not be anywhere near 18%. Even 1.8% would be a high figure. But, France having an ageing population is probably correct. Everywhere else would be closer to 0.1%.

Quote:

...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

tickleandrose wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 12:53pm:

First of all, this is a brand new virus.  There is doubt that people can develop long last immunity to make herd immunity work.  You cant just experiment, people's lives depending on it. As to the death rate, its very unreliable. However, regardless of what the death rate is, just look at the real time footage from the epicentres.  Italy, England, New York, Wuhan.  The local health care systems are absolutely SWAMPED.  And that is only a small fraction of population being infected before full shut down starts.  So one would only wonder, if you let it 'rip' through the population, and see what the world would be like. A brand new virus also meant we dont know if the infection can cause long term consquences.  For example, glandular fever - the EBV can cause chronic fatigue, Chicken pox virus can cause shingles and post herpetic pains.  Ross river virus and its cousin Barmah forest virus can cause arthritis.   And there are host of conditions that human suffer like rheumatoid arthritis, Ig A nephropathy that scientists believe they may have an viral aetiology.  Until we have all these information, I do not think we can risk it.

I agree.

The world has eradicated leprosy, we can do the same with this.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 4:27pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 12:43pm: The death rate from coronavirus would not be anywhere near 18%. Even 1.8% would be a high figure. But, France having an ageing population is probably correct. Everywhere else would be closer to 0.1%. Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Your maths is off. There are 3,308,901 cases of coronavirus, as of this writing. 234,139 people have died so far. That is roughly 7% of people who have had the virus have died. 1,042,995 people have recovered. 1,277,134 people have either recovered or died from the virus. That is 38.6% of people who have had one conclusive stage of the virus or the other. 61% of people who have had the virus are still infected.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 4:30pm:

The world has eradicated leprosy, we can do the same with this.

Leprosy has not been eradicated. Try India for examples of where that virus still exists.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 4:27pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 12:43pm: The death rate from coronavirus would not be anywhere near 18%. Even 1.8% would be a high figure. But, France having an ageing population is probably correct. Everywhere else would be closer to 0.1%. Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

18%  death rate!

Why are people trying to downplay such a serious virus?

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 6:56pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:27pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 12:43pm: The death rate from coronavirus would not be anywhere near 18%. Even 1.8% would be a high figure. But, France having an ageing population is probably correct. Everywhere else would be closer to 0.1%. Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 18%  death rate! Why are people trying to downplay such a serious virus?

how much you want to bet me.
i'll take any bet that it comes in at under 1 %

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 6:56pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:27pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 12:43pm: The death rate from coronavirus would not be anywhere near 18%. Even 1.8% would be a high figure. But, France having an ageing population is probably correct. Everywhere else would be closer to 0.1%. Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 18%  death rate! Why are people trying to downplay such a serious virus?

are you talking about PEOPLE on here bobs?? all these experts on everything.. ::) ::)

its hard to keep up..

its more a case of who thinks they are the bigger expert to be honest....  you know ego massaging..

no one will ever know the true cost of this virus.....thats why we have to make sure it never happens again...

counting the dead is not the only cost.... >:( >:( >:(

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 7:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 6:56pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:27pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 12:43pm: The death rate from coronavirus would not be anywhere near 18%. Even 1.8% would be a high figure. But, France having an ageing population is probably correct. Everywhere else would be closer to 0.1%. Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 18%  death rate! Why are people trying to downplay such a serious virus? how much you want to bet me. i'll take any bet that it comes in at under 1 %

I have made my point bobby?   

its ego massaging  a need to be RIGHT at all costs..

go away aqua betting on deaths is not normal... >:( >:( >:(

cods wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 7:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 6:56pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:27pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 12:43pm: The death rate from coronavirus would not be anywhere near 18%. Even 1.8% would be a high figure. But, France having an ageing population is probably correct. Everywhere else would be closer to 0.1%. Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 18%  death rate! Why are people trying to downplay such a serious virus? are you talking about PEOPLE on here bobs?? all these experts on everything.. ::) ::) its hard to keep up.. its more a case of who thinks they are the bigger expert to be honest....  you know ego massaging.. no one will ever know the true cost of this virus.....thats why we have to make sure it never happens again... counting the dead is not the only cost.... >:( >:( >:(

oh good grief,

how on earth do you propose doing that  ::) ::) ::) ::)

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 5:19pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:30pm: The world has eradicated leprosy, we can do the same with this. Leprosy has not been eradicated. Try India for examples of where that virus still exists.

Sorry, I was unaware of that

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 7:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 6:56pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:27pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 12:43pm: The death rate from coronavirus would not be anywhere near 18%. Even 1.8% would be a high figure. But, France having an ageing population is probably correct. Everywhere else would be closer to 0.1%. Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 18%  death rate! Why are people trying to downplay such a serious virus? how much you want to bet me. i'll take any bet that it comes in at under 1 %

It depends on what group you look at.

In nursing homes it appears to be higher than a 50% death rate.

I suppose for kids it would be only 0.1 %   ?

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 5:18pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:27pm: Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Your maths is off. There are 3,308,901 cases of coronavirus, as of this writing. 234,139 people have died so far. That is roughly 7% of people who have had the virus have died. 1,042,995 people have recovered. 1,277,134 people have either recovered or died from the virus. That is 38.6% of people who have had one conclusive stage of the virus or the other. 61% of people who have had the virus are still infected.

Those were not my calculations, but I agree with them.
To round the figures off, there are 3 million cases of this virus.
1 million have been resolved, one way or another.
2 million people still have an active case of it.

I do not know what will happen to the 2 million active cases.


Of the 1 million resolved cases, 200K have died.
About 20%.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 5:19pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:30pm: The world has eradicated leprosy, we can do the same with this. Leprosy has not been eradicated. Try India for examples of where that virus still exists. Sorry, I was unaware of that

I might have been distracted when I wrote this. But, I should say that I know that the virus was still apparent in India in the late 1990s.

Chances are, the virus could have been eradicated since then.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 7:27pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 5:18pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:27pm: Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Your maths is off. There are 3,308,901 cases of coronavirus, as of this writing. 234,139 people have died so far. That is roughly 7% of people who have had the virus have died. 1,042,995 people have recovered. 1,277,134 people have either recovered or died from the virus. That is 38.6% of people who have had one conclusive stage of the virus or the other. 61% of people who have had the virus are still infected. Those were not my calculations, but I agree with them. To round the figures off, there are 3 million cases of this virus. 1 million have been resolved, one way or another. 2 million people still have an active case of it. I do not know what will happen to the 2 million active cases. Of the 1 million resolved cases, 200K have died. About 20%.

You don't do percentages based on a percentage of a percentage. You do a total count. And then you do a percentage of recovered and/or deceased numbers compared to a total. What if all of those still infected make a recovery? Would that bump those percentage dead down to 5%?

I bet many of those that died come from countries where the health care system is busted, or for those that can afford it.

Australia has had 93 dead out of 6,767 cases. 1.3% death rate. That is, if you assume that there are only 6,767 cases of coronavirus in this country.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 10:21pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 7:27pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 5:18pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:27pm: Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Your maths is off. There are 3,308,901 cases of coronavirus, as of this writing. 234,139 people have died so far. That is roughly 7% of people who have had the virus have died. 1,042,995 people have recovered. 1,277,134 people have either recovered or died from the virus. That is 38.6% of people who have had one conclusive stage of the virus or the other. 61% of people who have had the virus are still infected. Those were not my calculations, but I agree with them. To round the figures off, there are 3 million cases of this virus. 1 million have been resolved, one way or another. 2 million people still have an active case of it. I do not know what will happen to the 2 million active cases. Of the 1 million resolved cases, 200K have died. About 20%. You don't do percentages based on a percentage of a percentage. You do a total count. And then you do a percentage of recovered and/or deceased numbers compared to a total. What if all of those still infected make a recovery? Would that bump those percentage dead down to 5%? I bet many of those that died come from countries where the health care system is busted, or for those that can afford it. Australia has had 93 dead out of 6,767 cases. 1.3% death rate. That is, if you assume that there are only 6,767 cases of coronavirus in this country.

thats a truly terrible number.

we have been so scared that we have only had that many infections amd so we have about 26 , 993,000 cases to go (assuming we have a pop of 27 million).

if we dont get a vaccine and we dont get treatment (which we may well not get) then at this rate we have 1000's of years to go .

rediculous.

the idea was to flatten the curve.

sweden has NOT been overwhelemed and has a steady flow of patients which it can cope with and a much better economy.

we are back to the start.
when we ease WHICH WE MUST, we have made zero progress and all the pain is still in front of us.

talk about dumb .

unless you think its gone forever, never to return  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::).

All I know is that my Central Queensland region is now coronavirus free. We are looking to opening up the region for work and leisure very soon. Only 8 cases of coronavirus since this all started.

aquascoot wrote on May 2^nd, 2020 at 6:09am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 10:21pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 7:27pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 5:18pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:27pm: Quote: ...... CLOSED CASES 1,277,126 Cases which had an outcome: 1,042,993 (82%) Recovered / Discharged 234,133 (18%) Deaths         .....  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Your maths is off. There are 3,308,901 cases of coronavirus, as of this writing. 234,139 people have died so far. That is roughly 7% of people who have had the virus have died. 1,042,995 people have recovered. 1,277,134 people have either recovered or died from the virus. That is 38.6% of people who have had one conclusive stage of the virus or the other. 61% of people who have had the virus are still infected. Those were not my calculations, but I agree with them. To round the figures off, there are 3 million cases of this virus. 1 million have been resolved, one way or another. 2 million people still have an active case of it. I do not know what will happen to the 2 million active cases. Of the 1 million resolved cases, 200K have died. About 20%. You don't do percentages based on a percentage of a percentage. You do a total count. And then you do a percentage of recovered and/or deceased numbers compared to a total. What if all of those still infected make a recovery? Would that bump those percentage dead down to 5%? I bet many of those that died come from countries where the health care system is busted, or for those that can afford it. Australia has had 93 dead out of 6,767 cases. 1.3% death rate. That is, if you assume that there are only 6,767 cases of coronavirus in this country. thats a truly terrible number. we have been so scared that we have only had that many infections amd so we have about 26 , 993,000 cases to go (assuming we have a pop of 27 million). if we dont get a vaccine and we dont get treatment (which we may well not get) then at this rate we have 1000's of years to go . rediculous. the idea was to flatten the curve. sweden has NOT been overwhelemed and has a steady flow of patients which it can cope with and a much better economy. we are back to the start. when we ease WHICH WE MUST, we have made zero progress and all the pain is still in front of us. talk about dumb . unless you think its gone forever, never to return  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::).

the only way it could be gone not to return is not to allow travel ever again

Spot

Spot you have hit the nail on the head

At the rate of Australians currently being exposed
We will all have been exposed and can relax in approximately 800 years ::) :D

That's a a long time to go before we can travel

UnSubRocky wrote on May 2^nd, 2020 at 6:41am:

All I know is that my Central Queensland region is now coronavirus free. We are looking to opening up the region for work and leisure very soon. Only 8 cases of coronavirus since this all started.

Good news

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 10:21pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 7:27pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 5:18pm: Your maths is off. There are 3,308,901 cases of coronavirus, as of this writing. 234,139 people have died so far. That is roughly 7% of people who have had the virus have died. 1,042,995 people have recovered. 1,277,134 people have either recovered or died from the virus. That is 38.6% of people who have had one conclusive stage of the virus or the other. 61% of people who have had the virus are still infected. Those were not my calculations, but I agree with them. To round the figures off, there are 3 million cases of this virus. 1 million have been resolved, one way or another. 2 million people still have an active case of it. I do not know what will happen to the 2 million active cases. Of the 1 million resolved cases, 200K have died. About 20%. You don't do percentages based on a percentage of a percentage. You do a total count. And then you do a percentage of recovered and/or deceased numbers compared to a total. What if all of those still infected make a recovery? Would that bump those percentage dead down to 5%? I bet many of those that died come from countries where the health care system is busted, or for those that can afford it. Australia has had 93 dead out of 6,767 cases. 1.3% death rate. That is, if you assume that there are only 6,767 cases of coronavirus in this country.

I do see your point of view.
Yes, if there are no more deaths the mortality rate will drop.


Of the 2 million active cases of covid worldwide I expect there will be some deaths.
From the 1 million resolved cases there were 200,000 deaths.
I extrapolate this and see 400,000 more deaths from the 2 million active cases.
Maintaining the mortality rate at 20%

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 11:35am:

Deaths in USA    63,856. Deaths in the world    234,042. Total number of confirmed cases 3,269,800. Death rate in France = 18.8% Death rate of Spanish flu was 1%. This virus is catastrophic. https://coronaboard.com/

UnSubRocky wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 12:43pm:

The death rate from coronavirus would not be anywhere near 18%. Even 1.8% would be a high figure. But, France having an ageing population is probably correct. Everywhere else would be closer to 0.1%.

Bobby is just being hysterical. He continues to post it even though it has been pointed out numerous times why he is wrong. He is just after attention.

The "stats" we see should be treated with caution.
The confirmed cases are only those that have tested positive. This figure will be much lower than the reality, especially in countries that don't do much testing.
The deaths figure is only those who have tested positive and died in a hospital. This figure is also much lower than the reality as many people die outside of hospitals, especially those with over run hospital systems    

Just a reminder leprosy is not caused by a virus

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dr.+Dan+Erickson+and+Dr.+Artin+Massihi From being censored, these guys seem to have turned into media whores.

https://i1.wp.com/aim4truth.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/removed-video.jpg?w=828&ssl=1

There's another version on youtube with over 300K views but the original was pulled because 5 million was just too much for them to bear it seems. Like the old adage, You can have freedom of speech as long as not many are listening.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 2^nd, 2020 at 5:20pm:

Just a reminder leprosy is not caused by a virus

Ah, yes, true. So entirely different beast

Feds classifying all coronavirus patient deaths as ‘COVID-19’ deaths, regardless of cause

'The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone’s life.

'Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite.'

This vindicates Dr. Ercikson:

But ER doctors now say,  you know, when we're writing the death report, we're being pressured to add covid - why is that? Why are we being pressured to add covid, to maybe increase the numbers? I think so ... (my colleagues) say we are being pressured to add covid to the diagnostic list when we think it has nothing to do with the actual cause of death. The actual cause of death was not covid.

As this outbreak continues, some interesting points are being made. One of the latest comes from Dr. Eran Bendavid and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, two professors of medicine at Stanford University who recently published an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal entitled, “Is the coronavirus as deadly as they say?”

They make it quite clear that if the projections being given by the World Health Organization are correct, then “the extraordinary measures being carried out in cities and states around the country are surely justified.” But they also make the point that “there’s little evidence to confirm that premise – and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.”

    “Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate – 2% to %4 of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others. So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, two million to four million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases.”–Dr. Eran Bendavid and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya

Multiple Stanford Medical Professors Question If COVID-19 Is Really “As Deadly As They Say”

Watch it before it gets pulled again:

https://youtu.be/vJprwe_rWeM

wombatwoody wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 2:40am:

Watch it before it gets pulled again: https://youtu.be/vJprwe_rWeM

Great vid.

How do we get the controlled to crawl out from under their bed and wake up?
That is the hard part. They're programmed to scream insults at you when you say...FFS, WAKE UP!
Over 3b people locked down in a matter of weeks.

One poster in here wants us to go lick handrails, hopes certain people die from it, wants permanent lock down.
That is some messed up thinking. Totally controlled mind hiding under their bed getting pissed out of their brain.....because in their mind bottle shops are essential.  ;D
Drunks and drug addicts should be locked down forever.

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Meanwhile..

Leftist Governors and Mayors..

We will throw you in Jail...  >:(

https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1256812242479153152

aquascoot wrote on May 2^nd, 2020 at 11:04am:

Spot you have hit the nail on the head At the rate of Australians currently being exposed We will all have been exposed and can relax in approximately 800 years ::) :D That's a a long time to go before we can travel

we have no idea how many Australians have been exposed, regardless of the transmission rate the virus does not seem to be affecting Australians in the same way it is or has in other countries. Australia did not suspend airline traffic from China until early February, that means many Chinese were freely travelling from the epicentre of the virus for at least 2 months to Australia and the rest of the world after it started being transmitted in China. But we didnt end up with the rapid transmission, large infection rates  and consequent high mortality rate other countries had. At least we dont know yet if we had the first two. So common logic would say that if Chinese people were travelling to and spreading this virus all over the world they were doing it here too.   We still dont know why we have such a low mortality rate, the mortality rate is also based only on known cases. The other interesting thing is that  certain ethnic groups seem to have a much higher mortality rate. For all we know we may already built up herd immunity given that on a world average 80 percent of people wont even know they have it and then they recover.  I wouldnt presume anything until large scale antibody testing is conducted. There are also a lot of factors involved in the mortality rate of this thing it seems. Indians dont seem to be getting walloped by this but their cultural hygiene practises are appalling. One theory is that the heat retards transmission but the Indonesians have a huge mortality rate. Anyone who claims to know everything about this virus is a fool.

omg not another Trump thread...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

dont you ever get sick and tired of repeating yourselves...

:-/ :-/

rhino wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 4:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 2nd, 2020 at 11:04am: Spot you have hit the nail on the head At the rate of Australians currently being exposed We will all have been exposed and can relax in approximately 800 years ::) :D That's a a long time to go before we can travel we have no idea how many Australians have been exposed, regardless of the transmission rate the virus does not seem to be affecting Australians in the same way it is or has in other countries. Australia did not suspend airline traffic from China until early February, that means many Chinese were freely travelling from the epicentre of the virus for at least 2 months to Australia and the rest of the world after it started being transmitted in China. But we didnt end up with the rapid transmission, large infection rates  and consequent high mortality rate other countries had. At least we dont know yet if we had the first two. So common logic would say that if Chinese people were travelling to and spreading this virus all over the world they were doing it here too.   We still dont know why we have such a low mortality rate, the mortality rate is also based only on known cases. The other interesting thing is that  certain ethnic groups seem to have a much higher mortality rate. For all we know we may already built up herd immunity given that on a world average 80 percent of people wont even know they have it and then they recover.  I wouldnt presume anything until large scale antibody testing is conducted. There are also a lot of factors involved in the mortality rate of this thing it seems. Indians dont seem to be getting walloped by this but their cultural hygiene practises are appalling. One theory is that the heat retards transmission but the Indonesians have a huge mortality rate. Anyone who claims to know everything about this virus is a fool.

We were in Summer where viruses have a lower contagion index. So it has not been the same virus in Australia. Things are about to get interesting as the temperature drops and this thing become about 10X more contagious.


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Indians dont seem to be getting walloped by this but their cultural hygiene practises are appalling

India has been slowly and consistently increasing, they are not at their peak yet. They may end up among the worst affected. Their government did nothing went into a 3 week shutdown unreasonably and with no notice are not testing and have no real plan they do not have the health services needed and the expansion will likely end up a logarithmic increasing curve.  They may end up one of the worst disaster stories.

No. Indias mortality rate is staying very low, lowest in the world. Dont confuse transmission rate with the mortality rate.

Dnarever wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 5:24pm:

We were in Summer where viruses have a lower contagion index. So it has not been the same virus in Australia. Things are about to get interesting as the temperature drops and this thing become about 10X more contagious. .

And as I have shown, summer is not the determining factor, it may be one of many factors. Indian mortality rate is very low, Indonesias is very high, both are hot countries.

Some of India's low death rate might be explained by the fact that according to the Indian govt, only 22% of deaths in India are medically certified. Most deaths occur at home and go unreported.

Blacks have high immunity to the Yellow man's disease. ;D

Lol, Irrelevant John. We are talking mortality rate, not infection rate. If they are not diagnosed then of course they are not included in the mortality rate from Corona. Statistics are worked out by taking samples,. People dying who are undiagosed of Corona dont skew mortality rate statistics from Corona.

Jasin wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 6:27pm:

Blacks have high immunity to the Yellow man's disease. ;D

Thats another thing, blacks are dying from this virus in the US way out of proportion, about 3 times the rate of any other group.

rhino wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 7:30pm:

Jasin wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 6:27pm: Blacks have high immunity to the Yellow man's disease. ;D Thats another thing, blacks are dying from this virus in the US way out of proportion, about 3 times the rate of any other group.

Link?

Actually 6 times the mortality rate, 3 times the infection rate.


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The coronavirus is infecting and killing black Americans at an alarmingly high rate A Post analysis of available data and census demographics shows that counties that are majority-black have three times the rate of infections and almost six times the rate of deaths as counties where white residents are in the majority.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/07/coronavirus-is-infecting-killing-black-americans-an-alarmingly-high-rate-post-analysis-shows/?arc404=true

cods wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 4:35pm:

omg not another Trump thread...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz dont you ever get sick and tired of repeating yourselves... :-/ :-/

It started life trying to defend trump. A couple of Doctors with an personal financial interest released some raw data that goes against all the other data released and thus has been condemned by science in general.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 8:06pm:

rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 7:30pm: Jasin wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 6:27pm: Blacks have high immunity to the Yellow man's disease. ;D Thats another thing, blacks are dying from this virus in the US way out of proportion, about 3 times the rate of any other group. Link?

They live in the most densely populated centres are highly numbered in the essential services sector as workers in shops markets hospitals etc.

They live in areas with the lowest medical assistance ratio's are highly numbers in the group with no medical coverage and on and on.
New York have the highest number of cases and deaths due to the density of the population the Bronx is predominantly black and the highest density part of the most dense city.

They are the most vulnerable the least protected and the most exposed.

rhino wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 5:35pm:

No. Indias mortality rate is staying very low, lowest in the world. Dont confuse transmission rate with the mortality rate.

India about 40,000 confirmed cases 1,300 deaths

3.25%

That is low ?

Looks as bad as any to me.

Italian MP, Sgarbi denounces the Statistical Fraud on COVID-19

Vittorio Sgarbi, denounces the closure of 60% of the businesses for 25,000 COVID-19 Deaths, of which the National Institute of Health says 96.3% died NOT of COVID-19 but of other pathologies. That means only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things. He says false statistics are being used to terrorize the citizens of Italy and establish a dictatorship...

Vittorio Sgarbi is a member of the Forza Italia Party, from Emilia Romana. The head of his party is Berlusconi.

And:

DR. FABIO FRANCHI: THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS THAT COVID-19 IS CAUSING THE PANDEMIC

...the official procedure to diagnose anyone as having COVID-19 ignores any attempt to see if there is a correlation between having COVID-19 and having the symptoms for which the patient is being treated! This goes contrary to all medical practice and all scientific principles. But, such a methodology does serve promoting panic and creating what appears to be a statistical record that there is a COVID-19 pandemic and that COVID-19 is the cause, by lumping all those with symptoms of the winter flue into the same category as all those whose test shows they are positive for COVID-19!

Dnarever wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 11:42pm:

rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 5:35pm: No. Indias mortality rate is staying very low, lowest in the world. Dont confuse transmission rate with the mortality rate. India about 40,000 confirmed cases 1,300 deaths 3.25% That is low ? Looks as bad as any to me.

their testing rate is tiny.

wombatwoody wrote on May 9^th, 2020 at 12:51am:

Italian MP, Sgarbi denounces the Statistical Fraud on COVID-19 Vittorio Sgarbi, denounces the closure of 60% of the businesses for 25,000 COVID-19 Deaths, of which the National Institute of Health says 96.3% died NOT of COVID-19 but of other pathologies. That means only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things. He says false statistics are being used to terrorize the citizens of Italy and establish a dictatorship... Vittorio Sgarbi is a member of the Forza Italia Party, from Emilia Romana. The head of his party is Berlusconi. And: DR. FABIO FRANCHI: THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS THAT COVID-19 IS CAUSING THE PANDEMIC ...the official procedure to diagnose anyone as having COVID-19 ignores any attempt to see if there is a correlation between having COVID-19 and having the symptoms for which the patient is being treated! This goes contrary to all medical practice and all scientific principles. But, such a methodology does serve promoting panic and creating what appears to be a statistical record that there is a COVID-19 pandemic and that COVID-19 is the cause, by lumping all those with symptoms of the winter flue into the same category as all those whose test shows they are positive for COVID-19!

Then there should be no need to pressure doctors into writing cause of death as covid19....yet there is, not to mention the financial gain from doing so.
Doctors are speaking out all over the world....as are the families of those that have died.

People are waking up....it's to late to cover this so called crisis in propaganda from health departments funded by bill gates and his ilk.

Deborah Birx reportedly tells task force she can trust "nothing from the CDC"

According to a Washington Post report, a coronavirus task force meeting this week grew especially heated:

Dr. Deborah Birx reportedly made the comments during a Wednesday meeting.

"During a task force meeting Wednesday, a heated discussion broke out between Deborah Birx, the physician who oversees the administration's coronavirus response, and Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Birx and others were frustrated with the CDC's antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent, according to four people present for the discussion or later briefed on it. Two senior administration officials said the discussion was not heated," the newspaper reported.

"There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust," Birx reportedly said, according to two of the people.

The president of Tanzania sent samples from fruit, goats, and other random things and they all tested positive for coronavirus.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/06/faulty-coronavirus-kits-suspected-as-goat-and-fruit-test-positive-in-tanzania/

Magufuli claimed he tried to vet the quality of the disease-detection equipment, which was reportedly imported from abroad, by having his security forces obtain random samples from goats, sheep and a local fruit called a pawpaw, Reuters reported. The sub-Saharan nation’s leader said he then assigned them human names and ages and delivered them to lab technicians who were purposefully unaware of their animal origins, in a bizarre blind test.

It was clear something was awry when both the goats and the pawpaw tested positive for the coronavirus...

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 3:52pm:

Meanwhile.. Leftist Governors and Mayors.. We will throw you in Jail...  >:( https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1256812242479153152

Praying Medic, lol, you're such a worthless QTard haha...

Montezuma County disputes state’s coronavirus death count

The Montezuma County Coroner’s Office is disputing the state’s claim of a third fatal case of the coronavirus in Cortez, saying the person died of alcohol poisoning.

County Coroner George Deavers said the person tested positive for COVID-19, but an investigation by him and the pathologist determined the cause of death was ethanol toxicity. The person’s blood-alcohol content was 0.55, or almost seven times the legal driving limit of 0.08 in Colorado, Deavers said. A BAC of 0.3 is considered lethal.

“COVID was not listed on the death certificate as the cause of death. I disagree with the state for listing it as a COVID death, and will be discussing it with them this week,” he said Tuesday...

“The person who died did not die from COVID-19, but they did test positive for the virus,” said county public information officer Vicki Shaffer. “The state is reporting that death as a COVID death, but our health department wanted to let people know that even though the person did have the virus, they did not die from it.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMSEHmeaNQ&feature=emb_logo

April 10, 2020 - Dr. Scott Jensen

Minnesota: Republican state senator Scott Jensen, who is also a medical doctor, says the AMA is encouraging doctors to over-count coronavirus deaths. He revealed that “Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you get $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much.”

Several days ago, he told local media he received a directive from the Minnesota Department of Health to list COVID-19 as the cause of death on death certificates even if patients were never tested for it. When asked why officials would want to inflate the death statistics, Jensen said, “Fear is a great way to control people, and I worry about that.”

The document mentioned by Jensen is from the CDC and is linked here.

US: Hospitals Get Paid $13K to List Patients as COVID-19 and $39K to Put Them on a Ventilator

;D
wombatwoody wrote on May 13^th, 2020 at 1:44am:

The president of Tanzania sent samples from fruit, goats, and other random things and they all tested positive for coronavirus. https://nypost.com/2020/05/06/faulty-coronavirus-kits-suspected-as-goat-and-fruit-test-positive-in-tanzania/ Magufuli claimed he tried to vet the quality of the disease-detection equipment, which was reportedly imported from abroad, by having his security forces obtain random samples from goats, sheep and a local fruit called a pawpaw, Reuters reported. The sub-Saharan nation’s leader said he then assigned them human names and ages and delivered them to lab technicians who were purposefully unaware of their animal origins, in a bizarre blind test. It was clear something was awry when both the goats and the pawpaw tested positive for the coronavirus...

Bwahahahahaha.
Good in him. How do they explain that one?
Poor pawpaw....now it's going to be added to the death stats for corona.  ;D

wombatwoody wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 2:15am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMSEHmeaNQ&feature=emb_logo April 10, 2020 - Dr. Scott Jensen Minnesota: Republican state senator Scott Jensen, who is also a medical doctor, says the AMA is encouraging doctors to over-count coronavirus deaths. He revealed that “Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you get $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much.” Several days ago, he told local media he received a directive from the Minnesota Department of Health to list COVID-19 as the cause of death on death certificates even if patients were never tested for it. When asked why officials would want to inflate the death statistics, Jensen said, “Fear is a great way to control people, and I worry about that.” The document mentioned by Jensen is from the CDC and is linked here. US: Hospitals Get Paid $13K to List Patients as COVID-19 and $39K to Put Them on a Ventilator

People are waking up.
Let's hope it happens quicker and quicker. Then we can fight back.

Fake Pandemic Numbers


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Fauci Testifies U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Likely Underreported “I don’t know the exact percent that it’s higher, but certainly, it’s higher,” the nation’s leading expert on infectious diseases told the Senate health committee

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... ri18n=true


there are a lot of fake numbers thrown around ... especially those trump uses

Captain Caveman wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 3:10pm:

People are waking up. Let's hope it happens quicker and quicker. Then we can fight back.

Fight back?   ;D

What are you gonna do?

wombatwoody wrote on May 3^rd, 2020 at 2:40am:

Watch it before it gets pulled again: https://youtu.be/vJprwe_rWeM

Well, whaddya know? It's gone again.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 17th, 2020 at 3:10pm: People are waking up. Let's hope it happens quicker and quicker. Then we can fight back. Fight back?   ;D What are you gonna do?

I think civil disobedience is the way to go. For a start, you can stop wearing masks in public. In the words of Dr. Erikson, from the OP, the vid of which youtube has banned yet again:  'We're not wearing masks, why is that? Because we understand microbiology, we understand immunology, and we want strong immune systems '

If you get stopped, you can repeat those words or say something like, I can show you dozens of medical experts who say wearing masks is at best ineffective and at worst do not stop transmission of the so-called virus and also weakens the immune system.

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Just How Inflated Are Coronavirus Death Counts, Exactly?
By Tyler O'Neil, May 15, 2020

Last month, New York funeral home directors blew the whistle about inflated coronavirus death numbers. Death certificates mark “COVID-19” as the cause of death even when the deceased hadn’t tested positive for coronavirus, much less actually died of the virus. This week, a San Diego county supervisor suggested the numbers are even more inflated.

“We’ve unfortunately had six pure, solely coronavirus deaths — six out of 3.3 million people,” County Supervisor Jim Desmond said on the radio show Armstrong & Getty Extra Large Interviews., The San Diego Union-Tribune reported. San Diego County had reported roughly 190 deaths at the time — the current number is 200.

Desmond went on to criticize California’s lockdown. “I mean, what number are we trying to get to with those odds. I mean, it’s incredible. We want to be safe, and we can do it, but unfortunately, it’s more about control than getting the economy going again and keeping people safe,” he said.

In short, Desmond was suggesting that while COVID-19 may have contributed to the 190 deaths, most of those deaths were due in part to previous, unrelated health concerns.

Indeed, the disease has proven most deadly for people with underlying health conditions, so it stands to reason that “pure, solely coronavirus deaths” would be the minority — perhaps even just 3.2 percent of the total recorded deaths, as Desmond suggested.

As of Friday afternoon, there have been 87,218 deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the U.S. If Desmond’s claim is accurate and if that 3.2 percent rate holds across the country, and discounting the death certificate inflation, that would mean there are only 2,891 “pure, solely coronavirus deaths” in the U.S...

The coronavirus anxiety and stress cost at least 7.5 times more in terms of years of life than the lockdowns could possibly save, according to Just Facts.

If Jim Desmond is correct about the low rate of “pure, solely coronavirus deaths,” then COVID-19 may take even fewer years of life from its victims, thus bolstering the case against the lockdowns even further.



Just How Inflated Are Coronavirus Death Counts, Exactly?

Also,

Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy

Posted By: Russell Blaylock, MD May 11, 2020

Dr. Russell Blaylock warns that not only do face masks fail to protect the healthy from getting sick, but they also create serious health risks to the wearer. The bottom line is that if you are not sick, you should not wear a face mask.

As businesses reopen, many are requiring shoppers and employees to wear a face mask. Costco, for instance, will not allow shoppers into the store without wearing a face mask. Many employers are requiring all employees to wear a face mask while at work. In some jurisdictions, all citizens must wear a face mask if they are outside of their own home.  ⁃ TN Editor

As for the scientific support for the use of face mask, a recent careful examination of the literature, in which 17 of the best studies were analyzed, concluded that, “ None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”1   Keep in mind, no studies have been done to demonstrate that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has any effect on transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Any recommendations, therefore, have to be based on studies of influenza virus transmission. And, as you have seen, there is no conclusive evidence of their efficiency in controlling flu virus transmission...

While most agree that the N95 mask can cause significant hypoxia and hypercapnia, another study of surgical masks found significant reductions in blood oxygen as well. In this study, researchers examined the blood oxygen levels in 53 surgeons using an oximeter. They measured blood oxygenation before surgery as well as at the end of surgeries.4 The researchers found that the mask reduced the blood oxygen levels (pa02) significantly. The longer the duration of wearing the mask, the greater the fall in blood oxygen levels.

The importance of these findings is that a drop in oxygen levels (hypoxia) is associated with an impairment in immunity. Studies have shown that hypoxia can inhibit the type of main immune cells used to fight viral infections called the CD4+ T-lymphocyte. This occurs because the hypoxia increases the level of a compound called hypoxia inducible factor-1 (HIF-1), which inhibits T-lymphocytes and stimulates a powerful immune inhibitor cell called the Tregs. . This sets the stage for contracting any infection, including COVID-19 and making the consequences of that infection much graver. In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections and if so, having a much worse outcome.5,6,7

People with cancer, especially if the cancer has spread, will be at a further risk from prolonged hypoxia as the cancer grows best in a microenvironment that is low in oxygen. Low oxygen also promotes inflammation which can promote the growth, invasion and spread of cancers.8,9  Repeated episodes of hypoxia has been proposed as a significant factor in atherosclerosis and hence increases all cardiovascular (heart attacks) and cerebrovascular (strokes) diseases.10

There is another danger to wearing these masks on a daily basis, especially if worn for several hours. When a person is infected with a respiratory virus, they will expel some of the virus with each breath. If they are wearing a mask, especially an N95 mask or other tightly fitting mask, they will be constantly rebreathing the viruses, raising the concentration of the virus in the lungs and the nasal passages. We know that people who have the worst reactions to the coronavirus have the highest concentrations of the virus early on. And this leads to the deadly cytokine storm in a selected number.

It gets even more frightening. Newer evidence suggests that in some cases the virus can enter the brain.11,12 In most instances it enters the brain by way of the olfactory nerves (smell nerves), which connect directly with the area of the brain dealing with recent memory and memory consolidation. By wearing a mask, the exhaled viruses will not be able to escape and will concentrate in the nasal passages, enter the olfactory nerves and travel into the brain.13

It is evident from this review that there is insufficient evidence that wearing a mask of any kind can have a significant impact in preventing the spread of this virus. The fact that this virus is a relatively benign infection for the vast majority of the population and that most of the at-risk group also survive, from an infectious disease and epidemiological standpoint, by letting the virus spread through the healthier population we will reach a herd immunity level rather quickly that will end this pandemic quickly and prevent a return next winter. During this time, we need to protect the at-risk population by avoiding close contact, boosting their immunity with compounds that boost cellular immunity and in general, care for them.

One should not attack and insult those who have chosen not to wear a mask, as these studies suggest that is the wise choice to make.

Face masks can damage the immune system

With the constant stress presented by the fear and anxiety of Covid-19, wearing a face mask or self-designed facial covering can become a hazard to the health of the majority of our population who remain in good health.

When a healthy population becomes unhealthy due to excessive stress driven by hyperbolic media fear of Covid-19, any of a variety of different diseases can break through that weakened immune system to cause more active cases of Covid-19, metabolic, heart, and other diseases like cancer.

Len Cabrera, April 3rd:  The mass hysteria (and bad public policy) on coronavirus is due to exaggerated computer models. The numbers for the month of March in Alachua County were barely a “sniffle,” much less a pandemic at 35 cases per 100,000 people (.035%).

Bio-Statistician Knut M. Wittkowski: “With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity. About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very, very mild symptoms, especially if they are children. So it’s very important to keep the schools open and kids mingling to spread the virus to get herd immunity as fast as possible, and then the elderly people, who should be separated, and the nursing homes should be closed during that time, can come back and meet their children and grandchildren after about 4 weeks when the virus has been exterminated”

Alachua Chronicle, May 1st: “The Commission moved forward on mandatory facial coverings in spite of the CDC voluntary recommendation for masks, the governor’s voluntary recommendation for masks, and the conclusion from Paul Myers (Florida Department of Health in Alachua County) that there is no consensus on the wearing of face masks.”

Len Cabrera, April 29th: “The facial covering mandate is an example of petty tyranny we’ve been witnessing all over the country. They made that recommendation even though earlier in the day Governor DeSantis held a press conference where Dr. Sunil Desai downplayed the need for masks, saying hand hygiene is more important: “If your hands aren’t clean, that mask is worthless.” He also said, “Hand hygiene and not touching your face and the social distancing, judiciously applied in the most high-risk groups, is the most important”.

Paul Myers, the Alachua County Administrator for the Florida Department of Health, echoed Dr. Desai in the County Commission meeting on April 28, saying that the evidence for the usefulness of masks being worn by the public does not support a mandate for mask wearing. He cited a review of 52 studies that concluded “cloth masks are ineffective as source control” and N-95 masks are “not recommended for source control.” He also said the CDC guidance is that masks should be a “voluntary public health measure” (emphasis added). “

“So according to local, state, and national experts, the general public does not need to wear masks.”

Is there any subject you're not on the crazy side of Woody?

Do you just like being wrong all the time and smacked down with the reality of situation?  Is this some sort of fetish for you?

Count me out, I'll let someone else fulfil that for you...

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 19^th, 2020 at 7:28am:

Is there any subject you're not on the crazy side of Woody? Do you just like being wrong all the time and smacked down with the reality of situation?  Is this some sort of fetish for you? Count me out, I'll let someone else fulfil that for you...

If you know of evidence on face masks that refutes the above then let's see it.

wombatwoody wrote on May 20^th, 2020 at 1:44am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 19th, 2020 at 7:28am: Is there any subject you're not on the crazy side of Woody? Do you just like being wrong all the time and smacked down with the reality of situation?  Is this some sort of fetish for you? Count me out, I'll let someone else fulfil that for you... If you know of evidence on face masks that refutes the above then let's see it.

If you have any evidence that proves your claims about facemasks you can post that too.

People are being asked to wear face makes to restrict their respiratory droplets escaping them and landing on surfaces.  It's not about stopping them getting the virus, like our frontline medical workers need to protect against.  It's about restricting the spread of the virus from asymptomatic people.  Sure the virus particles may be small, but they're not airborne, that's not what the masks are trying to stop.

And the masks people are being asked to wear, they do not stop the microbes or anything else getting in to "boost the immune system".

And even if they did, the 30mins a day you're wearing a mask when you're at the shops isn't going to prevent your exposure to the world for the other 23.5 hours of the day...

Everything you've claimed is unsupported and deceitful, all because you don't want to wear a mask?  You whiney little bitch...

You've warped the reason why people are being asked to wear masks, changed the type of mask they're being asked to wear and then arguing points that aren't even valid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg

UK Gov't confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people

wombatwoody wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 12:06am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg UK Gov't confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people

"Vast majority of people will not die from this" is not the same as "it's harmless".

Not dying because the health system was not overrun and there was a ventilator available for you is hardly harmless...

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 12:47am:

wombatwoody wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:06am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg UK Gov't confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people "Vast majority of people will not die from this" is not the same as "it's harmless". Not dying because the health system was not overrun and there was a ventilator available for you is hardly harmless...

is our hospital system overun in Qld where we have 1000 ventilators and 1 person in hospital with covid?

are the borders closed because we think we can "eliminate and then isolate qld" FOREVER?

is tourism to be demolished so that we can change the goalposts to "no qlder should get this virus ever"?

if we open our borders today or in a month or in 6 months, does that mean we can attain this unattainable goal?

people are going to get this (like every other infectious disease).

the premier is too gutless to face up to this fact but it IS a fact and the 'flattening the curve' was designed to not overwhlem the hospitals and they are far from overwhelmed, so i can see no logic for the current position excpet maintaing the fear and the cowardice

The stupid have been programmed. Time to open back up so normal people can get on with life.
This fear mongering rubbish has gone on for to long.

aquascoot wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 6:03am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:47am: wombatwoody wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:06am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg UK Gov't confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people "Vast majority of people will not die from this" is not the same as "it's harmless". Not dying because the health system was not overrun and there was a ventilator available for you is hardly harmless... is our hospital system overun in Qld where we have 1000 ventilators and 1 person in hospital with covid? are the borders closed because we think we can "eliminate and then isolate qld" FOREVER? is tourism to be demolished so that we can change the goalposts to "no qlder should get this virus ever"? if we open our borders today or in a month or in 6 months, does that mean we can attain this unattainable goal? people are going to get this (like every other infectious disease). the premier is too gutless to face up to this fact but it IS a fact and the 'flattening the curve' was designed to not overwhlem the hospitals and they are far from overwhelmed, so i can see no logic for the current position excpet maintaing the fear and the cowardice

Nothing to do with what he or I said.

Unbunch your panties elsewhere.

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 12:47am:

wombatwoody wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:06am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg UK Gov't confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people "Vast majority of people will not die from this" is not the same as "it's harmless". Not dying because the health system was not overrun and there was a ventilator available for you is hardly harmless...

https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Image729.png

wombatwoody wrote on May 24^th, 2020 at 3:29am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:47am: wombatwoody wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:06am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg UK Gov't confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people "Vast majority of people will not die from this" is not the same as "it's harmless". Not dying because the health system was not overrun and there was a ventilator available for you is hardly harmless... https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Image729.png

Stop the presses, an opinion piece in the "write in section" of a news paper is proof of blah blah....

If you clutch and these straws any harder they'll all slip out of your fingers mate.

and the end of the day  we cannot avoid dying....we are programed to do just that..

if someone is diagnosed with covids...dies   then 10 to 1 it contributed to their death.....just the same as if they had pneumonia.... the heart stops.....did something encourage it to stop???.....you are not dead unless the heart stops..

putting an extra burden on it..like having covids????????

People either don't understand or care not to accept that there is a difference between cause of death and comorbidity.

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 24^th, 2020 at 8:54am:

wombatwoody wrote on May 24th, 2020 at 3:29am: ProudKangaroo wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:47am: wombatwoody wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:06am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg UK Gov't confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people "Vast majority of people will not die from this" is not the same as "it's harmless". Not dying because the health system was not overrun and there was a ventilator available for you is hardly harmless... https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Image729.png Stop the presses, an opinion piece in the "write in section" of a news paper is proof of blah blah.... If you clutch and these straws any harder they'll all slip out of your fingers mate.

It should be clear by now that doctors everywhere are being pressured to add covid even though it was not the direct cause of death. The question everybody should be asking is why?

wombatwoody wrote on May 26^th, 2020 at 1:22am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 24th, 2020 at 8:54am: wombatwoody wrote on May 24th, 2020 at 3:29am: ProudKangaroo wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:47am: wombatwoody wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 12:06am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg UK Gov't confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people "Vast majority of people will not die from this" is not the same as "it's harmless". Not dying because the health system was not overrun and there was a ventilator available for you is hardly harmless... https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Image729.png Stop the presses, an opinion piece in the "write in section" of a news paper is proof of blah blah.... If you clutch and these straws any harder they'll all slip out of your fingers mate. It should be clear by now that doctors everywhere are being pressured to add covid even though it was not the direct cause of death. The question everybody should be asking is why?

There are 2 main things wrong with your comment, the idea of doctors being pressured and you wanting to rewrite the medical practice of listing all the causes of death.

I had a family member who had issues with their liver pass away earlier this year.

Their death certificate listed Cancer and Liver failure as the cause of their death.  Their Liver only failed because the of cancer, but by your logic, their cause of death should not have included cancer at all because they had Liver issues prior to the appearance of cancer, the surgeries and the treatment.

Many people, especially in NYC who have tested positive to COVID-19 and later died were also hypertensive.  The addition of COVID-19 to their system lead to statistically increased severity and frequency of heart attacks and strokes which is many cases killed them.

This statistical anomaly is because they had COVID-19.  Without it, their bodies would not have been under presser with the respiratory issues and they wouldn't have died.

You're saying you don't want COVID-19 listed in their cause of death and instead simply a heart attack or stroke and they not be counted towards the death toll because they have a pre-existing condition?

This isn't Trump's healthcare plan where you can just ignore people with a pre-existing condition...

They may not have coughed themselves to death or however you think in your mind one dies from COVID-19, but it seems like your wanting to rewrite the rules while you bend over backwards to change reality to suit your opinion.

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 24^th, 2020 at 6:01pm:

People either don't understand or care not to accept that there is a difference between cause of death and comorbidity.

Normally, I just say that sometimes people can die from playing with a jack-in-the-box. It would not surprise me if contracted covid19 would send them to an earlier grave. Most of the covid19 deaths in Australia have not been with people who were not expected to die soon.

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 26^th, 2020 at 7:15am:

There are 2 main things wrong with your comment, the idea of doctors being pressured

It's not an idea. It's not something that popped into my head, you know...

From the OP: 'When someone dies in this country now ... the first question is, did they die from covid? We've been to hundreds of autopsies ... covid is not the reason they died, it is one of many reasons; it's so simplistic to say that's a covid death. But ER doctors now say,  you know, when we're writing the death report, we're being pressured to add covid - why is that? Why are we being pressured to add covid, to maybe increase the numbers? I think so ... (my colleagues) say we are being pressured to add covid to the diagnostic list when we think it has nothing to do with the actual cause of death. The actual cause of death was not covid.'

If you're suggesting those doctors are liars why don't you just come out and say it?


Quote:

and you wanting to rewrite the medical practice of listing all the causes of death.

You're missing the point. As posted earlier:

'On Thursday, Project Veritas released a shocking video in which New York City funeral home directors blew the whistle on artificially inflated coronavirus deaths. As PJ Media’s Megan Fox reported, Schafer Funeral Home Director Joseph Antioco told Project Veritas, “To me, all you’re doing is padding the statistics. You’re putting people on that have COVID-19 even if they didn’t have it. You’re making the death rate for New York City a lot higher than it should be.” '

https://pjmedia.com/columns/tyler-o-neil/2020/04/30/why-exactly-are-funeral-homes-falsely-writing-covid-19-on-death-certificates-n387218

Also as posted earlier:

'Birx and others feared that the CDC's data-tracking system was inflating coronavirus statistics like mortality rates and case numbers by up to 25%.'

https://www.businessinsider.com/deborah-birx-cdc-comments-coronavirus-task-force-meeting-2020-5

El Salvador's president: Most world leaders are taking hydroxychloroquine to prevent coronavirus, why are the masses being told not to?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-elsalvador/salvadoran-leader-says-he-takes-drug-touted-by-trump-for-coronavirus-idUSKBN2330C4

"It's All Bullsh*t" – 3 Leaks That Sink The COVID Narrative

    Most people won’t get the virus.

    Most of the people who get it won’t display symptoms.

    Most of the people who display symptoms will only be mildly sick.

    Most of the people with severe symptoms will never be critically ill.

    And most of the people who get critically ill will survive.

This is borne out by the numerous serological studies which show, again and again, that the infection fatality ratio is on par with flu.

There is no science – and increasingly little rational discussion – to justify the lockdown measures and overall sense of global panic.


1. “IT’S ALL BULLSHIT!”

On May 26th Dr Alexander Myasnikov, Russia’s head of coronavirus information, gave an interview to former-Presidential candidate Ksenia Sobchak in which he apparently let slip his true feelings.

Believing the interview over, and the camera turned off, Myasnikov said:

    It’s all bullshit […] It’s all exaggerated. It’s an acute respiratory disease with minimal mortality […] Why has the whole world been destroyed? That I don’t know,”



2. “COVID-19 CANNOT BE DESCRIBED AS A GENERALLY DANGEROUS DISEASE”

According to an e-mail leaked to Danish newspaper Politiken, the Danish Health Authority disagree with their government’s approach to the coronavirus. They cover it in two articles here and here (For those who don’t speak Danish, thelocal.dk have covered the story too).

[...]


    The Danish Health Authority continues to consider that covid-19 cannot be described as a generally dangerous disease, as it does not have either a usually serious course or a high mortality rate,”

On March 12th the Danish parliament passed an emergency law which – among many other things – decreased the power of the Danish Health Authority, demoting it from a “regulatory authority” to just an “advisory” one.


3. “A GLOBAL FALSE ALARM”

Earlier this month, on May 9th, a report was leaked to the German alternate media magazine Tichys Einblick titled “Analysis of the Crisis Management”.

The report was commissioned by the German department of the interior, but then its findings were ignored, prompting one of the authors to release it through non-official channels.

The fall out of that, including attacks on the authors and minimising of the report’s findings, is all very fascinating and we highly recommend this detailed report on Strategic Culture (or read the full report here in German).

We’re going to focus on just the reports conclusions, including [our emphasis]:

    The dangerousness of Covid-19 was overestimated: probably at no point did the danger posed by the new virus go beyond the normal level.

    The danger is obviously no greater than that of many other viruses. There is no evidence that this was more than a false alarm.

    During the Corona crisis the State has proved itself as one of the biggest producers of Fake News.

After being attacked in the press, and suspended from his job, the leaker and other authors of the report released a joint statement, calling on the government to respond to their findings.

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/its-all-bullsht-3-leaks-sink-covid-narrative

Get Help.

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 12:19am:

It's All Bullsh*t" – 3 Leaks That Sink The COVID Narrative     Most people won’t get the virus.    WHAT IF YOU ARE A LOVED ON IS NOT ONE OF THE "MOST" Most of the people who get it won’t display symptoms. SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY HAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE..?     Most of the people who display symptoms will only be mildly sick. WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE MORE THAN MILDLY SICK?     Most of the people with severe symptoms will never be critically ill. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?....HAVE YOU BEEN IN INTENSIVE CARE.?     And most of the people who get critically ill will survive.

SERIOUSLY!   HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?...

ONLY THE SERIOUSLY ILL END UP IN HOSPITAL....
AN AWFUL LOT IN AGED CARE DIDNT LEAVE THEIR ROOMS...


OUR DEATH RATE WAS MINIMAL   LUCKY US....THANKS TO MANY WHO GOT IN EARLY AND SHUT US DOWN  MAINLY FROM INTL TRAVEL...

DONT KID YOURSELF  HAD WE CARRIED ON  THINGS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT..


maybe you should visit one of these high death countries like Brazil.....and get up close to reality....we live in a lucky country...dont take it for granted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYHoMUAPBBg

cods wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 7:38am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 12:19am: It's All Bullsh*t" – 3 Leaks That Sink The COVID Narrative     Most people won’t get the virus.    WHAT IF YOU ARE A LOVED ON IS NOT ONE OF THE "MOST" Most of the people who get it won’t display symptoms. SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY HAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE..?     Most of the people who display symptoms will only be mildly sick. WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE MORE THAN MILDLY SICK?     Most of the people with severe symptoms will never be critically ill. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?....HAVE YOU BEEN IN INTENSIVE CARE.?     And most of the people who get critically ill will survive. SERIOUSLY!   HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?... ONLY THE SERIOUSLY ILL END UP IN HOSPITAL.... AN AWFUL LOT IN AGED CARE DIDNT LEAVE THEIR ROOMS... OUR DEATH RATE WAS MINIMAL   LUCKY US....THANKS TO MANY WHO GOT IN EARLY AND SHUT US DOWN  MAINLY FROM INTL TRAVEL... DONT KID YOURSELF  HAD WE CARRIED ON  THINGS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.. maybe you should visit one of these high death countries like Brazil.....and get up close to reality....we live in a lucky country...dont take it for granted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg

Ron Paul Liberty Report

"the virus is really not there; it's essentially not a virus anymore... more and more doctors are coming out against the COVID-19 scam; Trump needs to convene a public hearing and let the other side be heard; put it on national television to expose the corruption in journalism...

"Doctors in Italy are saying this virus just doesn't exist anymore; Dr. Alberto Sangrillo, head of intensive care at San Rafael hospital in Milan, the epicenter of Italy's coronavirus outbreak, said, "The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out on patients a month ago."

"The British team looking for a vaccine are saying the virus has died too quick, were 'not  going to be able to get a vaccine together.' "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93UX-vdR28Q&feature=youtu.be

Recently, a report on the COVID-19 crisis was leaked from the German Interior Ministry.

The report states quite definitely that the whole threat has been overblown. It was a “false alarm.”

World media have taken very little notice.

As Strategic Culture Foundation reveals, the report, “Analysis of the Crisis Management” (an English translation, here), was authored by “a scientific panel appointed by the interior ministry and composed by external medical experts from several German universities.”


“The report was the initiative of a department of the interior ministry called Unit KM4 and in charge [of] the ‘Protection of critical infrastructures’.”


“Some of the [leaked] report key passages are:
* The dangerousness of Covid-19 was overestimated: probably at no point did the danger posed by the new virus go beyond the normal level.
* The people who die from Corona are essentially those who would statistically die this year, because they have reached the end of their lives and their weakened bodies can no longer cope with any random everyday stress (including the approximately 150 viruses currently in circulation).
* Worldwide, within a quarter of a year, there has been no more than 250,000 deaths from Covid-19, compared to 1.5 million deaths [25,100 in Germany] during the influenza wave 2017/18.
* The danger is obviously no greater than that of many other viruses. There is no evidence that this was more than a false alarm.
* A reproach could go along these lines: During the Corona crisis the State has proved itself as one of the biggest producers of Fake News.”


Of course, here in America, we’re grateful that the New York Times, the Washington Post, and all the major television networks have been trumpeting news of the explosive findings in the leaked German report. Our major media have been on top of this story from the beginning, with page-one headlines and lead items every night on TV news broadcasts. We’re grateful to Tony Fauci, Deb Birx, and the whole coronavirus task force crew for highlighting what’s been happening in Germany in their daily press conferences. We appreciate the hour-to-hour updates on Germany from the CDC and the WHO. Bill Gates’ breathless reports on YouTube, demolishing the official COIVD narrative and praising the German leaker, have warmed our hearts.


WAIT. Sorry. For a minute there, I thought I was writing PR releases for…some honest US government agency and media consortium that don’t actually exist. My mistake. Wrong country, wrong world, wrong universe.


COVID-19: a movie on the screen of life

I watch the news announcements live when it comes on Facebook, I love reading the comments by people.
Interesting question that came up was “Does anyone know someone that got Covid-19?”

I don’t know of anyone. My rellies in California, Italy and here in Australia between Melbourne, Sydney, and WA are all well.

Anyone here on this forum know if anyone that got covid-19?

Just curious.

Night owl prowl page gauge ...

Only ever heard of cases on the media...... never met one yet...

Hah!  I've been saying it is overblown for ages now...

Next question:-  If it is overblown - WHY is it overblown?  Qui Bono?

Sophia wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 1:48am:

I watch the news announcements live when it comes on Facebook, I love reading the comments by people. Interesting question that came up was “Does anyone know someone that got Covid-19?” I don’t know of anyone. My rellies in California, Italy and here in Australia between Melbourne, Sydney, and WA are all well. Anyone here on this forum know if anyone that got covid-19? Just curious.

I've been asking the same question since the beginning.
The figures were being fudged from day one. Hard to do in this country because we have such a small educated population. Same with NZ. People talk.

Just look at how fast the media and health organisations had this planet locked down.
A computer programmer leading the narrative like he is some kind of doctor.  ;D
Computer generated models running the case predictions.
A paw paw testing positive to covid.  ;D ;D ;D

But now the frightened ones hiding under their bed are feeding a narrative for a second wave...  ;D
FFS...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 2:35am:

Only ever heard of cases on the media...... never met one yet...

I have

Spot

Sophia wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 1:48am:

Interesting question that came up was “Does anyone know someone that got Covid-19?” I don’t know of anyone. My rellies in California, Italy and here in Australia between Melbourne, Sydney, and WA are all well. Anyone here on this forum know if anyone that got covid-19? Just curious.

Given that this is a mostly Australian forum and that we've had very few cases of Covid-19 in Australia thanks to our lockdown measure,s it would be no surprise that no one on this forum would know any of them personally.
It would also prove nothing.   

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 6:03am:

I've been asking the same question since the beginning. The figures were being fudged from day one. Hard to do in this country because we have such a small educated population. Same with NZ. People talk.

Yes, the official death toll from Covid-19 is wrong
The official death toll is an UNDERstatement of the true death toll


Quote:

England and Wales have recorded 38,554 more deaths than usual between the start of the Covid-19 outbreak in March and 24 April, new figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show. Of those, only 71% were officially attributed to Covid-19 – leaving some 11,260 deaths unaccounted for. Some of these “unexplained” deaths may be a direct result of the coronavirus while others may be due to limited access to healthcare during the pandemic. The figures are based on weekly monitoring of deaths from all causes. We can compare this with the average number of deaths seen during comparable weeks over the last five years. In the week to 24 April alone, a total of 21,997 people died in England and Wales – more than twice the average of 10,458 deaths seen during the same week in previous years. It brings the total number of excess deaths since March to nearly 40,000. That implies that the “official” Covid-19 death totals are a significant underestimate of the true toll. https://www.citymetric.com/business/nearly-40000-more-dead-normal-start-covid-19-outbreak-ons-says-5046

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 11:31am:

Sophia wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 1:48am: Interesting question that came up was “Does anyone know someone that got Covid-19?” I don’t know of anyone. My rellies in California, Italy and here in Australia between Melbourne, Sydney, and WA are all well. Anyone here on this forum know if anyone that got covid-19? Just curious. Given that this is a mostly Australian forum and that we've had very few cases of Covid-19 in Australia thanks to our lockdown measure,s it would be no surprise that no one on this forum would know any of them personally. It would also prove nothing.

the lockdown also proves nothing.

we have a new virus, one of many, that will be with us for ever (probably) and for which a vaccine will reduce the impact a bit (probably), but we are going to have to learn to get on with our lives and live with the virus as we live with every single other threat we face.

the lockdown merely delays this readjustment to "reality"

it gives people "false hope" that will never have to deal with it.

well , guess what......they will

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 12:41pm:

the lockdown also proves nothing. we have a new virus, one of many, that will be with us for ever (probably) and for which a vaccine will reduce the impact a bit (probably), but we are going to have to learn to get on with our lives and live with the virus as we live with every single other threat we face. the lockdown merely delays this readjustment to "reality" it gives people "false hope" that will never have to deal with it. well , guess what......they will

You still haven't worked out why the only people objecting to the lockdowns are a few conspiracy theorist loonies.

The lock downs help to stop the healthcare systems from being completely overwhelmed.
It also saves as many lives as possible until the vaccine is developed.

You keep assuming that the vaccine wont be very effective, purely to try and support your weak arguments.
The fact is that we don't know how effective the vaccine will be, although given that a huge effort by scientists all over the world is currently underway, I suspect that we will end up with a far better vaccine than you are prepared to speculate on.
And that's going to make your current posts look pretty stupid

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 1:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 12:41pm: the lockdown also proves nothing. we have a new virus, one of many, that will be with us for ever (probably) and for which a vaccine will reduce the impact a bit (probably), but we are going to have to learn to get on with our lives and live with the virus as we live with every single other threat we face. the lockdown merely delays this readjustment to "reality" it gives people "false hope" that will never have to deal with it. well , guess what......they will You still haven't worked out why the only people objecting to the lockdowns are a few conspiracy theorist loonies. The lock downs help to stop the healthcare systems from being completely overwhelmed. It also saves as many lives as possible until the vaccine is developed. You keep assuming that the vaccine wont be very effective, purely to try and support your weak arguments. The fact is that we don't know how effective the vaccine will be, although given that a huge effort by scientists all over the world is currently underway, I suspect that we will end up with a far better vaccine than you are prepared to speculate on. And that's going to make your current posts look pretty stupid

But the lockdowns are working, the health system hasn't been overrun, therefore it's all been a big overreaction.

Innit Scoot?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/0f93a877890f8125983a9c2d88fc0398/tenor.gif

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 2:26pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 1:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 12:41pm: the lockdown also proves nothing. we have a new virus, one of many, that will be with us for ever (probably) and for which a vaccine will reduce the impact a bit (probably), but we are going to have to learn to get on with our lives and live with the virus as we live with every single other threat we face. the lockdown merely delays this readjustment to "reality" it gives people "false hope" that will never have to deal with it. well , guess what......they will You still haven't worked out why the only people objecting to the lockdowns are a few conspiracy theorist loonies. The lock downs help to stop the healthcare systems from being completely overwhelmed. It also saves as many lives as possible until the vaccine is developed. You keep assuming that the vaccine wont be very effective, purely to try and support your weak arguments. The fact is that we don't know how effective the vaccine will be, although given that a huge effort by scientists all over the world is currently underway, I suspect that we will end up with a far better vaccine than you are prepared to speculate on. And that's going to make your current posts look pretty stupid But the lockdowns are working, the health system hasn't been overrun, therefore it's all been a big overreaction. Innit Scoot? https://media1.tenor.com/images/0f93a877890f8125983a9c2d88fc0398/tenor.gif

over run


OVER RUN

OVER RUN


we have about 5500 ICU beds in australia of which a grand total of ZERO currently have a covid patient in them.

so when are you cowards willing to admit that the healthcare system can now begin to deal with a little more covid  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 2:58pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 2:26pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 1:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 12:41pm: the lockdown also proves nothing. we have a new virus, one of many, that will be with us for ever (probably) and for which a vaccine will reduce the impact a bit (probably), but we are going to have to learn to get on with our lives and live with the virus as we live with every single other threat we face. the lockdown merely delays this readjustment to "reality" it gives people "false hope" that will never have to deal with it. well , guess what......they will You still haven't worked out why the only people objecting to the lockdowns are a few conspiracy theorist loonies. The lock downs help to stop the healthcare systems from being completely overwhelmed. It also saves as many lives as possible until the vaccine is developed. You keep assuming that the vaccine wont be very effective, purely to try and support your weak arguments. The fact is that we don't know how effective the vaccine will be, although given that a huge effort by scientists all over the world is currently underway, I suspect that we will end up with a far better vaccine than you are prepared to speculate on. And that's going to make your current posts look pretty stupid But the lockdowns are working, the health system hasn't been overrun, therefore it's all been a big overreaction. Innit Scoot? https://media1.tenor.com/images/0f93a877890f8125983a9c2d88fc0398/tenor.gif over run OVER RUN OVER RUN we have about 5500 ICU beds in australia of which a grand total of ZERO currently have a covid patient in them. so when are you cowards willing to admit that the healthcare system can now begin to deal with a little more covid  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Right you are, aquascoot. They should pay a visit to their local hospital and see for themselves.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 1:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 12:41pm: the lockdown also proves nothing. we have a new virus, one of many, that will be with us for ever (probably) and for which a vaccine will reduce the impact a bit (probably), but we are going to have to learn to get on with our lives and live with the virus as we live with every single other threat we face. the lockdown merely delays this readjustment to "reality" it gives people "false hope" that will never have to deal with it. well , guess what......they will You still haven't worked out why the only people objecting to the lockdowns are a few conspiracy theorist loonies.

Right, so the doctors in the OP are 'conspiracy theorist loonies'? All the other aforementioned experts are  'conspiracy theorist loonies'?

So Dr. Anthony Fauci, the Director of the US National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Diseases, is also a conspiracy theorist loony:

“This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

Did you get that? Covid-19 is just like the common seasonal flu!


Quote:

The fact is that we don't know how effective the vaccine will be

You mean a vaccine like this?

Dangerous nano-particles contaminating many vaccines: groundbreaking study

A 2017 study of 44 types of 15 traditional vaccines, manufactured by leading global companies, has uncovered a very troubling and previously unreported fact:

The vaccines are heavily contaminated with a variety of nanoparticles.

Many of the particles are metals.

We’re talking about traditional vaccines, such as HPV, flu, Swine Flu, Hepatitis B, MMR, DPT, tetanus, etc.

To begin to understand some of the destructive effects of contaminating nanoparticles in vaccines, here is the groundbreaking 2017 study:

International Journal of Vaccines & Vaccination
Volume 4 Issue 1
January 23 2017
New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines:
Micro- and Nanocontamination
Antonietta M Gatti and Stefano Montanari

[...]

This 2017 study opens up a whole new field: the investigation of nanoparticles in vaccines where none were expected.

Such particles are not medicine in any sense of the word.

Many legal and scientific “experts” assert the State has a right to mandate vaccines and force them on the population. But these contaminating nanoparticles are not vaccines or medicines. Only a lunatic would defend the right of the State to inject them.

[...]

I’m sure you’ve read official assurances that vaccine-manufacturing problems are “rare.” You can file those pronouncements along with other medical lies.

“I’d like the heavy metal sandwich on rye, please. And instead of serving it on a plate, can you inject it?”

Several vital questions demanding answers spring from the findings of this 2017 study:

Are some of these nanoparticles intentionally placed in vaccines?

Does the standard manufacturing process for traditional vaccines INEVITABLY lead to dangerous and destructive nano-contamination?

New nano-technology is already being employed to create several vaccines—supposedly “improving effectiveness.” In fact, the coming COVID-19 vaccine may be a nano-type. Does this manufacturing process carry with it the unavoidable effect of unleashing a hurricane of nanoparticle contaminants?

How many cases of childhood brain damage and autism can be laid at the door of nanoparticle contamination?

And finally, where are these contaminated vaccines manufactured? The above study did not attempt to discover this. It was outside the scope of the research. It’s common knowledge that, for example, in the case of the US, vaccines or their components, are, in many instances, not produced domestically. Where does this put control of safety? In, say, China, where there have been numerous pharmaceutical scandals connected to contamination of products?

The vaccine establishment does not show the slightest interest in answering any of these questions. They are busy pretending the questions don’t exist.

Trusting the establishment would be suicidal.

Six hundred physicians recently signed a letter to President Trump calling for an end to the coronavirus lockdowns. The physicians wrote that, far from protecting public health, the lockdowns are causing “exponentially growing negative health consequences” for millions of Americans.

[...]

The coronavirus lockdowns have upended the lives of Americans to “protect” them from a virus with a 0.2 percent fatality rate, with the majority of those fatalities occurring in nursing homes and among people with chronic health conditions. Instead, the rational response would be to protect the vulnerable, and let the rest of the people live their lives. But politicians and government-anointed “experts” do not respond rationally to a “crisis,” especially when a panicked reaction can increase their power and prestige.

The lesson of the unnecessary lockdowns is clear: Government bureaucrats and politicians, even the media’s beloved Dr. Fauci, must be stripped of the ability to infringe on our liberty and prosperity.

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/listen-to-the-doctors-end-the-lockdowns

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 2:36am:

Hah!  I've been saying it is overblown for ages now... Next question:-  If it is overblown - WHY is it overblown?  Qui Bono?

A simple explanation is given by Ron Paul in the previous post:  'a panicked reaction can increase their power and prestige'.

Though I think there's a lot more to it than that.

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 1:19am:

Six hundred physicians recently signed a letter to President Trump calling for an end to the coronavirus lockdowns. The physicians wrote that, far from protecting public health, the lockdowns are causing “exponentially growing negative health consequences” for millions of Americans. [...] The coronavirus lockdowns have upended the lives of Americans to “protect” them from a virus with a 0.2 percent fatality rate, with the majority of those fatalities occurring in nursing homes and among people with chronic health conditions. Instead, the rational response would be to protect the vulnerable, and let the rest of the people live their lives. But politicians and government-anointed “experts” do not respond rationally to a “crisis,” especially when a panicked reaction can increase their power and prestige. The lesson of the unnecessary lockdowns is clear: Government bureaucrats and politicians, even the media’s beloved Dr. Fauci, must be stripped of the ability to infringe on our liberty and prosperity. http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/listen-to-the-doctors-end-the-lockdowns

You got that right, Brother....

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 12:50am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 2:58pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 2:26pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 1:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 12:41pm: the lockdown also proves nothing. we have a new virus, one of many, that will be with us for ever (probably) and for which a vaccine will reduce the impact a bit (probably), but we are going to have to learn to get on with our lives and live with the virus as we live with every single other threat we face. the lockdown merely delays this readjustment to "reality" it gives people "false hope" that will never have to deal with it. well , guess what......they will You still haven't worked out why the only people objecting to the lockdowns are a few conspiracy theorist loonies. The lock downs help to stop the healthcare systems from being completely overwhelmed. It also saves as many lives as possible until the vaccine is developed. You keep assuming that the vaccine wont be very effective, purely to try and support your weak arguments. The fact is that we don't know how effective the vaccine will be, although given that a huge effort by scientists all over the world is currently underway, I suspect that we will end up with a far better vaccine than you are prepared to speculate on. And that's going to make your current posts look pretty stupid But the lockdowns are working, the health system hasn't been overrun, therefore it's all been a big overreaction. Innit Scoot? https://media1.tenor.com/images/0f93a877890f8125983a9c2d88fc0398/tenor.gif over run OVER RUN OVER RUN we have about 5500 ICU beds in australia of which a grand total of ZERO currently have a covid patient in them. so when are you cowards willing to admit that the healthcare system can now begin to deal with a little more covid  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Right you are, aquascoot. They should pay a visit to their local hospital and see for themselves.

So therefore measures put in place are...

A.) A waste of time

B.) An over reaction because it's just a bad case of the sniffles

C.) Working

?

https://i.imgur.com/8icAMaE.jpg

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 2:58pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 2:26pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 1:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 12:41pm: the lockdown also proves nothing. we have a new virus, one of many, that will be with us for ever (probably) and for which a vaccine will reduce the impact a bit (probably), but we are going to have to learn to get on with our lives and live with the virus as we live with every single other threat we face. the lockdown merely delays this readjustment to "reality" it gives people "false hope" that will never have to deal with it. well , guess what......they will You still haven't worked out why the only people objecting to the lockdowns are a few conspiracy theorist loonies. The lock downs help to stop the healthcare systems from being completely overwhelmed. It also saves as many lives as possible until the vaccine is developed. You keep assuming that the vaccine wont be very effective, purely to try and support your weak arguments. The fact is that we don't know how effective the vaccine will be, although given that a huge effort by scientists all over the world is currently underway, I suspect that we will end up with a far better vaccine than you are prepared to speculate on. And that's going to make your current posts look pretty stupid But the lockdowns are working, the health system hasn't been overrun, therefore it's all been a big overreaction. Innit Scoot? https://media1.tenor.com/images/0f93a877890f8125983a9c2d88fc0398/tenor.gif over run OVER RUN OVER RUN we have about 5500 ICU beds in australia of which a grand total of ZERO currently have a covid patient in them. so when are you cowards willing to admit that the healthcare system can now begin to deal with a little more covid  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

That's exactly why restrictions are now being eased.

Gees Aqua, you are acting like a child. Having a tantrum because the grown ups are having to deal with a serious virus. 

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 2:33am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 1:19am: Six hundred physicians recently signed a letter to President Trump calling for an end to the coronavirus lockdowns. The physicians wrote that, far from protecting public health, the lockdowns are causing “exponentially growing negative health consequences” for millions of Americans. [...] The coronavirus lockdowns have upended the lives of Americans to “protect” them from a virus with a 0.2 percent fatality rate, with the majority of those fatalities occurring in nursing homes and among people with chronic health conditions. Instead, the rational response would be to protect the vulnerable, and let the rest of the people live their lives. But politicians and government-anointed “experts” do not respond rationally to a “crisis,” especially when a panicked reaction can increase their power and prestige. The lesson of the unnecessary lockdowns is clear: Government bureaucrats and politicians, even the media’s beloved Dr. Fauci, must be stripped of the ability to infringe on our liberty and prosperity. http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/listen-to-the-doctors-end-the-lockdowns You got that right, Brother....

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko Laughs at Fake Pandemic

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has taken a shot at the world’s elites, accusing them of taking advantage of the coronavirus pandemic to put ‘trillions of dollars in their pockets’ while the global economy burns.

‘The coronavirus has put the whole planet into a state of psychosis. I call it a psychosis because someone clearly needs this. And you’ve probably noticed yourself who. It’s the same as always: after the swine flu, the bird flu, SARS, today we’re facing another pandemic, another pneumonia, only in a new form. And you remember who took advantage of these situations in the past, who put billions in their pockets,’ Lukashenko said, speaking to officials in Mogilev region on Saturday.

‘The whole world today has stopped; the global economy has not just stalled, but been demolished. But leading companies, leading billionaires and states have put trillions of dollars in their pockets,’ the president added, referring to the current crisis...

Belarus faced the wrath of on-message liberal media and medical experts around the world after refusing to institute mandatory lockdown measures, with the country’s factories, farms, schools, shops, restaurants and other amenities remaining open throughout the past several months even as its neighbours closed down.

However, recently published data have shown that while the country’s per capita infection rates are comparable to other European nations and the US, its mortality rates have been among the lowest in the world, ranking 45th among 49 countries with 10,000 or more cases where sufficient data is available.

This week, the Institute for Policy Studies, a Washington-based think tank, concluded that in the US alone, billionaires have added $565 billion to their fortunes since mid-March, with their total wealth up by 19 percent since the pandemic began. The figures were published amid reports that close to 39 million Americans filed for unemployment benefits amid the crisis. Similar trends have been observed in countries across the world, from Europe to Asia.


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This is what James Corbett of corbettreport.com said 2 months ago. He called it 'the controlled demolition of the world economy', in reference to the controlled demolition of New York's World Trade Center, a topic he has covered extensively, and is now, at least in the case of WTC Building 7, an established scientific fact; ie. The Hulsey study at the Uni. of Alaska Fairbanks which concluded that fire did not cause the collapse but was instead caused by a near simultaneous failure of every column in the building. I'm surprided to see there's no discussion of that here. Or have I missed it?

Yet another whistleblower, this time a nurse.

"One of her most disturbing findings: that people who've been repeatedly tested negative for Covid have been described as Covid confirmed"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8EL5AwimwE&feature=emb_logo

You have to hand it to those Russians

Strong powerful resilient alpha man

Look at Mr Putin

Horse rider crack marksman outdoorsman
Black belt martial artist

Compare Mr Putin to Mr Trudeau

Girly man pretty boy
Mr Trudeau is more interested in Barbie dolls then sniper rifles

It doesn't surprise me that the Russians stood up straight and confronted the virus

And countrys led by bedwetters are still hiding and cowering like children afraid of the dark

How would we go storming the beaches of Normandy
With leaders such as biden
Trudeau Macron that woman with the large teeth from New Zealand

Catastrophic failure by the West
A total emasculation of all that was strong resilient proud and noble confident

aquascoot wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 6:44am:

You have to hand it to those Russians Strong powerful resilient alpha man Look at Mr Putin Horse rider crack marksman outdoorsman Black belt martial artist Compare Mr Putin to Mr Trudeau Girly man pretty boy Mr Trudeau is more interested in Barbie dolls then sniper rifles It doesn't surprise me that the Russians stood up straight and confronted the virus And countrys led by bedwetters are still hiding and cowering like children afraid of the dark How would we go storming the beaches of Normandy With leaders such as biden Trudeau Macron that woman with the large teeth from New Zealand Catastrophic failure by the West A total emasculation of all that was strong resilient proud and noble confident

You were made fun of in school for having a learning disability, weren't you?

You've warped your entire view of the world around an anti-intellectual stance so you can feel powerful.  You poor thing, now I pity you more than ever...

Good luck with that.  You're the only one who knows the truth, but I'd hazard a guess that you have very limited meaningful relationships and had to settle on a wife which is why you're trying to overcompensate online.  I hope you've been able to find happiness but you post as if you're someone in deep pain looking for someone else to blame.

Maybe you're not a closet case after all, you're just so obviously trying to project the aplha you see in the mirror onto how everyone else sees you, just like Trump does, which again just like with him makes it so obvious and transparent and the only thing that comes to the surface is the insecurities and desperation for others to see you as strong.

Poor boy...

Lol

On my children's lives I was actually top of the class
And have a hot wife :D :D :D

I have just come to understand that being smart in an intellectual way
Leads one down a very slippery slope

and I have found that the people who do best in life are those who pay attention

Paying attention is way way way way way way way way way more important than falling in love with your own intellectual creations
Which for most people ends up in ideological possession

aquascoot wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 7:30am:

Lol On my children's lives I was actually top of the class And have a hot wife :D :D :D I have just come to understand that being smart in an intellectual way Leads one down a very slippery slope and I have found that the people who do best in life are those who pay attention Paying attention is way way way way way way way way way more important than falling in love with your own intellectual creations Which for most people ends up in ideological possession

What is more dangerous is rejecting reality in favour of an ideological obsession you're already addicted to.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 7:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 7:30am: Lol On my children's lives I was actually top of the class And have a hot wife :D :D :D I have just come to understand that being smart in an intellectual way Leads one down a very slippery slope and I have found that the people who do best in life are those who pay attention Paying attention is way way way way way way way way way more important than falling in love with your own intellectual creations Which for most people ends up in ideological possession What is more dangerous is rejecting reality in favour of an ideological obsession you're already addicted to.

I just call them as I see them Skippy
I'm no fanboy of Donald trump
But I have paid attention enough to see why he is successful

most people are either ideologically possessed and adore the guy
They are stuck in a cult

Or they are like you and Gregory and Kamal and ideologically possessed
And think that every problem on planet earth is due to the guy

It would be nice if there was some space for nuances and conversation
There's not

It is now impossible to speak to the left
drew Brees was made to apologise for holding up a sign saying I love America
it is obviously impossible to talk to people who have taken on the cult
Of identity politics

Both the left and the right are now totally polarized
Social media echo bubbles ensure that this problem will become worse and worse

You need people like me who are paying attention
Or you are seriously going to have a civil war
Which I think is what both the left and the right actually want

You know Hitler ended up in Berlin with the entire of Germany on fire and in ruins
Now if you ask Hitler in 1939 what he wanted
He would have said to build an empire
But that's not actually the case
What Hitler's subconscious mind wanted was to end up in Berlin blowing his brains out with the entire country on fire

And that's true for a lot of people who are ideologically possessed on the right and the left
They say they want to build a utopia
But what they really want to do
Is sit in a bunker and blow their brains out while the whole of society is on fire

You want to be careful mixing with such people Skippy
Probably isn't going to end well

aquascoot wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 8:02am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 7:51am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 7:30am: Lol On my children's lives I was actually top of the class And have a hot wife :D :D :D I have just come to understand that being smart in an intellectual way Leads one down a very slippery slope and I have found that the people who do best in life are those who pay attention Paying attention is way way way way way way way way way more important than falling in love with your own intellectual creations Which for most people ends up in ideological possession What is more dangerous is rejecting reality in favour of an ideological obsession you're already addicted to. I just call them as I see them Skippy

Exactly, how you choose to see them.

Empty coffins - what next! See the vid of empty coffins being inspected.

Members of the Brazilian parliament decided to confirm suspicions and break into a hospital that claimed to have 5,000 infected & 200 deaths from COVID-19, and found that the hospital had grossly over-represented the cases and its claims. There was in fact not a single person, they report, and the hospital was entirely empty and was obviously still under construction.

Acting on a tip that something was going wrong at this hospital, five members of the Brazil parliament went to hospitals under encouragement by president Bolsonaro to break in & check to see the number of patients there

This hospital was not even finished, but claiming it was treating 5000 people with COVID-19 while 200 were already dead. Officials broke in to check the claims and found the hospital is an absolute mess, not finished, and no patients.

The governor is apparently defrauding the state and the nation along with the citizen taxpayers, and lying about the stats. This is possibly an embezzlement scheme to help bring down the country, and to push vaccines based upon inflated numbers of Covid related deaths.

What was more shocking still was the decision to open the coffins supposedly awaiting transport to be buried, of coronavirus victims. Opening the coffins, the MP’s were shocked, but not surprised, when they were found to be empty.

https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/06/empty-coffins-empty-hospital-brazilian-mps-expose-biggest-covid-19-hoax-known-to-date/

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[BREAKING—UPDATE: The New York Times (June 27) is reporting that 43 percent of all US COVID deaths are occurring in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities for the elderly. In at least 24 states, more than 50 percent of all COVID deaths are occurring in these facilities. The Times fails to mention deaths of the elderly at hospitals or, at home, cut off from family and friends. The situation is far worse than the Times makes it out to be.]

by Jon Rappoport

June 30, 2020

The medical establishment is facing the embarrassing and devastating fact that a huge percentage of so-called COVID deaths are occurring in nursing homes. The elderly are dying prematurely.

And not only in nursing homes. In hospitals, and alone in their apartments.

All told, huge numbers of old people are dying premature deaths.

It’s obvious these patients have many serious and long-standing health conditions that have NOTHING to do with a virus. They’ve been treated for decades with toxic medical drugs. Their immune systems are severely compromised.

THEN they’re terrified when they’re handed a diagnosis of COVID-19 based on fraudulent tests, or no tests at all. They’re shut off completely from the outside world. No family or friends are permitted to see them. So the elderly die.

You want to see some astonishing numbers? Let’s go to the “epicenter.” New York City.

Using worldometers.info for data, I looked at the latest figures available.

As of May 13, take these two age groups—65 to 74, and 75 and older—and together they account for a staggering 73.6 percent of all COVID deaths in the city.

The 75 and older group accounts, all on its own, for 48.7 percent of all COVID deaths in the city.

For THIS, New York is on lockdown. Boarded up. Imprisoned. Economically torpedoed and devastated. With two ignoramus-vampires—Governor Cuomo and Mayor De Blasio—hovering over its shoulders.

If you subtracted the premature and forced deaths of the elderly, the fiction of New York as “the epicenter of COVID” would blow away in the wind in five minutes.

In case you missed it, in a piece I wrote a few days ago, I added yet one more factor to the murderous New York formula:

The Hill, undated (late April 2020), reporting on “data…gathered at Northwell Health, New York state’s largest hospital system. The study, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) examines 5,700 patients hospitalized with coronavirus infections in the New York City region, with final outcomes recorded for 2,634 patients. The average patient age was 63 years old… For the next oldest age group, ages 66 years and older, patients receiving mechanical [breathing] ventilation recorded a 97.2 percent mortality rate.”

Just in case all the other obvious factors failed to produce premature death in the elderly, ventilators provided the method.

Don’t even think of saying, “Well, you see, those old people put on ventilators were already very sick and close to dying.” NO medical treatment that kills 97.2 percent of patients in a well-defined group is continued, unless there are orders mandating it. Unless there is added insurance money to be made from it. Unless the doctors are willing to keep using the treatment, despite the results.

New York—the “epicenter of the pandemic”—is an epicenter of killing old people.

cont'd here
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/06/30/death-by-killing-old-people-not-covid-the-basic-deception/

There's are favourite blogger and nutter Jon again.

https://i1.wp.com/aim4truth.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/covidiot.jpg

Facts about Covid-19

1. According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).

2. In countries like the US, the UK, and also Sweden (without a lockdown), overall mortality since the beginning of the year is in the range of a strong influenza season; in countries like Germany, Austria and Switzerland, overall mortality is in the range of a mild influenza season.

3. Even in global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general population of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.

4. Up to 80% of all test-positive persons remain symptom-free. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% remain symptom-free. Over 95% of all persons develop at most moderate symptoms.

5. Up to 60% of all persons may already have a certain cellular background immunity to Covid-19 due to contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. common cold viruses). The initial assumption that there was no immunity against Covid-19 was not correct.

6. The median age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years (e.g. 86 years in Sweden) and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.

7. In many countries, up to two thirds of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid19 or from weeks of extreme stress and isolation.

8. Up to 30% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 60% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital.

9. Even in so-called “Covid19 deaths” it is often not clear whether they died from or with coronavirus (i.e. from underlying diseases) or if they were counted as “presumed cases” and not tested at all. However, official figures usually do not reflect this distinction.

10. Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 turned out to be false: many of these young people either did not die from Covid19, they had already been seriously ill (e.g. from undiagnosed leukaemia), or they were in fact 109 instead of 9 years old. The claimed increase in Kawasaki disease in children also turned out to be false.

11. Strong increases in regional mortality can occur if there is a collapse in the care of the elderly and sick as a result of infection or panic, or if there are additional risk factors such as severe air pollution. Questionable regulations for dealing with the deceased sometimes led to additional bottlenecks in funeral or cremation services.

12. In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent the UK and the US, hospital overloads due to strong flu waves are not unusual. Moreover, this year up to 15% of health care workers were put into quarantine, even if they developed no symptoms.

13. The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, as the number of tests also increased exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to tests overall (i.e. the positive rate) remained constant at 5% to 25% or increased only slightly. In many countries, the peak of the spread was already reached well before the lockdown.

14. Countries without curfews and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea, Belarus or Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. Sweden was even praised by the WHO and now benefits from higher immunity compared to lockdown countries.

15. The fear of a shortage of ventilators was unjustified. According to lung specialists, the invasive ventilation (intubation) of Covid19 patients, which is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus, is in fact often counterproductive and damaging to the lungs.

16. Contrary to original assumptions, various studies have shown that there is no evidence of the virus spreading through aerosols (i.e. tiny particles floating in the air) or through smear infections (e.g. on door handles or smartphones). The main modes of transmission are direct contact and droplets produced when coughing or sneezing.

17. There is also no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in healthy or asymptomatic individuals. On the contrary, experts warn that such masks interfere with normal breathing and may become “germ carriers”. Leading doctors called them a “media hype” and “ridiculous”.

18. Many clinics in Europe and the US remained strongly underutilized or almost empty during the Covid19 peak and in some cases had to send staff home. Millions of surgeries and therapies were cancelled, including many cancer screenings and organ transplants.

19. Several media were caught trying to dramatize the situation in hospitals, sometimes even with manipulative images and videos. In general, the unprofessional reporting of many media maximized fear and panic in the population.

Sources given in original

20. The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors and can produce false positive and false negative results. Moreover, the official virus test was not clinically validated due to time pressure and may sometimes react positive to other coronaviruses.
   
21. Numerous internationally renowned experts in the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend rapid natural immunisation of the general population and protection of risk groups.
   
22. At no time was there a medical reason for the closure of schools, as the risk of disease and transmission in children is extremely low. There is also no medical reason for small classes, masks or ‘social distancing’ rules in schools.
   
23. The claim that only (severe) Covid-19 but not influenza may cause venous thrombosis and pulmonary (lung) embolism is not true, as it has been known for 50 years that severe influenza greatly increases the risk of thrombosis and embolism, too.

24. Several medical experts described express coronavirus vaccines as unnecessary or even dangerous. Indeed, the vaccine against the so-called swine flu of 2009, for example, led to sometimes severe neurological damage and lawsuits in the millions. In the testing of new coronavirus vaccines, too, serious complications and failures have already occurred.

25.  A global influenza or corona pandemic can indeed extend over several seasons, but many studies of a “second wave” are based on very unrealistic assumptions, such as a constant risk of illness and death across all age groups.

26. Several nurses, e.g. in New York City, described an oftentimes fatal medical mis­manage­ment of Covid patients due to questionable financial incentives or inappropriate medical protocols.
   
27. The number of people suffering from unemployment, depressions and domestic violence as a result of the measures has reached historic record values. Several experts predict that the measures will claim far more lives than the virus itself. According to the UN 1.6 billion people around the world are at immediate risk of losing their livelihood.

28. NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the “corona crisis” will be used for the permanent expansion of global surveillance. Renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures”. Leading British virologist Professor John Oxford spoke of a “media epidemic”.
   
29. More than 600 scientists have warned of an “unprecedented surveillance of society” through problematic apps for “contact tracing”. In some countries, such “contact tracing” is already carried out directly by the secret service. In several parts of the world, the population is already being monitored by drones and facing serious police overreach.

30. A 2019 WHO study on public health measures against pandemic influenza found that from a medical perspective, “contact tracing” is “not recommended in any circumstances”. Nevertheless, contact tracing apps have already become partially mandatory in several countries.

See also:

    Studies on Covid-19 lethality (overview)
    Open Letter by Professor Sucharit Bhakdi
    European Mortality Monitoring (EuroMomo)


Sources given in original

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 25^th, 2020 at 1:22am:

Empty coffins - what next! See the vid of empty coffins being inspected. Members of the Brazilian parliament decided to confirm suspicions and break into a hospital that claimed to have 5,000 infected & 200 deaths from COVID-19, and found that the hospital had grossly over-represented the cases and its claims. There was in fact not a single person, they report, and the hospital was entirely empty and was obviously still under construction. Acting on a tip that something was going wrong at this hospital, five members of the Brazil parliament went to hospitals under encouragement by president Bolsonaro to break in & check to see the number of patients there This hospital was not even finished, but claiming it was treating 5000 people with COVID-19 while 200 were already dead. Officials broke in to check the claims and found the hospital is an absolute mess, not finished, and no patients. The governor is apparently defrauding the state and the nation along with the citizen taxpayers, and lying about the stats. This is possibly an embezzlement scheme to help bring down the country, and to push vaccines based upon inflated numbers of Covid related deaths. What was more shocking still was the decision to open the coffins supposedly awaiting transport to be buried, of coronavirus victims. Opening the coffins, the MP’s were shocked, but not surprised, when they were found to be empty. https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/06/empty-coffins-empty-hospital-brazilian-mps-expose-biggest-covid-19-hoax-known-to-date/

This has got to be the most stupid conspiracy theory yet.
Are you really trying to say that multiple countries are faking thousands of deaths?
All because you read it on some conspiracy theory blog

https://fort-russ.com/2020/06/empty-coffins-empty-hospital-brazilian-mps-expose-biggest-covid-19-hoax-known-to-date/

Slightly off topic but I'm really not inclined to believe anything I read on a website that throws up a message like this.

I AM using Firefox!!! Latest version!! Maybe NoScript or uBlock Origin confuses them? ::)

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The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 4^th, 2020 at 12:49pm:

Are you really trying to say that multiple countries are faking thousands of deaths?

Try reading the OP:

Dr. Dan Erickson:  When someone dies in this country now ... the first question is, did they die from covid? We've been to hundreds of autopsies ... covid is not the reason they died, it is one of many reasons; it's so simplistic to say that's a covid death. But ER doctors now say,  you know, when we're writing the death report, we're being pressured to add covid - why is that? Why are we being pressured to add covid, to maybe increase the numbers? I think so ... (my colleagues) say we are being pressured to add covid to the diagnostic list when we think it has nothing to do with the actual cause of death. The actual cause of death was not covid.

And the sources given above in  #140, like this:

I’m a retired pathology professor ...

Why COVID-19 deaths are a substantial over-estimate

Many UK health spokespersons have been careful to repeatedly say that the numbers quoted in the UK indicate death with the virus, not death due to the virus — this matters. When giving evidence in parliament a few days ago, Prof. Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London said that he now expects fewer than 20,000 COVID-19 deaths in the UK but, importantly, two-thirds of these people would have died anyway. In other words, he suggests that the crude figure for ‘COVID deaths’ is three times higher than the number who have actually been killed by COVID-19. (Even the two-thirds figure is an estimate — it would not surprise me if the real proportion is higher.)

https://spectator.us/understand-report-figures-covid-deaths/

And this:

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000." ...

We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

etc, etc, etc...

Indeed wombat wooli

It just makes common sense that when
Literally hundreds of thousands of people die of pneumonia every year

And

You have an epidemic of covid going through the community


And


You get paid over $30,000 more to classified as a kovid pneumonia

Well the situation just speaks for itself
on what planet would you expect hospital administrators and doctors not to go with the highly more profitable option when all it involves is placing a pencil in a box and manufacturing a tick

$30,000 4 ticking one box

Sounds like money for jam to me

There's an easy way to see what is happening.
Just compare the month by month historic death numbers of any area with those same records in those months this year (% adjusted for population numbers).

That is, deaths from ANY cause.
If the % of deaths per head of population has gone up substantially, you'll know something is happening. If the % stays fairly constant, then the pandemic is not making a big impact.

The thing with this virus is (from what I have been reading) that it can affect a lot of organs in the body, even in young people. People can die of complications caused by the virus.

Put it this way: If the death numbers/% in a place are the same as last year, yet doctors are marking a substantial number of deaths as covid, then there could be cause to question some. But if the death rate has gone up significantly, then that's probably covid.

Apparently Australian figures show our death rate this year has been fairly constant month by month so they are pretty confident there haven't been a lot of undiagnosed covid deaths happening. The only month the death rate went up a little higher than expected was January. They said they didn't know why but I wonder if all the smoke impacted on overall health that month.

A town in Kazakhstan was laid low by Corona. It was isolated and 'no-one' went into help. They all lived, but they were totally internally mangled by the Virus. Then, a second wave of the Virus hit. Health Professsionals, etc left again. The Virus killed all of the 42 people.

After a number of towns exhibited the same downfall, the Health Practitioners were ordered to go in a work regardless. PPE was provided. Towns are very well spaced apart and are usually infected by someone for the bigger cities. In the Cities, people are being infected by Corona multiple times. They get sick once and live, but the 2nd and 3rd times usually kill them off.

This was the first circumstance of proof that People DO NOT gain an immunity from Corona after the first attack, like most conventional diseases. The effects of Corona are much worse, come second and third time. x3 strikes and you're out!

So lets hope it kills off all the Militaries of the world and all the Political Protesters of the world - all of whom want to spread their own agenda around, more than any insignificant Virus which is for ignorants to the Politically empowered and pussies to the Military empowered.

I was reading about some epidemic (forget which disease it was) in England from the 19th century I think it was.
It was rampant in one village and that village closed itself off from everywhere. Road in/out was blocked, no mixing.
There were tales of relatives, love interests etc going to near the barriers to see loved ones at quite a distance, but no one broke the quarantine.

It raged through the village and killed quite a few people but it did not spread any further and for that, the neighbouring villages were very lucky.

Those people did it back then with no access to social workers or the sort of medical intervention we have nowadays, so how brave were they!

I'm not advocating no medical intervention this time around with covid19, but I do think quarantine conditions are fair enough, sensible really.

A highly respected doctor and current Minnesota State Senator has been speaking out about his concern over the validity of Covid death certificates... expressing concern that people who did not die of Covid are being counted as Covid deaths, a practice which falsely inflates mortality rates and irresponsibly contributes to the climate of fear around the disease.

Jensen notes:

In terms of the death certificates, on April 3rd I got an email from the Department of Health that said very clearly that we should report Covid-19 on death certificates if it is assumed to have caused or contributed. Well, that’s not how we do death certificates. The official ICD-10 coding for April 1st, 2020 through September 30th, 2020, during the timeframe in question says this: If the provider documents suspected, possible, probable, or inconclusive Covid-19, do not assign. Use 07.1, which is Covid-19 disease. It says, assign a code explaining the reason for the encounter, such as fever, or cough, or shortness of breath.

I’ve got the Department of Health in Illinois, where one of the directors says that just because we put Covid-10 down on the death certificate as cause of death, that doesn’t mean that the patient died of Covid-19. She said that.
~Dr. Scott Jensen

https://www.naturalblaze.com/2020/07/senator-and-former-minnesota-family-doctor-of-the-year-being-investigated-for-questioning-covid-death-certificates.html

OCLA Asks WHO to Retract Recommendation Advising Use of Face Masks in General Population


OCLA (Ontario Civil Liberties Association) has sent a letter (en français ici) to the Director General  of the World Health Organization, Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, asking him to retract the WHO’s recommendation advising the use of face masks in the general population to prevent COVID-19 transmission.

The letter criticizes the lack of a valid scientific basis for the WHO’s recommendation and expresses OCLA’s concerns about serious harms to individuals and societies stemming from the recommendation and from government impositions of face masks on the general public.

The letter includes statements such as:

    “… the WHO cannot collect and rely on potentially biased studies to make recommendations that can have devastating effects (see below) on the lives of literally billions. Rather, the WHO must apply a stringent standards threshold, and accept only randomized controlled trials with verified outcomes. In this application, the mere fact that several such quality studies have not ever confirmed the positive effects reported in bias-susceptible reports should be a red flag.”

and

    “It is an unjustified authoritarian imposition, and a fundamental indignity, to have the State impose its evaluation of risk on the individual, one which has no basis in science, and which is smaller than a multitude of risks that are both common and often created or condoned by the State.”

A copy of the letter is posted here and embedded below.

Une traduction en français de la lettre est disponible ici.

Related: Dr. John H. Murphy’s Letter to the Editor of 2 June 2020, submitted to the WHO Bulletin (the WHO refused to publish Dr. Murphy’s letter)

http://ocla.ca/ocla-letter-who/

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And a reminder:

"We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical masks" - Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

And this from the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine on May 21, 2020:

"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?query=TOC

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 9^th, 2020 at 8:32pm:

A highly respected doctor and current Minnesota State Senator has been speaking out about his concern over the validity of Covid death certificates... expressing concern that people who did not die of Covid are being counted as Covid deaths, a practice which falsely inflates mortality rates and irresponsibly contributes to the climate of fear around the disease. Jensen notes: In terms of the death certificates, on April 3rd I got an email from the Department of Health that said very clearly that we should report Covid-19 on death certificates if it is assumed to have caused or contributed. Well, that’s not how we do death certificates. The official ICD-10 coding for April 1st, 2020 through September 30th, 2020, during the timeframe in question says this: If the provider documents suspected, possible, probable, or inconclusive Covid-19, do not assign. Use 07.1, which is Covid-19 disease. It says, assign a code explaining the reason for the encounter, such as fever, or cough, or shortness of breath. I’ve got the Department of Health in Illinois, where one of the directors says that just because we put Covid-10 down on the death certificate as cause of death, that doesn’t mean that the patient died of Covid-19. She said that. ~Dr. Scott Jensen https://www.naturalblaze.com/2020/07/senator-and-former-minnesota-family-doctor-of-the-year-being-investigated-for-questioning-covid-death-certificates.html

So why have the health systems of New York, Italy, UK, France, Spain, Brazil, India and Mexico been overwhelmed at various times during the pandemic?
Why have so many more people died worldwide than for the same time last year?

You are doing the typical conspiracy theorist practice of "anomaly hunting"

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 10^th, 2020 at 4:10pm:

So why have the health systems of New York, Italy, UK, France, Spain, Brazil, India and Mexico been overwhelmed at various times during the pandemic?

You mean like the photos of ICUs in New York and Italy reported by the fakenews MSM that turned out to be the very same photo?

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 10^th, 2020 at 10:14pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 10th, 2020 at 4:10pm: So why have the health systems of New York, Italy, UK, France, Spain, Brazil, India and Mexico been overwhelmed at various times during the pandemic? You mean like the photos of ICUs in New York and Italy reported by the fakenews MSM that turned out to be the very same photo?

Florida is the hottest spot in the US for covid right now. I have a family member living there who has the virus and has had to go.to hospital because of the severity of their symptoms.

There is no room for them, they're on a bed in a hallway.

So I looked up the admission rates. If you want an idea what it's like I suggest you do the same.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 11^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

Florida is the hottest spot in the US for covid right now. I have a family member living there who has the virus and has had to go.to hospital because of the severity of their symptoms. There is no room for them, they're on a bed in a hallway. So I looked up the admission rates. If you want an idea what it's like I suggest you do the same.

If hospitals are falsifying death certificates they're probably doing the same with admission rates.

Or the corrupt lying MSM is doing it:

CBS admits to using footage from Italy in NYC coronavirus report

CBS News has admitted that alarming footage of an overflowing ward used during a report on the coronavirus crisis in Big Apple hospitals was actually shot in Italy.

CBS’ breakfast show, “This Morning,” used the footage of a packed ward last Wednesday just after saying the pandemic’s epicenter was “found right here” in New York.

The same footage had been aired earlier by Sky News — which correctly identified it as one of Europe’s “most hard-hit” hospitals located in Bergamo, Lombardy.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/cbs-admits-to-using-footage-from-italy-in-report-about-nyc/ 


A media organization inviting a Democratic governor to criticize federal action on virus testing is not news. But CBS now says that its footage purporting to show a line of waiting patients was not legitimate. The television network is blaming a Michigan health facility.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cbs-says-fake-news-wasnt-theirs-11588789238


The evolving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID‐19) pandemic1 is certainly cause for concern. Proper communication and optimal decision‐making are an ongoing challenge, as data evolve. The challenge is compounded, however, by exaggerated information. This can lead to inappropriate actions. It is important to differentiate promptly the true epidemic from an epidemic of false claims and potentially harmful actions...

As outlined below, for the main features of the epidemic and the response to it, circulating estimates are often exaggerated, even when they come from otherwise excellent scientists.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13222

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2020 at 10:30pm:

If hospitals are falsifying death certificates they're probably doing the same with admission rates.

Well they're not, so they aren't...

Get help smacking retard.

Fake Pandemic Numbers are not new. We can all see that lies coming.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 1:09am:

Well they're not, so they aren't...

They are.

Dr. Dan Erickson: ER doctors now say,  you know, when we're writing the death report, we're being pressured to add covid - why is that? Why are we being pressured to add covid, to maybe increase the numbers? I think so ... (my colleagues) say we are being pressured to add covid to the diagnostic list when we think it has nothing to do with the actual cause of death. The actual cause of death was not covid.


Dr. Jensen stated (above link):

"Do we think it’s okay for physicians to certify death certificates that someone died of Covid-19 even if there was never a Covid-19 positive test obtained? Even if there was never a Covid-19 test done? Even if a Covid-19 test hadn’t even been considered?"

And:

A high-profile European pathologist is reporting that he and his colleagues across Europe have not found any evidence of any deaths from the novel coronavirus on that continent.

Dr. Stoian Alexov called the World Health Organization (WHO) a “criminal medical organization” for creating worldwide fear and chaos without providing objectively verifiable proof of a pandemic.

Another stunning revelation from Bulgarian Pathology Association (BPA) president Dr. Alexov is that he believes it’s currently “impossible” to create a vaccine against the virus.

He also revealed that European pathologists haven’t identified any antibodies that are specific for SARS-CoV-2.

These stunning statements raise major questions, including about officials’ and scientists’ claims regarding the many vaccines they’re rushing into clinical trials around the world.

They also raise doubt about the veracity of claims of discovery of anti-novel-coronavirus antibodies (which are beginning to be used to treat patients).

Novel-coronavirus-specific antibodies are supposedly the basis for the expensive serology test kits being used in many countries (some of which have been found to be unacceptably inaccurate).

And they’re purportedly key to the immunity certificates coveted by Bill Gates that are about to go into widespread use — in the form of the COVI-PASS — in 15 countries including the UK, US, and Canada.

Dr. Alexov made his jaw-dropping observations in a video interview summarizing the consensus of participants in a May 8, 2020, European Society of Pathology (ESP) webinar on COVID-19.

The May 13 video interview of Dr. Alexov was conducted by Dr. Stoycho Katsarov, chair of the Center for Protection of Citizens’ Rights in Sofia and a former Bulgarian deputy minister of health. The video is on the BPA’s website, which also highlights some of Dr. Alexov’s main points.

We asked a native Bulgarian speaker with a science background to orally translate the video interview into English. We then transcribed her translation. The video is here and our English transcript is here.

Among the major bombshells Dr. Alexov dropped is that the leaders of the May 8 ESP webinar said no novel-coronavirus-specific antibodies have been found.

The body forms antibodies specific to pathogens it encounters. These specific antibodies are known as monoclonal antibodies and are a key tool in pathology. This is done via immunohistochemistry, which involves tagging antibodies with colours and then coating the biopsy- or autopsy-tissue slides with them. After giving the antibodies time to bind to the pathogens they’re specific for, the pathologists can look at the slides under a microscope and see the specific places where the coloured antibodies — and therefore the pathogens they’re bound to – are located.

Therefore, in the absence of monoclonal antibodies to the novel coronavirus, pathologists cannot verify whether SARS-CoV-2 is present in the body, or whether the diseases and deaths attributed to it indeed were caused by the virus rather than by something else...

Also, Dr. Alexov has an unimpugnable record and reputation. He’s been a physician for 30 years. He’s president of the BPA, a member of the ESP’s Advisory Board and head of the histopathology department at the Oncology Hospital in the Bulgarian capital of Sofia.

On top of that, there’s other support for what Dr. Alexov is saying.

For example, the director of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at the University Medical Center Hamburg-Eppendorf in Germany said in media interviews that there’s a striking dearth of solid evidence for COVID-19’s lethality.

“COVID-19 is a fatal disease only in exceptional cases, but in most cases it is a predominantly harmless viral infection,” Dr. Klaus Püschel told a German paper in April. Adding in another interview:

In quite a few cases, we have also found that the current corona infection has nothing whatsoever to do with the fatal outcome because other causes of death are present, for example, a brain hemorrhage or a heart attack […] [COVID-19 is] not particularly dangerous viral disease […] All speculation about individual deaths that have not been expertly examined only fuel anxiety.”

...

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/no-one-has-died-from-the-coronavirus-president-of-the-bulgarian-pathology-association/


Quote:

Get help ...

How clever.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2020 at 10:30pm:

If hospitals are falsifying death certificates they're probably doing the same with admission rates. Or the corrupt lying MSM is doing it:

If you need to rely on a massive world wide conspiracy to support your premise then you have lost the argument
You are also delusional

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 15^th, 2020 at 7:17am:

If you need to rely on a massive world wide conspiracy to support your premise then you have lost the argument You are also delusional

What's this then?

Fox News local stations appear to still do real reporting, and this is one such report. They clearly showed the clinics in Florida were exploding the covid stats through the roof by more than 10X and demanded explanations for that. The big surprise here is that Fox reported that accurately:

UPDATE: @orlandohealth
says they do not know how their positivity rate number appeared wrong on the @HealthyFla
website. Orlando Health's rate for positive test results is 9.4%.  #FOX35 @fox35orlando
Quote Tweet
Amy Kaufeldt
@Fox35Amy
· Jul 14
ERRORS FOUND: Florida's positivity rate is skewed. #FOX35 went through #COVID19 test reports & found many clinics reporting 100% positivity. @orlandohealth admits their number is wrong, saying it shows 98% positive, but it's actually 9.4%. @fox35orlando

https://twitter.com/hashtag/FOX35?src=hashtag_click

The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.

https://fox35orlando.com/news/orlando-health-confirms-state-covid-19-report-has-errors

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 15^th, 2020 at 9:31pm:

What's this then? Fox News local stations appear to still do real reporting, and this is one such report. They clearly showed the clinics in Florida were exploding the covid stats through the roof by more than 10X and demanded explanations for that. The big surprise here is that Fox reported that accurately:

From your own link


Quote:

They confirmed that although private and public laboratories are required to report positive and negative results to the state immediately, some have not. Specifically, they said that some smaller, private labs were not reporting negative test result data to the state.

So the number of positive results is accurate. It's just that some of them are not reporting the negative results, that's the only reason that the positivity rate us skewed

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 7:49am:

So the number of positive results is accurate. It's just that some of them are not reporting the negative results, that's the only reason that the positivity rate us skewed

Only in the smaller, private labs: "Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent."


The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 15^th, 2020 at 7:17am:

a massive world wide conspiracy

How else to describe the failure of the MSM all around the world to report on a four-year study, peer reviewed and all, by an engineering team at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, that showed World Trade Center Building 7 did not collapse due to fire? The collapse was instead caused by a near simultaneous failure of every column in the building.  By near simultaneous they mean a gap of one point three seconds.  IOW, it was only 1.3 seconds away from a total simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

The team, led by Prof. J. Leroy Hulsey, did not go further and investigate what did cause this near simultaneous failure, but what else could have caused it but explosives?

This is huge news! 

On top of that, a peer review which upheld these findings and conclusions makes it even more newsworthy!

Yet there's been hardly a murmur from the MSM or the big news agencies anywhere in the world on this more than breaking news. That's proof of a massive world wide conspiracy right there.

And how convenient for covid-19 fear and panic to arrive on the scene not long after the release of this four-year peer reviewed study.

Now there's something to keep the populace distracted big time.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17^th, 2020 at 12:34am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 7:49am: So the number of positive results is accurate. It's just that some of them are not reporting the negative results, that's the only reason that the positivity rate us skewed Only in the smaller, private labs: "Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent."

You do understand what positivity rate means don't you?
If you neglect to report negative results then that affects the positivity rate
It doesn't affect the positive results. The positive results are still accurate.


wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17^th, 2020 at 12:34am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 15th, 2020 at 7:17am: a massive world wide conspiracy How else to describe the failure of the MSM all around the world to report on a four-year study, peer reviewed and all, by an engineering team at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, that showed World Trade Center Building 7 did not collapse due to fire? The collapse was instead caused by a near simultaneous failure of every column in the building.  By near simultaneous they mean a gap of one point three seconds.  IOW, it was only 1.3 seconds away from a total simultaneous failure of every column in the building. The team, led by Prof. J. Leroy Hulsey, did not go further and investigate what did cause this near simultaneous failure, but what else could have caused it but explosives? This is huge news!  On top of that, a peer review which upheld these findings and conclusions makes it even more newsworthy! Yet there's been hardly a murmur from the MSM or the big news agencies anywhere in the world on this more than breaking news. That's proof of a massive world wide conspiracy right there. And how convenient for covid-19 fear and panic to arrive on the scene not long after the release of this four-year peer reviewed study. Now there's something to keep the populace distracted big time.

Ok you are a loony conspiracy theory nutter
I won't bother trying to use reason and logic with you.

You'll find if you analyse the data, Florida on a state level is lumping together the Positive tests and the anti-body tests to lower the "positive rate" and they're even altering the hospitalisation rates as there are fewer that they're reporting on a state level than the local municipalities (that the state can't access to change the data) are reporting.  The total is much higher when added together than what the state is showing.

The state has even admitted they're altering the data and fired a statistician who refused to alter the data for them.

So there is plenty of underreporting in Red states, so there is fake data.

It's just in an attempt to make the impacts of the virus seem lesser, not worse as woody is trying to claim, as if they're being directed to do so for purely political motives.

Again, we see smaller local stations covering issues that get ignored by the major networks:

'Dr. Scott Atlas of the Hoover Institute ...  emphasized the fact that the death rates are not going up, despite the increase in cases. “And that’s what really counts, are we getting people who are really sick and dying, and we’re not, and when we look at the hospitalizations, yes, hospitals are more crowded, but that’s mainly due to the re-installation of medical care for non COVID-19 patients.”

'Dr. Atlas used Texas of an example saying, “90+% of ICU beds are occupied, but only 15% are COVID patients. 85% of the occupied beds are not COVID patients. I think we have to look at the data and be aware that it doesn’t matter if younger, healthier people get infected, I  don’t know how often that has to be said, they have nearly zero risk of a problem from this. The only thing that counts are the older, more vulnerable people getting infected. And there’s no evidence that they really are ... 99% of people who get infected have no significant problem  ... There's zero reason to lock down the schools when the children have no risk” '

Dr. Scott Atlas disputes COVID-19 fear mongering tactics from health officials

And:

Unmasking The Science You Aren’t Hearing On TV - COVID-19 Facts from the Frontline

If you assume everyone who dies of corona is extra you're overcounting
- Dr. Michael Levitt

The case fatality rate is just completely and absolutely overstated 
- Dr. Alan Preston

The problem is, without the economy open, we're having more "deaths of despair" than deaths from the covid virus
- Dr. Michael Roizen

The collateral damage of the economy shutdown is becoming far worse than the virus itself  
- Dr. Dan Erikson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgP_Au5RZVw

On that point of the lockdowns, a data analyst in South Africa asserts the consequences of the country’s lockdown will lead to 29-times more deaths than from the coronavirus itself:

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-05-05-actuaries-warn-ramaphosa-of-a-humanitarian-disaster-to-dwarf-covid-19-if-restrictive-lockdown-is-not-lifted/

More Britons have been killed by flu and pneumonia than coronavirus for seven weeks in a row, new data reveals

Published: 01:33 BST, 12 August 2020 | Updated: 01:45 BST, 12 August 2020

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8617795/More-Britons-killed-flu-pneumonia-coronavirus-seven-weeks.html

U.K. May Scrap Coronavirus Daily Death Toll After Experts Find Officials ‘Over-Exaggerating’ Count

The official Covid-19 daily death toll may never be brought back following an investigation into Public Health England's method of counting it, the Telegraph understands.

The conclusions of the review, which was ordered by Matt Hancock after it emerged officials were "over-exaggerating” deaths from the virus, are expected this week ...

Oxford University experts revealed a significant proportion of the daily out-of-hospital death toll relates to patients who recovered from the virus weeks or months earlier.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/09/daily-covid-death-count-could-scrapped/

wow szhit evidence

wombatwoody wrote on Aug 15^th, 2020 at 10:34pm:

More Britons have been killed by flu and pneumonia than coronavirus for seven weeks in a row, new data reveals Published: 01:33 BST, 12 August 2020 | Updated: 01:45 BST, 12 August 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8617795/More-Britons-killed-flu-pneumonia-coronavirus-seven-weeks.html

Quote:

For much of the worst days of the pandemic, Covid-19 deaths far outnumbered those linked to flu or pneumonia. But the gap has narrowed, and flu and pneumonia became a more common cause of death for the first time since March in the week ending June 19.

maybe that's why they have eased restrictions in the UK

September 11, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – On August 14, I wrote a blog titled “The two most dangerous men in the world?” It was inspired by a video by Dave Cullen, the Irish Internet blogger whom I consider to be one of the more well-informed, brilliant, and bluntly honest research analysts on the Wuhan virus crisis. Today, I must present and comment on yet another of his videos, It’s time to wake up, that was published just today. It is a half-hour blockbuster. You absolutely MUST take the time to watch it.

Cullen astutely takes viewers through a series of charts, text excerpts, and video statements by various notable persons related to the pandemic. In the process, he presents what I consider to be a very solid case for the title of this blog post. My comments won’t do justice to the impact of the video, so please don’t rely on these limited details to understand the full, crucial video presentation.

Folks, if you continue to believe the lies that you are being fed by most of the media, liberal political leaders, and by your governments and health ministries, then we are heading for a never-in-history level of grief, loss of freedoms and tyranny all over the world that you cannot now even imagine.

Yes, it is that serious. And I say that not because of Dave Cullen’s video. I say it because I recognize from my own intensive research every day for the past several months that everything he presents in the video is likely right on the mark...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh6VnB7JvW0&feature=youtu.be


https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/people-behind-climate-change-agenda-accelerating-their-plans-with-the-covid-scam-are-deeply-cruel-evil-and-psychotic-people

Seek professional help.  You are showing an unhealthy detachment from reality, one where you're painting yourself as being one of the few to know the secret the truth, the hero standing up to an invisible foe, one that will lead you down a path of hurting yourself, or others.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 7:22am:

Seek professional help.  You are showing an unhealthy detachment from reality, one where you're painting yourself as being one of the few to know the secret the truth, the hero standing up to an invisible foe, one that will lead you down a path of hurting yourself, or others.

The reality is presented in that vid. Why don't you address that instead of showing everyone how much of a lackey you are?

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 16^th, 2020 at 8:18pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:22am: Seek professional help.  You are showing an unhealthy detachment from reality, one where you're painting yourself as being one of the few to know the secret the truth, the hero standing up to an invisible foe, one that will lead you down a path of hurting yourself, or others. The reality is presented in that vid. Why don't you address that instead of showing everyone how much of a lackey you are?

The YouTuber in your vid is yet another known conspiracy theorist.  Cullen made his first video criticising the public response to the coronavirus outbreak back in Feb, since then he has released over 30 videos related to COVID-19, questioning its severity, the use of face masks, governmental responses, future vaccines, "the agenda/narrative" and other predictable views.

He is of the opinion that "this entire situation is the largest hoax in human history", connecting COVID-19 with agendas such as the limiting of population growth to mitigate the climate change hoax and an introduction of global food shortages to force people to change to lab-grown meat.

Sometimes a source, sharing their uninformed opinion even if there is a fairly decent production value to it, their claims are so stupid that they're not worth fact-checking, especially on the request of someone like you.

But I'm willing to give it a go if you can answer this.

You believe everything he's said in the video is true right, so what would it take to change your mind?

What standard of evidence, what source would you need me to quote that you'll accept and not try to weasel your way out of it?

Are you even open to changing your mind and accepting the reality of the situation rather than only the opinions of conspiracy YouTubers that you agree with?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 19^th, 2020 at 8:04am:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:18pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:22am: Seek professional help.  You are showing an unhealthy detachment from reality, one where you're painting yourself as being one of the few to know the secret the truth, the hero standing up to an invisible foe, one that will lead you down a path of hurting yourself, or others. The reality is presented in that vid. Why don't you address that instead of showing everyone how much of a lackey you are? The YouTuber in your vid is yet another known conspiracy theorist.  Cullen made his first video criticising the public response to the coronavirus outbreak back in Feb, since then he has released over 30 videos related to COVID-19, questioning its severity, the use of face masks, governmental responses, future vaccines, "the agenda/narrative" and other predictable views. He is of the opinion that "this entire situation is the largest hoax in human history", connecting COVID-19 with agendas such as the limiting of population growth to mitigate the climate change hoax and an introduction of global food shortages to force people to change to lab-grown meat. Sometimes a source, sharing their uninformed opinion even if there is a fairly decent production value to it, their claims are so stupid that they're not worth fact-checking, especially on the request of someone like you. But I'm willing to give it a go if you can answer this. You believe everything he's said in the video is true right, so what would it take to change your mind? What standard of evidence, what source would you need me to quote that you'll accept and not try to weasel your way out of it? Are you even open to changing your mind and accepting the reality of the situation rather than only the opinions of conspiracy YouTubers that you agree with?

Conspiracies are a fact of life. And when they are happening whistleblowers are routinely derided, ridiculed etc until they are vindicated then they get ignored by govts and the MSM. That's the way it works.

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2020 at 3:00pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 19th, 2020 at 8:04am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 8:18pm: ProudKangaroo wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:22am: Seek professional help.  You are showing an unhealthy detachment from reality, one where you're painting yourself as being one of the few to know the secret the truth, the hero standing up to an invisible foe, one that will lead you down a path of hurting yourself, or others. The reality is presented in that vid. Why don't you address that instead of showing everyone how much of a lackey you are? The YouTuber in your vid is yet another known conspiracy theorist.  Cullen made his first video criticising the public response to the coronavirus outbreak back in Feb, since then he has released over 30 videos related to COVID-19, questioning its severity, the use of face masks, governmental responses, future vaccines, "the agenda/narrative" and other predictable views. He is of the opinion that "this entire situation is the largest hoax in human history", connecting COVID-19 with agendas such as the limiting of population growth to mitigate the climate change hoax and an introduction of global food shortages to force people to change to lab-grown meat. Sometimes a source, sharing their uninformed opinion even if there is a fairly decent production value to it, their claims are so stupid that they're not worth fact-checking, especially on the request of someone like you. But I'm willing to give it a go if you can answer this. You believe everything he's said in the video is true right, so what would it take to change your mind? What standard of evidence, what source would you need me to quote that you'll accept and not try to weasel your way out of it? Are you even open to changing your mind and accepting the reality of the situation rather than only the opinions of conspiracy YouTubers that you agree with? Conspiracies are a fact of life. And when they are happening whistleblowers are routinely derided, ridiculed etc until they are vindicated then they get ignored by govts and the MSM. That's the way it works.

Are they though?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2020 at 3:05pm:

Are they though?

Yes.

If a decade ago someone had suggested that the CIA overthrew legitimately elected governments around the world they would've been branded a conspiracy theorist. Yet that is indeed what happened:

"Sixty years after the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, a declassified CIA document acknowledges that the agency was involved in the 1953 coup."

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/19/politics/cia-iran-1953-coup/?hpt=po_c2

Time Magazine’s financial columnist Justin Fox writes:

In fact, conspiracies are so common that judges are trained to look at conspiracy allegations as just another legal claim to be disproven or proven based on the specific evidence:

In the US, Federal and all 50 state’s codes include specific statutes addressing conspiracy, and providing the punishment for people who commit conspiracies. The heads of Enron were found guilty of conspiracy, as was the head of Adelphia. Numerous lower-level government officials have been found guilty of conspiracy.

Some financial market conspiracies are real. Most good investigative reporters are conspiracy theorists, by the way.

A common defense to people trying sidetrack investigations into potential conspiracies is to say that “someone would have spilled the beans” if there were really a conspiracy.

But famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg explains:

It is a commonplace that “you can’t keep secrets in Washington” or “in a democracy, no matter how sensitive the secret, you’re likely to read it the next day in the New York Times.” These truisms are flatly false. They are in fact cover stories, ways of flattering and misleading journalists and their readers, part of the process of keeping secrets well. Of course eventually many secrets do get out that wouldn’t in a fully totalitarian society. But the fact is that the overwhelming majority of secrets do not leak to the American public. This is true even when the information withheld is well known to an enemy and when it is clearly essential to the functioning of the congressional war power and to any democratic control of foreign policy. The reality unknown to the public and to most members of Congress and the press is that secrets that would be of the greatest import to many of them can be kept from them reliably for decades by the executive branch, even though they are known to thousands of insiders.'

You cant equate the pentagon papers with this

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 9:22pm:

You cant equate the pentagon papers with this

Why not?

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 9:34pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 24th, 2020 at 9:22pm: You cant equate the pentagon papers with this Why not?

OIne was a real cover up one is invented in CTers heads

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 9:36pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2020 at 9:34pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 24th, 2020 at 9:22pm: You cant equate the pentagon papers with this Why not? OIne was a real cover up one is invented in CTers heads

Thanks for admitting conspiracies do happen.

I said cover up it wasnt a conspiracy

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 9:18pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 22nd, 2020 at 3:05pm: Are they though? Yes. If a decade ago someone had suggested that the CIA overthrew legitimately elected governments around the world they would've been branded a conspiracy theorist. Yet that is indeed what happened:

Thats not true. Its been well documented and accepted fact that at least since the Bay of Pigs disaster in 1961 that the CIA was attempting to and succeeding on occasion to overthrow legitimate governments.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 9:49pm:

I said cover up it wasnt a conspiracy

That's a conspiracy by definition.

rhino wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 10:15pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2020 at 9:18pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 22nd, 2020 at 3:05pm: Are they though? Yes. If a decade ago someone had suggested that the CIA overthrew legitimately elected governments around the world they would've been branded a conspiracy theorist. Yet that is indeed what happened: Thats not true. Its been well documented and accepted fact that at least since the Bay of Pigs disaster in 1961 that the CIA was attempting to and succeeding on occasion to overthrow legitimate governments.

'In Central America, Israel and the CIA armed and trained the Nicaraguan Contras, and the Guatemalan death squads, and the fascist military in El Salvador. Between them, they left at least a hundred thousand dead. Little of this was reported.'
- John Pilger

What doesn't get reported is, to many, conspiracy theory.

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25^th, 2020 at 5:52pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 24th, 2020 at 9:49pm: I said cover up it wasnt a conspiracy That's a conspiracy by definition.

Not really.

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25^th, 2020 at 5:52pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 24th, 2020 at 9:49pm: I said cover up it wasnt a conspiracy That's a conspiracy by definition.

Um, no.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 12:16pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25th, 2020 at 5:52pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 24th, 2020 at 9:49pm: I said cover up it wasnt a conspiracy That's a conspiracy by definition. Not really.

Yes it is. They conspired to cover it up.

wombatwoody wrote on Apr 30^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, of Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield, California, recently posted their video to YouTube but it was deleted - after 5 million views!

Literally Thousands of Doctors and Scientists Have Come Out Against Fauci’s Lockdowns Including a Nobel Prize-Winning Biophysicist. The Media Just Doesn’t Want You to Know
by Michael Thau

... the idea that there’s some scientific consensus in favor of the extreme measures inflicted on us in response to COVID-19 couldn’t be further from the truth.

Though you don’t hear their perspectives on CNN, countless scientists and doctors have tried to warn us not only that COVID-19 isn’t nearly as deadly as we’ve been led to believe; they’re also certain that the real threat to public health we’re facing is from the lockdowns.

For example, though the establishment media has somehow failed to make it widely known, in May over 600 physicians from “all specialties and from all states” signed a public letter to President Trump  describing, not COVID-19, but the lockdowns as a “mass casualty incident.” Since the letter first appeared, the number of doctors signing on has grown into the thousands...

Similarly, way back in April, two California emergency room physicians gave a press conference in which they rejected basically every single premise used to justify the lockdowns. Moreover, unlike Fauci, they actually gave detailed explanations of the reasons behind what they were saying rather than demanding blind obedience.

Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi presented data from all across the world indicating that Fauci’s response to COVID-19 was completely out of proportion with the threat it posed. They also explained that isolating healthy people is an unheard-of response that violates the basic tenets of both microbiology and immunology. And, like the thousands of doctors who signed that letter to the president, they described in painful detail the disastrous public health consequences working emergency room physicians on the front lines are seeing every day as a result of these lockdowns...

In a sign of how much our elites really care about following the science, Youtube banned the video of Dr. Erickson and Dr. Massihi’s press conference even though it not only featured medical experts fully explaining the science behind their conclusions; it was also posted by a local News channel. Fortunately, the video is still available on other platforms that don’t censor views contradicting the mainstream media’s official narratives. Some local news outlets have also acted like journalists instead of gatekeepers and given the public a chance to hear Dr. Erickson’s take...

https://www.redstate.com/michael_thau/2020/07/13/many-medical-experts-were-against-lockdowns-the-media-just-didnt-want-us-know/

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29^th, 2020 at 5:11pm:

Michael Thau

Trump’s New C19 Advisor Cites Research Showing Widespread Immunity! Calls out CDC Head Redfield’s False Testimony to Stunned Press
Posted at 5:30 pm on September 24, 2020 by Michael Thau


Trump appointed Dr. Scott Atlas of Stanford University’s prestigious Hoover Institution to his COVID-19 task force last month...

Way back in April, Dr. Atlas tried to save America from the deadly quack medicine we were convinced to guzzle down...

He explained five facts that were already apparent a month after lockdowns started and some of which should have prevented anyone from ever even suggesting the heretofore unheard-of lunacy.

    Fact 1:The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

    Fact 2: Protecting the older, at-risk population would have been sufficient to prevent hospital overcrowding, (which it turns out was never a danger anyway).

    Fact 3: Total isolation policies, if effective, PREVENT vital herd immunity and, hence, only PROLONG the problem.

    Fact 4: People are dying because medical care for other ailments was shut down due to hypothetical COVID-19 fatality projections (that were produced by a guy with a history of massively inflated projections and, predictably, turned out to be total garbage).

    Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who could’ve been better protected by adopting targeted measures.

In May, Dr. Atlas tried to get the word out that the useless untargeted measures inflicted on us instead are going to kill far more people than even the most exaggerated projections about the virus’s death toll used to con us into accepting them...

Anyone paying attention to the data coming in these last couple months knew that Redfield had to be either so woefully misinformed or straight-up lying that he ought to have been fired and quite possibly indicted for perjury before the day was through.

And, Dr. Atlas was polite but pulled no punches letting the press know that Redfield’s testimony simply wasn’t true.

    "I think that Dr. Redfield misstated something there. The immunity to the infection is not solely determined by the percent of people who have antibodies."...

Dr. Atlas cited some of the research establishing that, contrary to Redfield’s testimony to Congress, a lot more than just 10 percent of Americans now have immunity to COVID-19. He had to remind Alexander that he could… you know… take a look at the data himself and figure out who was right.

...it’s long past time someone investigated why the medical bureaucrats in charge of our response to COVID-19 have repeatedly spread information they had to know was false in order to push us into policies they had to know would do vastly more harm than good regardless.

CDC director Redfield just did it again. And, unless he’s more uninformed than one would think possible, it looks like in the process he must have committed perjury.

Maybe someone in Congress or at the Department of Justice will finally start paying attention and seeing that these people are investigated and punished now that Dr. Atlas is there to point out what they’ve been doing.

It’s hard to imagine a more heinous crime than those charged with protecting our public health lying in order to push policies as deadly as they are unnecessary...

Someone needs to start investigating what they were up to and see that they’re duly punished now. We can’t survive very long if it turns out that the doctors in charge of keeping the nation safe from disease are trying to kill us.

https://www.redstate.com/michael_thau/2020/09/24/watch-trumps-new-covid-explain-covid-science-to-room-of-people-who-majored-in-journalism-at-breifing/

wombat

you must follow the money.

facebook share price is up from 137.10 in february to a high of over 300 in august.

zuckerburg and his mates LOVE this pandemic.
everyone stuck inside on social media
outstanding.

isnt it interesting that FACEBOOK ARE NOW REMOVING ALL clips that dont catastrophise covid ::) ::).

next we move to the worlds richest man, Jeff bezos owner of the washington post and amazon.
The Post has endorsed Democrats for president during at least nine different presidential elections.[112] The paper has never endorsed a Republican for president.[
net worth up 168 BILLION since february.
nothing like a lockdown to drive on line sales.
and the washington post?

non stop catastrophising.

perhaps we could move onto netflix and the very woke Reed hastings  (who junked gone with the wind ::) ::)).

reed has seen the companies share price go from 257 to 527 in 6 months.

and what better for netflix then lots of locked down individuals



Netflix doubles expected tally of new subscribers amid Covid-19 lockdown
Subscription TV viewers soar during Aussie lockdown - Netflix, Foxtel, Stan, Disney+ & Amazon Prime all up to record highs


oh look, there my old mate from amazon again.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 29^th, 2020 at 5:24pm:

wombat you must follow the money.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1588233905/127#127

a very sensible man

thanks for that wombat.

why do the lefties want to make the billionaires richer

i dont get it  ::) ::)

(from your excellent post)


Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has taken a shot at the world’s elites, accusing them of taking advantage of the coronavirus pandemic to put ‘trillions of dollars in their pockets’ while the global economy burns.

‘The coronavirus has put the whole planet into a state of psychosis. I call it a psychosis because someone clearly needs this. And you’ve probably noticed yourself who. It’s the same as always: after the swine flu, the bird flu, SARS, today we’re facing another pandemic, another pneumonia, only in a new form. And you remember who took advantage of these situations in the past, who put billions in their pockets,’ Lukashenko said, speaking to officials in Mogilev region on Saturday.

‘The whole world today has stopped; the global economy has not just stalled, but been demolished. But leading companies, leading billionaires and states have put trillions of dollars in their pockets,’ the president added, referring to the current crisis...

'Dishonestly presented and deliberately distorted positive test results'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06yja21V7xg

And the latest numbers are in showing a huge victory for Sweden and it's no lockdown policy


New cases on the 21st of September
New cases on the 29th of September

Netherlands
2200
2900

France
4200
14000

United kingdom
4300
7100

Sweden
500
300

When will the idiotic lockdown fools look at the data and change their strategy ::)

Dr. Scott Atlas: I was called in because I can translate the medical science into public policy. To do everything (Trump) can to protect the vulnerable, to open schools and open society and to make sure hospitals are not overcrowded. Of course, this is the right policy – It happens to be policy in many of the world’s leading epidemiologists and infectious disease people… There are other experts that say things like, “No you shouldn’t wear masks,” to “Yes you should wear masks,” to, “Hey, a mask is better than a vaccine!” (Redfield) Or, some other expert might say, “No you shouldn’t wear masks,” and then change it to, “Yes, you should wear masks,” and then change it to, “Everyone should wear goggles.” (Crazy Fauci)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKOWbBVyG4g

aquascoot wrote on Oct 1^st, 2020 at 6:23am:

When will the idiotic lockdown fools look at the data and change their strategy ::)

More than 500 German doctors and scientists have officially formed an organization to investigate the global response to Covid-19 called the “Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee”, or Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss (ACU) in Germany, and came to the conclusion that the freedom-limiting measures we are seeing taken across the globe are wildly excessive when compared with the infection rate of the pandemic.


    “It is high time that we took this into our own hands” says one member of the ACU regarding a lack of scientific debate about the virus. “We will invite and hear experts here in the Corona speaker group. These are experts from all areas of life: Medicine, social affairs, law, economics and many more.


    “As the Corona-Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee, we will investigate why these restrictive measures were imposed upon us in our country as part of COVID-19, why people are suffering now and whether there is proportionality of the measures to this disease caused by the SARS-COV-2 virus. We have serious doubts that these measures are proportionate.”


One member of the ACU confessed that, “we have a lot of evidence that it’s a fake story all over the world,” implying not that the virus itself is fake but that the danger it poses has been fiercely overestimated. However, the video was removed by YouTube for violating the rule that no information which dissents from the World Health Organization (WHO)’s stance on the coronavirus may exist on the platform.


Censorship of factual coronavirus information is nothing new as YouTube has quite a history of removing content from doctors and journalists. In April, they deleted a local NBC press conference of two California doctors, Dr. Dan Erickson, and Dr. Artin Massihi, simply for suggesting that the scale of the pandemic is not as vast as global authorities say. Tenured journalist Sharyl Attkisson also had one of her reports removed by YouTube for reporting about Hydroxychloroquine, a potential treatment for the virus.


Wolfgang Wodarg was one of the earliest German doctors to speak out against media hype surrounding the novel coronavirus, particularly when used to justify draconian lockdowns which many countries began in March of this year. Sweden is one notable exception to the lockdowns and they are faring much better than many other countries in terms of immunity.


    “The Swedish government decided early in January that the measures we take against the pandemic should be evidence-based and when you start looking around for the measures that are being taken now by different countries you find that very few of them have a shred of evidence.” – Johan Giesecke, Senior Epidemiologist and Advisor to the Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO)


Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, another German scientist who specializes in microbiology, is part of the ACU and has believed since the beginning that the measures being taken to curb coronavirus infections are authoritarian and unreasonable.


    “Implementation of the current draconian measures that so extremely restrict fundamental rights can only be justified if there is reason to fear that a truly, exceptionally dangerous virus is threatening us. Do any scientifically sound data exist to support this contention for COVID-19? I assert that the answer is simply, no.” ~Dr. Bhakdi


Hydroxychloroquine, intravenous Vitamin C, and even some cannabis strains are proving for effective for some patients being treated for Covid-19, yet governments and media pundits seem to be interested only in a vaccine to end freedom-stifling lockdowns and mask mandates. Clearly, the authorities do not want us listening to alternative perspectives on the virus and how to treat it. In times like these, we should be asking whether those in power truly care about our health or are simply using the pandemic to chip away at even more of our liberties.

 - Phillip Schneider



Medical doctors and lawyers allied against global malfeasance: in conversation with Dr. Heiko Schöning

Dr. Heiko Schöning, M.D. arrested at Speakers Corner, London 26.09.2020

Dr. Heiko Schöning interview in London 26.09.2020

https://acu2020.org/english-versions/

Remove from social media you say

During a pandemic which has seen companies like Facebook and Google increase their market capitalisation by hundreds of billions of dollars

How utterly unsurprising ;D ;D

Belgium Health Experts Demand Investigation Of WHO For Faking Coronavirus Pandemic


Medical Doctors and Health Professionals of Belgium have written an open letter to authorities demanding the investigation of WHO for creating coronavirus infodemic faking the pandemic. The following letter has made an impact on public health authorities not only in Belgium but around the world. The text could pertain to any case in which states locked down their citizens rather than allow people freedom and permit medical professionals to bear the primary job of disease mitigation...

OPEN LETTER

September 5th, 2020

We, Belgian doctors and health professionals, wish to express our serious concern about the evolution of the situation in the recent months surrounding the outbreak of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. We call on politicians to be independently and critically informed in the decision-making process and in the compulsory implementation of corona-measures. We ask for an open debate, where all experts are represented without any form of censorship. After the initial panic surrounding covid-19, the objective facts now show a completely different picture – there is no medical justification for any emergency policy anymore.

The current crisis management has become totally disproportionate and causes more damage than it does any good.

We call for an end to all measures and ask for an immediate restoration of our normal democratic governance and legal structures and of all our civil liberties.

‘A cure must not be worse than the problem’ is a thesis that is more relevant than ever in the current situation. We note, however, that the collateral damage now being caused to the population will have a greater impact in the short and long term on all sections of the population than the number of people now being safeguarded from corona...

Alternative opinions were ignored or ridiculed. We have not seen open debates in the media, where different views could be expressed.

We were also surprised by the many videos and articles by many scientific experts and authorities, which were and are still being removed from social media. We feel that this does not fit in with a free, democratic constitutional state, all the more so as it leads to tunnel vision. This policy also has a paralysing effect and feeds fear and concern in society. In this context, we reject the intention of censorship of dissidents in the European Union! 43

The way in which Covid-19 has been portrayed by politicians and the media has not done the situation any good either. War terms were popular and warlike language was not lacking. There has often been mention of a ‘war’ with an ‘invisible enemy’ who has to be ‘defeated’. The use in the media of phrases such as ‘care heroes in the front line’ and ‘corona victims’ has further fuelled fear, as has the idea that we are globally dealing with a ‘killer virus’.

The relentless bombardment with figures, that were unleashed on the population day after day, hour after hour, without interpreting those figures, without comparing them to flu deaths in other years, without comparing them to deaths from other causes, has induced a real psychosis of fear in the population. This is not information, this is manipulation.

We deplore the role of the WHO in this, which has called for the infodemic (i.e. all divergent opinions from the official discourse, including by experts with different views) to be silenced by an unprecedented media censorship.43 44

We urgently call on the media to take their responsibilities here!

We demand an open debate in which all experts are heard...

Immense damage caused by the current policies

An open discussion on corona measures means that, in addition to the years of life gained by corona patients, we must also take into account other factors affecting the health of the entire population. These include damage in the psychosocial domain (increase in depression, anxiety, suicides, intra-family violence and child abuse)16 and economic damage.

If we take this collateral damage into account, the current policy is out of all proportion, the proverbial use of a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

We find it shocking that the government is invoking health as a reason for the emergency law.

As doctors and health professionals, in the face of a virus which, in terms of its harmfulness, mortality and transmissibility, approaches the seasonal influenza, we can only reject these extremely disproportionate measures...

   
https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/

Global data: COVID-19 recovery rate approaching 99.9%
With 'record cases' comes a record low death rate.


The recovery rate from COVID-19 — the disease that originated in Wuhan, China and was once advertised as the plague of the century — will soon reach 99.9%, and is currently within a range of 99.75%-99.875%, according to the best estimates based on WHO and CDC statistics.

Parallel to the electoral chaos currently enveloping the United States, world governments and legacy media institutions have continued to showcase the rise in reported COVID-19 cases this Fall to bring global COVID panic to even greater heights, despite the death rate from the novel coronavirus continuing its consistent decline to new lows every single week...

These individuals and organizations prefer to gin up the panic by discussing the “surge” in cases, while ignoring the fact that very few people are actually having complications from a COVID-19 infection, let alone dying from it. For example, the legacy media and other institutions within the pro-lockdown crowd has been in a total frenzy reporting on the “record number” of newly detected COVID cases.

With the increase in the global testing regime has come hundreds of thousands of daily COVID-19 case reports, but when these cases are compared to COVID-19 death statistics, we find a steadily decrease death rate. In fact, the coronavirus death rate has continued its consistent downward trend since early April.


...with a 99.75%-99.875% current recovery range, we can continue to learn to live with it without continuing to demand for civilization to return to the Dark Ages. We’re not going to “stop the spread” anytime soon. We can, however, get back to normal tomorrow if we decide to follow the science and data in a sober manner.


Jordan Schachtel - Investigative journalist

https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/global-data-covid-19-recovery-rate

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