I wonder if the luvvies that cry Islamaphobia when people criticize the fraud of Halal Certiciation will still go along with this scam now?

Halal Certified Microwaves, fridges, freezers etc.


Quote:

Mr Mastuki, head of halal registration and certification centre of Indonesia’s Halal Product Guarantee Agency. “If the product does not contain elements of animal, then there’s no need for a halal certificate.

I didn't know they made white goods out of animal parts? Which parts?


Quote:

Other examples of products that may need halal certifications are shoes, bags and clothes, he added.

Is pig & dog leather used regularly to make these?  ;D

And they have a Halal Park .....


Quote:

The rise of the Islamic lifestyle in Indonesia has prompted the Ministry of State Owned Entreprises to open Jakarta’s first halal park at the capital’s international sporting venue Gelora Bung Karno. With shops offering Muslim fashion and halal food, the park caters to the halal lifestyle of Indonesians and foreign visitor

Indonesian Muslims trying to out Muslim all other Muslims to prove they're more Muslim.

;D Idiots.

Read the bullshyte in the link below -

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/indonesia-halal-certificate-islamic-economy-household-appliances-12043814?fbclid=IAR0L6K5gd2ERK5WYk5d5KL1u_6543oSfzs31RYSKRCYx082tAE0TAlf0jrE#.Xpb4Y98fwNw.facebook

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So, what exactly is the problem here?

And, what fraud are you referring to?

With all the focus on Corona virus lately
Gnads is suffering from Isalamphobia withdrawal syndrome

John Smith wrote on Apr 17^th, 2020 at 12:22pm:

With all the focus on Corona virus lately Gnads is suffering from Isalamphobia withdrawal syndrome

What does he mean by "fraud" and "scam"?    :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17^th, 2020 at 1:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 12:22pm: With all the focus on Corona virus lately Gnads is suffering from Isalamphobia withdrawal syndrome What does he mean by "fraud" and "scam"?    :-/

he thinks the microwave is made of animal skins and so shouldn't be certified.

You need to see an infectious disease specialist Benito, having your tongue so far up pessary’s arse so often must cause severe infection or at least terribly bad breath……….

If you mock mormons and their magic undies (which I do) then you're obliged to mock this too.

Fuzzball wrote on Apr 17^th, 2020 at 3:32pm:

You need to see an infectious disease specialist Benito, having your tongue so far up pessary’s arse so often must cause severe infection or at least terribly bad breath……….

did they help you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17^th, 2020 at 9:30am:

So, what exactly is the problem here? And, what fraud are you referring to?

Halal Certification .... going beyond Halal & Haram food & food slaughter.

Why on earth would you think that material metal /plastic electronic white goods require Halal Certification?

Are you that thick?

John Smith wrote on Apr 17^th, 2020 at 1:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 1:03pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 12:22pm: With all the focus on Corona virus lately Gnads is suffering from Isalamphobia withdrawal syndrome What does he mean by "fraud" and "scam"?    :-/ he thinks the microwave is made of animal skins and so shouldn't be certified.

Dickhead.

Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 9:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 9:30am: So, what exactly is the problem here? And, what fraud are you referring to? Halal Certification .... going beyond Halal & Haram food & food slaughter. Why on earth would you think that material metal /plastic electronic white goods require Halal Certification? Are you that thick?

Why do you get so upset over things that have no effect on your life?

Moreover, Halal (and haram) apply to all facets of life.

It's not just about food (I'm not sure who told you it was).

Maybe you should do some research - if you don't, your ignorance is going to continue to make you (unnecessarily) upset.

In Australia. Microwave Ovens need to meet Australian Standards.

They must be blessed by the Holy Water of Australia's leading beer. Packaged in an Eski. Have someone's used left thong placed on the plate to ward off evil spirits and be coloured green and yellow with little aussie flag stickers all over it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 10:10am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 9:25am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 9:30am: So, what exactly is the problem here? And, what fraud are you referring to? Halal Certification .... going beyond Halal & Haram food & food slaughter. Why on earth would you think that material metal /plastic electronic white goods require Halal Certification? Are you that thick? Why do you get so upset over things that have no effect on your life? Moreover, Halal (and haram) apply to all facets of life. It's not just about food (I'm not sure who told you it was). Maybe you should do some research - if you don't, your ignorance is going to continue to make you (unnecessarily) upset.

Quote:

Mr Mastuki, head of halal registration and certification centre of Indonesia’s Halal Product Guarantee Agency. “If the product does not contain elements of animal, then there’s no need for a halal certificate.

halal involves a cost.

The consumer has to pay a fee for the satanic blessings of allah on the product.

Oh well, evil is going to run rampant in the final days of the earth as we now know it, according to *Ye Olde Ancient Scribes*.

It certainly appears that they all were on the money, we are rushing headlong into a time like we have never seen before.

I wonder just how sick and stupid it will get, as we continue on our groveling politically correct path to nowhere?

I know the Brethren use Scotch Whiskey as their 'Holy Water'.
The girls wear drab-plain clothes with flowers in their hair and the boys go the revs in their cars on the back dirt roads. Neat little Religion in Australia. You don't have a decent car until it is blessed by the Brethren boys.

Indonesia is steadily progressing regressing towards a fundamentalist Islamic state.

Indonesia is going to get its butt cracked by a alliance of Phillipines, PNG, E-Timor, Solomon Islands, Micronesia, Balinese and other Indo-Indigenous Non-Moslem minorities - when the big War lets a free-for-all go.

rhino wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 2:28pm:

Indonesia is steadily progressing regressing towards a fundamentalist Islamic state.

Why does that worry you so much?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 7:41pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 2:28pm: Indonesia is steadily progressing regressing towards a fundamentalist Islamic state. Why does that worry you so much?

Why do you need to ask? If they were progressing towards Nazism we would never hear the end of it.

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 7:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 7:41pm: rhino wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 2:28pm: Indonesia is steadily progressing regressing towards a fundamentalist Islamic state. Why does that worry you so much? Why do you need to ask? If they were progressing towards Nazism we would never hear the end of it.

I don't need to ask, but I am.

I'm wondering why people on here are getting so hysterical over things that have no effect on their own lives.

Looks like a simple statement of fact to me. The only thing approaching hysteria is the triggering of the limp wristed apologists every time someone states the bleeding obvious about Islam.

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 8:01pm:

Looks like a simple statement of fact to me. The only thing approaching hysteria is the triggering of the limp wristed apologists every time someone states the bleeding obvious about Islam.

Why do you think rhino and Gnads are getting so hysterical?

I'm curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 10:10am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 9:25am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 9:30am: So, what exactly is the problem here? And, what fraud are you referring to? Halal Certification .... going beyond Halal & Haram food & food slaughter. Why on earth would you think that material metal /plastic electronic white goods require Halal Certification? Are you that thick? Why do you get so upset over things that have no effect on your life? Moreover, Halal (and haram) apply to all facets of life. It's not just about food (I'm not sure who told you it was). Maybe you should do some research - if you don't, your ignorance is going to continue to make you (unnecessarily) upset.

Listen Noddy when it pervades all non Muslims lives because companies pander to a minority to make an extra buck .....

& when material things require the certification & subsequent fees

it's a problem.

It becomes a religious/Islamic tax on non Muslims.

Pull your head out of your arse.

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 1:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 10:10am: Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 9:25am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 9:30am: So, what exactly is the problem here? And, what fraud are you referring to? Halal Certification .... going beyond Halal & Haram food & food slaughter. Why on earth would you think that material metal /plastic electronic white goods require Halal Certification? Are you that thick? Why do you get so upset over things that have no effect on your life? Moreover, Halal (and haram) apply to all facets of life. It's not just about food (I'm not sure who told you it was). Maybe you should do some research - if you don't, your ignorance is going to continue to make you (unnecessarily) upset. Quote: Mr Mastuki, head of halal registration and certification centre of Indonesia’s Halal Product Guarantee Agency. “If the product does not contain elements of animal, then there’s no need for a halal certificate.

But that's not what's happening is it?

Those goods from a large manufacturer(Sharp) have certification stickers on them & they plan to do more.

Those white goods are going to require a Halal certified certificate .... which comes at a cost ... & not because they contain elements of animal ...

but because they are used to store or cook food.

You would think that even you average Indonesian/Muslim would know/have the intelligence to know what's Halal or Haram ...... & only Halal foods would be in their home.

Plastics & metals don't contain HARAM elements.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 7:59pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 7:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 7:41pm: rhino wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 2:28pm: Indonesia is steadily progressing regressing towards a fundamentalist Islamic state. Why does that worry you so much? Why do you need to ask? If they were progressing towards Nazism we would never hear the end of it. I don't need to ask, but I am. I'm wondering why people on here are getting so hysterical over things that have no effect on their own lives.

As I said ... pull you head out of your backside.

Halal Certification & it's costs are on the increase in Australia.

Those costs at the end of the day are not just paid by Australian Muslims .... it's non Muslims as well.

So it affects everyone.

Gnads wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 8:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 7:59pm: freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 7:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 7:41pm: rhino wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 2:28pm: Indonesia is steadily progressing regressing towards a fundamentalist Islamic state. Why does that worry you so much? Why do you need to ask? If they were progressing towards Nazism we would never hear the end of it. I don't need to ask, but I am. I'm wondering why people on here are getting so hysterical over things that have no effect on their own lives. As I said ... pull you head out of your backside. Halal Certification & it's costs are on the increase in Australia. Those costs at the end of the day are not just paid by Australian Muslims .... it's non Muslims as well. So it affects everyone.

Really?

What's it costing you?

Does Halal certification increase costs to consumers?

"The cost of obtaining Halal certification varies depending on the product involved, the organisation from which certification is sought and whether the goods are for export or domestic consumption. However, the fees are often modest.

"For large-scale manufacturing the cost of certification in the context of overall manufacturing, advertising and distribution costs has little, if any, impact on a product’s price.

"For example, in relation to Halal certification, the Senate Economics References Committee (the Committee) noted, in a 2015 report on third party certification of food that ‘evidence received by the committee overwhelmingly suggests that Halal certification does not result in increased food prices’."

Link: Parliament of Australia

Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 9:26am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 1:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 1:03pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 12:22pm: With all the focus on Corona virus lately Gnads is suffering from Isalamphobia withdrawal syndrome What does he mean by "fraud" and "scam"?    :-/ he thinks the microwave is made of animal skins and so shouldn't be certified. Dickhead.

I wouldn't go that far. I think you're more likely to be a touch excitable, especially about thing you don't understand.

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 1:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 10:10am: Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 9:25am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 9:30am: So, what exactly is the problem here? And, what fraud are you referring to? Halal Certification .... going beyond Halal & Haram food & food slaughter. Why on earth would you think that material metal /plastic electronic white goods require Halal Certification? Are you that thick? Why do you get so upset over things that have no effect on your life? Moreover, Halal (and haram) apply to all facets of life. It's not just about food (I'm not sure who told you it was). Maybe you should do some research - if you don't, your ignorance is going to continue to make you (unnecessarily) upset. Quote: Mr Mastuki, head of halal registration and certification centre of Indonesia’s Halal Product Guarantee Agency. “If the product does not contain elements of animal, then there’s no need for a halal certificate.

and you have no need to go fishing often, and yet you do.

Why should we allow a Moslem Religion to profit for their Prophet with 'blessed' items to command a higher price against competitive Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox 'blessed' items?

Ban HALAL and relegate it back down to the 'unworthy' level where it belongs.

Gnads wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 8:18am:

Halal Certification & it's costs are on the increase in Australia. Those costs at the end of the day are not just paid by Australian Muslims .... it's non Muslims as well. So it affects everyone.

so don't buy the halal certified microwave.

Surely you could have worked that out on your own? :D

Jasin wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 10:38am:

Why should we allow a Moslem Religion to profit for their Prophet with 'blessed' items to command a higher price against competitive Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox 'blessed' items? Ban HALAL and relegate it back down to the 'unworthy' level where it belongs.

"The global Halal market has been estimated at 1.6 billion consumers and may be worth up to US$1.6 trillion per annum by 2018.

"Food certified as Halal by an Australian certifying organisation is able to compete in the overseas market and so create export opportunities."

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 10:41am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 10:38am: Why should we allow a Moslem Religion to profit for their Prophet with 'blessed' items to command a higher price against competitive Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox 'blessed' items? Ban HALAL and relegate it back down to the 'unworthy' level where it belongs. "The global Halal market has been estimated at 1.6 billion consumers and may be worth up to US$1.6 trillion per annum by 2018. "Food certified as Halal by an Australian certifying organisation is able to compete in the overseas market and so create export opportunities."

Why spread the Virus? ::)

We know muslims don't give aid to non muslims it's haram  and they fund terrorist cells.

I wonder what percentage of the halal income goes towards terrorism funding?

John Smith wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 1:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 10:10am: Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 9:25am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 9:30am: So, what exactly is the problem here? And, what fraud are you referring to? Halal Certification .... going beyond Halal & Haram food & food slaughter. Why on earth would you think that material metal /plastic electronic white goods require Halal Certification? Are you that thick? Why do you get so upset over things that have no effect on your life? Moreover, Halal (and haram) apply to all facets of life. It's not just about food (I'm not sure who told you it was). Maybe you should do some research - if you don't, your ignorance is going to continue to make you (unnecessarily) upset. Quote: Mr Mastuki, head of halal registration and certification centre of Indonesia’s Halal Product Guarantee Agency. “If the product does not contain elements of animal, then there’s no need for a halal certificate. and you have no need to go fishing often, and yet you do.

You asked who told him that only food items need to be certified. That's the answer.

Con the Fruiterer certified his food with a spit in the bag to keep it moist and fresh.

moses wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 3:21pm:

We know muslims don't give aid to non muslims it's haram  and they fund terrorist cells. I wonder what percentage of the halal income goes towards terrorism funding?

Zero.

If you can prove otherwise, go ahead.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 3:30pm:

moses wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 3:21pm: We know muslims don't give aid to non muslims it's haram  and they fund terrorist cells. I wonder what percentage of the halal income goes towards terrorism funding? Zero. If you can prove otherwise, go ahead.

Australia's peak Muslims body, which recieves funds from the halal scam, was caught siphoning off millions of dollars from the education of Muslim children. Gandalf reassured us that they probably spent on swimming pools, not terrorism, and to move along now, there is nothing to see here. The entire Muslim community was so reluctant to demand transparency and accountability that they almost caused a lot of Muslim schools to be shut down. Gandalf insists there is absolutely no reason to try to find out where the money actually went.

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 3:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 10:38am: freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 1:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 10:10am: Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 9:25am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 9:30am: So, what exactly is the problem here? And, what fraud are you referring to? Halal Certification .... going beyond Halal & Haram food & food slaughter. Why on earth would you think that material metal /plastic electronic white goods require Halal Certification? Are you that thick? Why do you get so upset over things that have no effect on your life? Moreover, Halal (and haram) apply to all facets of life. It's not just about food (I'm not sure who told you it was). Maybe you should do some research - if you don't, your ignorance is going to continue to make you (unnecessarily) upset. Quote: Mr Mastuki, head of halal registration and certification centre of Indonesia’s Halal Product Guarantee Agency. “If the product does not contain elements of animal, then there’s no need for a halal certificate. and you have no need to go fishing often, and yet you do. You asked who told him that only food items need to be certified. That's the answer.

no need implies it can be certified if they wish to. It's not a hard and fast rule that it has to contain animal products

Thanks, captain obvious.

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 5:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 3:30pm: moses wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 3:21pm: We know muslims don't give aid to non muslims it's haram  and they fund terrorist cells. I wonder what percentage of the halal income goes towards terrorism funding? Zero. If you can prove otherwise, go ahead. Australia's peak Muslims body, which recieves funds from the halal scam, was caught siphoning off millions of dollars from the education of Muslim children. Gandalf reassured us that they probably spent on swimming pools, not terrorism, and to move along now, there is nothing to see here. The entire Muslim community was so reluctant to demand transparency and accountability that they almost caused a lot of Muslim schools to be shut down. Gandalf insists there is absolutely no reason to try to find out where the money actually went.

So, still zero.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 8:22pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 3:30pm: moses wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 3:21pm: We know muslims don't give aid to non muslims it's haram  and they fund terrorist cells. I wonder what percentage of the halal income goes towards terrorism funding? Zero. If you can prove otherwise, go ahead. Australia's peak Muslims body, which recieves funds from the halal scam, was caught siphoning off millions of dollars from the education of Muslim children. Gandalf reassured us that they probably spent on swimming pools, not terrorism, and to move along now, there is nothing to see here. The entire Muslim community was so reluctant to demand transparency and accountability that they almost caused a lot of Muslim schools to be shut down. Gandalf insists there is absolutely no reason to try to find out where the money actually went. So, still zero.

What is zero?

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 8:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 3:30pm: moses wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 3:21pm: We know muslims don't give aid to non muslims it's haram  and they fund terrorist cells. I wonder what percentage of the halal income goes towards terrorism funding? Zero. If you can prove otherwise, go ahead. Australia's peak Muslims body, which recieves funds from the halal scam, was caught siphoning off millions of dollars from the education of Muslim children. Gandalf reassured us that they probably spent on swimming pools, not terrorism, and to move along now, there is nothing to see here. The entire Muslim community was so reluctant to demand transparency and accountability that they almost caused a lot of Muslim schools to be shut down. Gandalf insists there is absolutely no reason to try to find out where the money actually went. So, still zero. What is zero?

The percentage of the halal income that goes towards terrorism funding.

Try to keep up.

Everyone knows you are full of poo Greg. So when you say something stupid, no-one expects you to back it up, and no-one is left pondering what to make of it.

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 8:41pm:

Everyone knows you are full of poo Greg. So when you say something stupid, no-one expects you to back it up, and no-one is left pondering what to make of it.

Your white flag had already been accepted.

Not sure why you felt the need to add more.

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Thanks, captain obvious.

couldn't have been that obvious, or at least not to you. Otherwise you wouldn't have kept quoting a comment about it containing animal products

"The funds raised from certification applications can be used for a variety of purposes beyond the payment of usual business expenses such as salaries, taxes and superannuation.

"This can include providing funds for a variety of charitable and community causes.

"The Committee noted, in a 2015 report on third party certification of food, that ‘evidence indicates that there is no direct link between Halal certification in Australia and terrorism funding’."

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1617/Quick_Guides/HalalCert

Well, there you go.

Now let's see:

Fact 1/. muslims are the worlds' greatest terrorist threat.

Fact 2/. The qur'an preaches human rights atrocities are to be committed by muslims against the non believer.

Fact 3/. muslims are the worlds' almost insurmountable refugee problem, due to their incessant blood letting.

Buuuut the muslims certainly use a huge amount of their income to fund their terrorism and religious blood letting, buuuut they would never use any halal money for these activities.

Yeah right.

1/. the sun will rise in the west tommorow,

2/. pigs will fly overhead,

3/.the cow will jump over the moon.

For goodness sake just how sick and stupid are the lunatic leftards?

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 5:17pm:

Gandalf reassured us that they probably spent on swimming pools, not terrorism

Bullshit FD.

I said the money was probably used to line their own corrupt pockets.

What would be gobsmacking here, but isn't because its you, is that this whole conversation started when you stated as fact that the money went to terrorists. And now you are pulling out the "where's your evidence" card. Hillarious. Not.

I'm pretty sure you specifically mentioned swimming pools.

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 8:41pm:

Everyone knows you are full of poo Greg. So when you say something stupid, no-one expects you to back it up, and no-one is left pondering what to make of it.

See when someone makes an usubstantiated claim such as zero halal income goes towards terrorists - FD demands evidence before ridiculing the claim as "stupid".

However making unsubstantiated claims such as siphoned-off Islamic school funding goes to terrorists is perfectly ok. Just like the claim "all muslims support terrorists". Apparently those are totally different situations.

Perhaps FD could explain the difference. Or not.

freediver wrote on Apr 20^th, 2020 at 6:37pm:

I'm pretty sure you specifically mentioned swimming pools.

Then quote me.

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4)

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or  the number of his name.

I'd like to be as sure of winning the lotto as I am when I say islam fits the description of the satanic beast 666. muslims love beheadings as their chosen way to inflict death on the people allah hates.

The mark of the beast so people can buy and sell is halal certification.

The big question is, how did the *Ancient Scribes of Ye Olde* times know that this type of satanic behaviour was destined to take place?

1400 odd years of islamic inbreeding, satanic worship and hatred of non believers, has set the stage for the beast 666 to go on a rampage.

Oh well time will tell it all.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 20^th, 2020 at 6:42pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 8:41pm: Everyone knows you are full of poo Greg. So when you say something stupid, no-one expects you to back it up, and no-one is left pondering what to make of it. See when someone makes an usubstantiated claim such as zero halal income goes towards terrorists - FD demands evidence before ridiculing the claim as "stupid". However making unsubstantiated claims such as siphoned-off Islamic school funding goes to terrorists is perfectly ok. Just like the claim "all muslims support terrorists". Apparently those are totally different situations. Perhaps FD could explain the difference. Or not.

But you still agree with me don't you Gandalf? Not even you expect Greg to back up his claim. It didn't even occur to you that Greg might have been telling the truth.

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2020 at 4:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 20th, 2020 at 6:42pm: freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 8:41pm: Everyone knows you are full of poo Greg. So when you say something stupid, no-one expects you to back it up, and no-one is left pondering what to make of it. See when someone makes an usubstantiated claim such as zero halal income goes towards terrorists - FD demands evidence before ridiculing the claim as "stupid". However making unsubstantiated claims such as siphoned-off Islamic school funding goes to terrorists is perfectly ok. Just like the claim "all muslims support terrorists". Apparently those are totally different situations. Perhaps FD could explain the difference. Or not. But you still agree with me don't you Gandalf? Not even you expect Greg to back up his claim. It didn't even occur to you that Greg might have been telling the truth.

Yes FD, I agree Greg doesn't need to back up his claim. We don't expect people to prove someone's innocence, which is what you are demanding of Greg. Its a well known logical fallacy. Thats what we call proving a negative and it makes no sense. If you say someone is innocent of something, thats actually the default position we take in the absence of evidence suggesting otherwise. That is our culture and it is the premise of our legal system. This is what Greg meant, as he elucidated after. Unfortunately Greg put it in a way that is arguably semantically incorrect - emphasising the fact of their innocence, rather than emphasising that innocence should be assumed (in the absense of evidence). Like I said, it is a pedantic semantic point that you have unsurprisingly latched on to with glee.

You, on the other hand, casually make stupid claims about muslims based on nothing all the time. Baselessly accusing people of bad behaviour is completely different to Greg's little semantic faux pas, and unlike Greg, flies completely in the face of our custom of innocent until proven guilty.

In short, when someone says as fact someone is innocent, only pedants like you would demand proof since it is so close to the truth (that innocence should be assumed by default). Whereas when you make your routine stupid slurs about muslims, they are claims that any objective and reasonable human would insist requires evidence, and without it is offensive and idiotic.

Here's another RORT in the Halal Certification scam.

Halal Certified Industrial Flooring - Ucrete.

I never heard of such religious skullduggery & blatent fraud as what Halal Certification has become.

Worse than any Nigerian Scam.



Quote:

Ucrete industrial flooring approved for the use in Halal production facilities The global Halal products market is large and diversified, spanning from food and beverage to pharma and cosmetics industries Ucrete industrial flooring from the Master Builders Solutions® product range have been certified for use in Halal production facilities. The certification process, carried by Halal Certification Europe, involved a detailed investigation of the raw materials and suppliers used in the manufacture of Ucrete and also the auditing of our production facility in Redditch, UK. “This approval certifies that Ucrete industrial flooring fully conform to Halal requirements and demonstrates our commitment to meeting all our customers’ requirements” says Ian Smith, Global Business Segment Manager Flooring at BASF.

BASF Executives must have concrete/UCRETE
between their ears.

What idiots.

They are only doing this shyte in western countries ....... where the stupid gullible milkcows are.

https://www.basf.com/global/en/media/news-releases/2018/06/p-18-219.html?fbclid=IwAR2OOAoau1MQqDB_ji3dIArKqVcy1LnHlvH3tLj3QGr3WnT5Txw3qjyKuro

Gnads wrote on May 21^st, 2020 at 6:54pm:

Here's another RORT in the Halal Certification scam. Halal Certified Industrial Flooring - Ucrete. I never heard of such religious skullduggery & blatent fraud as what Halal Certification has become. Worse than any Nigerian Scam. Quote: Ucrete industrial flooring approved for the use in Halal production facilities The global Halal products market is large and diversified, spanning from food and beverage to pharma and cosmetics industries Ucrete industrial flooring from the Master Builders Solutions® product range have been certified for use in Halal production facilities. The certification process, carried by Halal Certification Europe, involved a detailed investigation of the raw materials and suppliers used in the manufacture of Ucrete and also the auditing of our production facility in Redditch, UK. “This approval certifies that Ucrete industrial flooring fully conform to Halal requirements and demonstrates our commitment to meeting all our customers’ requirements” says Ian Smith, Global Business Segment Manager Flooring at BASF. BASF Executives must have concrete/UCRETE between their ears. What idiots. They are only doing this shyte in western countries ....... where the stupid gullible milkcows are. https://www.basf.com/global/en/media/news-releases/2018/06/p-18-219.html?fbclid=IwAR2OOAoau1MQqDB_ji3dIArKqVcy1LnHlvH3tLj3QGr3WnT5Txw3qjyKuro

How is it fraud?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2020 at 10:10am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 9:25am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 9:30am: So, what exactly is the problem here? And, what fraud are you referring to? Halal Certification .... going beyond Halal & Haram food & food slaughter. Why on earth would you think that material metal /plastic electronic white goods require Halal Certification? Are you that thick? Why do you get so upset over things that have no effect on your life? Moreover, Halal (and haram) apply to all facets of life. It's not just about food (I'm not sure who told you it was). Maybe you should do some research - if you don't, your ignorance is going to continue to make you (unnecessarily) upset.

Now now, Greggery, Gonads is indignant about a range of things. I'll have you know he hates all sorts of people.

Sikhs carrying little jewelry swords in their pockets instead of real ones, Orthodox Jews using LED torches to save them the effort of turning on lights during the Sabbath, and Hare Krishnas growing tufts of hair so that, when the right time comes, Krishna has something to grab onto when He pulls them into heaven.

Gonads is just saving his thoughts on them for another thread, okay?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 11:55am:

freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2020 at 4:45pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 20th, 2020 at 6:42pm: freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 8:41pm: Everyone knows you are full of poo Greg. So when you say something stupid, no-one expects you to back it up, and no-one is left pondering what to make of it. See when someone makes an usubstantiated claim such as zero halal income goes towards terrorists - FD demands evidence before ridiculing the claim as "stupid". However making unsubstantiated claims such as siphoned-off Islamic school funding goes to terrorists is perfectly ok. Just like the claim "all muslims support terrorists". Apparently those are totally different situations. Perhaps FD could explain the difference. Or not. But you still agree with me don't you Gandalf? Not even you expect Greg to back up his claim. It didn't even occur to you that Greg might have been telling the truth. Yes FD, I agree Greg doesn't need to back up his claim. We don't expect people to prove someone's innocence, which is what you are demanding of Greg. Its a well known logical fallacy. Thats what we call proving a negative and it makes no sense. If you say someone is innocent of something, thats actually the default position we take in the absence of evidence suggesting otherwise. That is our culture and it is the premise of our legal system. This is what Greg meant, as he elucidated after. Unfortunately Greg put it in a way that is arguably semantically incorrect - emphasising the fact of their innocence, rather than emphasising that innocence should be assumed (in the absense of evidence). Like I said, it is a pedantic semantic point that you have unsurprisingly latched on to with glee. You, on the other hand, casually make stupid claims about muslims based on nothing all the time. Baselessly accusing people of bad behaviour is completely different to Greg's little semantic faux pas, and unlike Greg, flies completely in the face of our custom of innocent until proven guilty. In short, when someone says as fact someone is innocent, only pedants like you would demand proof since it is so close to the truth (that innocence should be assumed by default). Whereas when you make your routine stupid slurs about muslims, they are claims that any objective and reasonable human would insist requires evidence, and without it is offensive and idiotic.

Yes, but no one's queried why FD's raised the issue of school funding in a topic about dietary certification.

Do you want to ask? FD's too shy to speak to anybody else.

He seems to have warmed to you though, G.

Raven gets Halal certification, despite what some on this forum think, it makes economic sense. In this country we make more food than we can consume and so we have a robust export market, over a billion dollars. There are over a billion Muslims in the world and we export our products to them, now if we don't have a Halal certification we we can't sell it to them. And they are one of our biggest buyers.

If you want to cripple a key part of our export industry, get rid of Halal certification. The question we need to ask is do we hate Muslims more than we love Aussie farmers?

All that being said, it is idiotic for us to certify white goods. We do not make enough in this country to make it worthwhile. It's moronic and shows, amongst other things, the ridiculousness of islam.

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4)

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

muslims and beheadings, why are they fixated on it when it comes to waging islamic jihad on the unbelievers?

The predictions made over 2000 years ago were fulfilled when islam first came on the scene.

They have been beheading innocent people since the 7th century.

It's uncanny how the particular prophecies referring to a beast (kingdom, government, political power in bible symbols), which beheads unbelievers and requires a mark to buy or sell, is 100% fulfilled by islam.

islam is a satanic identity which requires halal certification for buying and selling goods, beheading unbelievers is fanatically followed by muslims waging jihad.

I'd like to be as sure of winning the lotto tonight, as I am that islam is the beast that beheads and requires a mark to buy and sell.