https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/ivan-milats-family-in-fight-over-killers-prison-bank-account/news-story/b8b0c91f41bcfe27e31c17818aee8ff6

Backpacker killer Ivan Milat’s family toyed with the idea of scattering his ashes at Belanglo State Forest insisting he too was a “victim” of the killing fields.

The Sunday Telegraph can reveal Milat’s nephew Alistair Shipsey raised the idea with family after the 74-year-old died of cancer in October last year.

“He didn’t do it, he’s innocent, so I thought, well, he’s a victim of Belanglo too,” Mr Shipsey told The Sunday Telegraph.

“But in the end we made the right choice — he belongs at peace out to sea.

Milat’s ashes were eventually scattered off Sea Cliff Bridge in Wollongong two weeks after his death, in a private ceremony attended only by close family.

Milat’s cremation also sparked a very public stoush between his family and state government over who would foot the bill.

In the end, the $2000 cost of the cremation was taken out of Milat's prison account. Now Bill, Ivan’s next of kin, is demanding the rest of his money and possessions be returned.

He claims Corrective Services NSW is refusing to hand over his brother “Mac’s” belongings and won’t return phone calls.

“It’s not about the money. At the end of the day Mac wanted me to have his personal belongings and they should be returned to me,” Bill Milat said.

“There must be rules that when prisoners die their belongings should be given back to their family, it doesn’t matter who they are or what they’re in jail for,” he said.

“No matter what anyone thinks, Mac’s my brother and we love him and we want closure to get on with our lives.

“Just like when he died, it was all over the internet before we were even told. Now, no one from the jail returns our calls when we ring about getting his things back.

“No one wants to hear that his DNA doesn’t match any of the victims. There’s no match on any Milat. So whose DNA is it? No one wants to know that.”

Milat was arrested in 1994 following one of the biggest police investigations in Australian history, after seven bodies were discovered in shallow graves in the Belanglo State Forest, southwest of Sydney, between 1992 and 1993.

The victims were all hitchhikers travelling south along the Hume Highway near Liverpool, who disappeared between 1989 and 1992.

They were Deborah Everist and James Gibson, both 19, from Victoria, Simone Schmidl, 21, from Germany, Anja Habschied, 20, and Gabor Neugebauer, 21, a couple from Germany, and British friends Caroline Clarke, 21, and Joanne Walters, 22.
Two of the victims had been shot multiple times in the head and one had been decapitated. Three had stab wounds that would have caused paralysis and two of those victims had their spinal cords completely severed.

Carol and Bill believe the truth is yet to come out and Ivan is innocent.

On Thursday the Bargo couple returned to Sea Cliff Bridge and threw flowers into the ocean.

“We spoke to Mac before he died about what he wanted,” Bill said.

“He loved this spot, he loved the ocean.”


The bridge was not opened until 2005; Milat had been in jailed since 1996.

Carol said she felt relieved to grant her brother-in-law and “friend” his final wish.

“Now he can sail around the world, he can be free and at peace,” she said.

“I always think things happen for a reason, but with Belanglo? Well, I can’t reason that one.”

A Corrective Services NSW spokeswoman said that “in the event of an inmate death, the next of kin can apply for the inmate’s property and money”.

“The application is made to the prison where the inmate was residing prior to their death. “Once an application has been made, Corrective Services NSW liaises with the NSW Trustee and Guardian to ensure the property and money are distributed appropriately.”




DELUSIONAL!

I'm half inclined to the belief Milat was innocent of the crimes for which he was imprisoned

and I'm far from the only one.  Numerous criminologists have pointed to the massive holes in the prosecution's case

In time, I believe Milat may well be exonerated -- after the true culprits have died

For example, the woman from Woolongong.  She tried for years to get the story out.  Many read it and what she revealed changed their minds about Milat and caused them to scrutinise the police evidence against him

She was married to a German who'd fled Canada and made his home in Australia.  She was his second wife. She had two children with him.  When life with him became untenable, she appealed to Woolongong police for help.  Her children testified

Some powerful people were obviously involved in discrediting the woman and her children.  Normal or even proper procedures were not adhered to

In short, the children testified that when forced to spend time with their father as part of custody agreements strenuously opposed by their mother, he took them to Belanglo where he was joined by police and other 'important' figures.  Other children were there also. The children were deliberately traumatised. For example, the two children in question were encouraged to pet and raise animals, after which they were compelled, in the forest, to slay those same animals

Dark rituals were engaged in by the uniformed and powerful figures who had changed into cloaks, hoods, etc.  The children were repeatedly traumatised and some children were murdered

Their father waltzed around Woolongong in female attire.  This was witnessed by others. The children were on visitation custody with their father.  He offered no excuse or explanation for his behaviours

The woman was stalked by her ex-husbands associates.  The children were living wrecks.  Child and family services questioned the children separately and refused to allow their mother to be present, despite the children were minors aged seven etc.

Finally, the woman escaped Woolongong and rented a house in a secluded, rural location.  She grew a garden and she and the children raised animal pets.  She was intent on healing her children

Before long, she and her children were again stalked and intimidated via a series of vehicles which parked close to the home, day and night.  If I remember correctly, the animals were 'mysteriously' slain and the house was subject to attacks and arson

Finally, after several years of fearing for her own and her children's lives, the woman met a gang of bikers.  When they heard of the woman's continuing ordeal, the bikers adopted the woman and her children and provided them security.  She learned about firearms

During her investigations into her ex-husband, the woman discovered that in addition to his crimes in Canada, he had subjected a previous wife and children to similar ordeals here in Australia.  His previous wife was too terrified to speak on record, but was able to prove that he had basically disembowelled her.  All her female organs had been destroyed and had to be removed via surgery.  His children from the previous marriage had undergone even worse experiences than those of his second marriage.  Only one of those children was prepared to speak. The other had changed her name and remained in hiding for fear of her father and his associates

The man died a few years ago and his second wife was finally able to disclose his identity publicly

He was involved with high profile politicians, police and members of the legal and government systems.  It seems certain they murdered young people in Belanglo State Forest and conducted satanic rituals there

No one in authority, to my knowledge, has ever attempted to publicly dismiss the woman's claims

What we do know is that police carried supposed vital evidence INTO Milat's abode.  Amongst those items were a striped sweater which the mother of one of the victims has stated publicly, was not her murdered daughter's sweater. And photos of both sweaters confirm that

also carried into Milat's dwelling was a backpack which still had the price ticket attached.  It was brand new, yet was claimed by police to have been discovered at the Belanglo killing site

Relatives of those murdered at Belanglo have opposed much of the supposed evidence tendered by police at Milat's trial

Paul Onions initially claimed the man who attempted to abduct him was not Milat.  Later, Onions changed his story and agreed Milat was the man.  However, Milat's vehicle was not the same as that driven by the man who attempted to abduct Onions, according to Onions.  And Onions described his abductor as being of vastly different height to Milat, amongst other details involving the vehicle involved

The media commenced a vigorous campaign promoting Milat as a mad-dog killer, to titillate and brainwash the public.  Numerous books, documentaries, etc. further worked to paint Milat as the killer.  Large swathes of the public are therefore convinced by the above that Milat was a serial killer.  And for many, nothing will change their minds

They even attempted to clear the books of cold cases by claiming Milat was responsible for numerous, unrelated disappearances and deaths. Once again, the public, having no frame of reference other than that provided by the 'authorities' and media, remain convinced that Milat was guilty

If he wasn't, those killers are still out there

The police in australia are not interested in solving murders. They are more interested in white collar crimes that bring them revenue. Ivan had to be removed though because foreigners were being killed. They know he wasnt alone but they dont care.

Spot

PZ547 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2020 at 6:57am:

I'm half inclined to the belief Milat was innocent of the crimes for which he was imprisoned and I'm far from the only one.  Numerous criminologists have pointed to the massive holes in the prosecution's case In time, I believe Milat may well be exonerated -- after the true culprits have died For example, the woman from Woolongong.  She tried for years to get the story out.  Many read it and what she revealed changed their minds about Milat and caused them to scrutinise the police evidence against him

I think I have read everything written on Milat and no where have a read anything about THIS WOMEN.....

if rituals like you describe happened there they would have the evidence......there would be hardly a spot in the Forest that wasnt searched...



as for Onions   again I have never read where he made those statements...

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Paul Onions initially claimed the man who attempted to abduct him was not Milat.  Later, Onions changed his story and agreed Milat was the man.  However, Milat's vehicle was not the same as that driven by the man who attempted to abduct Onions, according to Onions.  And Onions described his abductor as being of vastly different height to Milat, amongst other details involving the vehicle involved

happy to change my mind if I have the real facts....


where would the police have got the clothing belonging to the backpackers to set Milat up?????......


where would they have collected  samples from all those backpackers?...

Another interesting snippit:

a few years ago, online, there were energetic discussions about the fact an 'I. Milat' had his phone number in Goulburn's white pages directory

Someone came across it by chance.  Others soon became involved.  They phoned the number.  A woman answered but when questioned, the line went dead

Subsequent enquiries revealed that shortly afterwards, authorities, in response to questioning, claimed the line had been disconnected

don't know if it's still online.  might be

but at the time, people wondered if Milat was complicit in a scheme whereby he willingly pretended to be a prisoner, when in fact, he was living outside, all with the knowledge and participation of the authorities.  In other words, a sham trial, etc. as a means of assuring the lucrative backpacker system that Australia was now safe from Milat, the Serial Killer.  If that was the case, Milat would have been well compensated via our money. And the media and authors of no great reputation, not to mention documentary makers and the media, etc. have and continue to make money

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2020 at 7:25am:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 1st, 2020 at 6:57am: I'm half inclined to the belief Milat was innocent of the crimes for which he was imprisoned and I'm far from the only one.  Numerous criminologists have pointed to the massive holes in the prosecution's case In time, I believe Milat may well be exonerated -- after the true culprits have died For example, the woman from Woolongong.  She tried for years to get the story out.  Many read it and what she revealed changed their minds about Milat and caused them to scrutinise the police evidence against him I think I have read everything written on Milat and no where have a read anything about THIS WOMEN..... if rituals like you describe happened there they would have the evidence......there would be hardly a spot in the Forest that wasnt searched... as for Onions   again I have never read where he made those statements... Quote: Paul Onions initially claimed the man who attempted to abduct him was not Milat.  Later, Onions changed his story and agreed Milat was the man.  However, Milat's vehicle was not the same as that driven by the man who attempted to abduct Onions, according to Onions.  And Onions described his abductor as being of vastly different height to Milat, amongst other details involving the vehicle involved happy to change my mind if I have the real facts.... where would the police have got the clothing belonging to the backpackers to set Milat up?????...... where would they have collected  samples from all those backpackers?...

Get searching

I don't have the will or the time, to persuade you one way or the other

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 1^st, 2020 at 7:10am:

The police in australia are not interested in solving murders. They are more interested in white collar crimes that bring them revenue. Ivan had to be removed though because foreigners were being killed. They know he wasnt alone but they dont care. Spot

its not about caring spot its about PROOF....what proof did they have of someone else????.....

as for the police creating a trail of evidence to set ivan up..

seriously!!!!!!!!

funny they stopped though once they had him...

PZ547 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2020 at 7:28am:

cods wrote on Mar 1st, 2020 at 7:25am: PZ547 wrote on Mar 1st, 2020 at 6:57am: I'm half inclined to the belief Milat was innocent of the crimes for which he was imprisoned and I'm far from the only one.  Numerous criminologists have pointed to the massive holes in the prosecution's case In time, I believe Milat may well be exonerated -- after the true culprits have died For example, the woman from Woolongong.  She tried for years to get the story out.  Many read it and what she revealed changed their minds about Milat and caused them to scrutinise the police evidence against him I think I have read everything written on Milat and no where have a read anything about THIS WOMEN..... if rituals like you describe happened there they would have the evidence......there would be hardly a spot in the Forest that wasnt searched... as for Onions   again I have never read where he made those statements... Quote: Paul Onions initially claimed the man who attempted to abduct him was not Milat.  Later, Onions changed his story and agreed Milat was the man.  However, Milat's vehicle was not the same as that driven by the man who attempted to abduct Onions, according to Onions.  And Onions described his abductor as being of vastly different height to Milat, amongst other details involving the vehicle involved happy to change my mind if I have the real facts.... where would the police have got the clothing belonging to the backpackers to set Milat up?????...... where would they have collected  samples from all those backpackers?... Get searching I don't have the will or the time, to persuade you one way or the other

why would you need to SEARCH.....what you have said   is pretty confronting....and is opposite to what anyone else has written about this case.....

you must have a link......as its a story I have only read from you....so where did it comes from.?  its Wollongong btw.

Look Cods, believe what you want.  It's immaterial to me.  I read it, others read it and online somewhere there are ongoing discussions doubting Milat was the culprit as well as people who believe people in positions of power were the culprits

Naturally, once Belanglo hit fame for all the wrong reasons, those who may have been responsible would change their location of operation.  Millions of acres of bush for them to choose

and naturally, the woman's claims would cast doubt not ONLY on Milat (about whom I actually care not a jot) but ALSO on those claiming they apprehended a serial killer

would cast the authorities into disrepute

and would cause a price-fall in all those books which have lived off the back of Milat for years

and would spur the public to delve more deeply into the official story

Which is more likely to be damned as a brutal serial killer … Ivan Milat, disreputable nobody with shady past … or satanic, child raping big wigs in the legal, child services, police, etc.?  Which would most shake the public to the core?   

There's a woman, easily found online, by the name of Fiona Barrett.  For years she went to police around Australia, telling them about ritual child sex abuse and claiming she had been a victim

They brushed her off

Maybe she has a death wish, like the Wollongong (thanks) woman who persisted in repeating her story.  But Fiona Barrett wouldn't keep quiet and she named several Australian Prime Ministers, plus assorted high profile politicians, not to mention the father of one of Australia's most famous actresses, as being amongst those who subjected her to child sex abuses

Then there's a guy who used to post online as Docker, I think, or Dockers and Painters.  His name was Martin Timothy from memory.  He was familiar with the rough edges of life, being a docker.  He claimed the two little girls who were raped, murdered and thrown in a ditch in North Queensland were victims of a man, whom he named but I've forgotten, who told all and sundry, complete with groin thrusting actions, how he raped those little girls

so the Docker named that guy.  Repeatedly.  It burned the docker and he wanted justice.  He said online that he'd been bashed and chucked out of numerous police stations when he'd approached them with the information.  He was chucked out of Aussie forums so he went to US forums, still trying to get justice

Eventually, an elderly man in Townsville I think, was arrested and charged with the girls' murder, some fifty or so years later.  But he was spared a sentence because of his age.  He was in his eighties.  But the docker claimed the little girls weren't the guy's only victims.  Makes you wonder why none of those police over the years wanted to listen to the docker

The docker also stated online that a gay guy had been murdered in Brisbane with full police knowledge and he named the victim and those he claimed were responsible

Another Aussie guy long past middle age claimed online that Australia's preeminent cricketers … everyone knows his name … raped him as a boy.  He said his father was a freemason and in with the local police. The father and mother scrubbed the boy … we're talking years ago before modern bathrooms in the average home .. and dressed him in his Sunday best.  The boy was forced to accompany 'uncle' (famous cricketer) who then buggered him, gave him two bob until next time.  The boy had to hand the two bob over to his parents. When he complained, his father flogged him, knew what the kid was being put through but the father wanted to stay good with the freemasons, police and the famous cricketer

Internet has provided a voice for many people who previously had no one to confide in other than family who usually didn't want to know, or friends who often told others.  Internet provides anonymity and a voice.  But still, many people don't want to know.  They want it served to them, with absolute proof provided, in order they might make up their important minds.  And those demanding proof positive are usually blissfully unaware that people risk their lives, very often, in coming forward with the truth

One thing's for certain -- the delicate public doesn't know a quarter as much as it believes it does.  And the media barons laugh in the public's face and tells them that a quarter of what passes as 'news' bears any resemblance to fact or truth

All those crooked coppers.  All those people stitched up to protect those who're deemed 'too important' and 'too rich' to be outed for what they are.  All those judges who were paedophiles and poofs while passing sentence on others.  What was that Sydney judge's name who was outed, after his death I think, as a compulsive public toilet shagger?  Police confessed they'd been ordered to take him home and not record all those times he was apprehended in public toilets having a go

and the other one who cost at least one politician his job and almost cost Howard his, an eminent judge who was accused of using C'wealth cars to pick up boys from The Wall

Then poor Franca Arena who stated under Parliamentary Privilege that certain politicians, judges, etc. were potential paedophiles.  A strong, brave woman doing her job.  She was ruined as result.  But one of the MPs she mentioned, Frank Arkell, was subsequently disembowelled by, in the minds of many, by former child victims.  Once again, the case of Arkell was muddied and various characters and drugs motives became involved by media, etc

During searches, I came across this:


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THE WHISTLEBLOWER This was Alistair Gaisford. In 1996, he blew the lid on pedophile rings involving Australian diplomats in south-east Asia. Instead of getting to the heart of the problem, senior management in the department turned on Gaisford. He was suspended from duty, banned from entering his work at the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and had his house raided by the Federal Police. The raid was allegedly because he was deemed a 'security risk' after he leaked material to the media.     Gaisford said that he was being 'treated like a criminal' as a message to others within the department not to assist in any inquiries into the matter.     Gaisford said that public servants in the department feared any inquiry into his allegations as they feared that the careers of a number of high-profile diplomats would be ruined. The internal inquiry into the matter that ran into 1997 was a whitewash

it's rumoured that Alexander Downer was somehow involved .. don't know in what capacity or to what extent

Our public servants working assiduously in our interests yet again

And here you go, Cods


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One woman claims the father of her two children— the now deceased German-born Wynn Kaaspercheck—was really the one responsible for the crimes and has spoken of her support for Milat to have a retrial. "I didn't come up with the idea in the first place," she reveals, "I found out [my] children were assaulted by their father. They went to counselling and [once] back home started to say things about him picking up women while he was dressed as a woman in the car." The Wollongong mum—who can't be identified in order to protect her children—explains that after reporting the assaults to the police, her children opened up to their separate counsellors about more sinister crimes they claim they had witnessed their father committing. “He would pick up hitchhikers—take them somewhere for dinner and be nice to them and then he would take them to a forest somewhere—and he would murder them," she says. "They were actually able to describe what the women looked like and some of them had backpacks that were distinctive and they were able to describe those, and jewellery that they were wearing." The details her children recalled were horrific—including claims that there were several other people present when the killings took place. The young children recounted “five or six [murders] but probably more—they told dreadful stories.” What the children were saying they saw—including that they were able to help bury bodies—sounded eerily familiar to their counsellors. "At that time, police had discovered bodies at Belanglo State Forest and it was all in the newspapers that they were looking for a serial killer,” the woman tells WHO. “The manager of Centacare said to me that she believed that Wynn Kaaspercheck was the serial killer they were looking for based on what the children had said.” The claim was shocking, but in Kaaspercheck’s ex-partner’s eyes, not impossible. He had a violent history, which resulted in the end of their 18-month relationship. “As the months went by he got more and more violent and ended up putting his hands around my neck and trying to choke me a few times,” she claims, “that’s a sign that [someone is] capable of murder.” She picked up her children, by then aged 5  and 6, from school and took them straight to the police station. “I wasn’t showing them horror movies, there's no way they could've even known about murder," she tells WHO, "they both said separately that they were forced to participate in mutilating the victims—the counsellors were very convinced it was true." The woman claims police interviewed her children about what they'd seen. "After my daughter was interviewed, one of the policewomen came out into the waiting room and vomited,” she reveals, “She said, ‘I’m sorry I just couldn’t handle what she said, it was so shocking.’ ” During the investigation, police then allegedly “tested some fluid in the back of the car [Kaaspercheck] had used, and they said it was human blood.” On May 22, 1994, Kaaspercheck was arrested—but not for the killings his children had witnessed. “I was completely shocked because the police—especially [Detective Sergeant] Gae Crea, who was in charge of our investigation—had told me that Wynn was the chief suspect in the backpacker murders and they would probably be arresting him soon,” she claims, “But instead, they arrested this person I’d never heard of [Ivan Milat, 49] on the exact same day.” Milat was arrested on firearms charges and charged with the murders on May 30. As for the investigation into Kaaspercheck’s potential involvement in the Belanglo murders, the woman claims the police never followed up. “It didn’t fit their theory as far as framing Ivan Milat—so they left him right out of it,” she says, “I think they couldn’t link him and Ivan in any way or try to prove that he or Ivan was an accessory.” Following a 15-week trial, on July 27, 1996, a jury found Milat guilty of murdering seven backpackers—British friends Caroline Clarke and Joanne Walters, German couple Gabor Neugebauer and Anja Habschied, German traveller Simone Schmidl and Victorian couple Deborah Everist and James Gibson— between 1989 and 1993. Milat had been identified by British backpacker Paul Onions, who reported to police that he had escaped Milat after accepting a ride from him on Jan. 25, 1990. Despite this, Milat has maintained his innocence to this day and has a fan page dedicated to trying to prove someone else was responsible. His nephew, Alistair Shipsey, runs the currently banned pro-Milat Facebook page called “The Milat Letters” and regularly tries to challenge the police evidence. “I have proof of a Kombi that was connected to the backpack murders,” Shipsey tells WHO. “It was found full of human blood and they never had it in Ivan’s trial.” Shipsey has been pushing for his uncle’s case to be reopened, even though Milat’s appeals to the High Court and Supreme Court have both been rejected

I haven't seen this version before

Continued next post

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Kaaspercheck’s ex-partner adds, “I’ve been associated with justice action for a long time and I’m very concerned about the number of people who I think have been wrongfully convicted, particularly by the prosecutor that did Ivan’s case—Mark Tedeschi." She maintains that after all these years, she believes Kaaspercheck was the one who committed the crimes that Milat is serving seven life sentences for, saying, "I've spoken to Ivan about it and been down to see him a couple of times because I really wanted to be sure if he genuinely did it, or if he was innocent.” But in 2014, Kaaspercheck suffered a stroke in his home and died—never having to pay for the alleged trauma he inflicted on his children and potential numerous other victims. “My kids have had a lot of problems—they had years and years of counselling,” the woman says. “My son gets occasional flashbacks but doesn’t want to talk about it— my daughter knows that her father murdered people and that she had to watch but she doesn’t remember the details anymore.” Gae Crea worked on the task force that convicted Milat of the murders and spoke to WHO about the woman’s claims. “Anything she’s saying is not correct,” Crea says. “We’ve got, like, 400 pieces of physical evidence against Milat, so to even remotely think that anyone else has possibly done it is just craziness.” In July, forensic evidence confirmed that Milat, 73, did not have an accomplice in his crimes and that he acted alone. Former detective Clive Small told True Crime Australia, “There are no longer any outstanding matters in this case.” But Shipsey refuted these findings, saying, “They went on at [Milat’s] trial for days about the group. They said there was no way Ivan could have done it on his own.” Kaaspercheck’s ex-partner maintains he was part of that ‘group’. “He would take my children to a forest and he would murder [the backpackers] and there were other people present at the same time when these murders happened,” she claims. “They described how horrified they looked and how frightened their eyes were when they died—when they were stabbed and shot.”

Lots of photos at LINK

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Can't believe I managed to find this

It's the original version from several years ago from teh woman who was married to the brutal German who she believes to be responsible, along with others, for the Belanglo Forest murders

Haven't read it through, though I'll be saving it.  Just posting the link

LINK

billy meir...a UFO expert.. ::) ::)

https://www.google.com/search?q=figu&oq=figu&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.8386j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2020 at 9:02am:

billy meir...a UFO expert.. ::) ::) https://www.google.com/search?q=figu&oq=figu&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.8386j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I think you must be low IQ, Cods

Your willingness to jump in with your ill informed comments whilst simultaneously refusing to read the content provided

I'm quickly forming a poor opinion of you

Now why don't you quit trying to be Mrs Clever and read the damn content provided BY the wife of the German

and then, rack your brain up a notch or two and come to the realisation that the woman's content was reposted on a now defunct website

think you can do that without spluttering into stupidity before you've grasped the content?

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There have been many problems and accusations surrounding the New South Wales Police – enough of a problem for a Royal Commission to be set up in 1997 to examine the force. The report can be read in full here: https://www.australianpolice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/RCPS-Report-Volume-1.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2SOHg76_Nrjlu6Gi2x2ZMbUIMnBZ3QIV8zzl0blTubFJxRaBxfS6T5xPI Chapter 4.4 is particularly damning: " The only conclusion open on the evidence called in respect of these separate topics is that a state of systemic and entrenched corruption existed within the Service. It follows that the assessment FINAL REPORT - VOLUME I: CORRUPTION 68 by senior commanders at the commencement of the public hearings represented a serious underestimate of the nature and extent of corruption then present." This certainly calls into question the integrity of the investigation

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Amanda Howard, the Serial Killer Whisperer joins us again to talk about the holes she believes are in the case against Ivan Milat. Amanda corresponds with Milat in jail.

Podcast

LINK

PZ547 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2020 at 9:11am:

cods wrote on Mar 1st, 2020 at 9:02am: billy meir...a UFO expert.. ::) ::) https://www.google.com/search?q=figu&oq=figu&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.8386j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 I think you must be low IQ, Cods Your willingness to jump in with your ill informed comments whilst simultaneously refusing to read the content provided I'm quickly forming a poor opinion of you Now why don't you quit trying to be Mrs Clever and read the damn content provided BY the wife of the German and then, rack your brain up a notch or two and come to the realisation that the woman's content was reposted on a now defunct website think you can do that without spluttering into stupidity before you've grasped the content?

this is my thread btw...its you thats taken it out of topic.....you want to take the word of a conspiracy nut case thats your stupidity   I will leave the thread to you'
I cant be bothered.with your rudeness.....I thought mothra was bad.. but blimey you leave her in the ballpark.

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2020 at 9:24am:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 1st, 2020 at 9:11am: cods wrote on Mar 1st, 2020 at 9:02am: billy meir...a UFO expert.. ::) ::) https://www.google.com/search?q=figu&oq=figu&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.8386j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 I think you must be low IQ, Cods Your willingness to jump in with your ill informed comments whilst simultaneously refusing to read the content provided I'm quickly forming a poor opinion of you Now why don't you quit trying to be Mrs Clever and read the damn content provided BY the wife of the German and then, rack your brain up a notch or two and come to the realisation that the woman's content was reposted on a now defunct website think you can do that without spluttering into stupidity before you've grasped the content? this is my thread btw...its you thats taken it out of topic.....you want to take the word of a conspiracy nut case thats your stupidity   I will leave the thread to you' I cant be bothered.with your rudeness.....I thought mothra was bad.. but blimey you leave her in the ballpark.

Now you're really getting ridiculous

'It's my thread'   ;D ;D


and it's not taken off topic at all

The thread title is: ' Can you believe this 'family'

and I've responded by stating that I'm not convinced Milat was guilty of the crimes

further, I've provided you an almost impossible to find open letter written many years ago by a woman who claims her ex-husband was very likely to have been guilty of the crimes for which Milat was convicted … and most likely for many more which police have either ignored or failed to investigate

But you like it simple, don't you Cods

Guess you expected everyone to respond to the OP with shrieks of righteous rage

and doubtless you believe people should believe, as you do, that the police investigation was faultless and Milat guilty

Too bad the entire world doesn't fall in line for you, huh?

but more a case of expecting you, from the comfort of your home, to have at least a partly open mind

Guess it's easier to slurp up the trash thrown your way by a self interested media and task force

Can't have the plebs questioning anything or who knows what they'll be questioning next


By the way, did you briefly peruse my post containing the police corruption enquiry and its conclusions?

Good thing to keep on hand next time the media bursts forth with unquestioning carp about someone's guilt.  If you have that report to hand, it might give you cause for a little doubt and suspicion

Regardless, Milat is dead.  So that should put an end to all the slavish poring over the horrific details and living vicariously as so many have and still do

People died horribly, unimaginably, in that forest and left to rot

A ton and more of information has been purged from online .. anything which could throw doubt on that flawless police investigation into Belanglo has gone.  Used to be quite a bit only a few years ago.  Why do you think it's gone now?  How difficult would it be to find the woman's revelations about Kaasperchick if it weren't hidden in a defunct, wrecked online info source? 

But here's something to consider:  that woman's life was in danger, as were those of her children, when she posted about her ex-husband.  She was firmly of the belief a group of high profile thus powerful individuals were meeting in the forest to sexually abuse and kill children and others

and you have at your disposal now a lengthy report into investigation into police integrity in NSW … an investigation which states that the corruption is considerable … as numerous documentaries and books have also revealed with high ranking coppers and their minions playing fast and loose with innocent people's lives and reputations in order to cover for the true culprits

There's a ton said to be known in certain circles about a guy called Keating, for example.  And wasn't his daughter filmed emerging from Epstein's city pad with Prince Andrew waving cheerily from the doorway?  Funny how that's glossed over by the intrepid media

Fiona Barnett has named prominent Australian (and other) politicians including former Prime Ministers whom she's identified by name.  Yet Americans and Brits know more about it than Aussies

It all ties in, although perhaps making the connections are beyond your capacity or willingness to do

Murdered young people in a forest
Altars which were standing as attested to by bush walkers but somehow were demolished by the time all the Milat doco makers got there
Children recounting to their mother about abominable experiences to which they were subjected by their own father and which has been confirmed by the children of his first marriage.  Did you see where his first wife's uterus was knocked out of her by that man, not to mention the other injuries she suffered?
Child services and Wollongong police had the same guy on their suspect list re: Belanglo. Do you think they're complete morons or do you suspect their suspicions might have been warranted?

Non matching items of evidence
Disputed (by the families) items of evidence
Paul Onions changing his story. Wonder who 'helped' him with that, seeing he was in a police investigation room

So what enquiries did the Milat task force conduct into Wynn Kaaspercheck, a known gun nut whose kids were telling such horrific stories?  And why would you think none of this and more was on topic?

In 'your' thread, Cods

you mentioned a bridge, scathingly

Well, what do you know about the bodies of boys found in the pylons of the bridge which many have claimed was Milat's 'hunting ground'?

Did you know about the kids in the bridge?

They're dead.  Weren't found for a while

There was a hunky dory investigation into that, as well

The reason you probably know nothing about it is most likely because not a lot said about it publicly … like so much else

And Milat cannot be blamed for those deaths too, because he was locked up (unless he was living a normal life in Goulburn as that odd white pages entry suggests, which also suggests he was a willing patsy for the purposes of assuring people overseas that it was now safe to let their backpacking children roam Australia again

Who killed the kids in the bridge pylon?  They didn't fall and from memory, the few bits of official info suggested they were too decomposed for cause of death to be established

there are threads out there in the interwebs where it's discussed .. about where nutcases with guns still prey on kids wagging school to muck around near the bridge.  If I remember, I'll have a look for some info

bodies all over this land, some eventually discovered, others still just a pile of bones bleaching in the sun

Remember the dodgy investigation into the girl found a couple of years ago in Belanglo?  And it's been claimed her toddler daughter's remains were found in a battered suitcase lying by a roadside in lonely South Australia

it was a group of online sleuths, mostly women, who did the hard yards on that case, whether or not police were grateful to have the info dropped on them.  Then the police snapped to and connected the two bodies.  Whether or not they were connected we'll never know

but for years, police claimed they had no clue and were reliant on a facial reconstruction by one of their experts … which, when photos came to light, bore little to no actual resemblance to the girl

and for years, police claimed to be reliant on Dna which prompted them to inform the public at large that the girl was of European origin based on her teeth.  Yet when the online sleuths got to work that was disproved and it was admitted by police after further investigation that the girl had been born in .. and spent her entire life in .. Australia.  Gee, can our experts be relied upon?

this is the case, first to hand, a ton online
LINK

so, just another body in Belanglo. And this time, due to massive public interest generated by the little girl's remains in a suitcase, Daniel Holdom was found guilty and sure, it sounds convincing to the public who're supplied a feasible story

but what if the story the public's told is a concocted fabrication created to cover for a gang of satanic ritual abusers with -- for some reason -- a liking for Belanglo?  If they're high profile/powerful, they can afford to be careless and leave bodies lying around, knowing investigators will tidy things up for them

thousands of kilometres of bushland, yet Daniel Holdom chose Belanglo as the site in which to murder the mother, Kylie, who was said for years to be of European origin?  He'd have to be an extreme risk taker to take someone to Belanglo, considering its history and the interest in it by ghouls.  The whole story was suss but when the media puts its mind to the job, it can be stitched into something believable.  Yet neither Holdom or the dead young woman or her child were from the Belanglo region .. but that's where the mother's remains were discovered

would you go wandering around Belanglo, Cods, even with a big dog and on a bright and sunny day?  Or in the back of your mind might you feel some trepidation after reading what that woman from Wollongong said or the kids in the bridge pylons or the girl supposedly murdered there by Holdom?

are you completely of the belief that Milat killed those backpackers?  Or do you think that those who are not totally convinced of his guilt in light of so much else, might not be so unreasonable after all?

I have concerns about the conviction of Ned Kelly...Dugan and Mears...Chow Hayes... and a few others that'll come to mind.

Milat admitted he did it. When in prison he said he acted alone when the cops tried to implicate his sister

The entire Milat family should be deported back to Europe, get their murdering genetics and dna out of here