The united nations meteorological organisation has been conducting weather modification programmes since the 1940's.

Australia has played a significant role in supporting these weather modification programmes.

I bet not too many aussies know that our government has been wilfully co-operating in weather modification programmes.

Now the question still remains.

Are these abnormal weather events because of mans emissions of CO2....?

OR

Are they the consequences of tinkering with our atmosphere for the last 75 or thereabouts years.

Here are some of their weather modification experiments or at least the ones that they want to show us.

https://library.wmo.int/index.php?lvl=categ_see&id=10542&page=6&nbr_lignes=104&l_typdoc=t%2Cy#.XiuHTmem06Y

https://i.ibb.co/bPsHpGM/WMOcli.jpg

BTW reading some of these it looks like cloud seeding and HAARP technologies are being used for the weather modification programmes.

https://i.ibb.co/HntfcyX/wmp.jpg

https://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/arep/wwrp/new/documents/WMO_ET_Weather_Modification_Research.pdf

In the 1950's Americans were shocked that pigeon egg sized hail fell on them.

Australia Melbourne Victorian labour day long weekend 1955 hails stones as big as golf balls feel from the sky.

Since then we have orange sized hail falling on us.

https://i.ibb.co/bQFWrBx/ozweather.jpg

https://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/arep/wwrp/new/documents/WMO_ET_Weather_Modification_Research.pdf

https://i.ibb.co/w41hMZN/NOAA.jpg

https://library.noaa.gov/Collections/Digital-Collections/Weather-Modification-Project-Reports

https://i.ibb.co/0mrJPBC/WMRS.jpg

http://www.weathermodification.com/weather-radar-systems.php

https://i.ibb.co/NyLdZsR/cstas.jpg


http__www.aphref.aph.gov.au_house_committee_printed_watering_report_chap7.pdf

https://i.ibb.co/vPMkxRP/ascsiro.jpg

You are talking about cloud seeding

Not exactly revolutionary or scary. It's just a case of spraying microscopic particles such as aluminum oxide and silver iodide into clouds in the hope that they will produce more rain.

It's largely been abandoned in Australia as the costs of the program outweigh the increase in crop yields.

https://www.sbs.com.au/language/english/artificial-rain-cloud-seeding

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 26^th, 2020 at 10:14am:

You are talking about cloud seeding Not exactly revolutionary or scary. It's just a case of spraying microscopic particles such as aluminum oxide and silver iodide into clouds in the hope that they will produce more rain.

Did you know about cloud seeding barny.

Do you or these twits for scientists know what the consequences will be by altering the weather patterns


Quote:

It's largely been abandoned in Australia as the costs of the program outweigh the increase in crop yields. https://www.sbs.com.au/language/english/artificial-rain-cloud-seeding

Oh have you any proof of your assumptions barny...??

From what I have found we are right in the midst of it, not only cloud seeding but electromagnetic waves altering the atmosphere.

Ask your buddies over at CSIRO for a full report, I wouldn't mind seeing it and I'm sure the whole of Australia feels the same.

The only conclusion I can come to barny is you must be a shill from skepticalscience blog.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1578026403/0#0

https://i.ibb.co/rxxd6r5/CSC.jpg

https://tottnews.com/2018/06/25/australian-companies-manipulating-our-weather/

Ajax wrote on Jan 26^th, 2020 at 10:47am:

The only conclusion I can come to barny is you must be a shill from skepticalscience blog.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No, it's just a don't believe in grand conspiracy theories

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 26^th, 2020 at 12:01pm:

No, it's just a don't believe in grand conspiracy theories

Like the Koch Bros and BIG oil? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

They intend to own the weather.  Water wars. Countries forced to compete for and buy rain.  Imagine a rainfall-ebay type situation. Those who can't win the bid or afford to buy rain will have crop failure and famine, etc. and will have to buy/borrow from those who won the climate lottery

those who are driven by demons to control

they want to control everyone else because they can't control themselves or their own insanity

As an interesting aside, see if you can find old books, magazines or archived stuff from online about the intention, back in the late 1800s from memory although it could have been earlier, to change the course of the Gulf Stream

there used to be quite a bit of that info online, ten or more years ago. And photographs !  Actual photographs

groups of influentials in the US wanted to benefit the US climate thus crop yield etc. by diverting the Gulf Stream

the added advantage, from their point of view, being how .. if the Gulf Stream was diverted … countries who were competing with the US would be crippled.  So the intention to divert the Gulf Stream would be a double win for the US

and the plans was drawn up in detail and could be viewed online .. maybe they're still there for you to see

remarkably simple to divert the Gulf Stream, to my astonishment anyway.  The ramifications would have been enormous for all concerned.  They were going to drive long posts into the sea bed at strategic positions and according to their research at the time, that would be sufficient to divert the Gulf Stream

if they'd gone ahead, it would have been similar to a little Ice Age for northern Europe and they would have been dependent upon northern America for food

They won't stop messing around with climate

their motivation is greed -- profit … and the 'control and powah' they lust so much for

They've hidden it well

and now .. in it's place ... they're suggesting Russia is messing around with the Gulf Stream

but I'm still searching for the info I mentioned in above post


found this.  Not what I was looking for, but interesting nonetheless

old info, from a time when the public was at least treated to a little truth

re: Gulf Stream, from early 1900s

“every day it gives more heat than the world’s coal supply in 2 years“

and that was back when coal was THE fuel and giant smokestacks worldwide were pumping it into the air

have a look

Pathe film, couple of minutes, from first half of last century and article same age

LINK

PZ547 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2020 at 2:40pm:

They intend to own the weather.  Water wars. Countries forced to compete for and buy rain.  Imagine a rainfall-ebay type situation. Those who can't win the bid or afford to buy rain will have crop failure and famine, etc. and will have to buy/borrow from those who won the climate lottery those who are driven by demons to control they want to control everyone else because they can't control themselves or their own insanity As an interesting aside, see if you can find old books, magazines or archived stuff from online about the intention, back in the late 1800s from memory although it could have been earlier, to change the course of the Gulf Stream there used to be quite a bit of that info online, ten or more years ago. And photographs !  Actual photographs groups of influentials in the US wanted to benefit the US climate thus crop yield etc. by diverting the Gulf Stream the added advantage, from their point of view, being how .. if the Gulf Stream was diverted … countries who were competing with the US would be crippled.  So the intention to divert the Gulf Stream would be a double win for the US and the plans was drawn up in detail and could be viewed online .. maybe they're still there for you to see remarkably simple to divert the Gulf Stream, to my astonishment anyway.  The ramifications would have been enormous for all concerned.  They were going to drive long posts into the sea bed at strategic positions and according to their research at the time, that would be sufficient to divert the Gulf Stream if they'd gone ahead, it would have been similar to a little Ice Age for northern Europe and they would have been dependent upon northern America for food They won't stop messing around with climate their motivation is greed -- profit … and the 'control and powah' they lust so much for

Well said..................... 8-)

Power has become a game for them, no matter the consequences.

No one knows what will happen when we mess with mother nature.

I guess that’s what happens when you have billions and get bored.

PZ547 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2020 at 3:29pm:

They've hidden it well and now .. in it's place ... they're suggesting Russia is messing around with the Gulf Stream but I'm still searching for the info I mentioned in above post found this.  Not what I was looking for, but interesting nonetheless old info, from a time when the public was at least treated to a little truth re: Gulf Stream, from early 1900s “every day it gives more heat than the world’s coal supply in 2 years“ and that was back when coal was THE fuel and giant smokestacks worldwide were pumping it into the air have a look Pathe film, couple of minutes, from first half of last century and article same age LINK

Always the case.

When they do it, its a harmless experiment and for the betterment of their nation.

When some one else does it, its deadly and dangerous.

China now has a HAARP system the news is that it is a weapon of war and a weather climate modification facility.

https://i.ibb.co/yWmRtkD/CHINHAARP.jpg

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a21272688/china-giant-ionosphere-zapping-radar/

Quote:

Avoid Gulf stream disruption at all costs, scientists warn Serious disruption to the Gulf Stream ocean currents that are crucial in controlling global climate must be avoided “at all costs”, senior scientists have warned. The alert follows the revelation this week that the system is at its weakest ever recorded. Past collapses of the giant network have seen some of the most extreme impacts in climate history, with western Europe particularly vulnerable to a descent into freezing winters

.

Guardian


The Man from Uncle was apparently scripted around the bad guys diverting the Gulf Stream current.  Who knew

It's only safe if its ameriKan

https://i.ibb.co/xzRwWy3/haarp5.jpg

https://www.sciencealert.com/china-and-russia-conducted-controversial-experiments-that-modified-earth-s-atmosphere

https://i.ibb.co/xLh2v8s/toseetheeffects.jpg

https://www.sciencealert.com/china-and-russia-conducted-controversial-experiments-that-modified-earth-s-atmosphere

PZ547 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 8:51am:

Quote: Avoid Gulf stream disruption at all costs, scientists warn Serious disruption to the Gulf Stream ocean currents that are crucial in controlling global climate must be avoided “at all costs”, senior scientists have warned. The alert follows the revelation this week that the system is at its weakest ever recorded. Past collapses of the giant network have seen some of the most extreme impacts in climate history, with western Europe particularly vulnerable to a descent into freezing winters . Guardian The Man from Uncle was apparently scripted around the bad guys diverting the Gulf Stream current.  Who knew

The Gulf Stream that brings warm Atlantic water northwards towards the pole, where they cool, sink and return southwards, is the most significant control on northern hemisphere climate outside the atmosphere. But the system, formally called the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc), has weakened by 15% since 1950, thanks to melting Greenland ice and ocean warming making sea water less dense and more buoyant.

Ironically Global warming could actually make it colder for  Western Europe (and that's why it's now known as Climate Change)

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 10:15am:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 8:51am: Quote: Avoid Gulf stream disruption at all costs, scientists warn Serious disruption to the Gulf Stream ocean currents that are crucial in controlling global climate must be avoided “at all costs”, senior scientists have warned. The alert follows the revelation this week that the system is at its weakest ever recorded. Past collapses of the giant network have seen some of the most extreme impacts in climate history, with western Europe particularly vulnerable to a descent into freezing winters . Guardian The Man from Uncle was apparently scripted around the bad guys diverting the Gulf Stream current.  Who knew The Gulf Stream that brings warm Atlantic water northwards towards the pole, where they cool, sink and return southwards, is the most significant control on northern hemisphere climate outside the atmosphere. But the system, formally called the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc), has weakened by 15% since 1950, thanks to melting Greenland ice and ocean warming making sea water less dense and more buoyant. Ironically Global warming could actually make it colder for  Western Europe (and that's why it's now known as Climate Change)

As usual you have once again missed the point that PZ was making.

In previous posts he stated that the US was deliberately  going to disrupt the gulf stream.

He also stated that 10 years ago it was easy to find documents on the internet about this subject.

For some reason they have gone missing hence he posted that article which you seem to agree with.

Ajax wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 10:23am:

As usual you have once again missed the point that PZ was making. In previous posts he stated that the US was deliberately  going to disrupt the gulf stream. He also stated that 10 years ago it was easy to find documents on the internet about this subject. For some reason they have gone missing hence he posted that article which you seem to agree with.

No I didn't miss the point.

I suspected that PZ quoted must be avoided “at all costs” to imply that there was some deliberate manipulation occurring.

My post was to put it into the correct context that it is human negligence (ie Climate Change) that is affecting the Gulf Stream.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 11:04am:

Ajax wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 10:23am: As usual you have once again missed the point that PZ was making. In previous posts he stated that the US was deliberately  going to disrupt the gulf stream. He also stated that 10 years ago it was easy to find documents on the internet about this subject. For some reason they have gone missing hence he posted that article which you seem to agree with. No I didn't miss the point. I suspected that PZ quoted must be avoided “at all costs” to imply that there was some deliberate manipulation occurring. My post was to put it into the correct context that it is human negligence (ie Climate Change) that is affecting the Gulf Stream.

You mean like the human negligence of conducting weather modification programmes without knowing the consequences in some 50+ countries around the world.

And lets get one thing straight once and for all.

Climate change has been happening since the Earth was formed and will continue to happen until the Earth is no more.

You mean Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW).

Ajax wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 11:39am:

You mean like the human negligence of conducting weather modification programmes without knowing the consequences in some 50+ countries around the world.

No, if that were happening I wouldn't call it negligence. And I would need a lot more than a few youtube videos from a few conspiracy nutters to convince me that it was happening


Ajax wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 11:39am:

And lets get one thing straight once and for all. Climate change has been happening since the Earth was formed and will continue to happen until the Earth is no more. You mean Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW).

Well actually AGW is still Climate Change. If you want to get pedantic about semantics, AGW is a sub set of Climate Change

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 11:04am:

Ajax wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 10:23am: As usual you have once again missed the point that PZ was making. In previous posts he stated that the US was deliberately  going to disrupt the gulf stream. He also stated that 10 years ago it was easy to find documents on the internet about this subject. For some reason they have gone missing hence he posted that article which you seem to agree with. No I didn't miss the point. I suspected that PZ quoted must be avoided “at all costs” to imply that there was some deliberate manipulation occurring. My post was to put it into the correct context that it is human negligence (ie Climate Change) that is affecting the Gulf Stream.

YOU believe your context is correct

and it's straight from the 'weather for dummies' textbook


Benjamin Franklin did a lot of work on the Gulf Stream while he worked for the post master general in London

we're talking pre 1800s

Almost from the outset, north American pioneers/settlers were vocal about the harsh extremes of climate in the US.  A lot of them chucked it in and went back to Europe

they were experimenting with burning forests in the belief that would terraform the US more to their liking, climate wise.  You heard right … burning forests

they also came up with the idea of loading large balloons with explosives as a rain-making system and they actually did just that

so from very early in the piece, new-Americans were intent on climate engineering

and it hasn't stopped

Then a group of businessmen, as I've already posted, decided it would benefit the US and disadvantage Europe, if the Gulf Stream current were to be diverted

salient points:  benefit the US and disadvantage Europe

in Florida, the Gulf Stream current runs one mile from the shore.  They measured it.  And they devised a system of driving poles into the seabed as a divergence method

Not so long ago, there was a flurry about Trump wanting to buy Greenland.  Remember?   What do you imagine that was about?

maybe it will help you to figure it out if you learn that very early in the piece, Americans were extremely involved in plans to 'Green Greenland' via manipulation of ocean currents

and it's still in their minds, obviously

' Oh, the defrosting Arctic … waaaa waaaa climate change'

but not if warm currents had been diverted TO defrost the Arctic.  Would serve at least two purposes, (1) 'proof of climate change' and (2) the greening of Greenland.  Which Trump wanted to BUY.  And people laughed and thought he was joking.  Then the subject was dropped and people forget because the 24/7 news cycle constantly tosses up distractions

which is where Man from Uncle came from.  Because non of this is new.  Their plans are formulated well ahead of time.  And these plans go way back

and now, the US is accusing Russia (they're driven to re-use old boogey men) of manipulation of advantageous ocean currents to free up northern ports.  And all of this it cloaked under the vast, multifaceted umbrella of 'climate change'

there's so much to this subject alone

but I'm sure you'll find some handy little sound bites to copy and paste and feel satisfied you've conclusively corked the topic

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 12:06pm:

Ajax wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 11:39am: You mean like the human negligence of conducting weather modification programmes without knowing the consequences in some 50+ countries around the world. No, if that were happening I wouldn't call it negligence. And I would need a lot more than a few youtube videos from a few conspiracy nutters to convince me that it was happening

Why barny do you mean to say that the

1. United Nations World Meteorological Organisation

2. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

3. JORN

4. CSIRO

and the likes are all publishing little white lies.

I think you better take it up with them mate, they are the ones that are saying they have in the past and will continue in the future to experiment with weather modification instruments it’s on their websites so how can it be a lie...?


The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 12:06pm:

Ajax wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 11:39am: And lets get one thing straight once and for all. Climate change has been happening since the Earth was formed and will continue to happen until the Earth is no more. You mean Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW). Well actually AGW is still Climate Change. If you want to get pedantic about semantics, AGW is a sub set of Climate Change

Ok I’ll give you that one, yes we do contribute to climate change by burning fossil fuels and emitting CO2 into the atmosphere, do we have an impact yes we do but it is so minor it could get lost in the margin of error.

Do you believe in the hot spot..................?

Do you believe in the hockey stick............?

Do you believe in 97% of all scientists......?

What about the hiatus barny....................?

You seem to believe in some theories that have been exposed and proven to be wrong most of which are signature footprints of the AGW science.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 10:15am:

The Gulf Stream that brings warm Atlantic water northwards towards the pole, where they cool, sink and return southwards, is the most significant control on northern hemisphere climate outside the atmosphere. But the system, formally called the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc), has weakened by 15% since 1950, thanks to melting Greenland ice and ocean warming making sea water less dense and more buoyant.

"Two studies, published in the journal Nature, use different approaches to show that the “Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation” (AMOC) is in a weaker state now than it has been for decades – and possibly even centuries.

The two studies differ on when and how they think the weakening was triggered. While one suggests it began in the mid-20th century as a response to human-caused climate change, the second proposes that it began a hundred years earlier following a natural shift in regional climate."

"One of the difficulties in identifying changes in the AMOC is that it has only been monitored directly and continuously since 2004. The two studies, therefore, use alternative sources of data to assess the AMOC over longer periods."

https://www.carbonbrief.org/atlantic-conveyor-belt-has-slowed-15-per-cent-since-mid-twentieth-century

Anything beyond 2004 therefore is pure guesswork.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 10:15am:

Ironically Global warming could actually make it colder for  Western Europe (and that's why it's now known as Climate Change)

More ironically that could be the trigger for the next glaciation. Temperatures spike before a glaciation.

lee. still no opinion on United Nations Weather Modification since 1940's?  ;)
Do you actually have an opinion on anything?  ;)
It seems you only came to this thread to troll me  ;D

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 5:33pm:

lee. still no opinion on United Nations Weather Modification since 1940's?

You mean the 1950's surely. ;)


The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 5:33pm:

Do you actually have an opinion on anything?

Yes.


The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2020 at 5:33pm:

It seems you only came to this thread to troll me

You must have missed what i posted. Do you have an opinion on that or are you trolling me? ;)

Then of course from NASA in 2010 we have -

"New NASA measurements of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, part of the global ocean conveyor belt that helps regulate climate around the North Atlantic, show no significant slowing over the past 15 years. The data suggest the circulation may have even sped up slightly in the recent past."

" Combining satellite and float measurements, he found no change in the strength of the circulation overturning from 2002 to 2009. Looking further back with satellite altimeter data alone before the float data were available,Willis found evidence that the circulation had sped up about 20 percent from 1993 to 2009. This is the longest direct record of variability in the Atlantic overturning to date and the only one at high latitudes."

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/atlantic20100325.html

So many dates. And whom to believe?

Of course feel free to post your reference. ;)