https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australia-bushfire-donations-red-cross-accused-of-keeping-millions-away-for-future-disasters/news-story/6a2ffec73800e9198bc090d42b052a01


The Red Cross has drawn fury from fire-affected towns for committing just $30 million of $95 million raised for victims immediately with the charity condemned for stashing cash for future floods and cyclones.

State government minister Andrew Constance on Tuesday said he was “furious” that charitable organisations are sitting on tens of millions of dollars and not distributing it to desperate residents.

The Bega MP, who almost lost his home in the south coast fires, has challenged the heads of the Red Cross, the Salvation Army and St Vincent de Paul to come to Batemans Bay and witness the devastation first-hand on Saturday.


The Vinnies Bushfire Appeal has so far raised $12.5 million, of which just over $1 million has been spent on helping bushfire victims.

About $40 million has been pledged towards the Salvation Army’s national disaster fund since its bushfire appeal was launched in November.

Of that money, about $7.5 million has been handed over.

The Salvation Army and Red Cross have said the majority of the money would be spent over the medium to long term to help people recover.

However, the Red Cross confirmed it would fund a three year bushfire recovery plan but said it would withhold money to spend on future disasters and singled out floods and cyclones.

The Red Cross declined to answer whether its boss would meet Mr Constance but the head of Vinnies said he would be there and the Salvation Army is considering the offer.

So far The Red Cross has processed just 559 cash grants of $10,000 and $20,000 payments are now available to next of kin of those who died.

Mr Constance praised the work of volunteers from the charities who are “working their guts out” but said bosses needed to get on the ground and “have a rethink” about how donations are prioritised.

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“We need the donations … what we don’t need is welfare bureaucracy thinking this is the opportunity for them to grow their organisations.”

“We’ve got people in tents, on lounges, in caravan parks, in showgrounds, people sleeping rough on their burnt-out properties and they don’t want to hear about a three-year program.”

Red Cross Australian programs director Noel Clement said it was “prudent to plan for the inevitable disasters to come so our (fund) remains in place to scale up and to respond when the cyclones and floods hit”.

“This money is all being spent in Australia,” he said.

Mr Clement said it was equally important to budget for the recovery effort, adding: “We know from our long experience in disasters that (it) takes time”.

He could not reveal how much of the donations will go towards the bushfire response and how much will be set aside for the future events.

“Be assured the mechanisms are in place, including an independent Fund Advisory Panel of eminent Australians, to enable a sound and transparent response,” Mr Clement said.

The charity spent almost $2.5m in the last financial year for Australian Red Cross Humanitarian Services management staff, which includes salaries and benefits of eight executives and expenses paid for board members.

Peter Iverson, 72, lost a building on his property near Rainbow Flat in November and has been helped by Rotary, the Lions Club, the Salvos and local churches but he hadn’t heard from the Red Cross.

He applied for a $1000 grant from the government but was knocked back because he and his wife receive pensions.







I trust they are prevented from spending one cent overseas.... >:( >:(

S'why I don't donate... been donating my time and petrol out of my own pocket for months now.... at least I know where the money is and where it's going..

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 5:52am:

S'why I don't donate... been donating my time and petrol out of my own pocket for months now.... at least I know where the money is and where it's going..

i too havent given to red cross in years....at one time I read where a huge amount of money collected here was used to prop them up in countries in the Middle East    which is not what it was donated for.....it put me right off.....

https://www.propublica.org/article/red-cross-ceo-has-been-misleading-about-donations

they are not very truthful either... >:(

In the meantime they are making many thousands of dollars from the interest earned on these donations. The government should step in and sort these parasites out. As has been said, this is the reason I don't donate.

Insurance companies aren't any better. They purposely take their time, in fact withhold claims to profit from the interest on many millions earned from premiums.

.
Yep

PZ547 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 7:42am:

. Yep

Have a close look at Red Crescent and Red Cross comes across as virtuous by comparison.

Charities have collected enough money to rebuild the homes of all the fire victims....and not one home will be rebuilt by a charity.

"Up to" 10% in overheads ...

Seems like an extraordinarily high percentage gone in expenses to me.  :o

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 7:36am:

In the meantime they are making many thousands of dollars from the interest earned on these donations. The government should step in and sort these parasites out. As has been said, this is the reason I don't donate. Insurance companies aren't any better. They purposely take their time, in fact withhold claims to profit from the interest on many millions earned from premiums.

The govt is more likely to step in and take the money for themselved

Spot

Red Cross.
With a name like that....what do you expect? It's not as if they didn't warn you.
Sure, there are hardworking volunteers. They do work their guts out. They're not the ones benefiting from this rather substantial sum of money.

So who is reaping the rewards?
Interest alone would be staggering. Enough to live comfortably off. And technically one would not be living off the "donations" as such. Some little fat pigs are benefiting greatly at the loss of Australians....and we sit idle.
We only have ourselves to blame. We do not stand United against these evil empires of fat self indulgent pigs. If there was a time for the people of rural NSW to make a point...this is it. Nothing to lose now....it's all gone.  >:( >:( >:(

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 8:02am:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 7:42am: . Yep Have a close look at Red Crescent and Red Cross comes across as virtuous by comparison.

Someone up this way got some assistance from a Muslim charity group, not red crescent - just saying.

Yep, like I wrote in a previous post about my experience when being the bunny doing the 'door knock appeal' stuffing my car up with so many stops and starts, using my fuel, and no thanks for it.
Yet, then I read how those in management buy themselves these new 4x4's.
It stopped me dead in my tracks, and from there on, I learnt when younger, to choose whom I wish to donate to.
So far I have chosen our own local fire brigade I directly write a cheque to every year, the Wilderness Society, Green Peace, SES, Blind Dog Association, and Wikipedia.
Get it? Choose whom you wish to do a donation to, that are singularly focused on their issues, not some consolidation like Red Cross. I had not trusted them for years.

It reminds me of our local shire, the exorbitant rates climbing up every year, our rates come to something like $80 per week to them, and when I drive around the back of the shire office, I see huge rows of new cars with their logo on it, all parked there, all day.
Who the f.... are these cars given to, to drive a few minutes to work, and leave these vehicles in the car park all day? And why soooo many?
Money, easy come, easy go eh?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 11:16am:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 8:02am: PZ547 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 7:42am: . Yep Have a close look at Red Crescent and Red Cross comes across as virtuous by comparison. Someone up this way got some assistance from a Muslim charity group, not red crescent - just saying.

Yeah I saw something about that. A Muslim group was out there feeding ppl too.

Spot

You're badly burnt.
You were in a crises.
Thank God the Red Cross is there to put you on a drip for starters. Thank God that the money donated goes to making those Charities modernised, more efficient and more in the offering - there to help.
If 'money' is all you can do at the moment to help those people, then let Red Cross show you how to best spend it then. Afterall - they're the ones who exist 'down there' where tragedy is found.

I reckon Red Cross should make a statement that no money donated for the bushfire appeal will leave Australia.

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 1:14pm:

You're badly burnt. You were in a crises. Thank God the Red Cross is there to put you on a drip for starters. Thank God that the money donated goes to making those Charities modernised, more efficient and more in the offering - there to help. If 'money' is all you can do at the moment to help those people, then let Red Cross show you how to best spend it then. Afterall - they're the ones who exist 'down there' where tragedy is found.

They wouldn't dare not to, after all, funded by the people for the people, to make it their job to do so.
But first, look after themselves, then the people, then some of the surplus goes where?
I have to admire this photographic buff from the USA I follow, as I am a hobby photographer, and he has made his logo t shirts to sell, to raise money specifically for the wildlife in Australia, via Australia Zoo. I was so impressed. He's not silly and just doing a knee jerk reaction and not know where the money is going.
Being specific with your donations is the keypoint.
knowing where the money is going to go, rather than just 'assuming' it will go where we think. Hence Celeste Barber and the ordeal with PayPal fiasco. Who was to know initially, really?

There has been 1,643 homes lost in the bushfire, with all the money being raised and government cash the residents of those homes should be rather well off.

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:59am:

"Up to" 10% in overheads ... Seems like an extraordinarily high percentage gone in expenses to me.  :o

more like 20%  truth be told   a lot of money collected in countries like our   is spent overseas.....without our knowledge....lets not forget they use a hell of a lot of volunteers

Johnnie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 4:22pm:

There has been 1,643 homes lost in the bushfire, with all the money being raised and government cash the residents of those homes should be rather well off.

I was reading that finance guy who writes the book....he was caught up in the 2014 fires and lost everything.....he said he was ok he was insured.. but when it came to pay out  it didnt go to him it went to the Bank who had the mortgage......people tend not to keep up to date with the cost of household items   and sadly under insure their contents..

cods wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 4:29pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 4:22pm: There has been 1,643 homes lost in the bushfire, with all the money being raised and government cash the residents of those homes should be rather well off. I was reading that finance guy who writes the book....he was caught up in the 2014 fires and lost everything.....he said he was ok he was insured.. but when it came to pay out  it didnt go to him it went to the Bank who had the mortgage......people tend not to keep up to date with the cost of household items   and sadly under insure their contents..

That is very interesting !

I hadnt thought of that situation!

Pink is annoyed that her money is being wasted on a PayPal company. Scammed!!!

Donate to another crises, somewhere else - today!!!

cods wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 4:29pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 4:22pm: There has been 1,643 homes lost in the bushfire, with all the money being raised and government cash the residents of those homes should be rather well off. I was reading that finance guy who writes the book....he was caught up in the 2014 fires and lost everything.....he said he was ok he was insured.. but when it came to pay out  it didnt go to him it went to the Bank who had the mortgage......people tend not to keep up to date with the cost of household items   and sadly under insure their contents..

That's bad luck, I am not donating to buy someone a new tv, There must have been a billion dollars raised by now, three million for psychiatric help by our government alone, most people got out and can scrape together a can of baked beans and some accommodation somewhere if need be. 1,643 homes lost divided by a billion dollars.

Charities are money making exercises.

They deliberately post pictures of the most pathetic images to tug at your heart strings.

I read somewhere, that less than 30% of donations actually make it to the poor.
The rest is eaten up in admin and overheads.

This is why I do not donate to charities.
I give money directly to specific groups that are not affiliated with any charity and that I know use the money to help rather than make money.

More parasites.

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:59am:

"Up to" 10% in overheads ... Seems like an extraordinarily high percentage gone in expenses to me.  :o

not when you consider that the overheads includes all the over priced executives salaries.

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 4:34pm:

cods wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 4:29pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 4:22pm: There has been 1,643 homes lost in the bushfire, with all the money being raised and government cash the residents of those homes should be rather well off. I was reading that finance guy who writes the book....he was caught up in the 2014 fires and lost everything.....he said he was ok he was insured.. but when it came to pay out  it didnt go to him it went to the Bank who had the mortgage......people tend not to keep up to date with the cost of household items   and sadly under insure their contents.. That is very interesting ! I hadnt thought of that situation!

thats right red   neither did he.......a lot of people in for a big disappointment....

we need to be more SCAM WISE today.....it is after all a scam when the fine print is too hard to read and you need a legal to read it for you?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 1:10pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 11:16am: Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 8:02am: PZ547 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 7:42am: . Yep Have a close look at Red Crescent and Red Cross comes across as virtuous by comparison. Someone up this way got some assistance from a Muslim charity group, not red crescent - just saying. Yeah I saw something about that. A Muslim group was out there feeding ppl too. Spot

And praying. From what I hear, they got a better response than Scott Morrison.

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 6:14pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:59am: "Up to" 10% in overheads ... Seems like an extraordinarily high percentage gone in expenses to me.  :o not when you consider that the overheads includes all the over priced executives salaries.

exactly! charity begins at home alright...make that head office..

Gordon wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 2:46pm:

I reckon Red Cross should make a statement that no money donated for the bushfire appeal will leave Australia.

Or no funds to anyone who's tinted.

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 6:20pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 2:46pm: I reckon Red Cross should make a statement that no money donated for the bushfire appeal will leave Australia. Or no funds to anyone who's tinted.

bullcrap

Valkie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 6:10pm:

Charities are money making exercises. They deliberately post pictures of the most pathetic images to tug at your heart strings. I read somewhere, that less than 30% of donations actually make it to the poor. The rest is eaten up in admin and overheads. This is why I do not donate to charities. I give money directly to specific groups that are not affiliated with any charity and that I know use the money to help rather than make money.

Ah. Stormfront, eh?

Deutscheland über alles, no?

Lee King wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 6:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 6:20pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 2:46pm: I reckon Red Cross should make a statement that no money donated for the bushfire appeal will leave Australia. Or no funds to anyone who's tinted. bullcrap

No, it's true. Gordon no longer permits Curries in Chez Gordon. It's a whites-only establishment now thanks, gents.

who the hell does the red cross think it is?

hope people make a stink about this

red cross needs pulling into line

get the money out of their hands.  It's not theirs and it wasn't donated to them

PZ547 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 7:21pm:

who the hell does the red cross think it is? hope people make a stink about this red cross needs pulling into line get the money out of their hands.  It's not theirs and it wasn't donated to them

That's true, Alphabet. It belongs to the Knights of Malta.

Not racist or anything. Wogs are not a race, no?

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 7:49pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 7:21pm: who the hell does the red cross think it is? hope people make a stink about this red cross needs pulling into line get the money out of their hands.  It's not theirs and it wasn't donated to them That's true, Alphabet. It belongs to the Knights of Malta. Not racist or anything. Wogs are not a race, no?

I think you'll find Alphabet knows the Knights of Malta are just rebranded Templars.

Setanta wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 8:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 7:49pm: PZ547 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 7:21pm: who the hell does the red cross think it is? hope people make a stink about this red cross needs pulling into line get the money out of their hands.  It's not theirs and it wasn't donated to them That's true, Alphabet. It belongs to the Knights of Malta. Not racist or anything. Wogs are not a race, no? I think you'll find Alphabet knows the Knights of Malta are just rebranded Templars.

Now now, no need to be racist.

I got this from them today




We’ve been getting a lot of questions about the way we’re using donations to help bushfire-affected communities. These questions are important.
They’ve come about because of misleading information in the media and we’re getting in touch to clarify exactly how these donations are being spent.
•      Every cent donated to our Disaster Relief and Recovery Fund goes to our humanitarian response to disasters in Australia. More than 95% of donations to this fund came in for the summer bushfires specifically, and that’s exactly where they're going.

•      We've committed $30 million right now to help people whose homes were destroyed to meet immediate needs. Our emergency grants program opened two weeks ago - when we first knew we had the funds to make it happen - and as of today we've paid almost 700 grants.

•      For the last few days, we've been paying an average of $1 million per day in grants. That's because of the superhuman efforts of our team, who've been processing applications, weeding out fakes and bots, calling people to collect information, and notifying people that money is on the way.

•      How we spend the rest of the funds is being informed by the communities themselves, and their leaders, and guided by four independent experts – who, between them, have years of professional expertise and lived experience in disaster recovery. More financial assistance is coming, together with all of the other things people need to recover well.

•      We're using less than 10 cents in the dollar to make this work happen. To ensure we have systems that process grants securely, office space for our teams to work in, fuel for the cars we take to affected communities, equipment and training for our volunteers.

•      Any interest earned on money in the Disaster Relief and Recovery Fund will go right back to our relief and recovery effort. We're not using it for anything else.
The recovery effort will take time. It will take years. And it will be unique to each community.
Thanks to you, we will be there to help people process their grief, take stock of their losses, start to rebuild, feel safe and thrive.

The forum tight arses have found yet another excuse for never donating to charity.

Oh dear   ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:00pm:

The forum tight arses have found yet another excuse for never donating to charity. Oh dear   ::)

Now now, Gregg. We give our old clothes and coffee jars to the animal rescue op shop. Why would I need to donate to RC?

I must admit though, we don't donate the the RC but we do donate. I won't tell you how much though, I know that triggers you.

Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better.

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 8:57pm:

I got this from them today We’ve been getting a lot of questions about the way we’re using donations to help bushfire-affected communities. These questions are important. They’ve come about because of misleading information in the media and we’re getting in touch to clarify exactly how these donations are being spent. •      Every cent donated to our Disaster Relief and Recovery Fund goes to our humanitarian response to disasters in Australia. More than 95% of donations to this fund came in for the summer bushfires specifically, and that’s exactly where they're going. •      We've committed $30 million right now to help people whose homes were destroyed to meet immediate needs. Our emergency grants program opened two weeks ago - when we first knew we had the funds to make it happen - and as of today we've paid almost 700 grants. •      For the last few days, we've been paying an average of $1 million per day in grants. That's because of the superhuman efforts of our team, who've been processing applications, weeding out fakes and bots, calling people to collect information, and notifying people that money is on the way. •      How we spend the rest of the funds is being informed by the communities themselves, and their leaders, and guided by four independent experts – who, between them, have years of professional expertise and lived experience in disaster recovery. More financial assistance is coming, together with all of the other things people need to recover well. •      We're using less than 10 cents in the dollar to make this work happen. To ensure we have systems that process grants securely, office space for our teams to work in, fuel for the cars we take to affected communities, equipment and training for our volunteers. •      Any interest earned on money in the Disaster Relief and Recovery Fund will go right back to our relief and recovery effort. We're not using it for anything else. The recovery effort will take time. It will take years. And it will be unique to each community. Thanks to you, we will be there to help people process their grief, take stock of their losses, start to rebuild, feel safe and thrive.

Filthy apologist.

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better.

They already get free houses, extra social security, and free university education.

What else do they want?

Or is that the Aboriginals?

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 8:57pm:

I got this from them today We’ve been getting a lot of questions about the way we’re using donations to help bushfire-affected communities. These questions are important. They’ve come about because of misleading information in the media and we’re getting in touch to clarify exactly how these donations are being spent. •      Every cent donated to our Disaster Relief and Recovery Fund goes to our humanitarian response to disasters in Australia. More than 95% of donations to this fund came in for the summer bushfires specifically, and that’s exactly where they're going. •      We've committed $30 million right now to help people whose homes were destroyed to meet immediate needs. Our emergency grants program opened two weeks ago - when we first knew we had the funds to make it happen - and as of today we've paid almost 700 grants. •      For the last few days, we've been paying an average of $1 million per day in grants. That's because of the superhuman efforts of our team, who've been processing applications, weeding out fakes and bots, calling people to collect information, and notifying people that money is on the way. •      How we spend the rest of the funds is being informed by the communities themselves, and their leaders, and guided by four independent experts – who, between them, have years of professional expertise and lived experience in disaster recovery. More financial assistance is coming, together with all of the other things people need to recover well. •      We're using less than 10 cents in the dollar to make this work happen. To ensure we have systems that process grants securely, office space for our teams to work in, fuel for the cars we take to affected communities, equipment and training for our volunteers. •      Any interest earned on money in the Disaster Relief and Recovery Fund will go right back to our relief and recovery effort. We're not using it for anything else. The recovery effort will take time. It will take years. And it will be unique to each community. Thanks to you, we will be there to help people process their grief, take stock of their losses, start to rebuild, feel safe and thrive.

30mill  donated to 1,400 households, that should get them all a new swimming pool. That's on top of all the other grants etc, or is that just for the uninsured ones.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. They already get free houses, extra social security, and free university education. What else do they want? Or is that the Aboriginals?

Both. There's never a thing left for Whitey, so unfair.

If you're a jolly Danish fellow from the prestigious University of Balogney, you don't get anything at all.

Can I say that?

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:30pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. They already get free houses, extra social security, and free university education. What else do they want? Or is that the Aboriginals? Both. There's never a thing left for Whitey, so unfair. If you're a jolly Danish fellow from the prestigious University of Balogney, you don't get anything at all.

Typical   ::)

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better.

The more that goes to my local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that?

Setanta wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to my local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that?

You have one in your community, do you?

Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong?

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:44pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to my local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong?

More than one K but I like playing your victim game. Even had one help us out in the kitchen one day and all I could hear her say was haram! Haram! She was a good worker though, even covered her head so no hair got in the food.

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:44pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to my local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong?

Yes, but did he ever finger him on the oval?

Setanta wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to my local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong? More than one K but I like playing your victim game. Even had one help us out in the kitchen one day and all I could hear her say was haram! Haram! She was a good worker though, even covered her head so no hair got in the food.

I hear you even have one in your family, Setanta. You let your daughter marry one, am I right?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to my local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong? Yes, but did he ever finger him on the oval?

Why are you assuming gender peccary? Did you ask? Are you a bigot?

HE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF
zie              zim              zir              zis              zieself
sie              sie              hir              hirs              hirself
ey              em              eir              eirs              eirself
ve              ver              vis              vers              verself
tey              ter             tem              ters              terself
e              em             eir              eirs              emself

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to my local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong? Yes, but did he ever finger him on the oval?

Pashed him on the bus, I believe.

They were different times.

Setanta wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 9:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:49pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to my local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong? Yes, but did he ever finger him on the oval? Why are you assuming gender peccary? Did you ask? Are you a bigot? HE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie              zim              zir              zis              zieself sie              sie              hir              hirs              hirself ey              em              eir              eirs              eirself ve              ver              vis              vers              verself tey              ter             tem              ters              terself e              em             eir              eirs              emself

From what I've read on here, and the "Mr" in his name, I just assumed that Mr Hammer was a male.

My apologies if I was mistaken.

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:49pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to my local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong? Yes, but did he ever finger him on the oval? Pashed him on the bus, I believe. They were different times.

Another one assuming gender! I bet you think women don't have balls that need waxing and men don't bleed! Bigot.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:49pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to mHE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie      zim      zir      zis      zieself sie      sie      hir      hirs      hirself ey      em      eir      eirs      eirself ve      ver      vis      vers      verself tey      ter      tem      ters      terself e      em      eir      eirs      emselfy local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong? Yes, but did he ever finger him on the oval? Why are you assuming gender peccary? Did you ask? Are you a bigot? HE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie              zim              zir              zis              zieself sie              sie              hir              hirs              hirself ey              em              eir              eirs              eirself ve              ver              vis              vers              verself tey              ter             tem              ters              terself e              em             eir              eirs              emself From what I've read on here, and the "Mr" in his name, I just assumed that Mr Hammer was a male. My apologies if I was mistaken.

So you should be but I don't think Hammer is the one K is pointing his bigoted finger at.

Setanta wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 10:01pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:49pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to mHE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie      zim      zir      zis      zieself sie      sie      hir      hirs      hirself ey      em      eir      eirs      eirself ve      ver      vis      vers      verself tey      ter      tem      ters      terself e      em      eir      eirs      emselfy local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong? Yes, but did he ever finger him on the oval? Why are you assuming gender peccary? Did you ask? Are you a bigot? HE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie              zim              zir              zis              zieself sie              sie              hir              hirs              hirself ey              em              eir              eirs              eirself ve              ver              vis              vers              verself tey              ter             tem              ters              terself e              em             eir              eirs              emself From what I've read on here, and the "Mr" in his name, I just assumed that Mr Hammer was a male. My apologies if I was mistaken. So you should be but I don't think Hammer is the one K is pointing his bigoted finger at.

I didn't know K was fingering anyone.

I thought it was Gordon & Hammer on a bus with an aboriginal guy.

Or on an oval.

I dunno.

So confusing.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:07pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 10:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 10:01pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:49pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to mHE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie      zim      zir      zis      zieself sie      sie      hir      hirs      hirself ey      em      eir      eirs      eirself ve      ver      vis      vers      verself tey      ter      tem      ters      terself e      em      eir      eirs      emselfy local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong? Yes, but did he ever finger him on the oval? Why are you assuming gender peccary? Did you ask? Are you a bigot? HE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie              zim              zir              zis              zieself sie              sie              hir              hirs              hirself ey              em              eir              eirs              eirself ve              ver              vis              vers              verself tey              ter             tem              ters              terself e              em             eir              eirs              emself From what I've read on here, and the "Mr" in his name, I just assumed that Mr Hammer was a male. My apologies if I was mistaken. So you should be but I don't think Hammer is the one K is pointing his bigoted finger at. I didn't know K was fingering anyone. I thought it was Gordon & Hammer on a bus with an aboriginal guy. Or on an oval. I dunno. So confusing.

Welcome to the modern gender retarded world!  ;D

Setanta wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 10:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 10:07pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 10:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 10:01pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:49pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to mHE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie      zim      zir      zis      zieself sie      sie      hir      hirs      hirself ey      em      eir      eirs      eirself ve      ver      vis      vers      verself tey      ter      tem      ters      terself e      em      eir      eirs      emselfy local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong? Yes, but did he ever finger him on the oval? Why are you assuming gender peccary? Did you ask? Are you a bigot? HE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie              zim              zir              zis              zieself sie              sie              hir              hirs              hirself ey              em              eir              eirs              eirself ve              ver              vis              vers              verself tey              ter             tem              ters              terself e              em             eir              eirs              emself From what I've read on here, and the "Mr" in his name, I just assumed that Mr Hammer was a male. My apologies if I was mistaken. So you should be but I don't think Hammer is the one K is pointing his bigoted finger at. I didn't know K was fingering anyone. I thought it was Gordon & Hammer on a bus with an aboriginal guy. Or on an oval. I dunno. So confusing. Welcome to the modern gender retarded world!  ;D

No no, it was a Boong, I'm certain of it. It was at Homo's school. It was on Gordon's bus to Dubbo, where they met later on the oval after lights-out.

So romantic. Anyway, Gordon settled on a Persian princess, as you do. Homo stayed with dear old Mum.

That Boong is still out there, somewhere between Rooty Hill and Dubbo.

Should be okay. Gordon left it with some goon and half a bag of burger rings.

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 11:09pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 10:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 10:07pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 10:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 10:01pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:49pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:25pm: Good for you, Setanta. The less that gets to the Muselman, the better. The more that goes to mHE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie      zim      zir      zis      zieself sie      sie      hir      hirs      hirself ey      em      eir      eirs      eirself ve      ver      vis      vers      verself tey      ter      tem      ters      terself e      em      eir      eirs      emselfy local community the better and some of them are musclemen and one is even a Muselman. Can you believe that? You have one in your community, do you? Very multicultural. Did Homo ever tell you he went to school with a Boong? Yes, but did he ever finger him on the oval? Why are you assuming gender peccary? Did you ask? Are you a bigot? HE/SHE      HIM/HER      HIS/HER      HIS/HERS      HIMSELF/HERSELF zie              zim              zir              zis              zieself sie              sie              hir              hirs              hirself ey              em              eir              eirs              eirself ve              ver              vis              vers              verself tey              ter             tem              ters              terself e              em             eir              eirs              emself From what I've read on here, and the "Mr" in his name, I just assumed that Mr Hammer was a male. My apologies if I was mistaken. So you should be but I don't think Hammer is the one K is pointing his bigoted finger at. I didn't know K was fingering anyone. I thought it was Gordon & Hammer on a bus with an aboriginal guy. Or on an oval. I dunno. So confusing. Welcome to the modern gender retarded world!  ;D No no, it was a Boong, I'm certain of it. It was at Homo's school. It was on Gordon's bus to Dubbo, where they met later on the oval after lights-out. So romantic. Anyway, Gordon settled on a Persian princess, as you do. Homo stayed with dear old Mum. That Boong is still out there, somewhere between Rooty Hill and Dubbo. Should be okay. Gordon left it with some goon and half a bag of burger rings.

;D

Well done K.

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 8:57pm:

I got this from them today We’ve been getting a lot of questions about the way we’re using donations to help bushfire-affected communities. These questions are important. They’ve come about because of misleading information in the media and we’re getting in touch to clarify exactly how these donations are being spent. •      Every cent donated to our Disaster Relief and Recovery Fund goes to our humanitarian response to disasters in Australia. More than 95% of donations to this fund came in for the summer bushfires specifically, and that’s exactly where they're going. •      We've committed $30 million right now to help people whose homes were destroyed to meet immediate needs. Our emergency grants program opened two weeks ago - when we first knew we had the funds to make it happen - and as of today we've paid almost 700 grants. •      For the last few days, we've been paying an average of $1 million per day in grants. That's because of the superhuman efforts of our team, who've been processing applications, weeding out fakes and bots, calling people to collect information, and notifying people that money is on the way. •      How we spend the rest of the funds is being informed by the communities themselves, and their leaders, and guided by four independent experts – who, between them, have years of professional expertise and lived experience in disaster recovery. More financial assistance is coming, together with all of the other things people need to recover well. •      We're using less than 10 cents in the dollar to make this work happen. To ensure we have systems that process grants securely, office space for our teams to work in, fuel for the cars we take to affected communities, equipment and training for our volunteers. •      Any interest earned on money in the Disaster Relief and Recovery Fund will go right back to our relief and recovery effort. We're not using it for anything else. The recovery effort will take time. It will take years. And it will be unique to each community. Thanks to you, we will be there to help people process their grief, take stock of their losses, start to rebuild, feel safe and thrive.

The problem is those ppl dont want "grants" they want a roof over thier head a meal and some water - NOW - this isnt happening

Spot

They've committed 30 million...what bulldust! The public has given 90 million+ to the Red Cross for the bushfire victims

Not for some f…..g cyclone down the track for the BUSHFIRE VICTIMS now f.....g well give it to them!

The Salvation Army and St Vinnies have both collected tens of millions but have both distributed less than 5 million each

I don't like these big charities because I don't trust them

Many years ago my daughter was doing it tough after a marriage break up. I had my own financial problems at the time and couldn't help much. I suggested she seek out the Salvation Army...She got a box of food which was months out of date and no money. (In the end I took a loan to help her trough a tough spot)

F... the Sallies in fact f...k all of them. They are not to be trusted!

This is what happens when you employ useless millennial parasites with social science degrees in humanitarian aid organizations. These were originally founded on christanity, yet it seems that none of them these days believe in the son of god Jesus Christ, let alone practise what the lord preached. Cant get a job in the private sector, and ScoMo has cut public servant jobs so these parasites need to find a paycheck somewhere, what better than so-called CHRISTIAN organizations even though they are obviously about as Christian as your average Jihadi. I have to say, using gods name to profit from is an even greater sin than murder itself in his eyes. Only way I can see this happening without getting angry, is the comfort of knowing when they pass, they will all be getting flogged by Karl Marx or Stalin in the 9th circle of Hell.

red baron wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:47am:

They've committed 30 million...what bulldust! The public has given 90 million+ to the Red Cross for the bushfire victims Not for some f…..g cyclone down the track for the BUSHFIRE VICTIMS now f.....g well give it to them!

Is that all they're giving - just money?

I'm not so sure. I can see why you'd need to assess people's needs and make sure any funds go to the right people and the right things.

Accommodation, I'd say is a primary need. Could they, for example, pay housing brokerage? Do deals with local motels, etc?

NSW Housing only provides 28 days, but as I understand it, they'll extend this for bushfire victims.

The big charities are now in the position where they have TOO MUCH money. They need to ensure it gets spent well, not frittered away by offering the same thing other services are providing.

Karnal wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 8:15am:

red baron wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:47am: They've committed 30 million...what bulldust! The public has given 90 million+ to the Red Cross for the bushfire victims Not for some f…..g cyclone down the track for the BUSHFIRE VICTIMS now f.....g well give it to them! Is that all they're giving - just money? I'm not so sure. I can see why you'd need to assess people's needs and make sure any funds go to the right people and the right things. Accommodation, I'd say is a primary need. Could they, for example, pay housing brokerage? Do deals with local motels, etc? NSW Housing only provides 28 days, but as I understand it, they'll extend this for bushfire victims. The big charities are now in the position where they have TOO MUCH money. They need to ensure it gets spent well, not frittered away by offering the same thing other services are providing.

I agree    just because they have it doesnt been it can be slap bang.. heres $50.000    there is going to be huge mental issues in the future.....its not just the NOW!

I do hope these charities get together and dont try to be the hero.. its a shocking responsibility ..

in saying that  the red cross have done themselves untold harm thats for sure... I heard a few tales about them years ago and stopped giving from then on.....and now its becoming public it will turn a lot of people off.....

and when it comes to help all over the world  the red cross has always been at the forefront.....so this isnt going to go away in a hurry...    they rely a lot on volunteers  as well...... so its not a good look at all.

red baron wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:47am:

They've committed 30 million...what bulldust! The public has given 90 million+ to the Red Cross for the bushfire victims Not for some f…..g cyclone down the track for the BUSHFIRE VICTIMS now f.....g well give it to them!

RC certainly have come under fire (pun intended).

A revised financial update: RC now have $115 million donated for the bush fires appeal.

Could take up to 3 years to distribute $30 million.
Only done so far, 700 grants of $10,000 each ($7 million)

Yet, $11 million could be spent on administration. Whew, splutter, cough cough.

Let’s see, you lose totally everything, clothes, roof over head, cars.
You are on foot with only clothes you wore. Those with jobs still need to go to work somehow, or else what happens to their job? Sure some bosses might be sympathetic, but a job is a job.
$10,000 can probably buy a 2nd hand vehicle to commute to work.
But all ID paperwork, credit cards, licence  etc probably all burnt. Takes time  to get it all together to prove who you are and genuinely effected, and not a scammer. $10,000 for a family seems frugal imo.

So there’s now $115 million in their reserves (not counting other accumulated monies previously collected from other disasters that a percentage was put aside for “future disasters” etc) wink wink

So with that thought of saving most this donated appeal money for “future disasters” does that mean when that future happens, none have to worry about donating in that given future?
Gee, I would have thought that whenever disasters happen, people donate at the time for the time. This overlapping of funds from past, current and future donations is being put into consolidation.

My belief was, that the money so generously given by Australians and the rest of the world, was in sympathy for this current disaster, and that’s where it should go.
Perhaps keep some in reserve for sure, but not $85 million!
How’s this looking to the rest of the world? They might think, well stuff Australia next time a disaster happens.
So happy are these organisations when disaster strike and their trust account balloons. So yeah, $10,000 for each family of 700 is chook feed.

I have no doubts other companies have put in their generous helping hand to those fire effected families,  and would love to name and fame them rightfully so.

Actually, I just spoke with someone on the ground from Disaster Recovery.

The Red Cross give out $5000 to anyone who's NOT insured and has less than $10,000 in the bank. That's the criteria.

NSW Housing provides temporary accommodation for low income earners and the uninsured. Welfare centres are providing demountable houses or caravans to people in the same situation.

She also said the Red Cross' 10% admin cost sounds more than fair to fly down assessors, accomodate them, pay their wages, etc.

These organisations - Red Cross, the Salvos, St Vinnies - also need to coordinate to prevent double-dipping. They need to check claims - with no paperwork such as a deed. Bank accounts, Centrelink, the lot.

It's a big job. I wouldn't be bitching so prematurely. Fires on this scale are a learning experience for the Red Cross and others. We're going to see plenty more of these bushfires in future, so it's important that the charities get their procedures right.

Karnal wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:12am:

Actually, I just spoke with someone on the ground from Disaster Recovery. The Red Cross give out $5000 to anyone who's NOT insured and has less than $10,000 in the bank. That's the criteria. NSW Housing provides temporary accommodation for low income earners and the uninsured. Welfare centres are providing demountable houses or caravans to people in the same situation. She also said the Red Cross' 10% admin cost sounds more than fair to fly down assessors, accomodate them, pay their wages, etc. These organisations - Red Cross, the Salvos, St Vinnies - also need to coordinate to prevent double-dipping. They need to check claims - with no paperwork such as a deed. Bank accounts, Centrelink, the lot. It's a big job. I wouldn't be bitching so prematurely. Fires on this scale are a learning experience for the Red Cross and others. We're going to see plenty more of these bushfires in future, so it's important that the charities get their procedures right.

POST OF THE WEEK!

Karnal wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:12am:

Actually, I just spoke with someone on the ground from Disaster Recovery. The Red Cross give out $5000 to anyone who's NOT insured and has less than $10,000 in the bank. That's the criteria. NSW Housing provides temporary accommodation for low income earners and the uninsured. Welfare centres are providing demountable houses or caravans to people in the same situation. She also said the Red Cross' 10% admin cost sounds more than fair to fly down assessors, accomodate them, pay their wages, etc. These organisations - Red Cross, the Salvos, St Vinnies - also need to coordinate to prevent double-dipping. They need to check claims - with no paperwork such as a deed. Bank accounts, Centrelink, the lot. It's a big job. I wouldn't be bitching so prematurely. Fires on this scale are a learning experience for the Red Cross and others. We're going to see plenty more of these bushfires in future, so it's important that the charities get their procedures right.

A learning experience? Nope, they had plenty experience in past to understand it, only 11 years ago was the worst fires in Australian history at that time (Black Saturday) then there’s been quite a lot of other natural disasters like the Queensland floods etc. in the meantime.
It’s all the same type of distribution protocol.
What’s there to learn?
They already know how to use volunteers for nothing, they already know how to collect money for nothing and quickly at that. They already know how to pay their own administration without any delay.
People in dire need may as well learn to walk in treacle while waiting for real help from some established charities.
Thank goodness for other business (private) that come through quickly, takes up a bit of slack from them bigger charities that still learning?

red baron wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 7:54am:

The Salvation Army and St Vinnies have both collected tens of millions but have both distributed less than 5 million each I don't like these big charities because I don't trust them Many years ago my daughter was doing it tough after a marriage break up. I had my own financial problems at the time and couldn't help much. I suggested she seek out the Salvation Army...She got a box of food which was months out of date and no money. (In the end I took a loan to help her trough a tough spot) F... the Sallies in fact f...k all of them. They are not to be trusted!

Sorry to hear about your experience. Going through tough times and that can happen suddenly, only those that have gone through it, calling out for help would know who helps, and who doesn’t. Those you think should help but don’t, and then those that you never thought would help but do.

Funny how you feel alone when troubled times are nigh.

Sophia wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:34am:

red baron wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:54am: The Salvation Army and St Vinnies have both collected tens of millions but have both distributed less than 5 million each I don't like these big charities because I don't trust them Many years ago my daughter was doing it tough after a marriage break up. I had my own financial problems at the time and couldn't help much. I suggested she seek out the Salvation Army...She got a box of food which was months out of date and no money. (In the end I took a loan to help her trough a tough spot) F... the Sallies in fact f...k all of them. They are not to be trusted! Sorry to hear about your experience. Going through tough times and that can happen suddenly, only those that have gone through it, calling out for help would know who helps, and who doesn’t. Those you think should help but don’t, and then those that you never thought would help but do. Funny how you feel alone when troubled times are nigh.

so true lols so true  thats when you find out who your real friends are lucky me I have nevr had to depend on charities..   yes I do buy in the op shops I find them fun and interesting   but to go cap in hand ..I havent had to do that  and I think all in all they do a mighty job

in the case of the red cross.. I think they take it for granted donations I mean and its now big business  and seriously that isnt the AIM of a charity is it??

why is it their job to assess someone eligibility for funds???....who says they are UN INSURED???   why are those uninsured first come first served.....

it makes me wonder about all the thousands I have paid out in house and contents insurance for bloody years    and intimes like this it will go against me??>...

what a slap in the face......everyone who has had their home burnt to the ground should be equal....when it comes to charity donations.......

how dare those who struggle and go without to pay bloody insurance be overlooked... >:( >:( >:(

this happens every time.... every bloody time.

cods wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:47am:

....who says they are UN INSURED???   why are those uninsured first come first served..... it makes me wonder about all the thousands I have paid out in house and contents insurance for bloody years    and in times like this it will go against me??>... what a slap in the face......everyone who has had their home burnt to the ground should be equal....when it comes to charity donations....... how dare those who struggle and go without to pay bloody insurance be overlooked... this happens every time.... every bloody time.

That's always been something that's bothered me too.

I've insured my car and property since I was 16 years old.

I've never been uninsured in my adult life - not for a single day.

If you can't afford insurance, don't buy a car and house.

Jast about nobody would be "eligible" for funds if they lost everything and cant prove anything

Spot

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:57am:

cods wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:47am: ....who says they are UN INSURED???   why are those uninsured first come first served..... it makes me wonder about all the thousands I have paid out in house and contents insurance for bloody years    and in times like this it will go against me??>... what a slap in the face......everyone who has had their home burnt to the ground should be equal....when it comes to charity donations....... how dare those who struggle and go without to pay bloody insurance be overlooked... this happens every time.... every bloody time. That's always been something that's bothered me too. I've insured my car and property since I was 16 years old. I've never been uninsured in my adult life - not for a single day. If you can't afford insurance, don't buy a car and house.

and it increases every year and we are expected to find it....... we need to hear from people who have been through this minefield.... to see what its really like to be lose everything and be at the mercy of CHARITY.....   do these charities employ their own assessors????.. ::) ::)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:00am:

Jast about nobody would be "eligible" for funds if they lost everything and cant prove anything Spot

well its not hard to prove the house and burnt down with everything in in........but I could claim I had thousands under the mattress    or works of art on the walls.....when in fact all I had was a tin mug and plate...

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:57am:

cods wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:47am: ....who says they are UN INSURED???   why are those uninsured first come first served..... it makes me wonder about all the thousands I have paid out in house and contents insurance for bloody years    and in times like this it will go against me??>... what a slap in the face......everyone who has had their home burnt to the ground should be equal....when it comes to charity donations....... how dare those who struggle and go without to pay bloody insurance be overlooked... this happens every time.... every bloody time. That's always been something that's bothered me too. I've insured my car and property since I was 16 years old. I've never been uninsured in my adult life - not for a single day. If you can't afford insurance, don't buy a car and house.

It’s an old adage... you can’t afford insurance, but you can’t afford to be without it.

What really gets to me, I’m holding several insurance renewals, is the price hike each and every year. I phone to ask why as I don’t make claims to effect a higher insurance premium, I get told, because of others making claims.
So every time we see hail stone damage to cars and roof of houses, every time we see Queensland like Rockhampton for instance, with totally submerged houses, cars under flood waters, every time a fire takes hold of destroying property, cars, businesses, this is where those of us that pay insurance without claims, are paying for those that are insured during disasters.
And I say, as I wince, well up goes our insurance premiums....again!
I stay insured because I am paranoid if there is a time worm where I’m not insured is when something will happen. With our weird weather patterns we have, we must not be complacent.

Sophia wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 10:24am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:12am: Actually, I just spoke with someone on the ground from Disaster Recovery. The Red Cross give out $5000 to anyone who's NOT insured and has less than $10,000 in the bank. That's the criteria. NSW Housing provides temporary accommodation for low income earners and the uninsured. Welfare centres are providing demountable houses or caravans to people in the same situation. She also said the Red Cross' 10% admin cost sounds more than fair to fly down assessors, accomodate them, pay their wages, etc. These organisations - Red Cross, the Salvos, St Vinnies - also need to coordinate to prevent double-dipping. They need to check claims - with no paperwork such as a deed. Bank accounts, Centrelink, the lot. It's a big job. I wouldn't be bitching so prematurely. Fires on this scale are a learning experience for the Red Cross and others. We're going to see plenty more of these bushfires in future, so it's important that the charities get their procedures right. A learning experience? Nope, they had plenty experience in past to understand it, only 11 years ago was the worst fires in Australian history at that time (Black Saturday) then there’s been quite a lot of other natural disasters like the Queensland floods etc. in the meantime. It’s all the same type of distribution protocol. What’s there to learn? They already know how to use volunteers for nothing, they already know how to collect money for nothing and quickly at that. They already know how to pay their own administration without any delay. People in dire need may as well learn to walk in treacle while waiting for real help from some established charities. Thank goodness for other business (private) that come through quickly, takes up a bit of slack from them bigger charities that still learning?

The Red Cross doesn't use volunteers, dear. The other big charities don't use volunteers to assess these sorts of claims.

Yes, they already know how to distribute brokerage, but doing it on a scale of this kind is unprecedented. There's four different states, for a start.

This is the new normal, dear. I don't think God's really listening to Scott Morrison's prayers.

You?

Karnal wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:12am:

Sophia wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:24am: Karnal wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:12am: Actually, I just spoke with someone on the ground from Disaster Recovery. The Red Cross give out $5000 to anyone who's NOT insured and has less than $10,000 in the bank. That's the criteria. NSW Housing provides temporary accommodation for low income earners and the uninsured. Welfare centres are providing demountable houses or caravans to people in the same situation. She also said the Red Cross' 10% admin cost sounds more than fair to fly down assessors, accomodate them, pay their wages, etc. These organisations - Red Cross, the Salvos, St Vinnies - also need to coordinate to prevent double-dipping. They need to check claims - with no paperwork such as a deed. Bank accounts, Centrelink, the lot. It's a big job. I wouldn't be bitching so prematurely. Fires on this scale are a learning experience for the Red Cross and others. We're going to see plenty more of these bushfires in future, so it's important that the charities get their procedures right. A learning experience? Nope, they had plenty experience in past to understand it, only 11 years ago was the worst fires in Australian history at that time (Black Saturday) then there’s been quite a lot of other natural disasters like the Queensland floods etc. in the meantime. It’s all the same type of distribution protocol. What’s there to learn? They already know how to use volunteers for nothing, they already know how to collect money for nothing and quickly at that. They already know how to pay their own administration without any delay. People in dire need may as well learn to walk in treacle while waiting for real help from some established charities. Thank goodness for other business (private) that come through quickly, takes up a bit of slack from them bigger charities that still learning? The Red Cross doesn't use volunteers, dear. The other big charities don't use volunteers to assess these sorts of claims. Yes, they already know how to distribute brokerage, but doing it on a scale of this kind is unprecedented. There's four different states, for a start. This is the new normal, dear. I don't think God's really listening to Scott Morrison's prayers. You?

Yes dear, the maths is the same for each family, whether in one state or four. Whether it’s 10 families or 1000 families, the amount of money that had come in had matched the scale accordingly.

Smaller scale disasters get smaller attention and smaller donations, and larger scale disasters = more attention, more donations.
It’s all in the maths. Surely the RC have proper accountants that are paid well, can do the maths?
Re: religion, I will leave that out of the equation, as a comedian (can’t think of his name, he would sit drinking sprits, and had a missing finger) that used to do a lot jokes on religion said “The Lord shall provide.......but to date he is behind with his payments!”  ;)
Edit: Dave Allen it was. Best humour on religion ever!  :)

Sophia wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:29am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 11:12am: Sophia wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:24am: Karnal wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:12am: Actually, I just spoke with someone on the ground from Disaster Recovery. The Red Cross give out $5000 to anyone who's NOT insured and has less than $10,000 in the bank. That's the criteria. NSW Housing provides temporary accommodation for low income earners and the uninsured. Welfare centres are providing demountable houses or caravans to people in the same situation. She also said the Red Cross' 10% admin cost sounds more than fair to fly down assessors, accomodate them, pay their wages, etc. These organisations - Red Cross, the Salvos, St Vinnies - also need to coordinate to prevent double-dipping. They need to check claims - with no paperwork such as a deed. Bank accounts, Centrelink, the lot. It's a big job. I wouldn't be bitching so prematurely. Fires on this scale are a learning experience for the Red Cross and others. We're going to see plenty more of these bushfires in future, so it's important that the charities get their procedures right. A learning experience? Nope, they had plenty experience in past to understand it, only 11 years ago was the worst fires in Australian history at that time (Black Saturday) then there’s been quite a lot of other natural disasters like the Queensland floods etc. in the meantime. It’s all the same type of distribution protocol. What’s there to learn? They already know how to use volunteers for nothing, they already know how to collect money for nothing and quickly at that. They already know how to pay their own administration without any delay. People in dire need may as well learn to walk in treacle while waiting for real help from some established charities. Thank goodness for other business (private) that come through quickly, takes up a bit of slack from them bigger charities that still learning? The Red Cross doesn't use volunteers, dear. The other big charities don't use volunteers to assess these sorts of claims. Yes, they already know how to distribute brokerage, but doing it on a scale of this kind is unprecedented. There's four different states, for a start. This is the new normal, dear. I don't think God's really listening to Scott Morrison's prayers. You? Yes dear, the maths is the same for each family, whether in one state or four. Whether it’s 10 families or 1000 families, the amount of money that had come in had matched the scale accordingly. Smaller scale disasters get smaller attention and smaller donations, and larger scale disasters = more attention, more donations. It’s all in the maths. Surely the RC have proper accountants that are paid well, can do the maths? Re: religion, I will leave that out of the equation, as a comedian (can’t think of his name, he would sit drinking sprits, and had a missing finger) that used to do a lot jokes on religion said “The Lord shall provide.......but to date he is behind with his payments!”  ;) Edit: Dave Allen it was. Best humour on religion ever!  :)

We all remember Dave Allen, Lols. He'd end each show with the salutation, "may your God go with you."

Karnal wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 11:12am:

Sophia wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:24am: Karnal wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:12am: Actually, I just spoke with someone on the ground from Disaster Recovery. The Red Cross give out $5000 to anyone who's NOT insured and has less than $10,000 in the bank. That's the criteria. NSW Housing provides temporary accommodation for low income earners and the uninsured. Welfare centres are providing demountable houses or caravans to people in the same situation. She also said the Red Cross' 10% admin cost sounds more than fair to fly down assessors, accomodate them, pay their wages, etc. These organisations - Red Cross, the Salvos, St Vinnies - also need to coordinate to prevent double-dipping. They need to check claims - with no paperwork such as a deed. Bank accounts, Centrelink, the lot. It's a big job. I wouldn't be bitching so prematurely. Fires on this scale are a learning experience for the Red Cross and others. We're going to see plenty more of these bushfires in future, so it's important that the charities get their procedures right. A learning experience? Nope, they had plenty experience in past to understand it, only 11 years ago was the worst fires in Australian history at that time (Black Saturday) then there’s been quite a lot of other natural disasters like the Queensland floods etc. in the meantime. It’s all the same type of distribution protocol. What’s there to learn? They already know how to use volunteers for nothing, they already know how to collect money for nothing and quickly at that. They already know how to pay their own administration without any delay. People in dire need may as well learn to walk in treacle while waiting for real help from some established charities. Thank goodness for other business (private) that come through quickly, takes up a bit of slack from them bigger charities that still learning? The Red Cross doesn't use volunteers, dear. The other big charities don't use volunteers to assess these sorts of claims. Yes, they already know how to distribute brokerage, but doing it on a scale of this kind is unprecedented. There's four different states, for a start. This is the new normal, dear. I don't think God's really listening to Scott Morrison's prayers. You?

then you had best not apply to this then.. >:( >:( >:(...

https://www.redcross.org.au/get-involved/connect/volunteer?gclid=Cj0KCQiApaXxBRDNARIsAGFdaB-8DicBf11W5qgTg6TKl2yzKzzc2YsNQAK3JDUQXu31PmSfDQWEOTAaAjjGEALw_wcB

Welcome! Thanks for your interest in volunteering.

Volunteering expands your skills and experience, increases your employability and is a way to stay active and engaged with the community. It's also a way for you to give back to the community and help people who need a hand.

Saw somewhere this morning that the red cross hasn't been paying their workers properly to the tune of millions

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 3:16pm:

Saw somewhere this morning that the red cross hasn't been paying their workers properly to the tune of millions Spot

wheres crook on that one???? >:( >:(

Here it is found it again

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/18/australian-red-cross-admits-20m-staff-underpayment-is-yet-to-be-fully-paid-18-months-on

Spot

cods wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 11:12am: Sophia wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:24am: Karnal wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:12am: Actually, I just spoke with someone on the ground from Disaster Recovery. The Red Cross give out $5000 to anyone who's NOT insured and has less than $10,000 in the bank. That's the criteria. NSW Housing provides temporary accommodation for low income earners and the uninsured. Welfare centres are providing demountable houses or caravans to people in the same situation. She also said the Red Cross' 10% admin cost sounds more than fair to fly down assessors, accomodate them, pay their wages, etc. These organisations - Red Cross, the Salvos, St Vinnies - also need to coordinate to prevent double-dipping. They need to check claims - with no paperwork such as a deed. Bank accounts, Centrelink, the lot. It's a big job. I wouldn't be bitching so prematurely. Fires on this scale are a learning experience for the Red Cross and others. We're going to see plenty more of these bushfires in future, so it's important that the charities get their procedures right. A learning experience? Nope, they had plenty experience in past to understand it, only 11 years ago was the worst fires in Australian history at that time (Black Saturday) then there’s been quite a lot of other natural disasters like the Queensland floods etc. in the meantime. It’s all the same type of distribution protocol. What’s there to learn? They already know how to use volunteers for nothing, they already know how to collect money for nothing and quickly at that. They already know how to pay their own administration without any delay. People in dire need may as well learn to walk in treacle while waiting for real help from some established charities. Thank goodness for other business (private) that come through quickly, takes up a bit of slack from them bigger charities that still learning? The Red Cross doesn't use volunteers, dear. The other big charities don't use volunteers to assess these sorts of claims. Yes, they already know how to distribute brokerage, but doing it on a scale of this kind is unprecedented. There's four different states, for a start. This is the new normal, dear. I don't think God's really listening to Scott Morrison's prayers. You? then you had best not apply to this then.. >:( >:( >:(... https://www.redcross.org.au/get-involved/connect/volunteer?gclid=Cj0KCQiApaXxBRDNARIsAGFdaB-8DicBf11W5qgTg6TKl2yzKzzc2YsNQAK3JDUQXu31PmSfDQWEOTAaAjjGEALw_wcB Welcome! Thanks for your interest in volunteering. Volunteering expands your skills and experience, increases your employability and is a way to stay active and engaged with the community. It's also a way for you to give back to the community and help people who need a hand.

I stand corrected, dear. Can you tell me what roles they have?

Their site doesn't say.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 4:02pm:

Here it is found it again https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/18/australian-red-cross-admits-20m-staff-underpayment-is-yet-to-be-fully-paid-18-months-on Spot

maybe thats why they are cautious about spending the money    they need to work out how they can squirrel a few dollars aside for you know what?

'Consolidated Revenue' is an evil, but not a necessity.... there is a very clear reason why governments respective will not allocate funds into discrete accounts for specific purposes - they can't run a slush fund if they do that.

Same with any organisation that holds a Consolidated Revenue Slush Fund..

Red Cross hits back at claims it’s withholding donations from bushfire victims


23/01/2020
2GB.com


     




The Red Cross has hit back at claims it’s withholding donations from bushfire victims for future use.

News Corp papers made the allegations, saying the charity was “stashing cash for future floods and cyclones”.

The charity has categorically denied the claims, insisting all of the $115 million donated so far will be used on immediate and long-term bushfire recovery.

Chris Smith grilled Red Cross Director Noel Clement to find out exactly what is going on and where the money will be spent.

“I can assure you we’re not withholding money for future disasters,” Mr Clement says.

“We know that there is immediate support needed and we’re doing all we can to get money out there now.

“But we also know there are phases to this recovery and communities will need money as they’re ready to rebuild, they’ll need money at various points.”

    How the money will be spent:

    $30m – immediate assistance

    $18m – to be with communities over the next 3 years

    $5m – support teams on the ground

    $1m – bereavement payments

    $remaining – more immediate and long term support

    Up to 10 per cent – administration costs

Mr Clement admitted up to 10 per cent of donations goes to essential administrative costs, saying the charity has always been upfront about that figure.

He went on to reveal exactly how the funds are being allocated.



NSW Transport Minister Andrew Constance has issued an emotional attack on the charities in charge of bushfire donations, saying the money is needed now.

Speaking to The Daily Telegraph, Mr Constance challenged the head of the Red Cross, Salvation Army and St Vincent de Paul to visit the South Coast and see the devastation first-hand.

“How dare they say publicly they’re only going to spend a third of the donations on people when people are traumatised and in crisis?” Mr Constance said.

“We need the donations … what we don’t need is welfare bureaucracy thinking this is the opportunity for them to grow their organisations.”

Yeah well they said that about haiti

Spot

whiteknight wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 5:56am:

Red Cross hits back at claims it’s withholding donations from bushfire victims 23/01/2020 2GB.com       The Red Cross has hit back at claims it’s withholding donations from bushfire victims for future use. News Corp papers made the allegations, saying the charity was “stashing cash for future floods and cyclones”. The charity has categorically denied the claims, insisting all of the $115 million donated so far will be used on immediate and long-term bushfire recovery. Chris Smith grilled Red Cross Director Noel Clement to find out exactly what is going on and where the money will be spent. “I can assure you we’re not withholding money for future disasters,” Mr Clement says. “We know that there is immediate support needed and we’re doing all we can to get money out there now. “But we also know there are phases to this recovery and communities will need money as they’re ready to rebuild, they’ll need money at various points.”     How the money will be spent:     $30m – immediate assistance     $18m – to be with communities over the next 3 years     $5m – support teams on the ground     $1m – bereavement payments     $remaining – more immediate and long term support     Up to 10 per cent – administration costs Mr Clement admitted up to 10 per cent of donations goes to essential administrative costs, saying the charity has always been upfront about that figure. He went on to reveal exactly how the funds are being allocated. NSW Transport Minister Andrew Constance has issued an emotional attack on the charities in charge of bushfire donations, saying the money is needed now. Speaking to The Daily Telegraph, Mr Constance challenged the head of the Red Cross, Salvation Army and St Vincent de Paul to visit the South Coast and see the devastation first-hand. “How dare they say publicly they’re only going to spend a third of the donations on people when people are traumatised and in crisis?” Mr Constance said. “We need the donations … what we don’t need is welfare bureaucracy thinking this is the opportunity for them to grow their organisations.”

what about underpaying of wages crook? you happy about that?...


as for 10%  its been talked about for years they take 20%.. so not sure why we should believe this guy....

they take the cream off the top for themselves......

sorry but thats not CHARITABLE>. >:( >:( >:( >:(

The government rather than provide services opted to make charities big business....when its priavtised it cost.

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 1:16pm:

The government rather than provide services opted to make charities big business....when its priavtised it cost.

Fair point.. another example of the private enterprise model failing to produce the results?

cods wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 8:42am:

whiteknight wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 5:56am: Red Cross hits back at claims it’s withholding donations from bushfire victims 23/01/2020 2GB.com       The Red Cross has hit back at claims it’s withholding donations from bushfire victims for future use. News Corp papers made the allegations, saying the charity was “stashing cash for future floods and cyclones”. The charity has categorically denied the claims, insisting all of the $115 million donated so far will be used on immediate and long-term bushfire recovery. Chris Smith grilled Red Cross Director Noel Clement to find out exactly what is going on and where the money will be spent. “I can assure you we’re not withholding money for future disasters,” Mr Clement says. “We know that there is immediate support needed and we’re doing all we can to get money out there now. “But we also know there are phases to this recovery and communities will need money as they’re ready to rebuild, they’ll need money at various points.”     How the money will be spent:     $30m – immediate assistance     $18m – to be with communities over the next 3 years     $5m – support teams on the ground     $1m – bereavement payments     $remaining – more immediate and long term support     Up to 10 per cent – administration costs Mr Clement admitted up to 10 per cent of donations goes to essential administrative costs, saying the charity has always been upfront about that figure. He went on to reveal exactly how the funds are being allocated. NSW Transport Minister Andrew Constance has issued an emotional attack on the charities in charge of bushfire donations, saying the money is needed now. Speaking to The Daily Telegraph, Mr Constance challenged the head of the Red Cross, Salvation Army and St Vincent de Paul to visit the South Coast and see the devastation first-hand. “How dare they say publicly they’re only going to spend a third of the donations on people when people are traumatised and in crisis?” Mr Constance said. “We need the donations … what we don’t need is welfare bureaucracy thinking this is the opportunity for them to grow their organisations.” what about underpaying of wages crook? you happy about that?... as for 10%  its been talked about for years they take 20%.. so not sure why we should believe this guy.... they take the cream off the top for themselves...... sorry but thats not CHARITABLE>. >:( >:( >:( >:(

And Andrew Constance should know, being part of a government that is priceless at extending its own organisation, power, money and control... that given - he is the only Lib candidate I've ever voted for..

Our next Independent?  And certainly the one I'll approach to be a signatory on any bank account held for procurement of water bomber aircraft to live here..

$2bn cost of disaster - and counting... $1Bn of preparedness and half a dozen water-bombers would have helped to cut off many fires at their start.. cut 'em off at the knees and they can't run...

A Cl-415 in time saves nine... you can run five an hour for the cost of one mega-tanker - and they refill in eight seconds by setting down on a lake etc and skating the surface...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 1:29pm:

[quote author=cods link=1579721545/87#87 date=1579905723][quote author=stillcrook link=1579721545/85#85 date=1579895771]Red Cross hits back at claims it’s withholding donations from bushfire victims 23/01/2020 2GB.com       And Andrew Constance should know, being part of a government that is priceless at extending its own organisation, power, money and control... that given - he is the only Lib candidate I've ever voted for.. Our next Independent?  And certainly the one I'll approach to be a signatory on any bank account held for procurement of water bomber aircraft to live here.. $2bn cost of disaster - and counting... $1Bn of preparedness and half a dozen water-bombers would have helped to cut off many fires at their start.. cut 'em off at the knees and they can't run... A Cl-415 in time saves nine... you can run five an hour for the cost of one mega-tanker - and they refill in eight seconds by setting down on a lake etc and skating the surface...

I have yet to see one of these planes STOP a fire..

and this time we have lost 3 fine young men...

what we need is more modern equipment  we can put a man on the moon    we can send men into space to repair a module  we bring them back to earth without so much as a bruise...

yet we still expect a man to fight a massive fire with a hose that was invented ...too long ago to count :'(


The using of hose to fight fire can be trace back in history to 400 B.C. The hose during
this era was made from the gut of an ox. Firemen filled bags with water then force them
into the ox gut. The water was force though the hose by either sitting or stomping on the
bag and the hose.
The earliest firefighting that was done in America was done with buckets being passed
from the water source to the fire. What was known, as bucket brigades were very labor
intensive and very in effected. Large amount of water would be lost during the passing of
these buckets before it could be thrown on the actual fire.
In 1693 Dutchmen Jan Van Der Heiden, Superintendent of the Fire Brigade, and his son
Nicholaas developed the first fire hose of the modern era called a “fire hoase”. The fiftyfoot lengths of leather were sewn together like a bootleg. These inventions allowed
firemen a steady stream of water and accurately deliver it directly on the fire. Later
Van Der Heiden developed the first suction hose by installing a wire through it to keep it
from collapsing.
Prior to the 1790’s water used for fighting fires came from wells, cisterns and natural
bodies of water. Water main services came into existence; fireplugs and hydrants were
added to allow fire companies local access to water supply hookups.
In 1807 two Philadelphia firemen James Sellars and Abraham Pennock used metal rivets
instead of stitching to bind the seams of the leather hose. This allowed for higher pressure
and less breakage. This process did however increase the weight of a 50-foot length to
about 85 pounds.

Leather hose had many disadvantages. It was high maintenance. Leather would dry out
and crack. The hose had to be washed, dry and preserved using codfish and whale oil as a
preservative. Other stations would use beef tallow and Neat’s oil made from cattle bones.
After applying this oil the leather become sticky and cause the hose to smell.
Sellars and Pennock invention made it possible to use this ridged hose for suction. The
thought of using suction was considered in America, as early as 1698 but without ridged
hose it was ineffective. In 1793 New York City had a suction engine. The hose also
allowed pumpers to pump water a greater distance.
James Boyd in 1821 received a patent for rubber lined, cotton-webbed fire hose. In 1825
the Mayor of Boston reported that a 100 feet of hose would do the same work as 60 men
with buckets and more efficient. In 1827 the Fire Chief of New York City put 30
pumpers in a line to pump water a half mile.



see how far we have come... :( :( :(