January 18 2020
Attenborough lashes coalition on climate   
Nambucca Gardian

Sir David Attenborough says Australia's government doesn't seem to care about the environment.   :(

Renowned British naturalist Sir David Attenborough has criticised the Morrison government's approach to climate change as the coalition stands firmly by the nation's coal exports.

Sir David has told the BBC the government's support for coal mines showed the world it did not care about the environment, while noting the destruction caused by bushfires.

He says the "moment of crisis" has come in the fight against climate change, warning that government targets are not enough to save the planet.

The government has turned its focus on climate change adaptation and resilience in the wake of the deadly bushfires, but is backing in coal exports.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton argues that reducing Australia's coal exports won't end up helping the environment.

"(Australia) stopping exports of coal to India or to China will mean that they will source it from other countries," he told Nine's Today show on Friday.

"It means emissions will go up, so there's no benefit to the environment and we would lose $70 billion from our economy."

Labor leader Anthony Albanese agrees.

"If you stopped exporting coal immediately, then that would not reduce global emissions because there's enough displacement from other coal exporting countries to take up that position," he told reporters in Sydney.

"And that coal will produce higher emissions rather than less emissions."

The Morrison government intends to use carryover credits to meet the Paris target, of a 26 to 28 per cent reduction on 2005 emissions levels by 2030.

Its use has been condemned on the international stage, with one of the creators of the Paris agreement saying it goes against the point of the deal.

It's not yet known what impact emissions from the bushfires will have on Australia's emissions, with the blazes emitting up to an estimated two-thirds of annual carbon dioxide levels.

The long-term impact depends on forest regrowth and whether or not it would "re-absorb" the carbon, meaning this year's spike in levels could be evened out.

The Department of Environment and Energy says this reflects practices used by the European Union, Canada and the United States.

"The methodology smooths the impact of emissions variability due to natural disturbances by reflecting the long-term carbon storage in forests, which generally, over time and in the absence of new disturbances, re-absorb carbon to balance that carbon emitted during the fire," a department spokeswoman told AAP.

The centrepiece of the government's plan to reduce emissions is by paying companies for reduction projects through the Emissions Reduction Fund.

Given the fires are ongoing, the full impact on projects remains to be seen.

"Thus far, the majority of fire activity has occurred in areas without ERF projects," the spokeswoman said.

Australian Associated Press

is David  ooppps   Sir David claiming Australia is the only country that exports COAL...


surely not!!!!!

ooops again David..


Quote:

Findings by Coal Action Network suggested that this excess in coal in the UK is triggering increased exports of the fossil fuel onto the global market. Exports of coal from the UK are at an eight year high, increasing 28 percent in 2018, and sourced from the UK's opencast coal mines.May 14, 2019

:) :) :) :)


dont tell me

another...... dont do as I DO... ::) ::)

ScoMo wants to deforest the remaining 20% of Australia's Bush and Forests and is already opening up the National Parks for more 'usage' for exploitation.
"By getting rid of the forests, we get rid of Wild Fires, like what we have seen. Prevention is better than the cure and it will thus remove the high cost of Fire Control that we have had to fork $millions out on recently." he said with a Christian smile.

Jasin wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 8:26am:

ScoMo wants to deforest the remaining 20% of Australia's Bush and Forests and is already opening up the National Parks for more 'usage' for exploitation. "By getting rid of the forests, we get rid of Wild Fires, like what we have seen. Prevention is better than the cure and it will thus remove the high cost of Fire Control that we have had to fork $millions out on recently." he said with a Christian smile.

thats wrong    the bush is what this country is all about..the only thing about bush fires today as against the past  is... they impact on humans more and more   because of stoooopid humans    not because the bush is spreading... 

we cant avoid fire its part of our culture   the bush relies on it to regenerate itself..... for goodness sakes....most fires could be left to die all by themselves... if it wasnt for the human factor......

we could in fact spend more time helping the animals....who usually have more sense and get out before the fires take hold.......

this year was a bad year all round....no one was prepared for what happened.....even though scomo was expected to be prepared.....he wasnt.. I guess its the human coming out in him....look at the holiday makers  who went in knowing the dangers.. but still they went there.. ::) ::) ::) ::)

anyway back to Sir David and crook rejoicing..

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 8:39am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 8:26am: ScoMo wants to deforest the remaining 20% of Australia's Bush and Forests and is already opening up the National Parks for more 'usage' for exploitation. "By getting rid of the forests, we get rid of Wild Fires, like what we have seen. Prevention is better than the cure and it will thus remove the high cost of Fire Control that we have had to fork $millions out on recently." he said with a Christian smile. thats wrong    the bush is what this country is all about..the only thing about bush fires today as against the past  is... they impact on humans more and more   because of stoooopid humans    not because the bush is spreading...  we cant avoid fire its part of our culture   the bush relies on it to regenerate itself..... for goodness sakes....most fires could be left to die all by themselves... if it wasnt for the human factor...... we could in fact spend more time helping the animals....who usually have more sense and get out before the fires take hold....... this year was a bad year all round....no one was prepared for what happened.....even though scomo was expected to be prepared.....he wasnt.. I guess its the human coming out in him....look at the holiday makers  who went in knowing the dangers.. but still they went there.. ::) ::) ::) ::)

Maybe JaSin made that up … what Scomo's supposed to have said.  Not even Scomo is that dumb

and we have millions of square kms of bush

then there are the plasma or laser beams which began the fires according to those who were there

have a look at this page

it's enough to scare us out of our lotus eating

New.com.au

Real Estate, Building Industry are licking their chops at all these people who have to buy new homes and shops again.

who really knows at the end of the day...anything is possible  but I think we all know this year has been extraordinary by even our standards....

we need a better system...

one man one hose   is a bit archaic for me...

maybe drones will be the future.  something needs to change thats for sure.

Jasin wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:02am:

Real Estate, Building Industry are licking their chops at all these people who have to buy new homes and shops again.

and why not.. look at the tradies.... we are going to have more tradie millionaires   good on em...

as long as we dont end up with shysters   I dont mind anyone making money

"Attenborough Lashes Coalition On Climate" ...

Yeah, many Poms are into those "kinky" activities.  ;)

Jasin wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:02am:

Real Estate, Building Industry are licking their chops at all these people who have to buy new homes and shops again.

Good on you.  You've put your finger on it

I hadn't even thought of that (but I'm not a psychopath like 'our' politicians and those who own them)

Windscreens O'Brien used to pay kids to go throw stones at people's windscreens.

It's called 'a created market'.

Jasin wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 10:10am:

Windscreens O'Brien used to pay kids to go throw stones at people's windscreens. It's called 'a created market'.

so you are seriously saying Real Estate are responsible for burning the country down    to create a MARKET.. >:( >:(  even though it will be many many months for these country towns to recover......OMG what a sinister thing to suggest... >:( >:( >:(

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 10:37am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:10am: Windscreens O'Brien used to pay kids to go throw stones at people's windscreens. It's called 'a created market'. so you are seriously saying Real Estate are responsible for burning the country down    to create a MARKET.. >:( >:(  even though it will be many many months for these country towns to recover......OMG what a sinister thing to suggest... >:( >:( >:(

Arson anyone? :-?
Most of those towns and businesses were basically a lost cause. Possible insurance jobs?

Didn't Attenborough lose all his credibility after he pushed baby seals off a cliff or something like that?

Gordon wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 10:44am:

Didn't Attenborough lose all his credibility after he pushed baby seals off a cliff or something like that?

never heard that....no way 

I remember Disney being accused of pushing leemings off a cliff for a file... but I cant believe that either.

Attenborough had a Netflix film in which alleged climate change force waruses to fall from a cliff.

His new film, using the same footage, shows polar bears hunting them.

lee wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 10:52am:

Attenborough had a Netflix film in which alleged climate change force waruses to fall from a cliff. His new film, using the same footage, shows polar bears hunting them.

I thought Polar bears always hunted walrus or seals....

is he claiming this is a new trend because of climate change??? :-/

David Attenborough will soon be an Extinct Species.
Dead as a Dodo.
Politicians can't wait for his Documentaries to become a specimen in an archive.

Jasin wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 10:59am:

David Attenborough will soon be an Extinct Species. Dead as a Dodo. Politicians can't wait for his Documentaries to become a specimen in an archive.

I like him   you can learn an awful lot from him...however he keeps pointing his finger in our direction...like a lot of people do.......yet Britain is still exporting coal... how about looking in your own back yard first   thats what I say.....dont tell us what to do   then do the opposite in your own backyard that isnt fair.

Jasin wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 10:39am:

cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:37am: Jasin wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:10am: Windscreens O'Brien used to pay kids to go throw stones at people's windscreens. It's called 'a created market'. so you are seriously saying Real Estate are responsible for burning the country down    to create a MARKET.. >:( >:(  even though it will be many many months for these country towns to recover......OMG what a sinister thing to suggest... >:( >:( >:( Arson anyone? :-? Most of those towns and businesses were basically a lost cause. Possible insurance jobs?

Did David know about the 200 arsonists that have been charged?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 11:06am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:39am: cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:37am: Jasin wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:10am: Windscreens O'Brien used to pay kids to go throw stones at people's windscreens. It's called 'a created market'. so you are seriously saying Real Estate are responsible for burning the country down    to create a MARKET.. >:( >:(  even though it will be many many months for these country towns to recover......OMG what a sinister thing to suggest... >:( >:( >:( Arson anyone? :-? Most of those towns and businesses were basically a lost cause. Possible insurance jobs? Did David know about the 200 arsonists that have been charged?

Did you know round figures are always suspicious.

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 12:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 11:06am: Jasin wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:39am: cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:37am: Jasin wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:10am: Windscreens O'Brien used to pay kids to go throw stones at people's windscreens. It's called 'a created market'. so you are seriously saying Real Estate are responsible for burning the country down    to create a MARKET.. >:( >:(  even though it will be many many months for these country towns to recover......OMG what a sinister thing to suggest... >:( >:( >:( Arson anyone? :-? Most of those towns and businesses were basically a lost cause. Possible insurance jobs? Did David know about the 200 arsonists that have been charged? Did you know round figures are always suspicious.

There is argument about the true number of arsonists:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/08/police-contradict-claims-spread-online-exaggerating-arsons-role-in-australian-bushfires

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 1:30pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 12:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 11:06am: Jasin wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:39am: cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:37am: Jasin wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 10:10am: Windscreens O'Brien used to pay kids to go throw stones at people's windscreens. It's called 'a created market'. so you are seriously saying Real Estate are responsible for burning the country down    to create a MARKET.. >:( >:(  even though it will be many many months for these country towns to recover......OMG what a sinister thing to suggest... >:( >:( >:( Arson anyone? :-? Most of those towns and businesses were basically a lost cause. Possible insurance jobs? Did David know about the 200 arsonists that have been charged? Did you know round figures are always suspicious. There is argument about the true number of arsonists: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/08/police-contradict-claims-spread-online-exaggerating-arsons-role-in-australian-bushfires

dont forget bobby   THAT HOW MANY WERE CAUGHT AND CHARGED...

imagine how many got away with it.. >:( >:( >:(

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 2:21pm:

dont forget bobby   THAT HOW MANY WERE CAUGHT AND CHARGED... imagine how many got away with it.. >:( >:( >:(

I want to see severe, draconian punishments.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 4:47pm:

cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 2:21pm: dont forget bobby   THAT HOW MANY WERE CAUGHT AND CHARGED... imagine how many got away with it.. >:( >:( >:( I want to see severe, draconian punishments.

And I want to see severe, draconian punishments for all those silly enough to deny the reality so fast moving in upon us all.

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 4:47pm: cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 2:21pm: dont forget bobby   THAT HOW MANY WERE CAUGHT AND CHARGED... imagine how many got away with it.. >:( >:( >:( I want to see severe, draconian punishments. And I want to see severe, draconian punishments for all those silly enough to deny the reality so fast moving in upon us all.

why does DENIAL BOTHER YOU SO MUCH>..

we all follow the rules of the land.. we are not burning fossil fuel....I at least have never set fire to the bush....

I cant think of one thing I am doing that our CLIMATE CHANGE expurts are  not doing......

can you list a few things you are doing sir   that us others are not???...

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 8:48am:

And I want to see severe, draconian punishments for all those silly enough to deny the reality so fast moving in upon us all.

And yet you didn't get back to me about the draconian Greta's contemporaries  "will be lucky to past their forties"

PZ547 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 8:45am:

cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 8:39am: Jasin wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 8:26am: ScoMo wants to deforest the remaining 20% of Australia's Bush and Forests and is already opening up the National Parks for more 'usage' for exploitation. "By getting rid of the forests, we get rid of Wild Fires, like what we have seen. Prevention is better than the cure and it will thus remove the high cost of Fire Control that we have had to fork $millions out on recently." he said with a Christian smile. thats wrong    the bush is what this country is all about..the only thing about bush fires today as against the past  is... they impact on humans more and more   because of stoooopid humans    not because the bush is spreading...  we cant avoid fire its part of our culture   the bush relies on it to regenerate itself..... for goodness sakes....most fires could be left to die all by themselves... if it wasnt for the human factor...... we could in fact spend more time helping the animals....who usually have more sense and get out before the fires take hold....... this year was a bad year all round....no one was prepared for what happened.....even though scomo was expected to be prepared.....he wasnt.. I guess its the human coming out in him....look at the holiday makers  who went in knowing the dangers.. but still they went there.. ::) ::) ::) ::) Maybe JaSin made that up … what Scomo's supposed to have said.  Not even Scomo is that dumb and we have millions of square kms of bush then there are the plasma or laser beams which began the fires according to those who were there have a look at this page it's enough to scare us out of our lotus eating New.com.au

I looked and read that link, how coincidental with the proposed train line! And what way to rid of people and their properties without having to buy them out etc (a bit like the movie The Castle).

I showed the link to my hubby, first I showed him about the tree burnt from within, he said, that could be a tree that lightening hit.
I told him about the exploding trees people had been reporting, and he says, that could be the moisture in the trees. (I'm thinking, wasn't it dry? but then I recall how the environmentalists were surprised the rain forest caught alight etc).
Then I showed him the photographed lazer beams, he just said with a puzzled look "hmmmm…that's interesting."
Then, when I showed him the graph of where the fires where and the proposed train line, his eyes lit up and his reaction was that we don't know what hell they (government, officials, whomever etc) are doing behind our backs for their purpose, all that dirty work etc.
That rattled him.
So it's an interesting link, and thanks for posting it. Worthy of discussion.

What better way to start an attack on Australia!
Set it alight and watch the fires handicap the nation.

Australia - just light a match.

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 1:24pm:

What better way to start an attack on Australia! Set it alight and watch the fires handicap the nation. Australia - just light a match.

[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

HAARP.......................???

https://i.ibb.co/Zd7CnN6/ozfire.jpg

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50938504

Sir Dave spends 80yrs of his life studying and recording planet Earth and its critters, what would he know, he is only in it for the money.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 4:51pm:

Sir Dave spends 80yrs of his life studying and recording planet Earth, what would he know, he is only in it for the money.

So tell us what a naturalist knows about climate petal. Other than it changes of course. ;)

Remember the poor walrus. Falling down cliffs because .... climate. Not falling down cliffs because ......polar bears.

lee wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 4:53pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 4:51pm: Sir Dave spends 80yrs of his life studying and recording planet Earth, what would he know, he is only in it for the money. So tell us what a naturalist knows about climate petal. Other than it changes of course. ;) Remember the poor walrus. Falling down cliffs because .... climate. Not falling down cliffs because ......polar bears.

The rapid change is what he is banging on about sugar plum honey bunch cherry picker.

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Money can buy anything and anyone, even Sir David.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 4:57pm:

The rapid change is what he is banging on about sugar plum honey bunch cherry picker.

What rapid change petal? One degree in 150 years? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Perhaps you should read up on the othere warming periods this holocene. ;)

Ajax wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 5:14pm:

Money can buy anything and anyone, even Sir David.

BS.

https://www.climate4you.com/images/GISP2%20TemperatureSince10700%20BP%20with%20CO2%20from%20EPICA%20DomeC.gif



Notice the steepness of some of those rises in he EPICA graph.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 5:23pm:

Ajax wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 5:14pm: Money can buy anything and anyone, even Sir David. BS.

:)


I think he is a good man   but seriously you cannot condemn one country.... we are not the WORLD....

and his own country is an exporter of coal...SOOOOOO..

cods wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 6:22pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 5:23pm: Ajax wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 5:14pm: Money can buy anything and anyone, even Sir David. BS. The word is doomed, right now there are billions of cars planes ships and power stations spewing out billions of tons of toxic gasses while clearing land and exterminating species, Dave is calling it as he sees it, Australia is doing its bit but nothing will save us now. :) I think he is a good man   but seriously you cannot condemn one country.... we are not the WORLD.... and his own country is an exporter of coal...SOOOOOO..

xeel    you are a doom and gloom bloke I see   thats sad..

try to see these things as tests for us humans to solve...not the end of the world....

we took our eye off the ball  I get that...

.we need to appreciate and take care of things a whole lot better than we have been doing.....

its the same with inventions...we invent bigger smarter  TV sets and mobile phones  that seem to change every few weeks....

thats whats become important to us......

not finding cures for childhood diseases.. or making paraplegics  walk again......or stopping motor neuron and dementia....the brain is the most remarkable machine in the world   yet we know almost nothing about it.............yet smart phones!!!!!!!!... who doesnt have one???? ::).....

what we dont realise is   they are taking over our own brains...some people need them to tell them what day it is... ::) ::)