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Title: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 11th, 2020 at 9:02am
Trump said he ordered strike on Iranian general to help with impeachment
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by cods on Jan 11th, 2020 at 9:11am
so the Wall Street Journal can read minds...
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Dnarever on Jan 11th, 2020 at 9:22am cods wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 9:11am:
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You don't need to read minds when -( Mr. Trump..... told) - Mr Trump tells you ? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by rhino on Jan 11th, 2020 at 9:35am
Im pretty good at reading and comprehending the English language and i cant see how that statement implicated Trump in organising the strike for his personal political gain. He very well may have , I dont know but this sort of thing just gives him ammunition for his "fake news" argument. I think just stick to the facts and avoid this type of specious reasoning.
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 11th, 2020 at 10:36am Of course he murdered the General for his own political gain. I said so from the beginning. He did it for three main reasons: 1. take the heat off impeachment 2. enhance his re-election prospects 3. leave a legacy as a President who fought a war, rather than be remembered as a failed businessman, coward, and alleged child rapist Donald Trump only ever does things that will benefit him personally. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Rider on Jan 11th, 2020 at 8:34pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 10:36am:
And you would be wrong. Quell surprise. 1. What heat? Has someone warmed up that corpse Pelosi? 2. Doesn't need to. 3. Tosh. Complete and utter. Like donating his Presidential salary would benefit himself......gweggy must be trying out for some sort of comedy gig.....but you ain't funny are you....I suppose you could audition at the ABC cafeteria with all the lefturd lovies. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by John Smith on Jan 11th, 2020 at 8:38pm Rider wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 8:34pm:
of course he only donated because he thought he would benefit. He obviously doesn't believe in charity, he even rips of his own charities. And he had to make up a story about donating money to an couple who helped him when his limo broke down because he's to tight to actually donate money:D :D :D |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Richdude on Jan 12th, 2020 at 1:27am John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 8:38pm:
LOL! :D Some of you Trump haters are so ..... Why do you assume the very worst motivations for Trump? Do you really think he sought the Presidency just to make some extra cash or gratify his ego? You really are so blind! |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Jan 12th, 2020 at 5:14am Richdude wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 1:27am:
He said so over the years. In face he was thinking of being a democrat for a while wasnt he? Spot |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Richdude on Jan 12th, 2020 at 5:47am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 5:14am:
That was at a time when the Democrats may have been worth voting for. Trump is neither Republican or Democrat in the traditional sense. He's an outsider surrounded by career mostly compromised politicians and influence peddling bureaucrats. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by cods on Jan 12th, 2020 at 9:45am Richdude wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 1:27am:
its not just Trump its anyone who isnt on their side... they suffer untold ......horrors when the darkside isnt in power......it more or less blows their minds....they dont seem to handle losing at all...... hells bells Hillary and her demons are testament to that..3 long years of sheer agony.. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:30am Rider wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 8:34pm:
No. I'm 100% right, actually. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:39am Richdude wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 1:27am:
He wasn't seeking the Presidency, he never expected to win. It was meant to be a platform to launch his TV Network. Problem is he won. This is why his platform is so lacking in substance, he never expected to need one. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:40am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:39am:
Correctamundo! |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by cods on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:49am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:39am:
boy you lefties are going to have so much egg on your faces when he gets in a second time.... ;D ;D ;D suppository hasnt been seen at the real PA since the election shortarse couldnt lose.. ;D ;D ;D he just couldnt handle it.... :'( :'( can dish it out but when the boots on the other foot... gone!!! like most cowards! what out sad you are going to be eating a lot of words... |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:54am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 10:36am:
4. Kill a dangerous terrorist and protect Americans. All four reasons are good, valid resons. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:55am
Why did Iran shoot down the Ukranian passenger plane?
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:55am Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:54am:
He didn't even know who the guy was. He ordered his murder for personal gain - no other reason. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 12th, 2020 at 11:27am
You're saying Trump took a folly formed platform to the people and to office?
A wall, that he couldn't get funding for even with Republican controlled all levels of Government for over 2 years. Repealing and replacing ObamaCare with something that would be better and cover everyone, tell that to the millions who lost their coverage when he repealed it then walked away because it was hard, who knew? And looking after the forgotten people by loading them with more debt after the cost neutral tax cuts for the rich didn't deliver the returns claimed and his spending has been out of control reversing the trend under Obama and reaching record non war time levels. That's practically the entity of his platform and he's failed at every measure. And that ignores all the golfing, the funneling of money through his hotels and all the time he's taken off after the song and dance about Obama golfing and holidaying too much and Trump would be too busy to do that. If you honestly think he was expecting to be President you should be demanding more from him and speaking out about what a poor job he's doing. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Dnarever on Jan 12th, 2020 at 12:55pm Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:54am:
It is pretty much universally agreed that it put the US in more danger, not such a good reason. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 5:43pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 12:55pm:
Universally agreed - the Granuaid/ABC told you. Echo chamber. Look at the response from Iran - they killed a lot of their own people with Canadian passports daring to fly an Ukrainian plane. Killing their own people seems a pretty reliable response from them to almost anything. MORE danger?? What? The Iranians have not been chanting 'Death to Americaaaaa" for 40 years? Just started now? Oh, and the 'death to America' spittle-flecked crowd stampeded to death 56 of their own. That REALLY showed America what 'more danger' means in Farsi. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 5:57pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:55am:
Don't be SO Bwianesque, Turd - why would he order Soleimani's elimination if he didn't even know who he was? This was the Trump remake of the Obama/Clinton production of "13 Hours" on the Benghazi attack on the US in 2012 in Labia. The Trump production was a short film shot on a mobile, titled "13 Seconds". So much better. i |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Brian Ross on Jan 12th, 2020 at 7:43pm
More like "Wag the Dog", Soren. Tsk, tsk, ::) ::)
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 12th, 2020 at 7:45pm Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 5:57pm:
Personal political gain. It's already been explained to you. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 9:08pm
Guy
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 7:45pm:
Why not the janitor at the district high school? Didn't know him either. You are discombobulated in your usual impotent rage against an effective and succesful Trump. Love watching your squirming, stinker. Keep posting, loser. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 12th, 2020 at 9:48pm Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 9:08pm:
The alleged child rapist's advisers recommended the Iranian General as a target. Didn't you know that? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:06pm
I don't think Frank wants to know why Mr Trump ordered his strike, Greggery.
You? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:18pm
Soleimani backed militia attacked US embassy in Iraq they even wrote his name on the wall under the window.
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:19pm
Writing name on wall told the US who was responsible
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Yadda on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:29pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 12:55pm:
Dnarever, Oh ??? Put the US in danger, from whom Dnarever ??? Oh yeah, its the followers of ISLAM, who from their mothers knee have been swearing to Allah, to hate and to fight and to kill every person who rejects ISLAM. Those persons. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Yadda on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:51pm Yadda wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:29pm:
Mass murderer, and author of Iran's state terror Qasem Soleimani, ...was taken out by Pres. Donald J Trump. Meanwhile in the UK..... WWW search.... UK: Imam tells Muslims that “we aspire to be like” Soleimani |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by rhino on Jan 13th, 2020 at 1:36am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 10:36am:
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 6:15am rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 1:36am:
Gregory has pointed out that Donald only does things which benefit him personally This I would contend is true of all human beings I'm not trying to hide behind some sham of benevolence for the other Trump is able to ramp up his authenticity whilst doing so It's a mistake to pretend to the electorate that you are better than you actually are I think this is one of the most emotionally intelligent things that trump does He does not pretend to be anything other then what he is That's called authentic and it is extremely rare in the political realm Your average American. Your average real American is probably always sizing people up You get the members of the lefty intellectual elite Who try to present this facade that their life is all about protecting a lifting up the oppressed Hollywood is a classic example The most privileged the richest people scalding middle America The ivy League leftist intellectuals are another classic example The most privileged richest people in America scalding middle America Middle America just won't buy it Real Americans can see the untenable position of the lefty intellectual elite They see that trump speak to them in plain spoken language He is very careful to always present himself as a flawed individua l And the fact that he acts out of self-interest He just owns that They can respect that They will certainly respect that enough to give him another 4 years |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 7:44am
It's a mistake to pretend that you're better than you are?
Oh, dear... |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:23am FD wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 7:44am:
I stand by that statement Politicians of the emotional persuasion of say Gregory or yourself or Skippy Present to the world a persona of the perfect man Americans are pretty cynical They ain't buying that BS Particularly when they detect the seething resentful bitter hateful vibration That lurks beneath this facade Trump does the exact opposite He's a goofy guy He talks at the level of a grade 4 student He deliberately messes things up Because he understands that this is what humans are like He never pretended he was a saint He likes to hang out with KFC He admits he likes the women He likes his gold toilet He's always teasing provoking He doesn't scald the American people He just likes to tell stories that entertain the American people In this way he enriches their lives How does Elizabeth Warren or Joe biden plan to add value to the lives of real Americans By being boring chodes Appearing on TV or Twitter and boring them to death By being nice guys Americans don't want nice guys for friends And they certainly don't want them for leaders |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:29am rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 1:36am:
No. Trump is still alive. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:39am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:29am:
A perfect example for you Carmel The virtuous nice gentleman persona presented to the world by the perfect nice gentleman and very virtuous Gregory And yet easily detectable is the bitter resentment and hatred bubbling just below the surface Wishing the president of the United States where dead This is the dilemma that the left face Their inability to man up and own up to the fact that it is hatred that is driving them They aren't fooling real America Real America cease and is frothing at the mouth Or pelosi frothing at the mouth Or Warren frothing at the mouth And they just aren't going to buy this nice guy narrative All I see is what we see when we look at Gregory A lack of emotional mastery And unfocused discontent It's very unattractive ;) |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:44am aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:39am:
Nothing to do with hatred. If Trump didn't exist, the world would be a much better place. Fact. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:46am aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:23am:
Mr Trump's based his entire brand on being the best, dear. Gold toilets, biggest private yacht, fake Renoirs, the lot. He only ran for Prez to add more cache to the brand. He promised the world: a big beautiful wall - not a fence - that he'd get Mexico to pay for. If there's one thing Mr Trump knows, it's how to build things and get others to pay. Repeal and replace Obamacare - only Mr Trump could do this because he knows how to work with Republicans, believe me. Fix the mess in North Korea - created by Obama, of course, because he couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag. Mr Trump knows how East Asian communist dictators work. Only he can save America from certain nuclear annihilation. Create jobs for all Americans. The unemployment figures are rigged. Mr Trump will create jobs just by being in the White House. In fact, his daughter Ivanka just created 17 million jobs (a little more than all US jobs created in the past three years, but you get the idea). Mr Trump will be too busy making America great again to play golf, you'll see. World leaders will treat the White House with respect again. We'll win so much we'll get tired of winning. Highest ever ratings in TV history, biggest-selling book, a landslide erection victory, biggest inauguration crowd ever, etc, etc, etc. Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 10:06am
No you have it wrong again Carmel
When trump addresses the crowd he's basically just being an off the cuff bullshitartist And people recognise this When Warren or pelosi or biden address the crowd They are very earnest and sincere If you ask them where they just mucking around and telling tall stories they would be horrified Because they aren't They are elucidating and ideological position Trump doesn't have an ideological position That's what makes him so damned attractive He just talks crap and people love it I saw him commenting on the current crisis with the duchess of Sussex He said he had met the queen and she was a lovely lady and he had met the duchess and she was also lovely and he was sure they would work it out He's talking about the Queen of England In the same way someone would talk about two toddlers in a sandpit having a squabble That's just so folksy It's also subtly incredibly dominant It sets him up as the ruler of planet earth When you can talk about the Queen of England and set her up in a frame where she is envisioned by the population as a naughty toddler It sets you up as the extreme dominator Trump does this all the time He creates frames where the status of his opponents is demolished And he assumes value Even value which she probably does not deserve But that only makes him twice as dominant Because when you act like the king And you are totally congruent with that belief Everyone else falls into your frame It's the secret of his success No one understands how the unthinking masses are so easily sucked into a frame As trump does |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 13th, 2020 at 10:42am FD wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:46am:
Bugger me I totally forgot about that... Quote:
I really think he continues to get support because people see this incompetent, unhealthy, stupid failure of a man who can't tell the truth and I think it gives them hope that without changing anything about themselves, they can become a billionaire. But, and this is where Trump rhetoric comes in, this hasn't happened, not because of them or anything they've done, but because of immigrants or the woke left wanting equality for everyone, not an advantage for them. The more Scoot tries to justify his ever-changing standards on Trump, the more the above starts to stand out. aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 10:06am:
Have you stopped to ask why? Everyone has an ideological position. Be it based on their personal morality or because their parents passed it down to them. Trump does have an ideological position, it's just not the traditional left or right, liberal or conservative, it's simply, "Trump winning". He doesn't have to actually win, he just has to say he's winning. And he'll do whatever it takes to keep it that way. This is how he's run his businesses and how he crafts his persona/presidency. When he can't fake he's winning, he lies about his opponents "losing", or being low IQ, ugly, blah blah blah take your pick. This is what is at the core of the man and it should terrify his supporters. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2020 at 10:46am aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 10:06am:
He's not as attractive as Hillary though. People love Clinton more. Or should I say, more people love Clinton. 3,000,000 more. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2020 at 10:49am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 10:42am:
You've nailed it right there. That's what I believe too. (Not that he's actually a billionaire, by the way - that lie has also been exposed). |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 1:17pm
I say, Aquascoot, how do we go from -
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? It's not just the crowd though, is it? To the Mexican president: Look, just say that you'll pay for it, we'll sort out the details, don't worry about it. To the Great Leader of the Democratic Republic of North Korea: Just say you're thinking about stopping the nukes. We'll wait and see, okay? To the Ukrainian president: ...but I have a small favour to ask. This Crowdstrike thing, some say it's based in the Ukraine... Speak to Rudy... announce an investigation into Sleepy Joe... look, there was no quid-pro-quo... fake news... a witch hunt... an act of treason... so unfair... Could we say he's an all-round bullshitartist, do you think? Can we tweak your statement from it being a mistake to pretend to the electorate (and world leaders, the US congress, the senate, the courts, and pretty much everybody else) to being a sign of GREATNESS? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 1:34pm FD wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 1:17pm:
? It's not just the crowd though, is it? To the Mexican president: Look, just say that you'll pay for it, we'll sort out the details, don't worry about it. To the Great Leader of the Democratic Republic of North Korea: Just say you're thinking about stopping the nukes. We'll wait and see, okay? To the Ukrainian president: ...but I have a small favour to ask. This Crowdstrike thing, some say it's based in the Ukraine... Speak to Rudy... announce an investigation into Sleepy Joe... look, there was no quid-pro-quo... fake news... a witch hunt... an act of treason... so unfair... Could we say he's an all-round bullshitartist, do you think? Can we tweak your statement from it being a mistake to pretend to the electorate (and world leaders, the US congress, the senate, the courts, and pretty much everybody else) to being a sign of GREATNESS? [/quote] policies, polcies, logical arguements, yawn yawn. they dont matter. people vote their temperament they vote their emotional state. you dont convince people by presenting the facts you dont persuade people by presenting policies. you look deep into their eyes, understand them at their core and reflect back to them their underlying personal psychology. trump is an excellent psychologist. trumps awesome entertaining, emotion spiking routine is part of "the doctor is the drug". so awesome a paradigm shift. study it for 4 years. but beware karnal. this is just the beginning. trump is a bit of an odd guy and a bit undisplined. but he is trailblazing for the next conservative leader who will "study him for 4 years" and then combine a much shrewder intellect with the raw lessons of the donald. that will be a formidable foe that the intellectual elite of the left will have no counter to. in a way, putin is trump mark 2. strong, noble, patriotic, confident, competant. against the weak sauce , hand wringing snowflakery of leftie identity politics, the next president may be more putin like. and that should see an end to the leftie universities and corrupted leftie school system ;) |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2020 at 1:57pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 1:34pm:
policies, polcies, logical arguements, yawn yawn. they dont matter. people vote their temperament they vote their emotional state. [/quote] And in 2016, 3,000,000 more people voted for Hillary Clinton. Did you forget that little detail? I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 2:02pm
You are correct Greg.
That is the truth. But the truth is just " weak sauce" in the new paradigm. The truth is the consolation prize for being a chode. Going to university and becoming a member of the chattering classes is also the consolation prize for failures. The future belongs to those who are " paying attention" People like the Donald. Commeth the hour |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2020 at 2:17pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 2:02pm:
Yet 3,000,000 more people voted for the Hillary. Thus, the Hillary is liked more than the Donald. Year nine maths, innit? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Fuzzball on Jan 13th, 2020 at 3:04pm
'The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike'..........he wanted to give that be_atch pessary something to whine about..........
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 3:15pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 1:34pm:
policies, polcies, logical arguements, yawn yawn. they dont matter. people vote their temperament they vote their emotional state. you dont convince people by presenting the facts you dont persuade people by presenting policies. you look deep into their eyes, understand them at their core and reflect back to them their underlying personal psychology. trump is an excellent psychologist. trumps awesome entertaining, emotion spiking routine is part of "the doctor is the drug". so awesome a paradigm shift. study it for 4 years. but beware karnal. this is just the beginning. trump is a bit of an odd guy and a bit undisplined. but he is trailblazing for the next conservative leader who will "study him for 4 years" and then combine a much shrewder intellect with the raw lessons of the donald. that will be a formidable foe that the intellectual elite of the left will have no counter to. in a way, putin is trump mark 2. strong, noble, patriotic, confident, competant. against the weak sauce , hand wringing snowflakery of leftie identity politics, the next president may be more putin like. and that should see an end to the leftie universities and corrupted leftie school system ;)[/quote] I didn't mention policies and logical arguments, dear. I asked if lying is not a mistake per se, but a mark of GREATNESS. Mr Trump can offer Fat Steve all the fast food he wants. Here, Fat Steve, have a voucher - two cheeseburgers for the price of one! Or he can offer Joe Sixpack some cans of Jim Beam and Cola - vote 1 Trump! Or promise Joe Lunchbox a job - start on Monday, Joe. Speak to Ivanka! I know, I know, the new political paradigm, masterful, cometh the hour. But my question is what happens if you don't deliver? If you never meant it all along? If you were just bullshitting to the crowd? What's the strategy for when they find out? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 3:23pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 2:17pm:
Yes, but Aquascoot's saying that's old politics - too boring, all those policies and whatnot. Those people didn't mean to vote for Hillary. They wanted their vote to go to a member of an electoral college to vote for them. They wanted Mr Trump. Cometh the hour, dear. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 13th, 2020 at 3:57pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 1:34pm:
policies, polcies, logical arguements, yawn yawn. they dont matter. people vote their temperament they vote their emotional state. you dont convince people by presenting the facts you dont persuade people by presenting policies. you look deep into their eyes, understand them at their core and reflect back to them their underlying personal psychology. trump is an excellent psychologist. trumps awesome entertaining, emotion spiking routine is part of "the doctor is the drug". so awesome a paradigm shift. study it for 4 years. but beware karnal. this is just the beginning. trump is a bit of an odd guy and a bit undisplined. but he is trailblazing for the next conservative leader who will "study him for 4 years" and then combine a much shrewder intellect with the raw lessons of the donald. that will be a formidable foe that the intellectual elite of the left will have no counter to. in a way, putin is trump mark 2. strong, noble, patriotic, confident, competant. against the weak sauce , hand wringing snowflakery of leftie identity politics, the next president may be more putin like. and that should see an end to the leftie universities and corrupted leftie school system ;)[/quote] And therein lies the crux of your problem Scoot. You are equating a politician who is good at campaigning to one who is good at leading. They are a separate skillset. What you need to win an election is the opposite of what it takes to be a good leader. This is why you usually see a transition early on after a candidates shift to the top office. But with Trump that hasn't happened. He's STILL holding rallies, he's still lying and he still doesn't have any thought out policy, something that was astoundingly bad BEFORE he assassinated the Iranian General, and now, on the brink of war, it's just unconscionable to know that the leadership is asleep at the wheel. You have nowhere else to go Scoot. You've backflipped so much the only thing left to do is start supporting the dems. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:04pm Fuzzball wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 3:04pm:
Exactly. That's just the way a masterful tactitian conducts foreign policy under the new paradigm. 4 years, no? It's been reduced from 5. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:10pm
The Iranians have stood down.
All the eager progs hoping for conflagration 'coz Trump' can now sit down and look for some other manufactured outrage to whine about. The top Iranian terrorist is dead. The Iranians killed a bunch of other Iranians travelling on Canadian passports on a Ukranian plane. Large number of Iranians are angry and embarrassed about the venal incompetence of their ayatollas. Trumps standing has only increased - only Guardianistas/'your ABC-types' are still kvetching (and they will NEVER stop, no matter what). |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Brian Ross on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:28pm
The Iranians have stood down.
All the eager reactlonaries hoping for conflagration 'coz Iran' can now sit down and look for some other manufactured outrage to whine about. The top Iranian terrorist is dead. The Iranians killed a bunch of other Iranians travelling on Canadian passports on a Ukranian plane. Large number of Iranians are angry and embarrassed about the venal incompetence of their ayatollas. Trumps standing has only decreased - only Lovecraftian Horror Worshippers/'Spectator-Readers-types' are still kvetching (and they will NEVER stop, no matter what). ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Gordon on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:39pm
Drone technology evolved during Obama's presidency and he embraced it with both hands, he was nuts for them!
He probably woke up every morning thinking, which Arabs arse will I shove a Hellfire up today. If Obama offed the Iranian, the lefties would have a little inaudible tut tut and and go back to their gay unicorn studies. Another clear example of Trump derangement syndrome. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:47pm FD wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:46am:
You are really struggling with your deep resentment issues, paki. You simply cannot strop scratching, no matter how raw you already are. Not a way to live. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 6:59pm Frank wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:10pm:
Oh, have they now? Abandoned their recently-revisited nuclear weapons program, have they? Jolly good. Will the last leftard here turn the lights off, please. Take your kvetching to the old boy. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 7:02pm Frank wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:47pm:
Good to see you agree, old chap. We'll make an assimilated Australian of you yet, no? Right after we make America great again. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 7:09pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
Mission accomplished, old boy-style. We'll wheel him out of a fighter jet for the cameras, shall we? It's the new paradigm, you see. Cometh the hour, dear. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:21pm FD wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 3:15pm:
I didn't mention policies and logical arguments, dear. I asked if lying is not a mistake per se, but a mark of GREATNESS. Mr Trump can offer Fat Steve all the fast food he wants. Here, Fat Steve, have a voucher - two cheeseburgers for the price of one! Or he can offer Joe Sixpack some cans of Jim Beam and Cola - vote 1 Trump! Or promise Joe Lunchbox a job - start on Monday, Joe. Speak to Ivanka! I know, I know, the new political paradigm, masterful, cometh the hour. But my question is what happens if you don't deliver? If you never meant it all along? If you were just bullshitting to the crowd? What's the strategy for when they find out? [/quote] yet again you show your lack of emotional intelligence. steve doesnt want cheeseburgers from trump. joe 6 pack doesnt want jim beam. what do people WANT from a leader? they dont want "things" they dont want "stuff". they want to "feel the emotional state they are addicted to". a master persuader like trump "gets it". they want a leader who is strong powerful cocky confident and entertaining because that "feels" so much better then a leftie intellectual who scalds them, tells them the climate is collapsing and that they are a deplorable stain on the earth. trump is presenting an authentic unshakeable consistent message "MAGA" and "we are going to win so much". he is tapping into peoples emotions and temperament and people vote their emotions and temperament. i dont think trump even worries himself with insignificant crap like policy. should michelangelo worry about the parking at St Peters in rome. he is operating at an inspirational emotional level. trumps role is to inspire and "raise the vibration". its nothing to do with all that civil service rot. thats a job for the chodes. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:33pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:21pm:
yet again you show your lack of emotional intelligence. steve doesnt want cheeseburgers from trump. joe 6 pack doesnt want jim beam. what do people WANT from a leader? they dont want "things" they dont want "stuff". they want to "feel the emotional state they are addicted to". a master persuader like trump "gets it". they want a leader who is strong powerful cocky confident and entertaining because that "feels" so much better then a leftie intellectual who scalds them, tells them the climate is collapsing and that they are a deplorable stain on the earth. trump is presenting an authentic unshakeable consistent message "MAGA" and "we are going to win so much". he is tapping into peoples emotions and temperament and people vote their emotions and temperament. i dont think trump even worries himself with insignificant crap like policy. should michelangelo worry about the parking at St Peters in rome. he is operating at an inspirational emotional level. trumps role is to inspire and "raise the vibration". its nothing to do with all that civil service rot. thats a job for the chodes. [/quote] And yet 3,000,000 more people voted for Hillary. I guess she was more inspirational. She must have been better at tapping into people's emotions and temperament. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:37pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
You unoriginal wanker of no imagination, wit or sense. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:39pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:33pm:
And yet 3,000,000 more people voted for Hillary. I guess she was more inspirational. She must have been better at tapping into people's emotions and temperament.[/quote] She lost. By the rules set down in the constitution. Completely unfit to lead. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:43pm Frank wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:39pm:
She lost. By the rules set down in the constitution. Completely unfit to lead. [/quote] Why did you change the subject? Nobody was talking about who won or lost the election? Did you post in the wrong thread by mistake? Horse Boy was talking about inspiration, and tapping into people's emotions and temperament, and about how much of a master persuader the alleged child rapist is. Well, Clinton is quite obviously better at all those things, because 3,000,000 more people voted for her. If you want to discuss who won the election, start another thread. Okay? ;) |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Dnarever on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:46pm Frank wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:39pm:
Ludicrous to say that and support Trump. King Donald is the poster boy for unfit for office. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:48pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:46pm:
I can't honestly think of anything he is fit for. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:49pm
She's a loser like you, turd. She contested an election the rules of which were set down in the constitution. She lost. You can bellyache about the number of votes all you like - like the sore loser turd you are. Irrelevant. She lost. You are a loser. She is a loser.
These ARE the facts. Now bugger orf, loser. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:53pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:33pm:
And yet 3,000,000 more people voted for Hillary. I guess she was more inspirational. She must have been better at tapping into people's emotions and temperament.[/quote] Oh indeed, Hilary was one of the most qualified candidates ever. Everyone thought she would win. She was like darius with this massive army and trump was like Alexander. All he had was some bravado and some self belief. But that was enough to secure an unlikely win. One that echoed through the centuries. And we all study these awesome victories. Trumps name will live on in eternity. Hilary will get a few paragraphs to be sure. The name of peccary and aqua scoot will be quickly forgotten . We can only marvel at the " superman" that is the Donald |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:54pm
Good idea, Aquascoot. We'll ask the old boy.
Old boy, as a soon-to-be-assimilated Australian PATRIOT, do you not care whether or not Mr Trump SAVES IRAN? Or BUILDS THE WALL? Or bans the Muselman UNTIL WE CAN WORK OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? Personally, I think Aquascoot's right. I don't think you give a hoot. You? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:58pm FD wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:54pm:
Take out of your mouth whaever you are sucking on, paki, and try to make sense. There's 10 rupees in it for you. Try. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:04pm Frank wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:58pm:
There you go, Aquascoot. From the mouths of chodes. Do you remember what they are, dear? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:04pm FD wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:54pm:
People can rally round the flag. They can be inspired by the idea of their team Team America. You can't be inspired by some remodelled health insurance scheme. When the soldiers took Iwo Jima, they didn't erect a poster advertising the benefits of socialised medicine |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:06pm FD wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:04pm:
You need to spend less time trying to be smart and more time " paying attention" |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:08pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:53pm:
Oh indeed, Hilary was one of the most qualified candidates ever. Everyone thought she would win. She was like darius with this massive army and trump was like Alexander. All he had was some bravado and some self belief. But that was enough to secure an unlikely win. One that echoed through the centuries. And we all study these awesome victories. Trumps name will live on in eternity. Hilary will get a few paragraphs to be sure. The name of peccary and aqua scoot will be quickly forgotten . We can only marvel at the " superman" that is the Donald [/quote] We can only wonder why - if he's such a superman - he didn't get anywhere near as many votes as Hillary. Thoughts? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by PZ547 on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:09pm
So much theatre
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Dnarever on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:10pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:48pm:
If you wanted to increase sales of pineapple juice you could put him in an orange juice add. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:10pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:06pm:
It'd kill him. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:14pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:06pm:
It'd kill him. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:15pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:06pm:
I do try, dear. What's a chode again? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:17pm PZ547 wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:09pm:
It's the new paradigm. 4 years is the minimum. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:28pm FD wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:15pm:
If you look at a social interaction, there are the people who are buzzing off their own awesome energy. Then there are people who are try hards, or too reactive, or if things go wrong they can't deal with it and they tend to complain and cry. People who get easily upset if things don't " go their way" I call them chodes. I sometimes call them " scrubs" I can use that term if you want. They are sort of losers but its deeper then that, Some people can be losers but they are still cool. The chode is a loser but he's really butthurt about it. He's a bad sport. The sort of kid who gets out for a duck ( loser) but then spits the dummy then tries to blame someone else for getting out, then cries to his mummy , and then gets bitter and resentful when a team mate gets 100, If you have a fat wife and a camry and you make a derogatory comment about some successful guy who has a hot wife and a chopper ( like Donald) , then you are definitely a chode |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Dnarever on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:31pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:28pm:
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She hates him. I suspect the porn star thing was the last straw. Donald has likely already moved on - his wife has got a bit old for him. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:35pm PZ547 wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:09pm:
Not really theatre PZ. I'm trying to help my leftie brethren understand why people vote the way they do. Karnal and skippy believe people rationally study the facts and then draw conclusions. I believe people have a temperament and a set of emotional addictions and they go " inside their body" and see who vibes with their emotional state and then they back rationalise the behaviour. If I'm right , nd I think I am, then the ability of the leader to understand the emotional state of the voter is paramount. And with social media and algorhythms amping up this emotional state, this is now the only game in town. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:43pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:28pm:
A fat wife? I think you're meant to call them "big-boned", dear. Quote:
That'll be ten rupees, old boy. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:46pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:31pm:
Do you think lefties like karnal, gweg , skippy and yourself are smarter then Donald trump. I think a lot of lefties do think that. I don't think I am anywhere near as smart as any of the democratic candidates. But I honestly think some of you guys think you could do what trump does. And that's hard on you because you then have o ask, how did I bugger up so much that I have a Camry, a fat wife and no status. It's delusional. No one on this forum could o what trump does for an hour. You grossly overestimate yourself. So don't be so butthurt. But the only way you can then escape chode purgatory is to admire the superior athlete. But I don't sense any admiration from any of you guys. You all seem to think what trump has done was easy. His victory is extraordinary. Your first step back to reality is to acknowledge that |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Richdude on Jan 14th, 2020 at 4:13am Dnarever wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:31pm:
No! YOU hate him! You're projecting again. I suspect that a classy woman with high standards like Melania would adore her husband! |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Richdude on Jan 14th, 2020 at 4:34am aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:46pm:
Yes you are correct Aqua! I wonder where the President gets his strength. They attack him with everything and anything - mostly invented. Yet he just plows away with his enormous workload - untroubled. Achieving what he promised. Sure he hypes but he backs that with sound sensible policies that are way way overdue. His ascendancy and his attempted impeachment were predicted before the 2016 election by some prophesies and numerologists. Is Trump a modern day "Cyrus the Great"? https://youtu.be/Pj0FaoXHnlE |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 14th, 2020 at 6:30am Richdude wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 4:34am:
Attempted? ;D He has been impeached. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 7:36am aquascoot wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 9:46pm:
Hard to say, dear. I've been humbly asking how you think Mr Trump's porkie strategy works when you say the electorate doesn't like being lied to. Yes yes, I know, the voters don't notice - mindless chodes who live lives of pure garbage. Or as Hillary said, deplorables. But the question I'm asking you is what if they find out? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 7:40am Richdude wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 4:34am:
Which policies, Rich? You've never actually said. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:08am
You have gotta get off this policy obsession karmel
It's so 1960s Being a symbolic manifestation of patriotic awesomeness Is the game we are now playing Trump's role is to set the mood for the nation Trump's role is to raise the vibration Think of him as Erwin Rommel and the fine people of real America as the Africa corps Trump's role is to fly around in his helicopter Sending out awesome tweets And making the fine people of real America feel invincible You wouldn't expect Rommel to get down and administer policy That's micromanagement That's what failures do Trump trusts in the great entrepreneurial spirit of American business And American business trusts in the Great positive manifestation that is trump By the way karmel The Dow hit record highs today Unemployment hit record lows today How awesome is Donald After you have finished bowing before your refrigerator you should fall for your knees and give thanks that the Donald was sent from heaven As the saviour of the United States of America A man of religious significance |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 14th, 2020 at 9:02am aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:08am:
When it comes to convincing those who support Trump to vote for him, correct. When it comes to determining the best person to run the country, they and their party's policies are what is important. You're trying to again retcon what matters to fit Trump, rather than finding someone who matches what matters. It's policy-based evidence all over again. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 9:35am aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:08am:
Rommel lost, dear. And Mr Trump couldn't get into the army - bone spurs. But which awesome tweets do you mean? WIRETAPPED BY OBAMA! BAD (OR SICK) GUY! FAKE NEWS! THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE! WITCH HUNT! TREASON! Now you previously said you never read Mr Trump's tweets, but I'm curious. Can you find an example of a tweet that inspires and lifts the American consciousness? Cheers. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 14th, 2020 at 9:53am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDD44cRFRNA
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 14th, 2020 at 9:57am FD wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 9:35am:
Well this is true I have never actually read them But the Donald is just so entertaining That I'm sure he penetrates the twittersphere With raw bold powerful awesome noble masculine Unapologetic unflappable resilient strong indomitable Hilarious invincible unassailable impregnable unshakeable Unflinching gritty heroic steadfast determined stout hearted Lionhearted firm unyielding steely resolve ;) |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 14th, 2020 at 9:59am FD wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 9:35am:
He's working on it. Any minute now ... |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 14th, 2020 at 11:03am aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 9:57am:
Stop stop stop. Trump does not exude masculinity. You associate leadership with masculinity so you have to pretend that Trump is an example of masculine alpha. In reality, he's a giant man-baby, complaining and whinging like a teenage girl on twitter. There is nothing masculine about him, he's shouty yes, but he a lazy overweight slob. And you know this. I don't know why you rabbit on with this bullshit about him being strong and masculine, and I don't know what brain injury you've suffered that you'd link his lying and con artist ways as "noble". Pick what traits in a person you value and then stick to it. Stop always changing it every time you simply can no longer fool yourself or pretending Trump, someone you so desperately worship, is the embodiment of them. I and I'm sure many others remember you attacking Clinton over what you said was her dishonesty. Now you applaud Trump for lying. It's like nothing but supporting Trump matters to you. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 12:38pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 9:57am:
I see. So you believe it's a mistake to lie to the voters. Unless you're just bullshitting to the crowd (and to Congress, the senate and your fellow world leaders, etc). But it doesn't matter if you tell porkies as long as you can write awesome tweets. People shouldn't actually read them, just feel their vibe, penetrating one with raw, bold, powerful, awesome masculine EnErGy. And if the leftards seek to clarify, they're just butthurt chodes who think they're so much smarter than Mr Trump, so elitist and unfair, so old-fashioned. After all, they can't come to terms with the new paradigm, which is to enjoy being penetrated by such a masculine, impregnable bullshitartist as the Donald, cometh the man. Have I got this right, dear? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 14th, 2020 at 12:49pm FD wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 12:38pm:
At last. You are beginning to understand the new paradigm. But beware of wisdom that is unearned |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Richdude on Jan 14th, 2020 at 2:22pm FD wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 9:35am:
Sure! "Fake news"! |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 14th, 2020 at 2:34pm Richdude wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 2:22pm:
:D :D Trump has single handedly demolished the power of Washington, of the Marxist university profs, of the mainstream media and of the chattering classes. How was that even possible, How did a 71 yo guy do THAT whilst appearing to not even be trying. When karnal says he plays golf and eats fast food , that, to me, makes the story even more incredible. Imagine if Tom Brady won the Super Bowl, Wimbledon, the US PGA and the 100m gold medal and then karnal pointed out that Tom never trained, ate Big Macs and chased ho's all night. That just adds to the mystique. That adds to the legend. That is EPIC |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 14th, 2020 at 2:41pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 2:34pm:
As soon as you read that word, you know you're dealing with an ignorant buffoon who has never set foot on a university campus. Stand by for a reply along the lines of "I would never want to set foot on a university campus - I would encourage everyone to avoid them at all costs". |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:04pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 2:41pm:
16 out of 17 tenured university professors in American universities identify as to the left. Source. Jonathon Haidt... The coddling of the American mind |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:06pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:04pm:
Well, of course. Those on the left are more informed and better educated than those on the right. Duh! ::) |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:15pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:06pm:
Probably true, Lefties tend to be better educated but worse paid. It must really be frustrating to be a uni prof with a fat wife and a Prius and see some young stockbroker with a porche and a possie of babes. That could lead to bitter resentment and nihilism. You could end up feeling you were a victim . ;) Then you would become ideologically possessed with Marxist rage against the bugoirrsie |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:27pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:15pm:
Only to extremely shallow people who think that looks, money, and fame are the most important things in life. People like you, for example, and the alleged child rapist squatting in the White House. I feel genuinely sorry for people who believe that success is determined by wealth and notability. Such a wasted life. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:41pm
beats the hell out of butthurtedness and the cry baby narrative ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:42pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:41pm:
It's not a case of one or the other. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:43pm
beats the hell out of posting about donalds sex life 80,000 times ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 5:00pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 11:03am:
Now now, Sad, Aquascoot has always believed in immigration, free trade, competence, professionalism and integrity. These are the values of virtuous, grown-up righties, the "noble capitalists", the "superior man". As the beneficiaries of such values, we should bow down and worship our whitegoods, the symbol of affluent progress and prosperity. Aquascoot still believes in these things. He's just put it on hold for 5 years while he studies Mr Trump's tweets. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 5:07pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:04pm:
Exactly. 16 out of 17. Engineering, maths, science, business, law, the lot. One tiny correction though: they identified with the right. Otherwise, you're spot on, dear. 16 out of 17. 5 years is the minimum, no? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 5:16pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 2:34pm:
Well, it's probably more like Tom Brady losing the Super Bowl, Wimbledon, the US PGA and the 100m gold medal, but being given the trophy anyway. Otherwise, I could not agree more. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 5:22pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:15pm:
Not at all. The real victim in all this is Mr Trump, so sad. You need to start reading his tweets dear. 5 years. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 14th, 2020 at 6:02pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:06pm:
“There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.” Orwell explained the eyewatering stupidity of lefty les intellectueles a long time ago. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Frank on Jan 14th, 2020 at 6:17pm Frank wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 6:02pm:
Julien Benda identified and described their treasons even before Orwell. https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Treason-of-the-Intellectuals An excellent appraisal in an excellent magazine: https://newcriterion.com/issues/1992/12/the-treason-of-the-intellectuals-ldquothe-undoing-of-thoughtrdquo |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Dnarever on Jan 14th, 2020 at 7:07pm
Well we have another day and yet another different excuse for the attack.
That is above Trumps first 4 different reasons, Briefing the Senate with nothing as well as more new news. 1) the assassination of Suleimani was not the only Trump approved attempted assassination that night, there was a second failed attempt. 2) Barr and Pompao are now saying that it was done as a deterrence. 3) Trump's claim of 4 embassies has been refuted by most of the relevant office holders. It is simply untrue. 4) there is a procedure for warning Embassies and escalation of the threat. It wasn't done. Nobody thought to ward the embassies. Note: Barr and Pompeo now say that it was a deterrence and wasn't to prevent an imminent attack at all. The problem with this reasoning is that it isn't Trump's prerogative to make decisions for the other branch, The House gets to make that call. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/pompeo-barr-soleimani-strike-iran-rationale/index.html Whatever the reason for the strike we know it wasn't what the Trump team and trump has said it was. If they were telling the truth they would not need to tell a different story every day just to see if it will work. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Dnarever on Jan 14th, 2020 at 7:43pm FD wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 5:07pm:
Some interesting numbers in studies on this topic. The Left do in fact have more numbers among university lecturers. This may be more a criticism of the right than saying anything about the left. Simply put the righties do not give a bugger about educating the young. Among the highest numbers to the left from some studies was one where about 44% identified as being solidly to the left. this translated to around 90% in comparison to the something like 4% identifying as strong right supporters. The fact that the majority were close to the centre or politically uninterested went unnoticed. The highest figure I found for the left in education was one study who got 60%. (60-40). The history of politics in Universities is interesting, in the 30's - 50's to Mccarthyism Educators who were to the left would get the sack some were locked up, many campuses and lecturers had visits from the FBI. 16 out of 17 is obvious BS. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:02pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 7:43pm:
No no, it's true. Quote:
So you can see why he'd rail against leftard academics. He wants to heal the political divide. It's all in the statistic analysis. 16 out of 17. I think it's a smart move. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:07pm Frank wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 6:02pm:
How'd you find your lecturers at the prestigious University of Balogney, dear chap? I'll bet your 17th lecturer was a real brick, no? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Dnarever on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:17pm FD wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:02pm:
Did you find an explanation for the 16 out of 17 ? Or even if he really did say this ?. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:51pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:17pm:
Of course the authors didn't say it. Aquascoot's been quoting this figure for years. Mind you, the numbers keep changing. Haidt & Lukianoff published The Coddling of the American Mind in 2018. They argue that: Quote:
Aquascoot is always free to read or review his sources. He does have that choice. For now. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm
educate yourself karmal :D :D
The people who shape the minds of America’s students have long leaned left, on average. But students who entered college before 1990 could count on the fact that their professors did not all vote the same way or hold the same views on the controversial issues of the day. Students who arrived after 2005 could make no such assumption. For example, Figure 3 is from Jon Haidt’s recent post plotting new data on the policy views of social psychologists, on nine culture war issues (such as abortion and gay marriage). Figure 3: Views of 327 social psychologists, on nine culture war issues. For further details see here. Only one social psychologist, out of a sample of 327, had views that were right of center. vonhippel_figure3-1024x820.jpg (128 KB | 19
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:07pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm:
I know, dear. When I was a student, the leader of the Libs was an economics professor who drove a Ferrari. The economics professor Milton Friedman and the Chicago School were the bee's knees. Even Clinton was a fan. Even Paul Keating. Those were the good old days, no? Mind you, those professors were quite strict on referencing. They'd fail you if you provided a graph sourced only as "figure 3". Maybe there are some good things about having slack leftard professors, eh? They don't ask any pesky questions like who wrote your research? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:08pm FD wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:07pm:
;D |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:46pm FD wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:07pm:
Meh. Why would I cast pearls before swine. You are ideologically possessed , as are many intellectuals of the left. But here's the consequence. Your ideological possession lead to identity politics. Identity politics lead to tribalism " paying attention" to the marriage of tribalism and the algorhythms of social media led trump to decide 2016 was the time to strike. And the pragmatists ( who have the only correct view of the truth) would say that trump won and the lefties lost and therefore trump is " truth" and the lefties are " not truth" You fell off the path, became wilfully blind, corrupted your morals and the people decided they did not want to play your game anymore. And if the lefties want to be popular kids on the playground, they are going to have to play a game other people want to play. We will see later this year if people want to play the leftie game. At the moment, they seem to like playing the awesome game of Donald. Far more engaging and entertaining |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:50pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:46pm:
They were popular kids in 2016. 3,000,000 times more popular that the righties. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:00pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:50pm:
That was the game of Hilary. A pretty popular game. The game of Liz , the game of Bernie and the game of Sleepy Joe. Don't think people find those games engaging or entertaining |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:04pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:00pm:
The alleged child rapist seems to like that game. President Trump boasted about a poll on Thursday that he claims shows he's more popular than former President Lincoln. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:06pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:04pm:
The alleged child rapist seems to be obsessed with popularity. Trump says he could be 'most popular person in Europe’ and 'run for any office' |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:07pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm:
Where, you've provided no context or evidence? You haven't even provided a measure of what "centre" is. So many of you have dove to the right that everyone feels left of centre to you. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:26pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:07pm:
Several studies have found that the political views of academics vary considerably between different regions of the United States, and between academic disciplines. In a 2016 opinion column in The New York Times, for example, political scientist Samuel J. Abrams used HERI data to argue that the ratio of liberal to conservative faculty varied greatly between regions. According to Abrams, the ratio of liberal to conservative professors was highest in New England, where this ratio was 28:1, compared to 6:1 nationally.[34][35] Mitchell Langbert examined variations in political party registration in 2018, describing a higher concentration of Democrats in elite liberal arts institutions in the northeast, and found more Democrats among female faculty than male faculty. He also found the greatest ratio of Democrats to Republicans in interdisciplinary studies and the humanities, and the lowest ratio in professional studies and science and engineering.[37] Focusing specifically on social psychology academics, a 2014 study found that "[b]y 2006, however, the ratio of Democrats to Republicans had climbed to more than 11:1."[16] The six authors, all from different universities and members of the Heterodox Academy, also said, by 2012, "that for every politically conservative social psychologist in academia there are about 14 liberal psychologists" according to Arthur C. Brooks. Academy member[38] Steven Pinker described the study as "one of the most important papers in the recent history of the social sciences". source ....wikipedia ::) ::) ::) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_American_academics |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:42pm
So what does this tell you?
Smarter more informed people are less easily fooled by the conservative lies? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:49pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:46pm:
That's a pretty long reply, dear. Can I ask why you don't you want to provide the source of your graph? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 15th, 2020 at 4:01pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:26pm:
That's groundbreaking. 11:1? That's 10 out of 11, dear. Does that mean that in only the last 5 years, it's gone up to 17:1? Did Haidt measure the future trajectory? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by aquascoot on Jan 15th, 2020 at 4:46pm FD wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 4:01pm:
laugh if you like but its what got trump elected. lefties have taken over the humanities (whether its 11/1 or 17/1 doesnt matter much). and they are in an echo chamber (as evidenced by their horror at trump winning). and they propose policies which give them status in their leftie clique but which mortify "real" america. i saw this in the democratic candidate debates when they all put their hands up to support free health care for all illegals. that is a direct result of not having a conservative voice in the humanities to say "wait a moment". so the takeover of the humanities has directly resulted in trump and will result in him winning in 2020. it would have been better if they had some conservatives to contend with on the campus. but who wants to do that !!!! |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15th, 2020 at 4:54pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 4:46pm:
Ah, no. The electoral college is what got the alleged child rapist elected. Do you need to be reminded another 3,000,000 times? |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 15th, 2020 at 5:07pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 4:46pm:
I'm not laughing, dear, I'm curious. I'm trying to educate myself. I've asked you about Haidt and Steven Pinker and your social scientists, but you won't say. You don't want to tell me because I'm ideologically posessed - like the leftards. I swear to God, dear, I'm just trying to get to the source of this ideological possession - like you. I know you want to get to the bottom of all this too. You're into the science, dear, the facts. I think it's terrible the way these doctors and scientists and business professors are poisoning our students' minds like this. So if you could post the link to your graph, it'd be great. With your help, I'll educate myself, you'll see. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 15th, 2020 at 5:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 4:54pm:
Yes, but have you read the evidence, Greggery? 10 out of 11 of those college professors are leftards. We'll get to the bottom of this, you'll see. People are so ideologically possessed these days, it's ridiculous. |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Dnarever on Jan 15th, 2020 at 6:48pm FD wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 5:16pm:
Amusing that the numbers are reversed among warmongers ? Hardly a surprise that the right don't like education |
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Title: Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Post by Karnal on Jan 15th, 2020 at 8:01pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 6:48pm:
Yes, but you should educate yourself by reading Haidt, Dnarever. He wants to bridge the ideological divide by embracing the centre and bringing us all together. He's one of Aquascoot's favourite academics. Aquascoot reads Haidt as getting back at the leftards, but that's the benefit of education, no? 16 out of 17 tenured professors, 10 out of 11 social scientists, graphs, references, that's irrelevant. Aquascoot's a pragmatist. What matters here is the facts. The leftards are so ideologically poisoned they can't even understand simple statistics. Pathetic. |
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