The world has made the link between Australian coal, fires and climate   

January 4, 2020
Sydney Morning Herald

With our south-east coast aflame, our dead uncounted, our holiday beaches rendered into evacuation zones; with our queues for water, fuel, food and for simple escape, Australia now has the world’s attention.

In international eyes, our leaders have been found wanting not only in planning for such a catastrophe, and not just for the failure of some to match the tenacious heroism of our volunteers, but for their refusal to accept the catastrophic reality of climate change and its link with the burning of coal.   :(


A headline in The Washington Post on Friday morning Australian time bluntly captured Scott Morrison’s humiliation upon visiting Cobargo hours earlier: “Australia’s Prime Minister visited families devastated by the wildfires. It did not go well.”

In the same paper, a caption on the video footage of volunteer firefighters declining to shake the PM’s hand read: “Australians resist, shun Prime Minister amid deadly wildfires.”


At the very same time, The New York Times was reporting that “the fires have fueled anger at Australia’s Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, who has downplayed the role of global warming, opposed measures to combat climate change and rejected additional funding for firefighters. After widespread ridicule, last month he cut short a vacation during the crisis, a trip that critics said showed he did not take the disaster seriously enough.”   :(


It quoted the angry Cobargo resident who told him in front of TV cameras on Thursday, in what will surely be some of the best remembered footage of Morrison’s prime ministership: “You won’t be getting any votes down here buddy. You’re out son.”

The German broadcaster DW noted that locals had called Morrison an “idiot” and described the criticism he had received for his Christmas holiday to Hawaii.

In America, CNN carried a report that said: “Experts say climate change has worsened the scale and impact of the fires, and many have accused the Morrison administration of doing little to address the climate crisis. In December, a woman dumped the remnants of her fire-ravaged home in front of the Australian Parliament, accusing Morrison and lawmakers of failing to act.”

When he saw the footage of Morrison’s reception in Cobargo, English broadcaster Piers Morgan, normally a reliable friend to populist conservatives, tweeted “he got what he deserved ... absolutely unconscionable for a Prime Minister to holiday in Hawaii as his nation burns”.

By now, NSW Emergency Services Minister David Elliott, at the time of writing still declining to take calls as he returns from a European jaunt that began after the deaths of NSW volunteer firefighters, must feel some relief that he has no international profile.


In truth though, the world began to pay attention to the Australian conflagrations and its climate change recalcitrance even before the excruciating footage of Morrison’s visits to firegrounds leaked over the wires. On New Year’s Eve, New York Magazine published a piece about lamenting the global response to the fires that likened Morrison to Donald Trump and Jair Bolsonaro in embodying climate change denial. Two days later, The Economist noted Morrison’s “lethargic approach to climate change”.

On December 23, Al Jazeera reported: "Australia's government is resisting growing calls for a more ambitious response to climate change, even as the country battles devastating bushfires triggered by record temperatures that have sent air pollution to critical levels."

Whatever you do don't mention climate change in Australia. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it :D LOL

From 2015 and nothings changed.

"Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned.
Victoria's "failed fire management policy" is an increasing threat to human life, water supplies, property and the forest environment, David Packham said in a submission to the state's Inspector-General for Emergency Management.
And he argued that unless the annual fuel reduction burning target, currently at a minimum of 5 per cent of public land, "is doubled or preferably tripled, a massive bushfire disaster will occur. The forest and alpine environment will decay and be damaged possibly beyond repair and homes and people [will be] incinerated."
He said forest fuel levels had climbed to their most dangerous level in thousands of years. "

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bushfire-scientist-david-packham-warns-of-huge-blaze-threat-urges-increase-in-fuel-reduction-burns-20150312-14259h.html

It also applies to Queensland and NSW.

Where has the rain gone ????

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:40pm:

Where has the rain gone ????

HAARP........................?

This is  great tragedy that most if not all the alarmists will say told you so.


Quote:

"Shock and Awe a great opportunity for change." signed The oligarchy

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:40pm:

Where has the rain gone ????

Like other years it is spotty.

http://www.bom.gov.au/tmp/cc/rranom.nsw.0112.38746.png

Ajax wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:43pm:

This is  great tragedy that most if not all the alarmists will say told you so. Quote: "Shock and Awe a great opportunity for change." signed The oligarchy

what, charging up an electric vehicle from your own rooftop solar PV instead of taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser. I think I like what the "oligarchy" has got to offer much more than big oil ;)

And nobody ever fought a war over sunlight energy did they ? ;)

ahhhh the Washington Post making the best of a bad situation   who would have thought... ::) ::)

of course its all Australias fault   everyone knows that....we are the only country in the WHOLEWIDE world who sells COAL....and we are too bloody greedy to ruin our economy.....we put mens jobs ahead of the WORLD   so these fires serve us right...


good one crook....you sure do not like your country do you? >:( >:( >:(

cods wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:10pm:

ahhhh the Washington Post making the best of a bad situation   who would have thought... ::) ::) of course its all Australias fault   everyone knows that....we are the only country in the WHOLEWIDE world who sells COAL....and we are too bloody greedy to ruin our economy.....we put mens jobs ahead of the WORLD   so these fires serve us right... good one crook....you sure do not like your country do you? >:( >:( >:(

Shoot the messenger again and lets blame everything else except coal exports and Australia being the 3rd largest exporter of fossil fools :(

Nah nah it can't have anything to do with coal exports can it :( Lets find something or someone else to blame and hope that nobody notices :D LOL

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 1:47pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 12:40pm: Where has the rain gone ???? Like other years it is spotty. http://www.bom.gov.au/tmp/cc/rranom.nsw.0112.38746.png

Jeez that's a good scientific word for it isn't it. It's spotty :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:22pm:

Jeez that's a good scientific word for it isn't it. It's spotty

What would you call it petal?

Looking at the graph there are about 42 negative anomalies in the first half of the record and about 34 in the second half of the record. So the last 60 years have been wetter than the first 60 years.

http://www.bom.gov.au/tmp/cc/rranom.nsw.0112.58724.png

What a load of crap! These fires are as large as they are for two reasons - the drought and a lack of hazard reduction burning to reduce fuel loads in the bush. If we'd had a decent amount of rain 6-7 months ago, followed up with a serious campaign of burning off fuel loads, these fires would be considerably less destructive and possibly more controllable. Australia is one of the driest, most arid countries in the world. Droughts just happen. Some are worse than others. It's just a fact of life in this country. Nothing to do with global warming.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:53pm:

What a load of crap! These fires are as large as they are for two reasons - the drought and a lack of hazard reduction burning to reduce fuel loads in the bush. If we'd had a decent amount of rain 6-7 months ago, followed up with a serious campaign of burning off fuel loads, these fires would be considerably less destructive and possibly more controllable. Australia is one of the driest, most arid countries in the world. Droughts just happen. Some are worse than others. It's just a fact of life in this country. Nothing to do with global warming.

Common sense??!!!   How DARE you??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlRompc1yE

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:30pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 3:22pm: Jeez that's a good scientific word for it isn't it. It's spotty What would you call it petal? Looking at the graph there are about 42 negative anomalies in the first half of the record and about 34 in the second half of the record. So the last 60 years have been wetter than the first 60 years. http://www.bom.gov.au/tmp/cc/rranom.nsw.0112.58724.png

So you call yourself a fire fighter and want to blame back burning and fuel reduction etc.  Well according to Daniel Andrews who was asked this very question it's not as simple as that simply because the foliage build up is so dry due to climate change and drought that setting fire to it risks burning other peoples homes down which has happened in the past ! And this is one of the reasons that little back burning is able to be done. But of course being a fire fighter you should have known this which leads me to suspect that you are a class 1 bullshit artist and liberal stooge like the rest of your mates on this forum.

tomorrow scomo will announce his plan to help prevent future bushfires


it is expected that he will announce new open cut coal mines in every national park or state forest.

that'll reduce bushfires :D :D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:53pm:

What a load of crap! These fires are as large as they are for two reasons - the drought and a lack of hazard reduction burning to reduce fuel loads in the bush. If we'd had a decent amount of rain 6-7 months ago, followed up with a serious campaign of burning off fuel loads, these fires would be considerably less destructive and possibly more controllable. Australia is one of the driest, most arid countries in the world. Droughts just happen. Some are worse than others. It's just a fact of life in this country. Nothing to do with global warming.

backburning in NSW was over 2018 -19 exceeded planned backburns and was at record levels ..

where was this reduction in backburning?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:30pm:

Well according to Daniel Andrews who was asked this very question it's not as simple as that simply because the foliage build up is so dry due to climate change and drought that setting fire to it risks burning other peoples homes down which has happened in the past !

Oh noes. You use a politician as a source? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

But tell me petal why don't you like BoM's rainfall graph for NSW/ACT?

Perhaps as you like Dan so much I should include one for Victoria. ;)

http://www.bom.gov.au/tmp/cc/rranom.vic.0112.50009.png

The last 60 years are slightly drier than the first 60 years. ;)

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:40pm:

backburning in NSW was over 2018 -19 exceeded planned backburns and was at record levels ..

Got a link for that? I found something a bit different. ;)

If only we had zero emission, carbon trading, all renewable energy  - CLIMATE ACTION!!! - there would be NOTHING in these national parks to burn any more!!!!   YAY!!!!!    CLIMATE ACTION would magically remove all that flammable stuff!!!  YAY!!!!!



The religious dogmatism and messianic fervour of the climate action kids is astonishing.

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:56pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 8:30pm: Well according to Daniel Andrews who was asked this very question it's not as simple as that simply because the foliage build up is so dry due to climate change and drought that setting fire to it risks burning other peoples homes down which has happened in the past ! Oh noes. You use a politician as a source? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But tell me petal why don't you like BoM's rainfall graph for NSW/ACT? Perhaps as you like Dan so much I should include one for Victoria. ;) http://www.bom.gov.au/tmp/cc/rranom.vic.0112.50009.png The last 60 years are slightly drier than the first 60 years. ;)

So Daniel Andrews is telling lies then ? There are no homes at risk because of back-burning and climate change ??

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:12pm:

So Daniel Andrews is telling lies then ?

Dan Andrews wouldn't know if his a*se was on fire. But perhaps he is a volunteer fireman? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:12pm:

There are no homes at risk because of back-burning and climate change ??

Poor petal. There are no homes at risk from climate change. ;)

As for backburning; you have just shown your lack of knowledge. Backburning is creating a fire and burning it back towards the bushfire.

So batting nil from 3.

Want to try again? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 8:40pm: backburning in NSW was over 2018 -19 exceeded planned backburns and was at record levels .. Got a link for that? I found something a bit different. ;)

There will be no link for that lie he plucked from his ass

cods wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:10pm:

ahhhh the Washington Post making the best of a bad situation   who would have thought... ::) ::) of course its all Australias fault   everyone knows that....we are the only country in the WHOLEWIDE world who sells COAL....and we are too bloody greedy to ruin our economy.....we put mens jobs ahead of the WORLD   so these fires serve us right... good one crook....you sure do not like your country do you? >:( >:( >:(

The WP is not a credible source.

Did they really write this?

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lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 10:12pm: So Daniel Andrews is telling lies then ? Dan Andrews wouldn't know if his a*se was on fire. But perhaps he is a volunteer fireman? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 10:12pm: There are no homes at risk because of back-burning and climate change ?? Poor petal. There are no homes at risk from climate change. ;) As for backburning; you have just shown your lack of knowledge. Backburning is creating a fire and burning it back towards the bushfire. So batting nil from 3. Want to try again? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Is Daniel Andrews telling lies when he says it's not a simple matter of fuel reduction or back burning and everything will be alright ??

Yes or no will do.

Nothing entirely due to Climate Change.
Back in the 1800's the lands were more heavily forested but were still reaping the effects of Aboriginal Land Management.
Back then, conditions were far worse than recent with many regions exhibiting +50C periods. There were no Wild Fires of such magnitude that recently have seen.

It's more like Political Australia with its Burke & Wills attitude that has lead this country to a dead end, where the only answer they have to prevent such fires is to bulldoze the remaining 20% of the Australian land mass that hasn't been deforested yet.

Absolute rubbish by the weak minded Blackday who posts without comprehension as he suffers from Compulsive Posting Disorder.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:04am:

Is Daniel Andrews telling lies when he says it's not a simple matter of fuel reduction or back burning and everything will be alright ??

It is not a simple matter NOW. It was a simple matter before.

But perhaps you should post his actual comments rather than paraphrasing them. ;)

The loony Greeny lies and denies and doesn't understand all those big words as she is uneducated and not very bright.

Can someone explain how converting all current sources of energy used in Australia to 100% renewables will reduce the severity of future bushfires, given that Australia contributes about 2.5% of total CO2 emissions and the IPCC estimates that by 2050 50% of energy produced globally will be from renewables?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:28pm:

lee wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 8:58pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 8:40pm: backburning in NSW was over 2018 -19 exceeded planned backburns and was at record levels .. Got a link for that? I found something a bit different. ;) There will be no link for that lie he plucked from his ass

Here you go....


Quote:

A spokesperson for the NSW Department of Planning, Industry and Environment has told Guardian Australia that the National Parks and Wildlife Service carried out hazard reduction activities across more than 139,000ha in 2018 and 2019. The NPWS had a hazard reduction target to treat 680,000ha of parks and reserves in the five years from 2011, which the spokesperson said it had exceeded.

::) ::) ::)

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction

The fires are caused by God's punishment that people
voted for homo marriage and sodomy.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 2:04pm:

The fires are caused by God's punishment that people voted for homo marriage and sodomy.

Perhaps God is punishing those in the country who voted for the Coalition as it is their constituencies that have been decimated....God has seen the way the right wing nut jobs have destroyed his planet and decided to smite them with fire and brimstone....Or we could just admit if God exists no man can speak for it or claim to know it's intent....Do you claim you know what God is thinking mate???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 2:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 2:04pm: The fires are caused by God's punishment that people voted for homo marriage and sodomy. Perhaps God is punishing those in the country who voted for the Coalition as it is their constituencies that have been decimated....God has seen the way the right wing nut jobs have destroyed his planet and decided to smite them with fire and brimstone....Or we could just admit if God exists no man can speak for it or claim to know it's intent....Do you claim you know what God is thinking mate??? :-? :-? :-?

Dear Phil,
the answers to all your questions can found in the Bible:


Genesis 19:24        KJV

24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;



Luke 17:28-30     KJV

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


https://www.britannica.com/place/Sodom-and-Gomorrah
The exact nature of the damning wickedness of the cities has been the subject of debate.
Traditionally, Sodom and Gomorrah have been associated with homosexual acts. The mob of men that accosts the angels had demanded of Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, so that we may know them” (Genesis 19:5). This has long been interpreted as “carnal knowledge,” and many believe that it is the widespread homosexuality of the inhabitants that earns their obliteration. Other biblical references to Sodom and Gomorrah, including Jude 1:7, which mentions sexual immorality and “unnatural lust,” and the “abominable things” of Ezekiel 16:50, are seen as support for this view.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 1:49pm:

A spokesperson for the NSW Department of Planning, Industry and Environment has told Guardian Australia that the National Parks and Wildlife Service carried out hazard reduction activities across more than 139,000ha in 2018 and 2019. The NPWS had a hazard reduction target to treat 680,000ha of parks and reserves in the five years from 2011, which the spokesperson said it had exceeded.

Now we know that they had exceeded the burns in the five years from 2011 to 2016.

Elsewhere they said in 2018 they burnt 137,000 hectares. Now tell us petal how many were burnt in 2019?

The bush fires are God's punishment for the disgraced shamed and discredited repulsive Greenies in league with the DEVIL who caused the bushfires by banning the clearing of undergrowth.

juliar wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 6:17pm:

The bush fires are God's punishment for the disgraced shamed and discredited repulsive Greenies in league with the DEVIL who caused the bushfires by banning the clearing of undergrowth.

Greenies don't have any power to do anything but grovel to the two main Parties - who are to blame.