Greens policies kills 100's of millions of native animals



Greens council 'green' policies are largely responsible for 100's of millions of native animals killed in these fires.

Eastern states firestorms [being the result of many, many Greens council ban's on fuel load reduction in rural areas], has killed 100's of millions of native animals - EXPERTS CLAIM 100'S OF MILLIONS HAVE BEEN KILLED.


WWW search....
Experts Estimate 480 Million Animals Killed in Australian Fires



We get bush-fires every summer.

Historically, we have had many, many catastrophic summer bush-fires.

And yes, this one will go down as probably the very worst.

Thank you Greens.




No matter how hot the air is [in summer], a fire can not burn, if it has no fuel.

Summer fires can be manageable, with low fuel loads.

AND THAT IS      WHY     FUEL REDUCTION BURNS IN THE OFF-SEASON, SHOULD BE MANDATORY, IN RURAL AUSTRALIA !



Summer fires can be manageable, with low fuel loads.

That is why individual landholders are required by law, to ensure there are fire breaks around their property, before summer !

i.e.
SO THERE IS NO FUEL TO SPREAD A [POTENTIAL] FIRE, OVER PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.

NO FUEL TO BURN = = NO FIRE SPREAD.

Wrong again Yadda


Quote:

The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burns and backburning to reduce the impact of wildfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise. https://greens.org.au/bushfires

Not to mention that the Greens have never been in government

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good myth  ;)

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:21am:

Wrong again Yadda Quote: The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burns and backburning to reduce the impact of wildfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise. https://greens.org.au/bushfires Not to mention that the Greens have never been in government But don't let the truth get in the way of a good myth  ;)

True.

But.....

Q.
Do persons with green sympathies have majorities on many eastern states councils ?


Q.
Do many eastern states councils [dominated by political LEFTISTS] prohibit and ban [on ideological grounds] fuel load reduction burns within their jurisdictions ?


I ask, coz apparently there have been many complaints from eastern states landholders, that many local councils [stacked with 'Sea-change' and 'Tree-change' LEFTISTS] have been doing just that, for many years.

nothing to do with scomo cutting funding to NSW firies by 35%

nothing to do with global warming

nothing o do with the drought




but since you bought up the greens yadda, which councils in the fire affected regions are greenies in charge of?

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:50pm:

nothing to do with scomo cutting funding to NSW firies by 35% nothing to do with global warming nothing o do with the drought but since you bought up the greens yadda, which councils in the fire affected regions are greenies in charge of?

nothing to do with scomo cutting funding to NSW firies by 35%      COULD BE

nothing to do with global warming      NOPE - 'CLIMATE CHANGE' - YES, IT DOES

nothing o do with the drought      NOPE - AUSTRALIA HAS ALWAYS HAD DROUGHTS, SOME PARTICULARLY SEVERE




but since you bought up the greens yadda, which councils in the fire affected regions are greenies in charge of?

I encourage you to chase that info yourself.        ;)

Yadda wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:16pm:

I encourage you to chase that info yourself.        Wink

you're the one made the claim, you're the one that needs to support it. Otherwise you can run away and show the few who haven't yet figured out what a fool you, just what a fool you are.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:21am:

Wrong again Yadda Quote: The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burns and backburning to reduce the impact of wildfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise. https://greens.org.au/bushfires Not to mention that the Greens have never been in government But don't let the truth get in the way of a good myth  ;)

they have been in local govt though   and thats where they wield their whips.... ... we do not have the dams this vast country needs    because the Greens  who also win votes at election time   make a huge scene about to environment   even though now thats exactly what we need    WATER..... you cant deny that barnacle...


even though they are not in govt  they do have a certain amount of POWER.....


and thats when the real govt has to do deals... :(

cods wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:08pm:

they have been in local govt though   and thats where they wield their whips.... ... we do not have the dams this vast country needs    because the Greens  who also win votes at election time   make a huge scene about to environment  even though now thats exactly what we need    WATER..... you cant deny that barnacle... even though they are not in govt  they do have a certain amount of POWER..... and thats when the real govt has to do deals... :(

Once again you've gone way off topic cods

This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires.

As you can see he has failed miserably.
And I haven't even gone into how 3 years of drought have made it too dangerous to do fuel reduction burns during the small Autumn window.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:36am:

cods wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 11:08pm: they have been in local govt though   and thats where they wield their whips.... ... we do not have the dams this vast country needs    because the Greens  who also win votes at election time   make a huge scene about to environment  even though now thats exactly what we need    WATER..... you cant deny that barnacle... even though they are not in govt  they do have a certain amount of POWER..... and thats when the real govt has to do deals... :( Once again you've gone way off topic cods This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires. As you can see he has failed miserably. And I haven't even gone into how 3 years of drought have made it too dangerous to do fuel reduction burns during the small Autumn window.

how so????   the greens control many councils who are responsible for burning off licencing. and tree removal.....   people who need to do either or both have had an uphill battle.......as you say we have had a small window to do this type of thing.......and yet it has to go through local councils....ask any farmer or local who has a large unsafe looking tree  on their property..?.....

I dont see how that off topic?..

cods wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:11am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 9:36am: cods wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 11:08pm: they have been in local govt though   and thats where they wield their whips.... ... we do not have the dams this vast country needs    because the Greens  who also win votes at election time   make a huge scene about to environment  even though now thats exactly what we need    WATER..... you cant deny that barnacle... even though they are not in govt  they do have a certain amount of POWER..... and thats when the real govt has to do deals... :( Once again you've gone way off topic cods This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires. As you can see he has failed miserably. And I haven't even gone into how 3 years of drought have made it too dangerous to do fuel reduction burns during the small Autumn window. how so????   the greens control many councils who are responsible for burning off licencing. and tree removal.....   people who need to do either or both have had an uphill battle.......as you say we have had a small window to do this type of thing.......and yet it has to go through local councils....ask any farmer or local who has a large unsafe looking tree  on their property..?..... I dont see how that off topic?..

Can you name any Green local councilors in rural areas? I don't think you'll find any country voters voting for them.

I think you will find that most Greens in local councils are inner city.

We need more fire breaks. I've noticed since I moved to the bush that cleared land is bushfire resistant, no trees to burn, no firestorms, just a bit of grass

That doesn't mean we should clear all land, only enough to provide decent clearings to minimize fires jumping across and make it more manageable to fight fires

The fire breaks need to be wider than current laws say they've got to be though. If you've ever seen the cleared strips for electricity towers, that's what I mean

The less fires and the more isolated they are, the more the animals get a chance to survive

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:40am:

I think you will find that most Greens in local councils are inner city.

cods must be talking about the bushfires in Melbourne's docklands  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Christine Finlay has been sounding the alarm on bushfires in Australia for more than a decade after tracking the relationship ­between reduced cool burning and the frequency of firestorms. And the Queensland-based fire ­researcher, who charted a century of archival bushfire records for her PhD, has long been screaming danger.

Finlay’s thesis examined problem bushfires between 1881 and 1981. What she found after plotting the historical data on a graph was that there was a marked increase in the size and frequency of fires after 1919. This was when bushfire-reduction operations increasingly moved away from traditional indigenous practices such as low-­intensity cool burning.

Finlay says this ­detailed correlation between the accumulation of catastrophic fuel loads and the frequency of extreme bushfires made it possible to forecast the dramatic increase in firestorms we have seen in the 21st century.

“For years, I energetically sent this predictive model to government agencies, in particular bushfire services, the media, coronial and parliamentary inquiries and so on,” she says. “Horribly ­ignored, it proved horribly accurate.”

Finlay has the support of forester Vic Jurskis, who has written a book on fire stick ecology and how indigenous Australians managed the landscape with fire.

In an open letter to the Prime Minister, premiers, chief ministers and opposition leaders in November, Jurskis said this season’s ­bushfire situation was neither ­unprecedented nor unexpected.

“This latest holocaust is a direct consequence of unprecedented accumulation of 3D continuous fuels as a result of green influence on politics,” Jurskis says. “It’s all about fuel, not climate.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/firestorms-follow-move-away-from-cool-burning/news-story/9e0b6bc2cee5851d56dbedaafa7ce26e

The Greens' policy of locking up national parks is the direct cause of every one of these catastrophic bush fires. Every single one occurs in national parks and spreads to villages and towns on the edge of those parks.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:36am:

This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires.

"Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned.
Victoria's "failed fire management policy" is an increasing threat to human life, water supplies, property and the forest environment, David Packham said in a submission to the state's Inspector-General for Emergency Management.
And he argued that unless the annual fuel reduction burning target, currently at a minimum of 5 per cent of public land, "is doubled or preferably tripled, a massive bushfire disaster will occur. The forest and alpine environment will decay and be damaged possibly beyond repair and homes and people [will be] incinerated."
He said forest fuel levels had climbed to their most dangerous level in thousands of years."

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bushfire-scientist-david-packham-warns-of-huge-blaze-threat-urges-increase-in-fuel-reduction-burns-20150312-14259h.html

From 2015 but nothings changed. It also applies to NSW and Qld.

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:13pm:

Finlay’s thesis examined problem bushfires between 1881 and 1981. What she found after plotting the historical data on a graph was that there was a marked increase in the size and frequency of fires after 1919. This was when bushfire-reduction operations increasingly moved away from traditional indigenous practices such as low-­intensity cool burning.

No surprise that this came from the Murdoch press
You do realise that Australia's population in 1919 was just 5 million. The fires weren't as dangerous because there were fewer people. There weren't 5,000 people holidaying at Malacoota for a start.

What this paragragh is basicly saying is that prior to 1919 indigenous land practices dominated because there were so few white people. After 1919 European land practices took over because of increasing European population. The Murdoch press have just put there own spin on it.



Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:13pm:

“This latest holocaust is a direct consequence of unprecedented accumulation of 3D continuous fuels as a result of green influence on politics,” Jurskis says. “It’s all about fuel, not climate.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/firestorms-follow-move-away-from-cool-burning/news-story/9e0b6bc2cee5851d56dbedaafa7ce26e The Greens' policy of locking up national parks is the direct cause of every one of these catastrophic bush fires. Every single one occurs in national parks and spreads to villages and towns on the edge of those parks.

How many times do we need to explain that the Greens have never been in Government

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:40pm:

No surprise that this came from the Murdoch press You do realise that Australia's population in 1919 was just 5 million. The fires weren't as dangerous because there were fewer people. There weren't 5,000 people holidaying at Malacoota for a start.

The topic is about native animals

The size of the human population has little consequence as to the number and size of bushfires starting naturally

But as Frank's post said: "Finlay’s thesis examined problem bushfires between 1881 and 1981. What she found after plotting the historical data on a graph was that there was a marked increase in the size and frequency of fires after 1919.This was when bushfire-reduction operations increasingly moved away from traditional indigenous practices such as low-­intensity cool burning."

Even 5 million people in 1919 were enough for danger to increase. Aboriginal burn-off methods were ignored apparently

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:37pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 9:36am: This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires. "Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned. Victoria's "failed fire management policy" is an increasing threat to human life, water supplies, property and the forest environment, David Packham said in a submission to the state's Inspector-General for Emergency Management. And he argued that unless the annual fuel reduction burning target, currently at a minimum of 5 per cent of public land, "is doubled or preferably tripled, a massive bushfire disaster will occur. The forest and alpine environment will decay and be damaged possibly beyond repair and homes and people [will be] incinerated." He said forest fuel levels had climbed to their most dangerous level in thousands of years." https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bushfire-scientist-david-packham-warns-of-huge-blaze-threat-urges-increase-in-fuel-reduction-burns-20150312-14259h.html From 2015 but nothings changed. It also applies to NSW and Qld.

green ideology is not the green partys policies you fool ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:40pm:

green ideology is not the green partys policies you fool

Poor petal so little reading ability in one headspace.


Yadda wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:49am:

Greens council 'green' policies are largely responsible for 100's of millions of native animals killed in these fires. Eastern states firestorms [being the result of many, many Greens council ban's on fuel load reduction in rural areas], has killed 100's of millions of native animals - EXPERTS CLAIM 100'S OF MILLIONS HAVE BEEN KILLED.

Nothing there about the "Greens Party".  ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 2:40pm: green ideology is not the green partys policies you fool Poor petal so little reading ability in one headspace. Yadda wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 10:49am: Greens council 'green' policies are largely responsible for 100's of millions of native animals killed in these fires. Eastern states firestorms [being the result of many, many Greens council ban's on fuel load reduction in rural areas], has killed 100's of millions of native animals - EXPERTS CLAIM 100'S OF MILLIONS HAVE BEEN KILLED. Nothing there about the "Greens Party".  ;D ;D ;D ;D

which councils are green?

Spot

a disaster on Kangaroo Island.... where can they run???...

animals have better instincts than we humans    and many of them would have headed away from the fires long before now...fingers crossed they made it...

a lot of our small towns on the coast  were full of holiday makers.... no matter whats ahead they still go on holiday... ::) ::) ::)


makes sense to some.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:55pm:

which councils are green?

I am too far away from the east coast. try somewhere closer to home. ;)

btw isnt it futile to look for somewhere to plant the blame????   it doesnt save one life....

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:05pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 2:55pm: which councils are green? I am too far away from the east coast. try somewhere closer to home. ;)

As far as i know NONE - obviously as far as you know too

Spot

cods wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:06pm:

btw isnt it futile to look for somewhere to plant the blame????   it doesnt save one life....

Past and present governments haven't done enough cods. Everyone knows that deadly fires have taken lives and homes in the past.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:13pm:

As far as i know NONE - obviously as far as you know too

Sorry. I can only go on the former CSIRO scientist. Perhaps that is the post to which you should have responded. ;)

"Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned."

perhaps you can refute him? ;)

Black Thursday bushfires

The Black Thursday bushfires were a devastating series of fires that swept the state of Victoria, Australia, on 6 February 1851. Twelve human lives were lost, along with one million sheep, thousands of cattle and countless native animals.

"The temperature became torrid, and on the morning of the 6th of February 1851, the air which blew down from the north resembled the breath of a furnace. A fierce wind arose, gathering strength and velocity from hour to hour, until about noon it blew with the violence of a tornado. By some inexplicable means it wrapped the whole country in a sheet of flame — fierce, awful, and irresistible."

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:36pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 3:13pm: As far as i know NONE - obviously as far as you know too Sorry. I can only go on the former CSIRO scientist. Perhaps that is the post to which you should have responded. ;) "Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned." perhaps you can refute him? ;)

Well it's his opinion and it was an opinion he had 5 years ago.

Perhaps he would like to explain how fuel reduction burns can be safely carried out after 3 years of drought.
The armchair experts on this forum haven't explained.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:46pm:

Perhaps he would like to explain how fuel reduction burns can be safely carried out after 3 years of drought.

It is called patchwork burning for a reason petal.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:16pm:

cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 3:06pm: btw isnt it futile to look for somewhere to plant the blame????   it doesnt save one life.... Past and present governments haven't done enough cods. Everyone knows that deadly fires have taken lives and homes in the past.

thats for sure... we should be leaders in the world under these conditions....all we can hope for is this govt learns from this.... we need to be ahead of firestorms  not behind them...

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:52pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 3:46pm: Perhaps he would like to explain how fuel reduction burns can be safely carried out after 3 years of drought. It is called patchwork burning for a reason petal.

Which doesn't answer the question (as usual)

Many fuel reduction burns escape and become dangerous bushfires
The window when they can be safely done is just a few weeks in Autumn

Fuel reduction burns arn't the silver bullet that conservative commentators like to think  ;)

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 2:40pm: green ideology is not the green partys policies you fool Poor petal so little reading ability in one headspace. Yadda wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 10:49am: Greens council 'green' policies are largely responsible for 100's of millions of native animals killed in these fires. Eastern states firestorms [being the result of many, many Greens council ban's on fuel load reduction in rural areas], has killed 100's of millions of native animals - EXPERTS CLAIM 100'S OF MILLIONS HAVE BEEN KILLED. Nothing there about the "Greens Party".  ;D ;D ;D ;D

speaking of little ability......what i said was that there was no mention of the greens party in your post, not in yaddas rant. Once you quit back peddling, try and address that

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:03pm:

..what i said was that there was no mention of the greens party in your post, not in yaddas rant. Once you quit back peddling, try and address that

Why didn't I mention the greens party? Why should I mention them petal?

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 4:03pm: ..what i said was that there was no mention of the greens party in your post, not in yaddas rant. Once you quit back peddling, try and address that Why didn't I mention the greens party? Why should I mention them petal?

and you have the hide to question others ability to understand :D :D :D

the quote you supplied in your post you moron, it didn't mention greens policy. :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:27pm:

and you have the hide to question others ability to understand

Yes petal. because you are extremely limited. ;)


John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:27pm:

the quote you supplied in your post you moron, it didn't mention greens policy.

And?


lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:37pm:

The_Barnacle wrote Today at 7:36am: This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires.

Perhaps you meant this? But yadda didn't mention the Green's Party as I already pointed out petal. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:59pm:

Many fuel reduction burns escape and become dangerous bushfires The window when they can be safely done is just a few weeks in Autumn

Some reduction burns escape. Few become dangerous bushfires. There fixed it for you.

Fuel reduction burns can be done at any time the understorey is dry enough. Eucalypts provide a good source of oils. ;)

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:59pm:

lee wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 3:52pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 3:46pm: Perhaps he would like to explain how fuel reduction burns can be safely carried out after 3 years of drought. It is called patchwork burning for a reason petal. Which doesn't answer the question (as usual) Many fuel reduction burns escape and become dangerous bushfires The window when they can be safely done is just a few weeks in Autumn Fuel reduction burns arn't the silver bullet that conservative commentators like to think  ;)

Well, a reduction in the fuel load would have been beneficial.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:59pm:

lee wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 3:52pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 3:46pm: Perhaps he would like to explain how fuel reduction burns can be safely carried out after 3 years of drought. It is called patchwork burning for a reason petal. Which doesn't answer the question (as usual) Many fuel reduction burns escape and become dangerous bushfires The window when they can be safely done is just a few weeks in Autumn Fuel reduction burns arn't the silver bullet that conservative commentators like to think  ;)

Yeah, right.  If only we had zero emission, carbon trading, all renewable energy - there would be NOTHING in these areas to burn any more!!!!   YAY!!!!!    CLIMATE ACTION would magically remove all that flammable stuff!!!  YAY!!!!!



The religious dogmatism and messianic fervour of the climate action kids is astonishing.

The NSw parks services had already exceeded the amount of backburning planned until the end of 2019. Backburning isat the highest levels in decades


Bradstock says: “In New South Wales, hazard reduction work is governed by policies that are set by coordinating committee chaired by the Rural Fire Service. They bring together all players – with representatives from farmers, environment groups and governments.

“Hazard reduction work has increased because of increased funding to the RFS and to national parks. There has been more carried out in recent years than in previous decades.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction


so I'll ask again despite no one answering previously, where are these green council in the fire zones that reduced backburning?

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 4:27pm: and you have the hide to question others ability to understand Yes petal. because you are extremely limited. ;) John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 4:27pm: the quote you supplied in your post you moron, it didn't mention greens policy. And? lee wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 12:37pm: The_Barnacle wrote Today at 7:36am: This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires. Perhaps you meant this? But yadda didn't mention the Green's Party as I already pointed out petal. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

no, i meant this, which was the quote you supplied


lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:37pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 9:36am: This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires. "Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned. Victoria's "failed fire management policy" is an increasing threat to human life, water supplies, property and the forest environment, David Packham said in a submission to the state's Inspector-General for Emergency Management. And he argued that unless the annual fuel reduction burning target, currently at a minimum of 5 per cent of public land, "is doubled or preferably tripled, a massive bushfire disaster will occur. The forest and alpine environment will decay and be damaged possibly beyond repair and homes and people [will be] incinerated." He said forest fuel levels had climbed to their most dangerous level in thousands of years." https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bushfire-scientist-david-packham-warns-of-huge-blaze-threat-urges-increase-in-fuel-reduction-burns-20150312-14259h.html From 2015 but nothings changed. It also applies to NSW and Qld.

can you show the greens policies outlined there?

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

The NSw parks services had already exceeded the amount of backburning planned until the end of 2019. Backburning isat the highest levels in decades Bradstock says: “In New South Wales, hazard reduction work is governed by policies that are set by coordinating committee chaired by the Rural Fire Service. They bring together all players – with representatives from farmers, environment groups and governments. “Hazard reduction work has increased because of increased funding to the RFS and to national parks. There has been more carried out in recent years than in previous decades.” https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction so I'll ask again despite no one answering previously, where are these green council in the fire zones that reduced backburning?

It's the green ideology everyone is genuflecting to.

Preserving 'wilderness' is a green ideology.

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:07pm:

can you show the greens policies outlined there?

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:07pm:

have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology"

::)


What don't you understand petal? You do understand green is not necessarily about the Greens Party??  ::)

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

The NSw parks services had already exceeded the amount of backburning planned until the end of 2019. Backburning isat the highest levels in decades

"We exceeded it and burnt 137,000 hectares of national parks [last year]."  2018

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/as-fires-rage-coalition-at-loggerheads-over-hazard-reduction-20191113-p53ada.html

"A spokesperson for the NSW Department of Planning, Industry and Environment has told Guardian Australia that the National Parks and Wildlife Service carried out hazard reduction activities across more than 139,000ha in 2018 and 2019."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction

So about 2,000 hectares in 2019.

Unless you have other data.

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 6:05pm: The NSw parks services had already exceeded the amount of backburning planned until the end of 2019. Backburning isat the highest levels in decades "We exceeded it and burnt 137,000 hectares of national parks [last year]."  2018 https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/as-fires-rage-coalition-at-loggerheads-over-hazard-reduction-20191113-p53ada.html "A spokesperson for the NSW Department of Planning, Industry and Environment has told Guardian Australia that the National Parks and Wildlife Service carried out hazard reduction activities across more than 139,000ha in 2018 and 2019." https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction So about 2,000 hectares in 2019. Unless you have other data.

did you even read the link you dickhead?

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 6:07pm: can you show the greens policies outlined there? John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 6:07pm: have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology" ::) What don't you understand petal? You do understand green is not necessarily about the Greens Party??  ::)

yes, i do, and until i pointed it out to you, you didn't.:D :D :D

Before you pretend you did, you put it up as some sort of counter to the Barnacles comment to Yadda about attempting to blame the greens. How is your quote relevant to what he said if it's not about the greens party?  :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:28pm:

yes, i do, and until i pointed it out to you, you didn't.

poor petal. And yet it was you asked me about the Greens party. To which, twice, I answered there was nothing there about the Greens Party. Did it take the second time to finally sink in? ;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:28pm:

Before you pretend you did, you put it up as some sort of counter to the Barnacles comment to Yadda about attempting to blame the greens.

Because Barney was as usual, wrong. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:28pm:

How is your quote relevant to what he said if it's not about the greens party?

Because it wasn't about the Greens Party. Oh dear Now it is three times and it still hasn't sunken in. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:01pm:

Because it wasn't about the Greens Party. Oh dear Now it is three times and it still hasn't sunken in. Grin

but Barnacles comment, which you quoted it in reply to, was.... why would you reply with your quote if it's not relevant to the greens party?

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:05pm:

but Barnacles comment, which you quoted it in reply to, was....

And as I said Barney was wrong, as usual. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 8:05pm: but Barnacles comment, which you quoted it in reply to, was.... And as I said Barney was wrong, as usual. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

firstly, your link didn't prove that and

secondly why was he wrong? the libs haven't stopped blaming the greens.

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:21pm:

lee wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 7:17pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 6:05pm: The NSw parks services had already exceeded the amount of backburning planned until the end of 2019. Backburning isat the highest levels in decades "We exceeded it and burnt 137,000 hectares of national parks [last year]."  2018 https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/as-fires-rage-coalition-at-loggerheads-over-hazard-reduction-20191113-p53ada.html "A spokesperson for the NSW Department of Planning, Industry and Environment has told Guardian Australia that the National Parks and Wildlife Service carried out hazard reduction activities across more than 139,000ha in 2018 and 2019." https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction So about 2,000 hectares in 2019. Unless you have other data. did you even read the link you dickhead?

John - why are you posting here when you're banned?

From here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1577787562/60#67


Quote:

Smith - your time has expired. You are banned for 1 week - you may return on the 8th of January 2020. A PM has been sent to you and a moderator. regards Bobby.

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:29pm:

firstly, your link didn't prove that and

Take 4. ;)

"have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology" "

What part of

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:29pm:

secondly why was he wrong? the libs haven't stopped blaming the greens.

Now you are using the Greens as party. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:21pm:

did you even read the link you dickhead?

I read both Petal. You?

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:02pm:

Take 4. Wink "have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology" "

that's the writer showing his ideology rather than talking about specific green party policies. Try again

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 8:29pm: firstly, your link didn't prove that and Take 4. ;) "have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology" " What part of John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 8:29pm: secondly why was he wrong? the libs haven't stopped blaming the greens. Now you are using the Greens as party. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

because the libs are blaming the greens party you moron.

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:18pm:

lee wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 9:02pm: Take 4. Wink "have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology" " that's the writer showing his ideology rather than talking about specific green party policies. Try again

John - why are you posting here when you're banned?

Stop posting now.

A Gmod has been PMed.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 9:18pm: lee wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 9:02pm: Take 4. Wink "have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology" " that's the writer showing his ideology rather than talking about specific green party policies. Try again John - why are you posting here when you're banned? Stop posting now. A Gmod has been PMed.

sorry, didn't realise it was environment. Seeya goober

If only we had zero emission, carbon trading, all renewable energy CLIMATE ACTION!!! - there would be NOTHING in these areas to burn any more!!!!   YAY!!!!!    CLIMATE ACTION would magically remove all that flammable stuff!!!  YAY!!!!!



The religious dogmatism and messianic fervour of the climate action kids is astonishing.

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:01pm:

If only we had zero emission, carbon trading, all renewable energy CLIMATE ACTION!!! - there would be NOTHING in these areas to burn any more!!!!   YAY!!!!!    CLIMATE ACTION would magically remove all that flammable stuff!!!  YAY!!!!! The religious dogmatism and messianic fervour of the climate action kids is astonishing.

It's those bloody gum trees.
They explode when they are lit.
The leaves fall off them and cover the ground with explosive litter.

Maybe we should plant other trees but would they survive in our super hot conditions?

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:22pm:

sorry, didn't realise it was environment. Seeya goober

It's becuz johnny lurves me. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:09pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 10:01pm: If only we had zero emission, carbon trading, all renewable energy CLIMATE ACTION!!! - there would be NOTHING in these areas to burn any more!!!!   YAY!!!!!    CLIMATE ACTION would magically remove all that flammable stuff!!!  YAY!!!!! The religious dogmatism and messianic fervour of the climate action kids is astonishing. It's those bloody gum trees. They explode when they are lit. The leaves fall off them and cover the ground with explosive litter. Maybe we should plant other trees but would they survive in our super hot conditions?

sometimes bobby    I am astounded by your comments.....how about we move the globe so the sun doesnt scorch  our sunburnt ground..


strewth!!!!!!

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 6:21am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 10:09pm: Frank wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 10:01pm: If only we had zero emission, carbon trading, all renewable energy CLIMATE ACTION!!! - there would be NOTHING in these areas to burn any more!!!!   YAY!!!!!    CLIMATE ACTION would magically remove all that flammable stuff!!!  YAY!!!!! The religious dogmatism and messianic fervour of the climate action kids is astonishing. It's those bloody gum trees. They explode when they are lit. The leaves fall off them and cover the ground with explosive litter. Maybe we should plant other trees but would they survive in our super hot conditions? sometimes bobby    I am astounded by your comments.....how about we move the globe so the sun doesnt scorch  our sunburnt ground.. strewth!!!!!!

But I'm correct.
We have a particular type of tree that doesn't burn - it explodes.

Yadda wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:49am:

Greens policies kills 100's of millions of native animals

Could someone provide a link to these policies please?

Oh, hang on - I found something.

"Our policy on this is clear and hasn't changed recently. The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burning (before bushfire season) to reduce the impact of bushfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise."

https://greens.org.au/policies/environmental-principles

"An effective and sustainable strategy for fuel-reduction management that will protect biodiversity and moderate the effects of wildfire for the protection of people and assets, developed in consultation with experts, custodians and land managers."

The fires are caused by God's punishment that people
voted for homo marriage and sodomy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 2:05pm:

Could someone provide a link to these policies please?

Another who presupposes that Greens means the Greens Party. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 2:07pm:

The fires are caused by God's punishment that people voted for homo marriage and sodomy.

STREWTH!   bobs why do you keep making an idiot of yourself.???

Jeremy Clarkson got a hiding for saying something like that.... dont you learn from anyone?.


why blame God for goodness sakes... what he done to you?

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 2:07pm: The fires are caused by God's punishment that people voted for homo marriage and sodomy. STREWTH!   bobs why do you keep making an idiot of yourself.??? Jeremy Clarkson got a hiding for saying something like that.... dont you learn from anyone?. why blame God for goodness sakes... what he done to you?

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2019-05/17/2/campaign_images/buzzfeed-prod-web-03/a-rugby-player-has-been-sacked-over-an-instagram--2-27428-1558073451-0_dblbig.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 2:05pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 10:49am: Greens policies kills 100's of millions of native animals Could someone provide a link to these policies please? Oh, hang on - I found something. "Our policy on this is clear and hasn't changed recently. The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burning (before bushfire season) to reduce the impact of bushfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise." https://greens.org.au/policies/environmental-principles "An effective and sustainable strategy for fuel-reduction management that will protect biodiversity and moderate the effects of wildfire for the protection of people and assets, developed in consultation with experts, custodians and land managers."

Principles

The Greens NSW believe that:

1.    As intact natural resources, New South Wales’s current National Parks (NP) and Nature Reserves (NR) and other lands protected under the National Parks & Wildlife (NPW) Act are precious environmental jewels, but they do not protect the full range of biological diversity natural heritage and ecosystem processes;

2.    Major additions are required to the parks and conservation system if the network of protected areas is to achieve the survival of significant components of the state's natural heritage and biodiversity. Current land management practices are destroying large tracts of native vegetation and associated habitats for native fauna;

3.    A comprehensive conservation assessment process is required to identify all areas that would require reservation and protection in order to meet the objective of a 'comprehensive, adequate and representative' reserve system. Such an assessment must employ proper consultation with Indigenous Australians and other key stakeholders, public participation, and scientifically valid and publicly accepted methodologies;

4.    The management of our protected areas is often confused because of the failure to recognise and resolve such competing interests as nature conservation, heritage of Indigenous Australians, historic heritage, and recreation and tourism. The National Parks and Wildlife Service (NPWS) should focus its attention on its principal role as a nature conservation agency under the principles of ecologically sustainable development, which will have elements of heritage of Indigenous Australians and historic heritage as well as recreational/tourist opportunities;

5.    The rights of Indigenous Australians and their unique role in developing appropriate ecological management systems for National Parks must be recognised.

https://greens.org.au/nsw/policies/national-parks-and-wilderness

Someone made sure the Wollemi Pines were safe ... they can protect things when they want to


'Dinosaur tree' Wollemi pines safe for now as Blue Mountains bushfires continue to burn

ABC Central West
By Luke Wong
Posted 5 Dec 2019, 7:29am

The National Parks Wildlife Service "has measures in place to protect the Wollemi pines from fire and they are okay"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-05/wollemi-pine-trees-national-park-fires-blue-mountains/11763420

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 7:42pm:

Someone made sure the Wollemi Pines were safe ... they can protect things when they want to 'Dinosaur tree' Wollemi pines safe for now as Blue Mountains bushfires continue to burn ABC Central West By Luke Wong Posted 5 Dec 2019, 7:29am The National Parks Wildlife Service "has measures in place to protect the Wollemi pines from fire and they are okay" https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-05/wollemi-pine-trees-national-park-fires-blue-mountains/11763420

Yep great job by the RFS and NPWS. BUt frankly what a surprise Yadda starts a thread like this.


I also noticed that the people I know who started this BS online, were the types who would never set foot in a NP in their life, so have no idea about what conditions are like in them

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 28^th, 2020 at 9:22am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 7:42pm: Someone made sure the Wollemi Pines were safe ... they can protect things when they want to 'Dinosaur tree' Wollemi pines safe for now as Blue Mountains bushfires continue to burn ABC Central West By Luke Wong Posted 5 Dec 2019, 7:29am The National Parks Wildlife Service "has measures in place to protect the Wollemi pines from fire and they are okay" https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-05/wollemi-pine-trees-national-park-fires-blue-mountains/11763420 Yep great job by the RFS and NPWS. BUt frankly what a surprise Yadda starts a thread like this. I also noticed that the people I know who started this BS online, were the types who would never set foot in a NP in their life, so have no idea about what conditions are like in them

Just got back from my MB ride in forest.

I look out of my window, and there it is,    ...state forest.

I live, in the middle of state forest.

Yadda wrote on Jan 28^th, 2020 at 9:50am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 28th, 2020 at 9:22am: Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 7:42pm: Someone made sure the Wollemi Pines were safe ... they can protect things when they want to 'Dinosaur tree' Wollemi pines safe for now as Blue Mountains bushfires continue to burn ABC Central West By Luke Wong Posted 5 Dec 2019, 7:29am The National Parks Wildlife Service "has measures in place to protect the Wollemi pines from fire and they are okay" https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-05/wollemi-pine-trees-national-park-fires-blue-mountains/11763420 Yep great job by the RFS and NPWS. BUt frankly what a surprise Yadda starts a thread like this. I also noticed that the people I know who started this BS online, were the types who would never set foot in a NP in their life, so have no idea about what conditions are like in them Just got back from my MB ride in forest. I look out of my window, and there it is,    ...state forest. I live, in the middle of state forest.

Lol, sure.

First line gives it away.