Those from the climate change religion say we should listen to the scientists.


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Fires not due to climate change: expert Linking NSW's bushfires to climate change is 'nonsense', a leading expert says. Linking the bushfire disaster in NSW to climate change is "an absolute nonsense" and reducing fuel loads in the Australian bush is urgently needed, a leading scientist says. Retired Monash University researcher David Packham says global warming is a gradual process which doesn't explain major bushfires. Greens deputy leader Adam Bandt has been accused of playing politics by linking the NSW bushfires to the new federal government's climate change policies. But Mr Packham says there is no link. "It's an absolute nonsense," he told AAP. Mr Packham has previously accused "latte conservationists" of having too much influence on forest management. He says fuel loads are now the heaviest they have been since human occupation of the continent and Aboriginal methods need to be adopted. Flying over the Blue Mountains in recent years had been "frightening", he said. "There's been this determination over the last 10 to 20 years to not treat our country in the same way the indigenous people treated it for 30,000 years," Mr Packham said. Mr Packham called for an end to playing politics with bushfires and instead called for leadership based on scientific evidence. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/fires-not-due-to-climate-change-expert

Those from the climate change religion ignore the scientists who go against the narrative the climate change religion is trying to construct.

Do skeptics ever feel guilty that they may be wrong, and their only real contribution to society is smacking up our planet? At least if science is wrong it just costs money.

coca cola nestle and adani have a lot to answer for. Taking our ground water and causing everything to be dry and burnable.

Spot

Pho Huc wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 1:22pm:

Do skeptics ever feel guilty that they may be wrong, and their only real contribution to society is smacking up our planet?

So you don't believe the scientists? Who knew? ;D ;D ;D ;D


Pho Huc wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 1:22pm:

At least if science is wrong it just costs money.

And that money couldn't be put to better use. /sarc

Reliable electricity supplies to those countries that have millions of deaths from cooking over dung fires etc?

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"latte conservationists" of having too much influence on forest management. fuel loads are now the heaviest they have been since human occupation of the continent

That's it in a nutshell.

Maniacal green left bureaucratism is responsible for: human deaths, animal torture and slaughter on an unimaginable scale, torching hundreds of homes, destroying millions of hectares of our native flora.

When will the people wake up?

The Media consciousness has just let rip via the Golden Globes recently that it is "Due to Climate Change".
Now there's a big statement from the Entertainment Industry.

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 2:23pm:

The Media consciousness has just let rip via the Golden Globes recently that it is "Due to Climate Change". Now there's a big statement from the Entertainment Industry.

Trash talking up more trash

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 2:23pm:

The Media consciousness has just let rip via the Golden Globes recently that it is "Due to Climate Change". Now there's a big statement from the Entertainment Industry.

I'm a Celebrity get my name out there. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

PZ547 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 2:28pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 2:23pm: The Media consciousness has just let rip via the Golden Globes recently that it is "Due to Climate Change". Now there's a big statement from the Entertainment Industry. Trash talking up more trash

Yes. Considering these Fires were 'self inflicted' by poor Land Management by the same 'mentality' that provided poor Water Management as we have seen recently.
For the likes of Foreign Celebrities to come out and say its 'Climate Change' is a very slender branch to walk out on.

Why couldn't they say "Poor Governmental Management of Australia" instead?

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 2:36pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 2:28pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 2:23pm: The Media consciousness has just let rip via the Golden Globes recently that it is "Due to Climate Change". Now there's a big statement from the Entertainment Industry. Trash talking up more trash Yes. Considering these Fires were 'self inflicted' by poor Land Management by the same 'mentality' that provided poor Water Management as we have seen recently. For the likes of Foreign Celebrities to come out and say its 'Climate Change' is a very slender branch to walk out on. Why couldn't they say "Poor Governmental Management of this Country" instead?

Lot more to the bushfires than that

but I agree with your sentiments generally

Why has this become an either/ or question? Climate change & bad land management are only two of the many contributing factors.

moses wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 2:20pm:

Quote: "latte conservationists" of having too much influence on forest management. fuel loads are now the heaviest they have been since human occupation of the continent That's it in a nutshell. Maniacal green left bureaucratism is responsible for: human deaths, animal torture and slaughter on an unimaginable scale, torching hundreds of homes, destroying millions of hectares of our native flora. When will the people wake up?

Since when did the Greens/left manage to control the bureaucracy?
I must have missed something shifting in Canberra.

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 3:19pm:

moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 2:20pm: Quote: "latte conservationists" of having too much influence on forest management. fuel loads are now the heaviest they have been since human occupation of the continent That's it in a nutshell. Maniacal green left bureaucratism is responsible for: human deaths, animal torture and slaughter on an unimaginable scale, torching hundreds of homes, destroying millions of hectares of our native flora. When will the people wake up? Since when did the Greens/left manage to control the bureaucracy? I must have missed something shifting in Canberra.

Oh, that's just moses.

He's special, if you know what I mean   ;)

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 3:19pm:

Since when did the Greens/left manage to control the bureaucracy?

You do understand the Greens policy of wanting a quid pro quo to pass legislation?

And of course do not confuse Greens with the Greens Party.

From The Conversation s it must be true -

"As monstrous blazes overwhelm Australia’s south-east, the need for a national bushfire policy has never been more urgent. Active land management such as hazard-reduction burning and forest thinning must lie at the core of any such policy.

Done well, controlled burning limits a bushfire’s spread and makes suppression easier, by reducing the amount of flammable material. Clearing or thinning vegetation on roadsides and other areas also helps maintain fuel breaks, allowing firefighters access to forests in an emergency.

As former fire chiefs recently pointed out, of all factors driving a fire’s severity – temperature, wind speed, topography, fuel moisture and fuel load – fuel load is the only one humans can influence. "

https://theconversation.com/theres-only-one-way-to-make-bushfires-less-powerful-take-out-the-stuff-that-burns-129323

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 3:16pm:

Why has this become an either/ or question? Climate change & bad land management are only two of the many contributing factors.

David Packham, ex-CSIRO fire scientist would disagree with you about the climate aspect.

"As former State Fire Chiefs call for a summit on bushfires, expert and scientist David Packham explains that it has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with fuel-loads."

https://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/scientist-david-packham-on-whats-really-causing-the-bushfires

Ayn Marx wrote:

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Since when did the Greens/left manage to control the bureaucracy? I must have missed something shifting in Canberra.

Canberra has not got a lot to do with state controlled *vegetation, land and water management*.

We apply to the various state authorities for permits to: clear land,  burn off, build a dam, sink a bore,erect a building, etc., the draconian rules and regulations that we have to navigate each time we want to do some improvements or maintenance on our land, reek of dictatorial left-wing green thinking.

It's as simple as that, we are not allowed to control our own land and work practices, if we do not concede to the stupid rules and regulations we are prosecuted.

Right now because of these stupid green left rules and regulations, the country is alight, animals have been tortured and slaughtered by the tens of thousand, homes have been burnt to the ground, people have been murdered, millions of hectares of flora have been totally destroyed.

The green left alliance has a lot to answer for.   

I was an early Greens voter from way back before and up until the Gordon below Franklin era.
The original Greens effort was due to 80% of Australia being deforested.
Since then, they have become a sub-ALP branch (like the Democrats are now a sub-NLP branch) and their approach has been somewhat dissapointing in how they have gone about their agendas.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 4:22pm:

Those from the climate change religion say we should listen to the scientists. Quote: Fires not due to climate change: expert Linking NSW's bushfires to climate change is 'nonsense', a leading expert says. Linking the bushfire disaster in NSW to climate change is "an absolute nonsense" and reducing fuel loads in the Australian bush is urgently needed, a leading scientist says. Retired Monash University researcher David Packham says global warming is a gradual process which doesn't explain major bushfires. Greens deputy leader Adam Bandt has been accused of playing politics by linking the NSW bushfires to the new federal government's climate change policies. But Mr Packham says there is no link. "It's an absolute nonsense," he told AAP. Mr Packham has previously accused "latte conservationists" of having too much influence on forest management. He says fuel loads are now the heaviest they have been since human occupation of the continent and Aboriginal methods need to be adopted. Flying over the Blue Mountains in recent years had been "frightening", he said. "There's been this determination over the last 10 to 20 years to not treat our country in the same way the indigenous people treated it for 30,000 years," Mr Packham said. Mr Packham called for an end to playing politics with bushfires and instead called for leadership based on scientific evidence. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/fires-not-due-to-climate-change-expert Those from the climate change religion ignore the scientists who go against the narrative the climate change religion is trying to construct.

Mmm, there's no link? No link between what? Between the federal government's policy and bush fires.

He DOES NOT say that there's no link between climate change and bush fires.

Auggie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 5:26pm:

He DOES NOT say that there's no link between climate change and bush fires.

Just for you -

"As former State Fire Chiefs call for a summit on bushfires, expert and scientist David Packham explains that it has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with fuel-loads."

And highlighted just for you. ;)

lee wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 5:26pm: He DOES NOT say that there's no link between climate change and bush fires. Just for you - "As former State Fire Chiefs call for a summit on bushfires, expert and scientist David Packham explains that it has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with fuel-loads." And highlighted just for you. ;)

He's talking about the Government's Climate Change Policy, not Climate Change in general.

You need to read between the lines

Auggie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 5:41pm:

You need to read between the lines

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It ain't what it it says it says. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"UPDATE 14/11/19:

Speaking earlier this week, Mr Packham confirmed his position on what is causing the current severe bushfire conditions. Addressing the matter on Sky News, he said fuel loads remain the core issue.

"The most important (factor) is the dryness of the fuel, which comes from the hot dry weather," he said.

"It's not behind the lot of it, it's behind all of it. The theory is as solid as the universal theory of gravitation." "+

From the earlier piece -

"Linking the bushfire disaster in NSW to climate change is "an absolute nonsense" and reducing fuel loads in the Australian bush is urgently needed, a leading scientist says.

Retired Monash University researcher David Packham says global warming is a gradual process which doesn't explain major bushfires."

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/fires-not-due-to-climate-change-expert

I rhink you need to clean your "read between the lines" glasses. ;)

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This article was originally published on 21/10/13.

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SBS has attempted to contact Mr Packham on whether he holds the same views he expressed in the original 2013 article refuting links between climate change and bushfires at that time.

:D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 6:52pm:

Quote: This article was originally published on 21/10/13. [quote]SBS has attempted to contact Mr Packham on whether he holds the same views he expressed in the original 2013 article refuting links between climate change and bushfires at that time.

:D :D :D [/quote]


Poor petal. Can't read a timeline.


lee wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 5:52pm:

UPDATE 14/11/19:

Is 14/11/2019 later than 2013?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 6:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:52pm: Quote: This article was originally published on 21/10/13. [quote]SBS has attempted to contact Mr Packham on whether he holds the same views he expressed in the original 2013 article refuting links between climate change and bushfires at that time. :D :D :D

Poor petal. Can't read a timeline.


lee wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 5:52pm:

UPDATE 14/11/19:

Is 14/11/2019 later than 2013?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote]

yeah, so they got comments from todays politicians so as to pretend it is remotely relevant.

The guy you quoted has said nothing about these fires.
It must suck to be as dumb as you.

John - what's your excuse today for posting in the Environment forum while banned?

Your banning doesn't end till tomorrow.

183 arsonists arrested: Are climate change alarmists to blame for Australia’s massive fires?

Published 18 hours ago

on January 6, 2020


https://noqreport.com/2020/01/06/183-arsonists-arrested-climate-change-alarmists-blame-australias-massive-fires/




Nearly 200 People Arrested Across Australia For Deliberately Starting Bushfires

A total of 183 people have been arrested by police in Queensland, NSW, Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania for lighting bushfires over the last few months, figures obtained by news agency AAP show.

In New South Wales, 24 people were arrested for arson, risking prison sentences of up to 25 years.

In Queensland, police concluded that 103 of the fires had been deliberately lit, with 98 people, 67 of them juveniles, having been identified as the culprits.

Around 85 per cent of bushfires are caused by humans either deliberately or accidentally starting them, according to Dr Paul Read, co-director of the National Centre for Research in Bushfire and Arson.

yes



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More than 180 alleged arsonists have been arrested since the start of the bushfire season, with 29 blazes deliberately lit in the Shoalhaven region of southeast NSW in just three months. The Shoalhaven fires were lit between July and September last year, with Kempsey recording 27 deliberately lit fires, NSW Bureau of Crime and Statistics and Research data shows. Police arrested 183 people for lighting bushfires across Queensland, NSW, Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania in the past few months. NSW police data shows 183 people have been charged or cautioned for bushfire-related offences since November 8, and 24 arrested for deliberately starting bushfires. Queensland police say 101 people have been picked up for setting fires in the bush, 32 adults and 69 juveniles. In Tasmania, where fires have sprung up in the north of the state and outside Hobart, five were caught setting fire to vegetation. Victoria reported 43 charged for 2019.

[https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfires-firebugs-fuelling-crisis-asarson-arresttollhits183/news-story/52536dc9ca9bb87b7c76d36ed1acf53f?fbclid=IwAR1K9U_lemO-dV4YXnfHb9f7EJLPhcHmM-K_mDI-jImK3fcGGT8r0fDiGck][/url]



Arsonists.

Not questionable global warming

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 7:31pm:

yes Quote: More than 180 alleged arsonists have been arrested since the start of the bushfire season, with 29 blazes deliberately lit in the Shoalhaven region of southeast NSW in just three months. The Shoalhaven fires were lit between July and September last year, with Kempsey recording 27 deliberately lit fires, NSW Bureau of Crime and Statistics and Research data shows. Police arrested 183 people for lighting bushfires across Queensland, NSW, Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania in the past few months. NSW police data shows 183 people have been charged or cautioned for bushfire-related offences since November 8, and 24 arrested for deliberately starting bushfires. Queensland police say 101 people have been picked up for setting fires in the bush, 32 adults and 69 juveniles. In Tasmania, where fires have sprung up in the north of the state and outside Hobart, five were caught setting fire to vegetation. Victoria reported 43 charged for 2019. [https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfires-firebugs-fuelling-crisis-asarson-arresttollhits183/news-story/52536dc9ca9bb87b7c76d36ed1acf53f?fbclid=IwAR1K9U_lemO-dV4YXnfHb9f7EJLPhcHmM-K_mDI-jImK3fcGGT8r0fDiGck][/url] Arsonists. Not questionable global warming

Ah.

"More than 180 alleged arsonists have been arrested since the start of the bushfire season ..."

John Smith wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 7:03pm:

yeah, so they got comments from todays politicians so as to pretend it is remotely relevant.

poor petal. Still following me around like a lost little lambikin. ;D ;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 7:03pm:

The guy you quoted has said nothing about these fires. It must suck to be as dumb as you.

"As former State Fire Chiefs call for a summit on bushfires, expert and scientist David Packham explains that it has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with fuel-loads."

https://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/scientist-david-packham-on-whats-really-causing-the-bushfires

It must really suck to be dumber. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 7:31pm:

yes

actually, that's a 'no'.




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Only about 1 per cent of the land burnt in NSW this bushfire season can be officially attributed to arson, and it is even less in Victoria, the ABC can reveal.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-11/australias-fires-reveal-arson-not-a-major-cause/11855022


:D :D

lee wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 7:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 7:03pm: yeah, so they got comments from todays politicians so as to pretend it is remotely relevant. poor petal. Still following me around like a lost little lambikin. ;D ;D ;D ;D John Smith wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 7:03pm: The guy you quoted has said nothing about these fires. It must suck to be as dumb as you. "As former State Fire Chiefs call for a summit on bushfires, expert and scientist David Packham explains that it has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with fuel-loads." https://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/scientist-david-packham-on-whats-really-causing-the-bushfires It must really suck to be dumber. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

ohh, i see you've put up a different link this time. Couldn't find support for your crap on the other one ehh? ;D ;D ;D


yeah ...one 'expert' says no, 21 other experts say yes. You of course opt to ignore the 21 in favour of the one because you're a genius. :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 3:54pm:

ohh, i see you've put up a different link this time. Couldn't find support for your crap on the other one ehh?

I thought you loved multiple  quotes. ;D ;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 3:54pm:

yeah ...one 'expert' says no, 21 other experts say yes.

Which 21 experts are you quoting petal? ;)

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:22pm:

Which 21 experts are you quoting petal?

take your pick.

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:25pm:

lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 4:22pm: Which 21 experts are you quoting petal? take your pick.

Poor petal. Caught out by his own ignorance. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D