Climate Patterns behind Australia's bushfires, heat and drought set to improve says Bureau of Meteorology

Twoclimate patterns that have been influencing Australia’s ongoing drought, deadly bushfire weather and record-breaking heat have shifted towards neutral, according to the Bureau of Meteorology

it certainly does not mean the end of the drought – that will take some time; many months, especially for those rivers to rise again and for the soils to even reach average wetness.”

The Guardian


BoM has squandered its former place as a respected institution with its manipulation of records and data and there will be floods before BoM regains a fraction of the trust it's lost

nevertheless, good news re the weather is welcomed, even though blind Bill could have told us the weather will eventually improve

now let's see councils behave responsibly by conducting burn-offs regularly

and let the punishment for individuals and companies begin concerning the arson for which they are responsible, which in turn is responsible for 90% or more of the bushfires

it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing...

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 7:08am:

it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing...

You are wasting your time praying, no one is listening.

But that won't stop you claiming a great victory when it does rain.

Slightly cooler in the morning but thats canberra. Its gunna be just as hot as yesterday for 2 days apparently then get hotter.

Spot

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 7:08am:

it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing...

Good on you, Cods

Yes, as predicted, it's quite a bit cooler and a smattering of rain (mere perspiration at .4mm) is predicted for tomorrow

So much of this was avoidable, as we know, but that will be of negligible comfort to those who've lost everything

PZ547 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 7:16am:

cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... Good on you, Cods Yes, as predicted, it's quite a bit cooler and a smattering of rain (mere perspiration at .4mm) is predicted for tomorrow So much of this was avoidable, as we know, but that will be of negligible comfort to those who've lost everything

we wont know the full facts till its over.. the Sth coast is devastated and no sign of a let up...I can only guess at the animals that have been lost....poor buggers...the Coast has always been beautifully green   now its black....my friend in Surf Beach has been allowed back home but is on standby... so thats something  but then again it may mean everything that can burn has been burned...

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 7:23am:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:16am: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... Good on you, Cods Yes, as predicted, it's quite a bit cooler and a smattering of rain (mere perspiration at .4mm) is predicted for tomorrow So much of this was avoidable, as we know, but that will be of negligible comfort to those who've lost everything we wont know the full facts till its over.. the Sth coast is devastated and no sign of a let up...I can only guess at the animals that have been lost....poor buggers...the Coast has always been beautifully green   now its black....my friend in Surf Beach has been allowed back home but is on standby... so thats something  but then again it may mean everything that can burn has been burned...

The native and domestic animals are always foremost in my mind and it's enough to send a person half mad

if I were the PM, I'd be declaring that a life sentence will be imposed on proven arsonists and that includes management of companies which are directly or indirectly responsible for starting fires.  For repeat offenders, it should be execution, no appeals

if a survey were to be taken of those directly affected by the fires, I'm sure they would say the same thing, to say nothing of those whose loved ones died in the fires

and a big FU to the corrupt UN if it dared to poke its nose in

I doubt anything could improve the BoM...... just saying....

I agree with tougher sentences for lighting fires that cause harm... minimum ten years and proportion to the damage and pain caused, to humans and animals..

Even being stupid enough to light a barbie fire in the open and start a fire during a ban should cop a $5000 fine... people do it, on holidays or back-packing and zero sense ...

PZ547 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 7:33am:

cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:23am: PZ547 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:16am: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... Good on you, Cods Yes, as predicted, it's quite a bit cooler and a smattering of rain (mere perspiration at .4mm) is predicted for tomorrow So much of this was avoidable, as we know, but that will be of negligible comfort to those who've lost everything we wont know the full facts till its over.. the Sth coast is devastated and no sign of a let up...I can only guess at the animals that have been lost....poor buggers...the Coast has always been beautifully green   now its black....my friend in Surf Beach has been allowed back home but is on standby... so thats something  but then again it may mean everything that can burn has been burned... The native and domestic animals are always foremost in my mind and it's enough to send a person half mad if I were the PM, I'd be declaring that a life sentence will be imposed on proven arsonists and that includes management of companies which are directly or indirectly responsible for starting fires.  For repeat offenders, it should be execution, no appeals if a survey were to be taken of those directly affected by the fires, I'm sure they would say the same thing, to say nothing of those whose loved ones died in the fires and a big FU to the corrupt UN if it dared to poke its nose in

I wish I had the answer to these firebugs... some of them are mature men... its incredible   maybe they can be tasked with working on rebuilding for free... every spare minute of their time until its done.. I dunno....some are repeat offenders...grrrrrrrrrrrrr

There seems to be a bit of a shift in weather in the last few months. We went through a fairly cold and average winter period. Into a hot and dry spring. Summer has been very lousy with no considerable rainfall. If the bureau is claiming an end to the positive Indian Ocean Dipole, then this should be the start of the normalisation of weather patterns.

The bureau of meteorology is a good guide to figuring out weather patterns 2 weeks in advance.

we have to learn to deal with this kind of thing unsub...

its a sunburnt country remember?....fire is normal...

we have to do better its that simple  more people are living here  mainly on the coast  more building in the bush settings..  ::) ::) ::)yet we still send one man out there with one hose.to deal with it all..

crazy!.... even the trucks are in danger..

I don't see what that has to do with my post, cods.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 3:58pm:

I don't see what that has to do with my post, cods.

well you seem to think the weather[reporting] would have made some difference to this outcome....

we have been told for a long time about drought but they have concentrated on the farming areas   forgetting it affects everywhere....our bush is meant to BURN   its what keeps it going....

I wasnt in particular picking on your post unsub....just giving another explanation......to me so much is commonsense  yet somehow that never seems to be taken into consideration...

after refusing to listen to the BoM for years, i just love how the denialists are suddenly using the BoM to push their agenda ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 4:23pm:

after refusing to listen to the BoM for years, i just love how the denialists are suddenly using the BoM to push their agenda ;D ;D ;D

You're a dead set mongoloid. Actually a mongoloid would find you an intellectual lightweight.

The subject of the OP is a short term weather forecast.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 3:51pm:

There seems to be a bit of a shift in weather in the last few months. We went through a fairly cold and average winter period. Into a hot and dry spring. Summer has been very lousy with no considerable rainfall. If the bureau is claiming an end to the positive Indian Ocean Dipole, then this should be the start of the normalisation of weather patterns. The bureau of meteorology is a good guide to figuring out weather patterns 2 weeks in advance.

I check the radar loops and work it out for myself - been doing that for years.

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 3:57pm:

we have to learn to deal with this kind of thing unsub... its a sunburnt country remember?....fire is normal... we have to do better its that simple  more people are living here  mainly on the coast  more building in the bush settings..  ::) ::) ::)yet we still send one man out there with one hose.to deal with it all.. crazy!.... even the trucks are in danger..

Yes - it's always been a nation of extremes - drought and flood.. hot and cold.  This is no worse than the twelve years of drought we put up with down south on the property - now I'm working on getting relief supplies down that way - many people I know are in the path of fires, and I can't get down there to help.

Come on, Hughie - some cash and some rain.... and I'll head off to sort out supplies as they come in etc, sleep in the car... but can't leave the caree... buggar.. she can't sleep in a car, either.

Gordon wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 4:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 4:23pm: after refusing to listen to the BoM for years, i just love how the denialists are suddenly using the BoM to push their agenda ;D ;D ;D You're a dead set mongoloid. Actually a mongoloid would find you an intellectual lightweight. The subject of the OP is a short term weather forecast.

Most people with at least half a brain wouldn't need the following section from the OP  highlighted ... I should have realised that you, being as dumb as dogsheat, need it highlighted. My apologies for not doing so earlier.



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BoM has squandered its former place as a respected institution with its manipulation of records and data and there will be floods before BoM regains a fraction of the trust it's lost

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 5:32pm:

cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 3:57pm: we have to learn to deal with this kind of thing unsub... its a sunburnt country remember?....fire is normal... we have to do better its that simple  more people are living here  mainly on the coast  more building in the bush settings..  ::) ::) ::)yet we still send one man out there with one hose.to deal with it all.. crazy!.... even the trucks are in danger.. Yes - it's always been a nation of extremes - drought and flood.. hot and cold.  This is no worse than the twelve years of drought we put up with down south on the property - now I'm working on getting relief supplies down that way - many people I know are in the path of fires, and I can't get down there to help. Come on, Hughie - some cash and some rain.... and I'll head off to sort out supplies as they come in etc, sleep in the car... but can't leave the caree... buggar.. she can't sleep in a car, either.

you sound like you are doing your bit grap.....your duty is at home......I wish I could do more  but no one tells us what is needed to be done.....from a distance.....

people with no homes... what can we do?... can we provide tents for at least some shelter.. we must be able to do something...

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 5:54pm:

I wish I could do more  but no one tells us what is needed to be done.....from a distance..... people with no homes... what can we do?... can we provide tents for at least some shelter.. we must be able to do something..

if you want to help, here's some ideas. Otherwise just send some bottled water

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/21/how-you-can-donate-and-help-the-volunteer-firefighters-in-australias-bushfire-crisis

random wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 7:11am:

cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... You are wasting your time praying, no one is listening. But that won't stop you claiming a great victory when it does rain.

A pair of hands at work will accomplish more than a million pairs at prayer.(someone)

Setanta wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 5:58pm:

random wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:11am: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... You are wasting your time praying, no one is listening. But that won't stop you claiming a great victory when it does rain. A pair of hands at work will accomplish more than a million pairs at prayer.(someone)

ahhh so what are you doing with your hands set??>>.

will they prevent more fires??....or help put out the ones we have already?

one pair of hands you say???..mmmmmmm

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 5:57pm:

cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:54pm: I wish I could do more  but no one tells us what is needed to be done.....from a distance..... people with no homes... what can we do?... can we provide tents for at least some shelter.. we must be able to do something.. if you want to help, here's some ideas. Otherwise just send some bottled water https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/21/how-you-can-donate-and-help-the-volunteer-firefighters-in-australias-bushfire-crisis

I always give money not much but what I can afford....but I do have a lot of blankets and stuff thats never used....I tried a while ago to get the Salvos to pick up some things....and they said they dont pick up anymore....I cant do the lifting like I used too...I will find a way though dont worry yourself.

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:02pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:58pm: random wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:11am: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... You are wasting your time praying, no one is listening. But that won't stop you claiming a great victory when it does rain. A pair of hands at work will accomplish more than a million pairs at prayer.(someone) ahhh so what are you doing with your hands set??>>. will they prevent more fires??....or help put out the ones we have already? one pair of hands you say???..mmmmmmm

I'm saying whatever hands are at work are doing more than all the prayers in history. You think praying helps? Seriously?

If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing, then your praying has no benefit over my doing nothing. If I'm doing nothing, that is.

Setanta wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:06pm:

cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:02pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:58pm: random wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:11am: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... You are wasting your time praying, no one is listening. But that won't stop you claiming a great victory when it does rain. A pair of hands at work will accomplish more than a million pairs at prayer.(someone) ahhh so what are you doing with your hands set??>>. will they prevent more fires??....or help put out the ones we have already? one pair of hands you say???..mmmmmmm I'm saying whatever hands are at work are doing more than all the prayers in history. You think praying helps? Seriously? If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing, then your praying has no benefit over my doing nothing. If I'm doing nothing, that is.

I have never mentioned you or anyone else... you assume far too much...can I not tell anyone what I AM DOING without the usual insults?....apparently not..

have you noticed how insular all the men on here are


they only see their own little tiny world  and it means everything to them...

you are the one who mentioned a pair of hands... not I..

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:06pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:02pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:58pm: random wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:11am: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... You are wasting your time praying, no one is listening. But that won't stop you claiming a great victory when it does rain. A pair of hands at work will accomplish more than a million pairs at prayer.(someone) ahhh so what are you doing with your hands set??>>. will they prevent more fires??....or help put out the ones we have already? one pair of hands you say???..mmmmmmm I'm saying whatevgood er hands are at work are doing more than all the prayers in history. You think praying helps? Seriously? If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing, then your praying has no benefit over my doing nothing. If I'm doing nothing, that is. I have never mentioned you or anyone else... you assume far too much...can I not tell anyone what I AM DOING without the usual insults?....apparently not.. have you noticed how insular all the men on here are they only see their own little tiny world  and it means everything to them... you are the one who mentioned a pair of hands... not I..

You might have to tell me what I'm assuming about you. All I have said is praying is pointless. It's not doing something, it's doing nothing hoping something good happens because you did nothing.

Setanta wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:11pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:06pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:02pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:58pm: random wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:11am: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... You are wasting your time praying, no one is listening. But that won't stop you claiming a great victory when it does rain. A pair of hands at work will accomplish more than a million pairs at prayer.(someone) ahhh so what are you doing with your hands set??>>. will they prevent more fires??....or help put out the ones we have already? one pair of hands you say???..mmmmmmm I'm saying whatever hands are at work are doing more than all the prayers in history. You think praying helps? Seriously? If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing, then your praying has no benefit over my doing nothing. If I'm doing nothing, that is. I have never mentioned you or anyone else... you assume far too much...can I not tell anyone what I AM DOING without the usual insults?....apparently not.. have you noticed how insular all the men on here are they only see their own little tiny world  and it means everything to them... you are the one who mentioned a pair of hands... not I.. You might have to tell me what I'm assuming about you. All I have said is praying is pointless. It's not doing something, it's doing nothing hoping something happens.

Quote:

If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing,

I took that to mean   you think thats what I am saying...

I wouldnt dream of saying anyone is doing NOTHING..

or even suggesting it.... what people do in times of crisis is up to them....I dont know much about praying  I am not particularly religious... I just thought it was worth a try thats all.. terrible thing to suggest I know but if you read the thread you will see I didnt include non believers  but the thread soon got turned into its usual warped zzzzzzzz..... any way I am fed up so will leave it with you.... ignore me from now on..

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:19pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:11pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:06pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:02pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:58pm: random wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:11am: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... You are wasting your time praying, no one is listening. But that won't stop you claiming a great victory when it does rain. A pair of hands at work will accomplish more than a million pairs at prayer.(someone) ahhh so what are you doing with your hands set??>>. will they prevent more fires??....or help put out the ones we have already? one pair of hands you say???..mmmmmmm I'm saying whatever hands are at work are doing more than all the prayers in history. You think praying helps? Seriously? If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing, then your praying has no benefit over my doing nothing. If I'm doing nothing, that is. I have never mentioned you or anyone else... you assume far too much...can I not tell anyone what I AM DOING without the usual insults?....apparently not.. have you noticed how insular all the men on here are they only see their own little tiny world  and it means everything to them... you are the one who mentioned a pair of hands... not I.. You might have to tell me what I'm assuming about you. All I have said is praying is pointless. It's not doing something, it's doing nothing hoping something happens. Quote: If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing, I took that to mean   you think thats what I am saying... I wouldnt dream of saying anyone is doing NOTHING.. or even suggesting it.... what people do in times of crisis is up to them....I dont know much about praying  I am not particularly religious... I just thought it was worth a try thats all.. terrible thing to suggest I know but if you read the thread you will see I didnt include non believers  but the thread soon got turned into its usual warped zzzzzzzz..... any way I am fed up so will leave it with you.... ignore me from now on..

There's no need to get butt hurt cods. Doing and praying are on opposite ends of the circle of getting things done and they meet in the same place. Praying is doing nothing. Doing nothing is as good as praying. Neither has the moral advantage. They are both meaningless to solving problems.

When people say they are praying for something, all they are doing is comforting themselves, making themselves feel better for not doing anything.. It's an empty gesture.

Setanta wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:24pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:19pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:11pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:06pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:02pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:58pm: random wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:11am: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... You are wasting your time praying, no one is listening. But that won't stop you claiming a great victory when it does rain. A pair of hands at work will accomplish more than a million pairs at prayer.(someone) ahhh so what are you doing with your hands set??>>. will they prevent more fires??....or help put out the ones we have already? one pair of hands you say???..mmmmmmm I'm saying whatever hands are at work are doing more than all the prayers in history. You think praying helps? Seriously? If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing, then your praying has no benefit over my doing nothing. If I'm doing nothing, that is. I have never mentioned you or anyone else... you assume far too much...can I not tell anyone what I AM DOING without the usual insults?....apparently not.. have you noticed how insular all the men on here are they only see their own little tiny world  and it means everything to them... you are the one who mentioned a pair of hands... not I.. You might have to tell me what I'm assuming about you. All I have said is praying is pointless. It's not doing something, it's doing nothing hoping something happens. Quote: If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing, I took that to mean   you think thats what I am saying... I wouldnt dream of saying anyone is doing NOTHING.. or even suggesting it.... what people do in times of crisis is up to them....I dont know much about praying  I am not particularly religious... I just thought it was worth a try thats all.. terrible thing to suggest I know but if you read the thread you will see I didnt include non believers  but the thread soon got turned into its usual warped zzzzzzzz..... any way I am fed up so will leave it with you.... ignore me from now on.. There's no need to get butt hurt cods. Doing and praying are on opposite ends of the circle of getting things done and they meet in the same place. Praying is doing nothing. Doing nothing is as good as praying. Neither has the moral advantage. They are both meaningless to solving problems. When people say they are praying for something, all they are doing is comforting themselves, making themselves feel better for not doing anything.. It's an empty gesture.

well ... I then...am full of empty gestures   sorry if that offends you.....you and js sure have a good opinion...

  I will keep my mouth shut from now on...I am not butt hurt as you claim   its just the judgement that pings me off.....

you obviously do judge me   claiming if I pray for rain its as good as doing NOTHING..... thanks for that JUDGEMENT..

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 8:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:28pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:24pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:19pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:11pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:06pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:02pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:58pm: random wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:11am: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:08am: it does seem cooler this morning   although we are smoked in we live in a very resilient country tough as teak....I have a lot of faith  and rain will come  bloody hell I am not doing all this praying for nothing... You are wasting your time praying, no one is listening. But that won't stop you claiming a great victory when it does rain. A pair of hands at work will accomplish more than a million pairs at prayer.(someone) ahhh so what are you doing with your hands set??>>. will they prevent more fires??....or help put out the ones we have already? one pair of hands you say???..mmmmmmm I'm saying whatever hands are at work are doing more than all the prayers in history. You think praying helps? Seriously? If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing, then your praying has no benefit over my doing nothing. If I'm doing nothing, that is. I have never mentioned you or anyone else... you assume far too much...can I not tell anyone what I AM DOING without the usual insults?....apparently not.. have you noticed how insular all the men on here are they only see their own little tiny world  and it means everything to them... you are the one who mentioned a pair of hands... not I.. You might have to tell me what I'm assuming about you. All I have said is praying is pointless. It's not doing something, it's doing nothing hoping something happens. Quote: If your argument is you are praying and I'm doing nothing, I took that to mean   you think thats what I am saying... I wouldnt dream of saying anyone is doing NOTHING.. or even suggesting it.... what people do in times of crisis is up to them....I dont know much about praying  I am not particularly religious... I just thought it was worth a try thats all.. terrible thing to suggest I know but if you read the thread you will see I didnt include non believers but the thread soon got turned into its usual warped zzzzzzzz..... any way I am fed up so will leave it with you.... ignore me from now on.. There's no need to get butt hurt cods. Doing and praying are on opposite ends of the circle of getting things done and they meet in the same place. Praying is doing nothing. Doing nothing is as good as praying. Neither has the moral advantage. They are both meaningless to solving problems. When people say they are praying for something, all they are doing is comforting themselves, making themselves feel better for not doing anything.. It's an empty gesture. well ... I then...am full of empty gestures   sorry if that offends you.....you and js sure have a good opinion...   I will keep my mouth shut from now on...I am not butt hurt as you claim   its just the judgement that pings me off..... you obviously do judge me   claiming if I pray for rain its as good as doing NOTHING..... thanks for that JUDGEMENT..

This issnt the first time i have seen cods try to exclude ppl from conversations based on their belief or lack of belief. The default position is in the conversation on a message board. You dont have to be invited to a thread based on your religion.

Spot

I was watching news footage of southern areas in NSW & VIC yesterday ......

where there was major loss of homes/property

and by majority all were built in amongst trees...

I understand peoples desires for the "tree change" but the reality is if you're going to live among the gum trees .... without any plum trees(TY  John Williamson ;D) .... I should say without substantial buffer zones .....

when you get conditions like we have currently & because of the lack of forest management ......

houses are going to burn down.

You can't live in among the bush/trees without substantially higher risk.

I can't understand how people haven't figured that out yet ..... year after year from one decade to the next.  ::)

Gnads wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 4:57am:

I was watching news footage of southern areas in NSW & VIC yesterday ...... where there was major loss of homes/property and by majority all were built in amongst trees... I understand peoples desires for the "tree change" but the reality is if you're going to live among the gum trees .... without any plum trees(TY  John Williamson ;D) .... I should say without substantial buffer zones ..... when you get conditions like we have currently & because of the lack of forest management ...... houses are going to burn down. You can't live in among the bush/trees without substantially higher risk. I can't understand how people haven't figured that out yet ..... year after year from one decade to the next.  ::)

Well i have to agree there however these fires are unprecedented. Ppl may have to rethink how they live now but in the past the risk wasnt as great.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 4:59am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 4:57am: I was watching news footage of southern areas in NSW & VIC yesterday ...... where there was major loss of homes/property and by majority all were built in amongst trees... I understand peoples desires for the "tree change" but the reality is if you're going to live among the gum trees .... without any plum trees(TY  John Williamson ;D) .... I should say without substantial buffer zones ..... when you get conditions like we have currently & because of the lack of forest management ...... houses are going to burn down. You can't live in among the bush/trees without substantially higher risk. I can't understand how people haven't figured that out yet ..... year after year from one decade to the next.  ::) Well i have to agree there however these fires are unprecedented. Ppl may have to rethink how they live now but in the past the risk wasnt as great. Spot

The risk has always been there ...that's why you find most farm houses in the clear in the middle of the property.... and if they have trees around the house ...they aren't natives they're usually imported evergreens  .....

these aren't Sarah Hanson Young "Climate Fires"  ::)....

they're just fires that have a much larger fuel load to burn with more intensity .... which has been caused by Govt policy & mismanagement.

And with an increasing population we have more people living in rural bush settings.

Oh yeah & it seems that also brings an increase in the number of firebug arseholes that deliberately light these fires.

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 4:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 3:58pm: I don't see what that has to do with my post, cods. well you seem to think the weather[reporting] would have made some difference to this outcome.... we have been told for a long time about drought but they have concentrated on the farming areas   forgetting it affects everywhere....our bush is meant to BURN   its what keeps it going.... I wasnt in particular picking on your post unsub....just giving another explanation......to me so much is commonsense  yet somehow that never seems to be taken into consideration...

You don't know what I think, cods. Because I have not said that weather reporting would make a difference to people learning to deal with weather change. I have not been given any idea that Australians are concerned about the drought other than to symbolically raise money in "parma for farmer" fundraisers, or add an extra 10c/L to milk prices.

The bureau made a claim that the Indian Ocean Dipole has ended the positive index. Therefore, we Australians should see an increase in shower and storm activity in the northwest of the Australian continent.

Rainfall charts have shown that only northwestern Qld has escaped drought conditions. Some places have even shown well above average rainfall for the year. I won't be happy unless we see 1200mm of rainfall for my town for the year 2020. Forecasts have indicated a likely La Nina conditions by winter and springtime above average rainfall.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 5:29pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 3:51pm: There seems to be a bit of a shift in weather in the last few months. We went through a fairly cold and average winter period. Into a hot and dry spring. Summer has been very lousy with no considerable rainfall. If the bureau is claiming an end to the positive Indian Ocean Dipole, then this should be the start of the normalisation of weather patterns. The bureau of meteorology is a good guide to figuring out weather patterns 2 weeks in advance. I check the radar loops and work it out for myself - been doing that for years.

You are looking at the next 12 hours of possible shower activity in your area. I look at weather charts and figure out the likelihood of rainfall up to 3 days away. Some websites use forecast models to show an accurate likelihood of cyclones developing when and where. They are very interesting.