Can someone show me some evidence that the greenies (who are not in power) caused the fires please?

Spot

I have some evidence that the Greenies predicted that the fires would happened if we kept burning coal.

random wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:26am:

I have some evidence that the Greenies predicted that the fires would happened if we kept burning coal.

Yup and morrison wouldnt listen to them.

Thing is i have seen several ppl blaming the greens for this fire but i havent seen anyone provide any evidence. If they caused it they should pay. I want to see how they did it.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:10am:

Can someone show me some evidence that the greenies (who are not in power) caused the fires please? Spot

they are in control of many local councils spot....and its the locals that are in charge of local business  like burning off.....it isnt up to State or Fed govts....the green share the local govt in ACT....have you taken a good look at what is actually going on in this town???...go for a drive over Molonglo take it all in.....

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:47am:

random wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:26am: I have some evidence that the Greenies predicted that the fires would happened if we kept burning coal. Yup and morrison wouldnt listen to them. Thing is i have seen several ppl blaming the greens for this fire but i havent seen anyone provide any evidence. If they caused it they should pay. I want to see how they did it. Spot

btw spot... a lot are deliberately lit......sadly... please dont ignore that.

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:49am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:47am: random wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:26am: I have some evidence that the Greenies predicted that the fires would happened if we kept burning coal. Yup and morrison wouldnt listen to them. Thing is i have seen several ppl blaming the greens for this fire but i havent seen anyone provide any evidence. If they caused it they should pay. I want to see how they did it. Spot btw spot... a lot are deliberately lit......sadly... please dont ignore that.

fires have always been deliberately lit.  Don't make yourself look so stupid cods.

Now they can't be put out by the little red fire trucks and a bunch of volunteers like they used to be.
Now they just run for their fukkking lives.

[size=16][b]7 FIRES DELIBERATELY LIT IN BEGA Sth Coast

BEGA IS NOW DEVASTATED

Please someone give me some evidence to look at?

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 7:11am:

Please someone give me some evidence to look at? Spot

I'm in no mood for political dummy spits

Greens are on most people's stink list and I hope this is reflected in the pols when the blessed time comes to kick them to the curb

as for evidence, go find it yourself instead of meowing here

the media has dialled down the truths it was telling during the past several weeks, but I've been keeping a file on all the arsonists

and if not for them, all over the land, the media wouldn't have hundreds of dramatic, fiery red photos to splash around the world and toss in our faces hourly

failure to back burn when appropriate
all the local councillors who vetoed back burning
the failure of major orgs to maintain their property which in turn led to fires

the lists haven't begun to be compiled.  When they are, there are a complicit mob who'd better start running

PZ547 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 7:22am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:11am: Please someone give me some evidence to look at? Spot I'm in no mood for political dummy spits Greens are on most people's stink list and I hope this is reflected in the pols when the blessed time comes to kick them to the curb as for evidence, go find it yourself instead of meowing here the media has dialled down the truths it was telling during the past several weeks, but I've been keeping a file on all the arsonists and if not for them, all over the land, the media wouldn't have hundreds of dramatic, fiery red photos to splash around the world and toss in our faces hourly failure to back burn when appropriate all the local councillors who vetoed back burning the failure of major orgs to maintain their property which in turn led to fires the lists haven't begun to be compiled.  When they are, there are a complicit mob who'd better start running

I doubt any major orgs are green

Spot

The Greeny liars are out in force as their HEROES are discredited and shamed for causing the bush fires by banning the clearing of undergrowth.

The Greenies are finished now that it is common knowledge that these evil beasts caused the bush fires.

So nobody has any actual evidence that the greenies are to blame?

Spot

The Greens fkuckup everything they touch.

In November 2009, Penny Wong and the Coalition’s climate change spokesman, Ian Macfarlane, negotiated a package that could be passed through the parliament, but Turnbull was replaced as Liberal leader within days by Tony Abbott and a secret ballot of the Coalition party room rejected the Wong–Macfarlane agreement. Any prospect of consensus between the major parties had been dealt a death blow.

On Abbott’s first full day as Liberal leader, the Greens inexplicably delivered him an enormous strategic victory, voting with him to defeat Rudd’s Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme. This short-sighted tactical manoeuvre allowed Abbott to begin to build the momentum that has hamstrung long-term climate action for almost a decade

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/05/how-australia-bungled-climate-policy-to-create-a-decade-of-disappointment

Gordon wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 8:00am:

The Greens fkuckup everything they touch. In November 2009, Penny Wong and the Coalition’s climate change spokesman, Ian Macfarlane, negotiated a package that could be passed through the parliament, but Turnbull was replaced as Liberal leader within days by Tony Abbott and a secret ballot of the Coalition party room rejected the Wong–Macfarlane agreement. Any prospect of consensus between the major parties had been dealt a death blow. On Abbott’s first full day as Liberal leader, the Greens inexplicably delivered him an enormous strategic victory, voting with him to defeat Rudd’s Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme. This short-sighted tactical manoeuvre allowed Abbott to begin to build the momentum that has hamstrung long-term climate action for almost a decade https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/05/how-australia-bungled-climate-policy-to-create-a-decade-of-disappointment

Thankyou gordon!

Long term that does look damning for the greens - but also the liberals who are the ones blaming the greens.

Spot

Spotty is in deny and lie mode - very common with Lefties and Greenies.

The shocking Greeny craven cur traitors are disgraced and discredited and shamed for causing the bush fires.

The Greenies are finished now after this.

juliar wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 8:13am:

Spotty is in deny and lie mode - very common with Lefties and Greenies. The shocking Greeny craven cur traitors are disgraced and discredited and shamed for causing the bush fires. The Greenies are finished now after this.

The greens vote will skyrocket up.

Nothing like a bit of good ol survival to motivate people.

Maslow's Hierarchy and all that.

Randumb/Greggy is as mad as a cut snake.  One looks forward to her suspension.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 7:45am:

So nobody has any actual evidence that the greenies are to blame? Spot

No they cannot because the claim is bullshit!!!

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 3:06pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:45am: So nobody has any actual evidence that the greenies are to blame? Spot No they cannot because the claim is bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction

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These are very tired and very old conspiracy theories that get a run after most major fires,” says Prof Ross Bradstock, the director of the centre for environmental risk management of bushfires at the University of Wollongong, who has been researching bushfires for 40 years.

you would think and hope that after 40 years Prof Bradstock would have at least come up with a solution if burning off is not one of them



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He says property holders are largely free to carry out these activities themselves without needing to seek permits.

maybe the good Prof should talk to property owners  who  quite often get fined huge sums for daring to remove trees..... last I heard people went to enormous trouble to get a licence to clear.. just about anything...

maybe he lives in a ivory tower!!!....


https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/scott-morrison-signals-backburning-shake-up-in-wake-of-bushfires/news-story/6a97d0de079431383603a6013db4b5dc


Scott Morrison has flagged a major rewrite to rules covering hazard reduction, land clearing and where homes can be built following the devastating fires that have ravaged Australia since September.

Speaking to the media in Sydney today the Prime Minister specifically linked climate change and the requirement for reforms.

Mr Morrison said there was “a need to address issues around hazard reduction for national parks, dealing with land clearing laws, zoning laws and planning laws around people’s properties and where they can be built in countries like Australia, up and down the coast”.

“That being the case with the climatic effects of what we are seeing, there are many restrictions around those effects that have to be reviewed on the basis on the broader climatic effect we are seeing in this country,” Mr Morrison said.

The PM said there were “many contributing factors” to the fire season, none more significant than the drought which had “created a tinderbox around the country” and seen “these fires run for long periods of time, particularly when there is no dousing rain that has normally followed.”

The issue of “fuel loads” was also “very clear”, Mr Morrison said.

“That has been a constant source of feedback by those on the ground,” he said.

“Issues in national parks and issues of hazard reduction and how that has worked over a period of time, that needs to be looked at undoubtedly.”


in between bouts of drought and bushfires we become complacent...its an aussie thing...

moronic idealogues responsible for the deaths of millions of critters
enemies of the environment

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i wonder how many baby birds survived at mallacoota  ::) ::) ::)

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 3:06pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:45am: So nobody has any actual evidence that the greenies are to blame? Spot No they cannot because the claim is bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction

LOL at the bullshit from the Guardian.

Typical behaviour from those who follow Di Nutella


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04 September 2019 | 04:00pm Protesters Have Halted Planned Burns In Two Locations Today Protestors at two planned burns in the east of the region have put themselves and the broader community at risk as they tried to disrupt planned burning operations. Gippsland’s Deputy Chief Fire Officer, Beth Roberts said: “Forest Fire Management Victoria crews were planning to ignite burns at Baines Road Mossiface and Nelsons Road Nowa Nowa on Wednesday September 4. “These burns are strategic asset protection burns, intended to protect human life, property and community assets from summer bushfires,” Dr Roberts said. “Our crews ignited the burn near Mossiface and then had to call 000 to activate Victoria Police when, contrary to Authorised Officers’ advice members of the public entered the burn zone and refused to leave. “This is reckless and irresponsible behaviour that puts their own lives and the lives of our firefighters and the community at risk in addition to tying up valuable police resources. “Crews were unable to ignite the planned burn near Nowa Nowa due to protest activity and again had to call for assistance from Victoria Police. https://www.trfm.com.au/articles/planned-burns-halted/

Scruffy Green voters in another protest against backburning.

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greenies letting chickens roam "free" to be decimated by foxes  ::) ::)

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Still nobody can support the bullshit that the Greens are responsible for the fires....The LNP and ALP are in Government across Australia both Federal and State yet they take no responsibility for anything!!!


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Arguably as a result of more than $200 million in funding cuts by the NSW Coalition government since 2016, the total area treated with hazard reduction burns has been reduced by an average of 26 per cent. This has left more than 274,000 acres not subject to hazard reduction burns compared with a similar 3 year period before the budget cuts were enacted. Amidst one of the worst bushfire seasons in living memory, these budget cuts are now being felt by the people of NSW and the firefighters on the frontlines protecting people’s homes.

>:( >:( >:(

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/9-top-story-of-2019-gladys-berejiklian-slashes-fire-service-budgets-while-nsw-burns,13441

https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/11/11/nsw-bushfires-budget-cut/

aquascoot wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 4:16pm:

greenies letting chickens roam "free" to be decimated by foxes  ::) ::)

Should that be Greenie vegans?

me burning off last year.
couldnt get a permit so we just burnt it anyway.
the inner city urban elites would never come out and find us  :D :D

big scarey fire

catastrophic fire event


;D ;D ;D ;D

killing all the wildlife

greenies have million of animal deaths on their heads

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This is the only tree your average  Greenie sees.

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inner city urban greens should stay safe in the CBD

we dont want them in the bush

this is their natural habitat  ::) ::)

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How many more homes?" wrote Smith. "How many more acres of destroyed forest and bushland? How many more lives? How much more do we need to endure until you Muppets realise you f**ked up?"

Smith, who volunteers his time as a rural firefighter in Queensland, said that every time there is a disaster like this, "thousands of people like myself drop what we are doing and go to work. We put ourselves in harm's way so that another family can have a house to sleep in."

The "authority figures that have stood for environmental protection" over the past five years are "directly responsible for this devastation", Smith wrote.

"The fuel loading we are seeing out on the ground is ridiculous. We are looking at 5-10 years of growth, this fuel source is making these fires untouchable, we can't even get near them to fight them."

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 4:18pm:

Still nobody can support the bullshit that the Greens are responsible for the fires....The LNP and ALP are in Government across Australia both Federal and State yet they take no responsibility for anything!!! Quote: Arguably as a result of more than $200 million in funding cuts by the NSW Coalition government since 2016, the total area treated with hazard reduction burns has been reduced by an average of 26 per cent. This has left more than 274,000 acres not subject to hazard reduction burns compared with a similar 3 year period before the budget cuts were enacted. Amidst one of the worst bushfire seasons in living memory, these budget cuts are now being felt by the people of NSW and the firefighters on the frontlines protecting people’s homes. >:( >:( >:( https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/9-top-story-of-2019-gladys-berejiklian-slashes-fire-service-budgets-while-nsw-burns,13441 https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/11/11/nsw-bushfires-budget-cut/

Typical of the retarded lefties who can't get their story straight.

Crikey is looney leftist nonsense.




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Fact check: Is the NSW firefighting budget facing a $40 million cut? NSW Opposition Leader Jodi McKay says that the state's firefighting budget is facing a $40 million cut. The verdict Ms McKay's claim doesn't stack up. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-05/fact-check-are-nsw-firefighters-facing--budget-cuts/11747396

Forums seem to be busy with lefties peddling their bullshit must be school holidays again

The inner city recreational drug taking homosexual Greens are the worst.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 4:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 4:18pm: Still nobody can support the bullshit that the Greens are responsible for the fires....The LNP and ALP are in Government across Australia both Federal and State yet they take no responsibility for anything!!! Quote: Arguably as a result of more than $200 million in funding cuts by the NSW Coalition government since 2016, the total area treated with hazard reduction burns has been reduced by an average of 26 per cent. This has left more than 274,000 acres not subject to hazard reduction burns compared with a similar 3 year period before the budget cuts were enacted. Amidst one of the worst bushfire seasons in living memory, these budget cuts are now being felt by the people of NSW and the firefighters on the frontlines protecting people’s homes. >:( >:( >:( https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/9-top-story-of-2019-gladys-berejiklian-slashes-fire-service-budgets-while-nsw-burns,13441 https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/11/11/nsw-bushfires-budget-cut/ Typical of the retarded lefties who can't get their story straight. Crikey is looney leftist nonsense. [quote] Fact check: Is the NSW firefighting budget facing a $40 million cut? NSW Opposition Leader Jodi McKay says that the state's firefighting budget is facing a $40 million cut. The verdict Ms McKay's claim doesn't stack up. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-05/fact-check-are-nsw-firefighters-facing--budget-cuts/11747396

Forums seem to be busy with lefties peddling their bullshit must be school holidays again[/quote]

However I never cited the quote you posted did I....Typical of the right too misrepresent what was actually posted!!!

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shameful stuff

we have had 10 years to grow a spine and stare down the green monster

Living in an area like Healesville, whether because of dumb luck or whatever, we have not experienced a fire … since … about 1963. God help us if we ever do, because it will make Ash Wednesday look like a picnic." God help him, he was right.

Gentle complained of obstruction from green local government authorities of any type of fire mitigation strategies. He told of green interference at Kinglake - at the epicentre of Saturday's disaster, where at least 147 people died - during a smaller fire there in 2007.

"The contractors were out working on the fire lines. They put in containment lines and cleared off some of the fire trails. Two weeks later that fire broke out, but unfortunately those trails had been blocked up again [by greens] to turn it back to its natural state … Instances like that are just too numerous to mention. Governments … have been in too much of a rush to appease green idealism … This thing about locking up forests is just not working."

The Kinglake area was a nature-loving community of tree-changers, organic farmers and artists to the north of Melbourne. A council committed to reducing carbon emissions dominates the Nillumbik shire, a so-called "green wedge" area, where restrictions on removing vegetation around houses reportedly added to the dangers. In nearby St Andrews, where more than 20 people are believed to have died, surviving residents have spoken angrily of "greenies" who prevented them from cutting back trees near their property, including in one case, a tea tree that went "whoomp". Dr Phil Cheney, the former head of the CSIRO's bushfire research unit and one of the pioneers of prescribed burning, said yesterday if the fire-ravaged Victorian areas had been hazard-reduced, the flames would not have been as intense

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 5:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 4:30pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 4:18pm: Still nobody can support the bullshit that the Greens are responsible for the fires....The LNP and ALP are in Government across Australia both Federal and State yet they take no responsibility for anything!!! Quote: Arguably as a result of more than $200 million in funding cuts by the NSW Coalition government since 2016, the total area treated with hazard reduction burns has been reduced by an average of 26 per cent. This has left more than 274,000 acres not subject to hazard reduction burns compared with a similar 3 year period before the budget cuts were enacted. Amidst one of the worst bushfire seasons in living memory, these budget cuts are now being felt by the people of NSW and the firefighters on the frontlines protecting people’s homes. >:( >:( >:( https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/9-top-story-of-2019-gladys-berejiklian-slashes-fire-service-budgets-while-nsw-burns,13441 https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/11/11/nsw-bushfires-budget-cut/ Typical of the retarded lefties who can't get their story straight. Crikey is looney leftist nonsense. [quote] Fact check: Is the NSW firefighting budget facing a $40 million cut? NSW Opposition Leader Jodi McKay says that the state's firefighting budget is facing a $40 million cut. The verdict Ms McKay's claim doesn't stack up. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-05/fact-check-are-nsw-firefighters-facing--budget-cuts/11747396 Forums seem to be busy with lefties peddling their bullshit must be school holidays again

However I never cited the quote you posted did I....Typical of the right too misrepresent what was actually posted!!!

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What does your Crikey link say do you read the links you post?

The ABC debunks the bullshit from Crikey.

lol

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cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 6:48am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:10am: Can someone show me some evidence that the greenies (who are not in power) caused the fires please? Spot they are in control of many local councils spot........

which councils in the bush fire affected regions are the greenies in control off?

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...........  Richardo Luiji Di Natale. The Greens party leader who loves to tell us Aussies that we live on stolen land and our nation isn’t legitimate and that we should give it all back to the aboriginals. Richardo Luiji Di Natale. The son of Italian immigrants. That right. His parents fought against us during the war. No one in his family fought or died for the country he is critical of while he is taking advantage of it. Richardo Luiji Di Natale. The Greens party leader who despises Australians. In particular white Australians and in particular wealthy and middle class Australians and would happily rid the average Aussie family of their privately owned 474 to 665 square meters of “stolen land”. Owns a 50 acres of “stolen land” in Victoria's Otway Ranges. Not only does he own it. He failed to declare that he owned it when he entered politics. And he is required by law to declare it. He claimed that he’d forgotten that he’d purchased his 2.3 million dollar property! Like putting spare change in a draw, I suppose. One forgets it’s there?? But wait there’s more!! This “champion of human rights” and especially the rights of foreigners in Australia. Had two au pairs on his property. An au pair is a young foreign person, typically a woman, who helps with housework or childcare in exchange for food, a room, and some pocket money. And Greens party leader. Richardo Luiji Di Natale. The champion of humanity, in his own mind, paid them a massive $3.75 an hour to help with his family. Mind you on top of Richardo Luiji Di Natale’s $283,632 plus bonuses and quirks per year from the tax payer. He would also claim that massive $3.75 per hour for his nannies back on tax as he’s a mobile politician. His ad for the au pair read ….. “family of four is looking for an extra pair of hands around the place to entertain the lads [the couple have two boys] and help with cooking and general domestic duties". "Will take couples but weekly wage remains the same." That’s $150 a week for two people. Or $1.88 an hour each. Even if we disregard his hypocrisy in being critical of our nation and the land we live on. He’s even failing at being a communist. Which is what the Greens are. Richardo Luiji Di Natale is a hypocrite, a capitalist and he takes advantage of those on working visa’s as well as the Australian tax payer.         ..............

https://www.facebook.com/Aussie.Voter/?__xts__[0]=68.ARB8tOqKXpRCTREy7grWFQKDhEpqxd2JVq9P_lHxpuGOfNXb0ZORxCafS-fFzQJNVcjsFC26d9XXl7ecgAqH8SsvDWT9Y1blzALkSGXNEFurNDSr4SgzW3YOB7668ELGAkb7OEfiRFhAzXxywfU49p_wWPQnwHMfSbAgmAg1-9Cj1iAj04gmX8mvxawU9GOfsFJLKuHQ54wQp1LtRFifis7QImXEJJmKJInyVFS_n0GgGVWmzy2C5FN-KJzG2aSFP7TpX8UwCT2PNgFGCRsjK0_5_9TCck6mN0nEg0G9XhO4XKEDnKSlsqefRo6DreUmikEfi4Nsq7fuugW2lULTApa5L04qP7hGXLfy0Az6yfbPn5VG&__tn__=k*F&tn-str=k*F

disgraceful

good find sprint.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 7:29pm:

lol

Typical right wing thugs. Call themselves the Freedom of Speech party and suggest capsicum spray for people excersising their freedom of speech when they don;t agree with t.

A cliche so repeated, we've come to expect it.

mothra wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 7:59pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 7:29pm: lol Typical right wing thugs. Call themselves the Freedom of Speech party and suggest capsicum spray for people excersising their freedom of speech when they don;t agree with t. A cliche so repeated, we've come to expect it.

Would Baron rather see them shot?

Australians now regard the disgusting Greenies as Traitorous Scum after they caused the bush fires and burnt Australia to the ground!!!!!

https://i.postimg.cc/NMCpxmgM/adamb6-o.jpg
Disgusting Greenies are now loathed and hated by Australians

I remember after the Black Saturday bushfires in 2009 that many people living in the affected communities stating they had been restricted by their council regarding the vegetation they were allowed to clear from their land prior to the occurrence of the bushfires. The following article from 2009 was such an example:


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Fined for illegal clearing, family now feel vindicated They were labelled law breakers, fined $50,000 and left emotionally and financially drained. But seven years after the Sheahans bulldozed trees to make a fire break — an act that got them dragged before a magistrate and penalised — they feel vindicated. Their house is one of the few in Reedy Creek, Victoria, still standing. The Sheahans' 2004 court battle with the Mitchell Shire Council for illegally clearing trees to guard against fire, as well as their decision to stay at home and battle the weekend blaze, encapsulate two of the biggest issues arising from the bushfire tragedy. Do Victoria's native vegetation management policies need a major overhaul? And should families risk injury or death by staying home to fight the fire rather than fleeing? Anger at government policies stopping residents from cutting down trees and clearing scrub to protect their properties is already apparent. "We've lost two people in my family because you dickheads won't cut trees down," Warwick Spooner told Nillumbik Mayor Bo Bendtsen at a meeting on Tuesday night. Although Liam Sheahan's 2002 decision to disregard planning laws and bulldoze 250 trees on his hilltop property hurt his family financially and emotionally, he believes it helped save them and their home on the weekend. "The house is safe because we did all that," he said as he pointed out his kitchen window to the clear ground where tall gum trees once cast a shadow on his house. "We have got proof right here. We are the only house standing in a two-kilometre area." At least seven houses and several sheds on neighbouring properties along Thompson-Spur road in Reedy Creek were destroyed by Saturday night's blaze. Saving their home was no easy task. At 2pm on Saturday, Mr Sheahan saw the nearby hills ablaze. He knew what lay ahead when the predicted south-westerly change came. The family of four had discussed evacuation but decided their property was defensible, due largely to their decision to clear a fire break. It also helped that Mr Sheahan, his son Rowan and daughter Kirsten were all experienced members of the local CFA. "We prayed and we worked bloody hard. Our house was lit up eight times by the fire as the front passed," Mr Sheahan said. "The elements off our TV antenna melted. We lost a Land Rover, two Subarus, a truck and trailer and two sheds." Mr Sheahan is still angry about his prosecution, which cost him $100,000 in fines and legal fees. The council's planning laws allow trees to be cleared only when they are within six metres of a house. Mr Sheahan cleared trees up to 100 metres away from his house. "The council stood up in court and made us to look like the worst, wanton environmental vandals on the earth. We've got thousands of trees on our property. We cleared about 247," he said. He said the royal commission on the fires must result in changes to planning laws to allow land owners to clear trees and vegetation that pose a fire risk. "Both the major parties are pandering to the Greens for preferences and that is what is causing the problem. Common sense isn't that common these days," Mr Sheahan said. Melbourne University bushfire expert Kevin Tolhurst gave evidence to help the Sheahan family in their legal battle with the council. "Their fight went over nearly two years. The Sheahans were victimised. It wasn't morally right," he said yesterday. Dr Tolhurst told the Seymour Magistrates court that Mr Sheahan's clearing of the trees had reduced the fire risk to his house from extreme to moderate. "That their house is still standing is some natural justice for the Sheahans," he said. He said council vegetation management rules required re-writing. He also called on the State Government to provide clearer guidelines about when families should stay and defend their property. Houses in fire-prone areas should be audited by experts to advise owners whether their property is defensible, Dr Tolhurst said. Mr Sheahan said he wanted others to learn from his experience and offered an invitation for Government ministers to visit his property. He would also like his convictions overturned and fines repaid. "It would go a long way to making us feel better about the system. But I don't think it will happen."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/fined-for-illegal-clearing-family-now-feel-vindicated-20090212-85bd.html

https://furiousreviews.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/max-and-vincent.jpg

"Why didn't you change the laws to allow people to clear vegetation from their properties to prevent bushfires buring their homes?"

"That didn't cause their homes to be burnt. Electricity and Global Warming did!"

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 7:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 5:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 4:30pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 4:18pm: Still nobody can support the bullshit that the Greens are responsible for the fires....The LNP and ALP are in Government across Australia both Federal and State yet they take no responsibility for anything!!! Quote: Arguably as a result of more than $200 million in funding cuts by the NSW Coalition government since 2016, the total area treated with hazard reduction burns has been reduced by an average of 26 per cent. This has left more than 274,000 acres not subject to hazard reduction burns compared with a similar 3 year period before the budget cuts were enacted. Amidst one of the worst bushfire seasons in living memory, these budget cuts are now being felt by the people of NSW and the firefighters on the frontlines protecting people’s homes. >:( >:( >:( https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/9-top-story-of-2019-gladys-berejiklian-slashes-fire-service-budgets-while-nsw-burns,13441 https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/11/11/nsw-bushfires-budget-cut/ Typical of the retarded lefties who can't get their story straight. Crikey is looney leftist nonsense. [quote] Fact check: Is the NSW firefighting budget facing a $40 million cut? NSW Opposition Leader Jodi McKay says that the state's firefighting budget is facing a $40 million cut. The verdict Ms McKay's claim doesn't stack up. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-05/fact-check-are-nsw-firefighters-facing--budget-cuts/11747396 Forums seem to be busy with lefties peddling their bullshit must be school holidays again However I never cited the quote you posted did I....Typical of the right too misrepresent what was actually posted!!! ::) ::) ::)

What does your Crikey link say do you read the links you post?

The ABC debunks the bullshit from Crikey.[/quote]

Maybe you should learn to read and comprehend you dickhead....The links I posted where about past cuts not future cuts....The link you posted from the ABC fact checks a claim about future cuts not those that have already occurred....Are you claiming these cuts did not happen even though they are in the NSW State budget papers as listed in the links I posted....You are a deceitful prick mate but you are too stupid to be taken seriously!!!

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-06/national-parks-underfunded-former-ranger-warns/11282562

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 7:34pm:

cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:48am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:10am: Can someone show me some evidence that the greenies (who are not in power) caused the fires please? Spot they are in control of many local councils spot........ which councils in the bush fire affected regions are the greenies in control off?

Don't expect an answer from these parasites Greg....If the Liberal and Labor parties cannot do anything without the Greens giving their consent why doesn't everyone just vote Greens and get rid of the major parties who cower at the power of the Greens....The excuses and lack of responsibility shown by the Coalition shows they are not fit to be in charge of anything???


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A former NSW fire and rescue commissioner, Greg Mullins, has written this week that the hotter and drier conditions, and the higher fire danger ratings, were preventing agencies from carrying out prescribed burning. He said: “Blaming ‘greenies’ for stopping these important measures is a familiar, populist, but basically untrue claim.”

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction

Philly seems to be getting a swelled head and assuming he knows all when it is painfully obvious that he doesn't have a clue and is just parroting propaganda.

His aggro stuff is just a tactic to try to frighten off anyone who knows he is full of that stuff.  A Lefty know all is the pits.

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 7:34pm:

cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:48am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:10am: Can someone show me some evidence that the greenies (who are not in power) caused the fires please? Spot they are in control of many local councils spot........ which councils in the bush fire affected regions are the greenies in control off?

The question should be "Which councils had policies in place that restricted property owners from clearing vegetation away from their homes?"

minarchist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 2:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 7:34pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:48am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:10am: Can someone show me some evidence that the greenies (who are not in power) caused the fires please? Spot they are in control of many local councils spot........ which councils in the bush fire affected regions are the greenies in control off? The question should be "Which councils had policies in place that restricted property owners from clearing vegetation away from their homes?"

That is burning now . . .

Spot

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 12:06pm:

Don't expect an answer from these parasites Greg....If the Liberal and Labor parties cannot do anything without the Greens giving their consent why doesn't everyone just vote Greens and get rid of the major parties who cower at the power of the Greens....

I think that's faulty reasoning. If the Coalition has Federal control of the Lower House but Labor and the Greens have more than 50% of the senate seats, more than likely they have to compromise on legislation proposals to get bills passed. If the compromises are more in line with the views of The Green rather than the Coalition, or if the proposed bill gets rejected outright, most Liberal supporters are going to resent The Greens, not vote for them.

Then again, the German National Socialist Party pulled the same tactic and we all know how that went!

Thank the Lord Above that the Greeny controlled Labor Party did not get in and RESTART the BOATS!!!!!

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 2:27pm:

minarchist wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 2:26pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 7:34pm: cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:48am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:10am: Can someone show me some evidence that the greenies (who are not in power) caused the fires please? Spot they are in control of many local councils spot........ which councils in the bush fire affected regions are the greenies in control off? The question should be "Which councils had policies in place that restricted property owners from clearing vegetation away from their homes?" That is burning now . . . Spot

the whole country is almost burning   take your pick.......the Greens cant get into REAL POWER   so they ingrate themselves at local levels.. you do know they run the ACT dont you?...and have done since all the clearing has been the focal point..

The old Spotty is a lazy coot. Why doesn't he get onto Google and look up the councils ? Too hard  ? Can't smell Goohgle ?

You have to tread lightly when it comes to the Greens

many people have latched onto them in the hope they're the good guys

and many of the greens supporters are genuine and trying to help

They don't realise that the leadership of the Greens are OWNED, bought and paid for ACTORS leading the sheep to their doom via craftily scripted talkie talk

If you criticise the greens, their deluded supporters will stop listening

it's all crafted, planned, scripted with the green leadership playing so-concerned, so genuine

Not sure what will cause greens supporters to take a look around and realise they're being hoodwinked

maybe they'll never wake up

The media pushes the greens as the good guy alternative and keeps the green leaderships feet of clay well hidden from the poor public

minarchist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 2:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 12:06pm: Don't expect an answer from these parasites Greg....If the Liberal and Labor parties cannot do anything without the Greens giving their consent why doesn't everyone just vote Greens and get rid of the major parties who cower at the power of the Greens.... I think that's faulty reasoning. If the Coalition has Federal control of the Lower House but Labor and the Greens have more than 50% of the senate seats, more than likely they have to compromise on legislation proposals to get bills passed. If the compromises are more in line with the views of The Green rather than the Coalition, or if the proposed bill gets rejected outright, most Liberal supporters are going to resent The Greens, not vote for them. Then again, the German National Socialist Party pulled the same tactic and we all know how that went!

It was tongue in cheek mate....The Greens have no control over State and federal agencies and are far from controlling Local Government in all the fire affected areas....Blaming the Greens is right wing bullshit aimed at denying any responsibility and passing the buck....If the Greens had that much power surely they would use it too enact Green programs across the nation....They don't because it is a load of crap!!!

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PZ547 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 4:09pm:

You have to tread lightly when it comes to the Greens many people have latched onto them in the hope they're the good guys and many of the greens supporters are genuine and trying to help They don't realise that the leadership of the Greens are OWNED, bought and paid for ACTORS leading the sheep to their doom via craftily scripted talkie talk If you criticise the greens, their deluded supporters will stop listening it's all crafted, planned, scripted with the green leadership playing so-concerned, so genuine Not sure what will cause greens supporters to take a look around and realise they're being hoodwinked maybe they'll never wake up The media pushes the greens as the good guy alternative and keeps the green leaderships feet of clay well hidden from the poor public

Yes, they are quite a cult.





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Greens leader Richard Di Natale failed to declare his family farm in Victoria's Otway Ranges for 15 months, breaching parliamentary rules and potentially placing him in "serious contempt" of the Senate. And Senator Di Natale has paid three au pairs to help with his family as little as $150 a week after tax, or $3.75 an hour - based on a standard 40-hour week - as well as room and board worth $300 a week. He says he made up the difference and paid above minimum wage requirements [based on advice from a payroll services company] and by requiring only 25 hours of work a week.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/election-2016-greens-leader-richard-di-natale-fails-to-declare-home-pays-au-pairs-low-wage-20160519-goywxq.html

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-07-12-climate-change-hoax-collapses-new-science-cloud-cover.html?fbclid=IwAR0A6yWc_uJtrLB162V8ATj8ds_C4P8qYsrpTskLXSlbhfrczUq3AoTkRw8


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The climate change hoax has collapsed. A devastating series of research papers has just been published, revealing that human activity can account for no more than a .01°C rise in global temperatures, meaning that all the human activity targeted by radical climate change alarmists — combustion engines, airplane flights, diesel tractors — has virtually no measurable impact on the temperature of the planet. Finnish scientists spearheaded the research, releasing a paper entitled, “No Experimental Evidence for the Significant Anthropogenic Climate Change.” The paper explains that IPCC analysis of global temperatures suffers from a glaring error — namely, failure to account for “influences of low cloud cover” and how it impacts global temperatures. Natural variations in low cloud cover, which are strongly influenced by cosmic radiation’s ability to penetrate Earth’s atmosphere due to variations in the strength of our planet’s magnetosphere, account for nearly all changes in global temperature, the researchers explain. As this chart reveals, more cloud cover is inversely related to temperature. In other words, clouds shield the surface of the Earth from the sun, providing shade cover cooling, while a lack of clouds results in more warming:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 5:05pm:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-07-12-climate-change-hoax-collapses-new-science-cloud-cover.html?fbclid=IwAR0A6yWc_uJtrLB162V8ATj8ds_C4P8qYsrpTskLXSlbhfrczUq3AoTkRw8 Quote: The climate change hoax has collapsed. A devastating series of research papers has just been published, revealing that human activity can account for no more than a .01°C rise in global temperatures, meaning that all the human activity targeted by radical climate change alarmists — combustion engines, airplane flights, diesel tractors — has virtually no measurable impact on the temperature of the planet. Finnish scientists spearheaded the research, releasing a paper entitled, “No Experimental Evidence for the Significant Anthropogenic Climate Change.” The paper explains that IPCC analysis of global temperatures suffers from a glaring error — namely, failure to account for “influences of low cloud cover” and how it impacts global temperatures. Natural variations in low cloud cover, which are strongly influenced by cosmic radiation’s ability to penetrate Earth’s atmosphere due to variations in the strength of our planet’s magnetosphere, account for nearly all changes in global temperature, the researchers explain. As this chart reveals, more cloud cover is inversely related to temperature. In other words, clouds shield the surface of the Earth from the sun, providing shade cover cooling, while a lack of clouds results in more warming:

Perhaps you should read about the organisations you promote Sprint....Natural News is a conspiracy web site with zero credibility....The study they cited has also been discredited....Sorry to burst your bubble but you have been sucked in by fake news mate!!!


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Facebook bans health and conspiracy site Natural News Conspiracist founder compares Zuckerberg to Hitler, urges Trump to declare war.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/06/natural-news-hawker-of-vitamins-and-far-right-conspiracies-banned-from-facebook/


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Flawed Reasoning: The authors' argument claims a correlation between cloud cover/relative humidity and global temperature proves that the former caused the latter without investigating whether they have the relationship backwards. Inadequate support: The source of their claimed global cloud dataset is not given, and no research on their proposed mechanism for climate change is cited. Fails to provide correct physical explanation: The manuscript incorrectly claims that the rise of atmospheric carbon dioxide is caused by release from ocean waters. It also provides no explanation for the claim that an increase in relative humidity causes global cooling.

https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview/non-peer-reviewed-manuscript-falsely-claims-natural-cloud-changes-can-explain-global-warming/

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Turku-University-in-Finland-wrong-when-they-say-that-they-have-found-no-No-experimental-evidence-for-the-significant-anthropogenic-climate-change

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 5:37pm:

.Sorry to burst your bubble but you have been sucked in by fake news mate!!!

I have seen the criticism of the paper. One of them was that the model they used hadn't been validated. Strange that when none of the climate models have been validated. ;)

And the models still don't do clouds properly. And no-one know how much CO2 is outgassed by the oceans.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 3:06pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:45am: So nobody has any actual evidence that the greenies are to blame? Spot No they cannot because the claim is bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction

The chief accuser is Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce who says “greens policy” gets in the way “of many of the practicalities of fighting a fire and managing it”.


Among Joyce’s claims, made in several interviews this week, are that Greens policies have made hazard reduction activities more difficult.

This claim, just to be clear, is about the policies of a party that has never been in government.

Joyce also blamed the Greens for “paperwork” that made it harder to carry out hazard reduction activities.


“It’s not burning because they burnt off, it’s burning because they didn’t burn off,” Joyce told SkyNews.

According to Bradstock, Joyce’s claims are familiar but “without foundation.”

“It’s simply conspiracy stuff. It’s an obvious attempt to deflect the conversation away from climate change.”

A former NSW fire and rescue commissioner, Greg Mullins, has written this week that the hotter and drier conditions, and the higher fire danger ratings, were preventing agencies from carrying out prescribed burning.

He said: “Blaming ‘greenies’ for stopping these important measures is a familiar, populist, but basically untrue claim.”