Just kidding! This has never happened because the proponents of alternative theories on why the climate is changing which don't involve AGW are either unqualified scammers who know they will get their ass handed to them if they debate someone outside the idiot sphere echo chamber, or qualified researchers who know their theories lack the evidence to stand as credible alternate explanations.

;D ;D

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Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

Just kidding! This has never happened because the proponents of alternative theories on why the climate is changing which don't involve AGW are either unqualified scammers who know they will get their ass handed to them if they debate someone outside the idiot sphere echo chamber, or qualified researchers who know their theories lack the evidence to stand as credible alternate explanations.

The Pigs from Animal Farm have spoken.  NO alternative view of the world is permitted. Any disagreement is treason.


Well, you are all losers. There is no future in being blinkered enforcers of totalitarian climate dogma. 


Go an protest at he Chinese embassy in Canberra if you are really serious about CO2. You won't because you aren't.

@ Reply #3,

Good post/reasoned response, to 'argument' in OP, Frank.

That must be why they refuse to debate with sceptics. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"NASA climate scientist Gavin Schmidt refused to debate Roy Spencer, a skeptic climatologist at the University of Alabama-Huntsville, on Fox Business in 2013. Schmidt came on the show, but would not appear on TV simultaneously with Spencer."

https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/climate-alarmists-global-warming/

:)

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 10:04pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 9:33pm: Just kidding! This has never happened because the proponents of alternative theories on why the climate is changing which don't involve AGW are either unqualified scammers who know they will get their ass handed to them if they debate someone outside the idiot sphere echo chamber, or qualified researchers who know their theories lack the evidence to stand as credible alternate explanations. The Pigs from Animal Farm have spoken.  NO alternative view of the world is permitted. Any disagreement is treason.

Alternative theories are welcome, Just don't expect them to be given equivalency until they have equivalent probability based on evidence..

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 10:31pm:

Just don't expect them to be given equivalency until they have equivalent probability based on evidence..

You mean unlike CO2 theory. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 10:20pm:

That must be why they refuse to debate with sceptics. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nice work, I was a little worried you would actually be able to drag one up from somewhere. Bonus points for trying to spin the lack of debate into somehow supporting your position. BTW... Want some easy money? Happy to put some coin on the line on this topic. I think that the planet will be noticeably warmer in ten years than now. Happy to put some cash in Escrow to match any skeptics funds. If the planet warms in line with what the models predict, I keep the cash. If the temp drops or go sideways you keep it. Easy money right? unless you know your talking poo and don't want to put your money where you mouth is

Im guessing most of the skeptics here ain't raking it in (despite their enlightened world views) But im happy to go 40-50k in the tin if anyone wants to stand behind their opinions. If your only happy talking hunnies, thats fine. But I bet people who talk big don't have the confidence to actually put some skin in the game.

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 10:35pm:

lee wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 10:20pm: That must be why they refuse to debate with sceptics. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Nice work, I was a little worried you would actually be able to drag one up from somewhere. Bonus points for trying to spin the lack of debate into somehow supporting your position. BTW... Want some easy money? Happy to put some coin on the line on this topic. I think that the planet will be noticeably warmer in ten years than now. Happy to put some cash in Escrow to match any skeptics funds. If the planet warms in line with what the models predict, I keep the cash. If the temp drops or go sideways you keep it. Easy money right? unless you know your talking poo and don't want to put your money where you mouth is

Where do I place my bet?



The planet has not warmed in line of predictions so far.  If 'scientists'  (statisticians and computer modelers) were incorrect in the lat 40+ years with their models and predictions, what makes current (and very soon to be outdated) modelling and predictions correct and reliable?


There is FAR too much partisan bollocks masquerading as 'scientific prediction'.

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 10:44pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 10:35pm: lee wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 10:20pm: That must be why they refuse to debate with sceptics. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Nice work, I was a little worried you would actually be able to drag one up from somewhere. Bonus points for trying to spin the lack of debate into somehow supporting your position. BTW... Want some easy money? Happy to put some coin on the line on this topic. I think that the planet will be noticeably warmer in ten years than now. Happy to put some cash in Escrow to match any skeptics funds. If the planet warms in line with what the models predict, I keep the cash. If the temp drops or go sideways you keep it. Easy money right? unless you know your talking poo and don't want to put your money where you mouth is Where do I place my bet? The planet has not warmed in line of predictions so far.  If 'scientists'  (statisticians and computer modelers) were incorrect in the lat 40+ years with their models and predictions, what makes current (and very soon to be outdated) modelling and predictions correct and reliable? There is FAR too much partisan bollocks masquerading as 'scientific prediction'.

PM sent.

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 11:08pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 10:44pm: Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 10:35pm: lee wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 10:20pm: That must be why they refuse to debate with sceptics. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Nice work, I was a little worried you would actually be able to drag one up from somewhere. Bonus points for trying to spin the lack of debate into somehow supporting your position. BTW... Want some easy money? Happy to put some coin on the line on this topic. I think that the planet will be noticeably warmer in ten years than now. Happy to put some cash in Escrow to match any skeptics funds. If the planet warms in line with what the models predict, I keep the cash. If the temp drops or go sideways you keep it. Easy money right? unless you know your talking poo and don't want to put your money where you mouth is Where do I place my bet? The planet has not warmed in line of predictions so far.  If 'scientists'  (statisticians and computer modelers) were incorrect in the lat 40+ years with their models and predictions, what makes current (and very soon to be outdated) modelling and predictions correct and reliable? There is FAR too much partisan bollocks masquerading as 'scientific prediction'. PM sent.

Ta.
Who decides? How?

lee wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 10:30pm:

"NASA climate scientist Gavin Schmidt refused to debate Roy Spencer, a skeptic climatologist at the University of Alabama-Huntsville, on Fox Business in 2013. Schmidt came on the show, but would not appear on TV simultaneously with Spencer." https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/climate-alarmists-global-warming/ :)

Spencer is an advisor to the Cornwall Alliance, formerly the Interfaith Steward Alliance (ISA), an evangelical Christian group that claims environmentalism is “one of the greatest threats to society and the church today.” He has done work with other religious groups denying climate change including the Evangelical Climate Initiative. [2], [3], [4]

According to “Global Warming 101,” a section of Spencer's website, “the extra carbon dioxide we pump into the atmosphere is not enough to cause the observed warming in the last 100 years.” [5]

lee wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 10:32pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 10:31pm: Just don't expect them to be given equivalency until they have equivalent probability based on evidence.. You mean unlike CO2 theory. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No theory, the Laws of Thermodynamics apply.

Look up the difference between a theory and a Law and get back to us.

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

Just kidding! This has never happened because the proponents of alternative theories on why the climate is changing which don't involve AGW are either unqualified scammers who know they will get their ass handed to them if they debate someone outside the idiot sphere echo chamber, or qualified researchers who know their theories lack the evidence to stand as credible alternate explanations.

An insight into the minds of the sheeple....!

Well then what about this.............??

https://i.ibb.co/n7bPSFG/MM5.jpg

https://www.thegwpf.com/media-ignores-michael-manns-court-loss-it-doesnt-fit-the-warmist-agenda/

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Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012

Warming by the end of this century

IPCC computer models  in 1990 projected warming………................+2.78° C / end of this Century

Observations of nature the last 29 years suggest a warming of........+1.07° C / end of this Century


https://i.ibb.co/tLMwHk3/bullshitcomputermodel.jpg

So we don't have to give billions of tax payer dollars over to the oligarchy controlled United Nations and the stock market.

It will only warm up by 1°C end of this century.

That means we can spend this money on roads, schools, hospitals, projects here in Australia instead of lining the elite (1%) pockets.

No need to do anything...............!!!

Ajax wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 7:53am:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 9:33pm: Just kidding! This has never happened because the proponents of alternative theories on why the climate is changing which don't involve AGW are either unqualified scammers who know they will get their ass handed to them if they debate someone outside the idiot sphere echo chamber, or qualified researchers who know their theories lack the evidence to stand as credible alternate explanations. An insight into the minds of the sheeple....! Well then what about this.............?? https://i.ibb.co/n7bPSFG/MM5.jpg https://www.thegwpf.com/media-ignores-michael-manns-court-loss-it-doesnt-fit-the-warmist-agenda/

ahhaahhaaaaaa!

An isight into the mind of a climate denier!!!  Where he gets his science from!!!

Global Warming Policy Foundation

The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) is the United Kingdom's most high-profile climate denier group. It opposes action to mitigate climate change. Founded by Nigel Lawson,[1] it is a registered educational charity "deeply concerned about the costs and other implications of many of the policies currently being advocated" to mitigate global warming.[2]

These are AJAX's 'science' suppliers!

US Donors Gave $177k to UK Climate Science Denying Global Warming Policy Foundation

"The UK’s premier climate science denial campaign group, the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), received hundreds of thousands of dollars of US donations in 2017, recently published tax returns show.

The money was received at a time when the GWPF was allegedly coordinating with eight other right-wing thinktanks based in and around offices at 55 Tufton Street to push for a hard Brexit.

Another of the groups, the Taxpayers’ Alliance, received at least $286,000 (£223,300) from US-based donors in the last five years, the Guardian recently revealed — raising concerns about the influence of foreign money at a time when lobby groups are pushing to cut regulation to secure trade deals with major polluters such as India, China and the US.

Public tax returns filed by the GWPF’s US-fundraising arm, American Friends of the GWPF, show the organisation received $177,001 in grants and gifts in 2017 (worth approximately £137,900 at the time of writing). That includes a single $124,884 donation (worth approximately £97,265), according to the documents."

Looks like AJAX is sucking on the teet of Exxon!

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Michael Manns hockey stick is bullshit......!!!

Courts threw it out as a sham and ordered him to pay costs.

Once upon a time you used to pull it up show us how we have warmed didn't you.

Kiss the hockey stick good bye....numb nuts......... :-*

Random is a United Nations shill.

Come on boy how much are they payenya.....???

Big TIT that UN lots of gravy to be had....!

More about AJAXs friends ...


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"900 papers" claim; subsequent analysis shows Exxon ties, Energy and Environment papers

"In mid-April 2011, the GWPF provided "900+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism Of "Man-Made" Global Warming (AGW) Alarm".[19] The blog Carbon Brief analyzed them, and found that -

9 of the top 10 authors had ties to ExxonMobil "prominent scientists featured on the list didn't agree that their work supported skepticism about anthropogenic global warming - and had unsuccessfully asked for their work to be removed from similar lists in the past", and the most-cited journal was Energy and Environment, a journal with a very low impact factor whose editors are AGW deniers.[20]"

What a pack of lying kkunts they are.  They should be put in prison for fraud.

and still more brought to you by: http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/avatars/UserAvatars/Ajax.gif

Sponsored by: 

The GWPF is located at 1 Carlton House Terrace, London, in a room rented from the Institute of Materials, Minerals and Mining.[1]

Can you faarrking believe that!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/b5/39/9fb5392a6d63ce38bcd4cfb3b63604f8.jpg

People like you should be in jail for spreading fear and bullshit amongst the sheeple.

You should be JAILED...............!!

Warming by the end of this century

IPCC computer models  in 1990 projected warming………................+2.78° C / end of this Century

Observations of nature the last 29 years suggest a warming of........+1.07° C / end of this Century


https://i.ibb.co/tLMwHk3/bullshitcomputermodel.jpg

So we don't have to give billions of tax payer dollars over to the oligarchy controlled United Nations and the stock market.

It will only warm up by 1°C end of this century.

That means we can spend this money on roads, schools, hospitals, projects here in Australia instead of lining the elite (1%) pockets.

No need to do anything...............!!!

AJAX's sponsors, The GWPF is located at 1 Carlton House Terrace, London, in a room rented from the Institute of Materials, Minerals and Mining.[1]

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https://i.ibb.co/ctm180N/lost-70-percent-of-greenhouse-energy-sml.gif

hhahahahaaaa

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random wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 8:55am:

hhahahahaaaa

Temperature has been increasing since the little ice age.

When the Earth warms natural sinks degas more CO2 into the atmosphere.

The increase in atmospheric CO2 falls more in line with natural sinks degassing rather than what man is emitting.

Mans emissions are a very small percentage of the natural CO2, so small they wouldn't even register in the error margin.

Back to the drawing board numb nuts.

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random wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 6:11am:

lee wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 10:30pm: "NASA climate scientist Gavin Schmidt refused to debate Roy Spencer, a skeptic climatologist at the University of Alabama-Huntsville, on Fox Business in 2013. Schmidt came on the show, but would not appear on TV simultaneously with Spencer." https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/climate-alarmists-global-warming/ :) Spencer is an advisor to the Cornwall Alliance, formerly the Interfaith Steward Alliance (ISA), an evangelical Christian group that claims environmentalism is “one of the greatest threats to society and the church today.” He has done work with other religious groups denying climate change including the Evangelical Climate Initiative. [2], [3], [4] According to “Global Warming 101,” a section of Spencer's website, “the extra carbon dioxide we pump into the atmosphere is not enough to cause the observed warming in the last 100 years.” [5]

And according to ice core data and the IPCC's ECS of 4.5C, he is right. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

random wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 6:13am:

lee wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 10:32pm: Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 10:31pm: Just don't expect them to be given equivalency until they have equivalent probability based on evidence.. You mean unlike CO2 theory. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No theory, the Laws of Thermodynamics apply. Look up the difference between a theory and a Law and get back to us.

Is that why the models are wrong? ;D ;D ;D ;D

random wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 8:08am:

Ajax wrote on Dec 28th, 2019 at 7:53am: Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 9:33pm: Just kidding! This has never happened because the proponents of alternative theories on why the climate is changing which don't involve AGW are either unqualified scammers who know they will get their ass handed to them if they debate someone outside the idiot sphere echo chamber, or qualified researchers who know their theories lack the evidence to stand as credible alternate explanations. An insight into the minds of the sheeple....! Well then what about this.............?? https://i.ibb.co/n7bPSFG/MM5.jpg https://www.thegwpf.com/media-ignores-michael-manns-court-loss-it-doesnt-fit-the-warmist-agenda/ ahhaahhaaaaaa! An isight into the mind of a climate denier!!!  Where he gets his science from!!! Global Warming Policy Foundation The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) is the United Kingdom's most high-profile climate denier group. It opposes action to mitigate climate change. Founded by Nigel Lawson,[1] it is a registered educational charity "deeply concerned about the costs and other implications of many of the policies currently being advocated" to mitigate global warming.[2]

Poor randy. Likes to shoot the messenger. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 11:27am:

random wrote on Dec 28th, 2019 at 8:08am: Ajax wrote on Dec 28th, 2019 at 7:53am: Pho Huc wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 9:33pm: Just kidding! This has never happened because the proponents of alternative theories on why the climate is changing which don't involve AGW are either unqualified scammers who know they will get their ass handed to them if they debate someone outside the idiot sphere echo chamber, or qualified researchers who know their theories lack the evidence to stand as credible alternate explanations. An insight into the minds of the sheeple....! Well then what about this.............?? https://i.ibb.co/n7bPSFG/MM5.jpg https://www.thegwpf.com/media-ignores-michael-manns-court-loss-it-doesnt-fit-the-warmist-agenda/ ahhaahhaaaaaa! An isight into the mind of a climate denier!!!  Where he gets his science from!!! Global Warming Policy Foundation The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) is the United Kingdom's most high-profile climate denier group. It opposes action to mitigate climate change. Founded by Nigel Lawson,[1] it is a registered educational charity "deeply concerned about the costs and other implications of many of the policies currently being advocated" to mitigate global warming.[2] Poor randy. Likes to shoot the messenger. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The foundation of science is the quality of the messenger.  But shills ignore that and distribute lies from offices rented from Exxon.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

random wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 3:17pm:

The foundation of science is the quality of the messenger.

No petal - it is the quality of the message. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 3:25pm:

random wrote on Dec 28th, 2019 at 3:17pm: The foundation of science is the quality of the messenger. No petal - it is the quality of the message. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Not the last time I checked, not what they taught me at school.  But lying shill kunntts want people to believe shiny messages from lie factories setup in dingy offices paid for by Exxon.  Like you do.

Doesn't matter, when the poo really hits the fan, shills like you will be rounded up, charged and imprisoned for crimes against humanity.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/okAlhGemNgQ/hqdefault.jpg

random wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 3:38pm:

Not the last time I checked, not what they taught me at school.

They taught you at school? I thought when they said we can't teach you anything, you took as you knew it all and left. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So what you are telling us if a teacher said something that was wrong according to the text book, the teacher was right. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


random wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 3:38pm:

Doesn't matter, when the poo really hits the fan, shills like you will be rounded up, charged and imprisoned for crimes against humanity.

The uN Security Council where one veto from a permanent member makes it a non-event? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

random wrote on Dec 28th, 2019 at 3:38pm: The uN Security Council where one veto from a permanent member makes it a non-event? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Climate denial will be a crime soon, the moves are already starting.  They will sacrifice the slaves and the sponsors will get off free.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/prison-guard-wearing-handcuffs-prisoner-129292449.jpg

Poor petal. His schooling was so lacking. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I really thought there would be at least one qualified atmospheric scientist somewhere who was debating  another climate scientist trying to say AGW wasn't the best explanation. Its just trolls Lee and Ajax though. I guess there truly is no scientific debate on this issue. Its just dickheads on the internet who have no lives that think AGW is a scam.

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 30^th, 2019 at 12:55pm:

Its just trolls Lee and Ajax though. I guess there truly is no scientific debate on this issue

That must be why climate sceintists ^TM refuse to debate sceptics.

Poor Pho Hoc. just another troll with pretensions. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D