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President Trump seems open to
accepting dirt on his opponents
from foreign governments.
Is that against the law?


Source:      CBS NEWS      
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Democrats – and a handful of Republicans — have plenty of words to rebuke President's Trump assertion that he might welcome information from a foreign government that would damage his political opponents. "Dangerous, appalling, unethical, unpatriotic," House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff said. The president "does not know right from wrong," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared. But is it illegal? Not necessarily, election law experts say. Even Sen. Lindsey Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, wasn't totally sure Thursday. Graham said he thought it was already illegal, but would be willing to support more explicit legislation, if necessary. "I think it already is — I think that I'm willing to make it clear if we need to," he told reporters Thursday, asked if there should be legislation to make it explicitly illegal to accept opposition information from a foreign entity. Federal law prohibits a federal entity — be it a foreign national or foreign government — from giving campaign contributions to U.S. candidates and campaigns. And it prohibits campaigns and candidates from accepting such contributions. "It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election; a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication; or a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation ... from a foreign national," federal law reads. But the issue of accepting damaging information from a foreign entity — and whether it can be legally considered a "thing of value" — is murkier. "Unfortunately, it's complicated," said Edward Foley, director of Election Law at Moritz at Ohio State University's law school. "You know I think it's a difficult question. I'm not so sure that the statutes that are on the books actually would prohibit this. And certainly they don't get at the underlying problem," said James Gardner, a professor at University At Buffalo School of Law who specializes in constitutional and election law. Federal campaign finance law clearly prohibits receiving contributions from a foreign entity, and the judicial system has upheld that concept, Foley said. The Federal Election Commission's chair, Ellen Weintraub, looked to clarify the issue through a statement she issued on Twitter Thursday night. But whether the receipt of opposition research constitutes a violation is more complicated, and runs into First Amendment issues associated with prosecuting such an action, Foley said. Gardner said he doesn't think the Federal Election Campaign Act "was aimed at this kind of a problem." That law was created so campaigns and elected officials wouldn't be beholden to foreign governments, Gardner said. "I'm not sure that the exchange of information is really what that's aimed at," Gardner said. It's arguable that opposition research could constitute an in-kind donation, something of monetary value. After all, campaigns pay for opposition research from American entities, Foley and Gardner noted. "If you're handed opposition research for free, yes, it looks a lot like being given a gift that you would otherwise pay for," Gardner said. But that still could be a tough argument to make in court. "There are no bright lines here," Gardner added. And simply having a conversation with a foreign entity isn't criminal, and it's arguably subjective when information becomes substantive enough to constitute a donation. "If a foreign ambassador happens to see a presidential candidate at a cocktail party in Washington and happens to just have a discussion about the race and what would be wise strategy, I think it would be harder to claim that that violates federal campaign law," Foley said. In short, it's a murky area of law that could use some clarity. "How would that clarity come about? One would be Congress trying to write a statute," Foley said. But even creating a new statute runs into likely First Amendment issues. "I think there's going to be inevitable murkiness no matter what," Foley said.....

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.....Sen. Mark Warner, the Democratic vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has introduced legislation requiring candidates to report attempts at foreign elections interference — the Foreign Influence Reporting in Elections (FIRE) Act. But it's unclear if that legislation or any other similar legislation would make it through the Republican-controlled Senate. Trump ally and Republican Sen. Marsha Blackburn shot down the bill when it came up for a vote by unanimous consent on Thursday. Foley and Gardner said the issue may not be fully solvable by law, and might end up being decided by the candidate and the voters. "That's a question you know ultimately I don't think that can really be addressed by law. It's a question of the personal ethics of the candidate," Foley said. "What kind of a candidate wants to accept help from a foreign government that is trying to influence the outcome of a U.S. election?" Foley added. Even if a new law were enacted prohibiting the acceptance of damaging information from foreign entities, Gardner didn't know how it could be effective. "Even if you were to enact a law that very clearly and specifically targeted this behavior would it be effective? I don't know," Gardner said. "If the campaign doesn't get this information, somebody else will. … I'm not sure, information travels so freely in today's world that it's going to be very difficult to stick your finger in that dike in a way that is effective."

Like it or not the law on the books was not written concerning this type of issue, & the law is quite vague about what might be legal & what isn't. Most legal experts say that finding guilt in a court of law, when applied to 12 jurors, based on a "beyond a reasonable doubt"  test, that it would be almost impossible to get a unanimous verdict, if not totally impossible.  ;)

If the people think that this type of issue is so important to safeguard against, then it falls at Congresses feet to pass new bipartisan legislation that directly addresses the issues at hand.......then get the President to sign the legislation into law, so in the future everyone would know what is legal & what is not.....leaving no doubt whatsoever.

Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply!

If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all!

Richdude wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 12:28am:

Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all!

Hillary got dirt from a foreign state?

Do tell, dear.

Karnal wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:38am:

Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear.

oh dear ,

ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ?

again found out of your depth ? keep trying ,

so fun to watch and expose as much

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It's not against the rules IF you pay for it.

It becomes an issue when it's offered to you or you solicit it for free as a thing of value, and then it becomes a campaign contribution which is illegal (in terms of a foreign entity).

The system is bullshit and it shouldn't be allowed at all, but that's the very top level explanation.

Trump with Russia and Ukraine both times sought and received this information and being the cheap bastard he is, his team never paid for it.  Then he continued to openly solicit further information and contributions from them and other countries, it's not a good look.

The cover-up thereafter, the obstruction, the lies, it's just layers upon layers...

It's getting more obvious how bad this is by the reactions and attempts like this by those who support Trump to try and defend him.

KangAnon wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:42am:

It's not against the rules IF you pay for it. It becomes an issue when it's offered to you or you solicit it for free as a thing of value, and then it becomes a campaign contribution which is illegal (in terms of a foreign entity). The system is bullshit and it shouldn't be allowed at all, but that's the very top level explanation. Trump with Russia and Ukraine both times sought and received this information and being the cheap bastard he is, his team never paid for it.  Then he continued to openly solicit further information and contributions from them and other countries, it's not a good look. The cover-up thereafter, the obstruction, the lies, it's just layers upon layers... It's getting more obvious how bad this is by the reactions and attempts like this by those who support Trump to try and defend him.

more rubbish from another old nag with the blinkers on ..

unbackable donkey in the 5th at Randwick

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:42am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. oh dear , ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ? again found out of your depth ? keep trying , so fun to watch and expose as much ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯

I most certainly have, dear. Is Steele a foreign government?

I'm curious.

Karnal wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:44am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. oh dear , ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ? again found out of your depth ? keep trying , so fun to watch and expose as much ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ I most certainly have, dear. Is Steele a foreign government? I'm curious.

well let us expose more of your ignorance by all means ,

where did Steele get HIS information from beloved ?

let us remember , even CNN was forced to report some facts on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLMVhSha6_0

Clinton campaign, DNC helped fund dossier research


as every avid student knows

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it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:42am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. oh dear , ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ? again found out of your depth ? keep trying , so fun to watch and expose as much ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯

That wasn't an illegal campaign contribution though as it was commissioned, bought and paid for as oppo research.

I don't think they should be allowed to do that using foreign resources, but currently, if they pay for it, it doesn't fall under the category of a campaign contribution and is therefore not against the law.

But it does bring up an interesting point, you and those like you Light have been attacking Hillary for the Steele Dossier yet all of the arguments you've used, you don't apply to Trump over Ukraine and Russia, why is that?

KangAnon wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:54am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. oh dear , ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ? again found out of your depth ? keep trying , so fun to watch and expose as much ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ That wasn't an illegal campaign contribution though as it was commissioned, bought and paid for as oppo research. I don't think they should be allowed to do that using foreign resources, but currently, if they pay for it, it doesn't fall under the category of a campaign contribution and is therefore not against the law. But it does bring up an interesting point, you and those like you Light have been attacking Hillary for the Steele Dossier yet all of the arguments you've used, you don't apply to Trump over Ukraine and Russia, why is that?

you are interrupting the beloved one, dear

we shall await and watch ..

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:44am:

KangAnon wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: It's not against the rules IF you pay for it. It becomes an issue when it's offered to you or you solicit it for free as a thing of value, and then it becomes a campaign contribution which is illegal (in terms of a foreign entity). The system is bullshit and it shouldn't be allowed at all, but that's the very top level explanation. Trump with Russia and Ukraine both times sought and received this information and being the cheap bastard he is, his team never paid for it.  Then he continued to openly solicit further information and contributions from them and other countries, it's not a good look. The cover-up thereafter, the obstruction, the lies, it's just layers upon layers... It's getting more obvious how bad this is by the reactions and attempts like this by those who support Trump to try and defend him. more rubbish from another old nag with the blinkers on .. unbackable donkey in the 5th at Randwick

If you'd like to cite any regulation that states otherwise, be my guest, otherwise, you can take your bullshit claims and waste them on others.

You talk a big game and make all these claims about other posters but you never, ever, back these up.

It seems like another case of "I want the rules to be one way, so I will attack anyone who disagrees, even if they're right".

Classic defeatist behaviour.

KangAnon wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 8:00am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:44am: KangAnon wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: It's not against the rules IF you pay for it. It becomes an issue when it's offered to you or you solicit it for free as a thing of value, and then it becomes a campaign contribution which is illegal (in terms of a foreign entity). The system is bullshit and it shouldn't be allowed at all, but that's the very top level explanation. Trump with Russia and Ukraine both times sought and received this information and being the cheap bastard he is, his team never paid for it.  Then he continued to openly solicit further information and contributions from them and other countries, it's not a good look. The cover-up thereafter, the obstruction, the lies, it's just layers upon layers... It's getting more obvious how bad this is by the reactions and attempts like this by those who support Trump to try and defend him. more rubbish from another old nag with the blinkers on .. unbackable donkey in the 5th at Randwick If you'd like to cite any regulation that states otherwise, be my guest, otherwise, you can take your bullshit claims and waste them on others. You talk a big game and make all these claims about other posters but you never, ever, back these up. It seems like another case of "I want the rules to be one way, so I will attack anyone who disagrees, even if they're right". Classic defeatist behaviour.

we are having a discussion and the sad one barges in and wants to confuse the narrative


classic obfuscationalistical behaviour ..

we are discussing this remark from the beloved one


Karnal wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:38am:

Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear.

and you come in here throwing a tantrum .. oh dear ,

KangAnon wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:54am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. oh dear , ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ? again found out of your depth ? keep trying , so fun to watch and expose as much ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ That wasn't an illegal campaign contribution though as it was commissioned, bought and paid for as oppo research. I don't think they should be allowed to do that using foreign resources, but currently, if they pay for it, it doesn't fall under the category of a campaign contribution and is therefore not against the law. But it does bring up an interesting point, you and those like you Light have been attacking Hillary for the Steele Dossier yet all of the arguments you've used, you don't apply to Trump over Ukraine and Russia, why is that?

Hillary paid for a fabricated dossier of LIES , exposed by the Mueller report

go right ahead and explain your further confusion ..

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:45am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:44am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. oh dear , ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ? again found out of your depth ? keep trying , so fun to watch and expose as much ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ I most certainly have, dear. Is Steele a foreign government? I'm curious. well let us expose more of your ignorance by all means , where did Steele get HIS information from beloved ?

Spies, I think. You?

Karnal wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 8:38am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:45am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:44am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. oh dear , ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ? again found out of your depth ? keep trying , so fun to watch and expose as much ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ I most certainly have, dear. Is Steele a foreign government? I'm curious. well let us expose more of your ignorance by all means , where did Steele get HIS information from beloved ? Spies, I think. You?

Spies you say beloved eh ?

what Spies are them and those ..?

from where do these Spies hold fealty and loyalty unto mayhaps ?

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 8:09am:

KangAnon wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 8:00am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:44am: KangAnon wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: It's not against the rules IF you pay for it. It becomes an issue when it's offered to you or you solicit it for free as a thing of value, and then it becomes a campaign contribution which is illegal (in terms of a foreign entity). The system is bullshit and it shouldn't be allowed at all, but that's the very top level explanation. Trump with Russia and Ukraine both times sought and received this information and being the cheap bastard he is, his team never paid for it.  Then he continued to openly solicit further information and contributions from them and other countries, it's not a good look. The cover-up thereafter, the obstruction, the lies, it's just layers upon layers... It's getting more obvious how bad this is by the reactions and attempts like this by those who support Trump to try and defend him. more rubbish from another old nag with the blinkers on .. unbackable donkey in the 5th at Randwick If you'd like to cite any regulation that states otherwise, be my guest, otherwise, you can take your bullshit claims and waste them on others. You talk a big game and make all these claims about other posters but you never, ever, back these up. It seems like another case of "I want the rules to be one way, so I will attack anyone who disagrees, even if they're right". Classic defeatist behaviour. we are having a discussion and the sad one barges in and wants to confuse the narrative

I answered the question that forms the basis of the thread,

"Is getting dirt from a foreign entity illegal?"

If you don't like the answer, that's not my fault, I didn't mean to trigger you.

Panther wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 11:10pm:

President Trump seems open to accepting dirt on his opponents from foreign governments. Is that against the law?

Completely and utterly irrelevant.

A President doesn't have to break the law in order to be impeached.

You know very little about the American political system, don't you?

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 8:53am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 8:38am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:45am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:44am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. oh dear , ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ? again found out of your depth ? keep trying , so fun to watch and expose as much ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ I most certainly have, dear. Is Steele a foreign government? I'm curious. well let us expose more of your ignorance by all means , where did Steele get HIS information from beloved ? Spies, I think. You? Spies you say beloved eh ? what Spies are them and those ..? from where do these Spies hold fealty and loyalty unto mayhaps ?

Russia, I believe. Some are exiled in England.

But I'm curious. Are you suggesting such research should not be undertaken and provided to your dear children?

Karnal wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 10:34am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 8:53am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 8:38am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:45am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:44am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. oh dear , ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ? again found out of your depth ? keep trying , so fun to watch and expose as much ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ I most certainly have, dear. Is Steele a foreign government? I'm curious. well let us expose more of your ignorance by all means , where did Steele get HIS information from beloved ? Spies, I think. You? Spies you say beloved eh ? what Spies are them and those ..? from where do these Spies hold fealty and loyalty unto mayhaps ? Russia, I believe. Some are exiled in England. But I'm curious. Are you suggesting such research should not be undertaken and provided to your dear children?

so you are saying Clinton Paid Russian Spies to Fabricate Non Factual fairytales and disinfo to program the American People beloved  ?

please go on, we must explore further your admission here ..

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 10:47am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 10:34am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 8:53am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 8:38am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:45am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:44am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:42am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. oh dear , ever heard of the steele dossier beloved ? again found out of your depth ? keep trying , so fun to watch and expose as much ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ I most certainly have, dear. Is Steele a foreign government? I'm curious. well let us expose more of your ignorance by all means , where did Steele get HIS information from beloved ? Spies, I think. You? Spies you say beloved eh ? what Spies are them and those ..? from where do these Spies hold fealty and loyalty unto mayhaps ? Russia, I believe. Some are exiled in England. But I'm curious. Are you suggesting such research should not be undertaken and provided to your dear children? so you are saying Clinton Paid Russian Spies to Fabricate Non Factual fairytales and disinfo to program the American People beloved  ? please go on, we must explore further your admission here ..

No, dear, I'm suggesting the Washington Free Beacon, a pro-Republican news site, paid Fusion GPS, a Washington-based strategic intelligence firm. A Democrat lawyer heard about this and contracted them as well. Fusion GPS then hired Steele to do the job.

The Clinton campaign said they had no idea about the dossier. No DNC funds were used. Steele had no idea about the Dems.


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In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier. DNC officials denied knowing their attorney had contracted with Fusion GPS, and Steele asserted he was not aware the Clinton campaign was the recipient of his research until months after he contracted with Fusion GPS.[10][11]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier

But that's irrelevant. Fusion GPS and David Steele were not acting on behalf of foreign states.

Mr Trump's team, on the other hand, met directly with agents of the Russian government to get dirt on Hillary. Mr Trump publicly asked Putin to release Hillary's hacked emails. Roger Stone, Mr Trump's close friend and self-described "dirty trickster", contacted Wikileaks and gave confidential polling data to agents of the Russian government. The Russians passed this onto a team of Russians they had working in support of Mr Trump.

The same Russians have since spread the story that the Ukraine did it. Cunning, no? 

So again, dear one. I'm curious. How do you see any parallel between these two actions?

so Steel was commissioned to construct a Dossier paid for by by Fusion GPS and Madam Cyberhack  ...

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/782908119/fusion-gps-founders-on-russian-efforts-to-sow-discord-they-have-succeeded


Quote:

My guests are the founders of Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch. They're former Wall Street Journal reporters. Some of the Russians who surfaced in the Trump investigation were people Simpson and Fritsch had reported on at The Wall Street Journal while investigating Russian corruption and organized crime. Simpson and Fritsch have written a new book called "Crime In Progress" about their investigation into Trump, its impact and Republican attempts to discredit Fusion GPS and the Steele dossier. Glenn Simpson, Peter Fritsch, welcome to FRESH AIR. What were some of the findings in your report and in the Steele dossier that you consider to be the most important early warnings of Donald Trump's ties to Russia? PETER FRITSCH: The truth is Chris Steele came into this project about nine months in. We started looking at Donald Trump and his relationship to Russia as part of a much broader project, which was looking at Donald Trump's business career. As has been reported, we first started working for Republicans. About nine months in, we started working with Chris Steele. Now, we saw a lot in the early going that caused us to have concerns about Donald Trump's relationship with Russia. On Nov. 1, 2016, according to the documents, the FBI told Steele it was unlikely to continue working with him, and he should not "obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI."

yes because Fusion GPS paid for the fabricated dirt , any urine soaked checks yet ??

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/25/hillary-clintons-campaign-and-dnc-helped-fund-trump-russia-inquiry

Report: Clinton campaign and DNC helped fund Trump-Russia Steele dossier


Quote:

The revelation is likely to fuel complaints by Trump that the dossier, which the president has derided as “phony stuff”, is a politically motivated collection of salacious claims. Yet the FBI has worked to corroborate the document, and in a sign of its ongoing relevance to investigators, special counsel Robert Mueller’s team – which is investigating potential coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign – weeks ago questioned the former British spy, Christopher Steele, who helped compile the claims in the dossier. The dossier, which circulated in Washington last year and was turned over to the FBI for its review, contends that Russia was engaged in a longstanding effort to aid Trump and had amassed compromising information about him. Trump has repeatedly dismissed the document as false and in recent days has questioned on Twitter whether Democrats or the FBI had helped fund it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-dossier-author-talks-senate-intel-committee-n808401

WASHINGTON — Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence operative who authored a 35-page dossier alleging that the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia, has been in talks with the Senate Intelligence Committee about speaking to its leaders, three sources familiar with the situation told NBC News.

In a development first reported on "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Thursday night, the sources disputed the characterization of the situation by Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., the chairman of the intelligence committee. Burr said this week that Steele had flatly declined the committee's offer to speak to him, and the committee thus had "hit a brick wall" in its attempts to investigate the dossier.

One source close to Steele said that in late September, Steele relayed to Washington, through an associate, that Steele in fact would be happy to meet with Burr and Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the committee's ranking Democrat.

Two other sources said the situation was "more complicated" than portrayed by Burr during a news conference Wednesday.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 10:13am:

Panther wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 11:10pm: President Trump seems open to accepting dirt on his opponents from foreign governments. Is that against the law? Completely and utterly irrelevant. A President doesn't have to break the law in order to be impeached. You know very little about the American political system, don't you?

And lil Peccahead, the US President Donald Trump can be impeached six ways to Sunday by the partisan democ-RAT controlled 'kangaroo court' House of Representatives.....but, he will still be the President of the United States of America, hardly worse for wear,  after they impeach him, & when they present their contrived 'Articles of Impeachment' to the Republican controlled United States Senate, they will see how far those partisan 'Articles of Impeachment' get.............if they aren't thrown out of the Senate Chambers simply because they are nothing more than partisan accusations that have no merit, & certainly no chance of getting the SUPER-MAJORITY vote required to remove the President.....simply meaning Pecca, you will just have to endure awash in butt-hurt crocodile tears as he remains President of the United States of America, exposing first how much of a sham their partisan impeachment farce of false accusations was, & how it got it's unheralded cremation at the hands of the Republicans, who will summarily dispose of those false accusations......with or without a political 'trial'. ;D ;D ;D

https://i.imgur.com/AAJYols.gif
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Panther wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 10:13am: Panther wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 11:10pm: President Trump seems open to accepting dirt on his opponents from foreign governments. Is that against the law? Completely and utterly irrelevant. A President doesn't have to break the law in order to be impeached. You know very little about the American political system, don't you? And lil Peccahead, the US President Donald Trump can be impeached ...

... without breaking the law.

Correct.

Strange you didn't know that before.

Oh well, I've taught you something.

You can thank me later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OALP7djPMDA

Clinton has lied repeatedly about funding the dossier: Kennedy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNK4_SkIJfU

Potential legal implications from Trump dossier scandal


BOTH Debbie Wasserman Shultz and John Pedo Podesta , BOTH Hillary Officials , DENIED they had anything to do with the Fake and Phony Dossier .. a total and calculated LIE

that allowed the fake dossier to continue with concerned traction in the Fake News Matrix , when it was all a set up from the start

Legal Implications ????

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 4:05pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNK4_SkIJfU Potential legal implications from Trump dossier scandal BOTH Debbie Wasserman Shultz and John Pedo Podesta , BOTH Hillary Officials , DENIED they had anything to do with the Fake and Phony Dossier .. a total and calculated LIE that allowed the fake dossier to continue with concerned traction in the Fake News Matrix , when it was all a set up from the start Legal Implications ????

Your video is over 2 years old, the question has been answered already.

"None".

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 3:19pm:

Panther wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 10:13am: Panther wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 11:10pm: President Trump seems open to accepting dirt on his opponents from foreign governments. Is that against the law? Completely and utterly irrelevant. A President doesn't have to break the law in order to be impeached. You know very little about the American political system, don't you? And lil Peccahead, the US President Donald Trump can be impeached ... ... without breaking the law. Correct. Strange you didn't know that before. Oh well, I've taught you something. You can thank me later.

https://i.imgur.com/Wr0vwsv.png

:D :D :D :D :D ::) ::)   

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"The Founders made clear that an impeachable or convictable offense need not be a crime. Hamilton said it applied to 'the misconduct of public men.'"

You don't have to break a law to be impeached.

Panther's learnt a valuable lesson.

KangAnon wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 4:11pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 4:05pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNK4_SkIJfU Potential legal implications from Trump dossier scandal BOTH Debbie Wasserman Shultz and John Pedo Podesta , BOTH Hillary Officials , DENIED they had anything to do with the Fake and Phony Dossier .. a total and calculated LIE that allowed the fake dossier to continue with concerned traction in the Fake News Matrix , when it was all a set up from the start Legal Implications ???? Your video is over 2 years old, the question has been answered already. "None".

incorrect and more fake news from the triggered sad one .. just total lies upon lies from these libtards , yet rejoice

for in their intellectual stupor and false news allegations , they are exposed

the crime stands to this day and will be prosecuted in good time without Comey et al , yet with astute and logical application of the Rule of Law

from honourable investigators

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7FzTS_vbm8

Trump was investigated for what the Clinton campaign did: Rep. Nunes

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 4:20pm:

"The Founders made clear that an impeachable or convictable offense need not be a crime. Hamilton said it applied to 'the misconduct of public men.'" You don't have to break a law to be impeached. Panther's learnt a valuable lesson. Yes, long before my first post on this forum, long before I left the USA some 20 or so years back.......the greatest Country in the world......& arrived here on these beautiful Southern Shores....

I've been saying precisely that for months, but I have also been suggesting if the 'accusations' are not of a criminal magnitude, & politically prosecuted by the House democ-RATS as such, the credibility of any Articles passed on to the Senate will be seen as nothing but a completely partisan exercise, doomed for failure......

You hear it all the time 'no one is above the law', but the American People will see it negatively......as the democ-RATS are, all on their own, are seeking to impeach the US President, who in the very best of circumstances for those prosecuting the issue, is a very difficult undertaking, the People will see it as if the law is irrelevant in their seeking a just conclusion.

See the Second Video I posted, a few posts back, in it's entirety. Actually you should watch this short video    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcoc6Y4Iusc     BEFORE   you watch that Second one....it goes to his credibility regarding his testimony to follow in the Second Video I posted. The Professor is probably the most friendly to the democ-RAT cause for impeachment of the legal scholars quoted recently on the issues, yet he's 'spot on' in regards to his historical & legal honesty. That, & his impeccable logic, can not be ignored.......

JFYI.....by those that know him, & those that write about him, he does not like President Trump by any means.....politically he is considered considerably left of center, & he voted for Clinton in 2016.  See the Wikipedia citing of his legal background, political stances, & his involvement in his position of Law Professor & Constitutional Historian.    ;)

The correct order of Professor Turley's
compelling testimony:

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5 MINUTE CLIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCBGsmFQzwg

FOLLOW THE WIVES: Fusion GPS + Michael Atkinson = Impeachment & Whistlers

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 2:59pm:

so Steel was commissioned to construct a Dossier paid for by by Fusion GPS and Madam Cyberhack  ... https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/782908119/fusion-gps-founders-on-russian-efforts-to-sow-discord-they-have-succeeded Quote: My guests are the founders of Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch. They're former Wall Street Journal reporters. Some of the Russians who surfaced in the Trump investigation were people Simpson and Fritsch had reported on at The Wall Street Journal while investigating Russian corruption and organized crime. Simpson and Fritsch have written a new book called "Crime In Progress" about their investigation into Trump, its impact and Republican attempts to discredit Fusion GPS and the Steele dossier. Glenn Simpson, Peter Fritsch, welcome to FRESH AIR. What were some of the findings in your report and in the Steele dossier that you consider to be the most important early warnings of Donald Trump's ties to Russia? PETER FRITSCH: The truth is Chris Steele came into this project about nine months in. We started looking at Donald Trump and his relationship to Russia as part of a much broader project, which was looking at Donald Trump's business career. As has been reported, we first started working for Republicans. About nine months in, we started working with Chris Steele. Now, we saw a lot in the early going that caused us to have concerns about Donald Trump's relationship with Russia. On Nov. 1, 2016, according to the documents, the FBI told Steele it was unlikely to continue working with him, and he should not "obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI." yes because Fusion GPS paid for the fabricated dirt , any urine soaked checks yet ?? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/25/hillary-clintons-campaign-and-dnc-helped-fund-trump-russia-inquiry Report: Clinton campaign and DNC helped fund Trump-Russia Steele dossier [quote]The revelation is likely to fuel complaints by Trump that the dossier, which the president has derided as “phony stuff”, is a politically motivated collection of salacious claims. Yet the FBI has worked to corroborate the document, and in a sign of its ongoing relevance to investigators, special counsel Robert Mueller’s team – which is investigating potential coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign – weeks ago questioned the former British spy, Christopher Steele, who helped compile the claims in the dossier. The dossier, which circulated in Washington last year and was turned over to the FBI for its review, contends that Russia was engaged in a longstanding effort to aid Trump and had amassed compromising information about him. Trump has repeatedly dismissed the document as false and in recent days has questioned on Twitter whether Democrats or the FBI had helped fund it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-dossier-author-talks-senate-intel-committee-n808401

WASHINGTON — Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence operative who authored a 35-page dossier alleging that the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia, has been in talks with the Senate Intelligence Committee about speaking to its leaders, three sources familiar with the situation told NBC News.

In a development first reported on "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Thursday night, the sources disputed the characterization of the situation by Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., the chairman of the intelligence committee. Burr said this week that Steele had flatly declined the committee's offer to speak to him, and the committee thus had "hit a brick wall" in its attempts to investigate the dossier.

One source close to Steele said that in late September, Steele relayed to Washington, through an associate, that Steele in fact would be happy to meet with Burr and Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the committee's ranking Democrat.

Two other sources said the situation was "more complicated" than portrayed by Burr during a news conference Wednesday.


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Nay, dear one, the Clinton campaign and DNC did not pay Fusion GPS. If they did, and they didn't declare it as campaign spending, they would be prosecuted.

Mr Trump would see to that, dear.

So I'm curious. What's the connection between hiring a Washington-based intelligence company to investigate a potential Manchurian candidate and seeking the assistance of a corrupt foreign state to win an erection?

You haven't said.

Karnal wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 6:49pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:59pm: so Steel was commissioned to construct a Dossier paid for by by Fusion GPS and Madam Cyberhack  ... https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/782908119/fusion-gps-founders-on-russian-efforts-to-sow-discord-they-have-succeeded Quote: My guests are the founders of Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch. They're former Wall Street Journal reporters. Some of the Russians who surfaced in the Trump investigation were people Simpson and Fritsch had reported on at The Wall Street Journal while investigating Russian corruption and organized crime. Simpson and Fritsch have written a new book called "Crime In Progress" about their investigation into Trump, its impact and Republican attempts to discredit Fusion GPS and the Steele dossier. Glenn Simpson, Peter Fritsch, welcome to FRESH AIR. What were some of the findings in your report and in the Steele dossier that you consider to be the most important early warnings of Donald Trump's ties to Russia? PETER FRITSCH: The truth is Chris Steele came into this project about nine months in. We started looking at Donald Trump and his relationship to Russia as part of a much broader project, which was looking at Donald Trump's business career. As has been reported, we first started working for Republicans. About nine months in, we started working with Chris Steele. Now, we saw a lot in the early going that caused us to have concerns about Donald Trump's relationship with Russia. On Nov. 1, 2016, according to the documents, the FBI told Steele it was unlikely to continue working with him, and he should not "obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI." yes because Fusion GPS paid for the fabricated dirt , any urine soaked checks yet ?? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/25/hillary-clintons-campaign-and-dnc-helped-fund-trump-russia-inquiry Report: Clinton campaign and DNC helped fund Trump-Russia Steele dossier [quote]The revelation is likely to fuel complaints by Trump that the dossier, which the president has derided as “phony stuff”, is a politically motivated collection of salacious claims. Yet the FBI has worked to corroborate the document, and in a sign of its ongoing relevance to investigators, special counsel Robert Mueller’s team – which is investigating potential coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign – weeks ago questioned the former British spy, Christopher Steele, who helped compile the claims in the dossier. The dossier, which circulated in Washington last year and was turned over to the FBI for its review, contends that Russia was engaged in a longstanding effort to aid Trump and had amassed compromising information about him. Trump has repeatedly dismissed the document as false and in recent days has questioned on Twitter whether Democrats or the FBI had helped fund it. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-dossier-author-talks-senate-intel-committee-n808401 WASHINGTON — Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence operative who authored a 35-page dossier alleging that the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia, has been in talks with the Senate Intelligence Committee about speaking to its leaders, three sources familiar with the situation told NBC News. In a development first reported on "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Thursday night, the sources disputed the characterization of the situation by Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., the chairman of the intelligence committee. Burr said this week that Steele had flatly declined the committee's offer to speak to him, and the committee thus had "hit a brick wall" in its attempts to investigate the dossier. One source close to Steele said that in late September, Steele relayed to Washington, through an associate, that Steele in fact would be happy to meet with Burr and Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the committee's ranking Democrat. Two other sources said the situation was "more complicated" than portrayed by Burr during a news conference Wednesday.

Nay, dear one, the Clinton campaign and DNC did not pay Fusion GPS. If they did, and they didn't declare it as campaign spending, they would be prosecuted.

Mr Trump would see to that, dear.

So I'm curious. What's the connection between hiring a Washington-based intelligence company to investigate a potential Manchurian candidate and seeking the assistance of a corrupt foreign state to win an erection?

You haven't said. [/quote]

yes , and that is why the storm is here .., oh you didn't know eh ?

it figures ..

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 8:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 6:49pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:59pm: so Steel was commissioned to construct a Dossier paid for by by Fusion GPS and Madam Cyberhack  ... https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/782908119/fusion-gps-founders-on-russian-efforts-to-sow-discord-they-have-succeeded Quote: My guests are the founders of Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch. They're former Wall Street Journal reporters. Some of the Russians who surfaced in the Trump investigation were people Simpson and Fritsch had reported on at The Wall Street Journal while investigating Russian corruption and organized crime. Simpson and Fritsch have written a new book called "Crime In Progress" about their investigation into Trump, its impact and Republican attempts to discredit Fusion GPS and the Steele dossier. Glenn Simpson, Peter Fritsch, welcome to FRESH AIR. What were some of the findings in your report and in the Steele dossier that you consider to be the most important early warnings of Donald Trump's ties to Russia? PETER FRITSCH: The truth is Chris Steele came into this project about nine months in. We started looking at Donald Trump and his relationship to Russia as part of a much broader project, which was looking at Donald Trump's business career. As has been reported, we first started working for Republicans. About nine months in, we started working with Chris Steele. Now, we saw a lot in the early going that caused us to have concerns about Donald Trump's relationship with Russia. On Nov. 1, 2016, according to the documents, the FBI told Steele it was unlikely to continue working with him, and he should not "obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI." yes because Fusion GPS paid for the fabricated dirt , any urine soaked checks yet ?? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/25/hillary-clintons-campaign-and-dnc-helped-fund-trump-russia-inquiry Report: Clinton campaign and DNC helped fund Trump-Russia Steele dossier [quote]The revelation is likely to fuel complaints by Trump that the dossier, which the president has derided as “phony stuff”, is a politically motivated collection of salacious claims. Yet the FBI has worked to corroborate the document, and in a sign of its ongoing relevance to investigators, special counsel Robert Mueller’s team – which is investigating potential coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign – weeks ago questioned the former British spy, Christopher Steele, who helped compile the claims in the dossier. The dossier, which circulated in Washington last year and was turned over to the FBI for its review, contends that Russia was engaged in a longstanding effort to aid Trump and had amassed compromising information about him. Trump has repeatedly dismissed the document as false and in recent days has questioned on Twitter whether Democrats or the FBI had helped fund it. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-dossier-author-talks-senate-intel-committee-n808401 WASHINGTON — Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence operative who authored a 35-page dossier alleging that the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia, has been in talks with the Senate Intelligence Committee about speaking to its leaders, three sources familiar with the situation told NBC News. In a development first reported on "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Thursday night, the sources disputed the characterization of the situation by Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., the chairman of the intelligence committee. Burr said this week that Steele had flatly declined the committee's offer to speak to him, and the committee thus had "hit a brick wall" in its attempts to investigate the dossier. One source close to Steele said that in late September, Steele relayed to Washington, through an associate, that Steele in fact would be happy to meet with Burr and Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the committee's ranking Democrat. Two other sources said the situation was "more complicated" than portrayed by Burr during a news conference Wednesday. Nay, dear one, the Clinton campaign and DNC did not pay Fusion GPS. If they did, and they didn't declare it as campaign spending, they would be prosecuted. Mr Trump would see to that, dear. So I'm curious. What's the connection between hiring a Washington-based intelligence company to investigate a potential Manchurian candidate and seeking the assistance of a corrupt foreign state to win an erection? You haven't said.

yes , and that is why the storm is here .., oh you didn't know eh ?

it figures ..
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Nay, dear one, the storm is following your Master.

Hillary is free. Your Master is under InVeStIgAtIoN.

This is the difference between a Democrat lawyer contracting a Washington-based security firm and a prez bribing a foreign government with military aid.

It_is_the_light, no?

Karnal wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 7:38am:

Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear.

Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs.

Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump.

The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings.

The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine.

This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people!

Draining the swamp!

Spin away trolls!

Richdude wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 12:01am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp!

By bribing Ukraine when withholding military aid approved by Congress in return for a public declaration of an investigation into the Bidens to give legitimacy to a debunked conspiracy theory to hurt his political opponent for his own personal gain, organised and facilitated by his personal lawyer outside of every official channel in secret while Trump's team desperately searched for a legal justification for his actions, unsuccessfully, then tried to cover it up and lie about it until they were exposed when Trump then immediately unfroze the money, made some phone calls saying "I want to quid pro quo" and then obstructing justice and preventing key witnesses from being questioned and giving evidence during the hearings on Trump's direct orders?

Draining the swamp to stop corruption sounds a lot like corrupt behaviour with a president bribing another country by withholding aid until they do him a personal favour...

MAGA!

Drain the swamp!

Richdude wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 12:01am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls!

more than that Richdude ..

Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin

from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it ..

IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles ..

we see we know

╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 6:25am:

Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 12:01am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls! more than that Richdude .. Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it .. IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles .. we see we know [actions.size=12]╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯[/size]

Nay too, dear one. The Kremlin has denied the contents of the Steele Dossier.

Mr Trump, strangely, has not. He first pretended he wasn't in Russia on the dates, then retracted. He didn't stay in that hotel, then retracted. He didn't have the Presidential Suite, then retracted. He didn't have anyone come up to his room...

His bodyguards retracted that one.

Anyway, that's that. Mr Trump has proven the contents of the Steele Dossier with his words and actions. He has taken foreign policy directly from Putin, and he continues to do so. His body language in the presence of Putin indicates subservience, fear, an overwhealming desire to obey.

Yes, Master.

Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 7:19am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25am: Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 12:01am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls! more than that Richdude .. Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it .. IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles .. we see we know [actions.size=12]╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯[/size] Nay too, dear one. The Kremlin has denied the contents of the Steele Dossier. Mr Trump, strangely, has not. He first pretended he wasn't in Russia on the dates, then retracted. He didn't stay in that hotel, then retracted. He didn't have the Presidential Suite, then retracted. He didn't have anyone come up to his room... His bodyguards retracted that one. Anyway, that's that. Mr Trump has proven the contents of the Steele Dossier with his words and actions. He has taken foreign policy directly from Putin, and he continues to do so. His body language in the presence of Putin indicates subservience, fear, an overwhealming desire to obey. Yes, Master.

and you of course believe them right ?

OH DEAR  :)

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 7:37am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:19am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25am: Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 12:01am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls! more than that Richdude .. Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it .. IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles .. we see we know [actions.size=12]╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯[/size] Nay too, dear one. The Kremlin has denied the contents of the Steele Dossier. Mr Trump, strangely, has not. He first pretended he wasn't in Russia on the dates, then retracted. He didn't stay in that hotel, then retracted. He didn't have the Presidential Suite, then retracted. He didn't have anyone come up to his room... His bodyguards retracted that one. Anyway, that's that. Mr Trump has proven the contents of the Steele Dossier with his words and actions. He has taken foreign policy directly from Putin, and he continues to do so. His body language in the presence of Putin indicates subservience, fear, an overwhealming desire to obey. Yes, Master. and you of course believe them right ? OH DEAR  :)

Negative, dear one. I most certainly do not.

When Putin says there was no kompromat, it's a sign that there was. Whatever Putin says, the opposite is usually true. Russians generally believe this about their leaders.

Remember, Putin sits at the source of the fake news agenda. Its origins begin and end with him. Mr Trump, Brexit and the whole anti-Western alliance crusade lead back to Russia in one way or another.

Putin, ex-KGB, has deep experience with PrOpAgAnDa. It helped bring him to power. It certainly keeps him there.

Mr Trump doesn't care about power - he merely wants attention. The British don't care about Brexit - they care about immigration. Putin has been able to leverage these desires to his own ends, which are, essentially, the division of the Western world. Divide, as they say, and conquer. Putin wants to take back the Soviet Union. He wants a new Cold War. And this time, he wants to win.

This, dear one, is the project you gleefully join in on. You disseminate Putin's fake news. You preach the agenda. You promote yourself as an independent thinker, but you have no idea of the sources of your fake news. In many, if not most, cases, you haven't even read it.

This is why it is the burden of one such as I Am to expose your FaKeRy.

It_is_the_light, no?

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Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 9:49am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:37am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:19am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25am: Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 12:01am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls! more than that Richdude .. Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it .. IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles .. we see we know [actions.size=12]╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯[/size] Nay too, dear one. The Kremlin has denied the contents of the Steele Dossier. Mr Trump, strangely, has not. He first pretended he wasn't in Russia on the dates, then retracted. He didn't stay in that hotel, then retracted. He didn't have the Presidential Suite, then retracted. He didn't have anyone come up to his room... His bodyguards retracted that one. Anyway, that's that. Mr Trump has proven the contents of the Steele Dossier with his words and actions. He has taken foreign policy directly from Putin, and he continues to do so. His body language in the presence of Putin indicates subservience, fear, an overwhealming desire to obey. Yes, Master. and you of course believe them right ? OH DEAR  :) Negative, dear one. I most certainly do not. When Putin says there was no kompromat, it's a sign that there was. Whatever Putin says, the opposite is usually true. Russians generally believe this about their leaders. Remember, Putin sits at the source of the fake news agenda. Its origins begin and end with him. Mr Trump, Brexit and the whole anti-Western alliance crusade lead back to Russia in one way or another. Putin, ex-KGB, has deep experience with PrOpAgAnDa. It helped bring him to power. It certainly keeps him there. Mr Trump doesn't care about power - he merely wants attention. The British don't care about Brexit - they care about immigration. Putin has been able to leverage these desires to his own ends, which are, essentially, the division of the Western world. Divide, as they say, and contact., This, dear one, is the project you gleefully join in on. You disseminate Putin's fake news. You preach the agenda. You promote yourself as independent, but you have no idea of the sources of your fake news. In many, if not most, cases, you haven't even read it. This is why it is upon one such as I Am to expose your FaKeRy. It_is_the_light, no?

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Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 9:49am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:37am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:19am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25am: Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 12:01am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls! more than that Richdude .. Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it .. IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles .. we see we know [actions.size=12]╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯[/size] Nay too, dear one. The Kremlin has denied the contents of the Steele Dossier. Mr Trump, strangely, has not. He first pretended he wasn't in Russia on the dates, then retracted. He didn't stay in that hotel, then retracted. He didn't have the Presidential Suite, then retracted. He didn't have anyone come up to his room... His bodyguards retracted that one. Anyway, that's that. Mr Trump has proven the contents of the Steele Dossier with his words and actions. He has taken foreign policy directly from Putin, and he continues to do so. His body language in the presence of Putin indicates subservience, fear, an overwhealming desire to obey. Yes, Master. and you of course believe them right ? OH DEAR  :) Negative, dear one. I most certainly do not. When Putin says there was no kompromat, it's a sign that there was. Whatever Putin says, the opposite is usually true. Russians generally believe this about their leaders. Remember, Putin sits at the source of the fake news agenda. Its origins begin and end with him. Mr Trump, Brexit and the whole anti-Western alliance crusade lead back to Russia in one way or another. Putin, ex-KGB, has deep experience with PrOpAgAnDa. It helped bring him to power. It certainly keeps him there. Mr Trump doesn't care about power - he merely wants attention. The British don't care about Brexit - they care about immigration. Putin has been able to leverage these desires to his own ends, which are, essentially, the division of the Western world. Divide, as they say, and conquer. Putin wants to take back the Soviet Union. He wants a new Cold War. And this time, he wants to win. This, dear one, is the project you gleefully join in on. You disseminate Putin's fake news. You preach the agenda. You promote yourself as an independent thinker, but you have no idea of the sources of your fake news. In many, if not most, cases, you haven't even read it. This is why it is the burden of one such as I Am to expose your FaKeRy. It_is_the_light, no?

Rarely, well apart from Ducky Boy, have I seen such ignorant BS in one post.

Carnal has thrown of his inane mocking posts and revealed his true insanity.

Richdude wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:49am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:37am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:19am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25am: Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 12:01am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls! more than that Richdude .. Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it .. IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles .. we see we know [actions.size=12]╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯[/size] Nay too, dear one. The Kremlin has denied the contents of the Steele Dossier. Mr Trump, strangely, has not. He first pretended he wasn't in Russia on the dates, then retracted. He didn't stay in that hotel, then retracted. He didn't have the Presidential Suite, then retracted. He didn't have anyone come up to his room... His bodyguards retracted that one. Anyway, that's that. Mr Trump has proven the contents of the Steele Dossier with his words and actions. He has taken foreign policy directly from Putin, and he continues to do so. His body language in the presence of Putin indicates subservience, fear, an overwhealming desire to obey. Yes, Master. and you of course believe them right ? OH DEAR  :) Negative, dear one. I most certainly do not. When Putin says there was no kompromat, it's a sign that there was. Whatever Putin says, the opposite is usually true. Russians generally believe this about their leaders. Remember, Putin sits at the source of the fake news agenda. Its origins begin and end with him. Mr Trump, Brexit and the whole anti-Western alliance crusade lead back to Russia in one way or another. Putin, ex-KGB, has deep experience with PrOpAgAnDa. It helped bring him to power. It certainly keeps him there. Mr Trump doesn't care about power - he merely wants attention. The British don't care about Brexit - they care about immigration. Putin has been able to leverage these desires to his own ends, which are, essentially, the division of the Western world. Divide, as they say, and conquer. Putin wants to take back the Soviet Union. He wants a new Cold War. And this time, he wants to win. This, dear one, is the project you gleefully join in on. You disseminate Putin's fake news. You preach the agenda. You promote yourself as an independent thinker, but you have no idea of the sources of your fake news. In many, if not most, cases, you haven't even read it. This is why it is the burden of one such as I Am to expose your FaKeRy. It_is_the_light, no? Rarely, well apart from Ducky Boy, have I seen such ignorant BS in one post. Carnal has thrown of his inane mocking posts and revealed his true insanity.

And this is the sum total of your contribution to our discussions.

It_is_the_light, no?

Richdude wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:49am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:37am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:19am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25am: Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 12:01am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls! more than that Richdude .. Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it .. IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles .. we see we know [actions.size=12]╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯[/size] Nay too, dear one. The Kremlin has denied the contents of the Steele Dossier. Mr Trump, strangely, has not. He first pretended he wasn't in Russia on the dates, then retracted. He didn't stay in that hotel, then retracted. He didn't have the Presidential Suite, then retracted. He didn't have anyone come up to his room... His bodyguards retracted that one. Anyway, that's that. Mr Trump has proven the contents of the Steele Dossier with his words and actions. He has taken foreign policy directly from Putin, and he continues to do so. His body language in the presence of Putin indicates subservience, fear, an overwhealming desire to obey. Yes, Master. and you of course believe them right ? OH DEAR  :) Negative, dear one. I most certainly do not. When Putin says there was no kompromat, it's a sign that there was. Whatever Putin says, the opposite is usually true. Russians generally believe this about their leaders. Remember, Putin sits at the source of the fake news agenda. Its origins begin and end with him. Mr Trump, Brexit and the whole anti-Western alliance crusade lead back to Russia in one way or another. Putin, ex-KGB, has deep experience with PrOpAgAnDa. It helped bring him to power. It certainly keeps him there. Mr Trump doesn't care about power - he merely wants attention. The British don't care about Brexit - they care about immigration. Putin has been able to leverage these desires to his own ends, which are, essentially, the division of the Western world. Divide, as they say, and conquer. Putin wants to take back the Soviet Union. He wants a new Cold War. And this time, he wants to win. This, dear one, is the project you gleefully join in on. You disseminate Putin's fake news. You preach the agenda. You promote yourself as an independent thinker, but you have no idea of the sources of your fake news. In many, if not most, cases, you haven't even read it. This is why it is the burden of one such as I Am to expose your FaKeRy. It_is_the_light, no? Rarely, well apart from Ducky Boy, have I seen such ignorant BS in one post. Carnal has thrown of his inane mocking posts and revealed his true insanity.

yes Richdude ,

Karnal/abu is the lost internet Tranny conspiracy theorist ..

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and thats a mouthful aint it maam

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it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 12:08pm:

Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 11:05am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:49am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:37am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:19am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25am: Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 12:01am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls! more than that Richdude .. Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it .. IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles .. we see we know [actions.size=12]╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯[/size] Nay too, dear one. The Kremlin has denied the contents of the Steele Dossier. Mr Trump, strangely, has not. He first pretended he wasn't in Russia on the dates, then retracted. He didn't stay in that hotel, then retracted. He didn't have the Presidential Suite, then retracted. He didn't have anyone come up to his room... His bodyguards retracted that one. Anyway, that's that. Mr Trump has proven the contents of the Steele Dossier with his words and actions. He has taken foreign policy directly from Putin, and he continues to do so. His body language in the presence of Putin indicates subservience, fear, an overwhealming desire to obey. Yes, Master. and you of course believe them right ? OH DEAR  :) Negative, dear one. I most certainly do not. When Putin says there was no kompromat, it's a sign that there was. Whatever Putin says, the opposite is usually true. Russians generally believe this about their leaders. Remember, Putin sits at the source of the fake news agenda. Its origins begin and end with him. Mr Trump, Brexit and the whole anti-Western alliance crusade lead back to Russia in one way or another. Putin, ex-KGB, has deep experience with PrOpAgAnDa. It helped bring him to power. It certainly keeps him there. Mr Trump doesn't care about power - he merely wants attention. The British don't care about Brexit - they care about immigration. Putin has been able to leverage these desires to his own ends, which are, essentially, the division of the Western world. Divide, as they say, and conquer. Putin wants to take back the Soviet Union. He wants a new Cold War. And this time, he wants to win. This, dear one, is the project you gleefully join in on. You disseminate Putin's fake news. You preach the agenda. You promote yourself as an independent thinker, but you have no idea of the sources of your fake news. In many, if not most, cases, you haven't even read it. This is why it is the burden of one such as I Am to expose your FaKeRy. It_is_the_light, no? Rarely, well apart from Ducky Boy, have I seen such ignorant BS in one post. Carnal has thrown of his inane mocking posts and revealed his true insanity. yes Richdude , Karnal/abu is the lost internet Tranny conspiracy theorist .. https://media.tenor.com/images/091e9bac706aaca7a49781b8d0889a3d/tenor.gif and thats a mouthful aint it maam ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯

And this is the end result of yours, dear.

At the end of the day, when all is said and done, you have trannies. You might have no argument, no insight and no original thought, dear one, but you'll always have sir and ma'am, no?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/court-denies-fbi-effort-to-block-release-of-secret-records-about-fbi-clinton-lawyer-meeting-on-russia/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily

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Court Denies FBI Effort to Block Release of Secret Records About FBI-Clinton Lawyer Meeting on Russia


by Cristina Laila December 6, 2019

Conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch on Friday announced that US District Judge James E. Boasberg, an Obama appointee, denied FBI efforts to keep secret records about a Clinton lawyer’s meeting with FBI lawyer James Baker related to ‘Trump Russia.’

In October of 2018, former FBI lawyer James Baker testified that he received a packet of information from Michael Sussmann, a Perkins Coie law partner (and former DOJ lawyer) targeting Trump during the 2016 presidential election.

Perkins Coie was the same law firm that represented the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign — Hillary funneled money through Perkins Coie to pay for the phony Russia dossier.

“It was like — my recollection was it was a stack of material I don’t know maybe a quarter inch half inch thick something like that clipped together, and then I believe there was some type of electronic media, as well, a disk or something,” James Baker said to the House Judiciary and Oversight committees.

Baker also told lawmakers that Sussmann had shared some of the damaging information on Trump to the media.

FBI Director Wray is still covering for Hillary Clinton, but a federal judge on Friday blocked the FBI/DOJ from keeping these communications under wraps.

Via Judicial Watch:

Judicial Watch announced today that U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg denied a Justice Department effort to block the release of any communications between former FBI General Counsel James Baker and Michael Sussmann, a Perkins Coie law partner and former DOJ attorney, who reportedly met with Baker to share information targeting Donald J. Trump during the presidential campaign. While at Perkins Coie, Sussmann represented the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton’s campaign during the time Perkins Coie secretly paid for the development of the anti-Trump dossier the DOJ used to obtain FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. The court specifically rejected the FBI’s argument that it needed to protect the “privacy” of Hillary Clinton’s lawyer.

Judge Boasberg ruled: “[A]ny risk of invasion [of privacy] evaporated once Baker publicly testified that he had received documents from Sussmann, as well as met with and spoken to him on multiple occasions in 2016.”

“The FBI is corruptly trying to keep secret documents to protect those behind the Russiagate smears of President Trump,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Two federal courts have now rejected the FBI’s desperate attempts to hide the details of its anti-Trump conspiracy with Hillary Clinton’s Fusion GPS-FBI spy operation. Why is Director Wray allowing the corrupt cover up the FBI’s Russiagate collusions with the Clinton gang?”


Quote:

Tom Fitton ‏ Verified account @TomFitton Follow Follow @TomFitton More Wray FBI tried to cover up for Clinton's spy Christopher Steele, citing his "privacy" as reason to hide docs. Thankfully, court rejected that dishonest argument and ordered new search for docs. @JudicialWatch doing the heavy lifting again. @RealDonaldTrump https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/judicial-watch-federal-judge-orders-fbi-to-search-for-steele-documents/ …

WATCH :

https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1169251875876683777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1203001635712073728&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2019%2F12%2Fcourt-denies-fbi-effort-to-block-release-of-secret-records-about-fbi-clinton-lawyer-meeting-on-russia%2F%3Futm_source%3DEmail%26utm_medium%3Dthe-gateway-pundit%26utm_campaign%3Ddailypm%26utm_content%3Ddaily

Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 11:18am:

Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 11:05am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:49am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:37am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:19am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25am: Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 12:01am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: Richdude wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:28am: Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls! more than that Richdude .. Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it .. IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles .. we see we know [actions.size=12]╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯[/size] Nay too, dear one. The Kremlin has denied the contents of the Steele Dossier. Mr Trump, strangely, has not. He first pretended he wasn't in Russia on the dates, then retracted. He didn't stay in that hotel, then retracted. He didn't have the Presidential Suite, then retracted. He didn't have anyone come up to his room... His bodyguards retracted that one. Anyway, that's that. Mr Trump has proven the contents of the Steele Dossier with his words and actions. He has taken foreign policy directly from Putin, and he continues to do so. His body language in the presence of Putin indicates subservience, fear, an overwhealming desire to obey. Yes, Master. and you of course believe them right ? OH DEAR  :) Negative, dear one. I most certainly do not. When Putin says there was no kompromat, it's a sign that there was. Whatever Putin says, the opposite is usually true. Russians generally believe this about their leaders. Remember, Putin sits at the source of the fake news agenda. Its origins begin and end with him. Mr Trump, Brexit and the whole anti-Western alliance crusade lead back to Russia in one way or another. Putin, ex-KGB, has deep experience with PrOpAgAnDa. It helped bring him to power. It certainly keeps him there. Mr Trump doesn't care about power - he merely wants attention. The British don't care about Brexit - they care about immigration. Putin has been able to leverage these desires to his own ends, which are, essentially, the division of the Western world. Divide, as they say, and conquer. Putin wants to take back the Soviet Union. He wants a new Cold War. And this time, he wants to win. This, dear one, is the project you gleefully join in on. You disseminate Putin's fake news. You preach the agenda. You promote yourself as an independent thinker, but you have no idea of the sources of your fake news. In many, if not most, cases, you haven't even read it. This is why it is the burden of one such as I Am to expose your FaKeRy. It_is_the_light, no? Rarely, well apart from Ducky Boy, have I seen such ignorant BS in one post. Carnal has thrown of his inane mocking posts and revealed his true insanity. And this is the sum total of your contribution to our discussions. It_is_the_light, no?

Well making such obviously fallacious comments - what do you expect.

Do you see Putin under your bed and wherever you go?

Putin is the convenient boogy man of our time. He represents the interests of his nation - not the global cartel and that's why hes hated. This is what Trump and him have in common and why the media lump them together.

Bribery is an impeachable offence, yes. Using that information against a political opponent is an impeachable offence, yes. However, the Senate will redefine "bribery" and Trump will go Scot free. Therefore future presidents will be emboldened to do the same thing.

AiA wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 3:30am:

Bribery is an impeachable offence, yes. Using that information against a political opponent is an impeachable offence, yes. However, the Senate will redefine "bribery" and Trump will go Scot free. Therefore future presidents will be emboldened to do the same thing.

2 Affidavits from the Ukrainian leader and the prosecutor, as well as no evidence from ANY witnesses or transcripts.

In fact ZERO evidence, yet these loonies continue to spout their rabid nonsense.

They can't impeach him legally - hell lets make it up and impeach him anyway.

He's exposing too much - "we have to stop him anyway we can". This is a very good reason why Trump should get 4 more years - drown the crooked bastards!

Richdude wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 4:01am:

AiA wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 3:30am: Bribery is an impeachable offence, yes. Using that information against a political opponent is an impeachable offence, yes. However, the Senate will redefine "bribery" and Trump will go Scot free. Therefore future presidents will be emboldened to do the same thing. 2 Affidavits from the Ukrainian leader and the prosecutor, as well as no evidence from ANY witnesses or transcripts. In fact ZERO evidence, yet these loonies continue to spout their rabid nonsense. They can't impeach him legally - hell lets make it up and impeach him anyway. He's exposing too much - "we have to stop him anyway we can". This is a very good reason why Trump should get 4 more years - drown the crooked bastards!

Got nothing to say Ay?

What about Ducky Boy - got any more ridiculous comments?

AiA wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 3:30am:

Bribery is an impeachable offence, yes. Using that information against a political opponent is an impeachable offence, yes. However, the Senate will redefine "bribery" and Trump will go Scot free. Therefore future presidents will be emboldened to do the same thing.

Exactly.

He's ruined the office of POTUS.

Richdude wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 2:57am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 11:18am: Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 11:05am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:49am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:37am: Karnal wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:19am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25am: Richdude wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 12:01am: Karnal wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 7:38am: [quote author=Richdude link=1575465046/2#2 date=1575469701] Hillary did so in 2016 BUT she's a Democrat - the rules don't apply! If Democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all! Hillary got dirt from a foreign state? Do tell, dear. Steele was a British and FBI agent - he worked for the British and US govs. Steele fabricated a fake dozier for Hillary. Hillary did not care whether it was true or not - just that it would damaged Trump. The British gov knew what Steele was doing but Hillary ignored their warnings. The real difference is that Trump asked the Ukrainian leader to continue the investigation into Burisma and the Russian hoax started in the Ukraine. This is part of Trumps commitment to fulfill his mandate and honor his contract with the US people! Draining the swamp! Spin away trolls! more than that Richdude .. Steele was frantically soliciting ANY and ALL " intelligence " through the halls of the Kremlin from ACTIVE RUSSIAN SPIES .. they simply sent disinfo to dismantle the US Elections and Hillary paid for it .. IT WORKED as 3 years later this sham and disinfo is still believed by the mind controlled Libtard Imbeciles .. we see we know [actions.size=12]╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯[/size] Nay too, dear one. The Kremlin has denied the contents of the Steele Dossier. Mr Trump, strangely, has not. He first pretended he wasn't in Russia on the dates, then retracted. He didn't stay in that hotel, then retracted. He didn't have the Presidential Suite, then retracted. He didn't have anyone come up to his room... His bodyguards retracted that one. Anyway, that's that. Mr Trump has proven the contents of the Steele Dossier with his words and actions. He has taken foreign policy directly from Putin, and he continues to do so. His body language in the presence of Putin indicates subservience, fear, an overwhealming desire to obey. Yes, Master. and you of course believe them right ? OH DEAR  :) Negative, dear one. I most certainly do not. Putin, ex-KGB, has deep experience with PrOpAgAnDa. It helped bring him to power. It certainly It_is_the_light, no? Rarely, well apart from Ducky Boy, have I seen such ignorant ? Well making such obviously fallacious comments - what do you expect. Do you see Putin under your bed and wherever you go?

They're lumped together because Putin resorted to criminal actions to see Mr Trump erected, dear.

Mr Trump has since fought for Putin's interests, fighting congress to stop the Russian sanctions, pretending the Russians didn't hack the Dems, and all manner of Russian foreign policy favours, from trying to weaken NATO to pushing obscure Eastern European conspiracy theories that come directly from Russia.

Mr Trump has even stepped out of Syria to allow Putin a foothold in the Middle East. Putin couldn't have asked for a better Prez, no?

Putin has declared his intentions to reclaim the territory of the former Soviet Union. He did this with Georgia, and he's done it with the Ukraine. He meddles in the erections of a host of Eastern European states, such as Finland and Estonia. He's even meddled as far away as Venezuela, right near Uncle's back door.

No state in or near Europe has been so brazen as challenging the borders of another. Europe has been in an unprecedented state of peace since the end of the Cold War. Putin now challenges this. He has, remember, annexed half of the Ukraine. Putin is the biggest threat to the peace in Europe, not to mention America, where he wages a war of FAKE news. It is believed that the order to shoot down MH17 could not have come from anybody other than Putin.

So yes, Rich. Putin is indeed a threat to the global order. Mr Trump's support for Putin goes not only against US interests, but the entire world's. Mr Trump is probably the only member of his handpicked cabinet, his administration and both houses of government to hold these views, and do you know?

These are not political views. Mr Trump doesn't have them. There is only one way to explain Mr Trump's support for Putin:

Putin owns him.

You?

The Labor Party did it when they conspired with the NZ Labour Party to get dirt on Joyce's imigration status.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

The Labor Party did it when they conspired with the NZ Labour Party to get dirt on Joyce's imigration status.

Impeach them then.

Let us know how that works out for you.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

The Labor Party did it when they conspired with the NZ Labour Party to get dirt on Joyce's imigration status.

Barnaby didn't immigrate, dear. He was an NZ citizen through his parents.

The Labor Party didn't do anything. Parliament asked Barnaby to lodge his evidence. He did.

He was forced to stand down, rescind his NZ citizenship and run again.

Pretty dumb rule if you ask me, but that's the constitution for you.