Investigations into Pascoe claims that he was aboriginal are .......lies.

Parents, grandparents and siblings are all English.
Some have never even been to Australia.

The fantasy Dark Emu is nothing more than a fiction with exaggeration, misquotes and lies throughout.

He claims abbos farming, living in cities as well as having huge storage for grain, none of which have ever been seen and none of which have been found anywhere in our huge country.

This is the book that sychophants base their claims of civilized abbos.
This is the only evidence they have of farming and storage of grains
And this is a book full of lies, written by a liar.

Aboriginals were nomadic pre-stone age primitives.
This is fact, they had not even progressed to the level of stone age
Being unable to conceptualize the attachment of a rock to a stick.

In a country resplendent in raw materials, they could not work out how to make even primitive iron.
Copper is also plentiful, the easiest of metals to make, but totally unknown to our primitive brethren.

Gold and precious stones had no place in aboriginal artefacts as they had no concept of wealth, this continues today, wasting everything given them as if it will flow forever.

Now that Pasco has been proven a liar and a fraud, will this stop sycophantic ranting?
Not on your Nelly, they scream even louder, claiming this is proof of white man trying to cover up.
But there is nothing to cover up.
Primitive is as primitive does.

Aboriginals become less and less relevant as they breed with whites.
In time there will no longer be abbos, simply liars claiming aboriginality so as to reap any rewards they think they can get.

The time will come when we will stop paying parasites just because they are primitives.

All is revealed in this website

Dark-emu-exposed.org.

All of the lies and fantasy that bwyannnnnnnn quotes as the truth.

There are proud black british and Americans.
When is being someone about 'just' the blood?

Your racism is thin skinned

And your post is just one big lie

Jasin wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 6:17pm:

And your post is just one big lie

Think So?

Go to the website.

Pascoe is a lying moron, too stupid to even come up with believable stories.

Anyone who believes his lies, must be a few synapses short of cerebral functionality.

Your immediate lie of thinking that people have to be Black to be Aboriginal is absurd to start with.
How many Non-Anglo Saxons are 'Australian'?

Anyone can be Aboriginal, if they choose that path to follow.

Even E.T. the interstellar Botanist could be Aboriginal.

Jasin wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 6:29pm:

Your immediate lie of thinking that people have to be Black to be Aboriginal is absurd to start with. How many Non-Anglo Saxons are 'Australian'? Anyone can be Aboriginal, if they choose that path to follow. Even E.T. the interstellar Botanist could be Aboriginal.

Good God.....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 6:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 6:29pm: Your immediate lie of thinking that people have to be Black to be Aboriginal is absurd to start with. How many Non-Anglo Saxons are 'Australian'? Anyone can be Aboriginal, if they choose that path to follow. Even E.T. the interstellar Botanist could be Aboriginal. Good God.....

No. Your's was a jealous God. Jealous the Darkies ruled the world and you owned just a cave away from the sunlight in Europe.

This thread is about Pascoe the liar.

Who wrote the book dark emu, which is all lies.

The book that abbos and sychophants love to quote as fact.

Which is simply a book of lies, written by a liar who stated he was an abbo, but he has no abbo blood in him at all.....just a liar.

Valkie wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 6:42pm:

This thread is about Pascoe the liar. Who wrote the book dark emu, which is all lies. The book that abbos and sychophants love to quote as fact. Which is simply a book of lies, written by a liar who stated he was an abbo, but he has no abbo blood in him at all.....just a liar.

I can tell when Space Invaders came in.
You Valkie, could never 'level up'.  ::)

Why don't you tell us about the thousands of abbos living in cities before whites arrived.

Or perhaps the great farming communities.

Better still, the agricultural milestones and storage facilities .

All this and more in bold print in Pascoes book of lies.

Jasin wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 6:29pm:

Your immediate lie of thinking that people have to be Black to be Aboriginal is absurd to start with. How many Non-Anglo Saxons are 'Australian'? Anyone can be Aboriginal, if they choose that path to follow. Even E.T. the interstellar Botanist could be Aboriginal.

There in lays one of the first mega trendy lies thought up by white aboriginals to justify their claims.

The Blackfella should spear this clown through the leg for being an imposter and then the Whitefella should charge him with obtaining money by deception.

Truth justice and the Australian way.

Valkie wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 4:18am:

Why don't you tell us about the thousands of abbos living in cities before whites arrived. Or perhaps the great farming communities. Better still, the agricultural milestones and storage facilities . All this and more in bold print in Pascoes book of lies.

The network of canals to facilitate trade etc.... the mega fish farms, lobster and oyster farms ... not just piles of shelled oysters on a beach somewhere, mate... they're 'middens' left over from mass production... a well-oiled machine to feed the entire 5286 nations across the continent...highways that follow the traditional roads that traversed the nation......

Pascoe will go down in history as a semi Demidenko ....

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/08/the-return-of-helen-demidenko-on-culture-war-and-the-value-of-truth

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 7:59am:

Valkie wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 4:18am: Why don't you tell us about the thousands of abbos living in cities before whites arrived. Or perhaps the great farming communities. Better still, the agricultural milestones and storage facilities . All this and more in bold print in Pascoes book of lies. The network of canals to facilitate trade etc.... the mega fish farms, lobster and oyster farms ... not just piles of shelled oysters on a beach somewhere, mate... they're 'middens' left over from mass production... a well-oiled machine to feed the entire 5286 nations across the continent...highways that follow the traditional roads that traversed the nation...... Pascoe will go down in history as a semi Demidenko .... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/08/the-return-of-helen-demidenko-on-culture-war-and-the-value-of-truth

I believe he surpasses her by a long chalk.

Not only does he lie about his heritage, he lies about historical transcript, which he alters to suit his narrative and then the biggest lie .....

the progressive left & a deluded LNP Minister Ken Wyatt treat it as gospel.

Pascoe should continue to be called out for the fraud he is & those that support his nonsense, the progressive left should be ashamed of their gullibility & scant regard for truth.

https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/ancient-australians-the-worlds-first-j3ljz-6tdcn-jjsce-4tc4a

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 6:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 6:29pm: Your immediate lie of thinking that people have to be Black to be Aboriginal is absurd to start with. How many Non-Anglo Saxons are 'Australian'? Anyone can be Aboriginal, if they choose that path to follow. Even E.T. the interstellar Botanist could be Aboriginal. Good God.....

Britain’s Universities and Colleges Union has published a report that contends anyone should be able to identify as black regardless of the colour of their skin.

That means a university teacher with ginger hair and freckles can now — in all seriousness — assert their black identity and gain the validation of colleagues. And anyone who refuses to go along with this performance of blackness risks being accused of a hate crime.

The UCU’s report aims to resolve­ the current controversy about whether biological males should be able to self-identify as women and be treated as female. The report concludes with a resound­ing yes — you don’t need to have a uterus and female reproductive organs to identify as a woman. It also went a step further so you can decide if you are white, black or, presumably, Chinese.

It notes that “our rules commit us to ending all forms of discrimin­ation, bigotry and stereotyping” and declares that the “UCU has a long history of enabling members to self-identify whether that is being black, disabled, LGBT+ or women”. The UCU’s argument about the right to self-identify is another way of saying it is up to everyone to decide how others are obligated to see them.

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 9:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 6:31pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 6:29pm: Your immediate lie of thinking that people have to be Black to be Aboriginal is absurd to start with. How many Non-Anglo Saxons are 'Australian'? Anyone can be Aboriginal, if they choose that path to follow. Even E.T. the interstellar Botanist could be Aboriginal. Good God..... Britain’s Universities and Colleges Union has published a report that contends anyone should be able to identify as black regardless of the colour of their skin. That means a university teacher with ginger hair and freckles can now — in all seriousness — assert their black identity and gain the validation of colleagues. And anyone who refuses to go along with this performance of blackness risks being accused of a hate crime. The UCU’s report aims to resolve­ the current controversy about whether biological males should be able to self-identify as women and be treated as female. The report concludes with a resound­ing yes — you don’t need to have a uterus and female reproductive organs to identify as a woman. It also went a step further so you can decide if you are white, black or, presumably, Chinese. It notes that “our rules commit us to ending all forms of discrimin­ation, bigotry and stereotyping” and declares that the “UCU has a long history of enabling members to self-identify whether that is being black, disabled, LGBT+ or women”. The UCU’s argument about the right to self-identify is another way of saying it is up to everyone to decide how others are obligated to see them.

thats fine frank   as long as there are no financial  benefits or shortcuts involved.......if a white aussie marries a person of Chinese culture    there are no extras involved....but that is not the case with Aboriginal culture     I dont know of any other country that gives these benefits to a minority group   because of their colour.....

now a group are asking for $290billion... for spiritual damage.... ::) ::) ::)

how can money fix that? :D

Well - 'conscious landscape management' is one thing - but it still does not create of a few individual groups at random carrying out such practices, a 'civilisation'... a bald statement that using basic land management practices constitutes a major civilisation is false in its entirety.

All it shows is that a few people did things that they learned to do and passed it down... because it worked.  It is the level of progress with these and related things, such as construction and organisation, that begin to create a 'civilisation'....

Let's try to keep this in perspective.

How come it's not classified as 'bigotry' to criticise and condemn someone for disagreeing with a silly self-identification?  Is 'bigotry' somehow only the province of anyone who laughs at blatant nonsense?

If I identify as a disabled Black woman who can't speak English - will I get affirmative action and a free handup?  How about a share of the $290 Bn if I identify as a Western Australian Koon?

Footnote:-  One of the phases my schizophrenic brother went through was 'identifying as Indigenous' (in amongst such nonsenses as sexual abuse from our father **rolls eyes**) .. he fortified this belief by having affairs with Aboriginal women, then worked out that because of a surname similarity, we were related to the founder of the Salvation Army, and also related somehow to Imelda Marcos.... I felt he 'identified' as a Koon for the purported benefits, such as freebie money...  ::)

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 9:50am:

How come it's not classified as 'bigotry' to criticise and condemn someone for disagreeing with a silly self-identification?  Is 'bigotry' somehow only the province of anyone who laughs at blatant nonsense? If I identify as a disabled Black woman who can't speak English - will I get affirmative action and a free handup?  How about a share of the $290 Bn if I identify as a Western Australian Koon? Footnote:-  One of the phases my schizophrenic brother went through was 'identifying as Indigenous' (in amongst such nonsenses as sexual abuse from our father **rolls eyes**) .. he fortified this belief by having affairs with Aboriginal women, then worked out that because of a surname similarity, we were related to the founder of the Salvation Army, and also related somehow to Imelda Marcos.... I felt he 'identified' as a Koon for the purported benefits, such as freebie money...  ::)

only if your spiritual side has been affected grap.....

look into that first I would say! before putting in your claim.. ;) ;)

Capt James Fraser with his ship the Stirling Castle (its cargo was mostly 'grog') shipwrecked 200km north of Fraser Island.
There they were taken care of by the local Aboriginals. With his wife Eliza and 11 survivors were looked after in a place known as 'Paradise' when translated.

The 'reports' later say that Fraser & Co were 'captured' and that Fraser died of Malnutrition and Spear wounds. Eliza seems to have 'escaped' via an Irish convict who just happened to be living with them for some years (obviously not malnourished).
The group was later rescued by a band of European soldiers and she claimed she was mistreated and abused by the Aboriginals.
Lonely Planet founder Tony Wheeler, in his book 'Islands of Australia' says that there are 'conflicting' reports about that moment. Eliza Fraser, being paid for her tales, reports her six weeks up there as 'captivity' and abuse. So it roused public anger and Soldiers were sent up to 'genocide' that tribe from that area.
The only apparent conflict is that the 'others' said they were all well treated, fed and given refuge. But it seems the prima-donas of James and his Wife thought otherwise. It must have been an assault on their egos that they needed to be cared for by 'primitives'.  Roll Eyes But the other reports of 'good treatment' came too late for the Aboriginals who were 'butchered' on the whims of Eliza's fragile little eggshell accusations.

This kinda sums up the entirety of Australian early Colonial History - where one half took the negative approach and the other half wondered what all the fuss was about.

Even during the Aboriginal uprising in the Wiradjiri area.
Many 'white' Families who got on well with the Aboriginals were not attacked and were given a representative for their protection, while hordes of Abos scoured the lands for the evil Whites and their guns after a Greenkeeper decided to shoot one of them on a pathetic whim.

It's obvious that those who take the negative approach to Abos are the perpetraitors of evil in the form of genocides and massacres (because they happen to just have a bigger stick Roll Eyes in their technological superiority). While the majority of Australians appreciated the Aboriginals and did 'co-exist' harmoniously.
One Farming Family were so, when the Aboriginals kept their lands clean, clear and well maintained at the cost of the odd sheep being taken for food. It was a symbiotic relationship. But not all Farmers thought that way and took 'absolutism and extremism' in eradicating 'people' like vermin and pests.

Thankfully, today - we are seeing more of the truth coming out and the decent Australians can 'co-exist' with an Aboriginal presence here, like they do with any other people's around the world that come here.

...but then you have the racists, who can't compete fairly because they are lacking and must 'destroy' the competition at all costs with lies and violence. Much like American Economics works.


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As you can see. A lot of Australian reports on Abos were all LIES. Pretty sure James & Eliza were just Groggers who complained about everything that didn't go their precious way, even when they caused it themselves.

Seems a lot of Australians were 'Groggers' and sought 'violence' and 'power' as the justification to keep their spoiled lives inebriated.

So the 'City' mentality of the early Australian society was ANTI - bush, rural and most of all - Aboriginal.
A lot of reports, sketches of Aboriginals were just 'abusive' in their aims. While many others showed more appreciation for Aboriginal existence.

Got a dirty drunk abo on your doorstep?
Chances are - you deserve it as 'Like attracts Like'.

cods wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 9:54am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 9:50am: How come it's not classified as 'bigotry' to criticise and condemn someone for disagreeing with a silly self-identification?  Is 'bigotry' somehow only the province of anyone who laughs at blatant nonsense? If I identify as a disabled Black woman who can't speak English - will I get affirmative action and a free handup?  How about a share of the $290 Bn if I identify as a Western Australian Koon? Footnote:-  One of the phases my schizophrenic brother went through was 'identifying as Indigenous' (in amongst such nonsenses as sexual abuse from our father **rolls eyes**) .. he fortified this belief by having affairs with Aboriginal women, then worked out that because of a surname similarity, we were related to the founder of the Salvation Army, and also related somehow to Imelda Marcos.... I felt he 'identified' as a Koon for the purported benefits, such as freebie money...  ::) only if your spiritual side has been affected grap..... look into that first I would say! before putting in your claim.. ;) ;)

Hmm - yeee-usshh - the stories being broadcast about the spiritual abuse resonate with my Inner Indigene from WA... I can feel it, man .... I'm triggered and having flashbacks from ancestral things... hard work considering I have no WA ancestors...  if I go along now and get in tight with the local Indigenes, can I get a share???  All I need is a nod from an Elder or something and I'm in for a few lazy mill ...

JaSin said it was all kosher, so it must be right.... he's one smart Koon, that boy....

HERE!  Get your teeth into something real for a change.... this girl's illness and death are shocking to watch:-

https://www.change.org/p/my-granddaughter-died-in-a-cell-begging-for-help-please-give-us-answers/u/25435173?cs_tk=AuPRDjMWTWV7Aj2-6V0AAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvOGpwb7-qDW7s8Gltg8U-SA%3D&utm_campaign=dfc65a0996da454c96ef2a49d5b03894&utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_update&utm_term=cs

Bloody do-gooders posturing online about people who find nonsense claims laughable and worthy of contempt due to their obvious intent to alter reality ... and who don't give one damn about real people and real issues for Aboriginals.  Cloaked in their ivory towers and quoting a charlatan like Pascoe... a poor novel passed off as history..

James Fraser died of spear wounds, you say - surely that's not evidence of abuse by Aboriginals - BTW - what happened to the grog supply?  Went down with the ship or went down with a belch?

Aboriginal people all through colonial history years have been pushed aside and told to shut up....now they have an assertive voice that is getting stronger and they are elbowing their way to the front of the queue and a percentage of white honkies just don't like that at all.

They wont get everything they want such as all their land back such as it goes the future cannot go on without recognition of their cultural history to the land written into the constitution.

Nor can it be something given back be abused by the rest of society as with Uluru given back and then folk continue climbing over it defecating or having heart attacks, needing rescuing...certainly the indigenous voice cannot be quelled by neoliberalist Gina Rinehart tribal quibbler's.... ::) 

   

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 1:57pm:

HERE!  Get your teeth into something real for a change.... this girl's illness and death are shocking to watch:- https://www.change.org/p/my-granddaughter-died-in-a-cell-begging-for-help-please-give-us-answers/u/25435173?cs_tk=AuPRDjMWTWV7Aj2-6V0AAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvOGpwb7-qDW7s8Gltg8U-SA%3D&utm_campaign=dfc65a0996da454c96ef2a49d5b03894&utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_update&utm_term=cs Bloody do-gooders posturing online about people who find nonsense claims laughable and worthy of contempt due to their obvious intent to alter reality ... and who don't give one damn about real people and real issues for Aboriginals.  Cloaked in their ivory towers and quoting a charlatan like Pascoe... a poor novel passed off as history.. James Fraser died of spear wounds, you say - surely that's not evidence of abuse by Aboriginals - BTW - what happened to the grog supply?  Went down with the ship or went down with a belch?

Supposedly, as said by Eliza his wife.
Maybe he was a drunk (transporting his love of grog) and the Abos just didn't like his 'drying out' anger management failures and speared him like the Hawaiins had to spear Capt Cook for his Syphillis craziness?
Considering the other '11' reports contradicted the 'paid' reports from an embittered disgrunted wife who probably needed her dose of grog too.

Pedro Curevo wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 2:54pm:

Aboriginal people all through colonial history years have been pushed aside and told to shut up....now they have an assertive voice that is getting stronger and they are elbowing their way to the front of the queue and a percentage of white honkies just don't like that at all. They wont get everything they want such as all their land back such as it goes the future cannot go on without recognition of their cultural history to the land written into the constitution. Nor can it be something given back be abused by the rest of society as with Uluru given back and then folk continue climbing over it defecating or having heart attacks, needing rescuing...certainly the indigenous voice cannot be quelled by neoliberalist Gina Rinehart tribal quibbler's.... ::)

Yes. Blacks will never get their lands back so to speak, in their entirety. But they will get what's owed to them - from 'all' the races for what they have had to cough up and share.
To think the Whiteys tried to take Asia off the Yellows - but the Yellows held out with their 'Forbidden (Sacred) City' and now are going to get what is owed to them too.


Whities can have a 'share' of the World 'equally'.
But there are many Whities who think they can 'take it all' by force. Silly peoples and those Whities will drop off the tree like a broken branch.

Even the Blacks of Africa have to accept that Africa is to be 'shared' with the other 7 Races and it's not just for Blacks 'only'.

Pedro Curevo wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 2:54pm:

Aboriginal people all through colonial history years have been pushed aside and told to shut up....now they have an assertive voice that is getting stronger and they are elbowing their way to the front of the queue and a percentage of white honkies just don't like that at all. They wont get everything they want such as all their land back such as it goes the future cannot go on without recognition of their cultural history to the land written into the constitution. Nor can it be something given back be abused by the rest of society as with Uluru given back and then folk continue climbing over it defecating or having heart attacks, needing rescuing...certainly the indigenous voice cannot be quelled by neoliberalist Gina Rinehart tribal quibbler's.... ::)

Pascoe is determined to stand on his Aboriginality. Pascpe needs his Aboriginality for 'authenticity' (book sales) and to avoid criticisms of being a pandering, white liberal. Pascoe can't demonstrate any links to Aboriginality in his family tree. Pascoe resents being expected to. Does the nature of his gemetics shield his claims from scrutiny? Apparently it does.

Pedro Curevo wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 2:54pm:

Aboriginal people all through colonial history years have been pushed aside and told to shut up....now they have an assertive voice that is getting stronger and they are elbowing their way to the front of the queue and a percentage of white honkies just don't like that at all. They wont get everything they want such as all their land back such as it goes the future cannot go on without recognition of their cultural history to the land written into the constitution. Nor can it be something given back be abused by the rest of society as with Uluru given back and then folk continue climbing over it defecating or having heart attacks, needing rescuing...certainly the indigenous voice cannot be quelled by neoliberalist Gina Rinehart tribal quibbler's.... ::)

can I ask   what have they done with the land they have been given so far??..  are they using it to sustain their own lifestyle do you know???....

we never hear how they depend on whitey [handouts] all year round    I can only presume with the new tactics   it means they intend to be self sufficient... ::) ::)..no need for whitey and his money...

is that the idea?

cods wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 4:33pm:

Pedro Curevo wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 2:54pm: Aboriginal people all through colonial history years have been pushed aside and told to shut up....now they have an assertive voice that is getting stronger and they are elbowing their way to the front of the queue and a percentage of white honkies just don't like that at all. They wont get everything they want such as all their land back such as it goes the future cannot go on without recognition of their cultural history to the land written into the constitution. Nor can it be something given back be abused by the rest of society as with Uluru given back and then folk continue climbing over it defecating or having heart attacks, needing rescuing...certainly the indigenous voice cannot be quelled by neoliberalist Gina Rinehart tribal quibbler's.... ::)      can I ask   what have they done with the land they have been given so far??..  are they using it to sustain their own lifestyle do you know???.... we never hear how they depend on whitey [handouts] all year round    I can only presume with the new tactics   it means they intend to be self sufficient... ::) ::)..no need for whitey and his money... is that the idea?

Of course not
They will simply waste it, or as much as they can, before the administrators take over.

On the central coast where I live
They were given a tract of land that the said was sacred land.
They sold it off before the ink was dry.
Then they wasted 1/2 of the $40 something million in a couple of years.
Nothing to show for it.

Now the whyning bludgers complain that they want their money.
But they are still getting abbo handouts and the dole.

None, not one works.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 4:16pm:

Pascoe is determined to stand on his Aboriginality. Pascpe needs his Aboriginality for 'authenticity' (book sales) and to avoid criticisms of being a pandering, white liberal. Pascoe can't demonstrate any links to Aboriginality in his family tree. Pascoe resents being expected to. Does the nature of his gemetics shield his claims from scrutiny? Apparently it does.

Well - he is a Whinging Pom after all, from his ancestry - it seems he has now found the perfect avenue for his whinging... the poor, downtrodden Blacks that his ancestors also helped into the grave...

Methinks the apologist doth protest too much...

Jasin wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 4:13pm:

Pedro Curevo wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 2:54pm: Aboriginal people all through colonial history years have been pushed aside and told to shut up....now they have an assertive voice that is getting stronger and they are elbowing their way to the front of the queue and a percentage of white honkies just don't like that at all. They wont get everything they want such as all their land back such as it goes the future cannot go on without recognition of their cultural history to the land written into the constitution. Nor can it be something given back be abused by the rest of society as with Uluru given back and then folk continue climbing over it defecating or having heart attacks, needing rescuing...certainly the indigenous voice cannot be quelled by neoliberalist Gina Rinehart tribal quibbler's.... ::)      Yes. Blacks will never get their lands back so to speak, in their entirety. But they will get what's owed to them - from 'all' the races for what they have had to cough up and share. To think the Whiteys tried to take Asia off the Yellows - but the Yellows held out with their 'Forbidden (Sacred) City' and now are going to get what is owed to them too. Whities can have a 'share' of the World 'equally'. But there are many Whities who think they can 'take it all' by force. Silly peoples and those Whities will drop off the tree like a broken branch. Even the Blacks of Africa have to accept that Africa is to be 'shared' with the other 7 Races and it's not just for Blacks 'only'.

If you deduct all the handouts, indexed, over their history - there won't be much left in the pot... enough for a pardy, bro... you bring a woman an' a flagon and a case, eh?

Not only that, bro - but your Fabled Yellow Man and Fabled Black Man is riding, for the moment, on the White Man's Burden Heritage handed to them to 'bring them up to scratch ... soon it will be "No More Mr Nice White Guy!"

Even the Sallows are riding here on the White Man's Work... Ay-rabs wouldn't know oil from date juice unless the White Man showed them.. and as for the Sub-Continentals - they are riding high on the White Man's education and standards... that's why they come here... because those same standards do not apply evenly 'over there'...

"The goal, really, had always been, first and foremost, to humble the West - to daub the teacher's face with mud - by kicking the white man out of XX and bringing about an end, once and for all, win or lose, of what former Prime Minister Konoe had so aptly termed Anglo-Saxon global hegemony.  The Caucasian bogeyman - and the unspeakable fear that he might really be the superior being he seemed to think himself - had whispered in the ear and haunted the nightmares of the XX psyche for the last XXXX years, since XXXX first fouled the waters of XXXXXX, humiliating the nation by forcing it to accommodate to (Westerners) and their insulting demands."

Boo-hoo.... wait until all the running dogs who think all this Aboriginal activism and demand for huge payouts are all great and good - and it's going to cost THEM... gives new meaning to the term 'Useful Fools' ....   8-)

Downe At Ye Olde Court House in Ye Inqueste over Captain Fraser's Death:-

"Nah, then, Buggayagunyah... you say you didn't ill-treat Captain Fraser?"

"Nah, Boss - we jus' spear 'im a little an' starve 'im - ye know - we don' ill-treat 'im, eh?"

"What about his wife?"

"Dat a woman, Boss - dey good for somepin... ya know?  We don' use dat kinda spear on 'er, no way!  an' we feed 'er good, too!  She carry a good load on 'er back, that one!"

"What happened to the ship-load of grog?"

"Ah - we drank some bit of it, Boss - mebbe eighty percent - took a whole week, too, but it was going to waste anyway ...but we blew the rest on another tribe.. trade for headache remedy, y'know?."

Valkie wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 4:39pm:

cods wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 4:33pm: Pedro Curevo wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 2:54pm: Aboriginal people all through colonial history years have been pushed aside and told to shut up....now they have an assertive voice that is getting stronger and they are elbowing their way to the front of the queue and a percentage of white honkies just don't like that at all. They wont get everything they want such as all their land back such as it goes the future cannot go on without recognition of their cultural history to the land written into the constitution. Nor can it be something given back be abused by the rest of society as with Uluru given back and then folk continue climbing over it defecating or having heart attacks, needing rescuing...certainly the indigenous voice cannot be quelled by neoliberalist Gina Rinehart tribal quibbler's.... ::)      can I ask   what have they done with the land they have been given so far??..  are they using it to sustain their own lifestyle do you know???.... we never hear how they depend on whitey [handouts] all year round    I can only presume with the new tactics   it means they intend to be self sufficient... ::) ::)..no need for whitey and his money... is that the idea? Of course not They will simply waste it, or as much as they can, before the administrators take over. On the central coast where I live They were given a tract of land that the said was sacred land. They sold it off before the ink was dry. Then they wasted 1/2 of the $40 something million in a couple of years. Nothing to show for it. Now the whyning bludgers complain that they want their money. But they are still getting abbo handouts and the dole. None, not one works.

true

So if I know 42 Aboriginal variations of language. Have a huge knowledge of Native Plants and Animals. Of how the Land has aged like a fine wine over the millenia's and more.
I too could be accepted as an Aboriginal, by the Aboriginals for my knowledge and respect of their culture, rather than just by blood or even marriage assimilation. I don't lose who I am previously. It's just another part of me (and all my mixed bloods) and who I am as an ever growing whole.

So many of those American Wild West and Frontier movies you all watched and you loved the guys who knew the Indians well, especially the ones who did it with 'Peace'.
No different here. To say Pascoe's interpretations from his 'White' racial background is wrong. Is like saying Bank's interpretations of the Flora of Australia is wrong. Because he was a Pom, right.  ;)
Maybe we still need 'Whities' to bring Aboriginal culture to a public awareness. Considering Aboriginals have had it hard trying to be heard from their own voices - haven't they.  ;)

Just like in the Maori Haka where a Maori Chief hid from his passing enemies and then when he came forth he found the 'Hairy' Man (Blue European) there like a new Friend and Ally.
So too should we stop hiding in our 'Prison' and step forth to make a new Friend.
We have much to learn from Aboriginal culture and the current Bushfire stuff-ups of CATASTROPHIC levels is a testament to that.
A lot of the profiting Kit Farms of the alternative style are succeeding in ever growing numbers due to their 'Aboriginal' learnings.

You don't need 'Blood' to become a Dalai Lama and you sure don't need aboriginal blood to be and feel Aboriginal in your great or small way. I'm sure nearly every serious Gardener in Australia feels that too.

So don't give me your racist denials and false accusations.
Fear is the mind killer and if you can't accept non-racially aboriginals knowing a thing or two than you do in your denial of their existence.
Then I think you should just bugger off overseas because it is their land and I'm allowed to stay here and you're not.
Get the continental drift?  ;)

Who said you need to know 42 dialects etc?  Isn't it a handshake, an exchange of gifts, and a "You in, Bro!"...

Where can I sign up as a WA Koon and cop my share of the $290Bn?  Long overdue given the loyalty, etc I've given this nation.....

Another novel coming up - "Betrayal"... might frighten some of you.... it can only be written as fiction..... 8-)  .. though I suppose I could get another 'fly-by' from an English pastor who seems to know a lot of things to ask, though...

Oh - that "anyone can become a Koon" stuff is a hangover (sic) from the days when their life was shorter, harder, more brutal, and a lot less sweet... groups could diminish overnight due to disease etc... so they would take in 'new blood' occasionally...

You'd be a walk-up start, JaS.... I only respect their culture enough to tell them when they are being plain silly... I don't give Respect™ via meek surrender and sage head-nodding to any bullshit or threat... and thus I am a better friend to them than simple, sycophantic, spineless, supplicants...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 7:33pm:

Who said you need to know 42 dialects etc?  Isn't it a handshake, an exchange of gifts, and a "You in, Bro!"... Where can I sign up as a WA Koon and cop my share of the $290Bn?  Long overdue given the loyalty, etc I've given this nation..... Another novel coming up - "Betrayal"... might frighten some of you.... it can only be written as fiction..... 8-)  .. though I suppose I could get another 'fly-by' from an English pastor who seems to know a lot of things to ask, though... Oh - that "anyone can become a Koon" stuff is a hangover (sic) from the days when their life was shorter, harder, more brutal, and a lot less sweet... groups could diminish overnight due to disease etc... so they would take in 'new blood' occasionally... You'd be a walk-up start, JaS.... I only respect their culture enough to tell them when they are being plain silly... I don't give Respect™ via meek surrender and sage head-nodding to any bullshit or threat... and thus I am a better friend to them than simple, sycophantic, spineless, supplicants...

Ahh. So you're the 'americanised' Australian.
Oh well. Your loss Grapps.

Jasin wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 8:27pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 7:33pm: Who said you need to know 42 dialects etc?  Isn't it a handshake, an exchange of gifts, and a "You in, Bro!"... Where can I sign up as a WA Koon and cop my share of the $290Bn?  Long overdue given the loyalty, etc I've given this nation..... Another novel coming up - "Betrayal"... might frighten some of you.... it can only be written as fiction..... 8-)  .. though I suppose I could get another 'fly-by' from an English pastor who seems to know a lot of things to ask, though... Oh - that "anyone can become a Koon" stuff is a hangover (sic) from the days when their life was shorter, harder, more brutal, and a lot less sweet... groups could diminish overnight due to disease etc... so they would take in 'new blood' occasionally... You'd be a walk-up start, JaS.... I only respect their culture enough to tell them when they are being plain silly... I don't give Respect™ via meek surrender and sage head-nodding to any bullshit or threat... and thus I am a better friend to them than simple, sycophantic, spineless, supplicants... Ahh. So you're the 'americanised' Australian. Oh well. Your loss Grapps.

Deep plunge there...

In the world of academia; any statement one makes is fair game. Pascoe can't (or won't) prove his claims of having real  actual, Aboriginal DNA. Not shared tribal rituals. Not secret handshakes. Actual protein strands that point to real aboriginal ancestry. Hard to believe an historian with such an approach to providing evidence.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 8:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:27pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 7:33pm: Who said you need to know 42 dialects etc?  Isn't it a handshake, an exchange of gifts, and a "You in, Bro!"... Where can I sign up as a WA Koon and cop my share of the $290Bn?  Long overdue given the loyalty, etc I've given this nation..... Another novel coming up - "Betrayal"... might frighten some of you.... it can only be written as fiction..... 8-)  .. though I suppose I could get another 'fly-by' from an English pastor who seems to know a lot of things to ask, though... Oh - that "anyone can become a Koon" stuff is a hangover (sic) from the days when their life was shorter, harder, more brutal, and a lot less sweet... groups could diminish overnight due to disease etc... so they would take in 'new blood' occasionally... You'd be a walk-up start, JaS.... I only respect their culture enough to tell them when they are being plain silly... I don't give Respect™ via meek surrender and sage head-nodding to any bullshit or threat... and thus I am a better friend to them than simple, sycophantic, spineless, supplicants... Ahh. So you're the 'americanised' Australian. Oh well. Your loss Grapps. Deep plunge there...

I am a scuba diver afterall ;)

Jasin wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 10:57pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:31pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:27pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 7:33pm: Who said you need to know 42 dialects etc?  Isn't it a handshake, an exchange of gifts, and a "You in, Bro!"... Where can I sign up as a WA Koon and cop my share of the $290Bn?  Long overdue given the loyalty, etc I've given this nation..... Another novel coming up - "Betrayal"... might frighten some of you.... it can only be written as fiction..... 8-)  .. though I suppose I could get another 'fly-by' from an English pastor who seems to know a lot of things to ask, though... Oh - that "anyone can become a Koon" stuff is a hangover (sic) from the days when their life was shorter, harder, more brutal, and a lot less sweet... groups could diminish overnight due to disease etc... so they would take in 'new blood' occasionally... You'd be a walk-up start, JaS.... I only respect their culture enough to tell them when they are being plain silly... I don't give Respect™ via meek surrender and sage head-nodding to any bullshit or threat... and thus I am a better friend to them than simple, sycophantic, spineless, supplicants... Ahh. So you're the 'americanised' Australian. Oh well. Your loss Grapps. Deep plunge there... I am a scuba diver afterall ;)

Aha, happy diving on old wrecks, are we?

Bed time... too weary...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 11:00pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 10:57pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:31pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:27pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 7:33pm: Who said you need to know 42 dialects etc?  Isn't it a handshake, an exchange of gifts, and a "You in, Bro!"... Where can I sign up as a WA Koon and cop my share of the $290Bn?  Long overdue given the loyalty, etc I've given this nation..... Another novel coming up - "Betrayal"... might frighten some of you.... it can only be written as fiction..... 8-)  .. though I suppose I could get another 'fly-by' from an English pastor who seems to know a lot of things to ask, though... Oh - that "anyone can become a Koon" stuff is a hangover (sic) from the days when their life was shorter, harder, more brutal, and a lot less sweet... groups could diminish overnight due to disease etc... so they would take in 'new blood' occasionally... You'd be a walk-up start, JaS.... I only respect their culture enough to tell them when they are being plain silly... I don't give Respect™ via meek surrender and sage head-nodding to any bullshit or threat... and thus I am a better friend to them than simple, sycophantic, spineless, supplicants... Ahh. So you're the 'americanised' Australian. Oh well. Your loss Grapps. Deep plunge there... I am a scuba diver afterall ;) Aha, happy diving on old wrecks, are we? Bed time... too weary...

Nah, more like Muff Diver.
It's a great pick-up hobby and nothing like unzipping a hot woman in a wettie.  ;)

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 9:20pm:

In the world of academia; any statement one makes is fair game. Pascoe can't (or won't) prove his claims of having real  actual, Aboriginal DNA. Not shared tribal rituals. Not secret handshakes. Actual protein strands that point to real aboriginal ancestry. Hard to believe an historian with such an approach to providing evidence.

Yes, but he wrote some fantasy about abbos being more than primitive hunter gatherers
He promotes the lies that they were more than pre-stone age, incapable of lashing a rock to a stick.
He lied about his heritage and everything in his little book.

But he is constantly quoted by the idiots who wish to promote aboriginal culture as more than it ever was.

Anyone who chooses to use this book as "proof" is no better than this liar Pascoe.

That or they are just stupid.

Jasin wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 11:07pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 11:00pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 10:57pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:31pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:27pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 7:33pm: Who said you need to know 42 dialects etc?  Isn't it a handshake, an exchange of gifts, and a "You in, Bro!"... Where can I sign up as a WA Koon and cop my share of the $290Bn?  Long overdue given the loyalty, etc I've given this nation..... Another novel coming up - "Betrayal"... might frighten some of you.... it can only be written as fiction..... 8-)  .. though I suppose I could get another 'fly-by' from an English pastor who seems to know a lot of things to ask, though... Oh - that "anyone can become a Koon" stuff is a hangover (sic) from the days when their life was shorter, harder, more brutal, and a lot less sweet... groups could diminish overnight due to disease etc... so they would take in 'new blood' occasionally... You'd be a walk-up start, JaS.... I only respect their culture enough to tell them when they are being plain silly... I don't give Respect™ via meek surrender and sage head-nodding to any bullshit or threat... and thus I am a better friend to them than simple, sycophantic, spineless, supplicants... Ahh. So you're the 'americanised' Australian. Oh well. Your loss Grapps. Deep plunge there... I am a scuba diver afterall ;) Aha, happy diving on old wrecks, are we? Bed time... too weary... Nah, more like Muff Diver. It's a great pick-up hobby and nothing like unzipping a hot woman in a wettie.  ;)

When the weather is vile, it is always better to be inside...

"You don't need 'Blood' to become a Dalai Lama and you sure don't need aboriginal blood to be and feel Aboriginal in your great or small way. I'm sure nearly every serious Gardener in Australia feels that too."

Everyone who climbed Ayers Rock felt that way, too... but the racist closure of it has ruined that experience for everyone... trouble is, JaS, it's not just an 'Aboriginal' feeling... they are, after all, a noisy and troublesome minority.

You don't need Aboriginal blood to be and feel Australian ... get with the 21st century...

Jasin wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 1:04pm:

Capt James Fraser with his ship the Stirling Castle (its cargo was mostly 'grog') shipwrecked 200km north of Fraser Island. There they were taken care of by the local Aboriginals. With his wife Eliza and 11 survivors were looked after in a place known as 'Paradise' when translated. The 'reports' later say that Fraser & Co were 'captured' and that Fraser died of Malnutrition and Spear wounds. Eliza seems to have 'escaped' via an Irish convict who just happened to be living with them for some years (obviously not malnourished). The group was later rescued by a band of European soldiers and she claimed she was mistreated and abused by the Aboriginals. Lonely Planet founder Tony Wheeler, in his book 'Islands of Australia' says that there are 'conflicting' reports about that moment. Eliza Fraser, being paid for her tales, reports her six weeks up there as 'captivity' and abuse. So it roused public anger and Soldiers were sent up to 'genocide' that tribe from that area. The only apparent conflict is that the 'others' said they were all well treated, fed and given refuge. But it seems the prima-donas of James and his Wife thought otherwise. It must have been an assault on their egos that they needed to be cared for by 'primitives'.  Roll Eyes But the other reports of 'good treatment' came too late for the Aboriginals who were 'butchered' on the whims of Eliza's fragile little eggshell accusations. This kinda sums up the entirety of Australian early Colonial History - where one half took the negative approach and the other half wondered what all the fuss was about. Even during the Aboriginal uprising in the Wiradjiri area. Many 'white' Families who got on well with the Aboriginals were not attacked and were given a representative for their protection, while hordes of Abos scoured the lands for the evil Whites and their guns after a Greenkeeper decided to shoot one of them on a pathetic whim. It's obvious that those who take the negative approach to Abos are the perpetraitors of evil in the form of genocides and massacres (because they happen to just have a bigger stick Roll Eyes in their technological superiority). While the majority of Australians appreciated the Aboriginals and did 'co-exist' harmoniously. One Farming Family were so, when the Aboriginals kept their lands clean, clear and well maintained at the cost of the odd sheep being taken for food. It was a symbiotic relationship. But not all Farmers thought that way and took 'absolutism and extremism' in eradicating 'people' like vermin and pests. Thankfully, today - we are seeing more of the truth coming out and the decent Australians can 'co-exist' with an Aboriginal presence here, like they do with any other people's around the world that come here. ...but then you have the racists, who can't compete fairly because they are lacking and must 'destroy' the competition at all costs with lies and violence. Much like American Economics works. ________________ As you can see. A lot of Australian reports on Abos were all LIES. Pretty sure James & Eliza were just Groggers who complained about everything that didn't go their precious way, even when they caused it themselves. Seems a lot of Australians were 'Groggers' and sought 'violence' and 'power' as the justification to keep their spoiled lives inebriated. So the 'City' mentality of the early Australian society was ANTI - bush, rural and most of all - Aboriginal. A lot of reports, sketches of Aboriginals were just 'abusive' in their aims. While many others showed more appreciation for Aboriginal existence. Got a dirty drunk abo on your doorstep? Chances are - you deserve it as 'Like attracts Like'.

There are several different tribal ares involved in the Eliza Fraser story.

The Badtjala of Fraser Island & surrounds were known as being hostile.

Eliza Fraser was found on the mainland near Lake Cootharaba which is Gubbi Gubbi country.

So Aboriginals weren't just Aboriginals ... they were different tribal groups which often went to war against each other.

So your script is full of generalisations.

re: "groggers" .... the Eliza Fraser was carrying "grog" ... i.e. exporting to Singapore.....

it wasn't selling it to Aboriginals. They had no currency or goods to trade.

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Traces of the natives appeared at every step, sometimes in their hunting-huts, which consist of nothing more than a large piece of bark, bent in the middle, and open at both ends, exactly resembling two cards, set up to form an acute angle.

When prevented by tempestuous weather, or any other cause, from fishing, these people suffer severely. They have then no resource, but to pick up shell-fish, which may happen to cling to the rocks, and be cast on the beach; to hunt particular reptiles and small animals, which are scarce; to dig fern root in the swamps; or to gather a few berries, destitute of flavour and nutrition, which the woods afford. To alleviate the sensation of hunger, they tie a ligature tightly around the belly, as I have often seen our soldiers do from the same cause.
Let us, however, suppose them successful in procuring fish. The wife returns to land with her booty, and the husband quitting the rock joins his stock to hers; and they repair either to some neighbouring cavern, or to their hut. This last is composed of pieces of bark, very rudely piled together, in shape as like a soldier's tent as any known image to which I can compare it: too low to admit the lord of it to stand upright; but long and wide enough to admit three or four persons to lie under it. “Here shelters himself a being, born with all those powers which education  expands, and all those sensations which culture refines.” With a lighted stick brought from the canoe, they now kindle a small fire, at the mouth of the hut, and prepare to dress their meal. They begin by throwing the fish, exactly in the state in which it came from the water, on the fire. When it has become a little warmed they take it off, rub away the scales, and then peal off with their teeth the surface, which they find done, and eat. Now, and not before, they gut it; but if the fish be a mullet, or any other which has a fatty substance about the intestines, they carefully guard that part, and esteem it a delicacy. The cooking is now completed, by the remaining part being laid on the fire until it be sufficiently done. A bird, a lizard, a rat, or any other animal, they treat in the same manner: the feathers of the one, and the fur of the other, they thus get rid of.


Two of them once stole twelve pounds of rice, and carried it off. They knew how we cooked it; and by way of putting it in practice, they spread the rice on the ground, before a fire, and as it grew hot continued to throw water on it. Their ingenuity was however very ill rewarded; for the rice became so mingled with the dirt and sand on which it was laid, that even they could not eat it; and the whole was spoiled.

http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/p00044.pdf

1788 - the encounter between people who recently invented the steam engine and people who couldn't even boil water (but apparently had sophisticated buildings and agriculture...)

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2019 at 9:20pm:

In the world of academia; any statement one makes is fair game. Pascoe can't (or won't) prove his claims of having real  actual, Aboriginal DNA. Not shared tribal rituals. Not secret handshakes. Actual protein strands that point to real aboriginal ancestry. Hard to believe an historian with such an approach to providing evidence.

When you provide your evidence that you completely lack Indigenous DNA, Hammer I don't doubt that Pascoe will.   You willing to?  ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 11:06am:

Traces of the natives appeared at every step, sometimes in their hunting-huts, which consist of nothing more than a large piece of bark, bent in the middle, and open at both ends, exactly resembling two cards, set up to form an acute angle. When prevented by tempestuous weather, or any other cause, from fishing, these people suffer severely. They have then no resource, but to pick up shell-fish, which may happen to cling to the rocks, and be cast on the beach; to hunt particular reptiles and small animals, which are scarce; to dig fern root in the swamps; or to gather a few berries, destitute of flavour and nutrition, which the woods afford. To alleviate the sensation of hunger, they tie a ligature tightly around the belly, as I have often seen our soldiers do from the same cause. Let us, however, suppose them successful in procuring fish. The wife returns to land with her booty, and the husband quitting the rock joins his stock to hers; and they repair either to some neighbouring cavern, or to their hut. This last is composed of pieces of bark, very rudely piled together, in shape as like a soldier's tent as any known image to which I can compare it: too low to admit the lord of it to stand upright; but long and wide enough to admit three or four persons to lie under it. “Here shelters himself a being, born with all those powers which education  expands, and all those sensations which culture refines.” With a lighted stick brought from the canoe, they now kindle a small fire, at the mouth of the hut, and prepare to dress their meal. They begin by throwing the fish, exactly in the state in which it came from the water, on the fire. When it has become a little warmed they take it off, rub away the scales, and then peal off with their teeth the surface, which they find done, and eat. Now, and not before, they gut it; but if the fish be a mullet, or any other which has a fatty substance about the intestines, they carefully guard that part, and esteem it a delicacy. The cooking is now completed, by the remaining part being laid on the fire until it be sufficiently done. A bird, a lizard, a rat, or any other animal, they treat in the same manner: the feathers of the one, and the fur of the other, they thus get rid of. Two of them once stole twelve pounds of rice, and carried it off. They knew how we cooked it; and by way of putting it in practice, they spread the rice on the ground, before a fire, and as it grew hot continued to throw water on it. Their ingenuity was however very ill rewarded; for the rice became so mingled with the dirt and sand on which it was laid, that even they could not eat it; and the whole was spoiled. http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/p00044.pdf 1788 - the encounter between people who recently invented the steam engine and people who couldn't even boil water (but apparently had sophisticated buildings and agriculture...)

1788 the first settlement of NSW around Sydney Harbour.  Sydney Harbour is a food "desert" apparently, with little nutritionally growing there before the arrival of the White Settlers.   Australia is a vast continent, with many different climatic zones and settlement patterns.   Why, Soren, do you and all the Racists assume what was happening in and around Sydney was also happening in say, Victoria or Western Australia or Tasmania or Queensland?  Mmmm?  Tell us, were the same things happening London as were occurring in say Poland or Russia or Greece?  Mmmm?  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 1:05pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 11:06am: Traces of the natives appeared at every step, sometimes in their hunting-huts, which consist of nothing more than a large piece of bark, bent in the middle, and open at both ends, exactly resembling two cards, set up to form an acute angle. When prevented by tempestuous weather, or any other cause, from fishing, these people suffer severely. They have then no resource, but to pick up shell-fish, which may happen to cling to the rocks, and be cast on the beach; to hunt particular reptiles and small animals, which are scarce; to dig fern root in the swamps; or to gather a few berries, destitute of flavour and nutrition, which the woods afford. To alleviate the sensation of hunger, they tie a ligature tightly around the belly, as I have often seen our soldiers do from the same cause. Let us, however, suppose them successful in procuring fish. The wife returns to land with her booty, and the husband quitting the rock joins his stock to hers; and they repair either to some neighbouring cavern, or to their hut. This last is composed of pieces of bark, very rudely piled together, in shape as like a soldier's tent as any known image to which I can compare it: too low to admit the lord of it to stand upright; but long and wide enough to admit three or four persons to lie under it. “Here shelters himself a being, born with all those powers which education  expands, and all those sensations which culture refines.” With a lighted stick brought from the canoe, they now kindle a small fire, at the mouth of the hut, and prepare to dress their meal. They begin by throwing the fish, exactly in the state in which it came from the water, on the fire. When it has become a little warmed they take it off, rub away the scales, and then peal off with their teeth the surface, which they find done, and eat. Now, and not before, they gut it; but if the fish be a mullet, or any other which has a fatty substance about the intestines, they carefully guard that part, and esteem it a delicacy. The cooking is now completed, by the remaining part being laid on the fire until it be sufficiently done. A bird, a lizard, a rat, or any other animal, they treat in the same manner: the feathers of the one, and the fur of the other, they thus get rid of. Two of them once stole twelve pounds of rice, and carried it off. They knew how we cooked it; and by way of putting it in practice, they spread the rice on the ground, before a fire, and as it grew hot continued to throw water on it. Their ingenuity was however very ill rewarded; for the rice became so mingled with the dirt and sand on which it was laid, that even they could not eat it; and the whole was spoiled. http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/p00044.pdf 1788 - the encounter between people who recently invented the steam engine and people who couldn't even boil water (but apparently had sophisticated buildings and agriculture...) 1788 the first settlement of NSW around Sydney Harbour.  Sydney Harbour is a food "desert" apparently, with little nutritionally growing there before the arrival of the White Settlers.   Australia is a vast continent, with many different climatic zones and settlement patterns.   Why, Soren, do you and all the Racists assume what was happening in and around Sydney was also happening in say, Victoria or Western Australia or Tasmania or Queensland?  Mmmm?  Tell us, were the same things happening London as were occurring in say Poland or Russia or Greece?  Mmmm?  ::) ::)

Bruce Pascoes theories are just fanciful imaginings.

https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/

What a racist fabrication you provided Frank.
Rice (and I know we grow the best quality in the world), has always been a part of Aboriginal culture. The native RICE here has a more sweeter flavour and is gaining an international fame.
To depict Aboriginals as not having a 'clue' about how to cook rice sums up the centuries of Propaganda Bullshtt we have been fed about our 'fellow' Australians.
It's ok for Valkie to support what is said 'against' Aboriginals  , but it's not ok for Aboriginals to say something 'for' themselves. You're a closet Dictator Valkie.
At the mere slightest I could accept that 'that' particular tribe had no knowledge of Rice as it may not have grown well in their 'neighbourhood'.
As for Aboriginals use a quick method 'Tent' shelter in their wanderings (mostly on their own land). Take a look today at everyone going camping with but the bear essentials.
It hardly rains now! What need for a shelter against clear night skies?  :-?  Yeah right.  ::)
I think some of you should re-asses your thoughts.
You seem to take a stand of considering Aboriginals as something less. But then you only undermine your own existence here as something less too. Like it or not - they are here to stay, 'solid as a rock' and you might as well make the best of it.

...or are you gonna commit 'murder' in the eyes of the world?

Already in an Aboriginal Community, after one of their kids was gunned down by Police. The Aboriginal People have come forth in 'Peace' and unarmed to ask the Police not to come with 'Guns'.
...afterall, they are just 'inferior primitives' - what reason do you have to fear them and gun them down? What did they ever do to you? Considering  what they British have done to you - sending you here like a Criminal.

Jasin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

What a racist fabrication you provided Frank. Rice (and I know we grow the best quality in the world), has always been a part of Aboriginal culture. The native RICE here has a more sweeter flavour and is gaining an international fame. To depict Aboriginals as not having a 'clue' about how to cook rice sums up the centuries of Propaganda Bullshtt we have been fed about our 'fellow' Australians. It's ok for Valkie to support what is said 'against' Aboriginals  , but it's not ok for Aboriginals to say something 'for' themselves. You're a closet Dictator Valkie. At the mere slightest I could accept that 'that' particular tribe had no knowledge of Rice as it may not have grown well in their 'neighbourhood'. As for Aboriginals use a quick method 'Tent' shelter in their wanderings (mostly on their own land). Take a look today at everyone going camping with but the bear essentials. It hardly rains now! What need for a shelter against clear night skies?  :-?  Yeah right.  ::) I think some of you should re-asses your thoughts. You seem to take a stand of considering Aboriginals as something less. But then you only undermine your own existence here as something less too. Like it or not - they are here to stay, 'solid as a rock' and you might as well make the best of it. ...or are you gonna commit 'murder' in the eyes of the world? Already in an Aboriginal Community, after one of their kids was gunned down by Police. The Aboriginal People have come forth in 'Peace' and unarmed to ask the Police not to come with 'Guns'. ...afterall, they are just 'inferior primitives' - what reason do you have to fear them and gun them down? What did they ever do to you? Considering  what they British have done to you - sending you here like a Criminal.

No, no, Soren flew here.  His father decided to immigrate here.   Always remember, he flew here, we were born here, mate.  ::)

Jasin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

What a racist fabrication you provided Frank. Rice (and I know we grow the best quality in the world), has always been a part of Aboriginal culture. The native RICE here has a more sweeter flavour and is gaining an international fame. To depict Aboriginals as not having a 'clue' about how to cook rice sums up the centuries of Propaganda Bullshtt we have been fed about our 'fellow' Australians. It's ok for Valkie to support what is said 'against' Aboriginals  , but it's not ok for Aboriginals to say something 'for' themselves. You're a closet Dictator Valkie. At the mere slightest I could accept that 'that' particular tribe had no knowledge of Rice as it may not have grown well in their 'neighbourhood'. As for Aboriginals use a quick method 'Tent' shelter in their wanderings (mostly on their own land). Take a look today at everyone going camping with but the bear essentials. It hardly rains now! What need for a shelter against clear night skies?  :-?  Yeah right.  ::) I think some of you should re-asses your thoughts. You seem to take a stand of considering Aboriginals as something less. But then you only undermine your own existence here as something less too. Like it or not - they are here to stay, 'solid as a rock' and you might as well make the best of it. ...or are you gonna commit 'murder' in the eyes of the world? Already in an Aboriginal Community, after one of their kids was gunned down by Police. The Aboriginal People have come forth in 'Peace' and unarmed to ask the Police not to come with 'Guns'. ...afterall, they are just 'inferior primitives' - what reason do you have to fear them and gun them down? What did they ever do to you? Considering  what they British have done to you - sending you here like a Criminal.

did you recently discover within yourself a smidgin of black fella?  Is that what all your rantings lately can be attributed to?  Nice work being 'part Abo' -- money for nothing and endless whining.  We should all play the game, quit work, claim aboriginality, sit around complaining and blaming.  See how fast the law and 'students' unions' change their mind about 'everyone can be an Abo'

Just have to burn our birth certs and those of our kids and sit back and wait for the free money, housing, trips to 'discover our Abo heritage' etc roll in

great idea.  Let's do it.  We're all Abos now

So you also are saying that although the British can have their Representative in the form of the Governor-General and all those Media Aussie Celebrities (like Clive James)
...as can the USA with the Prime Minister and the more Media Movie Stars.

But the Aboriginals can't have any 'representation'?
What is it that you aren't sharing here?
What 'crime' did you commit that holds so much shame?

Jasin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 10:06pm:

So you also are saying that although the British can have their Representative in the form of the Governor-General and all those Media Aussie Celebrities (like Clive James) ...as can the USA with the Prime Minister and the more Media Movie Stars. But the Aboriginals can't have any 'representation'? What is it that you aren't sharing here? What 'crime' did you commit that holds so much shame?

Aboriginals have representation - they've had the vote for years... there is no justification for special treatment to one social group... no entitlement™ to automatic appointment to a seat in Parliament etc... they have to WIN it according to the rules...

How, for example, did Ken Wyatt, that laughable kangaroo skin wearing white man with a touch of the tar brush, get his seat?

If a decent Koon with a decent policy stood here I might vote for him/her - but not if their entire platform was 'US/US - and never THEM"... I'd venture to suggest that it is BECAUSE they are so one-tracked that nobody wants to vote for them.... same as dopey sheilas.. and yet Labor hasn't worked that out yet....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 10:24pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 10:06pm: So you also are saying that although the British can have their Representative in the form of the Governor-General and all those Media Aussie Celebrities (like Clive James) ...as can the USA with the Prime Minister and the more Media Movie Stars. But the Aboriginals can't have any 'representation'? What is it that you aren't sharing here? What 'crime' did you commit that holds so much shame? Aboriginals have representation - they've had the vote for years... there is no justification for special treatment to one social group... no entitlement™ to automatic appointment to a seat in Parliament etc... they have to WIN it according to the rules... If a decent Koon with a decent policy stood here I might vote for him/her - but not if their entire platform was 'US/US - and never THEM"... I'd venture to suggest that it is BECAUSE they are so one-tracked that nobody wants to vote for them.... same as dopey sheilas.. and yet Labor hasn't worked that out yet....

Special treatment?
Isn't that what your Politicians get?

Jasin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 10:26pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 10:24pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 10:06pm: So you also are saying that although the British can have their Representative in the form of the Governor-General and all those Media Aussie Celebrities (like Clive James) ...as can the USA with the Prime Minister and the more Media Movie Stars. But the Aboriginals can't have any 'representation'? What is it that you aren't sharing here? What 'crime' did you commit that holds so much shame? Aboriginals have representation - they've had the vote for years... there is no justification for special treatment to one social group... no entitlement™ to automatic appointment to a seat in Parliament etc... they have to WIN it according to the rules... If a decent Koon with a decent policy stood here I might vote for him/her - but not if their entire platform was 'US/US - and never THEM"... I'd venture to suggest that it is BECAUSE they are so one-tracked that nobody wants to vote for them.... same as dopey sheilas.. and yet Labor hasn't worked that out yet.... Special treatment? Isn't that what your Politicians get?

'MY' politicians? I don't vote for the pricks - I vote for Independents who only get up occasionally.  I'll let you know when they are 'my' politicians.....

They do not get special treatment in having the entitlement™ of being APPOINTED to a seat - they have to win it... it may well be stacked because it is a 'safe seat' - but that is not the same thing as just being handed a seat.

Your kind are demanding that Aboriginals be appointed to a seat without an election... or at the very least, have a body with power to influence government, which nobody else has.  Before you put both feet in it - lobby groups are not appointed and paid by the government - you are demanding that Aboriginals receive a totally special treatment by being so appointed and paid, and essentially forming a separate Parliament.

It will not wash... that dingo don't hunt...

::)  ::)  ::)

Special Treatment for your British'd Governor-General and your Americanised Prime Minister?

Culture innit?

Jasin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 10:39pm:

Special Treatment for your British'd Governor-General and your Americanised Prime Minister? Culture innit?

Again - not mine - I'm a Republican...

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 9:20pm: In the world of academia; any statement one makes is fair game. Pascoe can't (or won't) prove his claims of having real  actual, Aboriginal DNA. Not shared tribal rituals. Not secret handshakes. Actual protein strands that point to real aboriginal ancestry. Hard to believe an historian with such an approach to providing evidence. When you provide your evidence that you completely lack Indigenous DNA, Hammer I don't doubt that Pascoe will.   You willing to?  ::) ::)

Ken oath I'd provide evidence. Except I don't have a reputation/livelihood riding on it. I wouldn't care If I had aboriginal DNA. What's more, I wouldn't expect anyone else to. Why do you?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 12:01am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 12:59pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 9:20pm: In the world of academia; any statement one makes is fair game. Pascoe can't (or won't) prove his claims of having real  actual, Aboriginal DNA. Not shared tribal rituals. Not secret handshakes. Actual protein strands that point to real aboriginal ancestry. Hard to believe an historian with such an approach to providing evidence. When you provide your evidence that you completely lack Indigenous DNA, Hammer I don't doubt that Pascoe will.   You willing to?  ::) ::) Ken oath I'd provide evidence. Except I don't have a reputation/livelihood riding on it. I wouldn't care If I had aboriginal DNA. What's more, I wouldn't expect anyone else to. Why do you?

I woukd love some proof that I was part abbo.

I'd ride high on the abbo banner.

Free education woukd be my mainstay, I could promote myself as a successful abbo.

My children could gain from it too with far cheaper home loans, and imagine how my son could benifit from it with his property.

But tis not to be unfortunately.
So I guess I'm just have to work like a slave and pay exorbitant taxes, which will be thrown on the ground in front of lazy abbos.

Jasin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

What a racist fabrication you provided Frank. Rice (and I know we grow the best quality in the world), has always been a part of Aboriginal culture. The native RICE here has a more sweeter flavour and is gaining an international fame. To depict Aboriginals as not having a 'clue' about how to cook rice sums up the centuries of Propaganda Bullshtt we have been fed about our 'fellow' Australians. It's ok for Valkie to support what is said 'against' Aboriginals  , but it's not ok for Aboriginals to say something 'for' themselves. You're a closet Dictator Valkie. At the mere slightest I could accept that 'that' particular tribe had no knowledge of Rice as it may not have grown well in their 'neighbourhood'. As for Aboriginals use a quick method 'Tent' shelter in their wanderings (mostly on their own land). Take a look today at everyone going camping with but the bear essentials. It hardly rains now! What need for a shelter against clear night skies?  :-?  Yeah right.  ::) I think some of you should re-asses your thoughts. You seem to take a stand of considering Aboriginals as something less. But then you only undermine your own existence here as something less too. Like it or not - they are here to stay, 'solid as a rock' and you might as well make the best of it. ...or are you gonna commit 'murder' in the eyes of the world? Already in an Aboriginal Community, after one of their kids was gunned down by Police. The Aboriginal People have come forth in 'Peace' and unarmed to ask the Police not to come with 'Guns'. ...afterall, they are just 'inferior primitives' - what reason do you have to fear them and gun them down? What did they ever do to you? Considering  what they British have done to you - sending you here like a Criminal.

Living in a dream world.

Abbos and native rice?

What are you taking?

Must be good to believe this rubbish.

If abbos had native rice, how did TGEY cook It?
They had no pots and pans, no bowls, no ability to cook rice.

If it cannot be simply thrown on the fire, they couldn't cook it.

Gnads wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 1:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 1:05pm: Frank wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 11:06am: Traces of the natives appeared at every step, sometimes in their hunting-huts, which consist of nothing more than a large piece of bark, bent in the middle, and open at both ends, exactly resembling two cards, set up to form an acute angle. When prevented by tempestuous weather, or any other cause, from fishing, these people suffer severely. They have then no resource, but to pick up shell-fish, which may happen to cling to the rocks, and be cast on the beach; to hunt particular reptiles and small animals, which are scarce; to dig fern root in the swamps; or to gather a few berries, destitute of flavour and nutrition, which the woods afford. To alleviate the sensation of hunger, they tie a ligature tightly around the belly, as I have often seen our soldiers do from the same cause. Let us, however, suppose them successful in procuring fish. The wife returns to land with her booty, and the husband quitting the rock joins his stock to hers; and they repair either to some neighbouring cavern, or to their hut. This last is composed of pieces of bark, very rudely piled together, in shape as like a soldier's tent as any known image to which I can compare it: too low to admit the lord of it to stand upright; but long and wide enough to admit three or four persons to lie under it. “Here shelters himself a being, born with all those powers which education  expands, and all those sensations which culture refines.” With a lighted stick brought from the canoe, they now kindle a small fire, at the mouth of the hut, and prepare to dress their meal. They begin by throwing the fish, exactly in the state in which it came from the water, on the fire. When it has become a little warmed they take it off, rub away the scales, and then peal off with their teeth the surface, which they find done, and eat. Now, and not before, they gut it; but if the fish be a mullet, or any other which has a fatty substance about the intestines, they carefully guard that part, and esteem it a delicacy. The cooking is now completed, by the remaining part being laid on the fire until it be sufficiently done. A bird, a lizard, a rat, or any other animal, they treat in the same manner: the feathers of the one, and the fur of the other, they thus get rid of. Two of them once stole twelve pounds of rice, and carried it off. They knew how we cooked it; and by way of putting it in practice, they spread the rice on the ground, before a fire, and as it grew hot continued to throw water on it. Their ingenuity was however very ill rewarded; for the rice became so mingled with the dirt and sand on which it was laid, that even they could not eat it; and the whole was spoiled. http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/p00044.pdf 1788 - the encounter between people who recently invented the steam engine and people who couldn't even boil water (but apparently had sophisticated buildings and agriculture...) 1788 the first settlement of NSW around Sydney Harbour.  Sydney Harbour is a food "desert" apparently, with little nutritionally growing there before the arrival of the White Settlers.   Australia is a vast continent, with many different climatic zones and settlement patterns.   Why, Soren, do you and all the Racists assume what was happening in and around Sydney was also happening in say, Victoria or Western Australia or Tasmania or Queensland?  Mmmm?  Tell us, were the same things happening London as were occurring in say Poland or Russia or Greece?  Mmmm?  ::) ::) Bruce Pascoes theories are just fanciful imaginings. https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/

Exposed alright. Dark Emu is a printed hoax. A bloody yarn....nothing more.



Pascoe refers to this myth as "widespread Australian aboriginal industry".
So I guess that means it happened all over Australia. Victoria or western Australia or Tasmania or Queensland.  ;D

Put your head back in the feed lot brian.  :D

Jasin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

What a racist fabrication you provided Frank. Rice (and I know we grow the best quality in the world), has always been a part of Aboriginal culture. The native RICE here has a more sweeter flavour and is gaining an international fame. To depict Aboriginals as not having a 'clue' about how to cook rice sums up the centuries of Propaganda Bullshtt we have been fed about our 'fellow' Australians. It's ok for Valkie to support what is said 'against' Aboriginals  , but it's not ok for Aboriginals to say something 'for' themselves. You're a closet Dictator Valkie. At the mere slightest I could accept that 'that' particular tribe had no knowledge of Rice as it may not have grown well in their 'neighbourhood'. As for Aboriginals use a quick method 'Tent' shelter in their wanderings (mostly on their own land). Take a look today at everyone going camping with but the bear essentials. It hardly rains now! What need for a shelter against clear night skies?  :-?  Yeah right.  ::) I think some of you should re-asses your thoughts. You seem to take a stand of considering Aboriginals as something less. But then you only undermine your own existence here as something less too. Like it or not - they are here to stay, 'solid as a rock' and you might as well make the best of it. ...or are you gonna commit 'murder' in the eyes of the world? Already in an Aboriginal Community, after one of their kids was gunned down by Police. The Aboriginal People have come forth in 'Peace' and unarmed to ask the Police not to come with 'Guns'. ...afterall, they are just 'inferior primitives' - what reason do you have to fear them and gun them down? What did they ever do to you? Considering  what they British have done to you - sending you here like a Criminal.

Rice was never on this continent dickhead.

If you read the Eliza Fraser story you posted you find out that in one instance Aboriginals stole 2 sacks of rice ...

after watching it being prepared .... they took it & threw it on the fire & hot sand near the fire .... they had no concept of or utensil for boiling water.

Stop talking shyte ... you & Pascoe would make a good mentor & apprentice team.

You to can learn how to make money from selling fiction.

Fiction?

Well you  obviously can't 'believe' in your fellow man.
So I guess you might be right there for your own benefit.
::)
I can't imagine you making a good Ambassador.  ;D

Valkie has Bangladeshi blood.  ;D

Grapps is hanging on a thin limb with him being a Republican. What Republic are you talking about?
There is no Republic here. :P

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 9:20pm: In the world of academia; any statement one makes is fair game. Pascoe can't (or won't) prove his claims of having real  actual, Aboriginal DNA. Not shared tribal rituals. Not secret handshakes. Actual protein strands that point to real aboriginal ancestry. Hard to believe an historian with such an approach to providing evidence. When you provide your evidence that you completely lack Indigenous DNA, Hammer I don't doubt that Pascoe will.   You willing to?  ::) ::)

I've posted my Mum's DNA here . My dad's doesn't matter as he arrived here at 12 in 1948 where as my Mum's family has been here since 1850. Will you now beg Pascoe to do the same?

In the book and in interviews he admitted that his indigenous ancestry was distant, and he was “more Cornish than Koori”. It was all too much for the conservative commentator Andrew Bolt, who mocked Pascoe on his blog for succumbing to “the romance of the Noble Savage… the thrill of the superstitious”.

Others took legal action over such ridicule; Pascoe preferred to gently mock “Bolty” by ­offering to explain everything over a beer. The explanation would be long and involved, as Pascoe admits — he once stated that his great-grandmother had an Aboriginal name, but declines to elaborate today because the claim has put him in dispute with the Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre, which polices claims of Aboriginality in that state. It’s an example of how contested this territory can be, and Pascoe acknowledges the “schizophrenic” nature of ­having both Anglo and indigenous ancestry yet choosing one over the other. He has been to Britain and walked around the Cornish landscape of his forebears, he says, but felt nothing. “When people ask me whether I’m ‘really’ Aboriginal, because I’m so pale, I say ‘Yeah’. And when they ask me whether I can explain it, I say: ‘Have you got three hours?’”


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/weekend-australian-magazine/bruce-pascoe-the-man-behind-dark-emu/news-story/231cefabce2f0103de26b6402fef0e3f


I'm an aborigine. And I'm  Brian - and so is my wife.  If you have three hours I'll  explaine it.
Luckily noboby has three hours....

Ah, my wife's maternal side came out as Cornish miners to SA, then moved to WA. Perhaps they are Noongar(we are both from WA) and in for a windfall.

Not only that, on her father's side she's a Pickett! Her dad was born in Midland. You'd have to come from Perth to get that. It's one of the new "tribal" names. Looking forward to the future anyway. ;)

Jasin wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 10:19am:

Fiction? Well you  obviously can't 'believe' in your fellow man. So I guess you might be right there for your own benefit. ::) I can't imagine you making a good Ambassador.  ;D Valkie has Bangladeshi blood.  ;D Grapps is hanging on a thin limb with him being a Republican. What Republic are you talking about? There is no Republic here. :P

Not yet, laughing boy, but we need one - and at this time any change has to be for the better...

Talk about slow sometimes... gifted but hopelessly inexperienced... that's you...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 11:15pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 10:19am: Fiction? Well you  obviously can't 'believe' in your fellow man. So I guess you might be right there for your own benefit. ::) I can't imagine you making a good Ambassador.  ;D Valkie has Bangladeshi blood.  ;D Grapps is hanging on a thin limb with him being a Republican. What Republic are you talking about? There is no Republic here. :P Not yet, laughing boy, but we need one - and at this time any change has to be for the better... Talk about slow sometimes... gifted but hopelessly inexperienced... that's you...

That's unkind. I prefer to put it down to frequent nitrogen narcosis.

Aboriginals may have lacked 'adding water'.
But i don't see the whities doing it either.
They've stuffed the waterways up even worse.

Such a dried out continent innit? ;)

A lady once had a pet python, she had it since it was small and fed it and nurtured it and watched it grow.  It coiled up on her lap as she read or watched TV, and coiled up next to her in bed....

One day she rang her veterinarian friend, and said:-

"I'm concerned, the snake usually coils up, but tonight he's lying stretched out full length beside me in bed!"

The vet advised her to leave the house immediately..

She asked why, and the vet replied:-

"He's measuring you!"

Be careful who you lie down with.......

Setanta wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 11:18pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 11:15pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 10:19am: Fiction? Well you  obviously can't 'believe' in your fellow man. So I guess you might be right there for your own benefit. ::) I can't imagine you making a good Ambassador.  ;D Valkie has Bangladeshi blood.  ;D Grapps is hanging on a thin limb with him being a Republican. What Republic are you talking about? There is no Republic here. :P Not yet, laughing boy, but we need one - and at this time any change has to be for the better... Talk about slow sometimes... gifted but hopelessly inexperienced... that's you... That's unkind. I prefer to put it down to frequent nitrogen narcosis.

Trapped deep in the weeds while diving on one too many old wrecks.....  :o

Dark emu, like ALL aboriginal industry,

Is based, nurtured and grows on lies.

Sacred places, bull shite, it's no longer sacred to an abbo if it's known.

Secret women's business, another lie.

Smoking. Ceremony,  only introduced as a bull shite exercise to look important.

The abbos flag, designed by an "invader" and manufactured by "invaders".
No abbo ever could conceptualize the flag or the purpose of a flag, other than as a dress.

All lies, lazy deceitful lies by part cast white abbos to get FREE money for nothing.

The lengths they will go to rather than actually working, is amazing.

How many of the posters here have ever worked with or been served by an aboriginal??????

I'm putting g it out there.

How many of you have worked with or been served in a shop by an aboriginal in your life.

Sychophants will be quite obvious.

How's this for more made up BS..... and a good little earner as well


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Newly Invented Ancient Welcome You have to understand that when I left Australia in 2001 this so-called ceremony didn’t even exist, and if it did, nobody knew about it. Ten years later and not only was it being used to start sporting events but the Australian Federal parliament has to sit through it at the beginning of every day. I mean, how many fricking times does someone have to be welcomed to country? “Hey bro, we’re doing the welcome to country ceremony.” “But we did it yesterday.” “Yeah, well we have to do it again in case you forgot.” This underlines the utter absurdity and mischievous nature of this entire debacle. The welcome to country ceremony is just a nice little way to constantly remind ordinary Australians that they don’t belong here. Who Dreamed Up “Welcome to Country” It isn’t even a part of aboriginal culture. By all accounts it was invented back in the mid-70s by some performers. And how much does this little ceremony cost? You can’t even pay Elders directly. Perhaps they don’t want the idiot white man’s money to sully their hands. I wonder what you’d get for opening a new parliament after an election? Does $10,000 sound reasonable to you? As this article from Quadrant states, this “mysterious and ancient” tradition goes back about 40 years at most: The supposedly ancient ‘welcome’ tradition goes back 30-40 years, whereas the House of Commons goes back  nearly 700 years. Indigenous entertainers Ernie Dingo and Richard Whalley, of the Middar Aboriginal Theatre, claim to have invented the “welcome to country” in 1976 because two pairs of Maori visitors from NZ and the Cook Islands wanted an equivalent of their own traditional ceremony before they would dance at the Perth International Arts Festival. Another version is that activists shrewdly created the ceremony at about the same time to buttress land-rights claims. And Aboriginal Rhoda Roberts, head of indigenous programming at the Sydney Opera House, says the ceremonies were developed in the 1980s by members of the Aboriginal National Theatre Trust which she co-founded.

https://www.pickeringpost.com/adam-piggott/14676/dont-welcome-me-to-my-own-bloody-country/

https://www.wurundjeri.com.au/request-council-traditional-ceremony/

Below is the current price list from a Victorian Group Wurundjeri.

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Apparently Joseph Campbell was not 'blood related' to all the Cultures of the World, which he was noted as being one of the best experts of Academia on. With an internationally acclaimed best selling series of simple to read to complex books to show for it and a TV series.

But how dare he print all those 'lies' - because he was not 'them'. ::)
He knew a lot about Aboriginal culture, from way up there in North America.
Surely that proves his falseness and lies? :P

So with an Australian called Pascoe also doing the same - being an expert on Aboriginal culture, he too is called a 'Liar' and a 'Fraud'.  ::)

Well its good to see progress is being made since the days when all the 'expert' opinions came from Colonists who really were 'ignorant' of a lot of things here, besides the people who lived here already.

The 'Light' of the Aboriginal people may have been 'jilted' by the people of Africa like a tax write off.
Like the Amerindian was with the Asians.
...and the Spanish with the Europeans  ;)
(who fizz away like an indigenie in South America)

But for what they once 'were' - it was a viable and respectable existence and a part of our Global existence.

So many Whities, now known as Yowies, live in the bush.
They seem to do a lot better than the Whities on TV shows like 'Survivor'.  :P

Anyway - Pascoe is the expert, you guys don't know much about Aboriginal culture.
Valkie's book would be one page long with the words: "Boongs - they had a stick, but got beaten, because we had a bigger stick."

...yes, compared to the British - Australians were quite 'primitive' in their dwellings and achievements.  ;)
Afterall - for Australians to feel superior, they have to SPONGE off American culture.  ;)

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Setanta wrote on Dec 5^th, 2019 at 10:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 12:59pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 9:20pm: In the world of academia; any statement one makes is fair game. Pascoe can't (or won't) prove his claims of having real  actual, Aboriginal DNA. Not shared tribal rituals. Not secret handshakes. Actual protein strands that point to real aboriginal ancestry. Hard to believe an historian with such an approach to providing evidence. When you provide your evidence that you completely lack Indigenous DNA, Hammer I don't doubt that Pascoe will.   You willing to?  ::) ::) I've posted my Mum's DNA here . My dad's doesn't matter as he arrived here at 12 in 1948 where as my Mum's family has been here since 1850. Will you now beg Pascoe to do the same?

Nope.  Why?  'cause I don't care about his DNA.   His work relies on other evidence, evidence which I keep noting, none of the Racists here have refuted.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2019 at 2:44pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 2:18pm: What a racist fabrication you provided Frank. Rice (and I know we grow the best quality in the world), has always been a part of Aboriginal culture. The native RICE here has a more sweeter flavour and is gaining an international fame. To depict Aboriginals as not having a 'clue' about how to cook rice sums up the centuries of Propaganda Bullshtt we have been fed about our 'fellow' Australians. It's ok for Valkie to support what is said 'against' Aboriginals  , but it's not ok for Aboriginals to say something 'for' themselves. You're a closet Dictator Valkie. At the mere slightest I could accept that 'that' particular tribe had no knowledge of Rice as it may not have grown well in their 'neighbourhood'. As for Aboriginals use a quick method 'Tent' shelter in their wanderings (mostly on their own land). Take a look today at everyone going camping with but the bear essentials. It hardly rains now! What need for a shelter against clear night skies?  :-?  Yeah right.  ::) I think some of you should re-asses your thoughts. You seem to take a stand of considering Aboriginals as something less. But then you only undermine your own existence here as something less too. Like it or not - they are here to stay, 'solid as a rock' and you might as well make the best of it. ...or are you gonna commit 'murder' in the eyes of the world? Already in an Aboriginal Community, after one of their kids was gunned down by Police. The Aboriginal People have come forth in 'Peace' and unarmed to ask the Police not to come with 'Guns'. ...afterall, they are just 'inferior primitives' - what reason do you have to fear them and gun them down? What did they ever do to you? Considering  what they British have done to you - sending you here like a Criminal. No, no, Soren flew here.  His father decided to immigrate here.   Always remember, he flew here, we were born here, mate.  ::)

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Appears the serial liar Bwian is spreading his bullshit yet again.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Frank wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 3:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 2:44pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 2:18pm: What a racist fabrication you provided Frank. Rice (and I know we grow the best quality in the world), has always been a part of Aboriginal culture. The native RICE here has a more sweeter flavour and is gaining an international fame. To depict Aboriginals as not having a 'clue' about how to cook rice sums up the centuries of Propaganda Bullshtt we have been fed about our 'fellow' Australians. It's ok for Valkie to support what is said 'against' Aboriginals  , but it's not ok for Aboriginals to say something 'for' themselves. You're a closet Dictator Valkie. At the mere slightest I could accept that 'that' particular tribe had no knowledge of Rice as it may not have grown well in their 'neighbourhood'. As for Aboriginals use a quick method 'Tent' shelter in their wanderings (mostly on their own land). Take a look today at everyone going camping with but the bear essentials. It hardly rains now! What need for a shelter against clear night skies?  :-?  Yeah right.  ::) I think some of you should re-asses your thoughts. You seem to take a stand of considering Aboriginals as something less. But then you only undermine your own existence here as something less too. Like it or not - they are here to stay, 'solid as a rock' and you might as well make the best of it. ...or are you gonna commit 'murder' in the eyes of the world? Already in an Aboriginal Community, after one of their kids was gunned down by Police. The Aboriginal People have come forth in 'Peace' and unarmed to ask the Police not to come with 'Guns'. ...afterall, they are just 'inferior primitives' - what reason do you have to fear them and gun them down? What did they ever do to you? Considering  what they British have done to you - sending you here like a Criminal. No, no, Soren flew here.  His father decided to immigrate here.   Always remember, he flew here, we were born here, mate.  ::) Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Appears the serial liar Bwian is spreading his bullshit yet again.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

No prizes for second place, Soren.  It is just another name for "Loser".  Run along, Soren surely you can hear your name being called from the Little Kiddies' Playground were you belong?  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

Valkie wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 4:19am:

I'm putting g it out there. How many of you have worked with or been served in a shop by an aboriginal in your life. Sychophants will be quite obvious.

Three at least in Coles Lismore Square and one Sudanese.

mainly Sudanese here but they dont seem to last long????  I dont know what that means...I havent seen one in a long time at my local shops.... and I spread my dollar around.. :) :)

how do you recognise an Aboriginal these days?

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 6:21pm:

mainly Sudanese here but they dont seem to last long????  I dont know what that means...I havent seen one in a long time at my local shops.... and I spread my dollar around.. :) :) how do you recognise an Aboriginal these days?

The Sudanese guy has been there for years. The Sudanese guy that used to live across the road from us became a lifesaver at the Goonellabah pool but I haven't seen him since he moved, he was a nice guy.

The Aboriginals up this way are still tinted. I will upgrade my number to 4 at Coles as I've remembered another. If we count untinted ones then they could all be aboriginal.

Setanta wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 6:25pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:21pm: mainly Sudanese here but they dont seem to last long????  I dont know what that means...I havent seen one in a long time at my local shops.... and I spread my dollar around.. :) :) how do you recognise an Aboriginal these days? The Sudanese guy has been there for years. The Sudanese guy that used to live across the road from us became a lifesaver at the Goonellabah pool but I haven't seen him since he moved, he was a nice guy.

mainly women at the checkout and gorgeous  leave us white people in the shade for sure   blokes mainly on trolley collecting...but you dont see them for a long time its not as if they can blend in is it?.... strange look if they are clean and contributing sending their kids to school....I dont give a stuff to be honest.....

what bothers me are the gangs.. and disrespect some show for our culture.. to me that isnt on...

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 6:29pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:21pm: mainly Sudanese here but they dont seem to last long????  I dont know what that means...I havent seen one in a long time at my local shops.... and I spread my dollar around.. :) :) how do you recognise an Aboriginal these days? The Sudanese guy has been there for years. The Sudanese guy that used to live across the road from us became a lifesaver at the Goonellabah pool but I haven't seen him since he moved, he was a nice guy. mainly women at the checkout and gorgeous  leave us white people in the shade for sure   blokes mainly on trolley collecting...but you dont see them for a long time its not as if they can blend in is it?.... strange look if they are clean and contributing sending their kids to school....I dont give a stuff to be honest..... what bothers me are the gangs.. and disrespect some show for our culture.. to me that isnt on...

We don't have the problems other places have with our Sudanese. They were brought here by local Christian groups and all Christians so perhaps they vetted them better before inviting them into their homes.

I let one Sudanese guy camp downstairs for a week when he knocked on the door seeking help. He thought I was a Christian because I helped but I had to dissuade him of that. True to his word he left in a week and moved into the property he said he had lined up.

So - the aim of the poll is... to show that somehow 3% of the population not working in retail in larger numbers than 3% is somehow 'racist'?  That's a lot sillier than saying that 51% of the population, women, are only represented 1% in hard jobs like mining... or that 49% of the population - men - are only 15% of nurses....

What percentage would satisfy you?  Are you one of those useful fools who adhere to Labor and the Greens, and assume that numbers make the reality regardless of all other factors, and only when it suits your ideological thrust, and never when it is in favour of a group excluded by policies of exclusion??

Let's consider this for a moment - most women could not work in heavy mining, nor would they want to - on the other hand - pre Nightingale (not the St George winger), the very vast majority of nurses were men..... and yet now men are either severely constricted in nursing or are simply not considered 'suitable'... policy of exclusion in action.  It's not as if nursing involves heavy labour all day in damp and dangerous conditions... and the government super and perks are terrific...   ;D

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 9:49pm:

So - the aim of the poll is... to show that somehow 3% of the population not working in retail in larger numbers than 3% is somehow 'racist'?  That's a lot sillier than saying that 51% of the population, women, are only represented 1% in hard jobs like mining... or that 49% of the population - men - are only 15% of nurses.... What percentage would satisfy you?  Are you one of those useful fools who adhere to Labor and the Greens, and assume that numbers make the reality regardless of all other factors, and only when it suits your ideological thrust, and never when it is in favour of a group excluded by policies of exclusion?? Let's consider this for a moment - most women could not work in heavy mining, nor would they want to - on the other hand - pre Nightingale (not the St George winger), the very vast majority of nurses were men..... and yet now men are either severely constricted in nursing or are simply not considered 'suitable'... policy of exclusion in action.  It's not as if nursing involves heavy labour all day in damp and dangerous conditions... and the government super and perks are terrific...   ;D

I saw the poll as Abos don't work. I know at least some do and they do their job as well as anyone else. No people are worthless.
I've also worked with aboriginal organisations on their computer systems and talked with the people. Generalisations do not work but they also are indicative. Stereotypes exist for a reason but are not definitive.

Setanta wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 10:15pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:49pm: So - the aim of the poll is... to show that somehow 3% of the population not working in retail in larger numbers than 3% is somehow 'racist'?  That's a lot sillier than saying that 51% of the population, women, are only represented 1% in hard jobs like mining... or that 49% of the population - men - are only 15% of nurses.... What percentage would satisfy you?  Are you one of those useful fools who adhere to Labor and the Greens, and assume that numbers make the reality regardless of all other factors, and only when it suits your ideological thrust, and never when it is in favour of a group excluded by policies of exclusion?? Let's consider this for a moment - most women could not work in heavy mining, nor would they want to - on the other hand - pre Nightingale (not the St George winger), the very vast majority of nurses were men..... and yet now men are either severely constricted in nursing or are simply not considered 'suitable'... policy of exclusion in action.  It's not as if nursing involves heavy labour all day in damp and dangerous conditions... and the government super and perks are terrific...   ;D I saw the poll as Abos don't work. I know at least some do and they do their job as well as anyone else. No people are worthless. I've also worked with aboriginal organisations on their computer systems and talked with the people. Generalisations do not work but they also are indicative. Stereotypes exist for a reason but are not definitive.

Never said they were worthless - I've known some good ones, too.  I'm pointing out the silliness of trying to find 'discrimination' based on numbers in a job....

How many Wharte men have jobs as Rangers in an Aboriginal area?  It's just silly... there are some good Abos who work at Coles and Woolies etc here.. men and women... no different from anyone else to me..

We're all Koons under the skin...unless we're rich...

Jasin wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 10:30am:

Apparently Joseph Campbell was not 'blood related' to all the Cultures of the World, which he was noted as being one of the best experts of Academia on. With an internationally acclaimed best selling series of simple to read to complex books to show for it and a TV series. But how dare he print all those 'lies' - because he was not 'them'. ::) He knew a lot about Aboriginal culture, from way up there in North America. Surely that proves his falseness and lies? :P So with an Australian called Pascoe also doing the same - being an expert on Aboriginal culture, he too is called a 'Liar' and a 'Fraud'.  ::) Well its good to see progress is being made since the days when all the 'expert' opinions came from Colonists who really were 'ignorant' of a lot of things here, besides the people who lived here already. The 'Light' of the Aboriginal people may have been 'jilted' by the people of Africa like a tax write off. Like the Amerindian was with the Asians. ...and the Spanish with the Europeans  ;) (who fizz away like an indigenie in South America) But for what they once 'were' - it was a viable and respectable existence and a part of our Global existence. So many Whities, now known as Yowies, live in the bush. They seem to do a lot better than the Whities on TV shows like 'Survivor'.  :P Anyway - Pascoe is the expert, you guys don't know much about Aboriginal culture. Valkie's book would be one page long with the words: "Boongs - they had a stick, but got beaten, because we had a bigger stick." ...yes, compared to the British - Australians were quite 'primitive' in their dwellings and achievements.  ;) Afterall - for Australians to feel superior, they have to SPONGE off American culture.  ;)

it's because he is a liar & a fraud ...... and he hasn't done it as he is .... a white Australian of english descent ..... he claimed to be of Aboriginal descent from 3 different tribal groups ... all of which refute his claim .....

and his recorded ancestry prove it's a lie.

So you should accept the fact that your White Knight of all things Aboriginals ..... is just that - white ...... and he's an author of fictional bs.

Your bible Dark Emu is as fictional as your favourite movie - Dune.

You've had an overdose of melange & been shot by your own weirding module.

Setanta wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 6:37pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:29pm: Setanta wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:25pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 6:21pm: mainly Sudanese here but they dont seem to last long????  I dont know what that means...I havent seen one in a long time at my local shops.... and I spread my dollar around.. :) :) how do you recognise an Aboriginal these days? The Sudanese guy has been there for years. The Sudanese guy that used to live across the road from us became a lifesaver at the Goonellabah pool but I haven't seen him since he moved, he was a nice guy. mainly women at the checkout and gorgeous  leave us white people in the shade for sure   blokes mainly on trolley collecting...but you dont see them for a long time its not as if they can blend in is it?.... strange look if they are clean and contributing sending their kids to school....I dont give a stuff to be honest..... what bothers me are the gangs.. and disrespect some show for our culture.. to me that isnt on... We don't have the problems other places have with our Sudanese. They were brought here by local Christian groups and all Christians so perhaps they vetted them better before inviting them into their homes. I let one Sudanese guy camp downstairs for a week when he knocked on the door seeking help. He thought I was a Christian because I helped but I had to dissuade him of that. True to his word he left in a week and moved into the property he said he had lined up.

WOW  I think that was pretty courageous of you to be honest    no matter what his colour was....but well done to you.. I dont think I could do that,,,,,,,mind you I give money to all I see on the footpaths   I get told off for doing that   I also always get my windscreen washed....lol.... what the heck....does it make me feel better???... well I can only guess it must do   as if I walk past or ignore  I feel bad........so who knows..

Gnads wrote on Dec 7^th, 2019 at 7:16am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 10:30am: Apparently Joseph Campbell was not 'blood related' to all the Cultures of the World, which he was noted as being one of the best experts of Academia on. With an internationally acclaimed best selling series of simple to read to complex books to show for it and a TV series. But how dare he print all those 'lies' - because he was not 'them'. ::) He knew a lot about Aboriginal culture, from way up there in North America. Surely that proves his falseness and lies? :P So with an Australian called Pascoe also doing the same - being an expert on Aboriginal culture, he too is called a 'Liar' and a 'Fraud'.  ::) Well its good to see progress is being made since the days when all the 'expert' opinions came from Colonists who really were 'ignorant' of a lot of things here, besides the people who lived here already. The 'Light' of the Aboriginal people may have been 'jilted' by the people of Africa like a tax write off. Like the Amerindian was with the Asians. ...and the Spanish with the Europeans  ;) (who fizz away like an indigenie in South America) But for what they once 'were' - it was a viable and respectable existence and a part of our Global existence. So many Whities, now known as Yowies, live in the bush. They seem to do a lot better than the Whities on TV shows like 'Survivor'.  :P Anyway - Pascoe is the expert, you guys don't know much about Aboriginal culture. Valkie's book would be one page long with the words: "Boongs - they had a stick, but got beaten, because we had a bigger stick." ...yes, compared to the British - Australians were quite 'primitive' in their dwellings and achievements.  ;) Afterall - for Australians to feel superior, they have to SPONGE off American culture.  ;) it's because he is a liar & a fraud ...... and he hasn't done it as he is .... a white Australian of english descent ..... he claimed to be of Aboriginal descent from 3 different tribal groups ... all of which refute his claim ..... and his recorded ancestry prove it's a lie. So you should accept the fact that your White Knight of all things Aboriginals ..... is just that - white ...... and he's an author of fictional bs. Your bible Dark Emu is as fictional as your favourite movie - Dune. You've had an overdose of melange & been shot by your own weirding module.

Ha! That's a good one.  ;D
Love it.  8-)

If he is criticized for his 'fictitious' elaborations.
Then is is no different to the crap propaganda bullshtt that has plagued us for 200+ years. Taught in schools that Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson 'conquered' the way across the Great Dividing Range and what glorious heroes they were. The truth of the matter is that they had to be guided by the Dharruk tribe, via the many well worn garden paths made from Aboriginal's for millenia.
Whitey needed Aboriginal 'help'. But your education ignores the Aboriginal aspect like not acknowledging them as a worthy 'Australian' of the future. You don't want to share a new Dreatime with them - one with the whole 'World'.

Jasin wrote on Dec 7^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 7:16am: Jasin wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 10:30am: Apparently Joseph Campbell was not 'blood related' to all the Cultures of the World, which he was noted as being one of the best experts of Academia on. With an internationally acclaimed best selling series of simple to read to complex books to show for it and a TV series. But how dare he print all those 'lies' - because he was not 'them'. ::) He knew a lot about Aboriginal culture, from way up there in North America. Surely that proves his falseness and lies? :P So with an Australian called Pascoe also doing the same - being an expert on Aboriginal culture, he too is called a 'Liar' and a 'Fraud'.  ::) Well its good to see progress is being made since the days when all the 'expert' opinions came from Colonists who really were 'ignorant' of a lot of things here, besides the people who lived here already. The 'Light' of the Aboriginal people may have been 'jilted' by the people of Africa like a tax write off. Like the Amerindian was with the Asians. ...and the Spanish with the Europeans  ;) (who fizz away like an indigenie in South America) But for what they once 'were' - it was a viable and respectable existence and a part of our Global existence. So many Whities, now known as Yowies, live in the bush. They seem to do a lot better than the Whities on TV shows like 'Survivor'.  :P Anyway - Pascoe is the expert, you guys don't know much about Aboriginal culture. Valkie's book would be one page long with the words: "Boongs - they had a stick, but got beaten, because we had a bigger stick." ...yes, compared to the British - Australians were quite 'primitive' in their dwellings and achievements.  ;) Afterall - for Australians to feel superior, they have to SPONGE off American culture.  ;) it's because he is a liar & a fraud ...... and he hasn't done it as he is .... a white Australian of english descent ..... he claimed to be of Aboriginal descent from 3 different tribal groups ... all of which refute his claim ..... and his recorded ancestry prove it's a lie. So you should accept the fact that your White Knight of all things Aboriginals ..... is just that - white ...... and he's an author of fictional bs. Your bible Dark Emu is as fictional as your favourite movie - Dune. You've had an overdose of melange & been shot by your own weirding module. Ha! That's a good one.  ;D Love it.  8-) If he is criticized for his 'fictitious' elaborations. Then is is no different to the crap propaganda bullshtt that has plagued us for 200+ years. Taught in schools that Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson 'conquered' the way across the Great Dividing Range and what glorious heroes they were. The truth of the matter is that they had to be guided by the Dharruk tribe, via the many well worn garden paths made from Aboriginal's for millenia. Whitey needed Aboriginal 'help'. But your education ignores the Aboriginal aspect like not acknowledging them as a worthy 'Australian' of the future. You don't want to share a new Dreatime with them - one with the whole 'World'.

BS again ......

I'm older than you by a large margin ... & I was taught in school in the 60's

that Blaxland, Lawson & Wentworth had several goes at trying to find a way over the Great Dividing Range but were unsuccessful until they were assisted by Aboriginals.

I & many others were taught that in QLD public schools over 50 years ago...and that curriculum was well established..

you twist the truth nearly as well as Pascoe

but you've hit another dead end .... try again.

Watkin Tench wrote very succinctly about the primitive living standards of the 'Indians'. What were his motivations, Bwian?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2019 at 3:23pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 3:02pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Appears the serial liar Bwian is spreading his bullshit yet again.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) No prizes for second place, Soren.  It is just another name for "Loser".  Run along, Soren surely you can hear your name being called from the Little Kiddies' Playground were you belong?  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

You jealously defend your place as the No 1 bullshitter, Bwian.

Yeah - Whitey more superior culture than a primitive people living under a stick for a house.

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Jas, the OP is not about cultural superiority. The OP is about standards of proof in regards to observing history. Pascoe's approach to history is circumspect.

Just reading a good history of Afghanistan... the first Western map was made by an officer named Burns, who did it from hearing what was on the other side of the mountains.. remarkably accurate, but still not accurate.... it took guides in the form of /Afghans to get in there 200 years ago and tak e a real look..

So... JaS... who cares what the Dharruk contribution was to the venture to cross the Blue Mountains?  It is normal to employ a native guide who knows the ropes... it was nothing out of the ordinary... like getting an NRMA Pilot in a strange city...  8-)

But its not alright for Pascoe to use Aboriginal culture to give him a Writer's angle because he's 'White'.
Double standards here. ::)

Jasin wrote on Dec 7^th, 2019 at 8:10pm:

Yeah - Whitey more superior culture than a primitive people living under a stick for a house.

Yeah ... it is actually much better than an Aboriginal Gunyah.

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Gnads wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 6:23am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 8:10pm: Yeah - Whitey more superior culture than a primitive people living under a stick for a house. Yeah ... it is actually much better than an Aboriginal Gunyah.

What an absolute marvel of engineering know how.
Obviously intrinsically watertight and stormproof.

And, if I'm not totally mistaken, well placed for longevity

It's amazing that modern architecture is not based on these principals of modern engineering.

NOT

Oh yeah, and as an observation.
It's very evident, by the emancipated appearance of the "child?" In front of the shelter.
That good diet and well being is the mainstay of early aboriginal life.

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 2:47am:

But its not alright for Pascoe to use Aboriginal culture to give him a Writer's angle because he's 'White'. Double standards here. ::)

Bolt ( I know), Bolt, has had this discourse with Pascoe several times over the years. Pascoe once hinted that perhaps he was of part Aboriginal descent. Then he conceded there was no aboriginality in his ancestry. Now he claims there is. Who cares? Noone aparr from slobbering leftards and Bruce himself.

Pascoe's books are strangely becoming very popular and Dark Emu is to be made into a Doco-Movie.

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 9:44am:

Pascoe's books are strangely becoming very popular and Dark Emu is to be made into a Doco-Movie.

heaven to betsy it could end

up in our schools   

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/education/william-clarke-college-in-kellyville-axes-language-courses-for-an-indigenous-course/news-story/102177afae76393c12f4f9d9a84138cf
A private school in Sydney’s northwest has scrapped multiple languages from its curriculum and replaced them with an indigenous language course.

Parents of students attending William Clarke College in Kellyville are reportedly furious that the restructure has been done with no consultation and say that it will impact student learning.

But Headmaster Dr Scott Marsh told News Corp said the new curriculum will better prepare students for the future.

“We have added more subjects than cut in recent years. Elective languages have been removed from timetabled classes. Our intention is to replace it with an aboriginal languages program,” he said.

“We are passionate about connecting our people to our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples hence our selection of developing an aboriginal languages program.”

But a parent, who asked not to be identified, told News Corp many families were protesting about the change.

The parent said the school did not consult when introducing the streamlined curriculum, which had not been properly thought through, and were angry they were now having to pay for additional language classes, other than Indigenous.




::) ::)....

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 9:44am:

Pascoe's books are strangely becoming very popular and Dark Emu is to be made into a Doco-Movie.

For those with little else to do but fantasize.

It's about as real as your imagination.

He's a fraud & you're a dupe.

cods wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 9:49am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 9:44am: Pascoe's books are strangely becoming very popular and Dark Emu is to be made into a Doco-Movie. heaven to betsy it could end up in our schools    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/education/william-clarke-college-in-kellyville-axes-language-courses-for-an-indigenous-course/news-story/102177afae76393c12f4f9d9a84138cf A private school in Sydney’s northwest has scrapped multiple languages from its curriculum and replaced them with an indigenous language course. Parents of students attending William Clarke College in Kellyville are reportedly furious that the restructure has been done with no consultation and say that it will impact student learning. But Headmaster Dr Scott Marsh told News Corp said the new curriculum will better prepare students for the future. “We have added more subjects than cut in recent years. Elective languages have been removed from timetabled classes. Our intention is to replace it with an aboriginal languages program,” he said. “We are passionate about connecting our people to our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples hence our selection of developing an aboriginal languages program.” But a parent, who asked not to be identified, told News Corp many families were protesting about the change. The parent said the school did not consult when introducing the streamlined curriculum, which had not been properly thought through, and were angry they were now having to pay for additional language classes, other than Indigenous. ::) ::)....

There is no standard Indigenous language across this country.

There are many groups & dialects within groups

and one group cannot understand the other.

So this is just fanciful nonsense in the same vein as Pascoe & his Dark Emu rubbish.

Jasin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 9:44am:

Pascoe's books are strangely becoming very popular and Dark Emu is to be made into a Doco-Movie.

Aboiginal ancestry adds @ 20% to sales. I'm guessing. No really.

Still just personal attacks on Pascoe and nothing which refutes what he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals about what they saw as they traversed the bush beyond Sydney and it's environs.  ::) :;)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 1:30pm:

Still just personal attacks on Pascoe and nothing which refutes what he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals about what they saw as they traversed the bush beyond Sydney and it's environs.  ::) :;)

What HAS he quoted from early explorers and settlers?








He has admirers aplenty. Such is their effusiveness, you could say Pascoe is the Tom Jones of historians. To his detractors, he is a revisionist and fantasist. Writing for the Weekend Australian Magazine in May this year, journalist Richard Guilliatt observed “many academic experts also believe Dark Emu romanticises pre-contact indigenous society as an Eden of harmony and pacifism, when in fact it was often a brutally tough survivalist way of life”. But as Guilliatt also noted, there is a reluctance in academia to make public these criticisms given the author’s popularity and aboriginality.

If you think that is too much of a stretch, remember that this year the University of NSW’s science faculty distributed guidelines to lecturers, warning them that it was “inappropriate” to specify an estimate of when the first human migration to Australia occurred. Instead, staff were told it was “more appropriate” to say Aboriginals have been here “since the beginning of the Dreaming/s”, as this “reflects the beliefs of many Indigenous Australians that they have always been in Australia, from the beginning of time, and came from the land’’.

That a science faculty would resort to this is ridiculous. While some studies estimate that Aboriginals have been here for as long as 65,000 years, the conservative estimate is 50,000 years ago. You would think then that any public figure who claimed it took place 120,000 years ago would be asked to justify that estimate. Yet I know of at least three occasions this year when Pascoe has repeated that claim when interviewed by an ABC presenter, none of whom even so much as sought clarification.








You would also profit from exploring this site
https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/blog/category/Dark+Emu+Book+Critique

Failed, Soren.   A big bad failure.  Your quote as usual fails to address what Pascoe actually has quoted.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

if they were grain farmers   why are they not still doing it??  I understand they love their culture and dont want it die out... I get that... so why not keep up the skills of their ancestor's.. they teach the kids to hunt [ not with rocks that I have seen].and gather the fruit from the bush....but I have yet to see them till the soil to grow grain...

cods wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 2:50pm:

if they were grain farmers   why are they not still doing it??  I understand they love their culture and dont want it die out... I get that... so why not keep up the skills of their ancestor's.. they teach the kids to hunt [ not with rocks that I have seen].and gather the fruit from the bush....but I have yet to see them till the soil to grow grain...

And on what land could they do that, Cods?

Remember, all their land was stolen from them, by the White Fellas.  They were moved on to poorer and poorer lands.

Also it appears that the grain farming was not widespread.  Australia is a large continent, most Indigenous Australians were wiped out.

For anyone to write such books - they need a substantial amount of proof, reference and historical knowledge.
I very much doubt Pascoe would just make it up out of thin air.
He would have had to refer back to all the old Colonial documents, sketches, photos and more to have a basis regardless of 'opinion'.

I guess the 'truth is out there'.  ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:

cods wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 2:50pm: if they were grain farmers   why are they not still doing it??  I understand they love their culture and dont want it die out... I get that... so why not keep up the skills of their ancestor's.. they teach the kids to hunt [ not with rocks that I have seen].and gather the fruit from the bush....but I have yet to see them till the soil to grow grain... And on what land could they do that, Cods? Remember, all their land was stolen from them, by the White Fellas.  They were moved on to poorer and poorer lands. Also it appears that the grain farming was not widespread.  Australia is a large continent, most Indigenous Australians were wiped out.

goodness me no wonder you believe pascoe...you are such a racist... yeah that means.... anti white... and anything to denigrate white settlers you will latch on too..

so where  is the evidence of the tools they would have used even if it was only a small group???.....we do have  canoe trees still in sight.. yet as far as I know our aboriginals dont build canoes anymore either...at least not from trees... ::) ::)

keep up bri bri........all I know is the AZTECS built amazing things and left an incredible amount of evidence of the accomplishments... wouldnt tending grain fields have hampered their nomadic life style?

cods wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 5:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 3:28pm: cods wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 2:50pm: if they were grain farmers   why are they not still doing it??  I understand they love their culture and dont want it die out... I get that... so why not keep up the skills of their ancestor's.. they teach the kids to hunt [ not with rocks that I have seen].and gather the fruit from the bush....but I have yet to see them till the soil to grow grain... And on what land could they do that, Cods? Remember, all their land was stolen from them, by the White Fellas.  They were moved on to poorer and poorer lands. Also it appears that the grain farming was not widespread.  Australia is a large continent, most Indigenous Australians were wiped out. goodness me no wonder you believe pascoe...you are such a racist... yeah that means.... anti white... and anything to denigrate white settlers you will latch on too.. so where  is the evidence of the tools they would have used even if it was only a small group???.....we do have  canoe trees still in sight.. yet as far as I know our aboriginals dont build canoes anymore either...at least not from trees... ::) ::) keep up bri bri........all I know is the AZTECS built amazing things and left an incredible amount of evidence of the accomplishments... wouldnt tending grain fields have hampered their nomadic life style?

How is recognising the facts, the reality of white colonialisation, "racist", Cods?

As I keep pointing out, Cods and if you actually read what I have posed, not all Indigenous Australians were nomadic.  It all depended on circumstance and location.   I am unsure why you, a Pom keeps buying the colonialist myths about Indigenous Australians?  Does it make you feel superior or something?  ::) ::)

Watkin Tench observed that the Sydney Cove aborigines were naked, cave-dwelling hunter-gatherers wirh little knowledge of tools or farming practices who partook in savage rites of practice. I tend to believe a first hand account over the romanticised wank of a pseudo-bush bard.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 6:16pm:

Watkin Tench observed that the Sydney Cove aborigines were naked, cave-dwelling hunter-gatherers wirh little knowledge of tools or farming practices who partook in savage rites of practice. I tend to believe a first hand account over the romanticised wank of a pseudo-bush bard.

And they were  an expert bunch of anthropolgists back then too. Needed American Whaling ships to feed them, etc.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 6:16pm:

Watkin Tench observed that the Sydney Cove aborigines were naked, cave-dwelling hunter-gatherers wirh little knowledge of tools or farming practices who partook in savage rites of practice. I tend to believe a first hand account over the romanticised wank of a pseudo-bush bard.

So, you believe it when Pascoe quotes Watkins Tench then, Hammer?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 7:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 6:16pm: Watkin Tench observed that the Sydney Cove aborigines were naked, cave-dwelling hunter-gatherers wirh little knowledge of tools or farming practices who partook in savage rites of practice. I tend to believe a first hand account over the romanticised wank of a pseudo-bush bard. So, you believe it when Pascoe quotes Watkins Tench then, Hammer?

Well, there is no reason to doubt him:

http://adc.library.usyd.edu.au/data-2/p00039.pdf

Pascoe quotes many people, Bwian. What's your point?

I wonder why these agricultural aboriginals never grew a crop they could harvest and turn into clothing material?

All round the globe only the most primitive of people never wore clothes.

Here's our 50,000 years of culture and they couldn't even produce material for clothes.

moses wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 8:32pm:

I wonder why these agricultural aboriginals never grew a crop they could harvest and turn into clothing material? All round the globe only the most primitive of people never wore clothes. Here's our 50,000 years of culture and they couldn't even produce material for clothes.

But they did invent the stick.

Pascoe was a liar, but because he praises and seriously embellished aboriginal culture, he is praised as a great historian.

He was one single man, not even a recognised scholar
He wrote a fanciful book about some aboriginal culture that never existed.
But this book has been embraced and is now quoted as fact by sychophants and those wishing to justify aboriginal primitive behaviour.

We could just as factually used discworld books as historical reference material.

Or perhaps even Harry potter.

One single book written by a proven liar, is not historical reference material.

Many other reports from other explorers paint a vastly different picture of Australian aboriginals.
Archeological proof, paid a a vastly different picture of aboriginal culture.
Hundreds, perhaps thousands of qualified, true archaeologist have found no evidence of any of the fantasies mentioned in Pascoe's collection of lies?
Why is that?
The sychophants scream "because you are hiding it from the world"

Really, all of the archeologists are deliberately hiding pertent facts about cultures they are studying? Makes sense....not.

Or is it simply that one man lied?

Think about it honestly.
Did one man lied, or have hundreds of qualified professionals just missed or hidden evidence of the things Pascoe wrote about?

When explorer and surveyor Major Thomas Mitchell ventured into Australia’s inland in the early 1800s, he recorded in his journals his impressions of the landscape. Around him he noted expanses of bright yellow herbs, nine miles of grain-like grass, cut and stooped, and earthen clods that had been turned up, resembling ‘ground broken by the hoe’.

Mitchell, like other early explorers, noted what many white Australians would later overlook: there was evidence everywhere on this vast continent that Aboriginal Australians managed the land.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 1:30pm:

Still just personal attacks on Pascoe and nothing which refutes what he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals about what they saw as they traversed the bush beyond Sydney and it's environs.  ::) :;)

Yes the link was posted.

Over 90% of his reference source was pinched off a chap named Rupert Gerritsen who......


Quote:

quote - was one of modern Australia’s first, convicted terrorists :  “In August 1972 he [Gerritsen] placed a bomb in the Perth office of the Department of Labour and National Service…The primitive device was timed to detonate early in the morning but failed to go off. He was subsequently arrested in Melbourne, extradited back to WA and bailed, but fled to New Zealand, where he was caught and extradited back to WA again in July 1973… Gerritsen pleaded guilty and served one year in Fremantle and Geraldton Regional prisons. He later renounced violence and direct action, but he continued throughout his life to be a social activist strongly committed to social justice and empowerment.”  - See Ref 1 here, Ref 2 here and Ref 3 here. What a classy source it appears that Pascoe has based 90% of his Dark Emu book on!

A social justice warrior like you  ::)

https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/ancient-australians-the-worlds-first-j3ljz-zadha-fhgja

Pedro Curevo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 5:55am:

When explorer and surveyor Major Thomas Mitchell ventured into Australia’s inland in the early 1800s, he recorded in his journals his impressions of the landscape. Around him he noted expanses of bright yellow herbs, nine miles of grain-like grass, cut and stooped, and earthen clods that had been turned up, resembling ‘ground broken by the hoe’. Mitchell, like other early explorers, noted what many white Australians would later overlook: there was evidence everywhere on this vast continent that Aboriginal Australians managed the land.

Heat stroke.....  ;)

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 6:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 1:30pm: Still just personal attacks on Pascoe and nothing which refutes what he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals about what they saw as they traversed the bush beyond Sydney and it's environs.  ::) :;) Yes the link was posted. Over 90% of his reference source was pinched off a chap named Rupert Gerritsen who...... Quote: quote - was one of modern Australia’s first, convicted terrorists :  “In August 1972 he [Gerritsen] placed a bomb in the Perth office of the Department of Labour and National Service…The primitive device was timed to detonate early in the morning but failed to go off. He was subsequently arrested in Melbourne, extradited back to WA and bailed, but fled to New Zealand, where he was caught and extradited back to WA again in July 1973… Gerritsen pleaded guilty and served one year in Fremantle and Geraldton Regional prisons. He later renounced violence and direct action, but he continued throughout his life to be a social activist strongly committed to social justice and empowerment.”  - See Ref 1 here, Ref 2 here and Ref 3 here. What a classy source it appears that Pascoe has based 90% of his Dark Emu book on! A social justice warrior like you  ::) https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/ancient-australians-the-worlds-first-j3ljz-zadha-fhgja

So, a Western Australian who was protesting (violently) against Australia's involvement in Vietnam is responsible for Pascoe's quoting from early explorers and settlers' journals who were active 'round Sydney in New South Wales?

Furthermore, how does Gerretsen's doing time for an act of Terrorism suggest that research he undertook later is inadmissable to the historical record of settlement in Australia?

Gnads like all the other critics of Pascoe you are drawing long bows indeed if this is the best you can manage to refute what Pascoe has shown was written in the journals of early explorers/settlers in NSW.  ::) :;)

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 8:52am:

Pedro Curevo wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 5:55am: When explorer and surveyor Major Thomas Mitchell ventured into Australia’s inland in the early 1800s, he recorded in his journals his impressions of the landscape. Around him he noted expanses of bright yellow herbs, nine miles of grain-like grass, cut and stooped, and earthen clods that had been turned up, resembling ‘ground broken by the hoe’. Mitchell, like other early explorers, noted what many white Australians would later overlook: there was evidence everywhere on this vast continent that Aboriginal Australians managed the land. Heat stroke.....  ;)

Is that what you're suffering from, Graps?  Really?  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:41am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 1:30pm: Still just personal attacks on Pascoe and nothing which refutes what he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals about what they saw as they traversed the bush beyond Sydney and it's environs.  ::) :;) Yes the link was posted. Over 90% of his reference source was pinched off a chap named Rupert Gerritsen who...... Quote: quote - was one of modern Australia’s first, convicted terrorists :  “In August 1972 he [Gerritsen] placed a bomb in the Perth office of the Department of Labour and National Service…The primitive device was timed to detonate early in the morning but failed to go off. He was subsequently arrested in Melbourne, extradited back to WA and bailed, but fled to New Zealand, where he was caught and extradited back to WA again in July 1973… Gerritsen pleaded guilty and served one year in Fremantle and Geraldton Regional prisons. He later renounced violence and direct action, but he continued throughout his life to be a social activist strongly committed to social justice and empowerment.”  - See Ref 1 here, Ref 2 here and Ref 3 here. What a classy source it appears that Pascoe has based 90% of his Dark Emu book on! A social justice warrior like you  ::) https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/ancient-australians-the-worlds-first-j3ljz-zadha-fhgja So, a Western Australian who was protesting (violently) against Australia's involvement in Vietnam is responsible for Pascoe's quoting from early explorers and settlers' journals who were active 'round Sydney in New South Wales? Furthermore, how does Gerretsen's doing time for an act of Terrorism suggest that research he undertook later is inadmissable to the historical record of settlement in Australia? Gnads like all the other critics of Pascoe you are drawing long bows indeed if this is the best you can manage to refute what Pascoe has shown was written in the journals of early explorers/settlers in NSW.  ::) :;)

They are not long bows & you obviously read nothing in the overall about where Pascoes content & so called excerpts from settlers journals.

Over 90% of Dark Emus material was fudged from works by Rupert Gerritsen .......

isn't that plagerising?

Either way Gerritsen, Pascoe & you are deluded.

What about the golems?

Are you sure Pascoe didn't write about Golems?

Or perhaps about the great turtle with the 4 elephants holding up the world on their backs?

Is about as factual as the crap Pascoe lied about.

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 2:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:41am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 1:30pm: Still just personal attacks on Pascoe and nothing which refutes what he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals about what they saw as they traversed the bush beyond Sydney and it's environs.  ::) :;) Yes the link was posted. Over 90% of his reference source was pinched off a chap named Rupert Gerritsen who...... Quote: quote - was one of modern Australia’s first, convicted terrorists :  “In August 1972 he [Gerritsen] placed a bomb in the Perth office of the Department of Labour and National Service…The primitive device was timed to detonate early in the morning but failed to go off. He was subsequently arrested in Melbourne, extradited back to WA and bailed, but fled to New Zealand, where he was caught and extradited back to WA again in July 1973… Gerritsen pleaded guilty and served one year in Fremantle and Geraldton Regional prisons. He later renounced violence and direct action, but he continued throughout his life to be a social activist strongly committed to social justice and empowerment.”  - See Ref 1 here, Ref 2 here and Ref 3 here. What a classy source it appears that Pascoe has based 90% of his Dark Emu book on! A social justice warrior like you  ::) https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/ancient-australians-the-worlds-first-j3ljz-zadha-fhgja So, a Western Australian who was protesting (violently) against Australia's involvement in Vietnam is responsible for Pascoe's quoting from early explorers and settlers' journals who were active 'round Sydney in New South Wales? Furthermore, how does Gerretsen's doing time for an act of Terrorism suggest that research he undertook later is inadmissable to the historical record of settlement in Australia? Gnads like all the other critics of Pascoe you are drawing long bows indeed if this is the best you can manage to refute what Pascoe has shown was written in the journals of early explorers/settlers in NSW.  ::) :;) They are not long bows & you obviously read nothing in the overall about where Pascoes content & so called excerpts from settlers journals. Over 90% of Dark Emus material was fudged from works by Rupert Gerritsen ....... isn't that plagerising? Either way Gerritsen, Pascoe & you are deluded.

Nope.  You're the one who is failing to refute what Pascoe has quoted, Gnads.  You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

It's funny how, without one solitary shred of evidence, factual, verifiable archaeological evidence.

The sychophant "believers" will defend a book of lies and fantasy

Written by a proven liar.

Surely, the hundreds of archeologist would have found something, anything even a tiny fraction of some sort of proof that even one of Pascoe the plagiarist comments are based in fact.

All there is is highly exaggerated meanderings of a twisted lying mind.

But to apologists, this is fact.

Just like their false prophet Muhammid the mad.

Who stated that he confused the devil.
Who stated that he watched the sun set into a muddy hole
Who stated that he saw flying donkeys.

I guess, the bigger the lies, the more they believe.

Woukd you guys like to by a bridge.......cheap?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 5:02pm:

[ You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

You have not quoted or referenced any of those sources and evidence that you are challenging us to refute.
Why?

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 5:02pm: [ You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) You have not quoted or referenced any of those sources and evidence that you are challenging us to refute. Why?

Because you need to read the Book before you comment.
Maybe even Gammage's highly acclaimed 'Greatest Real Estate on Earth' too.

I've read the Book and I've decided to comment for it, not against it. But having read the book - I'm allowed to make that choice.

A lot of you cry that 'new' people like Chingas, Moslems and Sudis need to 'assimilate' to Australian ways. You've all seen the Memes "Act Australian or F-orff@!".
But how would you feel if these three 'new-comers' just brushed the current Australian 'way of life' off as 'Primitive', without a thought of acknowledgement?
You all 'cry' about them not recognising your contribution to this part of the world, while ignoring and brushing off those who were already here. You don't want to embrace their culture as a part of your existence - you don't want to 'assimilate', because being British or Americanised is better.
Thus you fail to experience a true Australian identity beyond just waving a flag or wearing flag merchandise to justify your 'culture'  ::). Yep - pretty lame and lazy.

Considering this Region of the World is set to become the 'Artistic' Super Power of the world, especially when in Europe 'Art' is but a Banana taped to a wall for $125,000.  ::) (which was eaten unexpectedly by another person who said he was being a 'performance' Artist. He was told to leave by the Director and a new Banana was put there).
So I think you need to see the 'Big Picture' and understand, wether you like it or not - Aboriginal Culture has its place and role to play in our Future.

Or maybe you prefer the African-American experience in all your 'Americanised' upbringing. Don't you just love that Sam Cooke song.  ;)

The aboriginals were farmers and had permanent weather proof buildings

https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifbullshit was all the band could play https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifbullshit they played it night and day https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifta da da bullshit ta da da  bullshit https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifta da da bullshit bullshit bullshit https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

They say that the 'Western' Man calls Blacks 'primitive', because he himself 'serves' the Asian Man.  ;)

Jasin wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 8:53pm:

They say that the 'Western' Man calls Blacks 'primitive', because he himself 'serves' the Asian Man.  ;)

Well - we do like to service the Asian Woman ...... does that help?

moses wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 7:25pm:

The aboriginals were farmers and had permanent weather proof buildings https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifbullshit was all the band could play https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifbullshit they played it night and day https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifta da da bullshit ta da da  bullshit https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifta da da bullshit bullshit bullshit https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifBullshit.. and only bullshit, https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif
https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gifT'was only bullshit the ba-and could play... https://i.imgur.com/kyL5uyx.gif

(Keep the bullshit rolling)...

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Jasin wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 6:35pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 5:02pm: [ You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) You have not quoted or referenced any of those sources and evidence that you are challenging us to refute. Why? Because you need to read the Book before you comment. Maybe even Gammage's highly acclaimed 'Greatest Real Estate on Earth' too. I've read the Book and I've decided to comment for it, not against it. But having read the book - I'm allowed to make that choice. A lot of you cry that 'new' people like Chingas, Moslems and Sudis need to 'assimilate' to Australian ways. You've all seen the Memes "Act Australian or F-orff@!". But how would you feel if these three 'new-comers' just brushed the current Australian 'way of life' off as 'Primitive', without a thought of acknowledgement? You all 'cry' about them not recognising your contribution to this part of the world, while ignoring and brushing off those who were already here. You don't want to embrace their culture as a part of your existence - you don't want to 'assimilate', because being British or Americanised is better. Thus you fail to experience a true Australian identity beyond just waving a flag or wearing flag merchandise to justify your 'culture'  ::). Yep - pretty lame and lazy. Considering this Region of the World is set to become the 'Artistic' Super Power of the world, especially when in Europe 'Art' is but a Banana taped to a wall for $125,000.  ::) (which was eaten unexpectedly by another person who said he was being a 'performance' Artist. He was told to leave by the Director and a new Banana was put there). So I think you need to see the 'Big Picture' and understand, wether you like it or not - Aboriginal Culture has its place and role to play in our Future. Or maybe you prefer the African-American experience in all your 'Americanised' upbringing. Don't you just love that Sam Cooke song.  ;)

There appears to be great and unruly chaos in your head.
Suffice to say the chink, moslems and sudis (?) ARE the primitives so they could hardly brush anyone in Australia or Europe or north america aside with any claims of bringing improvements.

The rest of your post is jibberish.

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 9:44pm:

7 Jasin wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:35pm: Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 5:02pm: [ You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) You have not quoted or referenced any of those sources and evidence that you are challenging us to refute. Why? Because you need to read the Book before you comment. Maybe even Gammage's highly acclaimed 'Greatest Real Estate on Earth' too. I've read the Book and I've decided to comment for it, not against it. But having read the book - I'm allowed to make that choice. A lot of you cry that 'new' people like Chingas, Moslems and Sudis need to 'assimilate' to Australian ways. You've all seen the Memes "Act Australian or F-orff@!". But how would you feel if these three 'new-comers' just brushed the current Australian 'way of life' off as 'Primitive', without a thought of acknowledgement? You all 'cry' about them not recognising your contribution to this part of the world, while ignoring and brushing off those who were already here. You don't want to embrace their culture as a part of your existence - you don't want to 'assimilate', because being British or Americanised is better. Thus you fail to experience a true Australian identity beyond just waving a flag or wearing flag merchandise to justify your 'culture'  ::). Yep - pretty lame and lazy. Considering this Region of the World is set to become the 'Artistic' Super Power of the world, especially when in Europe 'Art' is but a Banana taped to a wall for $125,000.  ::) (which was eaten unexpectedly by another person who said he was being a 'performance' Artist. He was told to leave by the Director and a new Banana was put there). So I think you need to see the 'Big Picture' and understand, wether you like it or not - Aboriginal Culture has its place and role to play in our Future. Or maybe you prefer the African-American experience in all your 'Americanised' upbringing. Don't you just love that Sam Cooke song.  ;) There appears to be great and unruly chaos in your head. Suffice to say the chink, moslems and sudis (?) ARE the primitives so they could hardly brush anyone in Australia or Europe or north america aside with any claims of bringing improvements. The rest of your post is jibberish.

Replied to, by you, an expert in reading gibberish, Soren?   ::)

When you have read the book, get back to us.  Until then, you're just spouting your usual bullshit.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

moses wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 7:25pm:

The aboriginals were farmers and had permanent weather proof buildings

Your Racism is showing, Moses.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 10:01pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 9:44pm: 7 Jasin wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:35pm: Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 5:02pm: [ You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) You have not quoted or referenced any of those sources and evidence that you are challenging us to refute. Why? Because you need to read the Book before you comment. Maybe even Gammage's highly acclaimed 'Greatest Real Estate on Earth' too. I've read the Book and I've decided to comment for it, not against it. But having read the book - I'm allowed to make that choice. A lot of you cry that 'new' people like Chingas, Moslems and Sudis need to 'assimilate' to Australian ways. You've all seen the Memes "Act Australian or F-orff@!". But how would you feel if these three 'new-comers' just brushed the current Australian 'way of life' off as 'Primitive', without a thought of acknowledgement? You all 'cry' about them not recognising your contribution to this part of the world, while ignoring and brushing off those who were already here. You don't want to embrace their culture as a part of your existence - you don't want to 'assimilate', because being British or Americanised is better. Thus you fail to experience a true Australian identity beyond just waving a flag or wearing flag merchandise to justify your 'culture'  ::). Yep - pretty lame and lazy. Considering this Region of the World is set to become the 'Artistic' Super Power of the world, especially when in Europe 'Art' is but a Banana taped to a wall for $125,000.  ::) (which was eaten unexpectedly by another person who said he was being a 'performance' Artist. He was told to leave by the Director and a new Banana was put there). So I think you need to see the 'Big Picture' and understand, wether you like it or not - Aboriginal Culture has its place and role to play in our Future. Or maybe you prefer the African-American experience in all your 'Americanised' upbringing. Don't you just love that Sam Cooke song.  ;) There appears to be great and unruly chaos in your head. Suffice to say the chink, moslems and sudis (?) ARE the primitives so they could hardly brush anyone in Australia or Europe or north america aside with any claims of bringing improvements. The rest of your post is jibberish. Replied to, by you, an expert in reading gibberish, Soren?   ::) When you have read the book, get back to us.  Until then, you're just spouting your usual bullshit.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

You are not quoting early explorers in support of Pascoe's assertions. Are you here to boost sales?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 10:02pm:

moses wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 7:25pm: The aboriginals were farmers and had permanent weather proof buildings Your Racism is showing, Moses.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) ::)

Last trench for the incompetent, Brian - name-calling... it's Black Week for you, my son...

If there were one shred of evidence, don't you think it woukd be waved from on high.

But we are to believe that there is the great conspiracy to hide the facts, but what facts?

If abbos had all these things, don't you think at least some woukd be farming or living in their own housing even today?

Or did they simply see white man and say.
" Well, that's it stuffed, may as well give up and sit around until we die"

Pascoe was a liar who published a book of fantasy for the sole purpose of making money.
He didn't let little things like facts get in his way.
Embellishment, was how he got his book over the line.
And to prevent any suggestion that he was being untruthful.
He proclaimed (falsly) that he was an abbo.

Lies, simply lies.
The mainstay of aboriginals.

Valkie wrote on Dec 10^th, 2019 at 3:28am:

If there were one shred of evidence, don't you think it woukd be waved from on high. But we are to believe that there is the great conspiracy to hide the facts, but what facts? If abbos had all these things, don't you think at least some woukd be farming or living in their own housing even today? Or did they simply see white man and say. " Well, that's it stuffed, may as well give up and sit around until we die" Pascoe was a liar who published a book of fantasy for the sole purpose of making money. He didn't let little things like facts get in his way. Embellishment, was how he got his book over the line. And to prevent any suggestion that he was being untruthful. He proclaimed (falsly) that he was an abbo. Lies, simply lies. The mainstay of aboriginals.

The problem with such an apparent massive conspiracy is that someone had to speak out at sometime... and it weren't Pascoe.. a conspiracy that big would have had leaks everywhere for generations....

The ex and I used to play a game while traveling inland Australia - we'd spot a conical hill and say:-

"Oh, look - there's another Aboriginal pyramid buried under dross to hide it!  A big one, too!"

That was years before this nonsense ever came to light...   ::)  ::)

Definitely a Demidenko....

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 5:02pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 2:30pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:41am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 1:30pm: Still just personal attacks on Pascoe and nothing which refutes what he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals about what they saw as they traversed the bush beyond Sydney and it's environs.  ::) :;) Yes the link was posted. Over 90% of his reference source was pinched off a chap named Rupert Gerritsen who...... Quote: quote - was one of modern Australia’s first, convicted terrorists :  “In August 1972 he [Gerritsen] placed a bomb in the Perth office of the Department of Labour and National Service…The primitive device was timed to detonate early in the morning but failed to go off. He was subsequently arrested in Melbourne, extradited back to WA and bailed, but fled to New Zealand, where he was caught and extradited back to WA again in July 1973… Gerritsen pleaded guilty and served one year in Fremantle and Geraldton Regional prisons. He later renounced violence and direct action, but he continued throughout his life to be a social activist strongly committed to social justice and empowerment.”  - See Ref 1 here, Ref 2 here and Ref 3 here. What a classy source it appears that Pascoe has based 90% of his Dark Emu book on! A social justice warrior like you  ::) https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/ancient-australians-the-worlds-first-j3ljz-zadha-fhgja So, a Western Australian who was protesting (violently) against Australia's involvement in Vietnam is responsible for Pascoe's quoting from early explorers and settlers' journals who were active 'round Sydney in New South Wales? Furthermore, how does Gerretsen's doing time for an act of Terrorism suggest that research he undertook later is inadmissable to the historical record of settlement in Australia? Gnads like all the other critics of Pascoe you are drawing long bows indeed if this is the best you can manage to refute what Pascoe has shown was written in the journals of early explorers/settlers in NSW.  ::) :;) They are not long bows & you obviously read nothing in the overall about where Pascoes content & so called excerpts from settlers journals. Over 90% of Dark Emus material was fudged from works by Rupert Gerritsen ....... isn't that plagerising? Either way Gerritsen, Pascoe & you are deluded. Nope.  You're the one who is failing to refute what Pascoe has quoted, Gnads.  You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

Have you seen those journals? I bet you haven't.  ::)

And stop hiding behind throwing the racist tag you deluded dreamer.

Jasin wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 6:35pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 5:02pm: [ You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) You have not quoted or referenced any of those sources and evidence that you are challenging us to refute. Why? Because you need to read the Book before you comment. Maybe even Gammage's highly acclaimed 'Greatest Real Estate on Earth' too. I've read the Book and I've decided to comment for it, not against it. But having read the book - I'm allowed to make that choice. A lot of you cry that 'new' people like Chingas, Moslems and Sudis need to 'assimilate' to Australian ways. You've all seen the Memes "Act Australian or F-orff@!". But how would you feel if these three 'new-comers' just brushed the current Australian 'way of life' off as 'Primitive', without a thought of acknowledgement? You all 'cry' about them not recognising your contribution to this part of the world, while ignoring and brushing off those who were already here. You don't want to embrace their culture as a part of your existence - you don't want to 'assimilate', because being British or Americanised is better. Thus you fail to experience a true Australian identity beyond just waving a flag or wearing flag merchandise to justify your 'culture'  ::). Yep - pretty lame and lazy. Considering this Region of the World is set to become the 'Artistic' Super Power of the world, especially when in Europe 'Art' is but a Banana taped to a wall for $125,000.  ::) (which was eaten unexpectedly by another person who said he was being a 'performance' Artist. He was told to leave by the Director and a new Banana was put there). So I think you need to see the 'Big Picture' and understand, wether you like it or not - Aboriginal Culture has its place and role to play in our Future. Or maybe you prefer the African-American experience in all your 'Americanised' upbringing. Don't you just love that Sam Cooke song.  ;)

You don't need to read a book that is a fairytale.

That's what Dark Emu is ... a plagerised fairytale.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 9^th, 2019 at 10:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 10:02pm: moses wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 7:25pm: The aboriginals were farmers and had permanent weather proof buildings Your Racism is showing, Moses.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) ::) Last trench for the incompetent, Brian - name-calling... it's Black Week for you, my son...

I am not afraid to call a spade a spade, Graps.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2019 at 8:23am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 5:02pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 2:30pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:41am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 1:30pm: Still just personal attacks on Pascoe and nothing which refutes what he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals about what they saw as they traversed the bush beyond Sydney and it's environs.  ::) :;) Yes the link was posted. Over 90% of his reference source was pinched off a chap named Rupert Gerritsen who...... Quote: quote - was one of modern Australia’s first, convicted terrorists :  “In August 1972 he [Gerritsen] placed a bomb in the Perth office of the Department of Labour and National Service…The primitive device was timed to detonate early in the morning but failed to go off. He was subsequently arrested in Melbourne, extradited back to WA and bailed, but fled to New Zealand, where he was caught and extradited back to WA again in July 1973… Gerritsen pleaded guilty and served one year in Fremantle and Geraldton Regional prisons. He later renounced violence and direct action, but he continued throughout his life to be a social activist strongly committed to social justice and empowerment.”  - See Ref 1 here, Ref 2 here and Ref 3 here. What a classy source it appears that Pascoe has based 90% of his Dark Emu book on! A social justice warrior like you  ::) https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/ancient-australians-the-worlds-first-j3ljz-zadha-fhgja So, a Western Australian who was protesting (violently) against Australia's involvement in Vietnam is responsible for Pascoe's quoting from early explorers and settlers' journals who were active 'round Sydney in New South Wales? Furthermore, how does Gerretsen's doing time for an act of Terrorism suggest that research he undertook later is inadmissable to the historical record of settlement in Australia? Gnads like all the other critics of Pascoe you are drawing long bows indeed if this is the best you can manage to refute what Pascoe has shown was written in the journals of early explorers/settlers in NSW.  ::) :;) They are not long bows & you obviously read nothing in the overall about where Pascoes content & so called excerpts from settlers journals. Over 90% of Dark Emus material was fudged from works by Rupert Gerritsen ....... isn't that plagerising? Either way Gerritsen, Pascoe & you are deluded. Nope.  You're the one who is failing to refute what Pascoe has quoted, Gnads.  You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) Have you seen those journals? I bet you haven't.  ::) And stop hiding behind throwing the racist tag you deluded dreamer.

If the cap fits, you should wear it, Gnads.   You should be proud of your Racism.  Admit to it.  Don't scurry and cower from it.

No, I haven't read those journal entries, directly.  I don't reside in NSW.   I know they exist though and I acknowledge what they say, until someone proves otherwise.  You have dismally failed to do that, now haven't you?  Tsk. tsk.  ::)

Valkie wrote on Dec 10^th, 2019 at 3:28am:

If there were one shred of evidence, don't you think it woukd be waved from on high. But we are to believe that there is the great conspiracy to hide the facts, but what facts? If abbos had all these things, don't you think at least some woukd be farming or living in their own housing even today? Or did they simply see white man and say. " Well, that's it stuffed, may as well give up and sit around until we die" Pascoe was a liar who published a book of fantasy for the sole purpose of making money. He didn't let little things like facts get in his way. Embellishment, was how he got his book over the line. And to prevent any suggestion that he was being untruthful. He proclaimed (falsly) that he was an abbo. Lies, simply lies. The mainstay of aboriginals.

So Joseph Campbell did as well?
Yeah right.  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2019 at 1:50pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 8:23am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 5:02pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 2:30pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:41am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 1:30pm: Still just personal attacks on Pascoe and nothing which refutes what he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals about what they saw as they traversed the bush beyond Sydney and it's environs.  ::) :;) Yes the link was posted. Over 90% of his reference source was pinched off a chap named Rupert Gerritsen who...... Quote: quote - was one of modern Australia’s first, convicted terrorists :  “In August 1972 he [Gerritsen] placed a bomb in the Perth office of the Department of Labour and National Service…The primitive device was timed to detonate early in the morning but failed to go off. He was subsequently arrested in Melbourne, extradited back to WA and bailed, but fled to New Zealand, where he was caught and extradited back to WA again in July 1973… Gerritsen pleaded guilty and served one year in Fremantle and Geraldton Regional prisons. He later renounced violence and direct action, but he continued throughout his life to be a social activist strongly committed to social justice and empowerment.”  - See Ref 1 here, Ref 2 here and Ref 3 here. What a classy source it appears that Pascoe has based 90% of his Dark Emu book on! A social justice warrior like you  ::) https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/ancient-australians-the-worlds-first-j3ljz-zadha-fhgja So, a Western Australian who was protesting (violently) against Australia's involvement in Vietnam is responsible for Pascoe's quoting from early explorers and settlers' journals who were active 'round Sydney in New South Wales? Furthermore, how does Gerretsen's doing time for an act of Terrorism suggest that research he undertook later is inadmissable to the historical record of settlement in Australia? Gnads like all the other critics of Pascoe you are drawing long bows indeed if this is the best you can manage to refute what Pascoe has shown was written in the journals of early explorers/settlers in NSW.  ::) :;) They are not long bows & you obviously read nothing in the overall about where Pascoes content & so called excerpts from settlers journals. Over 90% of Dark Emus material was fudged from works by Rupert Gerritsen ....... isn't that plagerising? Either way Gerritsen, Pascoe & you are deluded. Nope.  You're the one who is failing to refute what Pascoe has quoted, Gnads.  You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) Have you seen those journals? I bet you haven't.  ::) And stop hiding behind throwing the racist tag you deluded dreamer. If the cap fits, you should wear it, Gnads.   You should be proud of your Racism.  Admit to it.  Don't scurry and cower from it. No, I haven't read those journal entries, directly.  I don't reside in NSW.   I know they exist though and I acknowledge what they say, until someone proves otherwise.  You have dismally failed to do that, now haven't you?  Tsk. tsk.  ::)

Don't hide behind the racism card you weak delusional bitch.

Whether you live in NSW or not is irrelevant ..... it should all be accessible ... even if for a price.

You know they exist? So you acknowledge what they say ... even though you haven't read it.  ;D

I think it has been proved otherwise ... all round.

Pascoes not Aboriginal & he lied he was.

Pascoe admits most of what he put in Dark Emu he plagerised off another..... just because he liked the fanciful idea of rewriting Aboriginal history going back way beyond settlement.

The author of said works Rupert Gerritsen was never successful getting his notions accepted by mainstream historians & anthropologists.

Yet progressive SJWs like you & the leftard media have run with it like the imbeciles they are.

The fail is in your court - love forty.

https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/

http://aboriginalculture.com.au/Content%20images/Mother-and-child.jpg

For sale very well priced for first gunyah buyers just entering the aboriginal housing market.

Genuine reason for sale: goin walkabout.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 10:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 10:02pm: moses wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 7:25pm: The aboriginals were farmers and had permanent weather proof buildings Your Racism is showing, Moses.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) ::) Last trench for the incompetent, Brian - name-calling... it's Black Week for you, my son... I am not afraid to call a spade a spade, Graps.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

But you never call a Spade a Spade... why the difference?  Tsk, tsk...

You make far better mileage sticking to issues than you do taking pot-shots at the messenger.... but you're young yet... still time to learn..

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2019 at 4:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 1:50pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 8:23am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 5:02pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 2:30pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 6:41am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2019 at 1:30pm: Still just personal attacks on Pascoe and nothing which refutes what he has quoted from early explorers/settlers' journals about what they saw as they traversed the bush beyond Sydney and it's environs.  ::) :;) Yes the link was posted. Over 90% of his reference source was pinched off a chap named Rupert Gerritsen who...... Quote: quote - was one of modern Australia’s first, convicted terrorists :  “In August 1972 he [Gerritsen] placed a bomb in the Perth office of the Department of Labour and National Service…The primitive device was timed to detonate early in the morning but failed to go off. He was subsequently arrested in Melbourne, extradited back to WA and bailed, but fled to New Zealand, where he was caught and extradited back to WA again in July 1973… Gerritsen pleaded guilty and served one year in Fremantle and Geraldton Regional prisons. He later renounced violence and direct action, but he continued throughout his life to be a social activist strongly committed to social justice and empowerment.”  - See Ref 1 here, Ref 2 here and Ref 3 here. What a classy source it appears that Pascoe has based 90% of his Dark Emu book on! A social justice warrior like you  ::) https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/ancient-australians-the-worlds-first-j3ljz-zadha-fhgja So, a Western Australian who was protesting (violently) against Australia's involvement in Vietnam is responsible for Pascoe's quoting from early explorers and settlers' journals who were active 'round Sydney in New South Wales? Furthermore, how does Gerretsen's doing time for an act of Terrorism suggest that research he undertook later is inadmissable to the historical record of settlement in Australia? Gnads like all the other critics of Pascoe you are drawing long bows indeed if this is the best you can manage to refute what Pascoe has shown was written in the journals of early explorers/settlers in NSW.  ::) :;) They are not long bows & you obviously read nothing in the overall about where Pascoes content & so called excerpts from settlers journals. Over 90% of Dark Emus material was fudged from works by Rupert Gerritsen ....... isn't that plagerising? Either way Gerritsen, Pascoe & you are deluded. Nope.  You're the one who is failing to refute what Pascoe has quoted, Gnads.  You are relying upon second hand smearing of one of Pascoe's sources, not on refuting the quotes that Pascoe sources from the journals of the early explorers/settlers.  Until you address those journal entries and either prove what they were recording was fantasy you have to accept them as the truth of what they observed as they travelled across the land.  Otherwise, you're just being childish - a problem that you and the other Racists suffer from.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) Have you seen those journals? I bet you haven't.  ::) And stop hiding behind throwing the racist tag you deluded dreamer. If the cap fits, you should wear it, Gnads.   You should be proud of your Racism.  Admit to it.  Don't scurry and cower from it. No, I haven't read those journal entries, directly.  I don't reside in NSW.   I know they exist though and I acknowledge what they say, until someone proves otherwise.  You have dismally failed to do that, now haven't you?  Tsk. tsk.  ::) Don't hide behind the racism card you weak delusional bitch.

You're the one displaying the Racism, not me. Gnads.  Tsk, tsk.  Run, scurry, cower, hide.  ::)


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Whether you live in NSW or not is irrelevant ..... it should all be accessible ... even if for a price.

Have you seen them, Gnads?   ::) ::)

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 10^th, 2019 at 7:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 1:45pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 10:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 10:02pm: moses wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 7:25pm: The aboriginals were farmers and had permanent weather proof buildings Your Racism is showing, Moses.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) ::) Last trench for the incompetent, Brian - name-calling... it's Black Week for you, my son... I am not afraid to call a spade a spade, Graps.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) But you never call a Spade a Spade... why the difference?  Tsk, tsk...

I only call a Spade a Spade, when it is one, Graps.  A shovel is a very different instrument.   ::)


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You make far better mileage sticking to issues than you do taking pot-shots at the messenger.... but you're young yet... still time to learn..

You make far better mileage when you're not being a prick, Graps.  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2019 at 9:01pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 1:45pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 10:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 10:02pm: moses wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 7:25pm: The aboriginals were farmers and had permanent weather proof buildings Your Racism is showing, Moses.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) ::) Last trench for the incompetent, Brian - name-calling... it's Black Week for you, my son... I am not afraid to call a spade a spade, Graps.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) But you never call a Spade a Spade... why the difference?  Tsk, tsk... I only call a Spade a Spade, when it is one, Graps.  A shovel is a very different instrument.   ::) Quote: You make far better mileage sticking to issues than you do taking pot-shots at the messenger.... but you're young yet... still time to learn.. You make far better mileage when you're not being a prick, Graps.  ::)

Aye - and a rake is a different thing again...


On which note:- 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKDX-qJaJ08

https://r11.fodey.com/2605/c5403d796f93461396780d61085f1099.0.jpg

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 10^th, 2019 at 9:44pm:

https://r11.fodey.com/2605/c5403d796f93461396780d61085f1099.0.jpg

;D ;D There's a couple of Pascoe loving fatwaheads here that should do the White Is. tour.

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 5:45am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 9:44pm: https://r11.fodey.com/2605/c5403d796f93461396780d61085f1099.0.jpg ;D ;D There's a couple of Pascoe loving fatwaheads here that should do the White Is. tour.

Maybe I should re-consider The Handyman's Tale, and cast it in the context of a Golden Age for Men Past, where convicts, free settlers and Indigenous men side-by-side built an incredible kingdom etc, and it was all torn down to create of them New Niggrahs and Slaves to the Pussy, and through the Pussy, Slaves to Pussy-whipped New Men.....

Once, my son, this land was populated by Knights Errant, wandering the Lend in search of the Holy Grail of a few week's work shearing sheep, or perhaps even a lifetime job on subsistence rations chasing cattle.... their Ladies were few, and highly respected...and the Knights Errant banded together to create a Civilisation of True Knights and Ladies,with industry and women at home to care for children and rising standards of health and living, all washed in the blood of generations in the tides of war...... then the Sherman of Social Science came marching through Georgia in a 'bloodless' war on civilisation... and the land of Knights and Ladies is now a Civilisation Gone With The Mind...

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Still unable to refute what Pascoe has quoted?  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

Didn't Bruce Pascoe reckon he was a real aboriginal? It has been proven that he lied, so it goes to show that his book is a whole lot of fabricated nonsense.

What's wrong with the aboriginals being hunters and gatherers anyway?

ChrisP wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 4:10pm:

Didn't Bruce Pascoe reckon he was a real aboriginal? It has been proven that he lied, so it goes to show that his book is a whole lot of fabricated nonsense. What's wrong with the aboriginals being hunters and gatherers anyway?

here here....

those who try to big note them  and give them credit where it isnt due   do far  more harm imo.....

Pascoe   has put his own  perspective into this    for reasons only he would know........what annoys me is the way the ABC is falling for it....and expecting everyone to believe them........because they are after all the ABC... >:(

There is nothing wrong with being hunters and gatherers.  There is also nothing wrong with being agriculturalists.   People seem unwilling however, to accept the evidence that has been presented to prove it.  Instead, they cling to their Racist beliefs that the Indigenous Australians were "too primitive" to have practised agriculture.   ::)

The contrary evidence appears to be there, why not simply accept it?  Instead many in this thread have resorted to attacking me, attacking Pascoe, attacking everything, rather than accepting accepting the evidence.  Australia is a vast continent, Indigenous Australians had different ways of life, they were not uniform.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 4:51pm:

There is nothing wrong with being hunters and gatherers.  There is also nothing wrong with being agriculturalists.   People seem unwilling however, to accept the evidence that has been presented to prove it.  Instead, they cling to their Racist beliefs that the Indigenous Australians were "too primitive" to have practised agriculture.   ::) The contrary evidence appears to be there, why not simply accept it?  Instead many in this thread have resorted to attacking me, attacking Pascoe, attacking everything, rather than accepting accepting the evidence.  Australia is a vast continent, Indigenous Australians had different ways of life, they were not uniform.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

whos evidence bri???.. what have you got?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 3:57pm:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Still unable to refute what Pascoe has quoted?  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

There is nothing to refute.

because its all lies.

The onus is on Pascoe and his sycophants to "Prove" what he has written about, not the other way round.

You don't present a theory with ZERO evidence to prove it.

If you got away with it you could claim virtually anything based on "well you prove otherwise" argument.

Pascoe and only Pascoe has written about the things he writes about.
He has embellished, lied, misdirected and exaggerated to a fanciful level, everything in his book of lies.

Pascoe has gone from thought to fact with no proof.
What proof you ask?
Well lets look at the process.


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A hypothesis is a statement that can be proved or disproved. It is typically used in quantitative research and predicts the relationship between variables or possibilities. A thesis statement is a short, direct sentence that summarizes the main point or claim of an essay or research paper. It is seen in quantitative, qualitative, and mixed methods research. A thesis statement is developed, supported, and explained in the body of the essay or research report by means of examples and evidence. Every research study should contain a concise and well-written thesis statement. If the intent of the study is to prove/disprove something, that research report will also contain a hypothesis statement. NOTE: In some disciplines, the hypothesis is referred to as a thesis statement! This is not accurate but within those disciplines it is understood that "a short, direct sentence that summarizes the main point" will be included.

In Pascoes's book of lies, he does not present any evidence, not one shred.
No hypothesis, no theory, no thesis, he dives straight into stating what he calls fact.
Simply hearsay, embellished and exaggerated extracts from other peoples works.
Hell, I doubt Pascoe has even visited an aboriginal settlement, let alone studied one.

If, and I'm quite persistent about this, IF there was any evidence of agricultural land use.
IF there was any evidence of villages or settlements.
IF there was even one tiny shed of evidence of a grain storage silo.

Do you honestly believe that all the hundreds of archaeologists wandering around Australia would not have found something?

In the UK, they have found ancient villages that have long been buried.
Nothing left to see that could be called structures
But with groundbreaking research they can map the land and see what was there.

But there is nothing to see in Australia, because there never was anything.

This is the simple fact.

Its not on us to prove they don't exist.

Its on you to prove they do.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 3:57pm:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Still unable to refute what Pascoe has quoted?  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

As you say Pascoes quotes(Rupert Gerritsens quotes) prove his case....

https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/  refutes every aspect

and in that ... like your precious settler journal accounts you say are proof ...

there are those historians & anthropologists who claim otherwise.

Hunter Gatherers  - no more no less.

You support a liar & plagiarist

Speaks volumes of your integrity.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 4:51pm:

There is nothing wrong with being hunters and gatherers.  There is also nothing wrong with being agriculturalists.   People seem unwilling however, to accept the evidence that has been presented to prove it.  Instead, they cling to their Racist beliefs that the Indigenous Australians were "too primitive" to have practised agriculture.   ::) The contrary evidence appears to be there, why not simply accept it?  Instead many in this thread have resorted to attacking me, attacking Pascoe, attacking everything, rather than accepting accepting the evidence.  Australia is a vast continent, Indigenous Australians had different ways of life, they were not uniform.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

You seem unwilling to accept that no evidence has been given to prove either Gerritsen or Pascoe - his plagiarist - correct.

You believe it on a whim that suits your ideal.  ::)

cods wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 4:24pm:

ChrisP wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 4:10pm: Didn't Bruce Pascoe reckon he was a real aboriginal? It has been proven that he lied, so it goes to show that his book is a whole lot of fabricated nonsense. What's wrong with the aboriginals being hunters and gatherers anyway? here here.... those who try to big note them  and give them credit where it isnt due   do far  more harm imo..... Pascoe   has put his own  perspective into this    for reasons only he would know........what annoys me is the way the ABC is falling for it....and expecting everyone to believe them........because they are after all the ABC... >:(

Nothing wrong with being hunter gatherers who planted a few plots along the way.. NOTHING AT ALL!  And thus no need to exaggerate the whole thing into this Demidenko nonsense.

The reasons only Pascoe would know are probably too much association with the Tibetan Loco Weed, and a desire to foment some fanciful and hostile discussion over things that never were.. just for the fun of it, or from some deluded intention of 'helping' the Aboriginal 'cause'.

A TFD* if you ask me.  He's certainly got his name up in mud..... five minutes of fame... should be balanced by five years of incarceration for inciting violence and divisions in society.

*Total Farken Dick-Head.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 6:16pm:

cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 4:24pm: ChrisP wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 4:10pm: Didn't Bruce Pascoe reckon he was a real aboriginal? It has been proven that he lied, so it goes to show that his book is a whole lot of fabricated nonsense. What's wrong with the aboriginals being hunters and gatherers anyway? here here.... those who try to big note them  and give them credit where it isnt due   do far  more harm imo..... Pascoe   has put his own  perspective into this    for reasons only he would know........what annoys me is the way the ABC is falling for it....and expecting everyone to believe them........because they are after all the ABC... >:( Nothing wrong with being hunter gatherers who planted a few plots along the way.. NOTHING AT ALL!  And thus no need to exaggerate the whole thing into this Demidenko nonsense. The reasons only Pascoe would know are probably too much association with the Tibetan Loco Weed, and a desire to foment some fanciful and hostile discussion over things that never were.. just for the fun of it, or from some deluded intention of 'helping' the Aboriginal 'cause'. A TFD* if you ask me.  He's certainly got his name up in mud..... five minutes of fame... should be balanced by five years of incarceration for inciting violence and divisions in society. *Total Farken Dick-Head.

Hear hear  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Pascoe is a charlatan. Mr Ross is simply a dopey fool if he spent money on the book .... 

ChrisP wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 6:29pm:

Pascoe is a charlatan. Mr Ross is simply a dopey fool if he spent money on the book ....

Still no effort to refute what Pascoe has quoted from the journals of the early explorers/settlers?   Tsk, tsk.  ::)

cods wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 5:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 4:51pm: There is nothing wrong with being hunters and gatherers.  There is also nothing wrong with being agriculturalists.   People seem unwilling however, to accept the evidence that has been presented to prove it.  Instead, they cling to their Racist beliefs that the Indigenous Australians were "too primitive" to have practised agriculture.   ::) The contrary evidence appears to be there, why not simply accept it?  Instead many in this thread have resorted to attacking me, attacking Pascoe, attacking everything, rather than accepting accepting the evidence.  Australia is a vast continent, Indigenous Australians had different ways of life, they were not uniform.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) whos evidence bri???.. what have you got?

Major Mitchell's, Cods, which if you had read from the start of the thread is who Pascoe quotes...  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

ChrisP wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:29pm: Pascoe is a charlatan. Mr Ross is simply a dopey fool if he spent money on the book ....  Still no effort to refute what Pascoe has quoted from the journals of the early explorers/settlers?   Tsk, tsk.  ::)

Can you PROVE Pascoe is correct?

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 4:51pm: There is nothing wrong with being hunters and gatherers.  There is also nothing wrong with being agriculturalists.   People seem unwilling however, to accept the evidence that has been presented to prove it.  Instead, they cling to their Racist beliefs that the Indigenous Australians were "too primitive" to have practised agriculture.   ::) The contrary evidence appears to be there, why not simply accept it?  Instead many in this thread have resorted to attacking me, attacking Pascoe, attacking everything, rather than accepting accepting the evidence.  Australia is a vast continent, Indigenous Australians had different ways of life, they were not uniform.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) You seem unwilling to accept that no evidence has been given to prove either Gerritsen or Pascoe - his plagiarist - correct. You believe it on a whim that suits your ideal.  ::)

You have thus far failed to produce any evidence which refutes what Pascoe has claimed from the journal entries of the early explorers/settlers, Gnads.

Get back to us with your evidence.  All you've done is attack Pascoe personally.  Could it be that you have no evidence?   ::) ::)

ChrisP wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 7:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 7:03pm: ChrisP wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:29pm: Pascoe is a charlatan. Mr Ross is simply a dopey fool if he spent money on the book ....  Still no effort to refute what Pascoe has quoted from the journals of the early explorers/settlers?   Tsk, tsk.  ::) Can you PROVE Pascoe is correct?

Still no effort to refute what Pascoe has quoted from the journals of the early explorers/settlers?   Tsk, tsk.  ::)  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 7:05pm:

cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 5:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 4:51pm: There is nothing wrong with being hunters and gatherers.  There is also nothing wrong with being agriculturalists.   People seem unwilling however, to accept the evidence that has been presented to prove it.  Instead, they cling to their Racist beliefs that the Indigenous Australians were "too primitive" to have practised agriculture.   ::) The contrary evidence appears to be there, why not simply accept it?  Instead many in this thread have resorted to attacking me, attacking Pascoe, attacking everything, rather than accepting accepting the evidence.  Australia is a vast continent, Indigenous Australians had different ways of life, they were not uniform.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) whos evidence bri???.. what have you got? Major Mitchell's, Cods, which if you had read from the start of the thread is who Pascoe quotes...  ::)

how about you show me your interpretation of what Major Mitchell wrote... I have never heard of him   so I am depending on you to be at least honest

you see it wouldnt matter what I say or put up you wont believe it.....all you do is whine   

still no effort to refute     ::) ::)... its no better than your very rude yawn....so dismissive...

so give us something to chew on bri bri.....so we can spit it out the same as you do.

read gnads post he gives you more than one....

An old fella up the hospital the other day claimed he was abducted by aliens and taken to mars
To his surprise he saw a McDonalds on mars.
Now I bet no one here can produce evidence to refute this claim.

So now we have a maccas on mars for the history books.

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

An old fella up the hospital the other day claimed he was abducted by aliens and taken to mars To his surprise he saw a McDonalds on mars. Now I bet no one here can produce evidence to refute this claim. So now we have a maccas on mars for the history books.

wonder if it was Mr Light?...

I think the issue is this:-

Nobody has to prove Pascoe wrong - he has to prove himself right to be accepted.....

Major Mitchell had a cockatoo named after him...

(Pascoe may end up having a cock or two named after him, too)....

cods wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 9:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 7:05pm: cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 5:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 4:51pm: There is nothing wrong with being hunters and gatherers.  There is also nothing wrong with being agriculturalists.   People seem unwilling however, to accept the evidence that has been presented to prove it.  Instead, they cling to their Racist beliefs that the Indigenous Australians were "too primitive" to have practised agriculture.   ::) The contrary evidence appears to be there, why not simply accept it?  Instead many in this thread have resorted to attacking me, attacking Pascoe, attacking everything, rather than accepting accepting the evidence.  Australia is a vast continent, Indigenous Australians had different ways of life, they were not uniform.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) whos evidence bri???.. what have you got? Major Mitchell's, Cods, which if you had read from the start of the thread is who Pascoe quotes...  ::) how about you show me your interpretation of what Major Mitchell wrote... I have never heard of him   so I am depending on you to be at least honest you see it wouldnt matter what I say or put up you wont believe it.....all you do is whine    still no effort to refute     ::) ::)... its no better than your very rude yawn....so dismissive... so give us something to chew on bri bri.....so we can spit it out the same as you do. read gnads post he gives you more than one....

I suggest you do some reading, Cods.

From here - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.

From here - Here is a copy of James Boyce's (author of the acclaimed book, "Van Dieman's Land") Quadrant Article which PP McGuinness then editor refused to publish which demolishes Windschuttle rather well.

From here - Vic site added to World Heritage List

Major Thomas Mitchell was the Government Surveyor in NSW.  He travelled the colony extensively.

The information is all there, all available, Cods.  You just need to read it with an open mind. 

Pascoe is a shot Koon Luvvah... with no credibility... and he is harming any genuine Indigenous movement with his Ball's Chat...

Take them as they were - that is the past - move on - start to find answers for the future... they were hunter gatherers who sometimes stayed long enough to maybe cultivate a basic crop of something... that's it... if they had a bountiful tribal area, they might have stayed longer and planted longer... but they'd still move on once the resources were depleted.... no such thing as hanging around for a five year crop cycle or something...   ::)

Let the dead bury the dead......

cods wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 9:29pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 9:25pm: An old fella up the hospital the other day claimed he was abducted by aliens and taken to mars To his surprise he saw a McDonalds on mars. Now I bet no one here can produce evidence to refute this claim. So now we have a maccas on mars for the history books. wonder if it was Mr Light?...

🤭

I hate the politicisation of history. Just tell the truth.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 11:10pm:

cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 9:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 7:05pm: cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 5:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 4:51pm: There is nothing wrong with being hunters and gatherers.  There is also nothing wrong with being agriculturalists.   People seem unwilling however, to accept the evidence that has been presented to prove it.  Instead, they cling to their Racist beliefs that the Indigenous Australians were "too primitive" to have practised agriculture.   ::) The contrary evidence appears to be there, why not simply accept it?  Instead many in this thread have resorted to attacking me, attacking Pascoe, attacking everything, rather than accepting accepting the evidence.  Australia is a vast continent, Indigenous Australians had different ways of life, they were not uniform.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) whos evidence bri???.. what have you got? Major Mitchell's, Cods, which if you had read from the start of the thread is who Pascoe quotes...  ::) how about you show me your interpretation of what Major Mitchell wrote... I have never heard of him   so I am depending on you to be at least honest you see it wouldnt matter what I say or put up you wont believe it.....all you do is whine    still no effort to refute     ::) ::)... its no better than your very rude yawn....so dismissive... so give us something to chew on bri bri.....so we can spit it out the same as you do. read gnads post he gives you more than one.... I suggest you do some reading, Cods. From here - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past. From here - Here is a copy of James Boyce's (author of the acclaimed book, "Van Dieman's Land") Quadrant Article which PP McGuinness then editor refused to publish which demolishes Windschuttle rather well. From here - Vic site added to World Heritage List Major Thomas Mitchell was the Government Surveyor in NSW.  He travelled the colony extensively. The information is all there, all available, Cods.  You just need to read it with an open mind.

;D Links full of references to & by Pascoe

From what I've read of Mitchell .... he supposedly made "sympathetic" observations of Aboriginals he met ...... his observations proved a rich source for historians & anthropologists of the day ..... yet none of them came up with the notions of Rupert Gerritson & put forward/plagerised by Pascoe.

Mitchell also told porkies to cover up killings of Aboriginals to show him in a better light, especially one on the Murray where 7 hostile Barkindji tribesmen were killed & 4 wounded. His journal described them as "treacherous savages".

This was discovered later on & he was given an official govt. rebuke.

Many of his expeditions had hostile encounters with Aboriginals resulting in deaths of some in his party.

So despite your claims of Pascoes credibility it shows more & more that's it's just fanciful & deliberate misinterpretation.

https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 11^th, 2019 at 9:58pm:

I think the issue is this:- Nobody has to prove Pascoe wrong - he has to prove himself right to be accepted..... Major Mitchell had a cockatoo named after him... (Pascoe may end up having a cock or two named after him, too)....

;D ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2019 at 5:06am:

I hate the politicisation of history. Just tell the truth.

...and as Aboriginal 'now Ancient' Culture showed, it's 'politics' was never a major point in their ways. It was more land based, farming based, ceremonial and Artistic. That was the 'truth' of their ways. But Political (British/American) Australia preferred to just 'destroy' it, then deny it ever existed.
A Polish person from way back behind the Iron Curtain, when awakened by Liberty - come to know of this part of the world. Would see: 'Aboriginals - somebody that this Country used to know' (enter Gotye music)

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