While the Albo Schoolboy runs around in ever decreasing circles trying to copy his HERO ScoMo the people's Messiah ScoMo advances steadily fixed on the Big Picture.



Labor closes gap while Coalition support falls in latest Newspoll
5:47am, Nov 11, 2019 Updated: 3m ago

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The latest Newspoll shows Labor and the Coalition on equal footing. Photo: The New Daily

The coalition and Labor are even in two-party preferred terms for the first time since the May election, the latest Newspoll shows.

The turnaround in the ALP’s fortunes comes as Prime Minister Scott Morrison battles the drought and a faltering economy.

The government’s billion-dollar drought relief package has not tracked through to the voters interviewed for the latest Newspoll in The Australian on Monday.

Labor’s primary vote has risen two points to 35 per cent despite a damning review into its loss in the May election while the Coalition’s dropped to 40 per cent, down two points.

Mr Morrison remains the preferred prime minister. Net satisfaction with his leadership was at 46 per cent despite a slight dip while Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese’s rating rose to 42 per cent.

The Newspoll, based on 1682 voters across the country in urban and regional areas, was carried out between Thursday and Sunday.

The slide in support for the Coalition puts the warring sides at almost equal footing.

The Australian reports Pauline Hanson’s One Nation continued to gain traction, lifting its primary vote to 7 per cent after posting an election result of 3.1 per cent.

Albanese looks to 2022 election
Meanwhile Anthony Albanese is confident he will still be leading the Labor party at the 2022 election, but insists it is not about being popular now.

On Thursday, Labor party elders Craig Emerson and Jay Weatherill released their long-awaited review of what turned out to be a disastrous 2019 election campaign.

It criticised the campaign for scaring voters with enormous and complex policies while lacking a strategy and failing to address then-leader Bill Shorten’s unpopularity.

Asked on ABC television’s Insiders program on Sunday whether the leadership of the Labor party will now be judged through the prism of unpopularity and whether he is prepared to be cast aside by his colleagues, Mr Albanese said: “I will lead Labor to the next election.”

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Anthony Albanese says he will lead Labor to the next election. Photo: AAP

He said he has already outlined a clear strategy for the future of the party, but has yet to rule out controversial policies like ditching franking credits, which proved a concern for some pensioners, even when they didn’t own shares.

“We’ll make our announcement under our terms with proper processes,” Mr Albanese said.

He said as the next election is not until 2022, the party will outline in an “orderly and strategic way” the policies it will and won’t do in plenty of time before then.

“One of the things that we should have learnt from the last term was that elections aren’t decided two years out,” he said.

“We were ahead in every Newspoll, in every published poll in the two years leading up to the election, except for when it counted – on the Saturday in the polling booth.”

“My task isn’t to be ahead now, it’s to be ahead when people go to the polling booths in 2022, or the end of 2021.”

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/11/11/newspoll-labor-improvement/

Isn't it shocking how the Libs manipulated Newspoll to trip up clunky old Shady Shorten into thinking he had a Snowball's hope in Hell of "winning" the election????


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Newspoll leads Shady Shorty up the garden path.





The Newspoll error that threw off Labor's campaign
Samantha Maiden / The New Daily Friday November 08, 2019

Australia’s most trusted election oracle, Newspoll, had a “persistent technical error” which may have falsely built expectations that Labor was the unbackable favourite to win the May election, according to the ALP review.

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Bill Shorten concedes defeat on election night with his wife Chloe. Photo: AAP/David Crosling

The shock admission, contained in the post-mortem of the election defeat, has raised the possibility that a prime minister – Malcolm Turnbull – may have been dumped when Labor was not in an election-winning position, and also that the ALP was lulled into complacency by opinion polls.

It also raises the surprising reason why Newspoll consistently overestimated the Labor primary vote, which relates to voters not being able to remember who they voted for at the 2016 election, possibly as a result of the revolving-door sequence of prime ministers. This then flowed though the methodology of the polls and coloured assumptions about preferences.

Fittingly for Melbourne Cup week, the ALP review, authored by former SA Premier Jay Weatherill and ex-frontbencher Craig Emerson, begins with a racing analogy.

“After a patchy early career, Winx never lost a Saturday race. But Labor did. In fact, Labor has failed to win a majority in the House of Representatives in eight out of its last nine starts,” it says.

“What went wrong this time? Was Labor burdened with the weight of Clive Palmer’s advertising in its saddlebags?

“Was it nobbled by a dishonest social media scare campaign? Did News Corp cause Labor interference in running?

“Was it the jockey’s fault? Or had Labor become complacent in the lead-up to race day? Our review seeks to answer these questions.”

The report finds three main reasons for the shock loss: Bill Shorten’s lack of popularity with voters, poor strategy, and a failure to adapt to the Coalition’s leadership change to Scott Morrison.

The report also calls for spending caps to stop billionaire businessmen, including Clive Palmer, spending $70 million on advertising – a push the billionaire has dismissed as the excuse of a bad loser.

But one of the report’s most surprising findings relates to the public polling, including Newspoll, that built massive expectations of a Labor victory.

As The New Daily revealed in the aftermath of the election, YouGov-Galaxy, the pollsters behind Newspoll published by The Australian and the Galaxy polls published by the tabloids, was also secretly contracted to conduct the ALP nightly tracking polls.

Messed-up methodology
But the report finds the published polls came with a major error for years.

“First, the publicly available Newspoll figures had a persistent technical error that overstated Labor’s primary vote, understated the Coalition’s primary vote and consistently suggested Labor was in an election-winning position,” the report states.

“Seat polling conducted during the campaign also provided early warning Labor’s campaign was struggling, particularly in regional Queensland.

“However, the persistent Labor lead in Newspoll (and other published polls) created a mindset dominated by high expectations of a Labor victory, and this affected the Party’s ability to process research findings that ran counter to this.”

The report notes that the failure to predict the result of the 2019 federal election has shaken public confidence in the polling industry.

And it also finds the ALP’s $500,000 nightly campaign tracking poll of 20 marginal seats also got “the result of the election wrong”, although it was closer to the mark than Newspoll.

But the reason for the technical error was primarily attributable to a reliance on 2016 “vote recall” as a weighting factor.

“That is, YouGov’s surveys included a question asking participants who they voted for at the previous federal election in 2016, and the final report produced from each survey was weighted to adjust for any over- or under-representation of past support based on the actual results in 2016.

“While that has been a tool used by quantitative researchers for decades, it served to both overestimate the Labor primary vote and the preference flow to Labor.

“The use of vote recall is a standard practice, but on this occasion created significant error in the outcome. This error was perpetuated amongst a range of published polling at the same time.”

Bizarrely, the pollsters argued one of the reasons voters could not remember who they voted for related to the revolving door of prime ministers.

https://indaily.com.au/news/politics/2019/11/08/the-newspoll-error-that-threw-off-labors-campaign/

The Labor Obituary after the NEXT ELECTION ?


This spat between right and left ALP figures demonstrates that the deeper reason for Labor's current era of failure is ideological.

Doug Cameron's attack is personal, emotive and unhelpful. He still lives in the generation of pommie shop stewards who came to these shores to radicalise our union movement.

But that type of activism appeals to a smaller and smaller segment of Australia. Certainly not the "working class", whatever that term means.

One foresees a plethora of ALP committees being founded to determine who in fact is "working class". Goodness, yet another platform for factional warfare.

The ALP must define what it is and who it is appealing to. Inevitably that means appealing to the center of the Australian electorate. A shift to the right if you will.

Moreover, the ALP must accept that we live in a great country and we get better by degrees. Our freedoms must be celebrated and improved on.

The quiet Australian senses that there are destructive forces in the modern ALP that would willingly take those freedoms away. Whilst that impression remains, Labor is doomed.

“We were ahead in every Newspoll, in every published poll in the two years leading up to the election, except for when it counted – on the Saturday in the polling booth.”


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aint it the truth!

Labor's motto, "You can fool SOME of the people SOME of the time but not ALL the people ALL the time".

Meanwhile Albo is busily trying to copy ScoMo's winning policies.

Wonder what the Greenies think of Albo ?   A Traitor to Socialism ?   A Disciple of the People's Messiah ScoMo ?

And sad Shady Shorten constantly tastes acid bubbling up from his stomach. Will Chloe divorce him now she won't become the PM's wife ?

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Erk! Burp!  Where's the Alka Salzer ?

Nobody believes in polls anymore so maybe Morriscum should be worried.

Especially if they are produced by Murdochs trashy papers

Polls mean nothing this far away from an election apart from the political parties going into a panic and sacking their leaders when they go south....What is telling is that anyone would take any notice of these polls that have been found to be wrong on most occasions???

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Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 8:01am:

Nobody believes in polls anymore so maybe Morriscum should be worried. Especially if they are produced by Murdochs trashy papers

;D ;D ;D

you weren't saying that back in May.. ::) ::) 

I bet the Guardian  had labor at the top of the polls...

juliar wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 6:18am:

While the Albo Schoolboy runs around in ever decreasing circles trying to copy his HERO ScoMo the people's messiah ScoMo advances steadily fixed on the Big Picture.

Why do your ridiculous editorials always use BASELESS LIES to avoid telling the TRUTH?

The truth is shown by simply reporting the numbers. (Source: GhostWhoVotes, italics are mine and added for completeness)

Federal Primary Votes: L/NP 40 (-2) ALP 35 (+2) GRN 12 (-1) ON 7 (+1) [Others 6 (0)]
Federal 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 50 (-1) ALP 50 (+1)
Morrison: Approve 46 (-1) Disapprove 43 (-2) [Don't know 11 (+3)]
Albanese: Approve 42 (+5) Disapprove 37 (-7) [Don't know 21 (+2)]
Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)]

The only two significant changes with these numbers are:
* This poll has a 2PP that is 50-50 after three consecutive 51-49 polls. This is within MoE.
* The more significant change is a big shift in Albanese's approval ratings. Net satisfaction (approval minus disapproval) has shifted 12 points in his favour. It's not common for any poll to have a shift as big as this. It's well outside the MoE and is therefore a real shift.

Honest reporting would have highlighted this significant shift in Albanese's satisfaction ratings, not concealed it with pointless mumblings about Scummo and baseless lies.

It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country.

This figure is a worry for Albo:

Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)]

.. but not in OzPoll where it truly counts....  (ta-daaaa)...

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 8:43am:

It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country. This figure is a worry for Albo: Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)]

Relax. It's still 24 to 30 months until the next Federal election. Plenty of time for Albo to destroy Scummo.

This is the more significant figure in the latest poll because it is a large movement:

Albanese: Approve 42 (+5) Disapprove 37 (-7) [Don't know 21 (+2)]

This often foreshadows a shift in preferred PM.

It's also a historical fact that no government that has presided over a poor economy or is implicated in corruption has lasted in office for long. Scummo is leading a government that is doing both.

Poor upset Bammy is trying to read the tea leaves.

It was only a few months ago the Lefties were basking in the sunshine of the manipulated Newspoll figures thinking that Shady Shorty would be up there destroying Australia.

And I said all along that the Libs were fudging the Newspoll figures to give Labor a false sense of confidence and that it would suddenly show the true figures just before the election and I was Oh so correct.

It was obvious that Labor with skunky Shorty up there did not have a snowball's hope in Hell of winning especially with cunning ad man ScoMo project managing the wooing of selling the only safe govt to the voters and was he successful.

Labor's idiotic Greeny junk policies guaranteed they would fail. Recall RESTART the BOATS!!! Thieve from the retirees and pensioners, send power prices thru the roof, wreck the housing market, close down all industry in Australia, etc.

The Chinese must have been disappointed after they gave all those Chinese bribes to Labor with Mr Been's help.

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 8:43am:

It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country. This figure is a worry for Albo: Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)]

Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader.

They're too stupid to understand that, though.

If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory.

They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves.

Silly old Gweggy crawls out with the usual FAKE NEWS. Is Gweggy going senile ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:35am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am: It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country. This figure is a worry for Albo: Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)] Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader. They're too stupid to understand that, though. If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory. They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves.

The problem is that this has been said about the last 3 or 4 labor leaders

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:35am: Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am: It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country. This figure is a worry for Albo: Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)] Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader. They're too stupid to understand that, though. If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory. They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves. The problem is that this has been said about the last 3 or 4 labor leaders Spot

True, Labor has a real problem with its leadership ... just look at the sorry list:


Kim Beazley..... 5 years, 248 days      
Simon Crean..... 2 years, 10 days      
Mark Latham..... 1 year,  57 days      
Kim Beazley..... 1 year,  310 days      
Kevin Rudd..... 3 years, 202 days
Julia Gillard..... 3 years, 2 days
Kevin Rudd..... 79 days
Bill Shorten.....  5 years, 7 months, 17 days
Albo..... 148  days and counting.

What a sorry tale of ineptitude.  :o

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:35am: Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am: It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country. This figure is a worry for Albo: Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)] Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader. They're too stupid to understand that, though. If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory. They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves. The problem is that this has been said about the last 3 or 4 labor leaders Spot

Albo is a decent guy.

He's smart, and has a genuine interest in helping fellow Australians.

The voting public don't care about that, though.

Morrison is living proof: he's as dumb as a box of hammers, and doesn't have an altruistic bone is his happy clapping body, yet the Australian public voted him - and his corrupt coalition partners in crime - back into government.

Albo's main problem is his reluctance to align himself with the Unions.

That, and his complicated policies.

Three word, one syllable slogans - that's all the stupid voting public cares about.

"Stop The Boats".

Silly old Gweggy is trying to sound intelligent with guff from 50 years ago when the Pommy Shop Stewards were wrecking Australia.

The trouble is the day of the Pommy Shop stewards coming out here to run the unions is over as the unions are finished and are dragging Labor under.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:35am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am: It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country. This figure is a worry for Albo: Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)] Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader. They're too stupid to understand that, though. If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory. They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves.

Many said the Coalition would never win an election with Abbott as leader.

We should wait and see on Albo's chances, but you underestimate Albo at your peril. He's as cunning as a dunny rat and will have Scummo's measure.

For an example, take a look at how Labor has handled Question Time since Albo became Labor leader. Labor's questions are much shorter and get straight to the point, leaving little room for "relevant" digressions. Labor will often target a weak Minister with a series of questions over multiple days to put them under maximum pressure. Angus Taylor is a particular favourite target. Labor's even asked questions that they knew were out of order just to put their allegations in the Hansard record under parliamentary privilege. Labor's tactics have caused government frontbenchers to lose their cool more than once. The money shot was getting Scummo to lose his temper and go all shouty, which allows Labor to assassinate the faux "daggy drunkard dad" persona in the next election campaign.

Where Albo fails currently is in supporting too much government legislation. Albo should copy Abbott's "Dr No" tactics and oppose a lot more of it. In opposition, bad laws should be opposed, in government they should be repealed.

Nevertheless, Albo has recorded a 12-point shift in his net satisfaction rating in three weeks. That's significant. We should wait and see.

Bam wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:35am: Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am: It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country. This figure is a worry for Albo: Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)] Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader. They're too stupid to understand that, though. If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory. They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves. Many said the Coalition would never win an election with Abbott as leader. We should wait and see on Albo's chances, but you underestimate Albo at your peril. He's as cunning as a dunny rat and will have Scummo's measure.

Don't get me wrong - I think Albo would do a very good job as PM.

Certainly 100 1,000,000 times better than anything the corrupt & inept coalition can put forward (just look at how appalling Morrison is).

However, I just don't see the public warming to him.

And, without the support of the Unions, he's fighting an uphill battle.

Albo has the experience and intelligence to do the job well.

However, Australian voters are stupid.

This was proven in May this year.

Incredibly stupid.

In order for Albo to win, he'll need to stoop to the level of scum bags like Dutton.

"Stop The Boats!"

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 10:04am:

Albo's main problem is his reluctance to align himself with the Unions. That, and his complicated policies. Three word, one syllable slogans - that's all the stupid voting public cares about. "Stop The Boats".

It's too soon for Labor's new policies. If Albo's tight focus in Question Time is any guide, I expect Labor's going to take more focused policies to the next election.

Some slogans that I would like to see:

* "Clean out Corruption"
* "Stop the Rorts"

The first time these are mentioned can come with detail:

* "Clean out Corruption" (a national integrity commission with strong powers, inquiries into the Coalition's numerous dodgy closed tenders, a Royal Commission into money laundering at Australian casinos, more transparency with political donations, etc.)
* "Stop the Rorts" (multiple government programs being used to porkbarrel in marginal seats, water entitlements being abused, etc.)

Then the slogan can stand in for the policy packages. See how the Coalition's corruption and malfeasance is boiled down into two simple slogans?

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 8:43am:

It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country. This figure is a worry for Albo: Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)]

Why us it sad that someone who doesn't win doesn't win?

Spot

Bam wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 12:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:04am: Albo's main problem is his reluctance to align himself with the Unions. That, and his complicated policies. Three word, one syllable slogans - that's all the stupid voting public cares about. "Stop The Boats". It's too soon for Labor's new policies. If Albo's tight focus in Question Time is any guide, I expect Labor's going to take more focused policies to the next election. Some slogans that I would like to see: * "Clean out Corruption" * "Stop the Rorts" The first time these are mentioned can come with detail: * "Clean out Corruption" (a national integrity commission with strong powers, inquiries into the Coalition's numerous dodgy closed tenders, a Royal Commission into money laundering at Australian casinos, more transparency with political donations, etc.) * "Stop the Rorts" (multiple government programs being used to porkbarrel in marginal seats, water entitlements being abused, etc.) Then the slogan can stand in for the policy packages. See how the Coalition's corruption and malfeasance is boiled down into two simple slogans?

Good idea and fits I. With greggerys idea of 3 word slogans. Also those slogans should resonate with Aussie's who are sick of the corruption.

They won't do it :(

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 12:37pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am: It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country. This figure is a worry for Albo: Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)] Why us it sad that someone who doesn't win doesn't win? Spot

It's sad that people vote on a "presidential" basis rather than on policy.

Hence, a very popular leader may be elected on poor policy and a very unpopular leader may lose on good policy.

However, that's the way it is in Oz. We supposedly have a different electoral process but we wind up voting on how we perceive one particular party leader  vs another.

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 1:49pm:

It's sad that people vote on a "presidential" basis rather than on policy. Hence, a very popular leader may be elected on poor policy and a very unpopular leader may lose on good policy. However, that's the way it is in Oz. We supposedly have a different electoral process but we wind up voting on how we perceive one particular party leader  vs another.

Or, in the case of the USA, a very unpopular candidate was elected on a platform of policy lies.

Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, even though Clinton was extremely unpopular herself.

Moreover, his major policy platform was building a wall and getting Mexico to pay for it.

After three years, not one single inch of new wall and not a single peso from Mexico.

Things are very different now.

Nice guys with good policies aren't guaranteed the top job anymore.

You only have to look at Trump, Morrison, and Boris Johnson to see that.

Three thoroughly corrupt & inept buffoons who have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 1:49pm: It's sad that people vote on a "presidential" basis rather than on policy. Hence, a very popular leader may be elected on poor policy and a very unpopular leader may lose on good policy. However, that's the way it is in Oz. We supposedly have a different electoral process but we wind up voting on how we perceive one particular party leader  vs another. Or, in the case of the USA, a very unpopular candidate was elected on a platform of policy lies. Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, even though Clinton was extremely unpopular herself. Moreover, his major policy platform was building a wall and getting Mexico to pay for it. After three years, not one single inch of new wall and not a single peso from Mexico. Things are very different now. Nice guys with good policies aren't guaranteed the top job anymore. You only have to look at Trump, Morrison, and Boris Johnson to see that. Three thoroughly corrupt & inept buffoons who have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

nobody believes your fake news and lies groggy

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itisthelight is right onto Gweggy the FAKE NEWS VIRUS from WA and his fake news from 50 years ago. Is Gweggy going senile ?   Sounds like it.

You can tell ScoMo's endless successes are tearing the Lefties apart as they see Albo becoming a disciple of ScoMo and trying to be like him and copying the successful Lib's policies.

Do the disillusioned Lefties think Albo is a traitor to Socialism ?

Anthony Albanese is in the same mould as Kim Beazley....Decent honest men who lack charisma and a killer instinct....People just do not think these blokes are tough enough to do the job IMO???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

Anthony Albanese is in the same mould as Kim Beazley....Decent honest men who lack charisma and a killer instinct....People just do not think these blokes are tough enough to do the job IMO??? :-? :-? :-?

Which is kinda ridiculous really. Why do they need to be so tough? Good policies should be all they need (and neither party has those anymore).

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 6:06pm: Anthony Albanese is in the same mould as Kim Beazley....Decent honest men who lack charisma and a killer instinct....People just do not think these blokes are tough enough to do the job IMO??? :-? :-? :-? Which is kinda ridiculous really. Why do they need to be so tough? Good policies should be all they need (and neither party has those anymore). Spot

Policies are what brought Labor undone....People do not care about anything but themselves....Politicians tell us how bad the other bloke is and what the other side do will be catastrophic, apocalyptic a disaster...ect so the public expect a tough leader who will make the hard decisions despite most of the hyperbole being bullshit....Public perception is everything to a politician and Albo seams a bit too left and weak to ever become PM???

:-? :-? :-?

juliar wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

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Interesting that Australians voted against a fair go - well they certainly didn't get one. Probably what they deserve. A corrupt 2nd rate government that has nothing to offer.

The Libs go to elections standing on their poor economic credentials and the majority of voters do not understand that it is a joke.

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Ho Juliars opinion on Labor ?

Useless dribble.

Labor will likely be well positioned in 2022. All the Liberal lies will come to fruition. We have the good economic managers with an economy falling to bits.

We had the RBA bailing out the economy a week after the election of a government standing on their economic credentials.

It's got me stuffed how Labor allow the Libs to stand on their economic credentials when it is their biggest area of failure.

It was only a short while ago the enthusiastic Lefties worshiped the ground Shorty walked on.

DNA mistakes that my opinion is based on the opinions of well versed journos. So he condemns them too ?

But now the conspiracies grow like weeds in the garden enveloping Albo. Will the unions abandon him ? Will Sad Sack Shorten be returned to lead Labor in Opposition for the next 30 years ?



What did Albo know and when did he know it? Labor rift grows amid leaks and whispers
Samantha Maiden 11:20pm, Nov 10, 2019 Updated: 11:30pm, Nov 10

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Anthony Albanese claims have spawned leaks and whispers from party insiders. Photo: AAP

Anthony Albanese never raised concerns in shadow cabinet prior to the election about reforms to franking credits hitting pensioners, according to Labor colleagues who have questioned his claim there was no election campaign committee and no strategy.

Divisions within the Labor Party have deepened in the wake of a damning review into the ALP campaign that found the campaign was devoid of strategy, failed to respond to the leadership change to Scott Morrison and weighed down by an unpopular leader.

“Given the chaos on the other side of politics, this is an election that we should have won,” Mr Albanese said on Sunday.

But Labor frontbenchers confirm Mr Albanese did not oppose the plan to abolish franking credit refunds prior to the election.

“I don’t remember him saying anything at the time,” a Labor MP said.

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The Labor leader said on Sunday he would make an announcement in due course on whether the policy would be junked or simply grandfathered so it only applied to future investors.

“Clearly, franking credits was an issue during the election campaign, and it’s one which blindsided some people,” he said.

“And clearly, that feedback came through during the election.

“I had one woman say to me she was concerned about her pension. I said, “Well, pensioners won’t be affected.” And I asked her if she had any shares, and she said, “No, I don’t have any shares.”

Any decision to axe or trim the franking credit reforms is expected to force the ALP to also trim promises to restore billions of dollars of Gonski schools funding.

Asked on the ABC’s Insiders program whether he realised, as a member of shadow cabinet, that there was ‘no strategy’, Mr Albanese pointed out he was not a member of the leadership group, which consisted of Bill Shorten, Tanya Plibersek, Penny Wong, Don Farrell, Chris Bowen and Brendan O’Connor.

“Well certainly, I wasn’t aware that there wasn’t a campaign committee, but I wasn’t a member of the leadership group that was making those decisions,” he said.

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Fear of franking credits being scrapped weighed heavily on seniors. Photo: Getty

The ALP review found that “no formal campaign committee was established, creating no forum for formulating an effective strategy or for receiving reports evaluating progress against the strategy.”

But Labor frontbenchers disputed Mr Albanese’s claim there was no campaign committee at all, pointing to the Strategic Working Group, which they said operated as a campaign committee.

The group consisted of ALP campaign director Noah Carrol, the assistant secretary Paul Erickson, Labor leader Bill Shorten, his deputy Tanya Plibersek, ALP President Wayne Swan and Queensland Senator Anthony Chisholm.

However, underlining the fact the criticism in the ALP review is largely accurate, The New Daily understands the committee only met from September 2018 to March 2019 and did not continue to hold formal meetings during the election campaign.

Some Labor officials also maintain the leadership group did sign off on election campaign strategy documents, despite the ALP review report’s claim they do not exist.

On the road
Mr Albanese said he did raise concerns during the election campaign about feedback from the electorate.

“In the last week, for example, I went to Corangamite, and I went across to Perth, to Swan, where Hannah Beazley was the candidate, because I was concerned that we weren’t doing as well as the published polls were showing,” he said.

Mr Albanese also noted he had delivered speeches prior to the election raising concerns that terms used by Labor attacking companies as the “big end of town” was anti-business.

“We have to represent working Australians, but we also have to acknowledge that it is business that employs those working Australians as well. And we need to be inclusive, rather than divisive, in our language,” he said.

Asked if Labor made a mistake by not switching leaders earlier, he replied that you ‘can’t change history’.

“No, look – caucus made that decision and we were united, and that was one of our strengths that for six years. People worked as a cohesive unit,” he said.

“You can’t change history, and I think that we put the rules in place as well to make sure that people didn’t have to worry about internals.

“We learned the lessons of the Rudd and Gillard years. Bill Shorten had six years as leader with a unified party, all working to elect a Shorten Labor government.”

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 6:43pm:

Ho Juliars opinion on Labor ? Useless dribble. Labor will likely be well positioned in 2022. All the Liberal lies will come to fruition. We have the good economic managers with an economy falling to bits. We had the RBA bailing out the economy a week after the election of a government standing on their economic credentials. It's got me stuffed how Labor allow the Libs to stand on their economic credentials when it is their biggest area of failure.

Labor won't make that mistake again.

The last election had a lot in common with the 1980 and 1993 elections. Both of these elections saw oppositions taking a bold agenda to the election with increases to taxation as a prominent policy that the government was able to exploit to retain office. Both elections were followed by changes of government at the next election due to economic issues. Could the next election follow this same path?

Poor distraught Bammy is like a broken record - Labor will return - Labor will return....

His HERO Shifty Shorten really devastated him when he betrayed him.

In the mean time ScoMo smiles as Albo helps him daily. Albo has become a disciple of ScoMo and is trying to copy all of scoMo's election winning policies and shoving the greeny junk policies into the garbage where the voters put Labor at the election.

Labor will be in Opposition for the next 20 years as the voters have long memories of Labor's six sick years of Socialist waste and disgrace and shame and of course RESTART the BOATS!!!!