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Message started by Baronvonrort on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:10am

Title: Tesla sued model s a death trap
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:10am

Quote:

Lawyers for the family of a man who died after his Tesla Model S caught fire are calling the vehicle a 'death trap' in a lawsuit against the company



The family of Omar Awan, a Tesla lessee who died in February after his Model S sedan caught fire, is suing the electric-car maker, alleging that “the Model S’ design was defective and unreasonably dangerous.”


A policeman and other bystanders were not able to attempt to rescue Awan because the design of the Model S’ door handles prevented them from opening the vehicle’s doors, the family’s attorneys claim in the lawsuit.

The Model S has distinctive door handles that are flush with the vehicle’s sheet metal unless the key fob is nearby, at which point they can extend outward, allowing the driver or passenger to grab them and open the door.

The door handles on Awan’s car would not extend for the policeman and other bystanders on the scene of the fire who tried to rescue him, according to the lawsuit.

The attorneys representing Awan’s family allege that Awan did not die from the collision’s impact. Instead, they claim he was killed by the smoke that filled the car after its battery caught fire.



https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-sued-by-family-of-man-died-model-s-fire-2019-10

Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
Post by juliar on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:43am
I have been saying that for months.  Do Tesla drivers have a death wish ?


Dangerous unsafe pollution spewing very inconvenient Tesla S toy "car" burnt to a crisp.




How to open the doors on a dangerous unsafe pollution spewing very inconvenient Tesla S toy "car".




Dangerous unsafe pollution spewing very inconvenient Tesla S toy "car" ceases to function.




Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
Post by Sir lastnail on Oct 25th, 2019 at 2:38pm
So much for the nay-sayers :D LOL

Tesla Stock Is on Fire and Shorts Are Feeling the Heat

https://www.investopedia.com/tesla-shorts-shrink-their-positions-4774048


Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
Post by juliar on Oct 25th, 2019 at 3:06pm
More lies and total rubbish from the child's mind in an adult body of the loony Greeny Scunge who is a Tesla Fan Girl.

Actually China is turning away from the useless electric toy "cars" and turning to the ultimate future power - HYDROGEN.


Now for the FACTS.  Do Tesla drivers have a death wish ?



The unsafe dangerous pollution spewing very inconvenient Tesla S toy "car" grinds to a halt.


Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
Post by Bobby. on Oct 25th, 2019 at 3:33pm
This thread is silly -
all cars are death traps -
100s if not 1000s of people die every day
in the world in traffic accidents.

Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
Post by Sir lastnail on Oct 25th, 2019 at 3:50pm
Hey socko. You should have bought Tesla shares instead of garbage shares in cash converters or dominos pizza or Nick Scali rubbish chinese made furniture :D LOL


Quote:
Tesla Stock Is Worth More Than GM Again

Tesla’s blockbuster earnings—and the big gain that’s followed—has made the stock in Elon Musk’s company worth more than General Motors again.

Tesla stock (ticker: TSLA) has jumped 18% to $300.32 after the company turned a surprise profit. With 179 million shares outstanding, that leaves Tesla with a market cap of nearly $54 billion. At Wednesday’s closing price of $254.68, Tesla was worth just under $46 billion.

General Motors stock (GM) has dropped 0.4% to $36.45 in after-hours trading—blame Ford Motor (F), which cut its earnings guidance. At that price, GM is worth just over $52 billion. Ford is worth nearly $36 billion after dropping 2.6% to $8.97 in after-hours trading.

It’s quite a turn for Tesla, which just a few weeks ago was getting pounded for missing delivery estimates. A nine-day winning streak and now a surprise profit have turned things around very, very fast.

Dare we say ludicrously fast?


https://www.barrons.com/articles/tesla-jumps-on-earnings-worth-more-than-gm-ford-51571868624

Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
Post by juliar on Oct 29th, 2019 at 7:17am
The ridiculous child's mind in an adult body the ludicrous Greeny Scunge shows off her legendary ignorance of just about everything.  Her child's mind in an adult body just cannot cope. Se is just another totally ignorant Tesla Fan Girl just like the other goolies.



It's not only the dangerous unsafe Tesla S that can become your coffin, the Tesla X is just as good.


Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
Post by Sir lastnail on Oct 30th, 2019 at 10:29am
Hey socko here is something for you to copy and paste ;)

BMW death traps: More than 250,000 cars in Britain are at risk of bursting into flames... but firm has only told HALF of owners about potentially fatal fault


Quote:
[list bull-blackball]
  • Fault affects 1.6m cars worldwide - it can cause flammable coolant to leak on to burning hot exhaust system near engine, potentially triggering a fire

    [list bull-blackball]
  • German car giant accused of failing to act quickly enough on threat and is facing criminal investigation in South Korea over delays

    [list bull-blackball]
  • BMW already faces claims it was slow to recall almost 300,000 cars last year due to separate fault in air con system which may cause them to catch fire

    [list bull-blackball]
  • New row centres on 'exhaust gas recirculation' cooler - designed to reduce emissions - and affects 12 BMW models


    More than 130,000 BMW owners have not been warned they are driving cars at risk of bursting into flames.

    BMW pledged to contact drivers about the potentially lethal fault last October but has so far issued warnings to fewer than half of owners affected.

    The fault affects more than 250,000 cars in the UK – 1.6million worldwide – and can cause flammable coolant to leak on to the burning hot exhaust system near the engine, potentially triggering a fire.


  • https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6761995/BMW-death-traps-250-000-cars-Britain-risk-bursting-flames.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN7mRc2Ppnc

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by Bojack Horseman on Oct 30th, 2019 at 10:44am

    Bobby. wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
    This thread is silly -
    all cars are death traps -
    100s if not 1000s of people die every day
    in the world in traffic accidents.



    Indeed, its only because its anti-electric thing that juliar keeps crapping on about.

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by Sir lastnail on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:25pm

    Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 10:44am:

    Bobby. wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
    This thread is silly -
    all cars are death traps -
    100s if not 1000s of people die every day
    in the world in traffic accidents.



    Indeed, its only because its anti-electric thing that juliar keeps crapping on about.


    The libbos tell us that they want us to benefit from cheaper electricity prices which they can never deliver btw. But when it comes to cheaper running costs of an electric vehicle compared to a clunker all of a sudden they hate the idea of electric vehicles :D LOL

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by Bobby. on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:50pm

    Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 10:44am:

    Bobby. wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
    This thread is silly -
    all cars are death traps -
    100s if not 1000s of people die every day
    in the world in traffic accidents.



    Indeed, its only because its anti-electric thing that juliar keeps crapping on about.



    I've got news for Juliar -
    petrol will eventually run out and we'll only have electric vehicles.

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by Sir lastnail on Oct 30th, 2019 at 9:52pm

    Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:50pm:

    Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 10:44am:

    Bobby. wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
    This thread is silly -
    all cars are death traps -
    100s if not 1000s of people die every day
    in the world in traffic accidents.



    Indeed, its only because its anti-electric thing that juliar keeps crapping on about.



    I've got news for Juliar -
    petrol will eventually run out and we'll only have electric vehicles.


    socko wants everyone to switch to hydrogen so his LNP mates can still rip everyone off on their energy needs :(

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by Bojack Horseman on Oct 31st, 2019 at 8:10am

    Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:50pm:

    Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 10:44am:

    Bobby. wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
    This thread is silly -
    all cars are death traps -
    100s if not 1000s of people die every day
    in the world in traffic accidents.



    Indeed, its only because its anti-electric thing that juliar keeps crapping on about.



    I've got news for Juliar -
    petrol will eventually run out and we'll only have electric vehicles.




    Communist

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by juliar on Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:23pm
    Gee Whiz! BH is a bit out of his depth in this grimy world of burnt out Tesla toy "cars".



    Wonder why Tesla drivers keep driving their Tesla S toy "car" into things ?  Does the electromagnetic radiation from all that electric stuff make them go to sleep ?


    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by Sir lastnail on Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:28pm
    and like most LNP losers socko is in total denial of reality. Here is a reality check for you socko. Deny this if you can ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN7mRc2Ppnc

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by juliar on Oct 31st, 2019 at 5:22pm
    The stupid lame brained Greeny Scunge doesn't understand this thread is about the dangerous unsafe pollution spewing very inconvenient Tesla toy "cars" and NOT about petrol/diesel vehicles. She is just so dumb and ignorant.



    Another dangerous unsafe pollution spewing very inconvenient useless Tesla S toy "car" finally stops spewing pollution.



    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by Sir lastnail on Oct 31st, 2019 at 10:10pm
    socko socko socko :D LOL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN7mRc2Ppnc

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by juliar on Nov 1st, 2019 at 10:58am
    The silly dumb Greeny Scunge galoot's child's brain just can't cope. Must be terrible to be retarded like this. The silly fool must think that people actually bother to look at silly YouTube rubbish videos like this.

    Burning Teslas are causing Global Warming!!!


    Up she goes.


    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:51pm

    Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 10:44am:

    Bobby. wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
    This thread is silly -
    all cars are death traps -
    100s if not 1000s of people die every day
    in the world in traffic accidents.



    Indeed, its only because its anti-electric thing that juliar keeps crapping on about.


    The only silly thing in this thread is those who think tesla make good cars.

    Tesla are being sued because the doorhandles that retract make the car a deathtrap which is a design flaw did you miss that part?

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by juliar on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 2:06pm
    But the silly dumb fool the Greeny Scunge has only a child's mind in an adult body which just can't cope with actual reality.

    When the lithium fire bomb battery explodes in a fiery inferno it emits great clouds of toxic poisonous gas!!!!!



    And the other thing with these Tesla death traps is the crummy suspension breaks and a wheel falls off!!!!!



    And there is NO DOUBT that all these burning Tesla toy "cars" are causing Global Warming!!!!!


    Parked Teslas Keep Catching on Fire Randomly, And There's No Recall In Sight.A roundup of every spontaneous Tesla fire shows the company's response is stuck on Autopilot.
    BY JONATHON KLEIN JUNE 18, 2019

    Why are Teslas catching fire? It’s a question we’ve asked Tesla repeatedly only to be met with the same answer: We’re looking into it, and by the way, gas cars catch fire too. Then, silence.

    There are over 270 million cars on the road in the United States, and the vast majority of them run on gasoline. It's flammable, sure, but the fact that an equivalent majority of vehicle fires involve gas-powered cars is also a function of their monopoly. So it's worth taking a step back and looking at how in recent months, with over half a million Teslas on the road at this point, the number of spontaneous fires involving the Model 3, S, and X seems to be increasing. 

    Tesla says there's no reason for concern, but it still pushed a “precautionary” over-the-air update to its Model X and Model S fleet to improve thermal management in the wake of one fire earlier this year. Then another stationary Model S caught fire. And a recall doesn't appear to be coming either, even as Audi makes a cautious and potentially sale-killing move to recall its new E-Tron SUV over a potential fire issue just months after its release.

    As the frequency and details often get lost in the days, weeks, and months between incidents, The Drive has put together a timeline of each occurrence, as well as location, model, and whether or not it was charging at the time of combustion in an effort to better see the bigger picture.

    Read the frightening rest here

    https://www.thedrive.com/news/28420/parked-teslas-keep-catching-on-fire-randomly-and-theres-no-recall-in-sight

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by juliar on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 2:16pm

    Another Tesla S toy "car" goes up in smoke.



    Why do electric cars catch fire?
    September 10, 2019

    And how does the risk compare with conventional cars? Combustion. It's not just what makes cars go, it also makes them go up – in flames.

    The general news media is full of tales concerning electric vehicles (EVs) catching fire, but internal-combustion cars are also known to catch fire. Are EVs more prone to burst into flame than conventional cars?

     
    And what causes fire in EVs? Can it be prevented in future designs of EV, taking all the red-alert risk out of these green-lit cars?

    There's a growing perception that any item – not just cars – powered by lithium-ion batteries can be susceptible to 'thermal runaway', a state in which an exothermic process accelerates the build-up of heat (in a battery, specifically, in the case of EVs). Without any means of controlling the process, the battery could catch fire.

    This has happened to batteries on-board airliners and in smartphones and laptop computers, so there's no reason EVs should be any different.

    Nevertheless, modern EVs do come with thermal management systems, of one sort or another, to ensure batteries only operate in a safe, temperate environment. Car companies are also developing systems to limit the flow of electronics if there's any danger of overheating.

    Despite this, however, EVs are still catching fire. And in some cases it's due to thermal runaway – but not all cases.


    The causes and cases
    Although many presume that battery fires in EVs are directly related to thermal runaway, companies like Tesla have highlighted the other factors that have resulted in vehicle fires specifically involving any of the American brand's products.

    These have included crashes, where damaged wiring has led to a short circuit, for instance, flash floods where saltwater has inundated the battery compartment and shorted the circuitry, and in one memorable case someone in the car firing a bullet into the battery pack through the floor.

    If there's one major difference between the sort of fire that engulfs an EV and one that takes out an internal-combustion car, it's this: The EV fire doesn't necessarily break out immediately after a catastrophic event occurs. Warning lights in the panel and smoke from underneath the car are strong indicators the driver of an EV should pull over immediately and leave the car. There have been very few casualties associated with EV fires. Usually, fatalities and injuries have resulted from the preceding crash that led to the fire.

    To illustrate the sort of lengthy timeframe for fire to gain a foothold in an EV, a Chevrolet Volt crash-tested by America's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) some years ago burst into flames after nearly a month of sitting in a holding yard because the car's electrical system had not been isolated by the crash-test technicians.

    It took three weeks for the damaged battery and electrical system to build up enough heat for the battery's chemicals to ignite.

    A list of cases (not an exhaustive list) has been published in the Wikipedia entry for 'Plug-in electric vehicle fire incidents'. For the majority of incidents published the battery was not directly the cause of the fire.


    What the US government says
    NHTSA has conducted a study into vehicle fires that involved EVs with on-board lithium-ion batteries. In its report, NHTSA noted that car companies have developed 'current limiting devices' to reduce the likelihood of thermal runaway, but the safety authority also raises the concern that lithium-ion battery technology is far from mature.

    Work being undertaken by car companies and battery manufacturers to extend the life and performance of Li-ion batteries, while also reducing size and weight, could lead to an upturn in vehicle battery fires.

    That said, however, NHTSA is confident that EVs are inherently safer from fire risk than conventional cars, as observed in this paragraph:

    Regarding the risk of electrochemical failure, the report concludes that the propensity and severity of fires and explosions from the accidental ignition of flammable electrolytic solvents used in Li-ion battery systems are anticipated to be somewhat comparable to or perhaps slightly less than those for gasoline or diesel vehicular fuels. The overall consequences for Li-ion batteries are expected to be less because of the much smaller amounts of flammable solvent released and burning in a catastrophic failure situation.

    NHTSA, which attributes some vehicle fires to manufacturing defects and misuse or abuse, has categorised the various causes of fires in 'plug-in' vehicles (both plug-in hybrids and battery-electric vehicles) as follows:

    • Electrical short, overcharging, or overdischarging,
    • Exposure to high temperatures or charging at cold temperatures,
    • Excessive shock, impact, compression (crush), or penetration,
    • Corrosive and aggressive agents contaminating internal components (eg: saltwater)
    • Excess cycling, electrochemical component breakdown, fracture and crack growth,
    • Cumulative abuse and service causes,
    • Errors in design, manufacturing, operation, and maintenance.


    https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/why-do-electric-cars-catch-fire-120482/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwsm-26Gf5QIVlIaPCh2w9wzvEAMYASAAEgLrFfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 4th, 2019 at 11:14am
    fossil fool BMW spontaneously combusts !!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN7mRc2Ppnc

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by juliar on Nov 4th, 2019 at 7:48pm
    The stupid fool Scunge is so dumb she can't work out that this topic is about Tesla Death Cars and NOT about petrol and diesel cars.

    But ignoring the Greeny infiltrator and back to the topic.



    Slightly mangled Tesla S.


    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 4th, 2019 at 9:38pm

    juliar wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
    The stupid fool Scunge is so dumb she can't work out that this topic is about Tesla Death Cars and NOT about petrol and diesel cars.

    But ignoring the Greeny infiltrator and back to the topic.



    Slightly mangled Tesla S.


    So why not create a thread about fossil fool death cars ? No shortage of material available on that subject. How come dickhead ?

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by juliar on Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:32pm
    The penny finally drops in her stagnant child's mind in an adult body of the grotty undesirable the Greeny Scunge. Wonder where she will glue herself to next ?

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by .JaSin. on Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:38pm

    Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 10:44am:

    Bobby. wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
    This thread is silly -
    all cars are death traps -
    100s if not 1000s of people die every day
    in the world in traffic accidents.



    Indeed, its only because its anti-electric thing that juliar keeps crapping on about.


    Not much different to You, Pecker, Longy & Sad Kanga regarding Trump no?

    If Electric Vehicles are the only alternative - then good.
    No-one, like the Democrats, can think of anything better.

    Title: Re: Tesla sued model s a death trap
    Post by juliar on Nov 5th, 2019 at 8:44am
    Hypocrite Tesla toy car drivers support child labor in the cobalt mines.

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