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Title: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 11th, 2019 at 6:52am
https://www.theblaze.com/news/ukrainian-mp-joe-biden-got-nearly-1m-from-burisma-for-lobbying
Ukrainian MP: Joe Biden got nearly $1M from Burisma for lobbying He wants the DOJ to investigate A Ukrainian member of Parliament said former Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 from Burisma for lobbying activities and called for the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate further, according to Ukrainian news agency Interfax. "This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company," Derkach said. "Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services." Derkach also alleged that $16.5 million was paid by Burisma to a group of representatives that included Hunter Biden. He said Joe Biden used "political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine" to help Burisma by closing investigations into Burisma group's founder and owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. According to Derkach, there is a clear link between a $1 billion loan guarantee signed between the U.S. and Ukraine, and the firing of prosecutor general Viktor Shokin two months before. Shokin was investigating Burisma before he was fired. "Biden's fifth visit to Kyiv on December 7-8, 2015, was devoted to making a decision on the resignation of [then Ukrainian Prosecutor General] Viktor Shokin over the case of Zlochevsky and Burisma," Derkach said. "Loan guarantees worth $1 billion that the United States was to give to Ukraine was the point of pressure. Biden himself admitted exerting pressure in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in January 2018, calling Shokin 'son of a bitch who was fired.'" The Biden campaign did not immediately return a request by TheBlaze for comment on Derkach's allegations. Rudy Giuliani, attorney for President Donald Trump, pointed to Derkach's allegations to support his own claims of the Bidens' corruption in Ukraine. "This case stinks. They can run away from it all they want," Giuliani said on Fox News on Wednesday, also suggesting that there was corruption involving Biden with China and Romania. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 11th, 2019 at 6:56am https://www.zerohedge.com/political/joe-biden-personally-paid-900000-burisma-according-ukrainian-mp-bombshell-admission Joe Biden 'Personally Paid $900,000 By Burisma' According To Ukrainian MP In Bombshell Admission Ukrainian MP Andriy Derkach revealed on Wednesday that former Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 from Burisma Group for lobbying activities, citing materials related to an investigation. Via Interfax: Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials. Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday. -Interfax "This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," said Derkach. Derkach also puiblicized sums of money transferred to Burisma Group representatives - including Joe Biden's son Hunter. "According to the documents, Burisma paid no less than $16.5 million to [former Polish President, who became an independent director at Burisma Holdings in 2014] Aleksander Kwasniewski, [chairman of the Burisma board of independent directors] Alan Apter, [Burisma independent director] Devon Archer and Hunter Biden [who joined the Burisma board of directors in 2014]," Derkach added. "Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group." "Biden's fifth visit to Kyiv on December 7-8, 2015 was devoted to making a decision on the resignation of [then Ukrainian Prosecutor General] Viktor Shokin over the case of Zlochevsky and Burisma. Loan guarantees worth $1 billion that the United States was to give to Ukraine was the point of pressure. Biden himself admitted exerting pressure in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in January 2018, calling Shokin 'son of a bitch who was fired'," Derkach added. Via Interfax: The timeline of events proves that the U.S. linked the Zlochevsky case to loan guarantees, he said. After the decree dismissing Shokin was published on April 3, 2016, the governments of the United States and Ukraine signed a loan guarantee agreement worth $1 billion, several months later, on June 3, he said. "In this case, there are facts should be subject to investigation. There is an agency that has powers to investigate them; the U.S. Department of Justice. If the Ukrainian Prosecutor General signs documents and send them to U.S. Department of Justice without any requests, he will accomplish his mission," he said, adding that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General has such powers. "Considering international corruption in public is a way-out for President Zelensky. I am certain that he is not involved in international corruption," Derkach said. It was reported earlier that Derkach publicized correspondence between the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and officers of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. According to publicized correspondence, starting from July 14, 2017, the lists of criminal proceedings undertaken by NABU officers were sent from the electronic mailbox of Polina Chyzh, an assistant to NABU first deputy head Gizo Uglava, to the electronic mailbox of Hanna Yemelianova, a legal specialist of the anti-corruption program of the U.S. Justice Department at U.S. Embassy in Ukraine. Derkach says he will publish the leaked documents on his Facebook account, and will initiate the creation of an ad hoc parliamentary investigative commission, "and has already requested launching a criminal case against Ukrainian officials into interference into U.S. elections," according to the report. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by SerialBrain9 on Oct 11th, 2019 at 7:05am
Watch them go after Giuliani now that he's exposing all of this.
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They wont investigate the Biden/Clinton/DNC crimes - only attack those who are trying to expose those crimes. America has been taken over by Traitors and half of Americans are blind as to whats going on. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 11th, 2019 at 7:24am |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by SerialBrain9 on Oct 11th, 2019 at 7:32am
News you won't hear on the corrupt MSN
Salem witch trials are fairer than Dems' impeachment probe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkQZ-mxUUEI Keep your eye on Romania. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Richdude on Oct 11th, 2019 at 1:41pm SerialBrain9 wrote on Oct 11th, 2019 at 7:32am:
Rudy has the evidence, so what do the Democrats do? Attack him like Brutus did! |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by mortdooley on Oct 11th, 2019 at 10:27pm
Clearly it is not a crime if the Democrats do it but if Trump or his sons were accused everything would be different!
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by SerialBrain9 on Oct 12th, 2019 at 8:29am Mortdooley wrote on Oct 11th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
If Trump or his family took one dollar of Ukraine the Forum liberals would literally go into meltdown with TDS :D |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:12am
Let's get to the bottom of this, dear ones. Andryi Derkach has published evidence that the Burisma gas company paid $900,000 to the US lobbying firm Rosemont Seneca.
Rosemont Seneca was co-founded by Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden. Hunter, of course, was also on the board of Burisma. Giuliani then went on Hannity and repeated Derkach's claim. He made the point that you won't read this in the mainstream media. The New York Post then published the Derkach/Giuliani claim that the $900,000 paid to Rosemont Seneca was a bribe to Joe Biden, but it was clear to point out that this is an unfounded allegation and that, to date, there is no evidence to connect the payment to Joe Biden. Giuliani's claim that "you won't read this in the New York Times is correct." Without evidence, the claim that the payment was made to Joe Biden would be libellous. This is why the New York Post was careful to specify that this was merely Giuliani's claim. The Post is owned by Murdoch. Giuliani's claim was made on another Murdoch-owned outlet, Fox News. Truth is facts, dear ones, facts are truth. Giuliani has taken to holding up sheets of paper on Fox News, claiming "evidence". Derkach published his evidence on Facebook. Burisma did indeed pay $900,0000 to Rosemont Seneca. But I'm curious. Where is the evidence that the money was paid to Joe Biden? Giuliani didn't say. Hannity didn't ask. The New York Post simply repeated the claim. Elected officials in the US must disclose all financial conflicts of interest and publish all political donations. They must also disclose affiliations with lobby groups like Rosemont Seneca. Any personal or political payment like this would be traceable. Payment for lobbying services, of course, is legal. Being a paid lobbyist within government is illegal. Let's get to the truth here, beloveds. Does anybody know these facts? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by longweekend58 on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:16am
NO ONE is reporting this, not even foxnews so...
FAKE NEWS morons |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by AiA on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:19am Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:12am:
Fair point. Let's ask ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ when he returns from his AMBLA meeting. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:28am longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:16am:
On the evidence, Giuliani's claims are libellous. Hannity and Fox News are also at risk. I'm not sure of the US libel laws - they do have a 1st amendment - but publishing false allegations is grounds for litigation. When Biden's campaign wrote to the networks, he demanded that they stop publishing bullsht without question. I'm not sure if he threatened to sue. I'm not sure if he can, given the right to political free speech. Hannity let Giuliani hold up his papers and make unsubstantiated claims without interruption. The claim that Biden personally profited from political deals is, to date, unproven. Pizzagate and Birtherism caused huge political damage to Hillary and Obama. Alex Jones was sued, forced to apologise and take down his lucrative Infowars channel. Facts are truth. Let's get to the bottom of this one, beloveds. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Frank on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:39am
Biden’s son, Hunter, has had a pretty troubled life with drugs and booze and relationship problems. He was thrown out of the navy reserve for testing positive to cocaine. He has also ruthlessly used his father’s name and connections to forge a profitable business career.
Just after Joe Biden was given responsibility for leading policy in the Obama administration on Ukraine, Hunter Biden was appointed to the board of Ukrainian gas company Burisma, founded by an ex-communist oligarch and much accused of corruption. Hunter Biden had no experience or expertise in gas or in Ukraine. He was paid $US50,000 a month for his board position and allegedly had other lucrative transactions with the company. Is there a single person on God’s green earth who thinks Hunter Biden got that lucrative appointment for any reason other than that he was Joe Biden’s son? On another occasion, Hunter Biden flew with his dad on Air Force Two to China, when Biden Sr was making an official visit as vice-president. Hunter arranged a photo op for his Chinese business partner with his dad, the veep. One of Hunter’s projects was raising an investment fund with Chinese backing. Amazingly, the son of the serving vice-president, having travelled to China on Air Force Two and introduced his partners to Dad, was successful in securing substantial Chinese backing for the fund. Even newspapers sympathetic to the Bidens say the sums raised were substantial. Some put them at $US1.5bn. On yet another occasion, Hunter Biden received a diamond as a personal gift from a Chinese business associate. We don’t know its value because, Biden Jr says, he gave it away. None of this, on its face, is illegal. But does anyone think this was the right way for the Biden family to behave? https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/even-embattled-trump-able-to-land-big-blows-on-biden/news-story/dab6af0861a4876c00f64df3d0c5ad51 |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:41am AiA wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:19am:
Good idea. Dear one has always spoken up for truth. His very nomenclature is a testament to it. It_is_the_light, no? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 12th, 2019 at 11:42am Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:39am:
Yes, dear boy, Mr Trump: Quote:
And the State Department: Quote:
And Burisma: Quote:
But not Hunter: Quote:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/08/will-hunter-biden-jeopardize-his-fathers-campaign But let's stop virtue signalling and get down to the facts, shall we? How did Biden profit? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Richdude on Oct 12th, 2019 at 12:24pm longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 10:16am:
Thats because its factual! Giuliani has the statements under oath and affidavits. So why is Joe and the Dems not suing? Because a court case would expose the truth and their criminality. Game set and match! |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 12th, 2019 at 1:01pm Richdude wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 12:24pm:
Statements of what exactly, Rich? We're trying to establish the facts here. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 12th, 2019 at 1:13pm
And why does Giuliani keep waving affidavits around? This matter isn't in court. Where would he be filing affidavits?
I'll let you in on a secret, dear ones. Mr Trump used to hold up Manila folders with papers during his negotiations. "I've got all the facts I need to know right here," he'd say. "I've had this investigated. It's all in this report, believe me." Oh, they'd say, and fall silent. Even if it was only for a split second, that silence was all Mr Trump needed. Mr Trump once left his papers on the table after a pre-trial mediation. A lawyer opened the folder and took a peek. Blank pages. The lot. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Frank on Oct 12th, 2019 at 3:51pm Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 11:42am:
And Burisma: Quote:
But not Hunter: Quote:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/08/will-hunter-biden-jeopardize-his-fathers-campaign But let's stop virtue signalling and get down to the facts, shall we? How did Biden profit? [/quote] Biden fils made a mint out of Biden pere being VP. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 12th, 2019 at 4:29pm
We know you like Danish, dear boy, but we're translating our facts into English.
Biden certainly did make a fortune as a lobbyist/board member/hedge-fund broker, etc, etc, etc. He comes from a political family. He inherited a political network from his father. So why does Mr Trump, a property developer who started with his father's political connections, have a problem with this? Why does Trump Jnr, who's family lives off their White House positions, political connections and their father's business kick up such a stink? None of Biden's actions have been shown to be related to his son's business. We're now onto personal profit. We're trying to uncover the link to Biden cashing in. Perhaps you can post a photo of a woman in a letterbox outfit counting money. When you're given lemons, make lemonade, yes? When Fox News gives you blank paper to use as a prop, make "affidavits", no? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Frank on Oct 12th, 2019 at 5:18pm Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 4:29pm:
For a Paki you speak good English - is that how you want to big-note yourself now? Anyway - so Biden has no Russia/Ukraine connection but Trump does? How does that work? A Dem can do no wrong, A Republican does ONLY wrong? It was like that with Slick Willy, Dubya, O'Bama and now Trump. Clinton could even argue the toss over 'what the meaning of 'is' is. The two-bit, contorted-faced progs like you are snarling about anything and everything a Rebublican or here a Liberal does but the sins and misdemeanors of Dems and Labor are met with instant 'nuffin' to see here, it's like anything'. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 12th, 2019 at 7:55pm Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 5:18pm:
Let's see. Mr Trump's lawyer has a lobbying firm that does business in Eastern Europe. He meets all these crooks and comes to Mr Trump with a good story. Mr Trump gets on the blower to the Ukraine pres and tells him to get some of that dirt Giuliani's goons are selling. Pity they didn't declare all their laundered money and over a mil in donations to Mr Trump. Now they're in jail. Still, they've got all those photos with Mr Trump and - oh - his son. That might help. Good to see you're curious, dear boy. Have you got any facts on Biden yet? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Frank on Oct 12th, 2019 at 8:17pm Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 7:55pm:
So Biden's good? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 12th, 2019 at 8:33pm Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 8:17pm:
Virtue signalling again, eh? You come back with a nice letterbox photo, old boy. Show us how good you are. It_is_the_light. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Dnarever on Oct 12th, 2019 at 9:11pm Quote:
Does anyone know when this payment was supposedly made ? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Dnarever on Oct 13th, 2019 at 10:26am Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 9:11pm:
Thats OK none of the articles or reports do either. I wonder why that is ? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 13th, 2019 at 11:19am
Hard to say, Dnarever, but we're committed to uncovering these facts in this thread.
Timing is important, no? Biden may or may not have been in office. But so too is how the funds were transferred to Biden's own bank account, which is Giuliani's claim. This should all be in Rosemont and Seneca's financial records. Perhaps our dear one has access to these facts. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Frank on Oct 13th, 2019 at 6:56pm
Hu
Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Oh, so Biden's not good? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 13th, 2019 at 9:46pm Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 6:56pm:
Oh? Please explain. We're here to uncover the evidence. You? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Dnarever on Oct 13th, 2019 at 10:16pm Richdude wrote on Oct 12th, 2019 at 12:24pm:
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Yes but so far it looks like to the other side. |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Dnarever on Oct 13th, 2019 at 10:18pm
Lets see Trump asks the Ukraine to dig up dirt on Joe now surprise surprise we see that the Ukraine has put out some unsupported dirt on Joe ?
I wonder when or if we get some detail or evidence ? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 13th, 2019 at 10:23pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
We will, Dnarever, we will. Dear one, Rich, the old boy, they're all here to help uncover the truth. We'll wait and see, okay? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Richdude on Oct 14th, 2019 at 12:10am Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
Plenty of evidence stupid but you don't have the maturity or morality to confront your own retarded ideas. Ukrainian minister testified under OATH! |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 14th, 2019 at 6:50am Richdude wrote on Oct 14th, 2019 at 12:10am:
Which minister, Rich? Testified what? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Abu on Oct 15th, 2019 at 7:30am
Dear ones? Does anyone have any facts?
Or should we let this thread drop like a stone in the swamp? |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:00am |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:05am
For 1 thing he isnt the president of america
Spot |
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by SerialBrain9 on Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:28am SerialBrain9 wrote on Oct 11th, 2019 at 7:05am:
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Title: Re: Joe Biden Received $900,000 from UKRAINE Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:34am https://www.zerohedge.com/political/joe-biden-personally-paid-900000-burisma-according-ukrainian-mp-bombshell-admission https://www.theblaze.com/news/ukrainian-mp-joe-biden-got-nearly-1m-from-burisma-for-lobbying A Ukrainian member of Parliament said former Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 from Burisma for lobbying activities and called for the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate further, according to Ukrainian news agency Interfax. Ukrainian MP Andriy Derkach said he has documentation to back up his claim, which he said he will post on his Facebook page. "This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company," Derkach said. "Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services." Derkach also alleged that $16.5 million was paid by Burisma to a group of representatives that included Hunter Biden. He said Joe Biden used "political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine" to help Burisma by closing investigations into Burisma group's founder and owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. According to Derkach, there is a clear link between a $1 billion loan guarantee signed between the U.S. and Ukraine, and the firing of prosecutor general Viktor Shokin two months before. Shokin was investigating Burisma before he was fired. "Biden's fifth visit to Kyiv on December 7-8, 2015, was devoted to making a decision on the resignation of [then Ukrainian Prosecutor General] Viktor Shokin over the case of Zlochevsky and Burisma," Derkach said. "Loan guarantees worth $1 billion that the United States was to give to Ukraine was the point of pressure. Biden himself admitted exerting pressure in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in January 2018, calling Shokin 'son of a bitch who was fired.'" The Biden campaign did not immediately return a request by TheBlaze for comment on Derkach's allegations. Rudy Giuliani, attorney for President Donald Trump, pointed to Derkach's allegations to support his own claims of the Bidens' corruption in Ukraine. "This case stinks. They can run away from it all they want," Giuliani said on Fox News on Wednesday, also suggesting that there was corruption involving Biden with China and Romania. UPDATE, 10/10/2019 at 11:55 a.m. EST: John Solomon, an executive vice president at The Hill and contributor to Fox News, reported that no such $900,000 payment was made from Burisma to Biden. https://youtu.be/vkQZ-mxUUEI |
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