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Message started by Setanta on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:21pm

Title: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:21pm
I used to remember all my passwords and it was hard. I've decided to get over it and rely on a password manager. I searched around for one that generated random, long, unrememberable passwords and found Chrome did it with a flag set and with a google account saved them across devices . Now don't get het up. Hear me out.

You can turn on random PW generation in Chrome(chrome://flags ->Automatic password generation). It's a bit of a pain to change a site password. Log in, delete the saved data, change password, generate password, save password somewhere else, copy and paste, tell chrome to remove the password from that site(chrome://settings/privacy Auto-fill->passwords) then log out, log in again and paste the password you saved. It's easy for new sites as there is no need for that. Don't change a password until you have copied the new one somewhere. I just paste it into a new browser tab as a temp. Then log in and have chrome/chromium save the new data.

You can export these passwords to use in other browsers or password managers.

So, I don't need a memory anymore and all my passwords are so obscure I couldn't remember them all anyway.


Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Gordon on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:37pm
I like Keepass and keep the data file on a USB (and a few other places).

Another trick, I type in two easily remembered characters before and after the saved password, just in case somehow it's hacked, the stored password won't work.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Bobby. on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:38pm
There is a rumor that since Win95 - a long time ago that Bill Gates was forced
to hand over the source code of all the Windows operating systems to the the NSA who then passed it on all around the world.

This means that a State actor can send you a fake Windows update
that includes a key logger that sends all your keystrokes
to the Govt. so that any password is recorded.
Also, any file can be read on your hard disk remotely
and sent out by a temporarily open port.

You have no privacy - and  you haven't since 1995.

Windows is wide open to Govt. agencies & possible many criminal actors.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
There is a rumor that since Win95 - a long time ago that Bill Gates was forced
to hand over the source code of all the Windows operating systems to the the NSA who then passed it on all around the world.

This means that a State actor can send you a fake Windows update
that includes a key logger that sends all your keystrokes
to the Govt. so that any password is recorded.
Also, any file can be read on your hard disk remotely
and sent out by a temporarily open port.

You have no privacy - and  you haven't since 1995.

Windows is wide open to Govt. agencies & possible many criminal actors.


Ummmm. I don't do windows. I had win 3.0 on a pc I bought. Then 3.1 upgrade but everything was DOS then anyway. I moved to OS/2 then to Linux. I haven't done windows since 1993.

Edit: I know that looks elitist. I've supported win for years for work. I just don't use it personally and wouldn't.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:43pm
This thread is more about that there is a random password gen in Chrome or Chromium and how to use it. It just needs to be turned on.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Bobby. on Sep 21st, 2019 at 5:04am

Setanta wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
There is a rumor that since Win95 - a long time ago that Bill Gates was forced
to hand over the source code of all the Windows operating systems to the the NSA who then passed it on all around the world.

This means that a State actor can send you a fake Windows update
that includes a key logger that sends all your keystrokes
to the Govt. so that any password is recorded.
Also, any file can be read on your hard disk remotely
and sent out by a temporarily open port.

You have no privacy - and  you haven't since 1995.

Windows is wide open to Govt. agencies & possible many criminal actors.


Ummmm. I don't do windows. I had win 3.0 on a pc I bought. Then 3.1 upgrade but everything was DOS then anyway. I moved to OS/2 then to Linux. I haven't done windows since 1993.

Edit: I know that looks elitist. I've supported win for years for work. I just don't use it personally and wouldn't.



Yes - Linux is much safer but I've never even seen it.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 21st, 2019 at 8:40am
One thing to keep in mind, if you have a local admin account or root access you can export the passwords from Chrome.  An external manager that encrypts the password and also does the same sort of sync to the other devices is a little more secure, but you're still having your passwords to a 3rd party.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by lee on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:49am
Are there no more backdoors into Windows? (That sounds rather strange a door in a window).

I don't use Win anymore either.

I use "Password Gorilla" which will also generate passwords as well as store them. It runs on Mac and Win as well.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:58am

Setanta wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:21pm:
I used to remember all my passwords and it was hard. I've decided to get over it and rely on a password manager. I searched around for one that generated random, long, unrememberable passwords and found Chrome did it with a flag set and with a google account saved them across devices . Now don't get het up. Hear me out.

You can turn on random PW generation in Chrome(chrome://flags ->Automatic password generation). It's a bit of a pain to change a site password. Log in, delete the saved data, change password, generate password, save password somewhere else, copy and paste, tell chrome to remove the password from that site(chrome://settings/privacy Auto-fill->passwords) then log out, log in again and paste the password you saved. It's easy for new sites as there is no need for that. Don't change a password until you have copied the new one somewhere. I just paste it into a new browser tab as a temp. Then log in and have chrome/chromium save the new data.

You can export these passwords to use in other browsers or password managers.

So, I don't need a memory anymore and all my passwords are so obscure I couldn't remember them all anyway.

Good idea. I have been considering that too.

The IT department at work had a seminar on it, they recommended 'Lastpass'.
They had done the research.  I have not joined it yet but will.

https://www.lastpass.com/

https://www.lastpass.com/

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Bobby. on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:10pm
Why trust any 3rd party software?

They might have a glossy website but who knows what they are really doing?

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by lee on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Why trust any 3rd party software?



because given Windows and its past history of back doors, I wouldn't rely on any password manager they chuck up.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:23pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Why trust any 3rd party software?

They might have a glossy website but who knows what they are really doing?


Same thing to worry about when syncing passwords with Chome itself...

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Bobby. on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:24pm

lee wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Why trust any 3rd party software?



because given Windows and its past history of back doors, I wouldn't rely on any password manager they chuck up.



Privacy was destroyed after 1995.
It doesn't matter what you do - your computer
is open to any determined hacker - especially Govt. actors.
Even if you keep passwords in a black book inside a safe -
they can still be broadcast from a key logger to a hacker or the Govt.
Govts. have back doors to every file on your computer.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by lee on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:24pm:
Privacy was destroyed after 1995.


That doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions. And using third party on Windows would be the first thing I did.


Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Bobby. on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:54pm

lee wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:24pm:
Privacy was destroyed after 1995.


That doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions. And using third party on Windows would be the first thing I did.



I have my own methods to hide passwords.
That's all I can do.

go to
www.grc.com

and do a shields up test on -
at least see if you're in stealth mode on all service ports -  all 1056 of them.

( there are actually even more,  65,536 to be precise
but they don't mention them!)

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Redmond Neck on Sep 21st, 2019 at 2:46pm
I have been using Robform for years can link to all your devices.

Very good in my opinion

https://www.roboform.com/

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:13pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:58am:

Setanta wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:21pm:
I used to remember all my passwords and it was hard. I've decided to get over it and rely on a password manager. I searched around for one that generated random, long, unrememberable passwords and found Chrome did it with a flag set and with a google account saved them across devices . Now don't get het up. Hear me out.

You can turn on random PW generation in Chrome(chrome://flags ->Automatic password generation). It's a bit of a pain to change a site password. Log in, delete the saved data, change password, generate password, save password somewhere else, copy and paste, tell chrome to remove the password from that site(chrome://settings/privacy Auto-fill->passwords) then log out, log in again and paste the password you saved. It's easy for new sites as there is no need for that. Don't change a password until you have copied the new one somewhere. I just paste it into a new browser tab as a temp. Then log in and have chrome/chromium save the new data.

You can export these passwords to use in other browsers or password managers.

So, I don't need a memory anymore and all my passwords are so obscure I couldn't remember them all anyway.

Good idea. I have been considering that too.

The IT department at work had a seminar on it, they recommended 'Lastpass'.
They had done the research.  I have not joined it yet but will.

https://www.lastpass.com/

https://www.lastpass.com/


I contemplated last pass but it's had a couple of security breaches/flaws.

edit: My son uses windows and swears by enpass. It stores credentials locally though so you need to have a way to share it's files between devices.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:23pm
Setanta - using Chrome password manager, do you just have to log into your laptop, then their manager will 'offer' all the passwords to you ?

As people get more passwords, the use of a manager becomes more sensible

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:28pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Setanta - using Chrome password manager, do you just have to log into your laptop, then their manager will 'offer' all the passwords to you ?

As people get more passwords, the use of a manager becomes more sensible


Yes. If you want to sync them between all devices you use, you need to log into your google account and have sync turned on. In fact it will just log you in unless you tell it to just fill which is what I do. You may not always want to log in.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:38pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:58am:

Setanta wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:21pm:
I used to remember all my passwords and it was hard. I've decided to get over it and rely on a password manager. I searched around for one that generated random, long, unrememberable passwords and found Chrome did it with a flag set and with a google account saved them across devices . Now don't get het up. Hear me out.

You can turn on random PW generation in Chrome(chrome://flags ->Automatic password generation). It's a bit of a pain to change a site password. Log in, delete the saved data, change password, generate password, save password somewhere else, copy and paste, tell chrome to remove the password from that site(chrome://settings/privacy Auto-fill->passwords) then log out, log in again and paste the password you saved. It's easy for new sites as there is no need for that. Don't change a password until you have copied the new one somewhere. I just paste it into a new browser tab as a temp. Then log in and have chrome/chromium save the new data.

You can export these passwords to use in other browsers or password managers.

So, I don't need a memory anymore and all my passwords are so obscure I couldn't remember them all anyway.

Good idea. I have been considering that too.

The IT department at work had a seminar on it, they recommended 'Lastpass'.
They had done the research.  I have not joined it yet but will.

https://www.lastpass.com/

https://www.lastpass.com/


More to my last post re lastpass. This was the last one but it was fixed quickly.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/password-revealing-bug-quickly-fixed-in-lastpass-extensions/

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 21st, 2019 at 7:46pm

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Setanta - using Chrome password manager, do you just have to log into your laptop, then their manager will 'offer' all the passwords to you ?

As people get more passwords, the use of a manager becomes more sensible


Yes. If you want to sync them between all devices you use, you need to log into your google account and have sync turned on. In fact it will just log you in unless you tell it to just fill which is what I do. You may not always want to log in.


I use chrome.
My forms are filled in automatically, which is good.
Will sign into google and see what I have set there.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Dnarever on Sep 21st, 2019 at 7:52pm

Setanta wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
There is a rumor that since Win95 - a long time ago that Bill Gates was forced
to hand over the source code of all the Windows operating systems to the the NSA who then passed it on all around the world.

This means that a State actor can send you a fake Windows update
that includes a key logger that sends all your keystrokes
to the Govt. so that any password is recorded.
Also, any file can be read on your hard disk remotely
and sent out by a temporarily open port.

You have no privacy - and  you haven't since 1995.

Windows is wide open to Govt. agencies & possible many criminal actors.


Ummmm. I don't do windows. I had win 3.0 on a pc I bought. Then 3.1 upgrade but everything was DOS then anyway. I moved to OS/2 then to Linux. I haven't done windows since 1993.

Edit: I know that looks elitist. I've supported win for years for work. I just don't use it personally and wouldn't.


I think you miss the point - You cannot use a operating system that the government does not have a backdoor to. Not using windows makes no difference.

I remember in Australia the reason the mobile phone introduction was delayed was because the government could not monitor it at the time.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 21st, 2019 at 9:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 7:52pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
There is a rumor that since Win95 - a long time ago that Bill Gates was forced
to hand over the source code of all the Windows operating systems to the the NSA who then passed it on all around the world.

This means that a State actor can send you a fake Windows update
that includes a key logger that sends all your keystrokes
to the Govt. so that any password is recorded.
Also, any file can be read on your hard disk remotely
and sent out by a temporarily open port.

You have no privacy - and  you haven't since 1995.

Windows is wide open to Govt. agencies & possible many criminal actors.


Ummmm. I don't do windows. I had win 3.0 on a pc I bought. Then 3.1 upgrade but everything was DOS then anyway. I moved to OS/2 then to Linux. I haven't done windows since 1993.

Edit: I know that looks elitist. I've supported win for years for work. I just don't use it personally and wouldn't.


I think you miss the point - You cannot use a operating system that the government does not have a backdoor to. Not using windows makes no difference.

I remember in Australia the reason the mobile phone introduction was delayed was because the government could not monitor it at the time.


Not sure I made any point like that and I don't agree with it anyway. Unless there are backdoors to every encryption method... It's why countries like the UK have key escrow laws. Be vigilant not paranoid.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Bobby. on Sep 21st, 2019 at 9:57pm

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 9:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 7:52pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
There is a rumor that since Win95 - a long time ago that Bill Gates was forced
to hand over the source code of all the Windows operating systems to the the NSA who then passed it on all around the world.

This means that a State actor can send you a fake Windows update
that includes a key logger that sends all your keystrokes
to the Govt. so that any password is recorded.
Also, any file can be read on your hard disk remotely
and sent out by a temporarily open port.

You have no privacy - and  you haven't since 1995.

Windows is wide open to Govt. agencies & possible many criminal actors.


Ummmm. I don't do windows. I had win 3.0 on a pc I bought. Then 3.1 upgrade but everything was DOS then anyway. I moved to OS/2 then to Linux. I haven't done windows since 1993.

Edit: I know that looks elitist. I've supported win for years for work. I just don't use it personally and wouldn't.


I think you miss the point - You cannot use a operating system that the government does not have a backdoor to. Not using windows makes no difference.

I remember in Australia the reason the mobile phone introduction was delayed was because the government could not monitor it at the time.


Not sure I made any point like that and I don't agree with it anyway. Unless there are backdoors to every encryption method... It's why countries like the UK have key escrow laws. Be vigilant not paranoid.



Hi Set,
All the internet banking uses high level encryption.
What's to stop the security services such as ASIO or the NSA demanding the keys
and forcing the banks to hand them over and also
forcing the Banks to not tell us about it?

Well - I read at one time Snowden's comments, that it's exactly what happened.

Bill Gates was also forced to hand over all of Windows source code since 1995.

We don't have any real privacy.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 21st, 2019 at 10:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 9:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 9:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 7:52pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
There is a rumor that since Win95 - a long time ago that Bill Gates was forced
to hand over the source code of all the Windows operating systems to the the NSA who then passed it on all around the world.

This means that a State actor can send you a fake Windows update
that includes a key logger that sends all your keystrokes
to the Govt. so that any password is recorded.
Also, any file can be read on your hard disk remotely
and sent out by a temporarily open port.

You have no privacy - and  you haven't since 1995.

Windows is wide open to Govt. agencies & possible many criminal actors.


Ummmm. I don't do windows. I had win 3.0 on a pc I bought. Then 3.1 upgrade but everything was DOS then anyway. I moved to OS/2 then to Linux. I haven't done windows since 1993.

Edit: I know that looks elitist. I've supported win for years for work. I just don't use it personally and wouldn't.


I think you miss the point - You cannot use a operating system that the government does not have a backdoor to. Not using windows makes no difference.

I remember in Australia the reason the mobile phone introduction was delayed was because the government could not monitor it at the time.


Not sure I made any point like that and I don't agree with it anyway. Unless there are backdoors to every encryption method... It's why countries like the UK have key escrow laws. Be vigilant not paranoid.



Hi Set,
All the internet banking uses high level encryption.
What's to stop the security services such as ASIO or the NSA demanding the keys
and forcing the banks to hand them over and also
forcing the Banks to not tell us about it?

Well - I read at one time Snowden's comments, that it's exactly what happened.

Bill Gates was also forced to hand over all of Windows source code since 1995.

We don't have any real privacy.


If you consider it a fait accompli there is nothing more to be said. There is a reason people build encryption software. The source code is open. For your nightmare to be real everyone is in the govt's pocket. I know that is not the case. There was a time that encryption code was not allowed to be exported from the US. It was classed as a weapon I think but not all enc was made in the US. Times have changed. There is a reason Govts want to be able to muscle you for keys.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute-force_attack
See Theoretical limits.


Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Bobby. on Sep 21st, 2019 at 10:15pm

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 10:07pm:
If you consider it a fait accompli there is nothing more to be said. There is a reason people build encryption software. The source code is open. For your nightmare to be real everyone is in the govt's pocket. I know that is not the case. There was a time that encryption code was not allowed to be exported from the US. It was classed as a weapon I think but not all enc was made in the US. Times have changed. There is a reason Govts want to be able to muscle you for keys.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute-force_attack
See Theoretical limits.




Hi Set,
I know about encryption.
It would take much longer than the age of the universe to break some high level encryption.
That's why Govts. force institutions to hand over the keys for the prime
numbers that factor the key.
Snowden revealed it all.

Also - if there's a backdoor on any computer device -
they have access to the message before it's encrypted.


Quantum computers - if they ever build a large one - will be able to crack
prime number encryption with ease in only a few seconds.
I doubt that any such computer large enough has been made yet
but who's going to tell everyone if there is?

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 21st, 2019 at 10:33pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 10:15pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 10:07pm:
If you consider it a fait accompli there is nothing more to be said. There is a reason people build encryption software. The source code is open. For your nightmare to be real everyone is in the govt's pocket. I know that is not the case. There was a time that encryption code was not allowed to be exported from the US. It was classed as a weapon I think but not all enc was made in the US. Times have changed. There is a reason Govts want to be able to muscle you for keys.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute-force_attack
See Theoretical limits.




Hi Set,
I know about encryption.
It would take much longer than the age of the universe to break some high level encryption.
That's why Govts. force institutions to hand over the keys for the prime
numbers that factor the key.
Snowden revealed it all.

Also - if there's a backdoor on any computer device -
they have access to the message before it's encrypted.


Quantum computers - if they ever build a large one - will be able to crack
prime number encryption with ease in only a few seconds.
I doubt that any such computer large enough has been made yet
but who's going to tell everyone if there is?


Why worry then? People are creative beings. For every govt and it's resources there are thousands working in your favour. It's a war of intellect and many take up the challenge. Not my thing anymore but I've broken a few in days of yor. Who would have thunk I could break QEMM(Quarterdeck) encryption back in the day. I did, my hobby was breaking things like that. I have an old and fading book full of shyte like that. That was simple stuff, XOR with keys and not like today's encryption. As long as you can hold out against govt torture, your data is probably safe if you use opensource encryption.

I should take some pics of it even though I have no idea now what was scribbled then.

Edit: I do know, just that the memory addresses are meaningless now. It just looks like a bunch of hex and memory addresses.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Bobby. on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:13pm

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 10:33pm:
Why worry then? People are creative beings. For every govt and it's resources there are thousands working in your favour. It's a war of intellect and many take up the challenge. Not my thing anymore but I've broken a few in days of yor. Who would have thunk I could break QEMM(Quarterdeck) encryption back in the day. I did, my hobby was breaking things like that. I have an old and fading book full of shyte like that. That was simple stuff, XOR with keys and not like today's encryption. As long as you can hold out against govt torture, your data is probably safe if you use opensource encryption.

I should take some pics of it even though I have no idea now what was scribbled then.

Edit: I do know, just that the memory addresses are meaningless now. It just looks like a bunch of hex and memory addresses.



Hi Set,
I'm not worried,
I'm not doing anything wrong.
I just get annoyed at the lack of privacy.
Can't the Govt. be satisfied that they might not know everything?
It seems that we live in an Orwellian society.
Because there are some bad people then everyone must lose their privacy for the good of all.  :-?

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 10:33pm:
Why worry then? People are creative beings. For every govt and it's resources there are thousands working in your favour. It's a war of intellect and many take up the challenge. Not my thing anymore but I've broken a few in days of yor. Who would have thunk I could break QEMM(Quarterdeck) encryption back in the day. I did, my hobby was breaking things like that. I have an old and fading book full of shyte like that. That was simple stuff, XOR with keys and not like today's encryption. As long as you can hold out against govt torture, your data is probably safe if you use opensource encryption.

I should take some pics of it even though I have no idea now what was scribbled then.

Edit: I do know, just that the memory addresses are meaningless now. It just looks like a bunch of hex and memory addresses.



Hi Set,
I'm not worried,
I'm not doing anything wrong.
I just get annoyed at the lack of privacy.
Can't the Govt. be satisfied that they might not know everything?
It seems that we live in an Orwellian society.
Because there are some bad people then everyone must lose their privacy for the good of all.  :-?


I'm not fond of the "think of the children" excuse. Fuck the children.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Bobby. on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:20pm

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 10:33pm:
Why worry then? People are creative beings. For every govt and it's resources there are thousands working in your favour. It's a war of intellect and many take up the challenge. Not my thing anymore but I've broken a few in days of yor. Who would have thunk I could break QEMM(Quarterdeck) encryption back in the day. I did, my hobby was breaking things like that. I have an old and fading book full of shyte like that. That was simple stuff, XOR with keys and not like today's encryption. As long as you can hold out against govt torture, your data is probably safe if you use opensource encryption.

I should take some pics of it even though I have no idea now what was scribbled then.

Edit: I do know, just that the memory addresses are meaningless now. It just looks like a bunch of hex and memory addresses.



Hi Set,
I'm not worried,
I'm not doing anything wrong.
I just get annoyed at the lack of privacy.
Can't the Govt. be satisfied that they might not know everything?
It seems that we live in an Orwellian society.
Because there are some bad people then everyone must lose their privacy for the good of all.  :-?


I'm not fond of the "think of the children" excuse. Fuck the children.



LOLO - what about WhatsApp?
a supposed encrypted system that could not be broken:
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/new-vulnerability-detected-whatsapp-allowing-hackers-manipulate-messages-106980


WhatsApp has been fighting with governments and law enforcement agencies that its messaging service is encrypted end-to-end and there is no way it can be intercepted or broken into. An Israeli cybersecurity firm has smashed this claim by demonstrating that not only can they intercept and decrypt a WhatsApp message but they can change the sender’s identity as well.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Setanta on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 10:33pm:
Why worry then? People are creative beings. For every govt and it's resources there are thousands working in your favour. It's a war of intellect and many take up the challenge. Not my thing anymore but I've broken a few in days of yor. Who would have thunk I could break QEMM(Quarterdeck) encryption back in the day. I did, my hobby was breaking things like that. I have an old and fading book full of shyte like that. That was simple stuff, XOR with keys and not like today's encryption. As long as you can hold out against govt torture, your data is probably safe if you use opensource encryption.

I should take some pics of it even though I have no idea now what was scribbled then.

Edit: I do know, just that the memory addresses are meaningless now. It just looks like a bunch of hex and memory addresses.



Hi Set,
I'm not worried,
I'm not doing anything wrong.
I just get annoyed at the lack of privacy.
Can't the Govt. be satisfied that they might not know everything?
It seems that we live in an Orwellian society.
Because there are some bad people then everyone must lose their privacy for the good of all.  :-?


I'm not fond of the "think of the children" excuse. Fuck the children.



LOLO - what about WhatsApp?
a supposed encrypted system that could not be broken:
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/new-vulnerability-detected-whatsapp-allowing-hackers-manipulate-messages-106980


WhatsApp has been fighting with governments and law enforcement agencies that its messaging service is encrypted end-to-end and there is no way it can be intercepted or broken into. An Israeli cybersecurity firm has smashed this claim by demonstrating that not only can they intercept and decrypt a WhatsApp message but they can change the sender’s identity as well.


See what I'm saying? "there are thousands working in your favour". People love trying to break shite. This makes things better.

You know, if windows had back doors like you say the NSA would not need tools. They do and they have been leaked and used nefariously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow_Brokers
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/05/stolen-nsa-hacking-tools-were-used-in-the-wild-14-months-before-shadow-brokers-leak/
https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/28/hackers-nsa-eternalblue-exploit-hijack-computers/

Be vigilant, not paranoid.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by Bobby. on Sep 22nd, 2019 at 5:29am

Setanta wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:24pm:
See what I'm saying? "there are thousands working in your favour". People love trying to break shite. This makes things better.

You know, if windows had back doors like you say the NSA would not need tools. They do and they have been leaked and used nefariously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow_Brokers
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/05/stolen-nsa-hacking-tools-were-used-in-the-wild-14-months-before-shadow-brokers-leak/
https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/28/hackers-nsa-eternalblue-exploit-hijack-computers/

Be vigilant, not paranoid.



Those links tell a frightening story.
Windows and Linux are both vulnerable and have more holes then a sieve.

Title: Re: Password managers
Post by juliar on Sep 23rd, 2019 at 7:56am
If you really want to test your Windows 10 64bit operating system then visit the DARK WEB and chug around the onion sites there for a while and then sit back while the onslaught begins.

A VPN is a good idea as well.

Ubuntu LINUX is now nearly as good as Windows with free software and almost immunity to virus and spyware.

UBUNTU LINUX is a full blown free file server whereas Windows 10 is really a cut down file server.

Most Web Sites use a LINUX version with Apache.

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