Vegans at higher risk of disease and illness than meat eaters, who would have thought.
https://thewest.com.au/news/health/british-medical-journal-study-finds-vegetarians-vegans-may-face-higher-stroke-risk-ng-b881315503z

What they dont say is its not because they dont eat meat but because of all the poisonous crap they eat instead of meat because the media tells them they have to have a meat "substitute".

Spot

rhino wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 8:34pm:

Vegans at higher risk of disease and illness than meat eaters, who would have thought. https://thewest.com.au/news/health/british-medical-journal-study-finds-vegetarians-vegans-may-face-higher-stroke-risk-ng-b881315503z

I would of thought it reasonable that vegan activists suffer strokes ......

about 50 strokes of the rattan.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 7^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

What they dont say is its not because they dont eat meat but because of all the poisonous crap they eat instead of meat because the media tells them they have to have a meat "substitute". Spot

Source?

Gordon wrote on Sep 7^th, 2019 at 8:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 7th, 2019 at 7:27am: What they dont say is its not because they dont eat meat but because of all the poisonous crap they eat instead of meat because the media tells them they have to have a meat "substitute". Spot Source?

Common sense. They eat unprocessed soy among other things

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 7^th, 2019 at 9:14am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 7th, 2019 at 8:12am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 7th, 2019 at 7:27am: What they dont say is its not because they dont eat meat but because of all the poisonous crap they eat instead of meat because the media tells them they have to have a meat "substitute". Spot Source? Common sense. They eat unprocessed soy among other things Spot

Which is a poor reflection on veganism.
Eggs and dairy is such a great and healthy source of protein.

... especially if they take on Spanish rabbit farmers ....

Gordon wrote on Sep 7^th, 2019 at 9:36am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 7th, 2019 at 9:14am: Gordon wrote on Sep 7th, 2019 at 8:12am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 7th, 2019 at 7:27am: What they dont say is its not because they dont eat meat but because of all the poisonous crap they eat instead of meat because the media tells them they have to have a meat "substitute". Spot Source? Common sense. They eat unprocessed soy among other things Spot Which is a poor reflection on veganism. Eggs and dairy is such a great and healthy source of protein.

One of the ex's kids is a Vegan - we've tried the (stuff) they eat, and there is a basic rule - if it tastes bad, it's not good for you - that stuff tastes bad .... fortunately his daughters don't follow in their dad's footsteps ... they eat meat in front of him ...

Every vegan I meet seems really drawn in the face, skinny (boney), pale and they just don't look healthy.
Good luck to them.

I love tofu and eat it a few times a week and I also regularly eat chick peas, lentils which after a google I see are in the top 10 protein sources for vegans.

No 1 is Seitan which I've never heard of but is some manufactured crap made of wheat made to look like a meat loaf.

Dropping meat would be no drama for me if I keep eggs and dairy.

Tofu is usually safe although it's not as full of vitamins as you would think. It's the unprocessed stuff that's bad. The Asians turned it into Tofu and sit sauce for a reason.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 7^th, 2019 at 5:07pm:

Tofu is usually safe although it's not as full of vitamins as you would think. It's the unprocessed stuff that's bad. The Asians turned it into Tofu and sit sauce for a reason. Spot

It should be an accompaniment or occasional main.

Veganism isn't based on 'Unprocessed' rebellion.
As many 'vegetables and fruits' are processed (let alone 'sprayed', etc) foods as well as meat.

Besides Vegans verse Carnism, it will soon be 'Processed verse   Wild'.

Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 7^th, 2019 at 10:15am:

Every vegan I meet seems really drawn in the face, skinny (boney), pale and they just don't look healthy. Good luck to them.

Not to mention their mental state...

Gordon wrote on Sep 7^th, 2019 at 4:26pm:

I love tofu and eat it a few times a week and I also regularly eat chick peas, lentils which after a google I see are in the top 10 protein sources for vegans. No 1 is Seitan which I've never heard of but is some manufactured crap made of wheat made to look like a meat loaf. Dropping meat would be no drama for me if I keep eggs and dairy.

**yum** chick peas... the French call them 'poor peas' ... no idea why... maybe because they are a favourite with the pieds noirs...

Wow - just read a book about Arnhem (again - thanks Brian) post the battle and with the German revenge on the Dutch... apparently some girls who survived on tulip bulbs (yuk) instead of wheat were better off - but when they were fed 'Kelviinators from the sky' Yank white bread they developed coeliac ... many died....

No wonder the Dutch don't love the Germans... no wonder many Dutch emigrated ... The Lucky country has no internal wars... yet ...

This reminds you of the reality shown in Band of Brothers, where the concentration camp inmates could not be fed too much or too good food.. bring them on slowly .. too much of a shock to the system.

You need to bring them on slowly with increasing amounts of an increasingly rich soup, then stew ... keep the hydration up and slowly introduce vitamins and minerals and such ...

Damn I hate to see starving children...

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 7^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

What they dont say is its not because they dont eat meat but because of all the poisonous crap they eat instead of meat because the media tells them they have to have a meat "substitute". Spot

Very few of the vegetarians and vegans i know eat fake meat products. They're pretty universally looked down upon. I reckon they're only bought by confused relatives hosting a vego or veegs to dinner or a BBQ.

But you're right about soy. Interestingly, it may not just be the overprocessed crap we get (and it's in everything, not just fake meat, seriously people, check your ingredients), it's that Asians seem to have developed specific enzymes to process soy than isn't lurking in the guts of your random person of other than Asian descent.

But as to this study, my money's on B12. Were it cholesterol as also hypothesised, we;d not see the significant reduction in heart disease in vegos and veegs.

So that mushrooms and Vegemite on the shopping list for those looking.

I've met a woman who lives on nothing at all - the odd cup of herbal tea or fruit juice, but rarely. She's a Kriya Yoga nun from Germany, a former doctor.

I've met people she's stayed with who watched her closely for a few weeks. They confirmed it. Without food, she literally burns with a sort of vibrant.and compassionate intelligence. When Yeheshua said, man does not live alone but by the very word of God, it would seem He meant it literally.

This nun lives on divine energy. She doesnt advertise it, she'd probably deny it. I've rarely heard her speak at all. She spends her entire day working too - she has a happy determination about her. She has a radiance I've never seen in others.

Of all the spiritual powers one might receive, I doubt the ability to live without food is one anyone would really want. Telepathy, levitation, X ray vision, sure. But giving up food and drink? Why?

Don't try it at home, leftards, but know that you can indeed transcend physical rules once you learn new ones.

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 3:47am:

I've met a woman who lives on nothing at all - the odd cup of herbal tea or fruit juice, but rarely. She's a Kriya Yoga nun from Germany, a former doctor. I've met people she's stayed with who watched her closely for a few weeks. They confirmed it. Without food, she literally burns with a sort of vibrant.and compassionate intelligence. When Yeheshua said, man does not live alone but by the very word of God, it would seem He meant it literally. This nun lives on divine energy. She doesnt advertise it, she'd probably deny it. I've rarely heard her speak at all. She spends her entire day working too - she has a happy determination about her. She has a radiance I've never seen in others. Of all the spiritual powers one might receive, I doubt the ability to live without food is one anyone would really want. Telepathy, levitation, X ray vision, sure. But giving up food and drink? Why? Don't try it at home, leftards, but know that you can indeed transcend physical rules once you learn new ones.

Gordy and Setanta were just mocking this in another thread.

No doubt they'll think she thinks she's superior to them and put her in her place. They're touchy about that.

mothra wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 3:52am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 3:47am: I've met a woman who lives on nothing at all - the odd cup of herbal tea or fruit juice, but rarely. She's a Kriya Yoga nun from Germany, a former doctor. I've met people she's stayed with who watched her closely for a few weeks. They confirmed it. Without food, she literally burns with a sort of vibrant.and compassionate intelligence. When Yeheshua said, man does not live alone but by the very word of God, it would seem He meant it literally. This nun lives on divine energy. She doesnt advertise it, she'd probably deny it. I've rarely heard her speak at all. She spends her entire day working too - she has a happy determination about her. She has a radiance I've never seen in others. Of all the spiritual powers one might receive, I doubt the ability to live without food is one anyone would really want. Telepathy, levitation, X ray vision, sure. But giving up food and drink? Why? Don't try it at home, leftards, but know that you can indeed transcend physical rules once you learn new ones. Gordy and Setanta were just mocking this in another thread. No doubt they'll think she thinks she's superior to them and put her in her place. They're touchy about that.

We all start off that way, Mothra, but once we progress we come to realise no one's superior to anyone else, not even the tinted races.

Atoms, cells, animals, humans, we're all superior because we have the life force. Sometimes you meet people who seem genuinely curious, who really want to spend time with someone else who's actually alive.

It's hard, I know. You have to humour them and get back to your internet or whatever. They may even be your children. But apparently, that time spent is never wasted.

That's what they tell me, anyway.

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 6:59am:

mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 3:52am: Karnal wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 3:47am: I've met a woman who lives on nothing at all - the odd cup of herbal tea or fruit juice, but rarely. She's a Kriya Yoga nun from Germany, a former doctor. I've met people she's stayed with who watched her closely for a few weeks. They confirmed it. Without food, she literally burns with a sort of vibrant.and compassionate intelligence. When Yeheshua said, man does not live alone but by the very word of God, it would seem He meant it literally. This nun lives on divine energy. She doesnt advertise it, she'd probably deny it. I've rarely heard her speak at all. She spends her entire day working too - she has a happy determination about her. She has a radiance I've never seen in others. Of all the spiritual powers one might receive, I doubt the ability to live without food is one anyone would really want. Telepathy, levitation, X ray vision, sure. But giving up food and drink? Why? Don't try it at home, leftards, but know that you can indeed transcend physical rules once you learn new ones. Gordy and Setanta were just mocking this in another thread. No doubt they'll think she thinks she's superior to them and put her in her place. They're touchy about that. We all start off that way, Mothra, but once we progress we come to realise no one's superior to anyone else, not even the tinted races. Atoms, cells, animals, humans, we're all superior because we have the life force. Sometimes you meet people who seem genuinely curious, who really want to spend time with someone else who's actually alive. It's hard, I know. You have to humour them and get back to your internet or whatever. They may even be your children. But apparently, that time spent is never wasted. That's what they tell me, anyway.

Whilst I am with you on the bemusement over claims of superiority, I'm afraid you leave me quite cold on the esoteric concept of time management.

Perhaps I have still much to learn but I remain guarded about where I spend my energy.

And if the internet has taught me anything, it has taught me that. FD's hosting a stunning example.

Adaption, innit.

Should newborn babies and children be raised as airitarians?

Gordon wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 7:55am:

Should newborn babies and children be raised as airitarians?

Why do you think that woman's choices mean anything at all for anyone else?

mothra wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 7:59am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:55am: Should newborn babies and children be raised as airitarians? Why do you think that woman's choices mean anything at all for anyone else?

Because like all who make her claim she's a fraud. A bit like you.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/breatharians/

Gordon wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:01am:

mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:59am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:55am: Should newborn babies and children be raised as airitarians? Why do you think that woman's choices mean anything at all for anyone else? Because like all who make her claim she's a fraud. A bit like you. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/breatharians/

Do you feel better about yourself now?

mothra wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:04am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:01am: mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:59am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:55am: Should newborn babies and children be raised as airitarians? Why do you think that woman's choices mean anything at all for anyone else? Because like all who make her claim she's a fraud. A bit like you. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/breatharians/ Do you feel better about yourself now?

Yes because is Sunday and I'm having bacon for breakfast which is way more nutritious than cosmic energy  ;D  ;D  ;D

Gordon wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:06am:

mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:04am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:01am: mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:59am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:55am: Should newborn babies and children be raised as airitarians? Why do you think that woman's choices mean anything at all for anyone else? Because like all who make her claim she's a fraud. A bit like you. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/breatharians/ Do you feel better about yourself now? Yes because is Sunday and I'm having bacon for breakfast which is way more nutritious than cosmic energy  ;D  ;D  ;D

Enjoy. See if you can find a place in your heart to accept others for their difference. Then you can say it was a great breakfast and you'll have learned a wonderful parenting skill in the process.

Do the world a favor moths and become a strict Breatharian.

Gordon wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:18am:

Do the world a favor moths and become a strict Breatharian.

Such animosity. So telling.

mothra wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:22am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:18am: Do the world a favor moths and become a strict Breatharian. Such animosity. So telling.

Well you've bought into Karnals nonsense of Breatharianism so there is no animosity as you will thrive off cosmic energy.

https://media.giphy.com/media/LWKSSrL0osNdS/giphy.gif

Gordon wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:29am:

mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:22am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:18am: Do the world a favor moths and become a strict Breatharian. Such animosity. So telling. Well you've bought into Karnals nonsense of Breatharianism so there is no animosity as you will thrive off cosmic energy.

Have I? I don't recall doing so. I certainly know there are things on this wondrous planet that defy my understanding. My impulse is not to ridicule.

Yours is.

I think we are after different rewards.

Gordon wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:29am:

mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:22am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:18am: Do the world a favor moths and become a strict Breatharian. Such animosity. So telling. Well you've bought into Karnals nonsense of Breatharianism so there is no animosity as you will thrive off cosmic energy.

Have I? I don't recall doing so. I certainly know there are things on this wondrous planet that defy my understanding. My impulse is not to ridicule.

Yours is.

I think we are after different rewards.

Breatharianis should be ridiculed because they are frauds and liars.

Gordon wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Breatharianis should be ridiculed because they are frauds and liars.

Yes. You think all sorts of people should be ridiculed. You take your kid out ridiculing.

It's what you do.

And we don't do much without a payoff.

is gordie looking for another scratch on the belly?

Aia,you're wanted.

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:43am:

Aia,you're wanted.

John, you have confused me with that random man in the bushes whose cock you love to ride.

flip

Gordon wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Breatharianis should be ridiculed because they are frauds and liars.

I had never heard of such a thing until this thread..

people claim all sorts of things gordy.as long as they are not selling it  who cares.?...

if this was valid  I think we would have heard more on the subject..especially as obesity is a major problem today.....I

am always suss when a couple are involved..I dont know why that is... ::) ::)

AiA wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:50am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:43am: Aia,you're wanted. John, you have confused me with that random man in the bushes whose cock you love to ride.

impossible! Everyone knows you have no cock.

cods wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:53am:

I had never heard of such a thing until this thread..

We all suspected your education was inadequate. Now we know.

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:59am:

AiA wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:50am: John Smith wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:43am: Aia,you're wanted. John, you have confused me with that random man in the bushes whose cock you love to ride. impossible! Everyone knows you have no cock.

That is actually a good comeback :)

AiA wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 9:02am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:59am: AiA wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:50am: John Smith wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:43am: Aia,you're wanted. John, you have confused me with that random man in the bushes whose cock you love to ride. impossible! Everyone knows you have no cock. That is actually a good comeback :)

According to bobby, it's also true.

This thread was locked and as I see no reason for it to locked, now unlocked. If another mod locks this again, please leave a reason and a post.

Setanta wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 9:10pm:

This thread was locked and as I see no reason for it to locked, now unlocked. If another mod locks this again, please leave a reason and a post.

Oh!!!!!

Maybe it was FD who locked it?

Aussie wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 9:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 9:10pm: This thread was locked and as I see no reason for it to locked, now unlocked. If another mod locks this again, please leave a reason and a post. Oh!!!!! Maybe it was FD who locked it?

Maybe, he should have said so. Perhaps he's a breatharian and doesn't like fish as much as he makes out.

Setanta wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 9:10pm:

This thread was locked and as I see no reason for it to locked, now unlocked. If another mod locks this again, please leave a reason and a post.

I assumed the thread was a vegan, and had a stroke.

flip

mothra wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 8:35am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:29am: mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:22am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:18am: Do the world a favor moths and become a strict Breatharian. Such animosity. So telling. Well you've bought into Karnals nonsense of Breatharianism so there is no animosity as you will thrive off cosmic energy. Have I? I don't recall doing so. I certainly know there are things on this wondrous planet that defy my understanding. My impulse is not to ridicule. Yours is. I think we are after different rewards.

My impulse is to be curious. I never accept claims without a bit of investigation or consideration.

Gordon is a containerist. He looks at the package things come in and says ah.

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:35am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:29am: mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:22am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:18am: Do the world a favor moths and become a strict Breatharian. Such animosity. So telling. Well you've bought into Karnals nonsense of Breatharianism so there is no animosity as you will thrive off cosmic energy. Have I? I don't recall doing so. I certainly know there are things on this wondrous planet that defy my understanding. My impulse is not to ridicule. Yours is. I think we are after different rewards. My impulse is to be curious. I never accept claims without a bit of investigation or consideration. Gordon is a containerist. He looks at the package things come in and says ah.

Karnel believes in woowoo  ;D ;D ;D

Gordon wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 9:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 9:25pm: mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:35am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:29am: mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:22am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:18am: Do the world a favor moths and become a strict Breatharian. Such animosity. So telling. Well you've bought into Karnals nonsense of Breatharianism so there is no animosity as you will thrive off cosmic energy. Have I? I don't recall doing so. I certainly know there are things on this wondrous planet that defy my understanding. My impulse is not to ridicule. Yours is. I think we are after different rewards. My impulse is to be curious. I never accept claims without a bit of investigation or consideration. Gordon is a containerist. He looks at the package things come in and says ah. Karnel believes in woowoo  ;D ;D ;D

Or is it poopoo?

Miam Miam.

John Smith wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 9:04am:

AiA wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 9:02am: John Smith wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:59am: AiA wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:50am: John Smith wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:43am: Aia,you're wanted. John, you have confused me with that random man in the bushes whose cock you love to ride. impossible! Everyone knows you have no cock. That is actually a good comeback :) According to bobby, it's also true.

According to bobby,  you really know how to relax your jaw and ease up your gag reflex, John.

flip

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 3:47am:

I've met a woman who lives on nothing at all - the odd cup of herbal tea or fruit juice, but rarely. She's a Kriya Yoga nun from Germany, a former doctor. I've met people she's stayed with who watched her closely for a few weeks. They confirmed it. Without food, she literally burns with a sort of vibrant.and compassionate intelligence. When Yeheshua said, man does not live alone but by the very word of God, it would seem He meant it literally. This nun lives on divine energy. She doesnt advertise it, she'd probably deny it. I've rarely heard her speak at all. She spends her entire day working too - she has a happy determination about her. She has a radiance I've never seen in others. Of all the spiritual powers one might receive, I doubt the ability to live without food is one anyone would really want. Telepathy, levitation, X ray vision, sure. But giving up food and drink? Why? Don't try it at home, leftards, but know that you can indeed transcend physical rules once you learn new ones.

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 6:59am:

We all start off that way, Mothra, but once we progress we come to realise no one's superior to anyone else, not even the tinted races. Atoms, cells, animals, humans, we're all superior because we have the life force. Sometimes you meet people who seem genuinely curious, who really want to spend time with someone else who's actually alive. It's hard, I know. You have to humour them and get back to your internet or whatever. They may even be your children. But apparently, that time spent is never wasted. That's what they tell me, anyway.

Karnal - on the higher path ?





WWW search.....
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Survival into the 21st Century: Planetary Healers Manual https://www.amazon.com/Survival-into-21st-Century-Planetary/dp/0933278047 Survival into the 21st Century: Planetary Healers Manual Viktoras Kulvinskas, Jean White, Dick Gregory Viktoras' pioneering work is considered by many as a New Age Bible in the holistic and health field. Although written 27 years ago

written 27 years ago ?

I've got a couple of copies dated 1975.





Watch out you don't trip over, stepping upon all of that slippery blood under your feet, K.


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Gordon wrote on Sep 8^th, 2019 at 9:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 9:25pm: mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:35am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:29am: mothra wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:22am: Gordon wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:18am: Do the world a favor moths and become a strict Breatharian. Such animosity. So telling. Well you've bought into Karnals nonsense of Breatharianism so there is no animosity as you will thrive off cosmic energy. Have I? I don't recall doing so. I certainly know there are things on this wondrous planet that defy my understanding. My impulse is not to ridicule. Yours is. I think we are after different rewards. My impulse is to be curious. I never accept claims without a bit of investigation or consideration. Gordon is a containerist. He looks at the package things come in and says ah. Karnel believes in woowoo  ;D ;D ;D

Gordon believes in an outer layer of pigmentation.

Superior container, innit. Inferior subfaeces.

Miam miam.