'NO YELLING, SHOUTING, PROTESTING': SHELL WORKERS CAPTIVE AUDIENCE DURING TRUMP VISIT

https://www.newsweek.com/shell-pennsylvania-trump-union-ethylene-1454858

Workers at Shell's new $6 billion plant 'were told they wouldn't get PAID if they didn't attend a Trump speech' and 'were ordered not to protest during the event'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7366867/Shell-employees-told-wouldnt-PAID-didnt-attend-Trump-speech.html

Workers at Trump speech told they had to use time off or receive no pay if they didn’t attend

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/workers-at-trump-speech-told-they-had-to-use-time-off-or-receive-no-pay-if-they-didnt-attend

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........   Jeff, Indy, United States, less than a minute ago Fake news. My son works there.       ...........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7366867/Shell-employees-told-wouldnt-PAID-didnt-attend-Trump-speech.html

Is this the Shell plant Trump took credit for, even though the deal was done under the Obama Administration?

Fake News.  ::)

American Energy workers love Trump - Obama was shutting the industry down but now under Trump they are energy independent and are also exporting energy  :)

SerialBrain9 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 8:38am:

Fake News.  ::) American Energy workers love Trump - Obama was shutting the industry down but now under Trump they are energy independent and are also exporting energy  :)

It isn't fake news Maganic.

In the land of the free where private competition is everything what in dogs name is the government doing building multi billion dollar refineries for a private company? This is a place where the government don't believe in doing anything for their own people, they hate welfare but happily provide billions in wealthfare.

SerialBrain9 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 8:38am:

Fake News.  ::)

Really..?

Again with the bullshit.

Not only is it not fake news but the workers were paid to attend as confirmed by a Shell spokesperson and the community of the 17th district of Pennsylvania after voting for Trump in 2016 by over 18 points were betrayed by him when the promised tax cuts failed to materialize and voted for Democrat Conor Lamb in the midterms.

Unlike you, they saw through Trump's bullshit and aren't having a bar of him anymore, especially after this latest lie.

So we're happy to attack Biden when he confuses dates for shootings when he was Vice President and when he wasn't, but we're ok with Trump "confusing dates" for something that was approved before he was even in politics with something he claims to be directly responsible for?

Seems like Trump is getting senile in his old age.

[Insert attacks against Biden but with Trump's name inserted instead here]

AiA wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 8:38am: Fake News.  ::) American Energy workers love Trump - Obama was shutting the industry down but now under Trump they are energy independent and are also exporting energy  :) It isn't fake news Maganic.

Yes it is very much fake news, to the right news that they don't like is universally defined as fake news. In fact the more true it is the more fake it is classified.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 9:31am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 8:38am: Fake News.  ::) Really..? Again with the bullshit. Not only is it not fake news but the workers were paid to attend as confirmed by a Shell spokesperson and the community of the 17th district of Pennsylvania after voting for Trump in 2016 by over 18 points were betrayed by him when the promised tax cuts failed to materialize and voted for Democrat Conor Lamb in the midterms. Unlike you, they saw through Trump's bullshit and aren't having a bar of him anymore, especially after this latest lie. So we're happy to attack Biden when he confuses dates for shootings when he was Vice President and when he wasn't, but we're ok with Trump "confusing dates" for something that was approved before he was even in politics with something he claims to be directly responsible for? Seems like Trump is getting senile in his old age. [Insert attacks against Biden but with Trump's name inserted instead here]

Seems like Trump is getting senile in his old age.


No it is just that he lies a lot.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 9:34am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 9:31am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 8:38am: Fake News.  ::) Really..? Again with the bullshit. Not only is it not fake news but the workers were paid to attend as confirmed by a Shell spokesperson and the community of the 17th district of Pennsylvania after voting for Trump in 2016 by over 18 points were betrayed by him when the promised tax cuts failed to materialize and voted for Democrat Conor Lamb in the midterms. Unlike you, they saw through Trump's bullshit and aren't having a bar of him anymore, especially after this latest lie. So we're happy to attack Biden when he confuses dates for shootings when he was Vice President and when he wasn't, but we're ok with Trump "confusing dates" for something that was approved before he was even in politics with something he claims to be directly responsible for? Seems like Trump is getting senile in his old age. [Insert attacks against Biden but with Trump's name inserted instead here] Seems like Trump is getting senile in his old age. No it is just that he lies a lot.

Of course, I know that, just trying to highlight the usual hypocrisy where the right will attack their opponents but then not hold Trump to anything close to the level they demand of the left.

That said, there is no doubt Trump has been showing an accelerated mental decline over the past 2 years.

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Shell Employees Forced to Go to Trump Rally

What a despicable thing to do.

Guess they found out that nobody would go otherwise. It was force the employees to turn up or issue high viz jackets to Crickets.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 12:10pm:

Quote: Shell Employees Forced to Go to Trump Rally What a despicable thing to do. Guess they found out that nobody would go otherwise. It was force the employees to turn up or issue high viz jackets to Crickets.

There is a little more to the story.  Nobody was forced to go, but, given they were considering the day a "training day" and Trump considered a guest speaker, those who went and signed in with their ID would have been paid to attend.

If you wanted the full day's pay including accruing the full overtime benefits, you had to attend.  Anyone who didn't want to attend would have to take an excused, but non-paid, absence.

Those who were in attendance were forbidden from protesting, however.

So if you wanted a full days pay, you were forced to attend.

Different, an important distinction, especially in a district that voted heavily against Trump in the mid-terms compared to the 2016 election but still an instance of a crowd needing to be paid to attend a Trump rally.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 7:42am:

Quote: ........   Jeff, Indy, United States, less than a minute ago Fake news. My son works there.       ........... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7366867/Shell-employees-told-wouldnt-PAID-didnt-attend-Trump-speech.html

The paper stands by it's reporting and nobody has denied it....Why would anyone not accept that Shell would support an anti environment President who is allowing them to destroy the Planet....Everything about Trump is fake and orchestrated....Why would this be any different???


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Bilbogrand, Boston, United States, 3 hours ago Its true. My father works there.

::) ::) ::)

These were not Shell plant workers.  They were construction workers who have nothing to do with the Shell Plant employee practices. The plant isn't even finished yet!

The job site was shut down for the day and the Construction firm was actually being pretty generous to the workers by not just sending them home for the day.

I don't like Trump either, but you could at least try to find out the facts instead of running BS posts.

the average chode should give up a months salary to go and absorb the vibe of an inspirational superman

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

the average chode should give up a months salary to go and absorb the vibe of an inspirational superman

I would go if it payed a few thousand dollars and I could wear a mask.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 1:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 12:10pm: Quote: Shell Employees Forced to Go to Trump Rally What a despicable thing to do. Guess they found out that nobody would go otherwise. It was force the employees to turn up or issue high viz jackets to Crickets. There is a little more to the story.  Nobody was forced to go, but, given they were considering the day a "training day" and Trump considered a guest speaker, those who went and signed in with their ID would have been paid to attend. If you wanted the full day's pay including accruing the full overtime benefits, you had to attend.  Anyone who didn't want to attend would have to take an excused, but non-paid, absence. Those who were in attendance were forbidden from protesting, however. So if you wanted a full days pay, you were forced to attend. Different, an important distinction, especially in a district that voted heavily against Trump in the mid-terms compared to the 2016 election but still an instance of a crowd needing to be paid to attend a Trump rally.

Anyone who didn't want to attend would have to take an excused, but non-paid, absence.


On the face of it yes but often the reality is that the management team will consider these people do not fit the company's culture and will be on the skids on the way out the door. Many who attended will have been aware that the reality is that they had no option if they wanted to keep their job.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 7:33pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 7:22pm: the average chode should give up a months salary to go and absorb the vibe of an inspirational superman I would go if it payed a few thousand dollars and I could wear a mask.

in all seriousness, chodes need to "get around success".

the average chode should find a rich successful happy person and offer to take them out for the most expensive steak and then just try to study their energy.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 7:33pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 7:22pm: the average chode should give up a months salary to go and absorb the vibe of an inspirational superman I would go if it payed a few thousand dollars and I could wear a mask. in all seriousness, chodes need to "get around success". the average chode should find a rich successful happy person and offer to take them out for the most expensive steak and then just try to study their energy.

I could pay with the few thousand dollars from the Trump speech and would still need that mask.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

the average chode should give up a months salary to go and absorb the vibe of an inspirational superman

You mean an omega male lying and taking credit for the work of his predecessor?

Yes, a month's salary...

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A memo instructed workers at a Pennsylvania plant to show up at 7 a.m., scan their ID cards and stand for hours through lunch in order to watch a speech by President Trump.

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/17/752078503/pa-workers-forced-to-choose-between-watching-trump-no-pay-or-using-paid-time-off?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190817&fbclid=IwAR0lh-ksgCZy7XpM_WC_fNIr53vq3KLiciM50aUGr1t7NWSFJsdh7dNTlGk&fbclid=IwAR1cJ7H9shmbPY8gwT5EqCNVQVtLHakLpCjs3kpvkRcoPP19DTkxBSJ8Puo

Dnarever wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 7:38pm:

Anyone who didn't want to attend would have to take an excused, but non-paid, absence. On the face of it yes but often the reality is that the management team will consider these people do not fit the company's culture and will be on the skids on the way out the door. Many who attended will have been aware that the reality is that they had no option if they wanted to keep their job.

“Your attendance is not mandatory,” one manager told workers,  summarizing a memo that Shell sent to union leaders, the Post-Gazette  reported, but only those who showed up at 7 a.m., scanned their ID cards and prepared to stand for hours through lunch would be paid.

“No scan, no pay,” workers were warned.

So much for that Murican: “FreedDumb of choice”

Reeks more of a union local with no smacking balls at all full of management’s cucks.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2019 at 9:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 7:22pm: the average chode should give up a months salary to go and absorb the vibe of an inspirational superman You mean an omega male lying and taking credit for the work of his predecessor? Yes, a month's salary...

you have to get back in touch with reality.
he's in the oval office.
its just cognitive dissonance to say he is an omega , by the definition of the political hierachy itself .

the dude is at the top of the dominance hierachy.

i could go to the CEO of macdonalds corporation and tell him my wife can cook a better meal and he's just a fraud.

doesnt matter.

the USA is a market driven society.
"the customer is always right".
the customer votes for big macs and big donald.

they are at the pinnacle.

now you can get mad at the american public and call them dumb and ignorant and fat and unhealthy.

but it may be better to try to build rapport and show them a better way.

but that requires a lot of work, a lot of discipline, a lot of effort, a lot of emotional mastery.


and the left just cant do it  :D :D :D
i think thats the key observation here.

the laziness of the left who just find it easier to throw their toys out of the pram and have a tantrum.

and THATS what makes THEM at the bottom of the hierachy

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 5:39am:

but that requires a lot of work, a lot of discipline, a lot of effort, a lot of emotional mastery.

True. But there is an alternative way and he is in the White House: inherit it all from a father who cheated the government to make a fortune. Trump isn't a self-made man. He isn't a successful businessman. He is a B-level celebrity but not one of the Ronald Reagan variety who entered politics and made a life for himself. No, he is closer to Howard Hughes than anyone, a man who inherited everything he had and thus started out at the top.

Could be the case aia

It's obvious that enormous numbers of people from the left hate trump with a passion.

When you truly truly deeply deeply hate someone the first place you should check is the mirror

Is my resentment and hatred due to jealousy
Is it hard for my ego to accept that this person has achieved something which I feel I I should have been able to achieve because I'm more talented than him

I truly believe this is the case

When people see someone who is or has something they would like and especially if that person does not appear to have any particular talon it really gets in deep

It really touches a nerve with mofos

That's incredibly confronting for someone to admit to themselves
Most people would never have the courage to do that

But if you're feeling resentment and you're feeling hate it's often a good idea to try and understand where that's coming from
It will probably take you to dark places
Places you don't want to go
Because it will rock and shake the very foundations of your identity

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 5:39am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 9:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 7:22pm: the average chode should give up a months salary to go and absorb the vibe of an inspirational superman You mean an omega male lying and taking credit for the work of his predecessor? Yes, a month's salary... you have to get back in touch with reality. he's in the oval office. its just cognitive dissonance to say he is an omega , by the definition of the political hierachy itself .

Every trait he displays is that of an Omega desperate to climb the ranks but doesn't have it in him.

The lies, the reality distortion, the taken credit for others work, the shirking of responsibility, the petty childish attacks, the paying women to sleep with him, he brags about being intellectually superior to others, when he's not, the twitter meltdowns, all he's missing is a neckbeard...

He might be the President, but he's still an Omega...

All of his success is despite himself.  If he didn't have daddy's money and the constant bailouts of friends and family he's be nothing.

Never forget that.

You worship an Omega...

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 7:03am:

When you truly truly deeply deeply hate someone the first place you should check is the mirror

Does your sage advice apply to Trump himself, a man seemingly full of hate?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 8:33am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 5:39am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 9:09pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 7:22pm: the average chode should give up a months salary to go and absorb the vibe of an inspirational superman You mean an omega male lying and taking credit for the work of his predecessor? Yes, a month's salary... you have to get back in touch with reality. he's in the oval office. its just cognitive dissonance to say he is an omega , by the definition of the political hierachy itself . Every trait he displays is that of an Omega desperate to climb the ranks but doesn't have it in him. The lies, the reality distortion, the taken credit for others work, the shirking of responsibility, the petty childish attacks, the paying women to sleep with him, he brags about being intellectually superior to others, when he's not, the twitter meltdowns, all he's missing is a neckbeard... He might be the President, but he's still an Omega... All of his success is despite himself.  If he didn't have daddy's money and the constant bailouts of friends and family he's be nothing. Never forget that. You worship an Omega...

Not worship dude
Study

AiA wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 9:18am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 7:03am: When you truly truly deeply deeply hate someone the first place you should check is the mirror Does your sage advice apply to Trump himself, a man seemingly full of hate?

It's interesting you say that
Maybe I just see things differently
When I see someone like Rachel maddow
I see genuine hate and seething rage

When I see trump talking
I just see some dude his opening his mouth
The wind is blowing and his tongue is flapping and all sorts of garbage is coming out

I just see an unfiltered guy who really doesn't care much about much
I honestly don't think he's a hater
I think he's a bit of a stirrer
I think he loves the limelight
I think he's got a big ego
I think he loves to be the centre of attention
But I honestly don't think he hates
He's too busy dealing with all these other weird personality traits ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 10:15am:

AiA wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 9:18am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 7:03am: When you truly truly deeply deeply hate someone the first place you should check is the mirror Does your sage advice apply to Trump himself, a man seemingly full of hate? It's interesting you say that Maybe I just see things differently When I see someone like Rachel maddow I see genuine hate and seething rage When I see trump talking I just see some dude his opening his mouth The wind is blowing and his tongue is flapping and all sorts of garbage is coming out I just see an unfiltered guy who really doesn't care much about much I honestly don't think he's a hater I think he's a bit of a stirrer I think he loves the limelight I think he's got a big ego I think he loves to be the centre of attention But I honestly don't think he hates He's too busy dealing with all these other weird personality traits ;D ;D

Lock her up ?

So you are saying that though he specialises in triggering hate in others he does not feel it himself.

His regular twitter melt downs would seem to refute that as well as his expressed passion in speeches like the "Lock her up" rhetoric / tactic.

I have found that people who appear to be nasty to the core usually are.

I dont think that Shell necessarily did anything wrong. They are entitled to do what they did. But at the same time, we need to then understand that the attendees were not there by choice and therefore their presence means nothing other than as a backdrop to a narcissitic clown literally taking plaudits for a plant that was built by Obama.

No they didn't, but when you're dealing with a President obsessed with crowd sizes and supporters who will parrot his messages with even a first thought, let alone second, what better way to get under his, and their skin, than to point out factually accurate information that they couldn't handelllse.......

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 10:27am:

I dont think that Shell necessarily did anything wrong. They are entitled to do what they did. But at the same time, we need to then understand that the attendees were not there by choice and therefore their presence means nothing other than as a backdrop to a narcissitic clown literally taking plaudits for a plant that was built by Obama.

Shell have every right to do this but it is saying very little about the company's culture for them to actually do it.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 10:15am:

AiA wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 9:18am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 7:03am: When you truly truly deeply deeply hate someone the first place you should check is the mirror Does your sage advice apply to Trump himself, a man seemingly full of hate? It's interesting you say that Maybe I just see things differently When I see someone like Rachel maddow I see genuine hate and seething rage When I see trump talking I just see some dude his opening his mouth The wind is blowing and his tongue is flapping and all sorts of garbage is coming out I just see an unfiltered guy who really doesn't care much about much I honestly don't think he's a hater I think he's a bit of a stirrer I think he loves the limelight I think he's got a big ego I think he loves to be the centre of attention But I honestly don't think he hates He's too busy dealing with all these other weird personality traits ;D ;D

That's right, dear. Mr Trump might have said Mexicans are rapists, murderers and bring in drugs, but what he really wanted to say is that SOME, he assumes, ARE GOOD PEOPLE.

Mr Trump might have wanted to ban all Muslims, but only until we can work out WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.

And yes, when the neo-Nazis killed that anti-racist protester, Mr Trump made the point that there ARE GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES.

Mr Trump, you see, loves everybody.

SEND THEM BACK.

Karnal wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 12:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 10:15am: AiA wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 9:18am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 7:03am: When you truly truly deeply deeply hate someone the first place you should check is the mirror Does your sage advice apply to Trump himself, a man seemingly full of hate? It's interesting you say that Maybe I just see things differently When I see someone like Rachel maddow I see genuine hate and seething rage When I see trump talking I just see some dude his opening his mouth The wind is blowing and his tongue is flapping and all sorts of garbage is coming out I just see an unfiltered guy who really doesn't care much about much I honestly don't think he's a hater I think he's a bit of a stirrer I think he loves the limelight I think he's got a big ego I think he loves to be the centre of attention But I honestly don't think he hates He's too busy dealing with all these other weird personality traits ;D ;D That's right, dear. Mr Trump might have said Mexicans are rapists, murderers and bring in drugs, but what he really wanted to say is that SOME, he assumes, ARE GOOD PEOPLE. Mr Trump might have wanted to ban all Muslims, but only until we can work out WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. And yes, when the neo-Nazis killed that anti-racist protester, Mr Trump made the point that there ARE GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. Mr Trump, you see, loves everybody. SEND THEM BACK.

You obviously hate trump.

But I don't get the feeling trump hates anyone.
I think he just likes to win and its all a big game.
I honestly don't think he takes it seriously enough to feel strong emotions like hate
He likes the bare knuckles brawling with the media.


He's a weird guy playing a weird game.
I don't think he is playing that game at the paradigm you think he is.
He's more of a troll
And quite a successful one

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 1:30pm:

I think he just likes to win and its all a big game.

And this is why he's such a terrible President.

It's not that he doesn't hate anyone, which he's certainly shown he acts as if he does all the time, but he just doesn't care about anyone, specifically the American people.

They're just pawns to use in the game.

It's always been about him and winning.

The sooner people realise that the better.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 1:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 12:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 10:15am: AiA wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 9:18am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 7:03am: When you truly truly deeply deeply hate someone the first place you should check is the mirror Does your sage advice apply to Trump himself, a man seemingly full of hate? It's interesting you say that Maybe I just see things differently When I see someone like Rachel maddow I see genuine hate and seething rage When I see trump talking I just see some dude his opening his mouth The wind is blowing and his tongue is flapping and all sorts of garbage is coming out I just see an unfiltered guy who really doesn't care much about much I honestly don't think he's a hater I think he's a bit of a stirrer I think he loves the limelight I think he's got a big ego I think he loves to be the centre of attention But I honestly don't think he hates He's too busy dealing with all these other weird personality traits ;D ;D That's right, dear. Mr Trump might have said Mexicans are rapists, murderers and bring in drugs, but what he really wanted to say is that SOME, he assumes, ARE GOOD PEOPLE. Mr Trump might have wanted to ban all Muslims, but only until we can work out WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. And yes, when the neo-Nazis killed that anti-racist protester, Mr Trump made the point that there ARE GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. Mr Trump, you see, loves everybody. SEND THEM BACK. You obviously hate trump. But I don't get the feeling trump hates anyone. I think he just likes to win and its all a big game. I honestly don't think he takes it seriously enough to feel strong emotions like hate He likes the bare knuckles brawling with the media. He's a weird guy playing a weird game. I don't think he is playing that game at the paradigm you think he is. He's more of a troll And quite a successful one

I don't hate Mr Trump, dear - far from it.

But you're right. Mr Trump is a troll. And as everybody knows, trolls don't hate anyone.

They just hate themselves, no?