What are your thoughts on the governments chances of getting this up!

None and SFA in my opinion!

A bit more here on the voice in parliament idea

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/morrison-to-veto-voice-as-part-of-constitution/news-story/c9753bbe3595470032ac7fa95636931e

Morrison to veto ‘voice’ as part of Constitution

Scott Morrison will veto any move to enshrine an Aboriginal “voice to parliament” in the Constitution, urging his government to pursue indigenous recognition without supporting all the recommendations in the Uluru Statement from the Heart.

The Australian has been told the Prime Minister remains ­opposed to enshrining the voice in the Constitution, a move he ­declared last year would create a “third chamber” to parliament.

Minister for Indigenous Australians Ken Wyatt, who was elevated to cabinet by Mr Morrison after the election, declared in a landmark speech on Wednesday that the government would consider creating a voice to parliament through legislation, and left the door open to enshrining it in the Constitution.

Senior government sources said yesterday Mr Morrison would not support a constitutionally enshrined indigenous advisory body. He would consider backing a national body that would bring existing indigenous organisations together through legislation, while also seeking to build a consensus position on constitutional recognition.

“A voice to parliament ­enshrined in the Constitution is not going to happen on his watch,” a government source said.

The move risks a brawl with Labor and key indigenous figures but is aimed at encouraging them to shift their support away from full adoption of the 2017 Uluru Statement from the Heart, which includes constitutional enshrinement of a voice.

Mr Wyatt told The Australian yesterday that indigenous people could have “multiple voices” to the parliament — including the nation’s most disadvantaged and remote indigenous people — without having a voice enshrined in the Constitution.

“I think most people I talk to are not asking for the voice to be enshrined in the Constitution,” Mr Wyatt said.

“They want to be heard. It’s not just one voice. It’s not just one model. I want to hear from Aboriginal people in the regions as to what they want.

“We’ve got to consider the range of ways in which the voice has meaning. We have to focus on what the pragmatic realities are that are going to make a difference to the lives of indigenous Australians.”

GRAPHIC: The long road to recognition

Asked if he believed a voice to parliament needed to be in the Constitution in order to be effective, Mr Wyatt replied: “I don’t think it does.”

He said people spoke about the issue “at a national level but we are not listening to voices at the community level”.

“If we enshrined the voice in the Constitution it is not going to change what I have just ­described,” he said.

Indigenous academic Marcia Langton said the voice needed to be constitutionally enshrined to prevent it from being dismantled. She cited the Howard government’s decision to abolish the ­Aboriginal and Torres Strait ­Islander Commission in 2005.

“Going back to the 1970s, there is a long history of it,” Professor Langton said. “No effort to ­involve indigenous people in the government system has survived very long. They have always been abolished after one or two terms.

“It is one of the reasons why policies fail over and over again.”

Labor senator Pat Dodson, who would have been indigenous affairs minister if Bill Shorten had won the election, said Labor should not waver in its commitment to the recommendations from the Uluru Statement from the Heart, which was handed down by the federal government’s Referendum Council two years ago. He said Mr Wyatt would “not be keeping faith” with supporters of the Uluru statement if he ­refused to take a constitutionally enshrined voice to a referendum.

“People at Uluru wanted some kind of permanency and stability in the entity that gets to represent their views to the parliament,” Senator Dodson said.

Referendum Council co-chair Patricia Anderson said a constitutionally enshrined voice was the “only viable option” for indigenous recognition.

“The consensus at the dialogues and Uluru was to rule out symbolism,” Ms Anderson said. “Symbolism won’t close the gap. The consensus outcome was a constitutionally enshrined voice to the parliament.”

Anthony Albanese yesterday declared it was “realistic and ­doable” to hold a successful referendum on constitutional recognition in this term of parliament.

When asked if he thought it would be difficult to enshrine a voice into the Constitution, the Opposition Leader said he was ­optimistic about “getting an ­outcome”.

“I hope that this change happens during this parliament and I have offered to work constructively with Prime Minister Morrison,” Mr Albanese said.

“That’s the commitment from Labor to make sure that we get an outcome, not just any outcome, an outcome that has the support of indigenous Australians.”

Opposition spokeswoman for indigenous Australians Linda Burney said Labor would push the government to adopt the recommendations from the Uluru ­statement. But she indicated Labor could be willing to amend its ­position during the “co-design” process, if it ensured bipartisan support for constitutional recognition.

“Labor’s position at the ­moment is that we embrace the Uluru statement in its entirety,” Ms Burney said.

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Unfortunately, I suspect you're right.

There are important issues here - particularly those of the Indigenous people who feel they have been slighted for the last 200+ years of White settlement.  They have been treated as fauna for the most part and even after recognition as human beings, they have still not seen real recognition of their rights as the original custodians of the land.  Native Title attempts to address it but as the recent case in South Australia showed over the nuclear waste dump vote, only partially.

There is also the important point - Parliament is supreme in Australia.   It only has the Constitution above it.   A voice to Parliament could be designed into the present system but only with considerable difficulty and of course it would diminish Parliament's powers.   MPs are never going to allow that to happen.   Just as in the Republic, what is was important was how the el Presidente' was to be elected.   The Parliament wanted it to be them who did the choosing, the people wanted it to be them.   Parliament was never going to allow an alternative powerbase to be created.  So the Republic died.  So the voice to Parliament will die.

While I feel there should be some form of Constitutional Recognition of Indigenous Australians that is a basically a separate issue and can be addressed more easily in the form of a rewording of the introduction to the Constitution.  Something that acknowledges their existence and their custodianship of the land before the arrival of the Whites.

Australia is supposed to be about equality.  What we need is for the Government(s) to stop pussyfooting 'round about it and actually work towards closing the gap and helping the Indigenous people to be full Australian citizens with equal access to health care and so on.  They need help to rebuild their lives, real help.   Something many here continually decry unfortunately, preferring them to continue to live in squalor and violence.

Apparently there are indigenous people who feel they have been slighted over the last 200+ years. Dems old people, dere.

Even if it is just another bullshit feel nice statement towards ABOs I just think it will be a precurser to them wanting more. They will never be satisfied imo.

For this reason I think whiteys will say no as lots are of the opinion that ABOs are reasonably well looked after with all the money thrown at them already!

Loads of people are unemployed, there's a drug epidemic and  a high male suicide rate. Plus a load of other issues. Now we have another leftie issue coming out of the unis and inner cities which fixes nothing.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

Loads of people are unemployed, there's a drug epidemic and  a high male suicide rate. Plus a load of other issues. Now we have another leftie issue coming out of the unis and inner cities which fixes nothing.

I could not agree more. Why do you think Mr Abbott introduced the idea?

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 5:47pm:

Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal   ::)

Do you believe that people who's ancestors  get to a country first deserve extra rights   Brian?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:47pm: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal   ::) Do you believe that people who's ancestors  get to a country first deserve extra rights   Brian? I believe they need their rights to be observed by the latter arrivals, Hammer.   How about you?  What do you think?   It appears you haven't actually read the article I linked to, have you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

What about the Swedish for instance. It's their native land. Should the average Swede  have more rights than migrants?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:07pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:47pm: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal   ::) Do you believe that people who's ancestors  get to a country first deserve extra rights   Brian? I believe they need their rights to be observed by the latter arrivals, Hammer.   How about you?  What do you think?   It appears you haven't actually read the article I linked to, have you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What about the Swedish for instance. It's their native land. Should the average Swede  have more rights than migrants?

Nope.  They should have equal rights, just as Indigenous Australians should have equal rights to white colonist descended Australians, Hammer.  Do you believe Indigenous Australians have equal rights that are observed by Government(s)?

I note you failed to answer my questions.  Why?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:07pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:47pm: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal   ::) Do you believe that people who's ancestors  get to a country first deserve extra rights   Brian? I believe they need their rights to be observed by the latter arrivals, Hammer.   How about you?  What do you think?   It appears you haven't actually read the article I linked to, have you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What about the Swedish for instance. It's their native land. Should the average Swede  have more rights than migrants? Nope.  They should have equal rights, just as Indigenous Australians should have equal rights to white colonist descended Australians, Hammer.  Do you believe Indigenous Australians have equal rights that are observed by Government(s)? I note you failed to answer my questions.  Why?

They do have equal rights Brian. What's something I can do that they can't?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:17pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:07pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:47pm: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal   ::) Do you believe that people who's ancestors  get to a country first deserve extra rights   Brian? I believe they need their rights to be observed by the latter arrivals, Hammer.   How about you?  What do you think?   It appears you haven't actually read the article I linked to, have you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What about the Swedish for instance. It's their native land. Should the average Swede  have more rights than migrants? Nope.  They should have equal rights, just as Indigenous Australians should have equal rights to white colonist descended Australians, Hammer.  Do you believe Indigenous Australians have equal rights that are observed by Government(s)? I note you failed to answer my questions.  Why? They do have equal rights Brian. What's something I can do that they can't?

You can inherit your ancestor's lands, Hammer.  They can't, except through a complex legal system which is designed to slot their rights in with the land rights of White descended Coloials.   Funny that. 

Oh, and you can say, "No Trespassers Allowed" and put up fences and so on, to stop them coming onto your land, legally.   Indigenous Australians just get endless criticism from White people, funny that.   

Oh, and if you're sick, you can toddle of to your local doctor/health centre/hospital.  Indigenous Australians can't usually do that if they live on their land.  Funny that, hey?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:27pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:17pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:07pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:47pm: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal   ::) Do you believe that people who's ancestors  get to a country first deserve extra rights   Brian? I believe they need their rights to be observed by the latter arrivals, Hammer.   How about you?  What do you think?   It appears you haven't actually read the article I linked to, have you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What about the Swedish for instance. It's their native land. Should the average Swede  have more rights than migrants? Nope.  They should have equal rights, just as Indigenous Australians should have equal rights to white colonist descended Australians, Hammer.  Do you believe Indigenous Australians have equal rights that are observed by Government(s)? I note you failed to answer my questions.  Why? They do have equal rights Brian. What's something I can do that they can't? You can inherit your ancestor's lands, Hammer.  They can't, except through a complex legal system which is designed to slot their rights in with the land rights of White descended Coloials.   Funny that.  Oh, and you can say, "No Trespassers Allowed" and put up fences and so on, to stop them coming onto your land, legally.   Indigenous Australians just get endless criticism from White people, funny that.    Oh, and if you're sick, you can toddle of to your local doctor/health centre/hospital.  Indigenous Australians can't usually do that if they live on their land.  Funny that, hey?   ::)

They live in middle of nowhere Brian. Do you want a little hospital built on every aboriginal settlement out in the bush? I can't inherit all the land my ancestors owned muppet. Or I'd own a big patch in Ireland.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:31pm:

Or I'd own a big patch in Ireland.

i didn't think the cells were that big in Ireland  :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:31pm: Or I'd own a big patch in Ireland. i didn't think the cells were that big in Ireland  :D :D

At least I've got some. Your white ones have been decimated  by HIV.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:17pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:07pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 5:47pm: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal   ::) Do you believe that people who's ancestors  get to a country first deserve extra rights   Brian? I believe they need their rights to be observed by the latter arrivals, Hammer.   How about you?  What do you think?   It appears you haven't actually read the article I linked to, have you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What about the Swedish for instance. It's their native land. Should the average Swede  have more rights than migrants? Nope.  They should have equal rights, just as Indigenous Australians should have equal rights to white colonist descended Australians, Hammer.  Do you believe Indigenous Australians have equal rights that are observed by Government(s)? I note you failed to answer my questions.  Why? They do have equal rights Brian. What's something I can do that they can't? You can inherit your ancestor's lands, Hammer.  They can't, except through a complex legal system which is designed to slot their rights in with the land rights of White descended Coloials.   Funny that.  Oh, and you can say, "No Trespassers Allowed" and put up fences and so on, to stop them coming onto your land, legally.   Indigenous Australians just get endless criticism from White people, funny that.    Oh, and if you're sick, you can toddle of to your local doctor/health centre/hospital.  Indigenous Australians can't usually do that if they live on their land.  Funny that, hey?   ::) They live in middle of nowhere Brian. Do you want a little hospital built on every aboriginal settlement out in the bush?

Not every settlement, no but on the main ones, yes.


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I can't inherit all the land my ancestors owned muppet. Or I'd own a big patch in Ireland.

See, you dismiss their inability to exercise the same rights you can and do, Hammer.  How kind of you.  How smacking typical.    ::)

You're missing the point, Brian. We all have ancestries. We all, therefore, have 'ancestral lands'. I can acquire my ancestral land. It's called a mortgage.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 4:28pm:

You're missing the point, Brian. We all have ancestries. We all, therefore, have 'ancestral lands'. I can acquire my ancestral land. It's called a mortgage.

And once you have acquired your ancestral lands you can then hand them onto your descendents, Hammer.  Can Indigenous Australians?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 5:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 4:28pm: You're missing the point, Brian. We all have ancestries. We all, therefore, have 'ancestral lands'. I can acquire my ancestral land. It's called a mortgage. And once you have acquired your ancestral lands you can then hand them onto your descendents, Hammer.  Can Indigenous Australians?    ::)

Yes, they can.

They do. We have endless dam 'welcome to dam cuntry' ceremonies. What's that about? respect for elders past and present?? They were pretty patriarchal and unsavoury, those elders and preside over the abuse of women and children, still very big, with all that 40, 60, 80 thousand year cultural memory and practice still operating. I don't mind them being savages. We don't all have to be suburban yokels. I just don't like the pretence that they aren't savages. I would have a lot more respect for them if the OWNED their savagery.

Frank wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 7:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 5:30pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 4:28pm: You're missing the point, Brian. We all have ancestries. We all, therefore, have 'ancestral lands'. I can acquire my ancestral land. It's called a mortgage. And once you have acquired your ancestral lands you can then hand them onto your descendents, Hammer.  Can Indigenous Australians?    ::) Yes, they can. They do. We have endless dam 'welcome to dam cuntry' ceremonies. What's that about? respect for elders past and present?? They were pretty patriarchal and unsavoury, those elders and preside over the abuse of women and children, still very big, with all that 40, 60, 80 thousand year cultural memory and practice still operating. I don't mind them being savages. We don't all have to be suburban yokels. I just don't like the pretence that they aren't savages. I would have a lot more respect for them if the OWNED their savagery.

Oh, really, Soren?  I'm sure you'd love them to be as savage as they were once.  Then you'd feel justified with your racism and your insults.  I wonder though, how your Psychiatry would work against a band of tribal men, armed with spears, coming at you with murder in their eyes?

Today, Indigenous Australians are only recognised to have a say in their ancestral lands.  They can't own them, they cannot bequeath them to their descendents.  Whites?  Guess what?  They can own land, have it vested in their name and they can hand it down to their descendents.   Funny that, hey, Soren?

Now, bugger off to your little kiddies' playground where you can roll in your mud patch, all day long.    ::) ::)

Address Frank's point, please Brian. I'm ofay with the noble savage idea. On the other hand, what are your views on the well established tribal practices of incest, rape and corporal punishment? Are you willing to judge aboriginal history with the same rigour in which you judge your own?

You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country.

rhino wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:35pm:

You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country.

Really?  Is that why they live on average what, 8.6 years less than their white male counterparts?   Why they represent 28% of the prisoners in prison?  Why they suffer from disease at a high rate than many whites?

I think you need to reset your moral compass, mate.   ::)

Rather than the cause being socio-economic, could these figures be a result of the victim status placed on the indigene from well-meaning whites?  Non-Aborigines are expected to rise above adversity; the aborigine is taught to piss and moan because it's all whitey's fault therefore it's up to him to fix it.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 10:45am:

Rather than the cause being socio-economic, could these figures be a result of the victim status placed on the indigene from well-meaning whites?  Non-Aborigines are expected to rise above adversity; the aborigine is taught to piss and moan because it's all whitey's fault therefore it's up to him to fix it.

Ah, so when White Australians are suffering as a consequence of White society's indifference it is their own fault, Hammer?  Really?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:48pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:35pm: You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country. Really?  Is that why they live on average what, 8.6 years less than their white male counterparts?   Why they represent 28% of the prisoners in prison?  Why they suffer from disease at a high rate than many whites? I think you need to reset your moral compass, mate.   ::)

No one is forcing aboriginals to have high rates of substance abuse and domestic violence. There is no white cheer squad enabling these things. And the truth is due to legislation they have far greater work and educational opportunities than anyone else. Thats the facts, mate.

rhino wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 3:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:35pm: You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country. Really?  Is that why they live on average what, 8.6 years less than their white male counterparts?   Why they represent 28% of the prisoners in prison?  Why they suffer from disease at a high rate than many whites? I think you need to reset your moral compass, mate.   ::) No one is forcing aboriginals to have high rates of substance abuse and domestic violence. There is no white cheer squad enabling these things. And the truth is due to legislation they have far greater work and educational opportunities than anyone else. Thats the facts, mate.

If you believe that, how about we subject you and your family to 200+ years of denigration and outright hatred, steal your land, steal your children, destroy your religion and culture and then see if you still feel that way, OK?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 10:45am: Rather than the cause being socio-economic, could these figures be a result of the victim status placed on the indigene from well-meaning whites?  Non-Aborigines are expected to rise above adversity; the aborigine is taught to piss and moan because it's all whitey's fault therefore it's up to him to fix it. Ah, so when White Australians are suffering as a consequence of White society's indifference it is their own fault, Hammer?  Really?   ::)

Not at all. Western culture teaches us that life is a struggle. The cause of that struggle is irrelevant. All that is relevant is tbe solution. Is the aboriginal victimhood industry really in the best interests of aboigines?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 6:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 3:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 10:45am: Rather than the cause being socio-economic, could these figures be a result of the victim status placed on the indigene from well-meaning whites?  Non-Aborigines are expected to rise above adversity; the aborigine is taught to piss and moan because it's all whitey's fault therefore it's up to him to fix it. Ah, so when White Australians are suffering as a consequence of White society's indifference it is their own fault, Hammer?  Really?   ::) Not at all. Western culture teaches us that life is a struggle. The cause of that struggle is irrelevant. All that is relevant is tbe solution. Is the aboriginal victimhood industry really in the best interests of aboigines?

Western culture teaches that people are immaterial to the continued existence of western culture, Hammer, nothing more.    ::)

That's probably true.. Aboriginal culture teaches we are the original inhabitants, we are strong etc. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. We are victims. Never forget we are victims. So stick those hands out. Get 'em right out there. There you go, free stuff.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 5:44pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 3:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:35pm: You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country. Really?  Is that why they live on average what, 8.6 years less than their white male counterparts?   Why they represent 28% of the prisoners in prison?  Why they suffer from disease at a high rate than many whites? I think you need to reset your moral compass, mate.   ::) No one is forcing aboriginals to have high rates of substance abuse and domestic violence. There is no white cheer squad enabling these things. And the truth is due to legislation they have far greater work and educational opportunities than anyone else. Thats the facts, mate. If you believe that, how about we subject you and your family to 200+ years of denigration and outright hatred, steal your land, steal your children, destroy your religion and culture and then see if you still feel that way, OK?   ::)

If you can show me the 200 year old individuals who experienced all this then you may have a point. However, these alleged historical atrocities are nothing more than an excuse for current day criminal behaviour. We are throwing more money and services than ever before at the Aboriginal industry with increasingly negative outcomes, its time to break the cycle. Individuals like yourself giving criminals  reasons to excuse their behaviour isn't a positive contribution Brian, its a negative one and it is exactly why there are increasingly negative outcomes for the Abos. You and people like you are causing it Brian.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 5:44pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 3:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:35pm: You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country. Really?  Is that why they live on average what, 8.6 years less than their white male counterparts?   Why they represent 28% of the prisoners in prison?  Why they suffer from disease at a high rate than many whites? I think you need to reset your moral compass, mate.   ::) No one is forcing aboriginals to have high rates of substance abuse and domestic violence. There is no white cheer squad enabling these things. And the truth is due to legislation they have far greater work and educational opportunities than anyone else. Thats the facts, mate. If you believe that, how about we subject you and your family to 200+ years of denigration and outright hatred, steal your land, steal your children, destroy your religion and culture and then see if you still feel that way, OK?   ::)

oh dear   here we go   bri bri's answer to everything he cant answer.. ::) ::) ::)

I was brought up by todays standards very poor...all I remember is hand me downs  I even wore shoes that had the toes cut out my feet seemed to grow faster than the rest of me....... guess what  i never recall once holding my mum and dad responsible for that or anyone else for that matter  I just accepted it was how the times were....I made sure my own kids never had to wear shoes with the toes cut out..in fact I dont think I have ever seen that since I grew up... all I know is as each generation comes along so its standards changes.... if I had told my kids how poor I was and how I had nothing basically   and yes I expected them to live the same as I did...  then I am sure we could carry my experience forward.... ::) ::) ::)...it is after all about feeling sorry for oneself..... we can neither change what happened nor pretend it never happened.... all we can do is stop carrying it forward...

if you can produce one aboriginal that is still suffering as if it was 200 years ago right now.....

then bring it on bri bri......

my experience of each generation that wishes better for itself is they lift themselves up no one does it for them.

Spot on, Cods. My family on my father's side immigrated to Australia to escape the famine of the 1850's imposed on the Irish by the British. My mother's side were farming folk who trapped wild rabbits and the kids had one pair of shoes ( for school and church only). My mother's father had polio as a boy and then later tuberculosis. Several of my ancestors served in the great wars either dying or coming home to complete anonymity. My immediate family grew up in housing commission in Mt Druitt during the terrible Hawke/Keating years when unemployment waa 12% and interest rates were even higher. It's easy to blame, much harder to take stock of your life and work and struggle to make it better.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  "Yeah, we had it tought.   I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs."

You people really are quite weird.  Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago.

Interesting date that, hey?  Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact.  So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point.

Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years.  Harder than white settlers.  Much, much harder.   Why?  'cause everything they owned was stolen from them.  Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:32am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  "Yeah, we had it tought.   I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs." You people really are quite weird.  Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago. Interesting date that, hey?  Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact.  So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point. Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years.  Harder than white settlers.  Much, much harder.   Why?  'cause everything they owned was stolen from them.  Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it.   ::)

Brian, you persist with this and still don't get it, the vast majority of Aboriginal people are under 50, urbanised and have no idea what a humpy is. It is you who are persisting with this stereotyping and it is you who is the real racist here. Nothing will change until people change it themselves. Just like everyone else in this country Aboriginal people have the means to raise themselves, unlike others they have an extraordinary amount of resources available to them to do so. About time you quit the racist stereotyping.

rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:32am: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  "Yeah, we had it tought.   I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs." You people really are quite weird.  Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago. Interesting date that, hey?  Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact.  So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point. Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years.  Harder than white settlers.  Much, much harder.   Why?  'cause everything they owned was stolen from them.  Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it.   ::) Brian, you persist with this and still don't get it, the vast majority of Aboriginal people are under 50, urbanised and have no idea what a humpy is. It is you who are persisting with this stereotyping and it is you who is the real racist here.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I am talking about what has happened over the last 200+ years.    Indeed, I compare the last 50 with the preceding 150.  Things are getting better for the majority of Indigenous Australians but not all.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:45am:

rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:42am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:32am: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  "Yeah, we had it tought.   I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs." You people really are quite weird.  Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago. Interesting date that, hey?  Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact.  So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point. Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years.  Harder than white settlers.  Much, much harder.   Why?  'cause everything they owned was stolen from them.  Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it.   ::) Brian, you persist with this and still don't get it, the vast majority of Aboriginal people are under 50, urbanised and have no idea what a humpy is. It is you who are persisting with this stereotyping and it is you who is the real racist here. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I am talking about what has happened over the last 200+ years.    Indeed, I compare the last 50 with the preceding 150.  Things are getting better for the majority of Indigenous Australians but not all.    ::)

No Brian, things aren't getting better. As I stated, outcomes are increasingly negative for Aboriginal people despite huge resources being given to them. How can you be in this debate if you don't know the actual facts?

History is all about dispossession and land theft. My ancestors were sent out to Australia as convicts for speaking out against the Catholic church. I don't lean on the injustices that happened to my family before I was born. Why do Aborigines? More to the point, why do you?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 10:34pm:

Now, bugger off to your little kiddies' playground

How long have you had this obsession Bwwwian?

rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:45am: rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:42am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:32am: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  "Yeah, we had it tought.   I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs." You people really are quite weird.  Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago. Interesting date that, hey?  Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact.  So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point. Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years.  Harder than white settlers.  Much, much harder.   Why?  'cause everything they owned was stolen from them.  Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it.   ::) Brian, you persist with this and still don't get it, the vast majority of Aboriginal people are under 50, urbanised and have no idea what a humpy is. It is you who are persisting with this stereotyping and it is you who is the real racist here. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I am talking about what has happened over the last 200+ years.    Indeed, I compare the last 50 with the preceding 150.  Things are getting better for the majority of Indigenous Australians but not all.    ::) No Brian, things aren't getting better. As I stated, outcomes are increasingly negative for Aboriginal people despite huge resources being given to them. How can you be in this debate if you don't know the actual facts?

The majority of Indigenous Australians are indeed better off.  You are talking bullshit, Rhinto.  Run along now.   ::)

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 12:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 10:34pm: Now, bugger off to your little kiddies' playground How long have you had this obsession Bwwwian?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

How long have you been a dickhead, Fuzzy?   ::)

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 12:12pm:

History is all about dispossession and land theft. My ancestors were sent out to Australia as convicts for speaking out against the Catholic church. I don't lean on the injustices that happened to my family before I was born. Why do Aborigines? More to the point, why do you?

Irish people speaking out against the Catholic Church and the British punishing them with transportation?  Really?  Get real, Hammer, please.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 1:08pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:50am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:45am: rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:42am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:32am: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  "Yeah, we had it tought.   I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs." You people really are quite weird.  Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago. Interesting date that, hey?  Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact.  So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point. Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years.  Harder than white settlers.  Much, much harder.   Why?  'cause everything they owned was stolen from them.  Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it.   ::) Brian, you persist with this and still don't get it, the vast majority of Aboriginal people are under 50, urbanised and have no idea what a humpy is. It is you who are persisting with this stereotyping and it is you who is the real racist here. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I am talking about what has happened over the last 200+ years.    Indeed, I compare the last 50 with the preceding 150.  Things are getting better for the majority of Indigenous Australians but not all.    ::) No Brian, things aren't getting better. As I stated, outcomes are increasingly negative for Aboriginal people despite huge resources being given to them. How can you be in this debate if you don't know the actual facts? The majority of Indigenous Australians are indeed better off.  You are talking bullshit, Rhinto.  Run along now.   ::)

An educated person might have done a simple google before looking stupid.

Quote:

Indigenous disadvantage getting worse in mental health and incarceration

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/nov/17/indigenous-disadvantage-mental-health-domestic-violence-incarceration


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In fact, a December 2017 Australian Institute of Health and Welfare report found the mortality and life expectancy gaps are actually widening due to accelerating non-Indigenous population gains in these areas.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-social-justice/publications/close-gap-10-year-review

Feel stupid Brian? You should.

Doesn't affect the majority of Indigenous Australians, you wally.  If you are innumerate, please don't don't display it publicly.  It is embarrassing.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Doesn't affect the majority of Indigenous Australians, you wally.  If you are innumerate, please don't don't display it publicly.  It is embarrassing.   ::)

You don't know about statistical data? Do you know anything at all? Basic stuff Brian. Theres no way out of it, Aboriginal people are less healthy, life span is lower and crime rate increasing. Why keep embarrassing yourself?

Why the "Close the Gap" strategy has been proved useless:


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This review’s major findings are:     First, the Close the Gap Statement of Intent (and close the gap approach) has to date only been partially and incoherently implemented via the Closing the Gap Strategy:     –– An effective health equality plan was not in place until the release of the National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Health Plan Implementation Plan in 2015 – which has never been funded. The complementary National Strategic Framework for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples’ Mental Health and Social and Emotional Wellbeing 2017-2023 needs an implementation plan and funding as appropriate. There is still yet to be a national plan to address housing and health infrastructure, and social determinants were not connected to health planning until recently and still lack sufficient resources.     –– The Closing the Gap Strategy focus on child and maternal health and addressing chronic disease and risk factors – such as smoking through the Tackling Indigenous Smoking Program – are welcomed and should be sustained. However, there was no complementary systematic focus on building primary health service capacity according to need, particularly through the Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Services and truly shifting Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health to a preventive footing rather than responding ‘after the event’ to health crisis.     Second, the Closing the Gap Strategy – a 25-year program – was effectively abandoned after five-years and so cannot be said to have been anything but partially implemented in itself. This is because the ‘architecture’ to support the Closing the Gap Strategy (national approach, national leadership, funding agreements) had unraveled by 2014-2015.          Third, a refreshed Closing the Gap Strategy requires a reset which re-builds the requisite ‘architecture’ (national approach, national leadership, outcome-orientated funding agreements). National priorities like addressing Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health inequality have not gone away, are getting worse, and more than ever require a national response. Without a recommitment to such ‘architecture’, the nation is now in a situation where the closing the gap targets will measure nothing but the collective failure of Australian governments to work together and to stay the course.          Fourth, a refreshed Closing the Gap Strategy must be founded on implementing the existing Close the Gap Statement of Intent commitments. In the past ten years, Australian governments have behaved as if the Close the Gap Statement of Intent was of little relevance to the Closing the Gap Strategy when in fact it should have fundamentally informed it. It is time to align the two. A refreshed Closing the Gap Strategy must focus on delivering equality of opportunity in relation to health goods and services, especially primary health care, according to need and in relation to health infrastructure (an adequate and capable health workforce, housing, food, water). This should be in addition to the focus on maternal and infant health, chronic disease and other health needs. The social determinants of health inequality (income, education, racism) also must be addressed at a fundamental level.          Fifth, there is a ‘funding myth’ about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health – indeed in many Indigenous Affairs areas – that must be confronted as it impedes progress. That is the idea of dedicated health expenditure being a waste of taxpayer funds. Yet, if Australian governments are serious about achieving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health equality within a generation, a refreshed Closing the Gap Strategy must include commitments to realistic and equitable levels of investment (indexed according to need). Higher spending on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health should hardly be a surprise. Spending on the elderly, for example, is higher than on the young because everyone understands the elderly have greater health needs. Likewise, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population have, on average, 2.3 times the disease burden of non-Indigenous people.  Yet on a per person basis, Australian government health expenditure was $1.38 per Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander person for every $1.00 spent per non-Indigenous person in 2013-14.3 So, for the duration of the Closing the Gap Strategy Australian government expenditure was not commensurate with these substantially greater and more complex health needs. This remains the case. Because non-Indigenous Australians rely significantly on private health insurance and private health providers to meet much of their health needs, in addition to government support, the overall situation for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health can be characterised as ‘systemic’ or ‘market failure’. Private sources will not make up the shortfall. Australian government ‘market intervention’ – increased expenditure directed as indicated in the recommendations below – is required to address this. The Close the Gap Campaign believes no Australian government can preside over widening mortality and life expectancy gaps and, yet, maintain targets to close these gaps without additional funding. Indeed, the Campaign believes the position of Australian governments is absolutely untenable in that regard.

Close The Gap - 10 Year Review (2018)

We need multi-million dollar oncology clinics in settlements with a hundred peopoe. Makes sense.
:o

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 3:19pm:

We need multi-million dollar oncology clinics in settlements with a hundred peopoe. Makes sense. :o

No, we just have to provide access to the million dollar oncology clinics and the means to diagnose the need to visit those clinics when necessary in the remote settlements, Hammer.

You get Cancer, you visit your GP who refers you to an Oncologist and your visit the clinic.  If you're an indigenous Australian, unless you live in a major town or better yet, in a capital city, you don't get that level of care.    ::)

So, this issue is really an attack on utilitarianism. Let the majority slave to pay taxes for a small minority so they can paint rocks in the desert. Got it!

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 4:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 3:19pm: We need multi-million dollar oncology clinics in settlements with a hundred peopoe. Makes sense. :o No, we just have to provide access to the million dollar oncology clinics and the means to diagnose the need to visit those clinics when necessary in the remote settlements, Hammer. You get Cancer, you visit your GP who refers you to an Oncologist and your visit the clinic.  If you're an indigenous Australian, unless you live in a major town or better yet, in a capital city, you don't get that level of care.    ::)

Indigenous people in remote areas don't fare any less well in regards to these services than white people who live in the same areas. Again Brian you try to make out its about racism, it isn't. Services are not withheld from these people. Stop it Brian.

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Fifth, there is a ‘funding myth’ about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health – indeed in many Indigenous Affairs areas – that must be confronted as it impedes progress. That is the idea of dedicated health expenditure being a waste of taxpayer funds. Yet, if Australian governments are serious about achieving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health equality within a generation, a refreshed Closing the Gap Strategy must include commitments to realistic and equitable levels of investment (indexed according to need). Higher spending on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health should hardly be a surprise. Spending on the elderly, for example, is higher than on the young because everyone understands the elderly have greater health needs. Likewise, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population have, on average, 2.3 times the disease burden of non-Indigenous people.  Yet on a per person basis, Australian government health expenditure was $1.38 per Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander person for every $1.00 spent per non-Indigenous person in 2013-14.3 So, for the duration of the Closing the Gap Strategy Australian government expenditure was not commensurate with these substantially greater and more complex health needs. This remains the case. Because non-Indigenous Australians rely significantly on private health insurance and private health providers to meet much of their health needs, in addition to government support, the overall situation for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health can be characterised as ‘systemic’ or ‘market failure’. Private sources will not make up the shortfall. Australian government ‘market intervention’ – increased expenditure directed as indicated in the recommendations below – is required to address this. The Close the Gap Campaign believes no Australian government can preside over widening mortality and life expectancy gaps and, yet, maintain targets to close these gaps without additional funding. Indeed, the Campaign believes the position of Australian governments is absolutely untenable in that regard.

Just is the way in which Racists like to decry any spending on Indigenous Australians' health...   ::) ::)

You are reiterating what i have been saying  Brian, its not working, glad you can admit it. and its about outcomes, the health dollar is not unlimited. If these people want access to better services they need to go where those services are, we need to stop supporting these remote communities which are sucking the money out of the system for negative results.

rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 4:43pm:

You are reiterating what i have been saying  Brian, its not working, glad you can admit it. and its about outcomes, the health dollar is not unlimited. If these people want access to better services they need to go where those services are, we need to stop supporting these remote communities which are sucking the money out of the system for negative results.

Spoken like a typical Racist, Rhino.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

The report you posted shows that aborigines recieve  per capita, 43% more health funding than non-aborigones. My mother recently overcame cancer while being treated in the public system. Can you explain to me, Brian, why a 70 year old aboriginal woman deserves 43%  more health funding than my mum? I can promise you, my mum never poisoned a well or desecrated  a sacred site.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 4:57pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 4:43pm: You are reiterating what i have been saying  Brian, its not working, glad you can admit it. and its about outcomes, the health dollar is not unlimited. If these people want access to better services they need to go where those services are, we need to stop supporting these remote communities which are sucking the money out of the system for negative results. Spoken like a typical Racist, Rhino.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

For goodness sake Brian, cut out the racist cr2p. You are the racist perpetuating these negative stereotypes of Aboriginals. 

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 5:18pm:

The report you posted shows that aborigines recieve  per capita, 43% more health funding than non-aborigones. My mother recently overcame cancer while being treated in the public system. Can you explain to me, Brian, why a 70 year old aboriginal woman deserves 43%  more health funding than my mum? I can promise you, my mum never poisoned a well or desecrated  a sacred site.

A combination of circumstance and often location, Hammer.  Read the report in toto and you might come to understand the problems facing Indigenous Australians today.  I am glad your mother overcame Cancer.  Good on her and good on the health system for helping her do it.  Now, imagine an Indigenous woman out in the boondocks...   ::)

rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 5:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 4:57pm: rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 4:43pm: You are reiterating what i have been saying  Brian, its not working, glad you can admit it. and its about outcomes, the health dollar is not unlimited. If these people want access to better services they need to go where those services are, we need to stop supporting these remote communities which are sucking the money out of the system for negative results. Spoken like a typical Racist, Rhino.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) For goodness sake Brian, cut out the racist cr2p. You are the racist perpetuating these negative stereotypes of Aboriginals.

And so we force them to move off their tribal lands and you wonder why they complain about White indifference?  Really?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 5:18pm: The report you posted shows that aborigines recieve  per capita, 43% more health funding than non-aborigones. My mother recently overcame cancer while being treated in the public system. Can you explain to me, Brian, why a 70 year old aboriginal woman deserves 43%  more health funding than my mum? I can promise you, my mum never poisoned a well or desecrated  a sacred site. A combination of circumstance and often location, Hammer.  Read the report in toto and you might come to understand the problems facing Indigenous Australians today.  I am glad your mother overcame Cancer.  Good on her and good on the health system for helping her do it.  Now, imagine an Indigenous woman out in the boondocks...   ::)

Again, you've evaded a simple question. Why does a 70 year old aboriginal woman, from say Pendle Hill, deserve 43% better health care than my mum? I know what politicised aborigines would say; I just want to hear you say it.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:16pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 5:27pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 4:57pm: rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 4:43pm: You are reiterating what i have been saying  Brian, its not working, glad you can admit it. and its about outcomes, the health dollar is not unlimited. If these people want access to better services they need to go where those services are, we need to stop supporting these remote communities which are sucking the money out of the system for negative results. Spoken like a typical Racist, Rhino.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) For goodness sake Brian, cut out the racist cr2p. You are the racist perpetuating these negative stereotypes of Aboriginals.  And so we force them to move off their tribal lands and you wonder why they complain about White indifference?  Really?   ::)

No ones forcing anyone, you still don't get it. If I choose to live in a remote area then I dont get the same services. Just the way it is. White or black. Whether or not they are living on tribal lands is irrelevant.

Look at what students in our inner cities live in. Borderline ghettoes. Concrete jungles. Why? Because that's where the unis, libraries, law courts, concert halls, art galleries etc are. Why are aborigines exempt from having to do the same things everyone else takes for granted?

The current system is nothing less than apartheid, it needs to end.

Extra spending on Aboriginal health. Extra spending on tactics to reduce Aboriginal smoking. Extra spending on infrastructure in remote areas. it's gone from social justice to creating an Australian princely class.

I have often suggested that it is a shame that the fissues of poverty and "race" coincide so much in Australian society.  When Governments spend on poverty they are accused of spending on "race", when in reality if a white town had the same problems that Indigenous communities did, they'd receive basically the same amount of money.  So, we have the Racists screaming, as per usual, about anything spent to fix Indigenous Australians' problems.  Such silly people.  Really?    ::)

Except you posted states that show there is  $1.43 spent on aboriginal health for every $1 spent on non-aboriginal health. It's not the same...It's more. Significantly more. And It's still not good enough.

              Equal                                                   Fair

https://miro.medium.com/max/1271/1*w2Y8CF80LNEmkMMWRc8xlA.png

More bulldust Brian, the Government specifically ear marks funds for Aboriginals for negative results. Nothing to do with generalised funding. try again.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Except you posted states that show there is  $1.43 spent on aboriginal health for every $1 spent on non-aboriginal health. It's not the same...It's more. Significantly more. And It's still not good enough.

Yes and the reason why it isn't good enough is, what, Hammer?

Gee, could it because Indigenous Australians need more - at the moment - spent on their health to bring it up to the same standard as the White community's?

Yet, you keep screaming, "Oh, it's too much!  They are getting more spent on them than on us!"

You never, ever extend your thinking beyond your  moaning about "Race", Hammer.   I wonder why?   ::)

So according to Brian wanting equality is racist . Id love to take a trip into his mind just to experience the bizarre thought patterns.

rhino wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 3:40pm:

More bulldust Brian, the Government specifically ear marks funds for Aboriginals for negative results. Nothing to do with generalised funding. try again.

See the post by Greg above yours.  That is the answer.  Run along, Rhino.  We are talking about fairness, not about equalness. 

rhino wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 3:49pm:

So according to Brian wanting equality is racist . Id love to take a trip into his mind just to experience the bizarre thought patterns.

When your thinking is apparently motivated to produce a racist result, what am I supposed to believe, Rhino?  That you just want everybody to be equal or you want some people to be less than equal, Mmmm?    ::)

rhino wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 3:49pm:

So according to Brian wanting equality is racist . Id love to take a trip into his mind just to experience the bizarre thought patterns.

If Brian's thought dreams could be seen they'd put his head in a guillotine. Hammer Dylan.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 3:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 23rd, 2019 at 3:49pm: So according to Brian wanting equality is racist . Id love to take a trip into his mind just to experience the bizarre thought patterns. If Brian's thought dreams could be seen they'd put his head in a guillotine. Hammer Dylan.

Does this make sense to you, Jocko?


               Equal                                                   Fair

https://miro.medium.com/max/1271/1*w2Y8CF80LNEmkMMWRc8xlA.png

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 3:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 23rd, 2019 at 3:52pm: rhino wrote on Jul 23rd, 2019 at 3:49pm: So according to Brian wanting equality is racist . Id love to take a trip into his mind just to experience the bizarre thought patterns. If Brian's thought dreams could be seen they'd put his head in a guillotine. Hammer Dylan. Does this make sense to you, Jocko?                Equal                                                   Fair https://miro.medium.com/max/1271/1*w2Y8CF80LNEmkMMWRc8xlA.png

At a baseball game it does. Loads of people can't watch the game and they aren't leftist trendy enough to be helped. That pisses people off. Aborigines are just one group amongst a sea of floundering people.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 3:50pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 23rd, 2019 at 3:49pm: So according to Brian wanting equality is racist . Id love to take a trip into his mind just to experience the bizarre thought patterns. When your thinking is apparently motivated to produce a racist result, what am I supposed to believe, Rhino?  That you just want everybody to be equal or you want some people to be less than equal, Mmmm?    ::)

Dont let any factual information bother you in your crusade to label everyone who disagrees with your poor reasoning a racist.

rhino wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 7:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23rd, 2019 at 3:50pm: rhino wrote on Jul 23rd, 2019 at 3:49pm: So according to Brian wanting equality is racist . Id love to take a trip into his mind just to experience the bizarre thought patterns. When your thinking is apparently motivated to produce a racist result, what am I supposed to believe, Rhino?  That you just want everybody to be equal or you want some people to be less than equal, Mmmm?    ::) Dont let any factual information bother you in your crusade to label everyone who disagrees with your poor reasoning a racist.

You are it appears deliberately missing the point, Rhino.  Hardly surprising, really.  Trot along, off to the little kiddies' playground where your beliefs are acceptable.   ::)

Money has been thrown at aboriginal issues with not much progress. It's time to nix the aboriginal victimhood industry and make aboriginal leaders accountable for the message they're sending 'their' people.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24^th, 2019 at 6:19am:

Money has been thrown at aboriginal issues with not much progress. It's time to nix the aboriginal victimhood industry and make aboriginal leaders accountable for the message they're sending 'their' people.

You know, it'd be nice if White leaders were held responsible in the same way, Hammer...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2019 at 11:05pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 23rd, 2019 at 7:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23rd, 2019 at 3:50pm: rhino wrote on Jul 23rd, 2019 at 3:49pm: So according to Brian wanting equality is racist . Id love to take a trip into his mind just to experience the bizarre thought patterns. When your thinking is apparently motivated to produce a racist result, what am I supposed to believe, Rhino?  That you just want everybody to be equal or you want some people to be less than equal, Mmmm?    ::) Dont let any factual information bother you in your crusade to label everyone who disagrees with your poor reasoning a racist. You are it appears deliberately missing the point, Rhino.  Hardly surprising, really.  Trot along, off to the little kiddies' playground where your beliefs are acceptable.   ::)

Not beliefs, facts. Which you cant counter so resort to denigration.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24^th, 2019 at 8:22am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 6:19am: Money has been thrown at aboriginal issues with not much progress. It's time to nix the aboriginal victimhood industry and make aboriginal leaders accountable for the message they're sending 'their' people. You know, it'd be nice if White leaders were held responsible in the same way, Hammer...   ::)

Elections, senate enquiries, royal commissions, the Australian legal system, rigourous media. Do any of these apply to Aboriginal leaders?

Poor old Brian is copping a hiding here.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24^th, 2019 at 10:30am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 8:22am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 6:19am: Money has been thrown at aboriginal issues with not much progress. It's time to nix the aboriginal victimhood industry and make aboriginal leaders accountable for the message they're sending 'their' people. You know, it'd be nice if White leaders were held responsible in the same way, Hammer...   ::) Elections, senate enquiries, royal commissions, the Australian legal system, rigourous media. Do any of these apply to Aboriginal leaders?

Yes and more, Hammer.  Forgotten the "Intervention"?  Forgotten ATSIC?   All were created paternalisticaly to "guide" Indigenous Australians along the "right path", of course, Indigenous people weren't consulted nor did the White Authorities care about their opinons, just as you don't Hammer.  You just want to force Indigenous Australians to become pseudo White Australians.    ::)

Aborigines can choose to live anyway they wish. When It's on the tax player's dime...

Anyway, Brians been given a right good hiding on this issue. The problem is that he doesnt appear to be able to see is that he is actually contributing to Aboriginal problems. Hes helping make it worse.

He sure is misguided. Bless him.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Aborigines can choose to live anyway they wish. When It's on the tax player's dime...

Really?  Would you accept an Indigenous family if they moved in next door, Hammer?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 7:50pm: Aborigines can choose to live anyway they wish. When It's on the tax player's dime... Really?  Would you accept an Indigenous family if they moved in next door, Hammer?   ::)

Like most Australians, what choice would I have?See, this is the thing that s.h.i.t.s me about this wacism rubbish. If you're just one of the many powerless assholes like me, you don't have the power to be wacist. Except for schoolyard name-calling and not inviting non-whatever's to dinner parties. Wacism is pretty much an anachronism in 2019.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 1:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 7:50pm: Aborigines can choose to live anyway they wish. When It's on the tax player's dime... Really?  Would you accept an Indigenous family if they moved in next door, Hammer?   ::) Like most Australians, what choice would I have?See, this is the thing that s.h.i.t.s me about this wacism rubbish. If you're just one of the many powerless assholes like me, you don't have the power to be wacist. Except for schoolyard name-calling and not inviting non-whatever's to dinner parties. Wacism is pretty much an anachronism in 2019.

If only that was true.  You really are a silly fool, you realise?   Tsk, tsk.  Nearly all your posts are based on the ideas of Racism, Hammer.  You believe groups are inferior 'cause of the colour of their skin.   Such a silly, pointless belief.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 1:30pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 1:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 7:50pm: Aborigines can choose to live anyway they wish. When It's on the tax player's dime... Really?  Would you accept an Indigenous family if they moved in next door, Hammer?   ::) Like most Australians, what choice would I have?See, this is the thing that s.h.i.t.s me about this wacism rubbish. If you're just one of the many powerless assholes like me, you don't have the power to be wacist. Except for schoolyard name-calling and not inviting non-whatever's to dinner parties. Wacism is pretty much an anachronism in 2019. If only that was true.  You really are a silly fool, you realise?   Tsk, tsk.  Nearly all your posts are based on the ideas of Racism, Hammer.  You believe groups are inferior 'cause of the colour of their skin.   Such a silly, pointless belief.   ::)

Still don't have a clue. Do you? Silly old fart. It's not coloured people we are attacking. It's people like you.

ah, Brian loses the argument and labels everyone racist. Couldn't see that coming.  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 7:50pm: Aborigines can choose to live anyway they wish. When It's on the tax player's dime... Really?  Would you accept an Indigenous family if they moved in next door, Hammer?   ::)

The problem with you Brian, when you look at people you see skin colour and excuse poor behaviour because of it. When I look at people I see people and I judge them on their behaviour. You are the racist here Brian and every post you make underscores that fact.

Cool, white flag accepted and I declare Brian is PWND.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 1:30pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 1:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 7:50pm: Aborigines can choose to live anyway they wish. When It's on the tax player's dime... Really?  Would you accept an Indigenous family if they moved in next door, Hammer?   ::) Like most Australians, what choice would I have?See, this is the thing that s.h.i.t.s me about this wacism rubbish. If you're just one of the many powerless assholes like me, you don't have the power to be wacist. Except for schoolyard name-calling and not inviting non-whatever's to dinner parties. Wacism is pretty much an anachronism in 2019. If only that was true.  You really are a silly fool, you realise?   Tsk, tsk.  Nearly all your posts are based on the ideas of Racism, Hammer.  You believe groups are inferior 'cause of the colour of their skin.   Such a silly, pointless belief.   ::)

Well, if not their skin then what makes them inferior?

Offer an explanation for their inferiority if you are not happy about the racial/cultural explanation, extensively documented though it is.

Let the people decide, don't like their chances given the current climate and trend.

rhino wrote on Jul 24^th, 2019 at 9:18pm:

Anyway, Brians been given a right good hiding on this issue. The problem is that he doesnt appear to be able to see is that he is actually contributing to Aboriginal problems. Hes helping make it worse.

::) ::) ::)

absolutely   nothing worse than a bleeding heart whitey....they do more harm than anyone in history..

of course its all from a nice cosy lounge room though in a house that probably sits on "aboriginal land"... but dont let that get in the way of their bleeding hearts...

the first thing bri bri does is cry racist...its a natural....it kind of make them feel even more as if they were actually living in Arnhem Land  seeing it first hand... ::) ::)

its truly how they see themselves...

instead of what they are....keyboard warriors  ;D ;D

they have probably never met a real full blood aboriginal in their lives....

there is nothing like CHARITY....and thats what people like bri are all about about CHARITY and tokenism...

oh! and look at MEEEE   look how good I am  :) :) :)

Johnnie wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 12:04am:

Let the people decide, don't like their chances given the current climate and trend.

Indeed, we should let the people decide.  You know, I reckon you believed that the 1967 Referendum would be a failure as well, right?  How about the Gay Marriage opinion polls?   Seems to me the people decide when it is right to decide such matters, Xeej.   Must piss you off that people don't listen to you, right?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 12:39pm:

cods wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:00am: rhino wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 9:18pm: Anyway, Brians been given a right good hiding on this issue. The problem is that he doesnt appear to be able to see is that he is actually contributing to Aboriginal problems. Hes helping make it worse. ::) ::) ::) absolutely   nothing worse than a bleeding heart whitey....they do more harm than anyone in history.. of course its all from a nice cosy lounge room though in a house that probably sits on "aboriginal land"... but dont let that get in the way of their bleeding hearts... the first thing bri bri does is cry racist...its a natural....it kind of make them feel even more as if they were actually living in Arnhem Land  seeing it first hand... ::) ::) its truly how they see themselves... instead of what they are....keyboard warriors  ;D ;D they have probably never met a real full blood aboriginal in their lives.... there is nothing like CHARITY....and thats what people like bri are all about about CHARITY and tokenism... oh! and look at MEEEE   look how good I am  :) :) :) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

So when are you giving your land back to the abos Brian? Be a leader for once.

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 1:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 12:39pm: cods wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:00am: rhino wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 9:18pm: Anyway, Brians been given a right good hiding on this issue. The problem is that he doesnt appear to be able to see is that he is actually contributing to Aboriginal problems. Hes helping make it worse. ::) ::) ::) absolutely   nothing worse than a bleeding heart whitey....they do more harm than anyone in history.. of course its all from a nice cosy lounge room though in a house that probably sits on "aboriginal land"... but dont let that get in the way of their bleeding hearts... the first thing bri bri does is cry racist...its a natural....it kind of make them feel even more as if they were actually living in Arnhem Land  seeing it first hand... ::) ::) its truly how they see themselves... instead of what they are....keyboard warriors  ;D ;D they have probably never met a real full blood aboriginal in their lives.... there is nothing like CHARITY....and thats what people like bri are all about about CHARITY and tokenism... oh! and look at MEEEE   look how good I am  :) :) :) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg So when are you giving your land back to the abos Brian? Be a leader for once.

When did I suggest that was a good idea, Hammer?  Mmmm?

Stop erecting strawman arguments.  It is silly and childish.   I am quite prepared for the Government(s) on my behalf to pay compensation to the Indigenous Australians.  What about you?  Or are you simply too greedy?  You want it all for yourself, right?   ::) ::)

I would support a once only aboriginal census, compensation payed, then all state and federal aboriginal targeted programs ceased.  But that will never happen.

I imagine the usual pragmatic programs of support will continue and there is nothing wrong with that, extra spending on health etc is justified.

But there needs to be recognition from the aboriginal side that if you wish to live out the back of Burke then you will have reduced access to services.  Exactly the same as any small remote country town in which whitey lives.  It’s not racist if you don’t have a doctor.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 1:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 12:39pm: cods wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:00am: rhino wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 9:18pm: Anyway, Brians been given a right good hiding on this issue. The problem is that he doesnt appear to be able to see is that he is actually contributing to Aboriginal problems. Hes helping make it worse. ::) ::) ::) absolutely   nothing worse than a bleeding heart whitey....they do more harm than anyone in history.. of course its all from a nice cosy lounge room though in a house that probably sits on "aboriginal land"... but dont let that get in the way of their bleeding hearts... the first thing bri bri does is cry racist...its a natural....it kind of make them feel even more as if they were actually living in Arnhem Land  seeing it first hand... ::) ::) its truly how they see themselves... instead of what they are....keyboard warriors  ;D ;D they have probably never met a real full blood aboriginal in their lives.... there is nothing like CHARITY....and thats what people like bri are all about about CHARITY and tokenism... oh! and look at MEEEE   look how good I am  :) :) :) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg So when are you giving your land back to the abos Brian? Be a leader for once. When did I suggest that was a good idea, Hammer?  Mmmm? Stop erecting strawman arguments.  It is silly and childish.   I am quite prepared for the Government(s) on my behalf to pay compensation to the Indigenous Australians.  What about you?  Or are you simply too greedy?  You want it all for yourself, right?   ::) ::)

So that's a no. As long as somebody else pays hey Brian?

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 3:08pm:

I would support a once only aboriginal census, compensation payed, then all state and federal aboriginal targeted programs ceased.  But that will never happen. I imagine the usual pragmatic programs of support will continue and there is nothing wrong with that, extra spending on health etc is justified. But there needs to be recognition from the aboriginal side that if you wish to live out the back of Burke then you will have reduced access to services.  Exactly the same as any small remote country town in which whitey lives.  It’s not racist if you don’t have a doctor.

No one as far as I am aware, apart from the Racists are suggesting it is.  What is being pointed out is that white doctors tend to prefer working in white communities, rather than black ones.   So, we need to either get doctors who are colour blind or we need to train appreciably more Indigenous doctors...

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 3:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:57pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 1:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 12:39pm: cods wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:00am: rhino wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 9:18pm: Anyway, Brians been given a right good hiding on this issue. The problem is that he doesnt appear to be able to see is that he is actually contributing to Aboriginal problems. Hes helping make it worse. ::) ::) ::) absolutely   nothing worse than a bleeding heart whitey....they do more harm than anyone in history.. of course its all from a nice cosy lounge room though in a house that probably sits on "aboriginal land"... but dont let that get in the way of their bleeding hearts... the first thing bri bri does is cry racist...its a natural....it kind of make them feel even more as if they were actually living in Arnhem Land  seeing it first hand... ::) ::) its truly how they see themselves... instead of what they are....keyboard warriors  ;D ;D they have probably never met a real full blood aboriginal in their lives.... there is nothing like CHARITY....and thats what people like bri are all about about CHARITY and tokenism... oh! and look at MEEEE   look how good I am  :) :) :) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg So when are you giving your land back to the abos Brian? Be a leader for once. When did I suggest that was a good idea, Hammer?  Mmmm? Stop erecting strawman arguments.  It is silly and childish.   I am quite prepared for the Government(s) on my behalf to pay compensation to the Indigenous Australians.  What about you?  Or are you simply too greedy?  You want it all for yourself, right?   ::) ::) So that's a no. As long as somebody else pays hey Brian?

Nope.  Everybody pays, Hammer and we make sure they pay through their taxes.  Of course, we'd need to make the multinationals pay their fair share but with the current crop of politicians, that is unlikely to ever occur...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 4:13pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:08pm: I would support a once only aboriginal census, compensation payed, then all state and federal aboriginal targeted programs ceased.  But that will never happen. I imagine the usual pragmatic programs of support will continue and there is nothing wrong with that, extra spending on health etc is justified. But there needs to be recognition from the aboriginal side that if you wish to live out the back of Burke then you will have reduced access to services.  Exactly the same as any small remote country town in which whitey lives.  It’s not racist if you don’t have a doctor. No one as far as I am aware, apart from the Racists are suggesting it is.  What is being pointed out is that white doctors tend to prefer working in white communities, rather than black ones.   So, we need to either get doctors who are colour blind or we need to train appreciably more Indigenous doctors...

You should watch the Drum, just the other day an aboriginal (self announced, you wouldn’t know it from appearance) was bemoaning the lack of services in the communities.

And there is nothing stopping there being more aboriginal doctors, certainly not racist whitey  ::), there are all sorts of preferential scholarships and programs and funding.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 4:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:57pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 1:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 12:39pm: cods wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:00am: rhino wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 9:18pm: Anyway, Brians been given a right good hiding on this issue. The problem is that he doesnt appear to be able to see is that he is actually contributing to Aboriginal problems. Hes helping make it worse. ::) ::) ::) absolutely   nothing worse than a bleeding heart whitey....they do more harm than anyone in history.. of course its all from a nice cosy lounge room though in a house that probably sits on "aboriginal land"... but dont let that get in the way of their bleeding hearts... the first thing bri bri does is cry racist...its a natural....it kind of make them feel even more as if they were actually living in Arnhem Land  seeing it first hand... ::) ::) its truly how they see themselves... instead of what they are....keyboard warriors  ;D ;D they have probably never met a real full blood aboriginal in their lives.... there is nothing like CHARITY....and thats what people like bri are all about about CHARITY and tokenism... oh! and look at MEEEE   look how good I am  :) :) :) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg So when are you giving your land back to the abos Brian? Be a leader for once. When did I suggest that was a good idea, Hammer?  Mmmm? Stop erecting strawman arguments.  It is silly and childish.   I am quite prepared for the Government(s) on my behalf to pay compensation to the Indigenous Australians.  What about you?  Or are you simply too greedy?  You want it all for yourself, right?   ::) ::) So that's a no. As long as somebody else pays hey Brian? Nope.  Everybody pays, Hammer and we make sure they pay through their taxes.  Of course, we'd need to make the multinationals pay their fair share but with the current crop of politicians, that is unlikely to ever occur...   ::)

I bet you own a large parcel of land. Nice ex aboriginal land.

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 4:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 4:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:57pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 1:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 12:39pm: cods wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:00am: rhino wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 9:18pm: Anyway, Brians been given a right good hiding on this issue. The problem is that he doesnt appear to be able to see is that he is actually contributing to Aboriginal problems. Hes helping make it worse. ::) ::) ::) absolutely   nothing worse than a bleeding heart whitey....they do more harm than anyone in history.. of course its all from a nice cosy lounge room though in a house that probably sits on "aboriginal land"... but dont let that get in the way of their bleeding hearts... the first thing bri bri does is cry racist...its a natural....it kind of make them feel even more as if they were actually living in Arnhem Land  seeing it first hand... ::) ::) its truly how they see themselves... instead of what they are....keyboard warriors  ;D ;D they have probably never met a real full blood aboriginal in their lives.... there is nothing like CHARITY....and thats what people like bri are all about about CHARITY and tokenism... oh! and look at MEEEE   look how good I am  :) :) :) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg So when are you giving your land back to the abos Brian? Be a leader for once. When did I suggest that was a good idea, Hammer?  Mmmm? Stop erecting strawman arguments.  It is silly and childish.   I am quite prepared for the Government(s) on my behalf to pay compensation to the Indigenous Australians.  What about you?  Or are you simply too greedy?  You want it all for yourself, right?   ::) ::) So that's a no. As long as somebody else pays hey Brian? Nope.  Everybody pays, Hammer and we make sure they pay through their taxes.  Of course, we'd need to make the multinationals pay their fair share but with the current crop of politicians, that is unlikely to ever occur...   ::) I bet you own a large parcel of land. Nice ex aboriginal land.

How much are you prepared to bet, Hammer?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 5:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 4:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 4:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:57pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 1:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 12:39pm: cods wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:00am: rhino wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 9:18pm: Anyway, Brians been given a right good hiding on this issue. The problem is that he doesnt appear to be able to see is that he is actually contributing to Aboriginal problems. Hes helping make it worse. ::) ::) ::) absolutely   nothing worse than a bleeding heart whitey....they do more harm than anyone in history.. of course its all from a nice cosy lounge room though in a house that probably sits on "aboriginal land"... but dont let that get in the way of their bleeding hearts... the first thing bri bri does is cry racist...its a natural....it kind of make them feel even more as if they were actually living in Arnhem Land  seeing it first hand... ::) ::) its truly how they see themselves... instead of what they are....keyboard warriors  ;D ;D they have probably never met a real full blood aboriginal in their lives.... there is nothing like CHARITY....and thats what people like bri are all about about CHARITY and tokenism... oh! and look at MEEEE   look how good I am  :) :) :) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg So when are you giving your land back to the abos Brian? Be a leader for once. When did I suggest that was a good idea, Hammer?  Mmmm? Stop erecting strawman arguments.  It is silly and childish.   I am quite prepared for the Government(s) on my behalf to pay compensation to the Indigenous Australians.  What about you?  Or are you simply too greedy?  You want it all for yourself, right?   ::) ::) So that's a no. As long as somebody else pays hey Brian? Nope.  Everybody pays, Hammer and we make sure they pay through their taxes.  Of course, we'd need to make the multinationals pay their fair share but with the current crop of politicians, that is unlikely to ever occur...   ::) I bet you own a large parcel of land. Nice ex aboriginal land. How much are you prepared to bet, Hammer?   ::)

I can see it now. You in your flanno and akubra  prowling the grounds like you are Clive Of India. Reminiscing  about those days ordering fuel for the army. Just like Mothra with her floral dress, straw hat and no knickers. Taking photos of paspalum in between sessions of laughing yoga. If an abo slapped a land rights claim on your properties you set up a GOFUNDME account so you both could fight it in court.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 5:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:11pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 4:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 4:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:57pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 1:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 12:39pm: cods wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:00am: rhino wrote on Jul 24th, 2019 at 9:18pm: Anyway, Brians been given a right good hiding on this issue. The problem is that he doesnt appear to be able to see is that he is actually contributing to Aboriginal problems. Hes helping make it worse. ::) ::) ::) absolutely   nothing worse than a bleeding heart whitey....they do more harm than anyone in history.. of course its all from a nice cosy lounge room though in a house that probably sits on "aboriginal land"... but dont let that get in the way of their bleeding hearts... the first thing bri bri does is cry racist...its a natural....it kind of make them feel even more as if they were actually living in Arnhem Land  seeing it first hand... ::) ::) its truly how they see themselves... instead of what they are....keyboard warriors  ;D ;D they have probably never met a real full blood aboriginal in their lives.... there is nothing like CHARITY....and thats what people like bri are all about about CHARITY and tokenism... oh! and look at MEEEE   look how good I am  :) :) :) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg So when are you giving your land back to the abos Brian? Be a leader for once. When did I suggest that was a good idea, Hammer?  Mmmm? Stop erecting strawman arguments.  It is silly and childish.   I am quite prepared for the Government(s) on my behalf to pay compensation to the Indigenous Australians.  What about you?  Or are you simply too greedy?  You want it all for yourself, right?   ::) ::) So that's a no. As long as somebody else pays hey Brian? Nope.  Everybody pays, Hammer and we make sure they pay through their taxes.  Of course, we'd need to make the multinationals pay their fair share but with the current crop of politicians, that is unlikely to ever occur...   ::) I bet you own a large parcel of land. Nice ex aboriginal land. How much are you prepared to bet, Hammer?   ::) I can see it now. You in your flanno and akubra  prowling the grounds like you are Clive Of India. Reminiscing  about those days ordering fuel for the army. Just like Mothra with her floral dress, straw hat and no knickers. Taking photos of paspalum in between sessions of laughing yoga. If an abo slapped a land rights claim on your properties you set up a GOFUNDME account so you both could fight it in court. So, unwilling to put your own money on your claims, hey, Hammer?  How unsurprising.  Tsk, tsk.  I'll leave you to your fantasies...    ::) ::)

I'd hate to see Australia suffer financially because massive power is being put into the hands of aboriginal groups. I despise multinationals but at least bread crumbs filter down. And I'd hate to see the  day when hospitals are not getting built etc because of huge financial mismanagement by these groups. And seeing farmers lose their land or paying  big  rental payments . And mining being halted all over the country. All that will happen is the poor in Australia will get less and aborigines more.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHD1ipVWkAAlGZP.jpg

How true.  :(

need to see proof of their ethnicity on individual basis

met too many who're brown but are no more Abo than I am

The whole *Aboriginal* thing is nothing but a gravy train for certain people, who don't want the Aboriginals to start thinking for themselves and advancing, while ever they have Aboriginals kept in a state of desperation and despair, their gravy train is safe.

Wake up bungee, you're being used as tool to push hatred of the white man and empower others, who couldn't care less about you.

:)

PZ547 wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2019 at 12:13pm:

need to see proof of their ethnicity on individual basis met too many who're brown but are no more Abo than I am

Getting "brown" on Bondi beach definitely doesn't make you an aboriginal.  ;D Indigenous? Probably - provided you were born here.  ;)

Constitutional Cops:

https://twitter.com/DrRimmer/status/1193301348466343936

;D