An estimated 53,000 women and girls born overseas and now living in Australia have undergone female genital mutilation in their lifetime, data released by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare on Wednesday found.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/06/female-genital-mutilation-53000-australians-have-had-procedure-report-estimates

As if it's not happening to children born here.

Wait, what? "53,000 Australians have had procedure"?

I've asked you  once today already, Gordy. Are you okay?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Wait, what? "53,000 Australians have had procedure"? I've asked you  once today already, Gordy. Are you okay?

Shoot the messenger?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/06/female-genital-mutilation-53000-australians-have-had-procedure-report-estimates

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:13pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:12pm: Wait, what? "53,000 Australians have had procedure"? I've asked you  once today already, Gordy. Are you okay? Shoot the messenger? https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/06/female-genital-mutilation-53000-australians-have-had-procedure-report-estimates

An estimated 53,000 women and girls born overseas and now living in Australia have undergone female genital mutilation in their lifetime, data released by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare on Wednesday found.


Misleading bastard. Just doing what you do.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:16pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:13pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:12pm: Wait, what? "53,000 Australians have had procedure"? I've asked you  once today already, Gordy. Are you okay? Shoot the messenger? https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/06/female-genital-mutilation-53000-australians-have-had-procedure-report-estimates An estimated 53,000 women and girls born overseas and now living in Australia have undergone female genital mutilation in their lifetime, data released by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare on Wednesday found. Misleading bastard. Just doing what you do.

Wow you're on the good gear today.
I posted a link and a clear quote.

Here's some more for you.

An Australian Institute of Health and Welfare report estimated that 53,000 girls and women born elsewhere, but now living in Australia, have undergone FGM or cutting. However, this report excluded women from many countries where FGM is practiced, including Indonesia


No FGM Australia estimates the number of girls born in Australia who are at high risk of FGM has more than tripled to 3,876 per year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-05/melbourne-doctor-fgm-survivors-orgasms-clitoris-restoration/10953994

And may i say that it is precisely this kingd of sensationalism and misinformation that stands directly in the way of procuring the best outcomes for girls and women both iat risk for FGC and who have survived FGC.

Being used as a political football.

Some idiot, Peez i think, was demanding answers to this topic from "the forum feminist" ... clearly meaning me, although he was too gutless to ask me directly.

The answer is, there is no point discussing it on this forum. None at all. It is only counter-productive. I do my work elsewhere. I have tried on here and failed.

From the article:


Quote:

Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of or injury to the external female genitalia or genital organs, such as stitching of the labia majora or pricking of the clitoris. It is performed on women and girls at a range of ages, including babies.

As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia.

The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless.

While not endorsing any kind of female circumcision, it is dishonest and misleading not to make this distinction IMO.

A Govt report is sensationalism?

You just don't want to acknowledge it's happening. 
You'd rather it all be swept under the rug.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:23pm:

From the article: Quote: Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of or injury to the external female genitalia or genital organs, such as stitching of the labia majora or pricking of the clitoris. It is performed on women and girls at a range of ages, including babies. As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia. The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless. While not endorsing any kind of female circumcision, it is dishonest and misleading not to make this distinction IMO.

And one of the reasons the term FGC is preferable.

And i stand by the statement that absolutely nobody has any right whatsoever to do anything to any girl that goes beyond changing a nappy ... unless you are required to for that child's benefit.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:23pm:

From the article: Quote: Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of or injury to the external female genitalia or genital organs, such as stitching of the labia majora or pricking of the clitoris. It is performed on women and girls at a range of ages, including babies. As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia. The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless. While not endorsing any kind of female circumcision, it is dishonest and misleading not to make this distinction IMO.

Gandalf the appeaser.

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:28pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:23pm: From the article: Quote: Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of or injury to the external female genitalia or genital organs, such as stitching of the labia majora or pricking of the clitoris. It is performed on women and girls at a range of ages, including babies. As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia. The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless. While not endorsing any kind of female circumcision, it is dishonest and misleading not to make this distinction IMO. Gandalf the appeaser.

Nope. Just calling you on your bullshit.

What procedure?

Face it Gordy. You don;t give a rat's arse about these girls and women.

I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report.

Shoot the messenger?

What procedure, Gordy?

Who are you speaking for?

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:35pm:

I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger?

Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged.

Does clitoral piercing for a ring count?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for?

What have I lied about?

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:05pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:53pm: What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for? What have I lied about?

What procedure have 53,000 women and girlls in Australia been victim to?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:06pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:05pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:53pm: What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for? What have I lied about? What procedure have 53,oo women and girlls in Australia been victim to? Mutilation, is it?

I posted a link to a Govt study. Read it.

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:06pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:05pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:53pm: What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for? What have I lied about? What procedure have 53,oo women and girlls in Australia been victim to? Mutilation, is it? I posted a link to a Govt study. Read it.

Scared of your own words?

What procedure have 53,00 girls and women in Australia been victim to?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:08pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:07pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:06pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:05pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:53pm: What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for? What have I lied about? What procedure have 53,oo women and girlls in Australia been victim to? Mutilation, is it? I posted a link to a Govt study. Read it. Scared of your own words? What procedure have 53,00 girls and women in Australia been victim to?

Not my words, I've just posted links. Shooting the messenger again?

It's clear you want this all swept under the carpet.

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:11pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:08pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:07pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:06pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:05pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:53pm: What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for? What have I lied about? What procedure have 53,oo women and girlls in Australia been victim to? Mutilation, is it? I posted a link to a Govt study. Read it. Scared of your own words? What procedure have 53,00 girls and women in Australia been victim to? Not my words, I've just posted links. Shooting the messenger again? It's clear you want this all swept under the carpet.

Nope. I fight this on forums bigger and less echo chambery than this one.

But i think it's certainly fair to say that you are using the victims of FGC as a political football.

Step up, i suppose, from you making jokes about them.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:14pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:11pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:08pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:07pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:06pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:05pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:53pm: What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for? What have I lied about? What procedure have 53,oo women and girlls in Australia been victim to? Mutilation, is it? I posted a link to a Govt study. Read it. Scared of your own words? What procedure have 53,00 girls and women in Australia been victim to? Not my words, I've just posted links. Shooting the messenger again? It's clear you want this all swept under the carpet. Nope. I fight this on forums bigger and less echo chambery than this one. But i think it's certainly fair to say that you are using the victims of FGC as a political football. Step up, i suppose, from you making jokes about them.

You bake vegan scones for FGM?
You're a fake and a fraud and you support Gandalf the FGM appeaser.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:35pm: I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger? Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged.

Are you going to do it yourself? Because I wonder how well you would go against the people who do female genital mutilation.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:56pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:35pm: I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger? Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged. Are you going to do it yourself? Because I wonder how well you would go against the people who do female genital mutilation.

It's almost entirely performed by women, so i dont think they'd pose an enormous threat.

Hanging though, of course, is not the answer. Bobby is ridiculous.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:22pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:20pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:56pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:35pm: I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger? Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged. Are you going to do it yourself? Because I wonder how well you would go against the people who do female genital mutilation. It's almost entirely performed by women, so i dont think they'd pose an enormous threat. Hanging though, of course, is not the answer. Bobby is ridiculous.

I did not consider the gender or the profession of those performing the procedure. Rather, implying that this genital mutilation would be the fault of those that called for the procedure to take place.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:37pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:22pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:20pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:56pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:35pm: I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger? Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged. Are you going to do it yourself? Because I wonder how well you would go against the people who do female genital mutilation. It's almost entirely performed by women, so i dont think they'd pose an enormous threat. Hanging though, of course, is not the answer. Bobby is ridiculous. I did not consider the gender or the profession of those performing the procedure. Rather, implying that this genital mutilation would be the fault of those that called for the procedure to take place.

Ah. Old men. No threat to Bobby.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:35pm: I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger? Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged.

and boys too, well any child ;)

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:37pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:22pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:20pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:56pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:35pm: I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger? Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged. Are you going to do it yourself? Because I wonder how well you would go against the people who do female genital mutilation. It's almost entirely performed by women, so i dont think they'd pose an enormous threat. Hanging though, of course, is not the answer. Bobby is ridiculous. I did not consider the gender or the profession of those performing the procedure. Rather, implying that this genital mutilation would be the fault of those that called for the procedure to take place.

so their culture ?

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:56pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:35pm: I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger? Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged. and boys too, well any child ;)

Agreed. Leave kids bits the hell alone, unless you absolutely have to change their pants.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:48pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:56pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:35pm: I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger? Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged. and boys too, well any child ;) Agreed. Leave kids bits the hell alone, unless you absolutely have to change their pants.

Lets try and agree on one thing today Moths.
They're born perfect, change nothing.

Have you noticed Indian toddlers with pierced ears? I'm not saying it's even in the ballpark as FGM/C but I don't like it.

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:47pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:37pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:22pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:20pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:56pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:35pm: I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger? Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged. Are you going to do it yourself? Because I wonder how well you would go against the people who do female genital mutilation. It's almost entirely performed by women, so i dont think they'd pose an enormous threat. Hanging though, of course, is not the answer. Bobby is ridiculous. I did not consider the gender or the profession of those performing the procedure. Rather, implying that this genital mutilation would be the fault of those that called for the procedure to take place. so their culture ?

Whoever calls for genital mutilation, irrespective of their background.

FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication.   Those 53000 people probably had it done else where.  It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop.  And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society.  And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop. 

I am not sure what Gordon is implying.  Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something? 

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:13pm:

FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication.   Those 53000 people probably had it done else where.  It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop.  And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society.  And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.  I am not sure what Gordon is implying.  Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?

Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC.

It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:13pm: FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication.   Those 53000 people probably had it done else where.  It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop.  And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society.  And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.  I am not sure what Gordon is implying.  Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?  Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC. It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy.

Shoot the messenger, again? Pew pew pew pew pew.

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:24pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:18pm: tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:13pm: FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication.   Those 53000 people probably had it done else where.  It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop.  And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society.  And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.  I am not sure what Gordon is implying.  Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?  Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC. It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy. Shoot the messenger, again? Pew pew pew pew pew.

Oh? You admit your message is a Muslim bash?

You're not having a good day, Gordy.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for?

gandalf  has acknowledge two procedures..

one we all know about.. [horrific]..but the second??????? >:(



Quote:

As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia. The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless.

sorry to pick on the words you use gandy   but we all get picked on for words now and then..

I think any normal thinking person agrees with you regarding female mutilation...

however I am scratching my head on your remarks regarding the first  symbolic nicking.. procedure..


what the hell is symbolic about feeling inside a females genitalia???......and just taking a NICK. >:(

would you mind if someone was commissioned  to put a symbolic instrument up your penis and take  a symbolic NICK?.. ::) ::) ::)


this is more than child abuse....its filthy and barbaric,...

someone is traumatised for life

for what bloody benefit no one will ever know...


and you call it BASICALLY HARMLESS...

anyone doing anything with anyones private parts without their permission   is a child abuser....

there are no excuses  absolutely NONE..

its shocked me to be honest that gandy actually goes along with a medievil procedure...of no value whatever...


it is all FGM.. get your hands off these babies.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:29pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:24pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:18pm: tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:13pm: FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication.   Those 53000 people probably had it done else where.  It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop.  And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society.  And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.  I am not sure what Gordon is implying.  Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?  Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC. It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy. Shoot the messenger, again? Pew pew pew pew pew. Oh? You admit your message is a Muslim bash? You're not having a good day, Gordy.

Liar.

You just hate me revealing the true extent of FGM in Australia.
You want it all swept under the carpet, but why?

cods wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:32pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:53pm: What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for? gandalf  has acknowledge two procedures.. one we all know about.. [horrific]..but the second??????? >:( Quote: As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia. The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless. sorry to pick on the words you use gandy   but we all get picked on for words now and then.. I think any normal thinking person agrees with you regarding female mutilation... however I am scratching my head on your remarks regarding the first  symbolic nicking.. procedure.. what the hell is symbolic about feeling inside a females genitalia???......and just taking a NICK. >:( would you mind if someone was commissioned  to put a symbolic instrument up your penis and take  a symbolic NICK?.. ::) ::) ::) this is more than child abuse....its filthy and barbaric,... someone is traumatised for life for what bloody benefit no one will ever know... and you call it BASICALLY HARMLESS... anyone doing anything with anyones private parts without their permission   is a child abuser.... there are no excuses  absolutely NONE.. its shocked me to be honest that gandy actually goes along with a medievil procedure...of no value whatever... it is all FGM.. get your hands off these babies.

Gandalf has just outed himself as a disgusting apologist for FGM.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:13pm: FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication.   Those 53000 people probably had it done else where.  It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop.  And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society.  And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.  I am not sure what Gordon is implying.  Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?  Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC. It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy.

yet Muslims or Islam was not mentioned until you did.

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:24pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:18pm: tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:13pm: FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication.   Those 53000 people probably had it done else where.  It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop.  And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society.  And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.  I am not sure what Gordon is implying.  Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?  Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC. It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy. Shoot the messenger, again? Pew pew pew pew pew.

funny how only the few are entitled to speak up and have their opinion on here discussed......

why is that all of a sudden> tickle  spoke in a very general way   its FACT it is still going on..does it go on inthis country...

of course it does....nowhere near what it does in their main culture  but sure as god made little apples   it still happens....mothra seem to condemn anyone who speaks up against it.... 

if there are 53.000 living here   what about the rest of the world/?????????.....

do we dare ask????...

is it a crime to speak up and demand more be done to stop it happening?????...

apparently   :( :(

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:34pm:

cods wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:32pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:53pm: What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for? gandalf  has acknowledge two procedures.. one we all know about.. [horrific]..but the second??????? >:( Quote: As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia. The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless. sorry to pick on the words you use gandy   but we all get picked on for words now and then.. I think any normal thinking person agrees with you regarding female mutilation... however I am scratching my head on your remarks regarding the first  symbolic nicking.. procedure.. what the hell is symbolic about feeling inside a females genitalia???......and just taking a NICK. >:( would you mind if someone was commissioned  to put a symbolic instrument up your penis and take  a symbolic NICK?.. ::) ::) ::) this is more than child abuse....its filthy and barbaric,... someone is traumatised for life for what bloody benefit no one will ever know... and you call it BASICALLY HARMLESS... anyone doing anything with anyones private parts without their permission   is a child abuser.... there are no excuses  absolutely NONE.. its shocked me to be honest that gandy actually goes along with a medievil procedure...of no value whatever... it is all FGM.. get your hands off these babies. Gandalf has just outed himself as a disgusting apologist for FGM.

not so sure about that gordy.....but his words struck me as being flippant..about something that should be entirely off limits...

he cant claim one is barbaric and the other harmless..


dont make sense.

rhino wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:38pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:18pm: tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:13pm: FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication.   Those 53000 people probably had it done else where.  It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop.  And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society.  And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.  I am not sure what Gordon is implying.  Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?  Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC. It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy. yet Muslims or Islam was not mentioned until you did.

I'm a soothsayer.

And off it goes ... into madness.

No chance for a reasoned discussion on FGC on this forum.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:45pm:

And off it goes ... into madness. No chance for a reasoned discussion on FGC on this forum.

;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

cods wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:45pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:45pm: And off it goes ... into madness. No chance for a reasoned discussion on FGC on this forum. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

And wat have you to offer, aside from a swipe at me?

Aside from heckling that Gandalf is a supporter of FGC and i just want to silence it?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:45pm:

And off it goes ... into madness. No chance for a reasoned discussion on FGC on this forum.

You started it with reply #4 where you called me a misleading bastard for doing nothing more than posting the article.

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:55pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:45pm: And off it goes ... into madness. No chance for a reasoned discussion on FGC on this forum. You started it with reply #4 where you called me a misleading bastard for doing nothing more than posting the article.

You're thread heading, dickhead.

Which procedure? You don;t seem to want to say?

One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done?

cods wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:32pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:53pm: What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for? gandalf  has acknowledge two procedures.. one we all know about.. [horrific]..but the second??????? >:( Quote: As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia. The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless. sorry to pick on the words you use gandy   but we all get picked on for words now and then.. I think any normal thinking person agrees with you regarding female mutilation... however I am scratching my head on your remarks regarding the first  symbolic nicking.. procedure.. what the hell is symbolic about feeling inside a females genitalia???......and just taking a NICK. >:( would you mind if someone was commissioned  to put a symbolic instrument up your penis and take  a symbolic NICK?.. ::) ::) ::) this is more than child abuse....its filthy and barbaric,... someone is traumatised for life for what bloody benefit no one will ever know... and you call it BASICALLY HARMLESS... anyone doing anything with anyones private parts without their permission   is a child abuser.... there are no excuses  absolutely NONE.. its shocked me to be honest that gandy actually goes along with a medievil procedure...of no value whatever... it is all FGM.. get your hands off these babies.

I agree with you cods

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done?

Do you wonder that about your step-daughter?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter?

Gawd...there is always one sick puppy.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter?

What the actual bugger?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:55pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:45pm: And off it goes ... into madness. No chance for a reasoned discussion on FGC on this forum. You started it with reply #4 where you called me a misleading bastard for doing nothing more than posting the article. You're thread heading, dickhead. Which procedure? You don;t seem to want to say?

My thread heading was exactly the headline of the article I posted, I abbreviated Female genital mutilation to FGM.

Next question?

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Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:03pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:55pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:45pm: And off it goes ... into madness. No chance for a reasoned discussion on FGC on this forum. You started it with reply #4 where you called me a misleading bastard for doing nothing more than posting the article. You're thread heading, dickhead. Which procedure? You don;t seem to want to say? My thread heading was exactly the headline of the article I posted, I abbreviated Female genital mutilation to FGM. Next question?

Okay, so you stand by it. What procedure?

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done?

Why do you wonder that, Aussie?

And that's women born overseas, yeah? Good thing we gave them a home away from such influences, hey.

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Why do you wonder that, Aussie?

...and sure enough...the second sick puppy leaps in.

"symbolic nicking"

What a classic from the GrandMuftiAlf.

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:07pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:04pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Why do you wonder that, Aussie? ...and sure enough...the second sick puppy leaps in.

You're words, dude. Me, I wonder what I'll have for diner tonight.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:02pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger?

The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:08pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples?

Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be.

Even though it is not incestuous, it seems morally bankrupt to wonder about the genitalia and breasts of your step-children. My ex-girlfriend's 17yo daughter has big breasts and athletic legs. That does not mean that I had the right to declare opening about what body modifications she has.

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:11pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be.

I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports.

I WONDER why you suggest I did?

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be. I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports. I WONDER why you suggest I did?

What is the procedure?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be. I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports. I WONDER why you suggest I did? What is the procedure?

One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 1:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:56pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:35pm: I've posted 3 links and one from the Govt report. Shoot the messenger? Anyone who mutilates a little girl should be hanged. Are you going to do it yourself? Because I wonder how well you would go against the people who do female genital mutilation.

The law should hang them not me.

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:15pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be. I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports. I WONDER why you suggest I did? What is the procedure? One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true

No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone,

Please explain.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:19pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:15pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be. I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports. I WONDER why you suggest I did? What is the procedure? One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone, Please explain.

Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports.

Next question?

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:21pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:19pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:15pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be. I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports. I WONDER why you suggest I did? What is the procedure? One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone, Please explain. Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question?

Nope. You've put your name to a thread title. i assume to invite discussion?

What procedure have 53,000 women, not born here, had who live in Australia?

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Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question?

Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians.  Who do you think you are kidding?

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:

Quote: Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians.  Who do you think you are kidding?

I think he fooled Rhino. I don't think that's overly hard though.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:24pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:21pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:19pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:15pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be. I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports. I WONDER why you suggest I did? What is the procedure? One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone, Please explain. Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Nope. You've put your name to a thread title. i assume to invite discussion? What procedure have 53,000 women, not born here, had who live in Australia?

I won't play the appeasement game like you or Galdalf. It should all come under the the banner of FGM/C as shown in this government report.

Why are you a FGM/C appeaser?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:

Quote: Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians.  Who do you think you are kidding?

Actually, I usually just post the article, just as I've done here.

Ni
Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:26pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:24pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:21pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:19pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:15pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be. I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports. I WONDER why you suggest I did? What is the procedure? One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone, Please explain. Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Nope. You've put your name to a thread title. i assume to invite discussion? What procedure have 53,000 women, not born here, had who live in Australia? I won't play the appeasement game like you or Galdalf. It should all come under the the banner of FGM/C as shown in this government report. Why are you a FGM/C appeaser? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true

Typical Gordy attempt at deflection.

Why do you not want to represent these girls and women?

What sort of procedure have 53,000 girls and women not born in this country had?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:33pm:

Ni Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:31pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:26pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:24pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:21pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:19pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:15pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be. I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports. I WONDER why you suggest I did? What is the procedure? One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone, Please explain. Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Nope. You've put your name to a thread title. i assume to invite discussion? What procedure have 53,000 women, not born here, had who live in Australia? I won't play the appeasement game like you or Galdalf. It should all come under the the banner of FGM/C as shown in this government report. Why are you a FGM/C appeaser? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true Typical Gordy attempt at deflection. Why do you not want to represent these girls and women? What sort of procedure have 53,000 girls and women not born in this country had?

They've had FGM/C.

cods wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:32pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:53pm: What procedure, Gordy? Who are you speaking for? gandalf  has acknowledge two procedures.. one we all know about.. [horrific]..but the second??????? >:( Quote: As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia. The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless. sorry to pick on the words you use gandy   but we all get picked on for words now and then.. I think any normal thinking person agrees with you regarding female mutilation... however I am scratching my head on your remarks regarding the first  symbolic nicking.. procedure.. what the hell is symbolic about feeling inside a females genitalia???......and just taking a NICK. >:( would you mind if someone was commissioned  to put a symbolic instrument up your penis and take  a symbolic NICK?.. ::) ::) ::) this is more than child abuse....its filthy and barbaric,... someone is traumatised for life for what bloody benefit no one will ever know... and you call it BASICALLY HARMLESS... anyone doing anything with anyones private parts without their permission   is a child abuser.... there are no excuses  absolutely NONE.. its shocked me to be honest that gandy actually goes along with a medievil procedure...of no value whatever... it is all FGM.. get your hands off these babies.

Calling it symbolic nicking is really just trying to sugar coat FGM.


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A "ritual nick" too far In October 1992 a program went to air on ABC TV called Where Angels Fear to Tread on female genital mutilation. I was involved through a program the ABC offered to aspiring writers called Writer-in-Observation. The storyline was of a young schoolgirl of Muslim background who was brought to the surgery by her mother to have a procedure performed that involved female genital mutilation. This placed the doctors in a dilemma. It was a procedure that although not banned at the time was strongly advised against by the Australian Medical Association, leaving individual doctors to make their own ethical decisions. The arguments made were that if Australian doctors did not perform this procedure, it would, much like the abortion debate, lead to back-alley bungling or the girl being taken overseas to have the procedure. In 1994, two years after the screening of this episode, the AMA banned all forms of female genital mutilation Australia-wide. But, now here in Australia, it has been suggested that a "ritual nick" could be performed to appease cultural sensibilities in some Muslim communities. http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/doctors-dont-support-ritual-nicking-20100528-wi3t.html Doctors in London 30 years ago were forced to perform hysterectomies to save the lives of Middle Eastern women who had given birth after enduring female genital mutilation. In Muslim countries where these customs are still being observed, there are woman taking great risks, sometimes life threatening, to protect their young girls from these practices. They themselves want it to cease once and for all. If we in Australia legitimise these practices, however ritualistically, it will totally negate their work, their beliefs and their futures. Now is not the time to succumb to this tradition. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-ritual-nick-too-far-20100625-z8x2.html

The lefties have a lot in common with the Ayatollahs in defending Islam.  ::) ::)

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:33pm: Ni Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:31pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:26pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:24pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:21pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:19pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:15pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be. I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports. I WONDER why you suggest I did? What is the procedure? One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone, Please explain. Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Nope. You've put your name to a thread title. i assume to invite discussion? What procedure have 53,000 women, not born here, had who live in Australia? I won't play the appeasement game like you or Galdalf. It should all come under the the banner of FGM/C as shown in this government report. Why are you a FGM/C appeaser? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true Typical Gordy attempt at deflection. Why do you not want to represent these girls and women? What sort of procedure have 53,000 girls and women not born in this country had? They've had FGM/C.

Which is a range of procedures, many not involving mutilation, yes?

Quote:

A "ritual nick" too far In October 1992 a program went to air on ABC TV called Where Angels Fear to Tread on female genital mutilation. I was involved through a program the ABC offered to aspiring writers called Writer-in-Observation. The storyline was of a young schoolgirl of Muslim background who was brought to the surgery by her mother to have a procedure performed that involved female genital mutilation. This placed the doctors in a dilemma. It was a procedure that although not banned at the time was strongly advised against by the Australian Medical Association, leaving individual doctors to make their own ethical decisions. The arguments made were that if Australian doctors did not perform this procedure, it would, much like the abortion debate, lead to back-alley bungling or the girl being taken overseas to have the procedure. In 1994, two years after the screening of this episode, the AMA banned all forms of female genital mutilation Australia-wide. But, now here in Australia, it has been suggested that a "ritual nick" could be performed to appease cultural sensibilities in some Muslim communities. http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/doctors-dont-support-ritual-nicking-20100528-wi3t.html Doctors in London 30 years ago were forced to perform hysterectomies to save the lives of Middle Eastern women who had given birth after enduring female genital mutilation. In Muslim countries where these customs are still being observed, there are woman taking great risks, sometimes life threatening, to protect their young girls from these practices. They themselves want it to cease once and for all. If we in Australia legitimise these practices, however ritualistically, it will totally negate their work, their beliefs and their futures. Now is not the time to succumb to this tradition. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-ritual-nick-too-far-20100625-z8x2.html

thank you, Baronvort

Anyone who wasn't asleep learned to their distress about this vile tradition years ago

it results in

infections locally and in urinary tract

severe pain, difficulty and sometimes death in childbirth

obviously causes agony while performed, often via use of rusty/filthy razor blades

desexualisation of the victim lifelong


Thousands of clinical papers online in addition to further thousands of media articles for those with an interest in learning more


and the reason for mutilation of girls' primary sexual organs is ....?   What's the justification from the practitioners ?  What, if any, are the alleged benefits?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Quote: Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians.  Who do you think you are kidding? I think he fooled Rhino. I don't think that's overly hard though.

Why? because I didn't see something that's not there? You mentioned Muslims, not Gordon. I call it how I see it. Your almost hysterical defense of FGM is damning of you.

i guess it's a slow news day in India today.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:34pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:33pm: Ni Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:31pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:26pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:24pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:21pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:19pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:15pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Do you wonder that about your step-daughter? What the actual bugger? The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples? Because of what Gandalf posted.  FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be. I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports. I WONDER why you suggest I did? What is the procedure? One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone, Please explain. Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Nope. You've put your name to a thread title. i assume to invite discussion? What procedure have 53,000 women, not born here, had who live in Australia? I won't play the appeasement game like you or Galdalf. It should all come under the the banner of FGM/C as shown in this government report. Why are you a FGM/C appeaser? https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe230.pdf.aspx?inline=true Typical Gordy attempt at deflection. Why do you not want to represent these girls and women? What sort of procedure have 53,000 girls and women not born in this country had? They've had FGM/C. Which is a range of procedures, many not involving mutilation, yes?

I like you agree that any non medical procedure in wrong but it seems now you're appeasing. I won't be.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:38pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:18pm: tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:13pm: FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication.   Those 53000 people probably had it done else where.  It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop.  And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society.  And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.  I am not sure what Gordon is implying.  Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?  Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC. It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy. yet Muslims or Islam was not mentioned until you did. I'm a soothsayer.

Drama queen actually.

rhino wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:07pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:30pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Quote: Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians.  Who do you think you are kidding? I think he fooled Rhino. I don't think that's overly hard though. Why? because I didn't see something that's not there? You mentioned Muslims, not Gordon. I call it how I see it. Your almost hysterical defense of FGM is damning of you.

Pretty much. In reply 4 she called BS on the entire thing until I posted a Govt report. Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems.

rhino wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:15pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:43pm: rhino wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:38pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:18pm: tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:13pm: FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication.   Those 53000 people probably had it done else where.  It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop.  And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society.  And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.  I am not sure what Gordon is implying.  Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?  Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC. It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy. yet Muslims or Islam was not mentioned until you did. I'm a soothsayer. Drama queen actually.

Wanna bet?

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:16pm:

Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems.

and yet both have said they're opposed to any form of FGM


not the brightest spark are you :D

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:16pm: Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems. and yet both have said they're opposed to any form of FGM not the brightest spark are you :D

Vehemently and categorically.

Gordy is having a little tanty. Things haven't worked out so well for him today.

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:16pm: Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems. and yet both have said they're opposed to any form of FGM not the brightest spark are you :D

Nope. Galdalf is an apologist for category 4 and Mothra is trying to get me to distinguish between the different types when I've said I abhor them all.

No go back to the children's table, Dapto.

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:26pm:

Nope

you sure about that dopey? I can pull up the quotes if you like but I suspect you're just pretending you don't know what they actually said.

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:24pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:16pm: Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems. and yet both have said they're opposed to any form of FGM not the brightest spark are you :D Nope. Galdalf is an apologist for category 4 and Mothra is trying to get me to distinguish between the different types when I've said I abhor them all. No go back to the children's table, Dapto.

If that is what i am doing, how does that mean i condone FGC?

I merely trying to lead you towards being focused on the women and girls, not your agenda.

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:24pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:16pm: Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems. and yet both have said they're opposed to any form of FGM not the brightest spark are you :D Vehemently and categorically. Gordy is having a little tanty. Things haven't worked out so well for him today.

Both you and Gandy have been outed as a FGM apologist, and now we know the weird twisted things Aussie wonders about.

You're having a shocker!

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:24pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:16pm: Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems. and yet both have said they're opposed to any form of FGM not the brightest spark are you :D Vehemently and categorically. Gordy is having a little tanty. Things haven't worked out so well for him today.

gordys been having a tanty for a while now  ... maybe he's going through menopause?

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:28pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:26pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:24pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:16pm: Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems. and yet both have said they're opposed to any form of FGM not the brightest spark are you :D Vehemently and categorically. Gordy is having a little tanty. Things haven't worked out so well for him today. Both you and Gandy have been outed as a FGM apologist, and now we know the weird twisted things Aussie wonders about. You're having a shocker!

You lie because you have no argument.

Typical of you.

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:28pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:26pm: Nope you sure about that dopey? I can pull up the quotes if you like but I suspect you're just pretending you don't know what they actually said.

Smith, to ward off mental atrophy, why not give your brain some exercise and present some reasons here --- if you're able to find any -- which justify FGM

it's widely performed

migrants are prevented now from taking their daughters overseas in order to have them mutilated, despite it is not a requirement of Islam, according to Islamic authorities

taking a child overseas is not inexpensive

having one's child mutilated and trying to fly that child back to the host country when it's now illegal to do so, could only be the result of very strong motivation

whilst 'following tradition' might be partial motivation, what possible benefit for the child is to be gained by mutilating it? 

do you know, because if so, I at least would be interested in what you might have to contribute

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:16pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:07pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:30pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Quote: Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians.  Who do you think you are kidding? I think he fooled Rhino. I don't think that's overly hard though. Why? because I didn't see something that's not there? You mentioned Muslims, not Gordon. I call it how I see it. Your almost hysterical defense of FGM is damning of you. Pretty much. In reply 4 she called BS on the entire thing until I posted a Govt report. Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems.

this is in the op gordy..

Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of or injury to the external female genitalia or genital organs, such as stitching of the labia majora or pricking of the clitoris. It is performed on women and girls at a range of ages, including babies.

There is no medical reason for the procedure, which can result in infections, shock, bleeding, chronic pain, reproductive issues and death.


I think it covers mothras question  on WHAT PROCEDURE 

you are meant to call it CUTTING gordy... it sounds better.. ::) ::)


its a bit like telling someone whos just lost a leg its just a scratch get over it!

cods wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:16pm: rhino wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:07pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:30pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Quote: Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians.  Who do you think you are kidding? I think he fooled Rhino. I don't think that's overly hard though. Why? because I didn't see something that's not there? You mentioned Muslims, not Gordon. I call it how I see it. Your almost hysterical defense of FGM is damning of you. Pretty much. In reply 4 she called BS on the entire thing until I posted a Govt report. Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems. this is in the op gordy.. Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of or injury to the external female genitalia or genital organs, such as stitching of the labia majora or pricking of the clitoris. It is performed on women and girls at a range of ages, including babies. There is no medical reason for the procedure, which can result in infections, shock, bleeding, chronic pain, reproductive issues and death. I think it covers mothras question  on WHAT PROCEDURE  you are meant to call it CUTTING gordy... it sounds better.. ::) ::) its a bit like telling someone whos just lost a leg its just a scratch get over it!

What percentage of 53,000 women have undergone that, Cods?

Please tell me you learned something from our last discussion into this?

From reply #4 I've been personally attacked for posting this information while I've not made a single remark or comment.

I wonder why certain people are trying to deflect from discussing this serious issue?

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:41pm:

From reply #4 I've been personally attacked for posting this information while I've not made a single remark or comment. I wonder why certain people are trying to deflect from discussing this serious issue?

You're correct across the board


it's all crystal clear, don't worry

PZ547 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:33pm:

Smith, to ward off mental atrophy, why not give your brain some exercise and present some reasons here --- if you're able to find any -- which justify FGM

Why would I want to do that?  :o :o :o


And you claim you haven't got a mental disorder?  ;D ;D ;D

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:41pm:

From reply #4 I've been personally attacked for posting this information while I've not made a single remark or comment. I wonder why certain people are trying to deflect from discussing this serious issue?

I've tried desperately to try to get you to discuss the issue. You've just taken it as a personal attack.

PZ547 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:48pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:41pm: From reply #4 I've been personally attacked for posting this information while I've not made a single remark or comment. I wonder why certain people are trying to deflect from discussing this serious issue? You're correct across the board it's all crystal clear, don't worry

Oh good, Gordy. You've got Peez on board. Cred points to you.

In which ways would you  like to be agreed with?

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:41pm:

From reply #4 I've been personally attacked for posting this information while I've not made a single remark or comment. I wonder why certain people are trying to deflect from discussing this serious issue?

Really....I swear you tried to make some creepy and sleazy slur in my direction, you sick puppy.

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:50pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:33pm: Smith, to ward off mental atrophy, why not give your brain some exercise and present some reasons here --- if you're able to find any -- which justify FGM Why would I want to do that?  :o :o :o And you claim you haven't got a mental disorder?  ;D ;D ;D

ducking, weaving, hiding ….

you seem to think you're some sort of online ninja instead of a patently clueless stirrer

you're in the damn thread so contribute more than garbage occasionally

you were invited, i.e., offered the opportunity to contribute to the topic

you know how to google

all you needed do was google up the alleged benefits for the victim in FGM

if you weren't able to find any benefits for the victim, you could easily have said so and if you had, you could have earned a little respect for a change

but no.  you prefer to act like a five year old and serve simply to annoy, in the hope you can run the thread off the rails

and why?

obviously it's because FGM doesn't comply with a paid-to-post-for-peanuts agenda

The Saudi funders of The Promotion of the Spread of Islam in the West would vastly prefer that dumb Westerners not trouble their heads about aged crones hacking into little girls vaginas with rusty blades --- it doesn't foster that Religion of Peace message

nevertheless, FGM continues.  Women -- if we should call them that --- sacrifice their little daughters to the vile cult under which they serve.  And fathers -- we should not call them that -- insist their daughters' feminity be desecrated, destroyed.  Because they're afraid to think for themselves and too gutless to be any sort of men.  To maintain their fragile sense of ownership and masculinity, they must destroy their daughters' bodies in order they, the father and owner of those bodies and minds, can hold up their insane heads before all the other men insane heads in their community


and that's ok by some in this thread


they don't want us to discuss it or even think about it


and in their desperation to close down discussion, they send in the putrid clowns

Fkkk there are some weirdos on here. Mussie lovers at heart. Bloody disgusting traitorous scum.
I won't read the whole thread but I get the gist that the usual argumentative "discussion equalisers" are condoning female genital mutilation. WOW.
These women come from countries that do this everyday....into a country that is supposed to shout it down...yet....some on here are arguing it's okay???? WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FKKK IS WRONG WITH YOU LOT????

Shouldn't be hard for the suni's to push sharia law through then. Sick fuqqers......and I get screamed down for wanting to torture a kiddy killer. You carrnts are off tap.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:07pm:

Fkkk there are some weirdos on here. Mussie lovers at heart. Bloody disgusting traitorous scum. I won't read the whole thread but I get the gist that the usual argumentative "discussion equalisers" are condoning female genital mutilation. WOW. These women come from countries that do this everyday....into a country that is supposed to shout it down...yet....some on here are arguing it's okay???? WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FKKK IS WRONG WITH YOU LOT???? Shouldn't be hard for the suni's to push sharia law through then. Sick fuqqers......and I get screamed down for wanting to torture a kiddy killer. You carrnts are off tap.

Rhino?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:13pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:07pm: Fkkk there are some weirdos on here. Mussie lovers at heart. Bloody disgusting traitorous scum. I won't read the whole thread but I get the gist that the usual argumentative "discussion equalisers" are condoning female genital mutilation. WOW. These women come from countries that do this everyday....into a country that is supposed to shout it down...yet....some on here are arguing it's okay???? WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FKKK IS WRONG WITH YOU LOT???? Shouldn't be hard for the suni's to push sharia law through then. Sick fuqqers......and I get screamed down for wanting to torture a kiddy killer. You carrnts are off tap. Rhino?

Nah.....but I do suggest that instead of ranting stupidly that Caveman read the Thread.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:07pm:

Fkkk there are some weirdos on here. Mussie lovers at heart. Bloody disgusting traitorous scum. I won't read the whole thread but I get the gist that the usual argumentative "discussion equalisers" are condoning female genital mutilation. WOW. These women come from countries that do this everyday....into a country that is supposed to shout it down...yet....some on here are arguing it's okay???? WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FKKK IS WRONG WITH YOU LOT???? Shouldn't be hard for the suni's to push sharia law through then. Sick fuqqers......and I get screamed down for wanting to torture a kiddy killer. You carrnts are off tap.

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PZ547 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:05pm:

you know how to google

doesn't mean I'm going to do your googling for you. :D :D

if you want to know the benefits of it, you look them up. Me? I have no desire to see what dumb excuses people use to do this sort of crap. But you go right on ahead and knock yourself out.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:07pm:

I get the gist that the usual argumentative "discussion equalisers" are condoning female genital mutilation. WOW.

really? where is that exactly? It's obvious that you haven't read the thread, but surely you have some basis for making such a dumb comment?

Quote:

The Saudi funders of The Promotion of the Spread of Islam in the West would vastly prefer that dumb Westerners not trouble their heads about aged crones hacking into little girls vaginas with rusty blades --- it doesn't foster that Religion of Peace message nevertheless, FGM continues.  Women -- if we should call them that --- sacrifice their little daughters to the vile cult under which they serve.  And fathers -- we should not call them that -- insist their daughters' feminity be desecrated, destroyed.  Because they're afraid to think for themselves and too gutless to be any sort of men.  To maintain their fragile sense of ownership and masculinity, they must destroy their daughters' bodies in order they, the father and owner of those bodies and minds, can hold up their insane heads before all the other men insane heads in their community and that's ok by some in this thread they don't want us to discuss it or even think about it and in their desperation to close down discussion, they send in the putrid clowns

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:07pm:

Fkkk there are some weirdos on here. Mussie lovers at heart. Bloody disgusting traitorous scum. I won't read the whole thread but I get the gist that the usual argumentative "discussion equalisers" are condoning female genital mutilation. WOW. These women come from countries that do this everyday....into a country that is supposed to shout it down...yet....some on here are arguing it's okay???? WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FKKK IS WRONG WITH YOU LOT???? Shouldn't be hard for the suni's to push sharia law through then. Sick fuqqers......and I get screamed down for wanting to torture a kiddy killer. You carrnts are off tap.

This is delusional.

What you said does not make any sense.  If you go down the basic side of things, the whole thing about FGM is about control.  Control as in if I .. the authority can control your body by cutting you, 'marking' you at birth, then I get to keep your fertility under my control.  Thats simply it.  Its not purely about religion, its about control.  Its something conjured up by mankind, carried out by mankind.  FGM is about control and abuse.

HOWEVER, by recognizing and respecting the lawful practice of someone's faith, is the exact opposite of control and abuse.  I encourage to at least read in to the 2013 UNCEF report on FGM before you make such an outrages statement.

If that figure is correct, it is a disgrace and should incur the most severe punishment.

It is perhaps one thing for an immigrant/refugee to arrive her already chopped up - but any move or assistance to have it done here should be punished with adequate laws to address the issue.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:34pm:

If that figure is correct, it is a disgrace and should incur the most severe punishment. It is perhaps one thing for an immigrant/refugee to arrive her already chopped up - but any move or assistance to have it done here should be punished with adequate laws to address the issue.

what are you babbling about old man? the figures are from people who moved here from other countries. No one is saying they had it done here.

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:17pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:05pm: you know how to google doesn't mean I'm going to do your googling for you. :D :D if you want to know the benefits of it, you look them up. Me? I have no desire to see what dumb excuses people use to do this sort of crap. But you go right on ahead and knock yourself out.

Do it for yourself and to enlighten us unwashed out here, then.... you're always welcome to offer some solid contribution for a change.  Put your googling where your mouth is....

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:36pm:

cods wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:16pm: rhino wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:07pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:30pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Quote: Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians.  Who do you think you are kidding? I think he fooled Rhino. I don't think that's overly hard though. Why? because I didn't see something that's not there? You mentioned Muslims, not Gordon. I call it how I see it. Your almost hysterical defense of FGM is damning of you. Pretty much. In reply 4 she called BS on the entire thing until I posted a Govt report. Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems. this is in the op gordy.. Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of or injury to the external female genitalia or genital organs, such as stitching of the labia majora or pricking of the clitoris. It is performed on women and girls at a range of ages, including babies. There is no medical reason for the procedure, which can result in infections, shock, bleeding, chronic pain, reproductive issues and death. I think it covers mothras question  on WHAT PROCEDURE  you are meant to call it CUTTING gordy... it sounds better.. ::) ::) its a bit like telling someone whos just lost a leg its just a scratch get over it! What percentage of 53,000 women have undergone that, Cods? Please tell me you learned something from our last discussion into this?

Quote:

An estimated 53,000 women and girls born overseas and now living in Australia have undergone female genital mutilation in their lifetime, data released by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare on Wednesday found.

JUDGING BY THE OP...

100% OF THAT 53000 HAS ALMOST CERTAINLY HAD THE OPERATION..

I did read the op did you? 

this is the second question you have asked  and it clearly give you the answers...

gordy c&p a report... exactly what you do... he thought it  would make an interesting topic....just like you do...

gody hasnt gone out of his way to turn this into  you said no you said.. thread....

do you realise the more people who become aware of this and talk about it....no not agree... but just talk the more chance there will be for this to end  who knows even in your lifetime...

the more its hidden away  shhhhh lets call it cutting and not mutilating!   just in case we offend all those creeps who actually make money doing the cutting.. >:( >:( >:(

lets scream it from the highest mountain....

perhaps you havent got daughters mothra   but one day you may have a granddaughter...

  I think its best to call it what it is....

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:36pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:34pm: If that figure is correct, it is a disgrace and should incur the most severe punishment. It is perhaps one thing for an immigrant/refugee to arrive her already chopped up - but any move or assistance to have it done here should be punished with adequate laws to address the issue. what are you babbling about old man? the figures are from people who moved here from other countries. No one is saying they had it done here.

So you have no issue with my post, young turkey, other than it was my post?  Figures.... what are YOU talking about?  Bloody apologist... you won't shout me down, you clown.... I'm on the Gold Coast right now... trawling for your kind......

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:17pm: PZ547 wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:05pm: you know how to google doesn't mean I'm going to do your googling for you. :D :D if you want to know the benefits of it, you look them up. Me? I have no desire to see what dumb excuses people use to do this sort of crap. But you go right on ahead and knock yourself out. Do it for yourself and to enlighten us unwashed out here, then.... you're always welcome to offer some solid contribution for a change.  Put your googling where your mouth is....

another moron. Here, I've highlighted the most relevant bit for you.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:36pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:34pm: If that figure is correct, it is a disgrace and should incur the most severe punishment. It is perhaps one thing for an immigrant/refugee to arrive her already chopped up - but any move or assistance to have it done here should be punished with adequate laws to address the issue. what are you babbling about old man? the figures are from people who moved here from other countries. No one is saying they had it done here. So you have no issue with my post, young turkey, other than it was my post?  Figures.... what are YOU talking about?  Bloody apologist... you won't shout me down, you clown.... I'm on the Gold Coast right now... trawling for your kind......

maybe you need to read my comment again

cods wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:39pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:36pm: cods wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:16pm: rhino wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:07pm: mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:30pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Quote: Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports. Next question? Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians.  Who do you think you are kidding? I think he fooled Rhino. I don't think that's overly hard though. Why? because I didn't see something that's not there? You mentioned Muslims, not Gordon. I call it how I see it. Your almost hysterical defense of FGM is damning of you. Pretty much. In reply 4 she called BS on the entire thing until I posted a Govt report. Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems. this is in the op gordy.. Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of or injury to the external female genitalia or genital organs, such as stitching of the labia majora or pricking of the clitoris. It is performed on women and girls at a range of ages, including babies. There is no medical reason for the procedure, which can result in infections, shock, bleeding, chronic pain, reproductive issues and death. I think it covers mothras question  on WHAT PROCEDURE  you are meant to call it CUTTING gordy... it sounds better.. ::) ::) its a bit like telling someone whos just lost a leg its just a scratch get over it! What percentage of 53,000 women have undergone that, Cods? Please tell me you learned something from our last discussion into this? [quote]An estimated 53,000 women and girls born overseas and now living in Australia have undergone female genital mutilation in their lifetime, data released by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare on Wednesday found.

JUDGING BY THE OP...

100% OF THAT 53000 HAS ALMOST CERTAINLY HAD THE OPERATION..

I did read the op did you? 

this is the second question you have asked  and it clearly give you the answers...

gordy c&p a report... exactly what you do... he thought it  would make an interesting topic....just like you do...

gody hasnt gone out of his way to turn this into  you said no you said.. thread....

do you realise the more people who become aware of this and talk about it....no not agree... but just talk the more chance there will be for this to end  who knows even in your lifetime...

the more its hidden away  shhhhh lets call it cutting and not mutilating!   just in case we offend all those creeps who actually make money doing the cutting.. >:( >:( >:(

lets scream it from the highest mountain....

perhaps you havent got daughters mothra   but one day you may have a granddaughter...

  I think its best to call it what it is....[/quote]

Which operation, Cods?

Are you telling me you learned nothing from our last foray into this?

Which procedure?

Which operation?

Mutilated?

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:41pm:

Which operation, Cods? Are you telling me you learned nothing from our last foray into this? Which procedure? Which operation? Mutilated?

you find it really hard to deal dont you pet..

as far as Westerners are concerned there is

ONLY ONE

MUTILATION OF FEMALE GENITALIA


Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is



it is the only one I know of......ask gandalf.....about the other   HARMLESS ONE.... I am sure you will agree with him..



is this person really that dense?...

52,000 in Australia, we are supporting importing this culture, multiculturalism yippee.

"symbolic nicking" Good one Grandalf.

Some women don't have a clitoris, or at least not visible to the eye, so what do the muslim butchers do if they can't see one?, send the women home, or guess where it is and cut away anyway?

Mothra?

Anyone?

cods wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:41pm: Which operation, Cods? Are you telling me you learned nothing from our last foray into this? Which procedure? Which operation? Mutilated? you find it really hard to deal dont you pet.. as far as Westerners are concerned there is ONLY ONE MUTILATION OF FEMALE GENITALIA Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is it is the only one I know of......ask gandalf.....about the other   HARMLESS ONE.... I am sure you will agree with him.. is this person really that dense?...

There are actually four types of FGC, Cods. You should know this. I've told you repeatedly before.

It just goes to show. You simply don't read what's been posted to you.

There's no point trying to talk to you. No point at all.

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done?

Whoever responds to Aussie personal share will be ripe for suspension (which is why he shared it) ...

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 4:41pm: From reply #4 I've been personally attacked for posting this information while I've not made a single remark or comment. I wonder why certain people are trying to deflect from discussing this serious issue? I've tried desperately to try to get you to discuss the issue. You've just taken it as a personal attack.

You're only focused on the different catagories of FGM because you're backing up Gandy who wants Cat4 removed from all mention.

Categories 1-4 are FGM and I won't differentiate between them.

If you think ANY non medical procedure on a babies clitoris is ethical then we hold very different values.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:23pm:

From the article: Quote: Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of or injury to the external female genitalia or genital organs, such as stitching of the labia majora or pricking of the clitoris. It is performed on women and girls at a range of ages, including babies. As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia. The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless. While not endorsing any kind of female circumcision, it is dishonest and misleading not to make this distinction IMO.

What BS ... if you believe anything involved is symbolic .... and or nothing as you imply ... then you're deluded.

If it's nothing ... why go near their genitals with a blade at all?

AiA wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 7:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? Whoever responds to Aussie personal share will be ripe for suspension (which is why he shared it) ...

So just quote him verbatim. What did you wonder about today, AiA? Clits and nips?

What sort of a sick, twisted, barbaric , moronic , primitive CULT would practice such a disgusting practice.

Destroying a woman's ability to enjoy sex, what a great idea the primitives say.

But there is logic in it.

Muzzos are all so pathetic, so incapable of satisfying a woman's needs.
They have to stop women ever enjoying sex at all.
And by covering their body from head to toe, the woman never gets a chance to meet a real man, other than the pathetic pseudo man muzzo.

If a muzzo Sheila had a real man, they would leave the CULT of DEATH in droves.
The word would get out and muzzos would have only their goats to screw.

Muzzo women dont know what an orgasm is.
Multiple organisms are a myth to muzzos

But when a muzzo man only last 15 seconds, no woman is ever going to be pleasured.

Pathetic goat  fu#$%re.

What a joke
No wonder they are so angry all the time.
They know they are pathetic with teeny, tiny peni

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 7:02pm:

cods wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:59pm: [quote author=mothra link=1560737366/119#119 date=1560757299] Which operation, Cods? Are you telling me you learned nothing from our last foray into this? Which procedure? Which operation? you find it really hard to deal dont you pet.. as far as Westerners are concerned there is ONLY ONE MUTILATION OF FEMALE GENITALIA Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is it is the only one I know of......ask gandalf.....about the other   HARMLESS ONE.... I am sure you will agree with him.. is this person really that dense?... There are actually four types of FGC, Cods. You should know this. I've told you repeatedly before. It just goes to show. You simply don't read what's been posted to you. There's no point trying to talk to you. No point at all.

I agree... we have not a thing in common..

but what about mutilation...there really is only one kind of mutilation that leaves these women with no idea about what an orgasim is...because she is not meant to enjoy love making ever!

the real reason for this PROCEDURE    >:(

an awful lot of children DIE from having this PROCEDURE without their consent... its 2019 for gods sakes..

so thats what I call mutilation....

you have different versions I understand you want o almost make it sound "classy"..

4 TYPES.....all HARMLESS  I am sure..

but all violating a childs body   


which appears to be ok with you. >:( >:( >:(


so sure it is a waste of time talking to you....

Gnads wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 7:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:23pm: From the article: Quote: Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of or injury to the external female genitalia or genital organs, such as stitching of the labia majora or pricking of the clitoris. It is performed on women and girls at a range of ages, including babies. As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia. The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless. While not endorsing any kind of female circumcision, it is dishonest and misleading not to make this distinction IMO. What BS ... if you believe anything involved is symbolic .... and or nothing as you imply ... then you're deluded. If it's nothing ... why go near their genitals with a blade at all?

why go their with fingers   uninvited..AT ALL..


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