15 minutes of essential viewing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDtKFbXoQ6Q

Shame that is in that format.  Like to see it in print to quote from it.  Jayzuz.

it is from Green piss so it must be true. ;)

lee wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:17pm:

it is from Green piss so it must be true. ;)

Too many facts presented for it not to be true.  If it is not, then let those like Turnbull and Abbott etc deny what is presented which is quite damning.  Did you watch it, Lee?

They also feature Greta Thunberg of Sweden.

Where they are starting to worry about the effect of renewables on their electricity grid. Blackouts apparently.

lee wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:17pm:

it is from Green piss so it must be true. ;)

what part of that do you think is not true? and why?


or are you just here for more of your usual deflections?

Aussie wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:20pm:

Did you watch it, Lee?

it's a 15 min video, and his reply was 10 mins after mothra posted it ..... do you think he watched it?  :D :D

Aussie wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:20pm:

Too many facts presented for it not to be true.

Seeing as you obviously watched it - What facts?


Aussie wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:20pm:

Did you watch it, Lee?

No. I don't do youtube. I don't happen to think what appears on youtube to generally be truthful. Give me a scientific paper.

lee wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:43pm:

Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:20pm: Too many facts presented for it not to be true. Seeing as you obviously watched it - What facts? Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:20pm: Did you watch it, Lee? No. I don't do youtube. I don't happen to think what appears on youtube to generally be truthful. Give me a scientific paper.

It's a political thing Leigh, not science.  Some very disturbing allegations made.  Watch it, or far cough as irrelevant.

Aussie wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:45pm:

Some very disturbing allegations made.

So some v e r y disturbing allegations are made, but not disturbing enough to enunciate. OK. ;)

lee wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:17pm:

it is from Green piss so it must be true. ;)

The findings are those of an investigative journalist who spent 8 years working as a columnist for The Australian.

lee wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:45pm: Some very disturbing allegations made.  So some v e r y disturbing allegations are made, but not disturbing enough to enunciate. OK. ;)

Watch it or leave the Thread.  I'm not here to be your Secretary.

lee wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:45pm: Some very disturbing allegations made.  So some v e r y disturbing allegations are made, but not disturbing enough to enunciate. OK. ;)

May i suggest if you don;t want to watch a 15 minute video of the subject matter, you cease commenting upon the subject matter?

I want to move in from coal but what a pity the greens are so schitscared of nuclear reactors.

We should have 5 brand news nuclear power facilities asap.

Gordon wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:00pm:

I want to move in from coal but what a pity the greens are so schitscared of nuclear reactors. We should have 5 brand news nuclear power facilities asap.

I'll drink to that.

Seeing as you know so much about it; maybe you can tell us these facts. ;)

I'm also pro wind, solar, tide,hydro,pumped hyrdo...the lot, but we need nukes as a backbone that will pump it out all day 24/7.

When cars start to get off petrol and onto lekky, watch the power demands skyrocket.

Something we also need to address irrespective of whether you believe in AGW or not, the weather is changing and the population is growing.

We may need to depend (more) on desalination for our drinking water and hydroponic crops for food. These are both very power hungry options.

we don't need nukes.

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:22pm:

we don't need nukes.

Yes we do.

Gordon wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:26pm:

John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do.

no we don't. We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope.

Gordon wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:17pm:

I'm also pro wind, solar, tide,hydro,pumped hyrdo...the lot, but we need nukes as a backbone that will pump it out all day 24/7. When cars start to get off petrol and onto lekky, watch the power demands skyrocket. Something we also need to address irrespective of whether you believe in AGW or not, the weather is changing and the population is growing. We may need to depend (more) on desalination for our drinking water and hydroponic crops for food. These are both very power hungry options.

we do get a fair share of rain gordy   we just dont know how to save it for future use..we have amazing resources ... even snow....but we are a nation of "waste' 

.. she will be right... ::) ::) more where that came from..  :(

I prefer to look for solutions rather than play the blame game..

we are all living breathing polluters   we are all responsible...

yet we get off at pointing the finger at someone else...

I havent worked out what that achieves... have you?.

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:28pm:

Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:26pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do. no we don't. We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope.

Nuke stations are like insurance and can pump out power no matter what is going on.

Why are you so afraid of them?

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:28pm:

We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope.

perhaps you have a map, a number of these suitable locations?

have you cleared them with the Greens yet?

Gordon wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:26pm:

John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do.

absolutely!   and they have to find a way for us to live with it... or at least the future generations....

if they can find a way for us to live on another planet.. then they can find a solution for this one....

I know which one I would prioritise.. ::)

Aussie wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:20pm:

lee wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:17pm: it is from Green piss so it must be true. ;) Too many facts presented for it not to be true.  If it is not, then let those like Turnbull and Abbott etc deny what is presented which is quite damning.  Did you watch it, Lee?

It is agit-prop. Listen to the breathless delivery. look at the imagery.  It's pure propaganda.

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:32pm:

Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:20pm: lee wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:17pm: it is from Green piss so it must be true. ;) Too many facts presented for it not to be true.  If it is not, then let those like Turnbull and Abbott etc deny what is presented which is quite damning.  Did you watch it, Lee? It is agit-prop. Listen to the breathless delivery. look at the imagery.  It's pure propaganda.

Propaganda?  Huh?  Real names revealed and their close connection with Libs.  Did you not see that?

If any of that was false, there'd be defamation suits flying everywhere.

Nuclear Reactors are the 'YELLOW' Man's 'Fire'.
Play with it at your own YELLOW PERIL.

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:28pm:

Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:26pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do. no we don't. We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope.

Yes renewables will be able to cope when all heavy industry is gone and all that's left is cottage industry..... and when they move half the populations out of our capital cities.

Pumped hydro will be as dear as poison.

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:28pm:

Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:26pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do. no we don't. We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope.

I do agree we don't need nuclear.

So the GREENS have something 'better' to offer the people of this country?
If so, well - as they say "SHOW ME THE MONEY!"
If not, then cough up the dreadlocked 'concubines' for this Conan's lust for life.

Either way, they seem pre-occupied with bitter attacks against an already established Political 'representation' in power. Their very 'Anti' direction, seems to distract them from their 'own direction'.

Greens in their Military cargo khaki and dark green pants for want of being the Serpents of South America.

lee wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:31pm:

John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:28pm: We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope. perhaps you have a map, a number of these suitable locations? have you cleared them with the Greens yet?

perhaps you can farq off and do your own dirty work?

Gordon wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:30pm:

John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:28pm: Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:26pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do. no we don't. We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope. Nuke stations are like insurance and can pump out power no matter what is going on. Why are you so afraid of them?

And what insurance do we take against cities becoming a nuclear wasteland? The nuclear option is a lazy cop out. We don't need it. 

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:32pm:

Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:20pm: lee wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:17pm: it is from Green piss so it must be true. ;) Too many facts presented for it not to be true.  If it is not, then let those like Turnbull and Abbott etc deny what is presented which is quite damning.  Did you watch it, Lee? It is agit-prop. Listen to the breathless delivery. look at the imagery.  It's pure propaganda.

  not forgetting the WE HAVE ONLY 12 years  to get climate change sorted.....from the very deep UN...
opening...

a little more than Al Gore gave us...ooops  the world will end in 2013... ::)...I dont think it did..but Greenpeace might not remember that PANIC prediction..

I like hearing the UN on topics like this....

the UN  for goodness sakes they are well known for fixing everything...

Gnads wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:28pm: Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:26pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do. no we don't. We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope. Yes renewables will be able to cope when all heavy industry is gone and all that's left is cottage industry..... and when they move half the populations out of our capital cities. Pumped hydro will be as dear as poison.

why will pumped hydro be dear? You use solar to pump the water up into the storage dams during the day, and at night when solar panels aren't charging, you release the water to create electricity . It's a loop that once operational should be relatively cheap to operate.

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:30pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:28pm: Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:26pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do. no we don't. We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope. Nuke stations are like insurance and can pump out power no matter what is going on. Why are you so afraid of them? And what insurance do we take against cities becoming a nuclear wasteland? The nuclear option is a lazy cop out. We don't need it.

Has Sydney disappeared?

Aussie wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:03pm: Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:30pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:28pm: Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:26pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do. no we don't. We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope. Nuke stations are like insurance and can pump out power no matter what is going on. Why are you so afraid of them? And what insurance do we take against cities becoming a nuclear wasteland? The nuclear option is a lazy cop out. We don't need it.  Has Sydney disappeared?

does every insured house burn down?

No...and that's why insurance companies exist.

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:01pm:

perhaps you can farq off and do your own dirty work?

So you don't have the courage of your convictions. You are the one made the claim. It is up to you to prove it. That's the way it works. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Poor John. Caught up in his own fantasies.

Aussie wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:08pm:

No...and that's why insurance companies exist.

and that is also why Sydney is still there. ;)

lee wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:12pm:

John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:01pm: perhaps you can farq off and do your own dirty work? So you don't have the courage of your convictions. You are the one made the claim. It is up to you to prove it. That's the way it works. ;D ;D ;D ;D Poor John. Caught up in his own fantasies.

meanwhile, you can keep fantasising about me.  ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:15pm:

Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:08pm: No...and that's why insurance companies exist. and that is also why Sydney is still there. ;)

No, it is there because that nuclear power plant has not nuked the joint.

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:16pm:

meanwhile, you can keep fantasising about me

Ooh Nightmare City film at 11. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Aussie wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:08pm:

No...and that's why insurance companies exist.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You funny f*ucker!
Insurance Companies don't even pay out on Floods, Droughs, Cyclones and Fires, unless its only at a 20% loss Nationally.

btw - IS THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENTS OF LNP/ALP GOING TO TAKE THIS MOB TO COURT LIKE USA HAS GONE FOR ASSANGE WITH WIKILEAKS? OR ARE THEY REALLY TOO PISSWEAK?

Poll added.

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:32pm:

Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:20pm: lee wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:17pm: it is from Green piss so it must be true. ;) Too many facts presented for it not to be true.  If it is not, then let those like Turnbull and Abbott etc deny what is presented which is quite damning.  Did you watch it, Lee? It is agit-prop. Listen to the breathless delivery. look at the imagery.  It's pure propaganda.

It is just a reporting of verifiable facts regarding the utter corruption of the LNP.

There is absolutely nothing in it to dispute.

Aussie wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:08pm: No...and that's why insurance companies exist. and that is also why Sydney is still there. ;) No, it is there because that nuclear power plant has not nuked the joint.

it's only about 60 years old .... it has another 24 000 yrs before it can be deemed safe.

What do you think any potential enemy will target if they decide to bomb us at any time over the next 24 000 years?

mothra wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:06pm:

15 minutes of essential viewing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDtKFbXoQ6Q

No real surprises in the interconnections with politics/politicians both LNP and Labor and people from the coal/resource councils swapping jobs to and from & vice versa.

Nor with the players involved - Rhinehart, Adani, Forest, Rio, Mitsubishi & British Mitsui Alliance, Glencore, Peabody etc. and the Chinese Govt.

And also playing in this field is the fat slug Clive Palmer, his mine project next door to Adani is a bigger project than Adani.

It was the same findings in the RC into the banking industry re: the failure of the regulator the ASIC to monitor or follow up on concerns about shonky practise and employees swapping from ASIC to major banks and back again.

The donations to the previously unheard of Great Barrier Reef Foundation with its dodgy executive has and continues to cause derision on the LNP.

What I don't like about this investigative report is that it's done by Green Peace.... they play the lobby and deception game as well.

I completely agree we don't need anymore coal mines opening in Australia(though there is the jobs issue) as we already have 55 plus coal mines already operating.

But I honestly believe that we still need and should still use coal fired power stations.

Everyone is on and on about the improvements in technology for all renewables...... do you not think that technological innovation has not been made in coal fired power station arena?

The Japanese are building new HELE stations in lieu of nuclear.

The coal option should be cheap for us..... after all electricity supply really is an essential service.

And in retrospect we wouldn't enjoy the lifestyle we do today without fossil fuel.

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:05pm:

Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:55pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:28pm: Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:26pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do. no we don't. We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope. Yes renewables will be able to cope when all heavy industry is gone and all that's left is cottage industry..... and when they move half the populations out of our capital cities. Pumped hydro will be as dear as poison. why will pumped hydro be dear? You use solar to pump the water up into the storage dams during the day, and at night when solar panels aren't charging, you release the water to create electricity . It's a loop that once operational should be relatively cheap to operate.

Do you know how large the electric motors that run the pumps will be? Solar and batteries won't do the job. It's off peak coal power that will be required to pump up. The hydro will only be a supplement to peak demands.

Aussie wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:03pm: Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:30pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:28pm: Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:26pm: John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:22pm: we don't need nukes. Yes we do. no we don't. We have more than enough suitable locations for pumped hydro for when we need a boost, the rest of the time renewable will be more than able to cope. Nuke stations are like insurance and can pump out power no matter what is going on. Why are you so afraid of them? And what insurance do we take against cities becoming a nuclear wasteland? The nuclear option is a lazy cop out. We don't need it.  Has Sydney disappeared?

Sydney is not nuclear powered ::)

It has a small reactor at Lucas Heights  for nuclear and medical research purposes.(edit)

So...has it nuked Sydney?

The HARKONNENS (USA) are mining ARRAKIS here for its precious 'Spice' of Life.
The GREEN HOUSE ATRIEDES are gathering their FREMEN forces of DUNE from the deepest south as the ride the Aboriginal Rainbow Serpent 'Spice Worms'.
The C.H.O.A.M international conglomerates and the Royal Emperor (Britain) are also siding with the HARKONNENS.

So, I'm more than happy to work for House Atreides - but I need to see more from them, if I am to be convinced to support them in any way.

MUAD'DIB

:D

Gnads wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:

Do you know how large the electric motors that run the pumps will be? Solar and batteries won't do the job. It's off peak coal power that will be required to pump up. The hydro will only be a supplement to peak demands.

not my area of expertise I'm afraid. I'm sure with developments in technology and improved batteries, we will get to where it is possible sooner rather than later. It's not like anyone is suggesting we shut down all coal generators immediately

It wasn't that long ago they were claiming electric cars can't tow. That's changing already and electric cars are still at the infancy stage. ;)

John Smith wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:52pm:

Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:47pm: Do you know how large the electric motors that run the pumps will be? Solar and batteries won't do the job. It's off peak coal power that will be required to pump up. The hydro will only be a supplement to peak demands. not my area of expertise I'm afraid. I'm sure with developments in technology and improved batteries, we will get to where it is possible sooner rather than later. It's not like anyone is suggesting we shut down all coal generators immediately It wasn't that long ago they were claiming electric cars can't tow. That's changing already and electric cars are still at the infancy stage. ;)

How far can they tow? Round the block?

We haven't even really started the electric car push yet.....

The base Hyundai that is due to launch here is a small vehicle and starts at $60,000.

They couldn't tow shyte and that goes for Teslas and whatever else is available now.

I'm planning a large-ish solar array on the new house, plus a wind generator...... and eventually batteries.  As the prices continue to rise, a tipping over point will be reached at which I'll cut off the connection, stop paying them the access fee to give them freebies, and go stand alone in the middle of a large town.

Simple enough - the lot the ex is signed up with will transfer - they pay a princely 7c a Kw to you and charge 27, while stinging you $300 a quarter to be hooked up.  I'll probably be giving them $180 free power a month and pay them for the privilege and getting about $55 back .... doesn't sound like good business to me.

Gnads wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

How far can they tow? Round the block?

there you go, around the block already .... like i said, electric cars are still at the infancy stage. Another decade and they'll be towing all over the country.

By the way, I'm not so sure about that around the block comment ... tesla and Daimler have already developed electric semi's that can tow cargo of up to 26 000kg. As that develops and is refined further it will transfer to cars.