Katherine tradesman Dwayne Beaumont killed in Darwin workplace incident   :(

ABC News
April 30 2019


Katherine man Dwayne Beaumont is being remembered as someone with so much "more life to give" in the wake of his death in a Darwin workplace incident.


Mr Beaumont, 28, worked for Batchelor-based aerial application services company Aerotech, which builds water-bomber aircraft.

It is understood Mr Beaumont was hiring an excavator at a heavy equipment rental yard in Berrimah on Monday afternoon when he was fatally injured.

Family and friends have begun posting their tributes to the much-loved member of the Top End community onto social media.

"My heart aches for this young man, so much more life to live … Sending all my love back home," posted one family member.

Others commented that the incident was "so sad" and "such a tragic day".

An employee from Aerotech on Monday confirmed the death but would not comment.

On Aerotech's website, a profile of Mr Beaumont said: "Dwayne manages the ground operations for Aerotech NT and is a Katherine local."

"He has worked for Aerotech NT since 2009 after mustering cattle at Mountain Valley Station north-east of Katherine near Daly Waters and Maryfield Station south of Katherine," the website read.

"Dwayne has in-depth local knowledge, good agricultural skills and knows the local area well."

The exact circumstances surrounding Mr Beaumont's death remain under investigation by NT WorkSafe and NT Police.
NT Government to introduce new industrial laws

In the wake of Mr Beaumont's death, the NT Government has announced it would push to introduce new industrial manslaughter laws into Parliament, with the hope of passing them before the end of 2019.   :)

Mr Beaumont's worksite death came after a number of fatalities and serious injuries on job sites in the NT in recent years.

In February, a man was critically injured when a 1.5-tonne electrical switchboard fell on him at Palmerston police station.

One month later, a man was killed in the outback town of Tennant Creek in an electrical accident at the Tennant Creek Fire Station.   :(

The litany of incidents prompted a Worksafe review and Unions NT boss Joel Bowden has previously said that the Territory has the worst work safety record in the country.

Not to take away from the OP, but it would be of interest to most, imo, to learn about the conditions faced by workers during the construction of the Sydney Harbour Bridge

primitive technology by today's standards

hundreds employed

range of extremely hazardous conditions

yet only a handful died

Men in their 60s atop the structure, in heavy woollen clothing, belts of rope and with pipes clenched firmly between their teeth

no safety harnesses

atrocious weather conditions quite often

under time and other pressures

fascinating to see the photos and read about the tasks they had to complete.  Hundreds of thousands of rivets forged up on the bridge in the open air.  Passed hand to hand using basic tools, then hammered into position using brute strength while balancing hundreds of feet in the air

then the climb down and the trudge home to a piece of mutton and a few boiled potatoes

Yes. For all the WH&S and other Legislations. There seem to be more 'Deaths' in the workplace (Construction is the highest) these days than back in the day when jobs were far more dangerous.

Something is wrong here and not adding up.
What have we missed?

Jasin wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 4:07pm:

Yes. For all the WH&S and other Legislations. There seem to be more 'Deaths' in the workplace (Construction is the highest) these days than back in the day when jobs were far more dangerous. Something is wrong here and not adding up. What have we missed?

We just need to make sure that immigration growth rate is higher than the workplace death rate.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 4:09pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 4:07pm: Yes. For all the WH&S and other Legislations. There seem to be more 'Deaths' in the workplace (Construction is the highest) these days than back in the day when jobs were far more dangerous. Something is wrong here and not adding up. What have we missed? We just need to make sure that immigration growth rate is higher than the workplace death rate.

Well you've just summed up the Quantity over Quality 'workers' right there. So hopeless that even with so much 'safety' regulations - they still manage to die in numbers.  ::)
We don't need immigration - we don't need a dumbing down  of Australian workmanship.
Specialists, Skilled, Academic and Achieved need only apply to come live here. Don't need no Boat People who can't even build decent boats to get them here.

Living in Australia is a privilege, not a right.

Jasin wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 4:25pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 4:09pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 4:07pm: Yes. For all the WH&S and other Legislations. There seem to be more 'Deaths' in the workplace (Construction is the highest) these days than back in the day when jobs were far more dangerous. Something is wrong here and not adding up. What have we missed? We just need to make sure that immigration growth rate is higher than the workplace death rate. Well you've just summed up the Quantity over Quality 'workers' right there. So hopeless that even with so much 'safety' regulations - they still manage to die in numbers.  ::) We don't need immigration - we don't need a dumbing down  of Australian workmanship. Specialists, Skilled, Academic and Achieved need only apply to come live here. Don't need no Boat People who can't even build decent boats to get them here. Living in Australia is a privilege, not a right.

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During the construction of the Sydney Harbour Bridge from 1923 – 1932 amazingly (and sadly) only 16 men died from bridge related work, of those 16, only 2 fell to their deaths from the bridge

you guys are idiots......

Construction Deaths in Australia
11 in 2018
7 so far in 2019

You people have no idea how few deaths there are in Australia now...… Literally ive been on jobs with millions of work hours and no injuries little on Deaths...…


Last year as you can see there was less than 1 death australia wide per month...... These safety rules work and work very well, it's usually small companies that don't follow the safety rules that are the problem. ;)

way way more workers killed commuting to work then whilst at work.

'employers need a big pat on the back for providing this safe place(aka the workplace) for workers.

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 6:18am:

way way more workers killed commuting to work then whilst at work. 'employers need a big pat on the back for providing this safe place(aka the workplace) for workers.

A bigger pat on the Back is needed for the Government making it law they had to start looking after their employee's. ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 6:30am:

aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 6:18am: way way more workers killed commuting to work then whilst at work. 'employers need a big pat on the back for providing this safe place(aka the workplace) for workers. A bigger pat on the Back is needed for the Government making it law they had to start looking after their employee's. ;)

man, have you been to dubai?
richer country then us.
phillipinos and bangladeshis, working on high rise, 45 degree heat, no OH and S, passports held in the bosses safe and you dont get em back til you finish the work.
crazy low wages, sleeping 12 to a room.

and aussie workers in the CFMEU on 100 grand a year for being a "tradesmans assistant" and "passing the spanner " to the "tradesman" and these blokes want to whine and complain.

its a joke to me  :D :D :D :D :D

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 6:17am:

Construction Deaths in Australia 11 in 2018 7 so far in 2019 You people have no idea how few deaths there are in Australia now...… Literally ive been on jobs with millions of work hours and no injuries little on Deaths...… Last year as you can see there was less than 1 death australia wide per month...... These safety rules work and work very well, it's usually small companies that don't follow the safety rules that are the problem. ;)

why is it automatically the companies fault??..

have you seen the latest ads on TV about safety?

thats right it begins with YOU..or ME as the case may be...I think there should be more emphasis on looking out for yourself.....

maybe I am the only one who notices   when I was a kid we stood at the kerb and looked bothways before stepping on the road.....

now they just step out head down reading their phone  not a look not a heads up......they all expect someone else to be watching over them....

how often are you blinded bu the sun... and some clown steps out without so much as a glance?... >:( >:( >:(

it needs to be stopped all round....

I am so sorry for this youngs mans death....but we are stooopid as hell if we think a bunch of rules will prevent someones death on a working site.. :( :( :(

If you work for someone and cant afford to loose your job, then you do what the boss says even if it's not safe..... that's the way it is. Now with the new safety laws if you are injured the boss can goto jail it's all changed.
Yes safety is your responsibly, so is paying the mortgage and feeding your family. Now if the Boss gives you the tools and the backing to work safe and you decide that its to hard or not the way you always have done it, then yes it's your fault and have to take it on the chin if things go bad. ;)

cods wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 7:17am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 6:17am: Construction Deaths in Australia 11 in 2018 7 so far in 2019 You people have no idea how few deaths there are in Australia now...… Literally ive been on jobs with millions of work hours and no injuries little on Deaths...… Last year as you can see there was less than 1 death australia wide per month...... These safety rules work and work very well, it's usually small companies that don't follow the safety rules that are the problem. ;) why is it automatically the companies fault??.. have you seen the latest ads on TV about safety? thats right it begins with YOU..or ME as the case may be...I think there should be more emphasis on looking out for yourself..... maybe I am the only one who notices   when I was a kid we stood at the kerb and looked bothways before stepping on the road..... now they just step out head down reading their phone  not a look not a heads up......they all expect someone else to be watching over them.... how often are you blinded bu the sun... and some clown steps out without so much as a glance?... >:( >:( >:( it needs to be stopped all round.... I am so sorry for this youngs mans death....but we are stooopid as hell if we think a bunch of rules will prevent someones death on a working site.. :( :( :(

That's where you are wrong ,lots of rules are the only thing that can stop deaths.... I did a expansion of a power station a few years ago the original station built in the early 80's had 10 deaths and they where happy because the insured for 12 deaths, a win win situation in the 80's.
The new station was 2/3 the size of the original and with all the rules and laws like if a worker dies the boss can go to jail etc, there where no deaths and one broken leg.
That is just one job ad not really that big,.
Yes keeping safe and doing all the rules is annoying, but in the last 10 years I've never been forced to do something where i thought i could get hurt.
In my early days when it was no do, no job I feel very blessed i never got really hurt or killed. ;)

https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/statistics-and-research/statistics/fatalities/fatality-statistics-industry

https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/collection/work-related-traumatic-injury-fatalities
Two previous studies on work-related traumatic fatalities in Australia have been undertaken. The first covered the three-year period 1982–19841 and the second covered a four-year period from 1989–19922. Both were based on coronial records. The first study recorded deaths of 581, 491 and 470 for the calendar years 1982 to 1984 respectively. The second study recorded deaths of 673, 590, 528 and 507 for the calendar years 1989 to 1992 respectively

332 persons who died in Australia during 2003–04

In 2018, the preliminary data show there were 157 Australian workers killed at work, compared with 190 workers in 2017.

as you can see since 1982 (581) to 2018 (157)  the deaths from working have dropped dramatically,
considering there was 15 million people in Australia in 1982 and 25 million now that makes the drop even more impressive, sorry to say Cods but that was only possible through legislation and making employers responsible for their work force. ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 7:47am:

https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/statistics-and-research/statistics/fatalities/fatality-statistics-industry https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/collection/work-related-traumatic-injury-fatalities Two previous studies on work-related traumatic fatalities in Australia have been undertaken. The first covered the three-year period 1982–19841 and the second covered a four-year period from 1989–19922. Both were based on coronial records. The first study recorded deaths of 581, 491 and 470 for the calendar years 1982 to 1984 respectively. The second study recorded deaths of 673, 590, 528 and 507 for the calendar years 1989 to 1992 respectively 332 persons who died in Australia during 2003–04 In 2018, the preliminary data show there were 157 Australian workers killed at work, compared with 190 workers in 2017. as you can see since 1982 (581) to 2018 (157)  the deaths from working have dropped dramatically, considering there was 15 million people in Australia in 1982 and 25 million now that makes the drop even more impressive, sorry to say Cods but that was only possible through legislation and making employers responsible for their work force. ;)

man, you are probably safer at work then at home . how many guys do i know who have rolled their ride on mower on a sunday morning and died.
i can personally name 2

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 7:58am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:47am: https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/statistics-and-research/statistics/fatalities/fatality-statistics-industry https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/collection/work-related-traumatic-injury-fatalities Two previous studies on work-related traumatic fatalities in Australia have been undertaken. The first covered the three-year period 1982–19841 and the second covered a four-year period from 1989–19922. Both were based on coronial records. The first study recorded deaths of 581, 491 and 470 for the calendar years 1982 to 1984 respectively. The second study recorded deaths of 673, 590, 528 and 507 for the calendar years 1989 to 1992 respectively 332 persons who died in Australia during 2003–04 In 2018, the preliminary data show there were 157 Australian workers killed at work, compared with 190 workers in 2017. as you can see since 1982 (581) to 2018 (157)  the deaths from working have dropped dramatically, considering there was 15 million people in Australia in 1982 and 25 million now that makes the drop even more impressive, sorry to say Cods but that was only possible through legislation and making employers responsible for their work force. ;) man, you are probably safer at work then at home . how many guys do i know who have rolled their ride on mower on a sunday morning and died. i can personally name 2

yup and 1200 vehicle deaths last year. Forget fines, I think if someone does something unsafe there should be jail time or loss of licence, just tailgating and driving to close is responsible for a third of all accidents in Australia.... that is crazy. ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 7:31am:

cods wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:17am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 6:17am: Construction Deaths in Australia 11 in 2018 7 so far in 2019 You people have no idea how few deaths there are in Australia now...… Literally ive been on jobs with millions of work hours and no injuries little on Deaths...… Last year as you can see there was less than 1 death australia wide per month...... These safety rules work and work very well, it's usually small companies that don't follow the safety rules that are the problem. ;) why is it automatically the companies fault??.. have you seen the latest ads on TV about safety? thats right it begins with YOU..or ME as the case may be...I think there should be more emphasis on looking out for yourself..... maybe I am the only one who notices   when I was a kid we stood at the kerb and looked bothways before stepping on the road..... now they just step out head down reading their phone  not a look not a heads up......they all expect someone else to be watching over them.... how often are you blinded bu the sun... and some clown steps out without so much as a glance?... >:( >:( >:( it needs to be stopped all round.... I am so sorry for this youngs mans death....but we are stooopid as hell if we think a bunch of rules will prevent someones death on a working site.. :( :( :( That's where you are wrong ,lots of rules are the only thing that can stop deaths.... I did a expansion of a power station a few years ago the original station built in the early 80's had 10 deaths and they where happy because the insured for 12 deaths, a win win situation in the 80's. The new station was 2/3 the size of the original and with all the rules and laws like if a worker dies the boss can go to jail etc, there where no deaths and one broken leg. That is just one job ad not really that big,. Yes keeping safe and doing all the rules is annoying, but in the last 10 years I've never been forced to do something where i thought i could get hurt. In my early days when it was no do, no job I feel very blessed i never got really hurt or killed. ;)

a young man died on a construction site a few weeks back he was new just 18,,.. he died when a scaffolding fell   

I ask what was a 18yr old with no experience  doing on a scaffolding 3 stories high?..... he wasnt alone...

do you speed in your car ddh?.... I bet you do.......yet there laws saying DO NOT SPEED....it  can KILL..


we break rules every day.....most of us get away with doing that... ::) ::)... but not all!

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 8:17am:

aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:58am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:47am: https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/statistics-and-research/statistics/fatalities/fatality-statistics-industry https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/collection/work-related-traumatic-injury-fatalities Two previous studies on work-related traumatic fatalities in Australia have been undertaken. The first covered the three-year period 1982–19841 and the second covered a four-year period from 1989–19922. Both were based on coronial records. The first study recorded deaths of 581, 491 and 470 for the calendar years 1982 to 1984 respectively. The second study recorded deaths of 673, 590, 528 and 507 for the calendar years 1989 to 1992 respectively 332 persons who died in Australia during 2003–04 In 2018, the preliminary data show there were 157 Australian workers killed at work, compared with 190 workers in 2017. as you can see since 1982 (581) to 2018 (157)  the deaths from working have dropped dramatically, considering there was 15 million people in Australia in 1982 and 25 million now that makes the drop even more impressive, sorry to say Cods but that was only possible through legislation and making employers responsible for their work force. ;) man, you are probably safer at work then at home . how many guys do i know who have rolled their ride on mower on a sunday morning and died. i can personally name 2 yup and 1200 vehicle deaths last year. Forget fines, I think if someone does something unsafe there should be jail time or loss of licence, just tailgating and driving to close is responsible for a third of all accidents in Australia.... that is crazy. ;)

so you want a camera or a copper on every corner?????????...

not sure that will win votes...

cods wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 8:20am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:31am: cods wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:17am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 6:17am: Construction Deaths in Australia 11 in 2018 7 so far in 2019 You people have no idea how few deaths there are in Australia now...… Literally ive been on jobs with millions of work hours and no injuries little on Deaths...… Last year as you can see there was less than 1 death australia wide per month...... These safety rules work and work very well, it's usually small companies that don't follow the safety rules that are the problem. ;) why is it automatically the companies fault??.. have you seen the latest ads on TV about safety? thats right it begins with YOU..or ME as the case may be...I think there should be more emphasis on looking out for yourself..... maybe I am the only one who notices   when I was a kid we stood at the kerb and looked bothways before stepping on the road..... now they just step out head down reading their phone  not a look not a heads up......they all expect someone else to be watching over them.... how often are you blinded bu the sun... and some clown steps out without so much as a glance?... >:( >:( >:( it needs to be stopped all round.... I am so sorry for this youngs mans death....but we are stooopid as hell if we think a bunch of rules will prevent someones death on a working site.. :( :( :( That's where you are wrong ,lots of rules are the only thing that can stop deaths.... I did a expansion of a power station a few years ago the original station built in the early 80's had 10 deaths and they where happy because the insured for 12 deaths, a win win situation in the 80's. The new station was 2/3 the size of the original and with all the rules and laws like if a worker dies the boss can go to jail etc, there where no deaths and one broken leg. That is just one job ad not really that big,. Yes keeping safe and doing all the rules is annoying, but in the last 10 years I've never been forced to do something where i thought i could get hurt. In my early days when it was no do, no job I feel very blessed i never got really hurt or killed. ;) a young man died on a construction site a few weeks back he was new just 18,,.. he died when a scaffolding fell    I ask what was a 18yr old with no experience  doing on a scaffolding 3 stories high?..... he wasnt alone... do you speed in your car ddh?.... I bet you do.......yet there laws saying DO NOT SPEED....it  can KILL.. we break rules every day.....most of us get away with doing that... ::) ::)... but not all!

Yes and that will be a question to his supervisor and the site supervisors and their employers, and now ,unlike the 80's the supervisors and the Employers can goto jail if they did wrong.
I don't think the mans age has much to do with it, a 18 year old can fall off failing scaffolding as well as a 40 year old.
Also after that accident the site would be closed down until WHS decided it was safe again, more than likely every job from the company that the man was working for would also be closed down not just that site.
In the 80's it would of been back to work the next day like nothing has happened.


well actually I'm very careful of my speed Cods and usually drive about 10km's under the limit, I'm in no hurry. I find the cruise control is a godsend for keeping to the limit, by your words I take it you don't keep to the limits ?

As you say people do unsafe things every day and none of them are thinking that doing so might cause injury or death to them or others.... It doesn't stop deaths and injuries occurring though. ;)

cods wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 8:21am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 8:17am: aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:58am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:47am: https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/statistics-and-research/statistics/fatalities/fatality-statistics-industry https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/collection/work-related-traumatic-injury-fatalities Two previous studies on work-related traumatic fatalities in Australia have been undertaken. The first covered the three-year period 1982–19841 and the second covered a four-year period from 1989–19922. Both were based on coronial records. The first study recorded deaths of 581, 491 and 470 for the calendar years 1982 to 1984 respectively. The second study recorded deaths of 673, 590, 528 and 507 for the calendar years 1989 to 1992 respectively 332 persons who died in Australia during 2003–04 In 2018, the preliminary data show there were 157 Australian workers killed at work, compared with 190 workers in 2017. as you can see since 1982 (581) to 2018 (157)  the deaths from working have dropped dramatically, considering there was 15 million people in Australia in 1982 and 25 million now that makes the drop even more impressive, sorry to say Cods but that was only possible through legislation and making employers responsible for their work force. ;) man, you are probably safer at work then at home . how many guys do i know who have rolled their ride on mower on a sunday morning and died. i can personally name 2 yup and 1200 vehicle deaths last year. Forget fines, I think if someone does something unsafe there should be jail time or loss of licence, just tailgating and driving to close is responsible for a third of all accidents in Australia.... that is crazy. ;) so you want a camera or a copper on every corner?????????... not sure that will win votes...

they don't need that Cods, if they started Jailing people or took their licences away from them if they cause a accident just because they are impatient and drive to close , instead of just a monetary fine I think that could help stop this problem. ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 8:54am:

cods wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 8:21am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 8:17am: aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:58am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:47am: https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/statistics-and-research/statistics/fatalities/fatality-statistics-industry https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/collection/work-related-traumatic-injury-fatalities Two previous studies on work-related traumatic fatalities in Australia have been undertaken. The first covered the three-year period 1982–19841 and the second covered a four-year period from 1989–19922. Both were based on coronial records. The first study recorded deaths of 581, 491 and 470 for the calendar years 1982 to 1984 respectively. The second study recorded deaths of 673, 590, 528 and 507 for the calendar years 1989 to 1992 respectively 332 persons who died in Australia during 2003–04 In 2018, the preliminary data show there were 157 Australian workers killed at work, compared with 190 workers in 2017. as you can see since 1982 (581) to 2018 (157)  the deaths from working have dropped dramatically, considering there was 15 million people in Australia in 1982 and 25 million now that makes the drop even more impressive, sorry to say Cods but that was only possible through legislation and making employers responsible for their work force. ;) man, you are probably safer at work then at home . how many guys do i know who have rolled their ride on mower on a sunday morning and died. i can personally name 2 yup and 1200 vehicle deaths last year. Forget fines, I think if someone does something unsafe there should be jail time or loss of licence, just tailgating and driving to close is responsible for a third of all accidents in Australia.... that is crazy. ;) so you want a camera or a copper on every corner?????????... not sure that will win votes... they don't need that Cods, if they started Jailing people or took their licences away from them if they cause a accident just because they are impatient and drive to close , instead of just a monetary fine I think that could help stop this problem. ;)

how can you jail people for having an accident??????...DELIBERATE YES   I agree we need to up our sentencing   but an accident... NO WAY>

cods wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 9:19am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 8:54am: cods wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 8:21am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 8:17am: aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:58am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:47am: https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/statistics-and-research/statistics/fatalities/fatality-statistics-industry https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/collection/work-related-traumatic-injury-fatalities Two previous studies on work-related traumatic fatalities in Australia have been undertaken. The first covered the three-year period 1982–19841 and the second covered a four-year period from 1989–19922. Both were based on coronial records. The first study recorded deaths of 581, 491 and 470 for the calendar years 1982 to 1984 respectively. The second study recorded deaths of 673, 590, 528 and 507 for the calendar years 1989 to 1992 respectively 332 persons who died in Australia during 2003–04 In 2018, the preliminary data show there were 157 Australian workers killed at work, compared with 190 workers in 2017. as you can see since 1982 (581) to 2018 (157)  the deaths from working have dropped dramatically, considering there was 15 million people in Australia in 1982 and 25 million now that makes the drop even more impressive, sorry to say Cods but that was only possible through legislation and making employers responsible for their work force. ;) man, you are probably safer at work then at home . how many guys do i know who have rolled their ride on mower on a sunday morning and died. i can personally name 2 yup and 1200 vehicle deaths last year. Forget fines, I think if someone does something unsafe there should be jail time or loss of licence, just tailgating and driving to close is responsible for a third of all accidents in Australia.... that is crazy. ;) so you want a camera or a copper on every corner?????????... not sure that will win votes... they don't need that Cods, if they started Jailing people or took their licences away from them if they cause a accident just because they are impatient and drive to close , instead of just a monetary fine I think that could help stop this problem. ;) how can you jail people for having an accident??????...DELIBERATE YES   I agree we need to up our sentencing   but an accident... NO WAY>

Happens all the time.

a young women died yesterday in a horrific accident  she was in fact being filmed as she drove all over the place...

will anyone be jailed for that???>...

cods wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 9:28am:

a young women died yesterday in a horrific accident  she was in fact being filmed as she drove all over the place... will anyone be jailed for that???>...

no but she did pay with here life for doing that. If others like her where jailed or have their licence suspending then will there be less deaths Cods ? ;)

cods wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 9:28am:

a young women died yesterday in a horrific accident  she was in fact being filmed as she drove all over the place... will anyone be jailed for that???>...

Hard to say at this stage.

If she was at fault, no (you can't send dead people to jail).

If the other driver was at fault, and/or drunk, then there's a real possibility, yes.

As I said - it happens all the time.

cods wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 9:19am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 8:54am: cods wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 8:21am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 8:17am: aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:58am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:47am: https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/statistics-and-research/statistics/fatalities/fatality-statistics-industry https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/collection/work-related-traumatic-injury-fatalities Two previous studies on work-related traumatic fatalities in Australia have been undertaken. The first covered the three-year period 1982–19841 and the second covered a four-year period from 1989–19922. Both were based on coronial records. The first study recorded deaths of 581, 491 and 470 for the calendar years 1982 to 1984 respectively. The second study recorded deaths of 673, 590, 528 and 507 for the calendar years 1989 to 1992 respectively 332 persons who died in Australia during 2003–04 In 2018, the preliminary data show there were 157 Australian workers killed at work, compared with 190 workers in 2017. as you can see since 1982 (581) to 2018 (157)  the deaths from working have dropped dramatically, considering there was 15 million people in Australia in 1982 and 25 million now that makes the drop even more impressive, sorry to say Cods but that was only possible through legislation and making employers responsible for their work force. ;) man, you are probably safer at work then at home . how many guys do i know who have rolled their ride on mower on a sunday morning and died. i can personally name 2 yup and 1200 vehicle deaths last year. Forget fines, I think if someone does something unsafe there should be jail time or loss of licence, just tailgating and driving to close is responsible for a third of all accidents in Australia.... that is crazy. ;) so you want a camera or a copper on every corner?????????... not sure that will win votes... they don't need that Cods, if they started Jailing people or took their licences away from them if they cause a accident just because they are impatient and drive to close , instead of just a monetary fine I think that could help stop this problem. ;) how can you jail people for having an accident??????...DELIBERATE YES   I agree we need to up our sentencing   but an accident... NO WAY>

ell I didn't say that , I said if they cause a accident because they are impatient or drive to close.
SO if someone causes a accident because they are driving against the law in a unsafe manned they shouldn't be penalized ?
if someone is Tailgating is that Deliberate ?;)

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 9:33am:

cods wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 9:28am: a young women died yesterday in a horrific accident  she was in fact being filmed as she drove all over the place... will anyone be jailed for that???>... Hard to say at this stage. If she was at fault, no (you can't send dead people to jail). If the other driver was at fault, and/or drunk, then there's a real possibility, yes. As I said - it happens all the time.

yup and 1200 deaths a year because of it..... that's over 3 deaths a day and most of them are from Breaking the laws.

PZ547 wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 3:33pm:

Not to take away from the OP, but it would be of interest to most, imo, to learn about the conditions faced by workers during the construction of the Sydney Harbour Bridge primitive technology by today's standards hundreds employed range of extremely hazardous conditions yet only a handful died Men in their 60s atop the structure, in heavy woollen clothing, belts of rope and with pipes clenched firmly between their teeth no safety harnesses atrocious weather conditions quite often under time and other pressures fascinating to see the photos and read about the tasks they had to complete.  Hundreds of thousands of rivets forged up on the bridge in the open air.  Passed hand to hand using basic tools, then hammered into position using brute strength while balancing hundreds of feet in the air then the climb down and the trudge home to a piece of mutton and a few boiled potatoes

So the relevance of your post re: the atrocious  safety standards in the 20's & 30's and beyond is?

That 16 men died in it's 9 year construction is still bad enough even though articles say ...."it was only 16".

Is your statement to say that it's acceptable people are killed at work when it's preventable?

That people should get over it? what?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 4:09pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 4:07pm: Yes. For all the WH&S and other Legislations. There seem to be more 'Deaths' in the workplace (Construction is the highest) these days than back in the day when jobs were far more dangerous. Something is wrong here and not adding up. What have we missed? We just need to make sure that immigration growth rate is higher than the workplace death rate.

Naff off you idiot.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 6:17am:

Construction Deaths in Australia 11 in 2018 7 so far in 2019 You people have no idea how few deaths there are in Australia now...… Literally ive been on jobs with millions of work hours and no injuries little on Deaths...… Last year as you can see there was less than 1 death australia wide per month...... These safety rules work and work very well, it's usually small companies that don't follow the safety rules that are the problem. ;)

It's called self regulation and companies using safety as a management/disciplinary tool and paying lip service  to actual safety.

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 7:02am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 6:30am: aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 6:18am: way way more workers killed commuting to work then whilst at work. 'employers need a big pat on the back for providing this safe place(aka the workplace) for workers. A bigger pat on the Back is needed for the Government making it law they had to start looking after their employee's. ;) man, have you been to dubai? richer country then us. phillipinos and bangladeshis, working on high rise, 45 degree heat, no OH and S, passports held in the bosses safe and you dont get em back til you finish the work. crazy low wages, sleeping 12 to a room. and aussie workers in the CFMEU on 100 grand a year for being a "tradesmans assistant" and "passing the spanner " to the "tradesman" and these blokes want to whine and complain. its a joke to me  :D :D :D :D :D

bullshyte

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 9:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 9:33am: cods wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 9:28am: a young women died yesterday in a horrific accident  she was in fact being filmed as she drove all over the place... will anyone be jailed for that???>... Hard to say at this stage. If she was at fault, no (you can't send dead people to jail). If the other driver was at fault, and/or drunk, then there's a real possibility, yes. As I said - it happens all the time. yup and 1200 deaths a year because of it..... that's over 3 deaths a day and most of them are from Breaking the laws.

Fines need to reviewed.

For starters, the fine for a driver using a mobile phone in a car should be increased tenfold, and repeat offenders should be prevented from signing up with a Telco ever again.

cods wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 7:17am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 6:17am: Construction Deaths in Australia 11 in 2018 7 so far in 2019 You people have no idea how few deaths there are in Australia now...… Literally ive been on jobs with millions of work hours and no injuries little on Deaths...… Last year as you can see there was less than 1 death australia wide per month...... These safety rules work and work very well, it's usually small companies that don't follow the safety rules that are the problem. ;) why is it automatically the companies fault??.. have you seen the latest ads on TV about safety? thats right it begins with YOU..or ME as the case may be...I think there should be more emphasis on looking out for yourself..... maybe I am the only one who notices   when I was a kid we stood at the kerb and looked bothways before stepping on the road..... now they just step out head down reading their phone  not a look not a heads up......they all expect someone else to be watching over them.... how often are you blinded bu the sun... and some clown steps out without so much as a glance?... >:( >:( >:( it needs to be stopped all round.... I am so sorry for this youngs mans death....but we are stooopid as hell if we think a bunch of rules will prevent someones death on a working site.. :( :( :(

That's right Cods that's the mantra.

SAFETY BEGINS WITH YOU/ME.

but the problem is it's all put on the workers and companies fall down with their obligations ...

use safety just as a disciplinary tool and don't provide the right equipment or safe places to operate.

If workers complain little or nothing is done in an acceptable time frame.

When nothing gets done through frustration employees take risks .......

then when something happens they get the sack or worse killed.

While we're talking construction, I've noticed something in the last few years: there are an awful lot of pretty young women working on building sites.

What's that all about, then?

Is it a ploy to entice more men into the industry?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 10:20am:

While we're talking construction, I've noticed something in the last few years: there are an awful lot of pretty young women working on building sites. What's that all about, then? Is it a ploy to entice more men into the industry?

Probably nothing more than a reflection on equal employment opportunities.

Fancy there being nothing in the myth that we women don't want to get our hands dirty.

Gnads wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 9:53am:

cods wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 7:17am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 6:17am: Construction Deaths in Australia 11 in 2018 7 so far in 2019 You people have no idea how few deaths there are in Australia now...… Literally ive been on jobs with millions of work hours and no injuries little on Deaths...… Last year as you can see there was less than 1 death australia wide per month...... These safety rules work and work very well, it's usually small companies that don't follow the safety rules that are the problem. ;) why is it automatically the companies fault??.. have you seen the latest ads on TV about safety? thats right it begins with YOU..or ME as the case may be...I think there should be more emphasis on looking out for yourself..... maybe I am the only one who notices   when I was a kid we stood at the kerb and looked bothways before stepping on the road..... now they just step out head down reading their phone  not a look not a heads up......they all expect someone else to be watching over them.... how often are you blinded bu the sun... and some clown steps out without so much as a glance?... >:( >:( >:( it needs to be stopped all round.... I am so sorry for this youngs mans death....but we are stooopid as hell if we think a bunch of rules will prevent someones death on a working site.. :( :( :( That's right Cods that's the mantra. SAFETY BEGINS WITH YOU/ME. but the problem is it's all put on the workers and companies fall down with their obligations ... use safety just as a disciplinary tool and don't provide the right equipment or safe places to operate. If workers complain little or nothing is done in an acceptable time frame. When nothing gets done through frustration employees take risks ....... then when something happens they get the sack or worse killed.

As a worker in the construction business, I don't think what you are saying is correct, most companies supply all the required safety equipment and a safe condition to work... It's usually the old ways of thinking (culture) that is the biggest culprit.... Most sites are long sleeve clothes and hard hat, safety glasses and gloves...  now the only thing that be taken off easy is the Hat , the glove and glasses, most guys wont wear gloves and only wear glasses when its really bright...…
The other biggest problem is effort, if you can do something in a minute to do it the right way or with all safety precautions take 5 mins, most guys, especially at the end of the day will choose the easy way.
I find the "That is the way we have always done it "mentality by the workers the biggest safety concern on sites, now a employer cant do much about that attitude. ;)

mothra wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 10:20am: While we're talking construction, I've noticed something in the last few years: there are an awful lot of pretty young women working on building sites. What's that all about, then? Is it a ploy to entice more men into the industry? Probably nothing more than a reflection on equal employment opportunities. Fancy there being nothing in the myth that we women don't want to get our hands dirty.

I think it's more than that, though.

It was very rare to see a woman on a building site years ago and, if you did, she wasn't what one would consider (I'm not being sexist here, I swear) slim or pretty.

Today, though, I see large numbers of women working on building sites, and they are all very thin and very pretty.

To me, it looks like a deliberate effort by the employers to entice more young men into the industry.

I've seen some women on building sites here in Perth that wouldn't look out of place in a glossy magazine - some really beautiful (young - they're always young) women.

Yes, young.

I've seen lots of guys on building sites in their 60s.

The women, however, are all in their late teens or early 20s.

I'm convinced it's got something to do with enticing more men into the industry.

(Last year, one of the extremely attractive young women fell 13 floors to her death on a Perth building site)   :'(

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 11:06am:

mothra wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 10:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 10:20am: While we're talking construction, I've noticed something in the last few years: there are an awful lot of pretty young women working on building sites. What's that all about, then? Is it a ploy to entice more men into the industry? Probably nothing more than a reflection on equal employment opportunities. Fancy there being nothing in the myth that we women don't want to get our hands dirty. I think it's more than that, though. It was very rare to see a woman on a building site years ago and, if you did, she wasn't what one would consider (I'm not being sexist here, I swear) slim or pretty. Today, though, I see large numbers of women working on building sites, and they are all very thin and very pretty. To me, it looks like a deliberate effort by the employers to entice more young men into the industry. I've seen some women on building sites here in Perth that wouldn't look out of place in a glossy magazine - some really beautiful (young - they're always young) women. Yes, young. I've seen lots of guys on building sites in their 60s. The women, however, are all in their late teens or early 20s. I'm convinced it's got something to do with enticing more men into the industry. (Last year, one of the extremely attractive young women fell 13 floors to her death on a Perth building site)   :'(

That is strange. Maybe they're all inspired by The Block? You can get pink steel caps now.

Seriously though, it's hard to imagine a recruiting pool for what you're suggesting. Where are these women being sought from? Surely they'd have to be applying for something in the first place?

mothra wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 11:06am: mothra wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 10:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 10:20am: While we're talking construction, I've noticed something in the last few years: there are an awful lot of pretty young women working on building sites. What's that all about, then? Is it a ploy to entice more men into the industry? Probably nothing more than a reflection on equal employment opportunities. Fancy there being nothing in the myth that we women don't want to get our hands dirty. I think it's more than that, though. It was very rare to see a woman on a building site years ago and, if you did, she wasn't what one would consider (I'm not being sexist here, I swear) slim or pretty. Today, though, I see large numbers of women working on building sites, and they are all very thin and very pretty. To me, it looks like a deliberate effort by the employers to entice more young men into the industry. I've seen some women on building sites here in Perth that wouldn't look out of place in a glossy magazine - some really beautiful (young - they're always young) women. Yes, young. I've seen lots of guys on building sites in their 60s. The women, however, are all in their late teens or early 20s. I'm convinced it's got something to do with enticing more men into the industry. (Last year, one of the extremely attractive young women fell 13 floors to her death on a Perth building site)   :'( That is strange. Maybe they're all inspired by The Block? You can get pink steel caps now. Seriously though, it's hard to imagine a recruiting pool for what you're suggesting. Where are these women being sought from? Surely they'd have to be applying for something in the first place?

Yeah I know, it's all very strange.

I've been noticing it over the last 2 or 3 years.

I see the workers filing into the construction sites early every morning, and every day there's more and more young, good looking women clocking on.

Maybe it's a case of the women looking for ways to find a boyfriend    :-/

I dunno.

All I know is that they're all young, and all very attractive.

Is it happening in other states - anyone?

I have worked in safety in Katherine.

There is definitely a safety culture problem in the N.T.

I have worked for big companies and small companies, I have no doubt we need jail terms for managers and owners if they do not provide a safe work place.

I have been sacked by owners and I have been sacked by managers for trying to keep people safe.
I have also been a business owner with lots of employees,,, and not one injury on the job, so I am not one of those disruptive safety managers from the dark side.

I have also worked for a great company that left me alone to manage safety and I reduced the Lost Time Injury Frequency Rate from 22 to 10,,,, just below the industry benchmark.
The owner of that business was about to lose his workers comp insurance,,, and he had letters from 4 other insurers saying they would not insure him. We saved the insurance and he is still in business.

But good employers on safety are few and far between, even on the mines,,, I recon I have seen it all.

Jail for the bad ones is the only answer.

There was a case in WA where there was a death and the investigation showed that the company had done everything right and it was one of the  workers fault,,,  That worker got a fine and the company did not get convicted, (before one of you clowns brings this up) Companies are not in trouble if they do it right and a worker stuffs up.

I dont think I want to go back and work in safety, there are too many scum bag businesses out there that will sac you if you do safety right. Its no win for the safety person, you have to do things right even when the company is full of crooks

It's called self regulation and companies using safety as a management/disciplinary tool and paying lip service  to actual safety.

@gnads,, yes I have seen that as well, one of the lowest acts an employer can do.

Jesus I feel so depressed now after reliving all that

If the Harbour Bridge was built today.
It wouldn't have got done - simply 'too dangerous' for WH&S.
Also the budget would have blown out to x50 more because of 'safety issues'.

The Laws of today only protect those who should not be in that workplace in the first place or are not good enough to competently be there effectively.

The Train was going 100kmphr - 16 people died over 9 years of journeying.
Now, thanks to WH&S - only 1 person died, while the Train travelled at a safe speed of just 5kmphr.  ::)

This is why Australia 'out-sources' everything.
This is why Australia has never taken on any Major Schemes   since the Harbour Bridge, Opera House and Snowy Hydro.

Build a National Canal System to alleviate drought stricken areas from flooded areas? Nah - too dangerous !!  ::)
Only if the 'Legislation' can cash in on it and raise the budget cost of building it to x100 more!  ::)

Jasin wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 4:07pm:

Yes. For all the WH&S and other Legislations. There seem to be more 'Deaths' in the workplace (Construction is the highest) these days than back in the day when jobs were far more dangerous. Something is wrong here and not adding up. What have we missed?

The most likely explanation is due to a lack of reporting and recording during that time. The same can be said for any developing nation where the "official" OH&S statistics are similar to those of developed nations.

A few of the people I work with worked on the construction of the Tarong Power Station. Back then, there was no Working at Heights protection, and if you requested it you'd be seen as weak and risked losing your job. Not surprisingly, two people died during construction due to height related incidents - the workers passed the hat around for the workers' families and Management didn't suffer any consequences.

In the United States, some power stations will still factor in the number of people they expect to die as part of their annual operational budgets and safety targets!

Jasin wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 9:53pm:

If the Harbour Bridge was built today. It wouldn't have got done - simply 'too dangerous' for WH&S. Also the budget would have blown out to x50 more because of 'safety issues'.

May I remind you of a little bridge called the West Gate, where 35 construction workers died and completion of the bridge was delayed several years, due to a makeshift solution to add weights to reduce the height of one of the spans so that it could be joined correctly.

How many billions of dollars did Australia waste on medical costs and environmental clean ups because the dangers of Asbestos were ignored?

When you look at what caused both Chernobyl and Fukushima nuclear incidents, both could have been prevented with better backup systems that would've cost a few more million dollars to build in both instances. If such an attitude towards safety had been adopted at the beginning of the Nuclear Age, the public wouldn't have the same fear towards nuclear power that it does today. In addition, we probably would've already solved the concerns associated with Global Warming by phasing out coal fired power plants and replacing them with nuclear.

Throw another worker on the barby. When he's done stick a fork in him and replace him with an immigrant.

mothra wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 10:20am: While we're talking construction, I've noticed something in the last few years: there are an awful lot of pretty young women working on building sites. What's that all about, then? Is it a ploy to entice more men into the industry? Probably nothing more than a reflection on equal employment opportunities. Fancy there being nothing in the myth that we women don't want to get our hands dirty.

More like that Australia has become so expensive that Women have to work and can't afford to stay at home and bring kids up without any adverse ADHD effects.
It's all good for the Economy you see - if both sexes are working hard and not producing more mouths to feed.


Australia is too dangerous for WH&S these days.
Nothing majorily great, innovative or daring gets done anymore. Everything is safe and not built to last 100 years.
For all the Safety legislation - funny how the equivalent of a bridge here can cost $1million to build, but in other nations - just $50,000? ::)

Btw - I've worked with lots of women.
Doesn't matter if they look 'butchy' or 'pretty' - they both have their advantages and disadvantages. I've worked in Industries where women work harder than blokes I've seen in Construction.

But overall - WH&S has compromised Australia's Working reputation to 'dumb-down' all jobs to accommodate those who should not be working in that job in the first place.
Sometimes - 'accidents happen' on purpose, because its really like Survival of the Fittest. It sorts the good eggs from the bad eggs.
Australia has basically kept the Ship at Port for the 'lesser workers', who would die out at sea.
That's Australia today - going nowhere, but hey - everyone is safe now, ain't they? ::)