NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it?

Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::)

Freeeedom, innit.

.
You're just pawns in the Game, guys

and you're looking for other pawns to join in

The Game was devised decades ago

it's in its early stages

It will reach crecendo in the much-awaited religious wars of the future

Many of the Game's pieces have been put in place

it's not hard to read

most have settled-in for years of yabba yabba

pro-muslim and its opposite

take your places
learn the steps to the Dance

most do not want to dance in the Game

the orchestrators insist, however

they will ensure everyone participates

people generally are tolerant and want peace/peace of mind

that will not be tolerated though

You must war

you must choose a Side

you must  kill and be killed

The orchestrators pull the strings

we are mere puppets

so it's yabba yabba for the foreseeable future weather we like it or not

PZ547 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

. pro-muslim and its opposite

It's "opposite" is called an "Islamophobe," TZ...   ::)

So, do you think it's OK to intimidate innocent people on the basis of their religion?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 3:18pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 3:14pm: . pro-muslim and its opposite It's "opposite" is called an "Islamophobe," TZ...   ::) So, do you think it's OK to intimidate innocent people on the basis of their religion?

Just concentrate on learning the steps to the Dance, chum

because not you nor anyone else will be able to decline participation

PZ547 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 3:18pm: PZ547 wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 3:14pm: . pro-muslim and its opposite It's "opposite" is called an "Islamophobe," TZ...   ::) So, do you think it's OK to intimidate innocent people on the basis of their religion? Just concentrate on learning the steps to the Dance, chum because not you nor anyone else will be able to decline participation

Nah, I don't dance. I prefer to conduct...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::)

Islamophobe eh?


Quote:

Yusuff Sharriff, 43, is accused of intimidating and verbally abusing a family group of about 20 people picnicking in the Illawarra on Sunday afternoon. During his appearance in court Mr Sharriff referred to himself as a "black Muslim" and accused Legal Aid of discriminating against him and not representing him properly. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-08/man-charged-over-alleged-islamophobic-incident/10980938

According to Muslims like Gandalf, most anti-Muslim violence is committed by Muslims.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::)

Every day Muslims murder people because of Allah and the Koran.

Every blue moon someone shouts at Muslims.


Dickheads like you come out and pretend it's the same thing or worse than the murders for Allah.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 3:31pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 3:18pm: PZ547 wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 3:14pm: . pro-muslim and its opposite It's "opposite" is called an "Islamophobe," TZ...   ::) So, do you think it's OK to intimidate innocent people on the basis of their religion? Just concentrate on learning the steps to the Dance, chum because not you nor anyone else will be able to decline participation Nah, I don't dance.

You mince.

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:45pm: NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::) Every day Muslims murder people because of Allah and the Koran. Every blue moon someone shouts at Muslims. Dickheads like you come out and pretend it's the same thing or worse than the murders for Allah.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Letting your imagination run wild again, Soren? Really?  I think you need some time back in the little kiddies' playground where you're allowed to roll in the mud all day long, to your heart's content.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::)

“They all turned up to do the Australian thing and have a barbecue on a Sunday afternoon,” Supt Chris Craner told reporters in Wollongong on Monday.

They come to our country and then try to assimilate?

Who do these people think they are?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:38pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 8:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:45pm: NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::) Every day Muslims murder people because of Allah and the Koran. Every blue moon someone shouts at Muslims. Dickheads like you come out and pretend it's the same thing or worse than the murders for Allah. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Letting your imagination run wild again, Soren? Really?  I think you need some time back in the little kiddies' playground where you're allowed to roll in the mud all day long, to your heart's content.   ::)

Is Mormor calling the old boy back from the playground, dear?

Alt jungend, alt jungend!

What are they going to charge him with! doing a few burnouts at a bbq ffs, who hasn't done that.
I'm surprised the Muslims didn't join in unless they were on their camels.

Johnnie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 3:06pm:

What are they going to charge him with!

Intimidation and dangerous driving, of course.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 3:06pm: What are they going to charge him with! Intimidation and dangerous driving, of course.

Hooliganism.
God damn hoons.

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:33pm:

According to Muslims like Gandalf, most anti-Muslim violence is committed by Muslims.

After Christchurch, that's now changed, FD.

What did you think of that?

You didn't say.

muslims have carried out more than 34843 terrorists attacks since September/11/2001.

In the last 30 days alone there were 98 Islamic attacks in 22 countries, in which 502 people were killed and 427 injured. 

moses wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 4:03pm:

muslims have carried out more than 34843 terrorists attacks since September/11/2001. In the last 30 days alone there were 98 Islamic attacks in 22 countries, in which 502 people were killed and 427 injured.

Well then, seeing as you put it like that, there's only one thing to do: terrorise Muslim children having a picnic in the park.

Keep up the good work, moses   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

moses wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 4:03pm:

muslims have carried out more than 34843 terrorists attacks since September/11/2001. In the last 30 days alone there were 98 Islamic attacks in 22 countries, in which 502 people were killed and 427 injured.

Nek minnit!

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

Far-right violence now a bigger threat to the US than Daesh and Al Qaeda

"According to the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, 71 percent of killings related to extremism have been committed by white supremacists between 2008 and 2017, while extremists related to groups like Al Qaeda, are responsible for 26 percent of fatal violence.

“White supremacists and other far-right extremists have killed far more people since September 11, 2001, than any other category of domestic extremist,” wrote Janet Reitman, the author of Inside Scientology, The Story of America's Most Secretive Religion, who is also working on a book concerning the rise of the far right in post-9/11 America."

Quote:

Well then, seeing as you put it like that, there's only one thing to do: terrorise Muslim children having a picnic in the park.

for the umpteenth time:

No physical violence is never the answer to ideological terrorism.

I reiterate:

muslims have carried out more than 34843 terrorists attacks since September/11/2001.

In the last 30 days alone there were 98 Islamic attacks in 22 countries, in which 502 people were killed and 427 injured.

Can some leftard kindly give us the figures relating to the number of deaths caused by non muslim violence around the globe?

Jacinda is flying over to console these poor poor Muslims.
Hooliganism against Muslims is not tolerated.

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moses wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 4:27pm:

I reiterate: muslims have carried out more than 34843 terrorists attacks since September/11/2001. In the last 30 days alone there were 98 Islamic attacks in 22 countries, in which 502 people were killed and 427 injured. Can some leftard kindly give us the figures relating to the number of deaths caused by non muslim violence around the globe?

Come on moses!!!!

You know that    those Lutherans    are no better!

:-?

moses wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 4:27pm:

I reiterate: muslims have carried out more than 34843 terrorists attacks since September/11/2001. In the last 30 days alone there were 98 Islamic attacks in 22 countries, in which 502 people were killed and 427 injured. Can some leftard kindly give us the figures relating to the number of deaths caused by non muslim violence around the globe?

moses,

At the bottom of that current list....


......A girl is injured when two suicide bombers detonate prematurely during an attempt to kill church-goers.

....its a tragedy i tell ya.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 4:21pm:

moses wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 4:03pm: muslims have carried out more than 34843 terrorists attacks since September/11/2001. In the last 30 days alone there were 98 Islamic attacks in 22 countries, in which 502 people were killed and 427 injured.  Nek minnit! "According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh." Far-right violence now a bigger threat to the US than Daesh and Al Qaeda "According to the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, 71 percent of killings related to extremism have been committed by white supremacists between 2008 and 2017, while extremists related to groups like Al Qaeda, are responsible for 26 percent of fatal violence. “White supremacists and other far-right extremists have killed far more people since September 11, 2001, than any other category of domestic extremist,” wrote Janet Reitman, the author of Inside Scientology, The Story of America's Most Secretive Religion, who is also working on a book concerning the rise of the far right in post-9/11 America."

What a load of rubbish.

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 3:56pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:33pm: According to Muslims like Gandalf, most anti-Muslim violence is committed by Muslims. After Christchurch, that's now changed, FD.

No it hasn't. The Muslims have a pretty big head start.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:38pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 8:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:45pm: NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::) Every day Muslims murder people because of Allah and the Koran. Every blue moon someone shouts at Muslims. Dickheads like you come out and pretend it's the same thing or worse than the murders for Allah. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Letting your imagination run wild again, Soren? Really?  I think you need some time back in the little kiddies' playground where you're allowed to roll in the mud all day long, to your heart's content.   ::)

You stupid, pearl-clutching old pissy aunt!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D


Today’s Chatterbox is brought to you by former $346,250 per year Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane, who yesterday blamed “certain politicians and media” for an alleged anti-Muslim hate crime south of Sydney.


Tim Soutphommasane
What a terrible experience this must have been for the family targeted. Such violent conduct doesn’t happen in a vacuum: for too long, certain politicians and media have been fomenting anti-Muslim hate. Hope it is met with the full force of the law https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/08/nsw-man-arrested-over-alleged-anti-muslim-attack-on-family …
1:28 PM - Apr 8, 2019
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NSW man arrested over alleged anti-Muslim attack on family
Police allege man verbally abused picnicking group and drove circles around them



The court report cited by Boynamedsoup didn’t name the accused or provide any background. But later reports did. The accused is a 43-year-old homeless man of Nigerian heritage who had an interesting request for the magistrate:

Yusuf asked the magistrate if Legal Aid could be taken off his case because they "have never represented me properly".

"I feel discriminated against," Yusuf said via video link.

"I'm a black man, I'm a Muslim and I don't think he [the solicitor] likes me at all.”

Over to you, Sooperdooperskippyrooter. Are you still sticking to your claim that “certain politicians and media” were responsible?




You are just like Soupy Tim, Bwian. Risible.
Sorry - Wisible.

Your pea-brain is clouded by the fog of 'up-to-date' PC victimhood spray of shite that gets into every crevice of your life: your eyes, your speech,what's left of your mind.


You can snap out of it, Bwian, you can regain your dignity. It's not too late. Wash of the PC shite and think for yourself, not for the 'do I look PC enough if I strike this attitude' kids.


Reclaim your life, Bwian, the little that is left of it. Don't do into the sunset as a frikken insufferable PC robot. That's not a way to bee or to be remembered.

moses wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 4:22pm:

Quote: Well then, seeing as you put it like that, there's only one thing to do: terrorise Muslim children having a picnic in the park. for the umpteenth time: No physical violence is never the answer to ideological terrorism.

Yet you're acting like an apologist for what was essentially Terrorism of innocent Muslims having a picnic, Moses.    How unsurprising...   ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 7:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm: Frank wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 8:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:45pm: NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::) Every day Muslims murder people because of Allah and the Koran. Every blue moon someone shouts at Muslims. Dickheads like you come out and pretend it's the same thing or worse than the murders for Allah. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Letting your imagination run wild again, Soren? Really?  I think you need some time back in the little kiddies' playground where you're allowed to roll in the mud all day long, to your heart's content.   ::) You stupid, pearl-clutching old pissy aunt!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D Today’s Chatterbox is brought to you by former $346,250 per year Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane, who yesterday blamed “certain politicians and media” for an alleged anti-Muslim hate crime south of Sydney. Tim Soutphommasane What a terrible experience this must have been for the family targeted. Such violent conduct doesn’t happen in a vacuum: for too long, certain politicians and media have been fomenting anti-Muslim hate. Hope it is met with the full force of the law https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/08/nsw-man-arrested-over-alleged-anti-muslim-attack-on-family … 1:28 PM - Apr 8, 2019 Twitter NSW man arrested over alleged anti-Muslim attack on family Police allege man verbally abused picnicking group and drove circles around them The court report cited by Boynamedsoup didn’t name the accused or provide any background. But later reports did. The accused is a 43-year-old homeless man of Nigerian heritage who had an interesting request for the magistrate: Yusuf asked the magistrate if Legal Aid could be taken off his case because they "have never represented me properly". "I feel discriminated against," Yusuf said via video link. "I'm a black man, I'm a Muslim and I don't think he [the solicitor] likes me at all.” Over to you, Sooperdooperskippyrooter. Are you still sticking to your claim that “certain politicians and media” were responsible? You are just like Soupy Tim, Bwian. Risible. Sorry - Wisible. Your pea-brain is clouded by the fog of 'up-to-date' PC victimhood spray of shite that gets into every crevice of your life: your eyes, your speech,what's left of your mind. You can snap out of it, Bwian, you can regain your dignity. It's not too late. Wash of the PC shite and think for yourself, not for the 'do I look PC enough if I strike this attitude' kids. Reclaim your life, Bwian, the little that is left of it. Don't do into the sunset as a frikken insufferable PC robot. That's not a way to bee or to be remembered.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  We always know when you've lost a debate you automatically resort to ad hominem insults.   Tsk, tsk, look, I don't know why you waste our time and torture the electrons this way.   I think you need to trot along, back to the little kiddies' playground.  You'll enjoy rolling in the mud with all your childish mates, OK?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::)

Nigerian Muslims, shitehead.

Wake up, Bwian Cinders. You don't HAVE TO BE so stupid and unmoored.

Choose balanced, intelligent, self-aware. You have done the dam moron with no idea schtick long enough.

Live a little, Bwian.  You don't have long to go.  Don't waste your remaining life of on being a stereotypical blinkered cvvnt who argues every hopeless passing nonsense PC issue to death.  Not the way to exit.


Or don't. Be the fvkwit we could't possibly invent.  Maybe that IS your role in life, in our lives, to be that 'idea' of a moron.
Choice, right there for you, Bwian.

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Yet another offshoot of Islam

Frank wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:45pm: NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::) Nigerian Muslims, shitehead. Wake up, [s]Bwian Cinders. You don't HAVE TO BE so stupid and unmoored. Choose balanced, intelligent, self-aware. You have done the dam moron with no idea schtick long enough. Live a little, Bwian.  You don't have long to go.  Don't waste your remaining life of on being a stereotypical blinkered cvvnt who argues every hopeless passing nonsense PC issue to death.  Not the way to exit. Or don't. Be the fvkwit we could't possibly invent.  Maybe that IS your role in life, in our lives, to be that 'idea' of a moron. Choice, right there for you, Bwian.[/s]

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Nope, nothing of value there at all, now is there, Buttons.  Oh, well, off back to your little bunk, where all the serving boys sleep...   ::)

Afghan man attacks 10 year old Afghan girl at Blair Athol

https://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/police-appeal-for-information-after-girl-10-attacked-in-brazen-assault-in-public-toilets/news-story/90d4846a81274a65aee14857ce48f017

I do wonder though.

Is the behaviour of such Men of these countries - stem back to the ancient times, when wars demanded that men seed as many women as they can and that all women were always seeded. For population growth was a necessity of survival as back then, wars lasted for generations. The 'greater' number Army always won the battles the most. A minority was won by better tactis and technology.

So it was a 'survival' act to seed even young females - gotta outbreed the enemy. 8 Angry Men, all different of Race - all doing what they do in order to be the 'one' Race that evolves above and beyond the current 'Sapien' mode.

The only difference is that White Men don't do it, but they do allow other men to do it to their white women.  :D

Islamic attack on a family by skidding his car through the mud, metres from terrorised children, has been refused bail by a NSW court.

Sharaf-Deen Yusuf, 43, has been referred to NSW Police's specialist fixated persons unit for investigation following the "unprovoked" attack north of Wollongong.

Twenty family members, from Sydney's west, had gathered at the Bulli Tops lookout on Sunday for a picnic.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw-man-arrested-over-anti-islam-attack-224523922--spt.html

Johnnie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

Jacinda is flying over to console these poor poor Muslims. Hooliganism against Muslims is not tolerated.

Boys will be boys, Matty.

KILL THEM.

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 8:23am:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Jacinda is flying over to console these poor poor Muslims. Hooliganism against Muslims is not tolerated. Boys will be boys, Matty. KILL THEM.

:)

A man accused of hurling foul-mouthed, anti-Islamic comments - including death threats - towards a family picnicking at Bulli Tops has lashed out in court, claiming he wasn't being properly represented because he was "a black man" and "a Muslim".

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/6006913/ill-kill-you-man-accused-of-racial-attack-on-family-at-bulli-tops-denied-bail/

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 3:56pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:33pm: According to Muslims like Gandalf, most anti-Muslim violence is committed by Muslims. After Christchurch, that's now changed, FD.  No it hasn't. The Muslims have a pretty big head start.

Either way, muslims invariably end up as victims.

Muslims that you continue to stereotype and demonize as lazy and universal supporters of genocide

Perp- Sharaf-Deen Yusuf's (blackman and ex Muslim)



;D ;D ;D ;D That's hilarious . Where's Brian now? Probably whacking his weasel over some military magazine. Brian automatically thought it was some middle aged white guy with a southern cross tattoo. Wrong again!

I don’t know why anyone is surprised that a muslim been hating on other Muslims, it’s nothing new. They have been killing each other for Islam for generations.

But yeah amusing to think of Brian, limited as he is, accusing a Muslim of Islamophobia, no wonder his eyes are spinning, trying to parse that narrative. 

Gordon wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 8:44am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 8:23am: Johnnie wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Jacinda is flying over to console these poor poor Muslims. Hooliganism against Muslims is not tolerated. Boys will be boys, Matty. KILL THEM. :) A man accused of hurling foul-mouthed, anti-Islamic comments - including death threats - towards a family picnicking at Bulli Tops has lashed out in court, claiming he wasn't being properly represented because he was "a black man" and "a Muslim". https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/6006913/ill-kill-you-man-accused-of-racial-attack-on-family-at-bulli-tops-denied-bail/

Do you still want to "KILL THEM" Karnal? he is one of your own kind.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 3:56pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:33pm: According to Muslims like Gandalf, most anti-Muslim violence is committed by Muslims. After Christchurch, that's now changed, FD.  No it hasn't. The Muslims have a pretty big head start. Either way, muslims invariably end up as victims. Muslims that you continue to stereotype and demonize as lazy and universal supporters of genocide

Ah, the victim card. What does it mean Gandalf?

Have non-Muslims also lost the right to speak their mind about Islam?

Muslims need more hugs.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 3:56pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:33pm: According to Muslims like Gandalf, most anti-Muslim violence is committed by Muslims. After Christchurch, that's now changed, FD.  No it hasn't. The Muslims have a pretty big head start. Either way, muslims invariably end up as victims.

Evidently, mostly of other Muslims, if the facts are to be credited.

But what do Muslims like you and you bien pensant 'progressive hangers-on  harp on? 'Islamophobic' (a joke word for a joke idea) 'white supremacists', colonialists, Western hegemonists, wacists, wationalists - all the dead-beat SAIDian boilerplates.

You are not victims of anything but your own recalcitrant, pigheaded ideology. You have exported your perennial Islamic civil war to all the countries you have been allowed to migrate - that's the only new thing about Muslim violence.

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 6:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 9:55am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 3:56pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:33pm: According to Muslims like Gandalf, most anti-Muslim violence is committed by Muslims. After Christchurch, that's now changed, FD.  No it hasn't. The Muslims have a pretty big head start. Either way, muslims invariably end up as victims. Evidently, mostly of other Muslims, if the facts are to be credited. But what do Muslims like you and you bien pensant 'progressive hangers-on  harp on? 'Islamophobic' (a joke word for a joke idea) 'white supremacists', colonialists, Western hegemonists, wacists, wationalists - all the dead-beat SAIDian boilerplates. You are not victims of anything but your own recalcitrant, pigheaded ideology. You have exported your perennial Islamic civil war to all the countries you have been allowed to migrate - that's the only new thing about Muslim violence.

I think what Gandalf is trying to do is get you to focus on the fact that Muslims are victims, and ignore the fact that in most cases they are the victim of Islam.

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 6:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 9:55am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 3:56pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:33pm: According to Muslims like Gandalf, most anti-Muslim violence is committed by Muslims. After Christchurch, that's now changed, FD.  No it hasn't. The Muslims have a pretty big head start. Either way, muslims invariably end up as victims. Muslims that you continue to stereotype and demonize as lazy and universal supporters of genocide Ah, the victim card. What does it mean Gandalf? Have non-Muslims also lost the right to speak their mind about Islam?

What does it mean? Muslims were victims of a frightening act of intimidation that put people's lives at risk. Thats what it means. I reckon this is a good example of muslims having the right to play the victim card - don't you think FD? Or does it somehow not count just because the perpetrator was allegedly a muslim?

Exactly what is the issue you have with me pointing out that muslims being the target of attacks by other muslims - produces "muslim victims"? Is it that it forces you to face the inconvenient truth that there are a heap of muslims out there that don't share the crazed and intolerant beliefs of the extremists - and furthermore they are killed because of it? I could see why that would make it more difficult for you to indiscriminately smear muslims en masse with hateful slurs like 'all muslims support genocide'.

On a scale of 1- 10 how would we rate this dickheads' act of intimidation against the muzzies in the trucks and cars who actually run over and killed as many innocents as possible (including babies in prams or their mothers' arms)?

Whats the score for going to a childrens concert and slaughtering little kids by blowing yourself up? (truly allah loves those who go into battle without their armour)

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 6:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 9:55am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 3:56pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:33pm: According to Muslims like Gandalf, most anti-Muslim violence is committed by Muslims. After Christchurch, that's now changed, FD.  No it hasn't. The Muslims have a pretty big head start. Either way, muslims invariably end up as victims. Evidently, mostly of other Muslims, if the facts are to be credited. But what do Muslims like you and you bien pensant 'progressive hangers-on  harp on? 'Islamophobic' (a joke word for a joke idea) 'white supremacists', colonialists, Western hegemonists, wacists, wationalists - all the dead-beat SAIDian boilerplates. You are not victims of anything but your own recalcitrant, pigheaded ideology. You have exported your perennial Islamic civil war to all the countries you have been allowed to migrate - that's the only new thing about Muslim violence.

Being victims of muslims doesn't make victims somehow become lesser victims.

As for white supremacists and wacists, these are the sort of people who lump all muslims - extremists, non-extremists, and even the extremist's victims, into the one basket - by blanket smearing them as all supporters of genocide, or all of them crazed, mentally disabled inbreds. Its this 'othering' cognitive process that causes an individual to think that a mosque full of muslims, none of whom he has ever met, must necessarily be guilty and are deserving of being shot to death as they pray peacefully. Its this othering that prompts someone just one day after such an attack to boldly declare that however terrible the shooting was, in any case muslims were to blame. And such an outrageous statement (and thankfully universally acknowledged as outrageous), is really not much of a step up from saying that the threat of Islamic terrorism in a given country is nothing more than a simple function of the number of muslims in that country - a sentiment that was rigorously defended here.

In case you are still unconvinced by what I am saying, let me spell it out more bluntly. According to whats been said here over the years, every one of the 50 victims at Christchurch were:

- supporters of genocide
- mentally disabled due to inbreeding
- had psychopathic tendencies
- lazy

and no doubt a whole heap of other stereotypes.

This is what Islamophobia does - it dehumanises actual victims and in the process gives dangerous succor to the Tarrants of this world. The scary truth here is that Tarrant could not have done what he did without dehumanizing muslims and expunging any ability he might have had for empathising with individuals who identified with the Islamic faith. How else do you arrive at the idea that its ok to shoot 100 or more completely random worshippers with the intent to kill them? The only way is to convince yourself that they are guilty - all of them. Most Islamophobes draw the line at killing, but it is very clear that the level of dehumanizing and 'othering' of muslims is the same. How else does someone so blithely and without a hint of shame declare that Christchurch was the fault of muslims? And the scary part is seeing how many people actually agree with him - despite the crocodile tears.

moses wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

On a scale of 1- 10 how would we rate this dickheads' act of intimidation against the muzzies in the trucks and cars who actually run over and killed as many innocents as possible (including babies in prams or their mothers' arms)? Whats the score for going to a childrens concert and slaughtering little kids by blowing yourself up? (truly allah loves those who go into battle without their armour)

I think you guys need to exchange notes and get your memes straight here. Are we emphasising how bad this guy was because he was muslim, or are we downplaying the attack because the victims were muslim? You're a bit inconsistent at the moment...

I'm saying this dickhead was a total idiot who apparently drove and skidded his car around a group of people.

How do his actions stack up against the muslims who drove their trucks and cars deliberately into crowds of people (including babies in prams and their mothers' arms) slaughtering as many as possible?

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And islamic apologists -- paid to post -- bastardise this free platform to push the relentless propaganda

PZ547 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 3:40pm:

. And islamic apologists -- paid to post -- bastardise this free platform to push the relentless propaganda

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  You know, I've been accused of that for over three decades but I'm yet to see a single cent.  Gee, I must have a whopper of a pay cheque in back pay from these mysterious people are claimed to pay me and other anti-Islamophobes...    ::) ::)

PZ547 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 3:40pm:

. And islamic apologists -- paid to post -- bastardise this free platform to push the relentless propaganda

If I was investing money to disseminate propaganda on this site, I think I'd be going through some pretty severe buyers remorse by now.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 9:55am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 3:56pm: freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:33pm: According to Muslims like Gandalf, most anti-Muslim violence is committed by Muslims. After Christchurch, that's now changed, FD.  No it hasn't. The Muslims have a pretty big head start. Either way, muslims invariably end up as victims. Muslims that you continue to stereotype and demonize as lazy and universal supporters of genocide Ah, the victim card. What does it mean Gandalf? Have non-Muslims also lost the right to speak their mind about Islam? What does it mean? Muslims were victims of a frightening act of intimidation that put people's lives at risk. Thats what it means. I reckon this is a good example of muslims having the right to play the victim card - don't you think FD? Or does it somehow not count just because the perpetrator was allegedly a muslim? Exactly what is the issue you have with me pointing out that muslims being the target of attacks by other muslims - produces "muslim victims"? Is it that it forces you to face the inconvenient truth that there are a heap of muslims out there that don't share the crazed and intolerant beliefs of the extremists - and furthermore they are killed because of it? I could see why that would make it more difficult for you to indiscriminately smear muslims en masse with hateful slurs like 'all muslims support genocide'.

You yourself once acknowledged that Muslims the world over have a victimhood complex problem. But here you are telling us we should focus on the fact that Muslims are the victims rather than the fact that they are the victims of Islam.

Have you ever met a Muslim who does not reflexively support genocide?

And where have I characterised these Muslim victims as lazy?

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:52pm:

You yourself once acknowledged that Muslims the world over have a victimhood complex problem.

Not the muslims who are actual victims. Again, why do you have a problem with me acknowledging real victims who are muslim? Are you going to say its because these victims "reflexively support genocide" - and subtly insinuate that they are somehow less deserving of claiming victim status? Would you like to smear the little 3 year old boy shot to death by Tarrant as a "reflexive supporter of genocide"? Well you already did - as per your next hateful slur rhetorical rhetorical question.


freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:52pm:

Have you ever met a Muslim who does not reflexively support genocide?

That is a deliberate insult FD - literally no different to asking "have you ever met a muslim who is not a kvnt?"

*LITERALLY* no different, and you know it. And I will not demean myself by pretending it warrants a serious response.

This is just one of the ways you deliberately 'play dirty', and disrespect people by engaging in grubby ad-hominem - in a way that you think makes it look like you are not being grubby and disrespectful.

At least Frank is "out and proud" in the way he abuses people.

Don't want to answer the question, eh? Typical Muslim.

FD had the same problem with Abu.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 2:59pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: You yourself once acknowledged that Muslims the world over have a victimhood complex problem. Not the muslims who are actual victims. Again, why do you have a problem with me acknowledging real victims who are muslim? Are you going to say its because these victims "reflexively support genocide" - and subtly insinuate that they are somehow less deserving of claiming victim status? Would you like to smear the little 3 year old boy shot to death by Tarrant as a "reflexive supporter of genocide"? Well you already did - as per your next hateful slur rhetorical rhetorical question. freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: Have you ever met a Muslim who does not reflexively support genocide? That is a deliberate insult FD - literally no different to asking "have you ever met a Muslim who is not a kvnt?" *LITERALLY* no different, and you know it. And I will not demean myself by pretending it warrants a serious response. This is just one of the ways you deliberately 'play dirty', and disrespect people by engaging in grubby ad-hominem - in a way that you think makes it look like you are not being grubby and disrespectful. At least Frank is "out and proud" in the way he abuses people.

:D :D :D

Muslims burning people in cages is spiritual struggle.  Me saying they are fvking barbarians is 'out and proud' abuser.  Get a grip on something other than Karnal's pizzle.  Reality, for example.

You Muslims are cruel to each other and the 'infidel'  on account of your scriptures and Mo's example. Every time this is pointed out to you you start wanking the likes of Karnal/Said/buggeralled, pretending that that is somehow a counter-argument.

You Muslims have bought into the Western Marxist/fascist propaganda handbook because the results of those fvckers appeals to your sense of how the world should be. But you understand none of it. You committed battalions to Hitler because you understood nothing beyond 'kill the Jews'. You are sad, stupid clients of Western ideological currents because you are slovenly, unlettered, suspicious of and hostile to learning.

You Muslims have never read widely enough. Still don't.

Frank wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 7:31pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 2:59pm: freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: You yourself once acknowledged that Muslims the world over have a victimhood complex problem. Not the muslims who are actual victims. Again, why do you have a problem with me acknowledging real victims who are muslim? Are you going to say its because these victims "reflexively support genocide" - and subtly insinuate that they are somehow less deserving of claiming victim status? Would you like to smear the little 3 year old boy shot to death by Tarrant as a "reflexive supporter of genocide"? Well you already did - as per your next hateful slur rhetorical rhetorical question. freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: Have you ever met a Muslim who does not reflexively support genocide? That is a deliberate insult FD - literally no different to asking "have you ever met a Muslim who is not a kvnt?" *LITERALLY* no different, and you know it. And I will not demean myself by pretending it warrants a serious response. This is just one of the ways you deliberately 'play dirty', and disrespect people by engaging in grubby ad-hominem - in a way that you think makes it look like you are not being grubby and disrespectful. At least Frank is "out and proud" in the way he abuses people. :D :D :D Muslims burning people in cages is spiritual struggle.  Me saying they are fvking barbarians is 'out and proud' abuser.  Get a grip on something other than Karnal's pizzle.  Reality, for example. You Muslims are cruel to each other and the 'infidel'  on account of your scriptures and Mo's example. Every time this is pointed out to you you start wanking the likes of Karnal/Said/buggeralled, pretending that that is somehow a counter-argument. You Muslims have bought into the Western Marxist/fascist propaganda handbook because the results of those fvckers appeals to your sense of how the world should be. But you understand none of it. You committed battalions to Hitler because you understood nothing beyond 'kill the Jews'. You are sad, stupid clients of Western ideological currents because you are slovenly, unlettered, suspicious of and hostile to learning. You Muslims have never read widely enough. Still don't.

Always absolutely never ever.

You were committed to Herr Hitler yourself once too, no?

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 7:42pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:31pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 2:59pm: freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: You yourself once acknowledged that Muslims the world over have a victimhood complex problem. Not the muslims who are actual victims. Again, why do you have a problem with me acknowledging real victims who are muslim? Are you going to say its because these victims "reflexively support genocide" - and subtly insinuate that they are somehow less deserving of claiming victim status? Would you like to smear the little 3 year old boy shot to death by Tarrant as a "reflexive supporter of genocide"? Well you already did - as per your next hateful slur rhetorical rhetorical question. freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: Have you ever met a Muslim who does not reflexively support genocide? That is a deliberate insult FD - literally no different to asking "have you ever met a Muslim who is not a kvnt?" *LITERALLY* no different, and you know it. And I will not demean myself by pretending it warrants a serious response. This is just one of the ways you deliberately 'play dirty', and disrespect people by engaging in grubby ad-hominem - in a way that you think makes it look like you are not being grubby and disrespectful. At least Frank is "out and proud" in the way he abuses people. :D :D :D Muslims burning people in cages is spiritual struggle.  Me saying they are fvking barbarians is 'out and proud' abuser.  Get a grip on something other than Karnal's pizzle.  Reality, for example. You Muslims are cruel to each other and the 'infidel'  on account of your scriptures and Mo's example. Every time this is pointed out to you you start wanking the likes of Karnal/Said/buggeralled, pretending that that is somehow a counter-argument. You Muslims have bought into the Western Marxist/fascist propaganda handbook because the results of those fvckers appeals to your sense of how the world should be. But you understand none of it. You committed battalions to Hitler because you understood nothing beyond 'kill the Jews'. You are sad, stupid clients of Western ideological currents because you are slovenly, unlettered, suspicious of and hostile to learning. You Muslims have never read widely enough. Still don't. Always absolutely never ever. You were committed to Herr Hitler yourself once too, no?

Wanking, as you do, on every thread is still not a coherent argument, Paki shiteater. It's still just shiteating.

mam miam away.

Frank wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 7:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:42pm: Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:31pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 2:59pm: freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: You yourself once acknowledged that Muslims the world over have a victimhood complex problem. Not the muslims who are actual victims. Again, why do you have a problem with me acknowledging real victims who are muslim? Are you going to say its because these victims "reflexively support genocide" - and subtly insinuate that they are somehow less deserving of claiming victim status? Would you like to smear the little 3 year old boy shot to death by Tarrant as a "reflexive supporter of genocide"? Well you already did - as per your next hateful slur rhetorical rhetorical question. freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: Have you ever met a Muslim who does not reflexively support genocide? That is a deliberate insult FD - literally no different to asking "have you ever met a Muslim who is not a kvnt?" *LITERALLY* no different, and you know it. And I will not demean myself by pretending it warrants a serious response. This is just one of the ways you deliberately 'play dirty', and disrespect people by engaging in grubby ad-hominem - in a way that you think makes it look like you are not being grubby and disrespectful. At least Frank is "out and proud" in the way he abuses people. :D :D :D Muslims burning people in cages is spiritual struggle.  Me saying they are fvking barbarians is 'out and proud' abuser.  Get a grip on something other than Karnal's pizzle.  Reality, for example. You Muslims are cruel to each other and the 'infidel'  on account of your scriptures and Mo's example. Every time this is pointed out to you you start wanking the likes of Karnal/Said/buggeralled, pretending that that is somehow a counter-argument. You Muslims have bought into the Western Marxist/fascist propaganda handbook because the results of those fvckers appeals to your sense of how the world should be. But you understand none of it. You committed battalions to Hitler because you understood nothing beyond 'kill the Jews'. You are sad, stupid clients of Western ideological currents because you are slovenly, unlettered, suspicious of and hostile to learning. You Muslims have never read widely enough. Still don't. Always absolutely never ever. You were committed to Herr Hitler yourself once too, no? Wanking, as you do, on every thread is still not a coherent argument, Paki shiteater. It's still just shiteating. mam miam away.

Not at all, Herr Soren. We distinctly remember your impassioned confessions here on this board.

Well, explosions. Something about so what if you were a Nazi? It's not as if we Pakistani Bastards could ever straighten the bins and make the trains run on time. We need men like you to... etc, etc, etc.

I distinctly remember agreeing with you too. If you Nazis ever take over again, we'd all support you for shure.

Just blame the Muselman.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 2:59pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: You yourself once acknowledged that Muslims the world over have a victimhood complex problem. Not the muslims who are actual victims. Again, why do you have a problem with me acknowledging real victims who are muslim? Are you going to say its because these victims "reflexively support genocide" - and subtly insinuate that they are somehow less deserving of claiming victim status? Would you like to smear the little 3 year old boy shot to death by Tarrant as a "reflexive supporter of genocide"? Well you already did - as per your next hateful slur rhetorical rhetorical question. freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: Have you ever met a Muslim who does not reflexively support genocide? That is a deliberate insult FD - literally no different to asking "have you ever met a muslim who is not a kvnt?" *LITERALLY* no different, and you know it. And I will not demean myself by pretending it warrants a serious response. This is just one of the ways you deliberately 'play dirty', and disrespect people by engaging in grubby ad-hominem - in a way that you think makes it look like you are not being grubby and disrespectful. At least Frank is "out and proud" in the way he abuses people.

But you all, quite literally, support genocide. Or at least, that has been my experience. Hence my suggestion that you give a counter example to prove me wrong. My question is a humble and open acknowledgement of the theoretical possibility that I am wrong. But I would never describe you as a knut. That is completely different. Undiplomatic even. It's good to be polite when discussing genocide with fascists, otherwise they get all shy and won't answer the question.

Everyone is a victim, by the way. But not everyone builds an identity around it.

You are not a victim FD and neither am I.

Victims are people who are have actually been victimised.

a 3 year old boy who has been shot to death because his father brought him to a peaceful place of worship is a victim. So too is a peaceful family group whose lives are put in danger by an abuser driving dangerously near them to intimidate them. Obviously not the same level of victims, but still victims.

These are the people you insist are supporters of genocide and fascists - the dead 3 year old, the father who tried to save him, and the traumatised family at that picnic. Moses goes a bit further and says they are all mentally disabled due to inbreeding. Yadda simply says they are to a man, woman and child wannabe psychopathic killers.

The point is, all of you deny muslims their basic humanity. You constantly claim, as does Frank, that all you are doing is blaming Islam, not individuals. The reality is, 'blaming Islam' is merely an excuse to dehumanize an entire population of people. There really is no other rational explanation for how you can so blithely insist that all muslims support genocide and clearly insinuate we are all fascists.

The scary thing is, this is exactly the same 'othering' process that enabled Tarrant to walk into those mosques.

Frank wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 7:31pm:

Me saying they are fvking barbarians is 'out and proud' abuser.

I think you misunderstood me Frank.

You calling Brian dickhead, and Karnal Paki bastard - things like that, is being an 'out and proud' abuser.

FD just tries to be more subtle with his abuse.

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Victims are people who are have actually been victimised.

So you have never been the victim of anything?


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The point is, all of you deny muslims their basic humanity.

Islam denies them their basic humanity. Just look at the old Caliphate and the shithole of oppression that Islam has carved out of what used to be the most advanced civilisation on earth.


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You constantly claim, as does Frank, that all you are doing is blaming Islam, not individuals.

To blame individuals completely misses the point. It's like talking about WWII without being able to talk about Nazis or democracy or fascism, as if the Nazis were just a coincidental combination of the undirected actions of independent individuals. This is your turd polishing effort at protecting Islam from blame by defining it out of existence.


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The reality is, 'blaming Islam' is merely an excuse to dehumanize an entire population of people.

This is you playing the victim card Gandalf, and quite hysterically too.

That's right, G. The old boy's not a hysteric, you are.

After all, as FD argues, you people are a mindless Collective, no individuality whatsoever.

You have to preach genocide, you have to execute gays who do it Mardi Gras-style. And yes, you have to describe Jews as a Mindless Collective, no individuality whatsoever, so unfair.

And so hysterical, as FD says.

Karnal wrote on Apr 19^th, 2019 at 12:27am:

Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:56pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:42pm: Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:31pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 2:59pm: freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: You yourself once acknowledged that Muslims the world over have a victimhood complex problem. Not the muslims who are actual victims. Again, why do you have a problem with me acknowledging real victims who are muslim? Are you going to say its because these victims "reflexively support genocide" - and subtly insinuate that they are somehow less deserving of claiming victim status? Would you like to smear the little 3 year old boy shot to death by Tarrant as a "reflexive supporter of genocide"? Well you already did - as per your next hateful slur rhetorical rhetorical question. freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: Have you ever met a Muslim who does not reflexively support genocide? That is a deliberate insult FD - literally no different to asking "have you ever met a Muslim who is not a kvnt?" *LITERALLY* no different, and you know it. And I will not demean myself by pretending it warrants a serious response. This is just one of the ways you deliberately 'play dirty', and disrespect people by engaging in grubby ad-hominem - in a way that you think makes it look like you are not being grubby and disrespectful. At least Frank is "out and proud" in the way he abuses people. :D :D :D Muslims burning people in cages is spiritual struggle.  Me saying they are fvking barbarians is 'out and proud' abuser.  Get a grip on something other than Karnal's pizzle.  Reality, for example. You Muslims are cruel to each other and the 'infidel'  on account of your scriptures and Mo's example. Every time this is pointed out to you you start wanking the likes of Karnal/Said/buggeralled, pretending that that is somehow a counter-argument. You Muslims have bought into the Western Marxist/fascist propaganda handbook because the results of those fvckers appeals to your sense of how the world should be. But you understand none of it. You committed battalions to Hitler because you understood nothing beyond 'kill the Jews'. You are sad, stupid clients of Western ideological currents because you are slovenly, unlettered, suspicious of and hostile to learning. You Muslims have never read widely enough. Still don't. Always absolutely never ever. You were committed to Herr Hitler yourself once too, no? Wanking, as you do, on every thread is still not a coherent argument, Paki shiteater. It's still just shiteating. mam miam away. Not at all, Herr Soren. We distinctly remember your impassioned confessions here on this board. Well, explosions. Something about so what if you were a Nazi? It's not as if we Pakistani Bastards could ever straighten the bins and make the trains run on time. We need men like you to... etc, etc, etc. I distinctly remember agreeing with you too. If you Nazis ever take over again, we'd all support you for shure. Just blame the Muselman.

You are delirious, arse bandit, you make it up from your faint and failing recollections of your sordid wank fantasies.

No ten rupee, needless to say.
Miam miam on.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 19^th, 2019 at 11:28am:

You are not a victim FD and neither am I. a peaceful family group whose lives are put in danger by an abuser driving dangerously near them to intimidate them.

A Nigerian Muslim. Don't elide it.


What is it with Muslims and dishonesty? It seems to be in your blood and for converts, you acquire it immediately on conversion.

I think the whole of Islam is a dishonest, resentful sleight of hand.  It improves nothing. It degrades everything it touches with it's bloody jihad.

Frank wrote on Apr 19^th, 2019 at 5:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 12:27am: Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:56pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:42pm: Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:31pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 2:59pm: freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: You yourself once acknowledged that Muslims the world over have a victimhood complex problem. Not the muslims who are actual victims. Again, why do you have a problem with me acknowledging real victims who are muslim? Are you going to say its because these victims "reflexively support genocide" - and subtly insinuate that they are somehow less deserving of claiming victim status? Would you like to smear the little 3 year old boy shot to death by Tarrant as a "reflexive supporter of genocide"? Well you already did - as per your next hateful slur rhetorical rhetorical question. freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: Have you ever met a Muslim who does not reflexively support genocide? That is a deliberate insult FD - literally no different to asking "have you ever met a Muslim who is not a kvnt?" *LITERALLY* no different, and you know it. And I will not demean myself by pretending it warrants a serious response. This is just one of the ways you deliberately 'play dirty', and disrespect people by engaging in grubby ad-hominem - in a way that you think makes it look like you are not being grubby and disrespectful. At least Frank is "out and proud" in the way he abuses people. :D :D :D Muslims burning people in cages is spiritual struggle.  Me saying they are fvking barbarians is 'out and proud' abuser.  Get a grip on something other than Karnal's pizzle.  Reality, for example. You Muslims are cruel to each other and the 'infidel'  on account of your scriptures and Mo's example. Every time this is pointed out to you you start wanking the likes of Karnal/Said/buggeralled, pretending that that is somehow a counter-argument. You Muslims have bought into the Western Marxist/fascist propaganda handbook because the results of those fvckers appeals to your sense of how the world should be. But you understand none of it. You committed battalions to Hitler because you understood nothing beyond 'kill the Jews'. You are sad, stupid clients of Western ideological currents because you are slovenly, unlettered, suspicious of and hostile to learning. You Muslims have never read widely enough. Still don't. Always absolutely never ever. You were committed to Herr Hitler yourself once too, no? Wanking, as you do, on every thread is still not a coherent argument, Paki shiteater. It's still just shiteating. mam miam away. Not at all, Herr Soren. We distinctly remember your impassioned confessions here on this board. Well, explosions. Something about so what if you were a Nazi? It's not as if we Pakistani Bastards could ever straighten the bins and make the trains run on time. We need men like you to... etc, etc, etc. I distinctly remember agreeing with you too. If you Nazis ever take over again, we'd all support you for shure. Just blame the Muselman. You are delirious, arse bandit, you make it up from your faint and failing recollections of your sordid wank fantasies. No ten rupee, needless to say. Miam miam on.

Good point, Frank. I may have confused you with another poor fellow - man by the name of Sore-end.

Did you ever get to meet him?

Karnal wrote on Apr 19^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 5:55pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 12:27am: Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:56pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:42pm: Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 7:31pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18th, 2019 at 2:59pm: freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: You yourself once acknowledged that Muslims the world over have a victimhood complex problem. Not the muslims who are actual victims. Again, why do you have a problem with me acknowledging real victims who are muslim? Are you going to say its because these victims "reflexively support genocide" - and subtly insinuate that they are somehow less deserving of claiming victim status? Would you like to smear the little 3 year old boy shot to death by Tarrant as a "reflexive supporter of genocide"? Well you already did - as per your next hateful slur rhetorical rhetorical question. freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:52pm: Have you ever met a Muslim who does not reflexively support genocide? That is a deliberate insult FD - literally no different to asking "have you ever met a Muslim who is not a kvnt?" *LITERALLY* no different, and you know it. And I will not demean myself by pretending it warrants a serious response. This is just one of the ways you deliberately 'play dirty', and disrespect people by engaging in grubby ad-hominem - in a way that you think makes it look like you are not being grubby and disrespectful. At least Frank is "out and proud" in the way he abuses people. :D :D :D Muslims burning people in cages is spiritual struggle.  Me saying they are fvking barbarians is 'out and proud' abuser.  Get a grip on something other than Karnal's pizzle.  Reality, for example. You Muslims are cruel to each other and the 'infidel'  on account of your scriptures and Mo's example. Every time this is pointed out to you you start wanking the likes of Karnal/Said/buggeralled, pretending that that is somehow a counter-argument. You Muslims have bought into the Western Marxist/fascist propaganda handbook because the results of those fvckers appeals to your sense of how the world should be. But you understand none of it. You committed battalions to Hitler because you understood nothing beyond 'kill the Jews'. You are sad, stupid clients of Western ideological currents because you are slovenly, unlettered, suspicious of and hostile to learning. You Muslims have never read widely enough. Still don't. Always absolutely never ever. You were committed to Herr Hitler yourself once too, no? Wanking, as you do, on every thread is still not a coherent argument, Paki shiteater. It's still just shiteating. mam miam away. Not at all, Herr Soren. We distinctly remember your impassioned confessions here on this board. Well, explosions. Something about so what if you were a Nazi? It's not as if we Pakistani Bastards could ever straighten the bins and make the trains run on time. We need men like you to... etc, etc, etc. I distinctly remember agreeing with you too. If you Nazis ever take over again, we'd all support you for shure. Just blame the Muselman. You are delirious, arse bandit, you make it up from your faint and failing recollections of your sordid wank fantasies. No ten rupee, needless to say. Miam miam on. Good point, Frank. I may have confused you with another poor fellow - man by the name of Sore-end. Did you ever get to meet him?

Who cares? You remain the same vacuous arse bandit and wanker you have always been. Whether i know who you are referring to or not, you remain the miam miaming trouser sniffing wank fantasist.

Objective truth.

Frank, poor old Sore-end was forced to suck my cock on many occasions. He enjoyed doing it. He'd kneel down and do his work - a most active throat if I recall, strong tonsils. Behind all his silly wog hysterics, he was really quite obedient.

I get the impression you're the same - a tedious old bore, sure, but deep down, you're subservient to those smarter and better than you. You actually want to help us keep you in line.

This is a good thing. Don't struggle, just kneel down and submit. We'll look after you, you know that.

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2019 at 12:26pm:

So you have never been the victim of anything?

I am white, male, hetereosexual living in Australia - so no.


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Islam denies them their basic humanity. Just look at the old Caliphate and the shithole of oppression that Islam has carved out of what used to be the most advanced civilisation on earth.

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To blame individuals completely misses the point. It's like talking about WWII without being able to talk about Nazis or democracy or fascism, as if the Nazis were just a coincidental combination of the undirected actions of independent individuals. This is your turd polishing effort at protecting Islam from blame by defining it out of existence.

You do nothing but blame individuals FD. Whether its me or Yasmin Abdel-Magied, or (probably your favourite), spineless apologists like Bwian. You do it by taking your negative impression of Islam and applying it as the default negative identity and characteristic of any given individual muslim you come across. Instead of just accepting individuals for who they actually are, including through their demonstrated behaviour. You singularly deny any individual muslim the ability to rationalise a version of Islam that is palatable with civilized society - and viciously attack anyone who claims to do so as a sinister liar. If this seems far fetched to you, ask yourself if you would ever consider any muslim, anywhere in the world, as something other than innately dishonest and generally sinister and hostile to anything 'unislamic'.



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This is you playing the victim card Gandalf, and quite hysterically too.

When you literally dismiss an entire population of over a billion, from all corners of the globe, encompassing just about all possible cultures and ethnicities as "reflexive supporters of genocide" and spinelessly apologise for people who label them (for example) all mentally disabled due to inbreeding, there are inevitably going to be victims, as sure as night follows day. Like, for example, the people at the receiving end of a guy with a semi-automatic rifle, who had rationalised pretty much the same de-humanizing process as you are now - that enables him to see men, women and 3 year old children in any old random mosque as all somehow equally guilty.

Think thats unfair? Well you literally think that every one of those 50 victims at Christchurch were fascists and "reflexive supporters of genocide". You deny every single muslim - man, woman and child, any agency (mindless collective anyone?), and thereby deny them of their basic humanity - thus you dehumanize them. Tarrant did that too.

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You do nothing but blame individuals FD.

I blame Islam.


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Whether its me or Yasmin Abdel-Magied, or (probably your favourite), spineless apologists like Bwian.

I blamed yassmin for the stupid all the stupid poo she did. Same with Brian. All I have to do is quote him.


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You do it by taking your negative impression of Islam and applying it as the default negative identity and characteristic of any given individual muslim you come across.

I do it by quoting the incredibly stupid and spineless things he says about Islam.


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Instead of just accepting individuals for who they actually are

You mean not mentioning the incredibly stupid and spineless things he posts?


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including through their demonstrated behaviour

Brian's demonstrated behaviour is the incredibly stupid and spineless things he posts.


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You singularly deny any individual muslim the ability to rationalise a version of Islam that is palatable with civilized society

You are incapable of doing this, but it is not my fault. I did not force you to politely promote genocide.


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If this seems far fetched to you, ask yourself if you would ever consider any muslim, anywhere in the world, as something other than innately dishonest and generally sinister and hostile to anything 'unislamic'.

Sure. I have even worked with Muslims before. They spun me no lies, so I have no reason to consider them liars.

Though to be fair, I do generally expect Muslims to be hostile to things that are unIslamic. For example I would not try to feed them a ham sandwich during ramadan.


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Think thats unfair? Well you literally think that every one of those 50 victims at Christchurch were fascists and "reflexive supporters of genocide".

Have you ever met a Muslim who is not? You can include dead ones if it helps.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 12:08pm:

When you literally dismiss an entire population of over a billion, from all corners of the globe, encompassing just about all possible cultures and ethnicities as "reflexive supporters of genocide" and spinelessly apologise for people who label them (for example) all mentally disabled due to inbreeding, there are inevitably going to be victims, as sure as night follows day. Like, for example, the people at the receiving end of a guy with a semi-automatic rifle, who had rationalised pretty much the same de-humanizing process as you are now - that enables him to see men, women and 3 year old children in any old random mosque as all somehow equally guilty. Think thats unfair? Well you literally think that every one of those 50 victims at Christchurch were fascists and "reflexive supporters of genocide". You deny every single muslim - man, woman and child, any agency (mindless collective anyone?), and thereby deny them of their basic humanity - thus you dehumanize them. Tarrant did that too.

Just because a large number of people believe something doesn't make it right.  Aztecs and Incas ALL believed and practiced human sacrifice. They were ALL wrong.

Islam teaches jihad and conquest and world domination. ALL the Muslims who credit that are wrong.  A billion, two billion - still wrong.

How many people believe something is not validating that belief.

Islam does demand a large degree of mindless obedience, the very idea is submission. Mindless collective is saying that very thing is a pointed way. No room for thinking for yourself (apostasy) and freedom and individuality and dissent in Submission. They kill you for THINKING outside the tenets of Submission.


Islam is a reactionary creed in every aspect of it. It has nothing new in it that is positive. Nothing. Islam has not made the world better anywhere. It is ALWAYS in a fight with whoever is near it.

You are all the sons of Ishmael, 'a wild ass of a man' which explains a lot in very few words. Churchill elaborates:

Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men’s passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination. But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness. In a moment the fruits of patient toil, the prospects of material prosperity, the fear of death itself, are flung aside. The more emotional Pathans are powerless to resist. All rational considerations are forgotten. Seizing their weapons, they become Ghazis—as danger­ous and as sensible as mad dogs: fit only to be treated as such. While the more generous spirits among the tribesmen become convulsed in an ecstasy of religious blood­thirstiness, poorer and more material souls derive additional impulses from the influence of others, the hopes of plunder and the joy of fighting. Thus whole nations are roused to arms. Thus the Turks repel their enemies, the Arabs of the Soudan break the British squares, and the rising on the Indian frontier spreads far and wide. In each case civilisation is confronted with militant Mahommedanism. The forces of progress clash with those of reaction. The religion of blood and war is face to face with that of peace. Luckily the religion of peace is usually the better armed.i

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 6:11pm:

Sure. I have even worked with Muslims before. They spun me no lies, so I have no reason to consider them liars. Though to be fair, I do generally expect Muslims to be hostile to things that are unIslamic. For example I would not try to feed them a ham sandwich during ramadan.

Thats nice, but I'm afraid its just empty posturing. You will still insist they are reflexive supporters of genocide.

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 7:10pm:

Islam teaches jihad and conquest and world domination.

Sorry Frank but I stopped reading there. I'm pretty confident the rest of the essay is just yet another 'never ever' rant based on this one falsehood.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 7:10pm: Islam teaches jihad and conquest and world domination. Sorry Frank but I stopped reading there. I'm pretty confident the rest of the essay is just yet another 'never ever' rant based on this one falsehood.

So it is true and you want to conceal it.

Jihad and the caliphate are central to Islam. You can pretend otherwise and stop your ears and close your eyes but the murderous rampage of Islam will go on without you.

Being a passive, low-energy little Italian convert to Islam who is still a bit a Catholic at heart is completely irrelevant and utterly unconvincing when looked at in the context of the sweeping and relentless violence of Islam. You are a little mouse of no relevance and no impact.  You squeak and imagine that your squeaking is making a difference to your murderous brethren or the people they are relentlessly murdering.

Well, it evidently does not. You are the proverbial ashtray on Islam's motorbike, Giovanni.  You will become relevant when ashtrays on motorbikes become relevant.  ER.... never ever.

Geddit? (No, you never will. Having converted to Islam from Catholicism, it would look like utter incontinence to now wake up from the Islamic nightmare.)

Any more news on this yet?  Was it a Sunni Shia thing?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 7:10pm: Islam teaches jihad and conquest and world domination. Sorry Frank but I stopped reading there. I'm pretty confident the rest of the essay is just yet another 'never ever' rant based on this one falsehood.

Have you read chapter 9?


polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 7:39pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 6:11pm: Sure. I have even worked with Muslims before. They spun me no lies, so I have no reason to consider them liars. Though to be fair, I do generally expect Muslims to be hostile to things that are unIslamic. For example I would not try to feed them a ham sandwich during ramadan. Thats nice, but I'm afraid its just empty posturing. You will still insist they are reflexive supporters of genocide.

Have you ever met one who isn't? I've never met a Muslim who says things like "oh yeah, maybe Muhammad shouldn't have slaughtered all those Jews".

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 8:17am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 7:41pm: Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 7:10pm: Islam teaches jihad and conquest and world domination. Sorry Frank but I stopped reading there. I'm pretty confident the rest of the essay is just yet another 'never ever' rant based on this one falsehood. Have you read chapter 9? polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 7:39pm: freediver wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 6:11pm: Sure. I have even worked with Muslims before. They spun me no lies, so I have no reason to consider them liars. Though to be fair, I do generally expect Muslims to be hostile to things that are unIslamic. For example I would not try to feed them a ham sandwich during ramadan. Thats nice, but I'm afraid its just empty posturing. You will still insist they are reflexive supporters of genocide. Have you ever met one who isn't? I've never met a Muslim who says things like "oh yeah, maybe Muhammad shouldn't have slaughtered all those Jews".

You've only met 3, dear, and that was here on the internet.

Are you kidding, Carnal? In western sydney there are more f.u.c.k.e.n sand-n.i.g.g.e.r.s than any other race. Apologies, after asians (yellow and tinted). Muslims ceases being a mystery to us forty years ago.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 11:50am:

Are you kidding, Carnal? In western sydney there are more f.u.c.k.e.n sand-n.i.g.g.e.r.s than any other race. Apologies, after asians (yellow and tinted). Muslims ceases being a mystery to us forty years ago.

Given you're into Multiculturalism, dear, how many have you met?

You once acknowledged that the Turks you knew were good blokes - loyal, generous, kind.

Now?

I don't have to explain or apologise for anything to you, dip s.h.i.t. My ancestors burned the Aborigines off the land to settle this country. Accordingly, successive generations of soft c.o.c.k governments have wilfully set out to flood this country with cheap labour from the third world. To think Australian citizens to the manor bourne such as myself should be grateful for that. Get f.u.c.k.e.d.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:14pm:

I don't have to explain or apologise for anything to you, dip s.h.i.t. My ancestors burned the Aborigines off the land to settle this country. Accordingly, successive generations of soft c.o.c.k governments have wilfully set out to flood this country with cheap labour from the third world. To think Australian citizens to the manor bourne such as myself should be grateful for that. Get f.u.c.k.e.d.

White pride, innit.

What do you think, FD? Do you concur?

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 8:17am:

Have you ever met one who isn't?

You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it?

Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people.

Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it.

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 9:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 7:41pm: Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 7:10pm: Islam teaches jihad and conquest and world domination. Sorry Frank but I stopped reading there. I'm pretty confident the rest of the essay is just yet another 'never ever' rant based on this one falsehood. So it is true and you want to conceal it. Jihad and the caliphate are central to Islam. You can pretend otherwise and stop your ears and close your eyes but the murderous rampage of Islam will go on without you. Being a passive, low-energy little Italian convert to Islam who is still a bit a Catholic at heart is completely irrelevant and utterly unconvincing when looked at in the context of the sweeping and relentless violence of Islam. You are a little mouse of no relevance and no impact.  You squeak and imagine that your squeaking is making a difference to your murderous brethren or the people they are relentlessly murdering. Well, it evidently does not. You are the proverbial ashtray on Islam's motorbike, Giovanni.  You will become relevant when ashtrays on motorbikes become relevant.  ER.... never ever. Geddit? (No, you never will. Having converted to Islam from Catholicism, it would look like utter incontinence to now wake up from the Islamic nightmare.)

It is true I have zero relevance or impact on the shape of Islam in the world. I never claimed otherwise

All of us are nothing but tiny individuals in a big world, just trying to find personal fulfillment and provide for our families. Very very few of us get to have any relevance or impact on any geopolitical events. Nor should any of us be held personally responsible for such events.

This, funnily enough, is the very point I feel I need to make towards those who constantly lump individual muslims into some mindless collective borg where any and every individual is somehow directly responsible for any and every act of Islamic terrorism, or any other Islam-related negative development, no matter where it occurs. The vast majority of muslims are just normal individuals trying to make something for themselves and their children in this fleeting existence like the rest of us.

Also, I was never catholic. 

Karnal wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:14pm: I don't have to explain or apologise for anything to you, dip s.h.i.t. My ancestors burned the Aborigines off the land to settle this country. Accordingly, successive generations of soft c.o.c.k governments have wilfully set out to flood this country with cheap labour from the third world. To think Australian citizens to the manor bourne such as myself should be grateful for that. Get f.u.c.k.e.d. White pride, innit. What do you think, FD? Do you concur?

Not white pride, actually. Anger at the wilful destruction of a united, strong society by powerful people who have decided that they are the sole proprietors of the best interests of Australians. Shove your useless vote up your a.r.s.e.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 2:01pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 9:22pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 7:41pm: Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 7:10pm: Islam teaches jihad and conquest and world domination. Sorry Frank but I stopped reading there. I'm pretty confident the rest of the essay is just yet another 'never ever' rant based on this one falsehood. So it is true and you want to conceal it. Jihad and the caliphate are central to Islam. You can pretend otherwise and stop your ears and close your eyes but the murderous rampage of Islam will go on without you. Being a passive, low-energy little Italian convert to Islam who is still a bit a Catholic at heart is completely irrelevant and utterly unconvincing when looked at in the context of the sweeping and relentless violence of Islam. You are a little mouse of no relevance and no impact.  You squeak and imagine that your squeaking is making a difference to your murderous brethren or the people they are relentlessly murdering. Well, it evidently does not. You are the proverbial ashtray on Islam's motorbike, Giovanni.  You will become relevant when ashtrays on motorbikes become relevant.  ER.... never ever. Geddit? (No, you never will. Having converted to Islam from Catholicism, it would look like utter incontinence to now wake up from the Islamic nightmare.) It is true I have zero relevance or impact on the shape of Islam in the world. I never claimed otherwise All of us are nothing but tiny individuals in a big world, just trying to find personal fulfillment and provide for our families. Very very few of us get to have any relevance or impact on any geopolitical events. Nor should any of us be held personally responsible for such events. This, funnily enough, is the very point I feel I need to make towards those who constantly lump individual muslims into some mindless collective borg where any and every individual is somehow directly responsible for any and every act of Islamic terrorism, or any other Islam-related negative development, no matter where it occurs. The vast majority of muslims are just normal individuals trying to make something for themselves and their children in this fleeting existence like the rest of us. Also, I was never catholic.

You are Italian so I assumed you were Catholic before you converted.

The mindless borg collective reference is apt, although I am not a star wars insider. The attitude of Islam, Submission, is that of a mindless submissive collective.


Look at the 9/11 murderers and the Sri Lankan bombers and all jihadis in between: educated, gone to Western universities, had ample opportunity to see the value of individual freedom, compromise in political matters, getting along with others. And yet they turned to Islamic scripture and murdered scores and hundreds and thousands for nothing better than Allah.

Once you are infected with the Koran you are an unpredictable walking jihadi IED. ALL jihadis are animated by the Koran and Mohammed. No exception.


As for your influence on islam - you are hiding here, arguing with FD and me and our ilk INSTEAD of going after the rotters of your adopted religion. But you are afraid to confront them whereas you are perfectly safe from us.

You are a coward.  You should be on Islamic forums batting for your supposed enlightened Islam, not here arguing with people like me who will never hurt you and so are very safe to have ideological jihad against.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 12:08pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 12:26pm: So you have never been the victim of anything? I am white, male, hetereosexual living in Australia - so no.

What a sly slanderer you are, Moor.

Karnal wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:14pm: I don't have to explain or apologise for anything to you, dip s.h.i.t. My ancestors burned the Aborigines off the land to settle this country. Accordingly, successive generations of soft c.o.c.k governments have wilfully set out to flood this country with cheap labour from the third world. To think Australian citizens to the manor bourne such as myself should be grateful for that. Get f.u.c.k.e.d. White pride, innit. What do you think, FD? Do you concur?

You never grin and suck dix about Muslims pride, various Asian and Muslims expressing pride about their inheritance.  You, a Paki shithead, only ever find fault with white people being ALSO proud of their inheritance.

Go and gobble shome more miam miam shite, there's ten rupee in it for ya, Ahmed.  Go on, you know you want to.

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 12:08pm: freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 12:26pm: So you have never been the victim of anything? I am white, male, hetereosexual living in Australia - so no. What a sly slanderer you are, Moor.

I agree. Fancy being Muslim, white, male and a breeder.

G should come and study at the Faculty of Pakistani Studies - based on a therapeutic model, there's counselling, disability access, cushions you can take out your anger on. It's a a fully accredited safe place.

We'd turn him round in no time, dear.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 19^th, 2019 at 11:28am:

You are not a victim FD and neither am I. Victims are people who are have actually been victimised. a 3 year old boy who has been shot to death because his father brought him to a peaceful place of worship is a victim. So too is a peaceful family group whose lives are put in danger by an abuser driving dangerously near them to intimidate them. Obviously not the same level of victims, but still victims. These are the people you insist are supporters of genocide and fascists - the dead 3 year old, the father who tried to save him, and the traumatised family at that picnic. Moses goes a bit further and says they are all mentally disabled due to inbreeding. Yadda simply says they are to a man, woman and child wannabe psychopathic killers. The point is, all of you deny muslims their basic humanity. You constantly claim, as does Frank, that all you are doing is blaming Islam, not individuals. The reality is, 'blaming Islam' is merely an excuse to dehumanize an entire population of people. There really is no other rational explanation for how you can so blithely insist that all muslims support genocide and clearly insinuate we are all fascists. The scary thing is, this is exactly the same 'othering' process that enabled Tarrant to walk into those mosques.

Muslims kill other Muslims every day.
Muslims kill non-Muslims every day.


Non-Muslims kill Muslims every 10 years.

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 6:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 11:28am: You are not a victim FD and neither am I. Victims are people who are have actually been victimised. a 3 year old boy who has been shot to death because his father brought him to a peaceful place of worship is a victim. So too is a peaceful family group whose lives are put in danger by an abuser driving dangerously near them to intimidate them. Obviously not the same level of victims, but still victims. These are the people you insist are supporters of genocide and fascists - the dead 3 year old, the father who tried to save him, and the traumatised family at that picnic. Moses goes a bit further and says they are all mentally disabled due to inbreeding. Yadda simply says they are to a man, woman and child wannabe psychopathic killers. The point is, all of you deny muslims their basic humanity. You constantly claim, as does Frank, that all you are doing is blaming Islam, not individuals. The reality is, 'blaming Islam' is merely an excuse to dehumanize an entire population of people. There really is no other rational explanation for how you can so blithely insist that all muslims support genocide and clearly insinuate we are all fascists. The scary thing is, this is exactly the same 'othering' process that enabled Tarrant to walk into those mosques. Muslims kill other Muslims every day. Muslims kill non-Muslims every day. Non-Muslims kill Muslims every 10 years.

CARPETBOMB THEM.

Karnal wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 7:33pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 6:57pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 11:28am: You are not a victim FD and neither am I. Victims are people who are have actually been victimised. a 3 year old boy who has been shot to death because his father brought him to a peaceful place of worship is a victim. So too is a peaceful family group whose lives are put in danger by an abuser driving dangerously near them to intimidate them. Obviously not the same level of victims, but still victims. These are the people you insist are supporters of genocide and fascists - the dead 3 year old, the father who tried to save him, and the traumatised family at that picnic. Moses goes a bit further and says they are all mentally disabled due to inbreeding. Yadda simply says they are to a man, woman and child wannabe psychopathic killers. The point is, all of you deny muslims their basic humanity. You constantly claim, as does Frank, that all you are doing is blaming Islam, not individuals. The reality is, 'blaming Islam' is merely an excuse to dehumanize an entire population of people. There really is no other rational explanation for how you can so blithely insist that all muslims support genocide and clearly insinuate we are all fascists. The scary thing is, this is exactly the same 'othering' process that enabled Tarrant to walk into those mosques. Muslims kill other Muslims every day. Muslims kill non-Muslims every day. Non-Muslims kill Muslims every 10 years. CARPETBOMB THEM.

Stupid arse bandit.

Frank wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 7:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 7:33pm: Frank wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 6:57pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 11:28am: You are not a victim FD and neither am I. Victims are people who are have actually been victimised. a 3 year old boy who has been shot to death because his father brought him to a peaceful place of worship is a victim. So too is a peaceful family group whose lives are put in danger by an abuser driving dangerously near them to intimidate them. Obviously not the same level of victims, but still victims. These are the people you insist are supporters of genocide and fascists - the dead 3 year old, the father who tried to save him, and the traumatised family at that picnic. Moses goes a bit further and says they are all mentally disabled due to inbreeding. Yadda simply says they are to a man, woman and child wannabe psychopathic killers. The point is, all of you deny muslims their basic humanity. You constantly claim, as does Frank, that all you are doing is blaming Islam, not individuals. The reality is, 'blaming Islam' is merely an excuse to dehumanize an entire population of people. There really is no other rational explanation for how you can so blithely insist that all muslims support genocide and clearly insinuate we are all fascists. The scary thing is, this is exactly the same 'othering' process that enabled Tarrant to walk into those mosques. Muslims kill other Muslims every day. Muslims kill non-Muslims every day. Non-Muslims kill Muslims every 10 years. CARPETBOMB THEM. Stupid arse bandit.

Changed your mind, have you?

Shurely shome mishtake.

Tendentious, no?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it.

I don't ask people at work about their religious views. Even over beers.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it.

You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world. 

BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised. It is distilled 'pure' Islamic IDEOLOGY that motivates them.

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world.  BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised.

Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids.

To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this.

And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism.

What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up?

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What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up?

The qur'an and its' crap about how allah loves those who die while killing the kufir, they are to get a guaranteed promise of swathes of aliens with big tits and little boys in the heavenly muslim brothel?

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 3:42pm:

Quote: What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up? The qur'an and its' crap about how allah loves those who die while killing the kufir, they are to get a guaranteed promise of swathes of aliens with big tits and little boys in the heavenly muslim brothel?

That's not what Islam or Muslims teach, Moses, but sure, they must believe something like that. 

How can educated, well-off people believe this? They have professions, families, their whole lives ahead of them. In the case of the Sri Lankan mother, she was happy to take her kids and herself out, along with 3 cops when they came to investigate.

This isn't the act of a rich woman, it's the act of a desperate person who's lost everything. In her case, I guess she had, but she took part in it. Imagine, she killed her own kids for her cause.

Within Islam, such an action sends you to eternity in hell. This is what Islam teaches - God values all human life. Above all, God values justice. All, Islam teaches, face justice.

Now I can only assume that this woman was so brainwashed that she was prepared to give it all away. But an educated, thinking person? How could you possibly ignore everything in your religion about the sanctity of human life and the importance of mercy, charity, peace?

I don't see how this is possible, but it quite clearly is. How could someone be so blinkered as to kill hundreds, themselves and their own children, for nothing?

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:08pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world.  BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised. Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids. To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this. And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism. What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up?

The afterlife is given more allure than the present?

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:43pm: Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:08pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world.  BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised. Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids. To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this. And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism. What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up? The afterlife is given more allure than the present?

How many people think that?

Who suicides for religion?

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 9:59am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. I don't ask people at work about their religious views. Even over beers.

Right, so you freely accept that every single muslim is a reflexive supporter of genocide - even as you concede that you knew muslims who never actually indicated that to you.

Good to know.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:08pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world.  BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised. Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids. To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this. And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism. What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up?

You left out the pertinent conclusion of my post, perplexed shiteater.

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:43pm: Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:08pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world.  BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised. Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids. To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this. And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism. What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up? You left out the pertinent conclusion of my post, perplexed shiteater.

Was it really pertinent, dear boy, or merely pert?

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 6:55pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:43pm: Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:08pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world.  BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised. Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids. To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this. And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism. What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up? The afterlife is given more allure than the present? How many people think that? Who suicides for religion?

It's not suicide to them. It's martyrdom.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 6:55pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:43pm: Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:08pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world.  BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised. Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids. To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this. And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism. What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up? The afterlife is given more allure than the present? How many people think that? Who suicides for religion?

Muslims.

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:50pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 6:55pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:43pm: Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:08pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world.  BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised. Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids. To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this. And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism. What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up? The afterlife is given more allure than the present? How many people think that? Who suicides for religion? It's not suicide to them. It's martyrdom.

So how can killing innocent people in church possibly be martyrdom? There's no war on. They aren't defending anybody.

There has to be some logic to this. We've already seen where Moses' interpretations are well off the mark. As G has shown, no Muslims he knows could possibly condone acts like these.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 10:19pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:50pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 6:55pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:43pm: Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:08pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world.  BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised. Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids. To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this. And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism. What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up? The afterlife is given more allure than the present? How many people think that? Who suicides for religion? It's not suicide to them. It's martyrdom. So how can killing innocent people in church possibly be martyrdom? There's no war on. They aren't defending anybody. There has to be some logic to this. We've already seen where Moses' interpretations are well off the mark. As G has shown, no Muslims he knows could possibly condone acts like these.

Yet they do it time and time again.
Blowing themselves up in schools, churches.
A few nasty tripwires in Islam eh?

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 10:45pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 10:19pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:50pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 6:55pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:43pm: Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 2:08pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists  barbarism every day across the world.  BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's  no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised. Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids. To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this. And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism. What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up? The afterlife is given more allure than the present? How many people think that? Who suicides for religion? It's not suicide to them. It's martyrdom. So how can killing innocent people in church possibly be martyrdom? There's no war on. They aren't defending anybody. There has to be some logic to this. We've already seen where Moses' interpretations are well off the mark. As G has shown, no Muslims he knows could possibly condone acts like these. Yet they do it time and time again. Blowing themselves up in schools, churches. A few nasty tripwires in Islam eh?

Most are in wars, I get that. Not the random victims, but the struggle. You see people you know getting tortured and killed by a guy like Assad and it gets personal.

But exporting your "war" to a place like Sri Lanka with no animousity I can see against Muslims, and it can't possibly be seen as Martyrdom.

These aren't the poor downtrodden, they're a wealthy spice family. They would never have had to struggle all that much - unlike, say, the Tamils. Muslims in Sri Lanka are often merchants and landowners. Many came from Malaysia to work as civil servants (and labourers) under the British.

There's a story about this family that's much more complicated than I blame Islam. I'm interested in that. I'd also like to know how they can justify it to themselves.

According to Abu, the west has been at war with the Muslim world for a few centuries. That's the whole point of the Muslim victimhood industry.


polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 9:36pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:59am: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:17am: Have you ever met one who isn't? You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it? Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people. Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it. I don't ask people at work about their religious views. Even over beers. Right, so you freely accept that every single muslim is a reflexive supporter of genocide - even as you concede that you knew muslims who never actually indicated that to you. Good to know.

Every one that I have actually spoken to about it is. And you are not willing to identify a single Muslim who is not.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 7:59am:

Every one that I have actually spoken to about it is.

You don't make that qualification when you declare that every single muslim in the world - man woman and child are genocide supporters. I mean, you don't say "all muslims support genocide - because I've encountered 3 or 4 on an internet forum who all do". No, its literally just "all muslims support genocide" - full stop. Thats a direct quote too, by the way.

Is the only logic you use to arrive at this that all muslims are necessarily genocide supporters by default, and its up to them to prove that they are not?

Tell me FD, did you deliberately avoid the subject with your workmates in case they proved your prejudice about a dehumanized muslim hive mind for the bigotry that it is?

Ought I assume that Muslims will openly criticise Muhammad as acting immorally?

you ought to assume that when you label someone a reflexive genocide supporter, that should be based on some indication from them that they actually are.

So Muslims are now so shielded from criticism that we ought not assume they defend Muhammad's actions unless we hear it from every single one of them?

The latest terrorist.


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The usual suspects   ::)

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

So Muslims are now so shielded from criticism that we ought not assume they defend Muhammad's actions unless we hear it from every single one of them?

Not at all. They're such a mindless collective, just one will do.

I say, FD, you and Brenton Tarrant are white, no?

BAN THEM.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

So Muslims are now so shielded from criticism that we ought not assume they defend Muhammad's actions unless we hear it from every single one of them?

I think its absurd to assume that someone is a reflexive genocide supporter based on nothing but your own deluded version of a) what muslims believe and b) what genocide is. And most certainly not based on actually finding out what that someone says about it themselves.

By the way, have you ever met anyone else who refers to the Banu Qurayza massacre as a "genocide"?

Personally, I think its taking hysterical hyperbole to the absurd - to the extent that you knowingly and so blatantly dishonestly equate muslims with nazis - based on the knowledge that in our culture the word "genocide" is so closely associated with the holocaust. After all, every other day you bend over backwards to stress how Islamic ideology is at least as bad as Nazi ideology. Its not a coincidence.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2019 at 2:59pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 8:40pm: So Muslims are now so shielded from criticism that we ought not assume they defend Muhammad's actions unless we hear it from every single one of them? I think its absurd to assume that someone is a reflexive genocide supporter based on nothing but your own deluded version of a) what muslims believe and b) what genocide is. And most certainly not based on actually finding out what that someone says about it themselves. By the way, have you ever met anyone else who refers to the Banu Qurayza massacre as a "genocide"? Personally, I think its taking hysterical hyperbole to the absurd - to the extent that you knowingly and so blatantly dishonestly equate muslims with nazis - based on the knowledge that in our culture the word "genocide" is so closely associated with the holocaust. After all, every other day you bend over backwards to stress how Islamic ideology is at least as bad as Nazi ideology. Its not a coincidence.

Do Muslims believe that Muhammad was the best example to all mankind? Or is that hysterical hyperbole?

And there are plenty who refer to Muhammad's actions as genocide. Some Muslims even argue the victims were a mindless collective of treacherous Jews.

There you go, you see, G. You're the one going around calling it a genocide by describing them as a Mindless Collective.

Now you apologise to FD.

freediver wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2019 at 2:59pm: freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 8:40pm: So Muslims are now so shielded from criticism that we ought not assume they defend Muhammad's actions unless we hear it from every single one of them? I think its absurd to assume that someone is a reflexive genocide supporter based on nothing but your own deluded version of a) what muslims believe and b) what genocide is. And most certainly not based on actually finding out what that someone says about it themselves. By the way, have you ever met anyone else who refers to the Banu Qurayza massacre as a "genocide"? Personally, I think its taking hysterical hyperbole to the absurd - to the extent that you knowingly and so blatantly dishonestly equate muslims with nazis - based on the knowledge that in our culture the word "genocide" is so closely associated with the holocaust. After all, every other day you bend over backwards to stress how Islamic ideology is at least as bad as Nazi ideology. Its not a coincidence. Do Muslims believe that Muhammad was the best example to all mankind? Or is that hysterical hyperbole?

Yes, but to draw the long bow that they personally believe he committed genocide just because you interpret it as such, and therefore they must "reflexively support genocide" is indeed hysterical hyperbole. Especially when you openly admit that you avoid the subject with any muslims you actually know in the real world (outside an internet forum).


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And there are plenty who refer to Muhammad's actions as genocide.

Of course, jihad watch, wiki-Islam etc.... Most of them also probably deliberately use the term as a tactic to try and blur the lines between Islam and nazism - by dishonestly equating the world's worst ever single atrocity with an alleged bog-standard, run of the mill mass execution of a tiny army after a treaty is violated.

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Yes, but to draw the long bow that they personally believe he committed genocide just because you interpret it as such, and therefore they must "reflexively support genocide" is indeed hysterical hyperbole.

The fact that Muslims try to polish this turd does not change the fact that they support genocide, any more than a Nazi offering excuses or denial regarding the holocaust changes the fact that they also support genocide.


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Of course, jihad watch, wiki-Islam etc.... Most of them also probably deliberately use the term as a tactic to try and blur the lines between Islam and nazism - by dishonestly equating the world's worst ever single atrocity with an alleged bog-standard, run of the mill mass execution of a tiny army after a treaty is violated.

The highest result I saw on google was from ex-Muslims.

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 12:34pm:

any more than a Nazi offering excuses or denial regarding the holocaust

There you go again literally equating the banu Qurayza alleged massacre with the industrialised slaughter of 6 million men women and children.

A classic case of the intellectually lazy Reductio ad Hitlerum

You're pretty much saying that your lovely muslim workmate was not only by default a 'reflexive genocide supporter', but also no different to a nazi.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 2:45pm:

freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 12:34pm: any more than a Nazi offering excuses or denial regarding the holocaust There you go again literally equating the banu Qurayza alleged massacre with the industrialised slaughter of 6 million men women and children. A classic case of the intellectually lazy Reductio ad Hitlerum You're pretty much saying that your lovely muslim workmate was not only by default a 'reflexive genocide supporter', but also no different to a nazi.

I did not say they were equal Gandalf. The Nazis were far more efficient.

You equate the alleged banu Qurayza massacre with the holocaust.

You draw analogies with the nazis at every opportunity to justify your muslim mind-borg rhetoric

You engage in the most disingenuous Reductio ad Hitlerum logic.

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You equate the alleged banu Qurayza massacre with the holocaust.

No Gandalf. They were two completely different genocides. Don't get hysterical now.


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You draw analogies with the nazis at every opportunity to justify your muslim mind-borg rhetoric

What "muslim mind-borg rhetoric"?

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 8:36pm:

Quote: You equate the alleged banu Qurayza massacre with the holocaust. No Gandalf. They were two completely different genocides. Don't get hysterical now. [quote]You draw analogies with the nazis at every opportunity to justify your muslim mind-borg rhetoric

What "muslim mind-borg rhetoric"?[/quote]

He's got you there, G. If you say Mindless Collective, that means you agree with it.

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 8:36pm:

What "muslim mind-borg rhetoric"?

Have you ever met a muslim who isn't a reflexive supporter of genocide?

Apparently you haven't - not even your lovely workmates with whom you expressly
avoid the topic with.

In your terminology, thats called reducing the entire muslim population to a 'mindless collective', which of course is dehumanizing, and the classic characteristic of prejudice. Personally I believe it gives you a guilty conscience and is the reason why you continually need to compensate by performing the most absurd mental gymnastics and even having to literally make up what I said to pretend that its actually me who engages in such prejudice.

But thats just me  :)

Me too, G, but remember, FD's been trying to find someone to be superior to since his sinister Abu left the board.

We apologists don't have to try very hard. JS gets banned for being a jellyfish every now and then, but it's all good. FD knows I'm as spineless and cunning as they come.

Your problem is you're superior to FD in every way. If FD can trick you into being a Nazi, he's the king of the castle.

Perhaps you could try asking him some more questions. Get to know him a bit better. You know, find out more about the real FD.

It seems impossible to understand the real FD.

One minute he shares his experience with real muslims - drinking a beer with his muslim workmates that he clearly respects, or going to the trouble to sit down with a muslim woman at his tennis club to try and understand how they feel... the next minute literally smearing the entire muslim population, to a man woman and child, as reflexive genocide supporters without batting an eyelid.

He'll write passionately about how important it is to make a stand against attacks on free speech - all the while he is in permanent witness protection in the face of the constant barrage of attacks against the freedom of muslims.

He'll start a sensible and worthy topic, and he'll set out his position in a reasonable, well thought out way - only to reduce himself to a petty and vindictive "reply by zinger" debating style if anyone dares engage him. Sometimes I sit there in awe seeing the way he so ruthlessly and methodically trashes his own worthy topics into the most crass mudslinging contests.

I really can't work him out. He goes to the trouble of starting a forum with the most noble of intentions - to facilitate free speech, But rather than fostering sensible and constructive debate, he actually seems to revel in dragging it into the gutter. Bigotry and petty squabbling reign, and proper, constructive debate is actively disincentivised. And now actually its no longer a joke in the wake of Christchurch. When we as a society start to understand the role played by online discussion forums in creating and nurturing the Tarrant's of this world and their ideology of hate, its very apparent that this very forum fits the bill so terrifyingly closely.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 3:23pm:

It seems impossible to understand the real FD. One minute he shares his experience with real muslims - drinking a beer with his muslim workmates that he clearly respects, or going to the trouble to sit down with a muslim woman at his tennis club to try and understand how they feel... the next minute literally smearing the entire muslim population, to a man woman and child, as reflexive genocide supporters without batting an eyelid. He'll write passionately about how important it is to make a stand against attacks on free speech - all the while he is in permanent witness protection in the face of the constant barrage of attacks against the freedom of muslims. He'll start a sensible and worthy topic, and he'll set out his position in a reasonable, well thought out way - only to reduce himself to a petty and vindictive "reply by zinger" debating style if anyone dares engage him. Sometimes I sit there in awe seeing the way he so ruthlessly and methodically trashes his own worthy topics into the most crass mudslinging contests. I really can't work him out. He goes to the trouble of starting a forum with the most noble of intentions - to facilitate free speech, But rather than fostering sensible and constructive debate, he actually seems to revel in dragging it into the gutter. Bigotry and petty squabbling reign, and proper, constructive debate is actively disincentivised. And now actually its no longer a joke in the wake of Christchurch. When we as a society start to understand the role played by online discussion forums in creating and nurturing the Tarrant's of this world and their ideology of hate, its very apparent that this very forum fits the bill so terrifyingly closely.

Freeeeedom, innit.

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When we as a society start to understand the role played by online discussion forums in creating and nurturing the Tarrant's of this world and their ideology of hate, its very apparent that this very forum fits the bill so terrifyingly closely.

So now the problem is that muzzies spend too much time on debate sites.

I mean they are the worlds terrorists, they are the major terror threat globally, their heartlands are nothing but piles of rubble, they are the major refugee problem globally, they are slaughtering their own children in the tens of thousands from hunger and refugee trauma because they insist in killing each other and the *moderates* are trying to tell us internet debate sites are the cause?

Well spit three times and call me allah, the crap just keeps piling up.

moses wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 3:02pm:

Quote: When we as a society start to understand the role played by online discussion forums in creating and nurturing the Tarrant's of this world and their ideology of hate, its very apparent that this very forum fits the bill so terrifyingly closely. So now the problem is that muzzies spend too much time on debate sites. I mean they are the worlds terrorists, they are the major terror threat globally, their heartlands are nothing but piles of rubble, they are the major refugee problem globally, they are slaughtering their own children in the tens of thousands from hunger and refugee trauma because they insist in killing each other and the *moderates* are trying to tell us internet debate sites are the cause? Well spit three times and call me allah, the crap just keeps piling up.

How on earth did you interpret that as being about muslim terrorists?

Do you need me to put it in the sort of crass language you're used to using? Try this - I think the hate filled bile expressed by moses (thats you) and others here is indistinguishable from the comments made on 8chan and other hate sites - which was where Tarrant himself was posting. Discussion forums like these are quite literally hang out places for actual terrorists.

How long do you think it will be before the AFP is trawling through the ozpolitic posts of the next mosque shooter?

How do I equate the two brands of terrorism?

Easy gandi they are both acts of terrorism.

Now what I pointed out to you is that muslims are top of the tree when it comes to terrorism.

I know for certain that debate sites are not the cause and motivation for islamic terrorism, your holy book is.

moses wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

I know for certain that debate sites are not the cause and motivation for islamic terrorism

you don't say.

How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try...

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 7:23pm:

moses wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 3:26pm: I know for certain that debate sites are not the cause and motivation for islamic terrorism you don't say. How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try...

Breivik didnt kill muslims. 
Dont always overclaimed, son of mohammed.
We are not haggling over carpets.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 12:23pm:

freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 8:36pm: What "muslim mind-borg rhetoric"? Have you ever met a muslim who isn't a reflexive supporter of genocide? Apparently you haven't - not even your lovely workmates with whom you expressly avoid the topic with. In your terminology, thats called reducing the entire muslim population to a 'mindless collective', which of course is dehumanizing, and the classic characteristic of prejudice. Personally I believe it gives you a guilty conscience and is the reason why you continually need to compensate by performing the most absurd mental gymnastics and even having to literally make up what I said to pretend that its actually me who engages in such prejudice. But thats just me  :)

I am not calling them a mindless collective Gandalf. I will bump the thread for you, seeing as you have forgotten what I actually said.

There is no meaningful difference between saying every single muslim - man woman and child reflexively supports genocide, and calling them a mindless collective FD.

Please don't bump any threads. I don't want to have to search through 15 separate threads to find your quotes.

Frank wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 7:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm: moses wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 3:26pm: I know for certain that debate sites are not the cause and motivation for islamic terrorism you don't say. How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try... Breivik didnt kill muslims.  Dont always overclaimed, son of mohammed. We are not haggling over carpets.

That's right, Gandy. Don't you muddle up the cause here.

Get it right. Breivik killed the tinted races.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

There is no meaningful difference between saying every single muslim - man woman and child reflexively supports genocide, and calling them a mindless collective.

FD knows all that. He also says they're interbred with the inferior Negroid sub-race, they're inbred and retarded, and they squat down to pee and they play with their dicks afterwards.

I don't know what you're arguing with here, G. It's taken him a while, but FD's made his views pretty clear.

gaandalf wrote: Reply #134 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm

Quote:

you don't say. How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try...

gandi sorry for the late response.

I have no idea what these idiots are motivated by to go out and murder people.

I don't think the police have arrested any accomplices for either of them, so they don't belong to a group of killers obviously, (unlike muslims where terrorist organizations abound).

With regards to your quote *Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example?*

How do you see this as a definitive call to people to slaughter muslims because they are inbred and low I.Q.?

If you do actually believe that criticizm is a unequivocal call to kill, do you then believe that the many verses in the qur'an which  criticize the non believer are an explicit call to muslims to slaughter the non believer?

moses wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 1:54pm:

gaandalf wrote: Reply #134 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm Quote: you don't say. How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try... gandi sorry for the late response. I have no idea what these idiots are motivated by to go out and murder people. I don't think the police have arrested any accomplices for either of them, so they don't belong to a group of killers obviously, (unlike muslims where terrorist organizations abound). With regards to your quote *Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example?* How do you see this as a definitive call to people to slaughter muslims because they are inbred and low I.Q.? If you do actually believe that criticizm is a unequivocal call to kill, do you then believe that the many verses in the qur'an which  criticize the non believer are an explicit call to muslims to slaughter the non believer?

Not when the Quran says to leave unbelievers alone, Moses. Not when it specifies that every human life is precious. Not when it instructs Muslims living in non-Muslim countries to follow the laws of the land. Not when it justifies war in self-defence only.

So I'm curious. When have the Musel "critics" ever stopped short of banning, killing and cestereting them?

When have you called out the old boy, Yadda or FD for using hate speech and inciting violence?

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 2:21pm:

moses wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 1:54pm: gaandalf wrote: Reply #134 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm Quote: you don't say. How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try... gandi sorry for the late response. I have no idea what these idiots are motivated by to go out and murder people. I don't think the police have arrested any accomplices for either of them, so they don't belong to a group of killers obviously, (unlike muslims where terrorist organizations abound). With regards to your quote *Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example?* How do you see this as a definitive call to people to slaughter muslims because they are inbred and low I.Q.? If you do actually believe that criticizm is a unequivocal call to kill, do you then believe that the many verses in the qur'an which  criticize the non believer are an explicit call to muslims to slaughter the non believer? Not when the Quran says to leave unbelievers alone, Moses. Not when it specifies that every human life is precious. Not when it instructs Muslims living in non-Muslim countries to follow the laws of the land. Not when it justifies war in self-defence only. So I'm curious. When have the Musel "critics" ever stopped short of banning, killing and cestereting them? When have you called out the old boy, Yadda or FD for using hate speech and inciting violence?

The peaceful verses have been abrogated by the jihadi verse. That's why  Islam had 1400 years of jihad and not 1400 years of leaving others well alone.

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 2:27pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:21pm: moses wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 1:54pm: gaandalf wrote: Reply #134 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm Quote: you don't say. How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try... gandi sorry for the late response. I have no idea what these idiots are motivated by to go out and murder people. I don't think the police have arrested any accomplices for either of them, so they don't belong to a group of killers obviously, (unlike muslims where terrorist organizations abound). With regards to your quote *Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example?* How do you see this as a definitive call to people to slaughter muslims because they are inbred and low I.Q.? If you do actually believe that criticizm is a unequivocal call to kill, do you then believe that the many verses in the qur'an which  criticize the non believer are an explicit call to muslims to slaughter the non believer? Not when the Quran says to leave unbelievers alone, Moses. Not when it specifies that every human life is precious. Not when it instructs Muslims living in non-Muslim countries to follow the laws of the land. Not when it justifies war in self-defence only. So I'm curious. When have the Musel "critics" ever stopped short of banning, killing and cestereting them? When have you called out the old boy, Yadda or FD for using hate speech and inciting violence? The peaceful verses have been abrogated by the jihadi verse. That's why  Islam had 1400 years of jihad and not 1400 years of leaving others well alone.

Christianity beats that by over 600 years, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 2:27pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:21pm: moses wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 1:54pm: gaandalf wrote: Reply #134 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm [quote]you don't say. Not when the Quran says to leave unbelievers alone, Moses. Not when it specifies that every human life is precious. Not when it instructs Muslims living in non-Muslim countries to follow the laws of the land. Not when it justifies war in self-defence only. So I'm curious. When have the Musel "critics" ever stopped short of banning, killing and cestereting them? When have you called out the old boy, Yadda or FD for using hate speech and inciting violence? The peaceful verses have been abrogated by the jihadi verse. That's why  Islam had 1400 years of jihad and not 1400 years of leaving others well alone.

Here's a couple of Musel critics, dear boy. What do you think of their peaceful Christian criticism?


PZ547 wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 4:26pm:

Yadda wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 10:17pm: I reckon that if we uncover 'extremist' moslems here in Australia, the government should just behead them, and put their heads on spikes, and display them in the public square - as a warning to other 'extremists'. I'm sure that moslem countries would thank our government, for getting rid of all those 'extremists', who were hiding among our 'moderate' moslems. What do ya think K ? Sounds good

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:37pm:

Frank wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:21pm: moses wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 1:54pm: gaandalf wrote: Reply #134 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm Quote: you don't say. How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try... gandi sorry for the late response. I have no idea what these idiots are motivated by to go out and murder people. I don't think the police have arrested any accomplices for either of them, so they don't belong to a group of killers obviously, (unlike muslims where terrorist organizations abound). With regards to your quote *Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example?* How do you see this as a definitive call to people to slaughter muslims because they are inbred and low I.Q.? If you do actually believe that criticizm is a unequivocal call to kill, do you then believe that the many verses in the qur'an which  criticize the non believer are an explicit call to muslims to slaughter the non believer? Not when the Quran says to leave unbelievers alone, Moses. Not when it specifies that every human life is precious. Not when it instructs Muslims living in non-Muslim countries to follow the laws of the land. Not when it justifies war in self-defence only. So I'm curious. When have the Musel "critics" ever stopped short of banning, killing and cestereting them? When have you called out the old boy, Yadda or FD for using hate speech and inciting violence? The peaceful verses have been abrogated by the jihadi verse. That's why  Islam had 1400 years of jihad and not 1400 years of leaving others well alone. Christianity beats that by over 600 years, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Once more the apologists mindless evangelise their ignorance.

Slavery came to an end in Europe soon after the arrival of Christianity. Though the Muslims made a sincere effort at reintroducing it.

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:21pm: moses wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 1:54pm: gaandalf wrote: Reply #134 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm [quote]you don't say. Not when the Quran says to leave unbelievers alone, Moses. Not when it specifies that every human life is precious. Not when it instructs Muslims living in non-Muslim countries to follow the laws of the land. Not when it justifies war in self-defence only. So I'm curious. When have the Musel "critics" ever stopped short of banning, killing and cestereting them? When have you called out the old boy, Yadda or FD for using hate speech and inciting violence? The peaceful verses have been abrogated by the jihadi verse. That's why  Islam had 1400 years of jihad and not 1400 years of leaving others well alone. Here's a couple of Musel critics, dear boy. What do you think of their peaceful Christian criticism? PZ547 wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 4:26pm: Yadda wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 10:17pm: I reckon that if we uncover 'extremist' moslems here in Australia, the government should just behead them, and put their heads on spikes, and display them in the public square - as a warning to other 'extremists'. I'm sure that moslem countries would thank our government, for getting rid of all those 'extremists', who were hiding among our 'moderate' moslems. What do ya think K ? Sounds good

What do you think, FD? Sinister hate speech or a bit of harmless fun?

Not racist, of course. Muslims are not a race.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::)

Nigerian.

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 9:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:45pm: NSW man charged over alleged anti-Muslim attack on picnicking family - just exercising his "freedom of speech", I take it? Interesting comment at the end of the report though...  ::) Nigerian.

Doing burnouts?

Shurely shome mishtake.

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:37pm: Frank wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:21pm: moses wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 1:54pm: gaandalf wrote: Reply #134 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm Quote: you don't say. How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try... gandi sorry for the late response. I have no idea what these idiots are motivated by to go out and murder people. I don't think the police have arrested any accomplices for either of them, so they don't belong to a group of killers obviously, (unlike muslims where terrorist organizations abound). With regards to your quote *Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example?* How do you see this as a definitive call to people to slaughter muslims because they are inbred and low I.Q.? If you do actually believe that criticizm is a unequivocal call to kill, do you then believe that the many verses in the qur'an which  criticize the non believer are an explicit call to muslims to slaughter the non believer? Not when the Quran says to leave unbelievers alone, Moses. Not when it specifies that every human life is precious. Not when it instructs Muslims living in non-Muslim countries to follow the laws of the land. Not when it justifies war in self-defence only. So I'm curious. When have the Musel "critics" ever stopped short of banning, killing and cestereting them? When have you called out the old boy, Yadda or FD for using hate speech and inciting violence? The peaceful verses have been abrogated by the jihadi verse. That's why  Islam had 1400 years of jihad and not 1400 years of leaving others well alone. Christianity beats that by over 600 years, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Once more the apologists mindless evangelise their ignorance. Slavery came to an end in Europe soon after the arrival of Christianity. Though the Muslims made a sincere effort at reintroducing it.

Actually, Slavery wasn't abolished in most of Europe until the 19th century, FD.   Appears your ignorance is showing once again.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 11:16pm:

freediver wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 6:47pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 5:37pm: Frank wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:21pm: moses wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 1:54pm: gaandalf wrote: Reply #134 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm Quote: you don't say. How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try... gandi sorry for the late response. I have no idea what these idiots are motivated by to go out and murder people. I don't think the police have arrested any accomplices for either of them, so they don't belong to a group of killers obviously, (unlike muslims where terrorist organizations abound). With regards to your quote *Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example?* How do you see this as a definitive call to people to slaughter muslims because they are inbred and low I.Q.? If you do actually believe that criticizm is a unequivocal call to kill, do you then believe that the many verses in the qur'an which  criticize the non believer are an explicit call to muslims to slaughter the non believer? Not when the Quran says to leave unbelievers alone, Moses. Not when it specifies that every human life is precious. Not when it instructs Muslims living in non-Muslim countries to follow the laws of the land. Not when it justifies war in self-defence only. So I'm curious. When have the Musel "critics" ever stopped short of banning, killing and cestereting them? When have you called out the old boy, Yadda or FD for using hate speech and inciting violence? The peaceful verses have been abrogated by the jihadi verse. That's why  Islam had 1400 years of jihad and not 1400 years of leaving others well alone. Christianity beats that by over 600 years, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Once more the apologists mindless evangelise their ignorance. Slavery came to an end in Europe soon after the arrival of Christianity. Though the Muslims made a sincere effort at reintroducing it. Actually, Slavery wasn't abolished in most of Europe until the 19th century, FD.   Appears your ignorance is showing once again.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Are you disagreeing with me, or being a useless pedant?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe

Slavery had mostly died out in western Europe about the year 1000, replaced by serfdom.[dubious – discuss] It lingered longer in England and in peripheral areas linked to the Muslim world, where slavery continued to flourish. Slavery became more widespread in Ireland throughout the 11th century, as Dublin became the biggest slave market in Western Europe.[1] Church rules suppressed slavery of Christians. Most historians argue the transition was quite abrupt around 1000, but some see a gradual transition from about 300 to 1000.[2]

In the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire, slaves became quite rare by the first half of the 7th century[3] A shift in the view of slavery is noticed, which by the 10th century transformed gradually a slave-object into a slave-subject.[4] From 11th century, semi-feudal relations largely replaced slavery, seen as "an evil contrary to natury, created by man's selfishness", although slavery was permitted by the law.[5]

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