It is always refreshing to see journalists draw attention to the incredible decline in world poverty. An article that did just that appeared yesterday in the Christian Science Monitor. The piece shines a spotlight on three heartening facts in particular.

First, poverty is decreasing. Not only have poverty rates fallen, but the total number of people in poverty has decreased. This is incredible when one considers population growth—there are more people alive today who aren’t in poverty than ever before. The Brookings Institution projects poverty will be practically eliminated by 2030.

Second, average incomes are rising. World per capita GDP, adjusted for inflation and differences in the cost of living, has never been higher. And average income growth is not limited to developing countries: the average American has more disposable income left after basic expenses.

Finally, humanity is healthier. Globally, average life expectancy is at an all-time high, largely due to plummeting infant mortality rates. More people have enough to eat and enjoy access to clean drinking water and improved sanitation facilities. The developed world has also seen health gains, with cancer death rates falling for both men and women in the OECD countries.

The article attributes improvements in well-being to three main factors: the fall of communism, the rise of trade and globalization, and the courage of those who stood up against tyranny.




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https://humanprogress.org/article.php?p=168

Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today.

Brendon wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:42am:

Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today.

indeed.

very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies.

arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy).

hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack

not if you listen to the lefties on here aqua...

and Australian condition are the worst of the worst....

they are massively underpaid  living on the edge if you listen to crook...

if you are not working you are begging in the streets...

the homeless are running out of park benches to sleep on...tsk tsk...

only the rich can afford electricity... :'( :'( :'(

cods wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 7:00am:

not if you listen to the lefties on here aqua... and Australian condition are the worst of the worst.... they are massively underpaid  living on the edge if you listen to crook... if you are not working you are begging in the streets... the homeless are running out of park benches to sleep on...tsk tsk... only the rich can afford electricity... :'( :'( :'(

crook is super negative.
when you are supernegative, you cant recieve.

they did a study on taxi drivers in the USA.
they put facial pattern recognition software in the cab and examined how much of the time the cabbie was smiling and they recorded what sort of tips he recieved.

the cabbies who smiled the most recieved more in TIPS on some occasions then the sour cabbies recieved in TOTAL FARES.
its insane.

be negative if you want.
you wont hurt anyone but yourself
you cant recieve until you are positive.
its a law of the universe

The amount of negative information fed to the public daily, can not be healthy for society. You have to ween yourself off it. No one is going to do it for you. That requires strategic thinking when it comes to the media.

Positivity has the ability to white wash the negativity.

It's not as rosy as you portray Scoot.... for all the improvements.

Remember Bob Hawke saying "By 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty"?

30 years later and successive govts from both sides there still are........

The GNI for China has risen to $8,700 per annum that's approx $24 a day gross.

There are still over 34 million people in China surviving on less than $2 a day.

And there are other factors involved that take the gloss off the story because the data doesn't tell the whole story.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/poverty-data-never-tells-the-whole-story/

Agreed. Globalism and the fight against injustice that ended communism is crucial. Reagan, Bush Senior and Clinton saw the good times in.

But, as far as communism is from the good times now, the iron curtain states were hugely effective in eradicating poverty. Crap pay, but housing, health care and food were all there.

Compare Cuba with the Philippines. You may not get a car or scooter in Cuba, but housing and health care are available. In the Philippines, most families are struggling to cover the health costs of their ageing parents. Get sick, and you're screwed.

I hate Soviet socialism. Conformist, patriotic, authoritarian. But no one can deny it did what it said. With the exception of party elites, it levelled people. Older Chinese have told me they look back fondly on the days of the Great Leap Forward. They felt a sense of shared purpose that doesn't exist in China today.

People want this. Capitalism can't provide it.

But yes, charity is no solution. It's good in times of crisis, but beyond that, forget it. Charity can get people back on their feet after a tsunami, for example, but it doesn't build the infrastructure they need.

Foreign aid's different. Here, aid is put into projects that furnish self interest - a road to a port that exports goods overseas in East Timor, for example. This is a win-win. The East Timorese get a road to take their goods to market, Australian companies get cheap commodities.

Woodside Petroleum, of course, gets cheap oil and gas. A win-win for, well, Alexander Downer and Woodside, but that's another story.

Charity most certainly doesn't stop poverty. I doubt the world will be poverty free by 2030, as your article says. You only need to see the slums of Manila or Mumbai to believe that.

This will change in 11 years? I don't see how.

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Remember Bob Hawke saying "By 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty"? 30 years later and successive govts from both sides there still are........

Still are what?

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:56am:

Brendon wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:42am: Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today. indeed. very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies. arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy). hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack

Good point, but the rice paddies are down in South East Asia. Most of China lives off wheat, a totally different method of farming.

But I agree about cooperation. East Asians are highly communal people. Getting along with your family neighbours is a fundamental value in communities that live so close together.

Northern China's quite different. There, people are descended more from nomads. They don't bow down to social norms and rules so easily.

In China today, people are moving into apartment complexes in the cities. Village life is largely gone. People are changing because of this.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:15am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:56am: Brendon wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:42am: Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today. indeed. very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies. arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy). hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack Good point, but the rice paddies are down in South East Asia. Most of China lives off wheat, a totally different method of farming. But I agree about cooperation. East Asians are highly communal people. Getting along with your family neighbours is a fundamental value in communities that live so close together. Northern China's quite different. There, people are descended more from nomads. They don't bow down to social norms and rules so easily. In China today, people are moving into apartment complexes in the cities. Village life is largely gone. People are changing because of this.

thats a good point.


i note in my farming community a great deal of co operation.
when i am away, neighbours will fix my fence, put stock back and notify me later.
they even did a back burn on my place when i was away as a fire came over the hill
its very co operative.  good caring focused and aware folk

i go to a mall to eat my carrot or cucumber whilst i walk around and everyone is on a phone in self centred purgatory.
they have a dullness in the eyes that i usually only see in an abused horse that has been sent to me.
such "low vibration energy"

i think this IS the reason people need the sugar hit or the spicey food hit to bust them out of the durr state.
thats really unhealthy

the chinese may become unhealthy as they urbanise and start to chow down on fast food.
then their brains wont work properly , the eyes will become dull and they will live in chode purgatory like the west  ;D ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:27am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 8:15am: aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:56am: Brendon wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:42am: Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today. indeed. very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies. arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy). hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack Good point, but the rice paddies are down in South East Asia. Most of China lives off wheat, a totally different method of farming. But I agree about cooperation. East Asians are highly communal people. Getting along with your family neighbours is a fundamental value in communities that live so close together. Northern China's quite different. There, people are descended more from nomads. They don't bow down to social norms and rules so easily. In China today, people are moving into apartment complexes in the cities. Village life is largely gone. People are changing because of this. thats a good point. i note in my farming community a great deal of co operation. when i am away, neighbours will fix my fence, put stock back and notify me later. they even did a back burn on my place when i was away as a fire came over the hill its very co operative.  good caring focused and aware folk i go to a mall to eat my carrot or cucumber whilst i walk around and everyone is on a phone in self centred purgatory. they have a dullness in the eyes that i usually only see in an abused horse that has been sent to me. such "low vibration energy" i think this IS the reason people need the sugar hit or the spicey food hit to bust them out of the durr state. thats really unhealthy the chinese may become unhealthy as they urbanise and start to chow down on fast food. then their brains wont work properly , the eyes will become dull and they will live in chode purgatory like the west  ;D ;D ;D

Indeed. And this is the society globalisation preaches. A consumer society centred around the shopping mall. Cars, freeways, apartment blocks and office jobs - a government job even better. This is the middle class dream in China and India.

Communism is about promoting the rural values you espouse, Aquascoot. Capitalism is about the durp state.

You're a communist, dear.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:47am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 8:27am: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 8:15am: aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:56am: Brendon wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:42am: Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today. indeed. very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies. arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy). hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack Good point, but the rice paddies are down in South East Asia. Most of China lives off wheat, a totally different method of farming. But I agree about cooperation. East Asians are highly communal people. Getting along with your family neighbours is a fundamental value in communities that live so close together. Northern China's quite different. There, people are descended more from nomads. They don't bow down to social norms and rules so easily. In China today, people are moving into apartment complexes in the cities. Village life is largely gone. People are changing because of this. thats a good point. i note in my farming community a great deal of co operation. when i am away, neighbours will fix my fence, put stock back and notify me later. they even did a back burn on my place when i was away as a fire came over the hill its very co operative.  good caring focused and aware folk i go to a mall to eat my carrot or cucumber whilst i walk around and everyone is on a phone in self centred purgatory. they have a dullness in the eyes that i usually only see in an abused horse that has been sent to me. such "low vibration energy" i think this IS the reason people need the sugar hit or the spicey food hit to bust them out of the durr state. thats really unhealthy the chinese may become unhealthy as they urbanise and start to chow down on fast food. then their brains wont work properly , the eyes will become dull and they will live in chode purgatory like the west  ;D ;D ;D Indeed. And this is the society globalisation preaches. A consumer society centred around the shopping mall. Cars, freeways, apartment blocks and office jobs - a government job even better. This is the middle class dream in China and India. Communism is about promoting the rural values you espouse, Aquascoot. Capitalism is about the durp state. You're a communist, dear.

nah, communism is about low vibration "taker " mentality.

read up on the russian revolution and the kulaks (the slightly more affluent farmers) who were sent to the gulags for owning a couple extra cows.
its about envy and tearing down the successful (the shorten appraoch to life).

in a little village in china though, you still could achieve status by being in contribution.
maybe you knew skills in looking after water buffalo or were a really skillful steel maker for a plough or you were a great midwife.
so you contribute and you move up.

but in a big city, its not intuitive that this is the way to move up.
people try to scam and take to move up.
usually it catches up with them and its still better to be in contribution.

but our school system and religions and politicians need to be unwavering in teaching this.
they need to reward those who give and punish the taker.

unfortunatley for us, they have pandered to the takers and built a society of entitled little pukes.
now they are all screwed  ;) ;)

Not at all. Communism was held by Marx to be the values you espouse. Socialism was just a means to get there.

The Soviets never reached the stage of communism - it was always just around the corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx0IeQQ7WjI

:D

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:14am:

Quote: Remember Bob Hawke saying "By 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty"? 30 years later and successive govts from both sides there still are........ Still are what?

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

What does the quote refer to?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:15am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:56am: Brendon wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:42am: Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today. indeed. very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies. arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy). hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack Good point, but the rice paddies are down in South East Asia. Most of China lives off wheat, a totally different method of farming. But I agree about cooperation. East Asians are highly communal people. Getting along with your family neighbours is a fundamental value in communities that live so close together. Northern China's quite different. There, people are descended more from nomads. They don't bow down to social norms and rules so easily. In China today, people are moving into apartment complexes in the cities. Village life is largely gone. People are changing because of this.

Yes matchbox size apartments where you cant swing a cat.

Saw an ABC story the other day from Hongkong .....

and how much it costs to even get into one of those.

Our millennials have nothing to whinge about with housing affordability.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 9:11am:

Not at all. Communism was held by Marx to be the values you espouse. Socialism was just a means to get there. The Soviets never reached the stage of communism - it was always just around the corner.

socialism works really well at the family level.
of course you share the meals equally with the kids
of course you make sure all the kids have a sport they play and if one gets a birthday party, they all do.

it just doesnt scale.

we are hardwired to only care about 100 to 150 people

above that, its all virtue signalling.

i hear about a massacre in rwanda and , to be honest, i am far more concerned for the life of my dog or cat.
i will spend money on their vet bills i wouldnt spend on a rwandan ,
does that make me a freak.
nope
just honest.

when i see politicians wringing their hands over syria or gaza, i know its a virtue signal.
thats not how humans dna is wired.

they are trying to increase their status by virtue signalling that they are morally superior but its fake.

same as the poor guy who tries to be all humble and lacking in ambition as if hes better then the greedy business man.
he's not.

dont ever let people claim moral superiority because they "pretend' they dont want piles of cash,
all those mediocre people want it just as bad
just look at the queues of people trying to win powerball.
they all want it .

own that sh***T ;) ;)

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:01am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 8:15am: aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:56am: Brendon wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:42am: Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today. indeed. very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies. arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy). hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack Good point, but the rice paddies are down in South East Asia. Most of China lives off wheat, a totally different method of farming. But I agree about cooperation. East Asians are highly communal people. Getting along with your family neighbours is a fundamental value in communities that live so close together. Northern China's quite different. There, people are descended more from nomads. They don't bow down to social norms and rules so easily. In China today, people are moving into apartment complexes in the cities. Village life is largely gone. People are changing because of this. Yes matchbox size apartments where you cant swing a cat. Saw an ABC story the other day from Hongkong ..... and how much it costs to even get into one of those. Our millennials have nothing to whinge about with housing affordability.

Indeed.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:11am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 9:11am: Not at all. Communism was held by Marx to be the values you espouse. Socialism was just a means to get there. The Soviets never reached the stage of communism - it was always just around the corner. socialism works really well at the family level. of course you share the meals equally with the kids of course you make sure all the kids have a sport they play and if one gets a birthday party, they all do. it just doesnt scale. we are hardwired to only care about 100 to 150 people above that, its all virtue signalling. i hear about a massacre in rwanda and , to be honest, i am far more concerned for the life of my dog or cat. i will spend money on their vet bills i wouldnt spend on a rwandan , does that make me a freak. nope just honest. when i see politicians wringing their hands over syria or gaza, i know its a virtue signal. thats not how humans dna is wired. they are trying to increase their status by virtue signalling that they are morally superior but its fake. same as the poor guy who tries to be all humble and lacking in ambition as if hes better then the greedy business man. he's not. dont ever let people claim moral superiority because they "pretend' they dont want piles of cash, all those mediocre people want it just as bad just look at the queues of people trying to win powerball. they all want it . own that sh***T ;) ;)

I believe we're hard wired to work in groups of 7. Apparently teams lose focus after this. They gave telephone numbers 7 digits for similar reasons. People forget more than that.

This is why the state is required to assist. States cover entire populations. Where you or I can work in a team of 7 people, the state's there to cover the rest, but do you know?

Most people don't want piles of money. They want families, communities, good health and housing, good schools for their kids.

The lust for piles of money is just capitalist ideology - your durp state. No one needs a penthouse full of fake Louis XVI furniture. No one needs a helipad, a gold toilet or a fake Renoir.

Warren Buffett has one car and a house in the suburbs. He admits he needs no more than that.

Eradicating poverty worldwide requires this acknowledgement. Live simply so that others may simply live. These are, essentially, socialist values. Thrift, modesty, selflessness. While we focus on our families and our small collection of friends and colleagues, the state does the rest - in cooperation with the free market.

I can't see why anyone would see this as a bad thing.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:56am:

Brendon wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:42am: Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today. indeed. very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies. arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy). hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack

that's why they are coming here to steal our real estate and land from us. Yes how very industrious of them :(

And what industries are they bringing to Australia ? Ahhh lets see. Two dollar shops, coffee shops, fish and chip shops and milk bars :D LOL Yes very industrious when they come to Australia :D LOL

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:11am: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 9:11am: Not at all. Communism was held by Marx to be the values you espouse. Socialism was just a means to get there. The Soviets never reached the stage of communism - it was always just around the corner. socialism works really well at the family level. of course you share the meals equally with the kids of course you make sure all the kids have a sport they play and if one gets a birthday party, they all do. it just doesnt scale. we are hardwired to only care about 100 to 150 people above that, its all virtue signalling. i hear about a massacre in rwanda and , to be honest, i am far more concerned for the life of my dog or cat. i will spend money on their vet bills i wouldnt spend on a rwandan , does that make me a freak. nope just honest. when i see politicians wringing their hands over syria or gaza, i know its a virtue signal. thats not how humans dna is wired. they are trying to increase their status by virtue signalling that they are morally superior but its fake. same as the poor guy who tries to be all humble and lacking in ambition as if hes better then the greedy business man. he's not. dont ever let people claim moral superiority because they "pretend' they dont want piles of cash, all those mediocre people want it just as bad just look at the queues of people trying to win powerball. they all want it . own that sh***T ;) ;) I believe we're hard wired to work in groups of 7. Apparently teams lose focus after this. They gave telephone numbers 7 digits for similar reasons. People forget more than that. This is why the state is required to assist. States cover entire populations. Where you or I can work in a team of 7 people, the state's there to cover the rest, but do you know? Most people don't want piles of money. They want families, communities, good health and housing, good schools for their kids. The lust for piles of money is just capitalist ideology - your durp state. No one needs a penthouse full of fake Louis XVI furniture. No one needs a helipad, a gold toilet or a fake Renoir. Warren Buffett has one car and a house in the suburbs. He admits he needs no more than that. Eradicating poverty worldwide requires this acknowledgement. Live simply so that others may simply live. These are, essentially, socialist values. Thrift, modesty, selflessness. While we focus on our families and our small collection of friends and colleagues, the state does the rest - in cooperation with the free market. I can't see why anyone would see this as a bad thing.

young men in particular should be encouraged to hustle and try to succeed (the silicon valley method , the venture capital method)

to retire to byron bay in your 20's and say "i want to live simply, so others may simply live" is  "fake spirituality " that is actually just "apathy and laziness".

if you live in tibet, go be spiritual, there isnt a lot going on.

but in australia, there is so much opportunity.
you can hustle and succeed and THEN you can go be a philanthropist and help those poor kiddies once you have reached the paradigm of success.

because that paradigm is only reached by taking massive action and once you are in action taking momentum, its as addictive as being an apathetic socialist hippie.

take action, never stop , once you lose momentum in life, youre screwed
the paradigm shifts never stop.
:D

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 11:06am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:31am: aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:11am: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 9:11am: Not at all. Communism was held by Marx to be the values you espouse. Socialism was just a means to get there. The Soviets never reached the stage of communism - it was always just around the corner. socialism works really well at the family level. of course you share the meals equally with the kids of course you make sure all the kids have a sport they play and if one gets a birthday party, they all do. it just doesnt scale. we are hardwired to only care about 100 to 150 people above that, its all virtue signalling. i hear about a massacre in rwanda and , to be honest, i am far more concerned for the life of my dog or cat. i will spend money on their vet bills i wouldnt spend on a rwandan , does that make me a freak. nope just honest. when i see politicians wringing their hands over syria or gaza, i know its a virtue signal. thats not how humans dna is wired. they are trying to increase their status by virtue signalling that they are morally superior but its fake. same as the poor guy who tries to be all humble and lacking in ambition as if hes better then the greedy business man. he's not. dont ever let people claim moral superiority because they "pretend' they dont want piles of cash, all those mediocre people want it just as bad just look at the queues of people trying to win powerball. they all want it . own that sh***T ;) ;) I believe we're hard wired to work in groups of 7. Apparently teams lose focus after this. They gave telephone numbers 7 digits for similar reasons. People forget more than that. This is why the state is required to assist. States cover entire populations. Where you or I can work in a team of 7 people, the state's there to cover the rest, but do you know? Most people don't want piles of money. They want families, communities, good health and housing, good schools for their kids. The lust for piles of money is just capitalist ideology - your durp state. No one needs a penthouse full of fake Louis XVI furniture. No one needs a helipad, a gold toilet or a fake Renoir. Warren Buffett has one car and a house in the suburbs. He admits he needs no more than that. Eradicating poverty worldwide requires this acknowledgement. Live simply so that others may simply live. These are, essentially, socialist values. Thrift, modesty, selflessness. While we focus on our families and our small collection of friends and colleagues, the state does the rest - in cooperation with the free market. I can't see why anyone would see this as a bad thing. young men in particular should be encouraged to hustle and try to succeed (the silicon valley method , the venture capital method) to retire to byron bay in your 20's and say "i want to live simply, so others may simply live" is  "fake spirituality " that is actually just "apathy and laziness". if you live in tibet, go be spiritual, there isnt a lot going on. but in australia, there is so much opportunity. you can hustle and succeed and THEN you can go be a philanthropist and help those poor kiddies once you have reached the paradigm of success. because that paradigm is only reached by taking massive action and once you are in action taking momentum, its as addictive as being an apathetic socialist hippie. take action, never stop , once you lose momentum in life, youre screwed the paradigm shifts never stop. :D

That's just activity for activity's sake.

We ex-puritans have a work ethic. It made sense when people needed to make things with their hands. It makes little sense today.

The modern equivalent of the Protestant work ethic is getting rich for Jesus. It's a ridiculous idea and has nothing to do with the Calvinism that proceeded it.

The notion of a gold toilet is fundamentally obscene. Or a Ferrari when the speed limit's 120. Or owning the world's most expensive luxury yacht when you get seasick.

These are things who's only value is to express wealth. This is not the spirit of the Protestant work ethic - far from it. In Anglo culture in particular, displays of obscene wealth are seen as attention-seeking, vain and shallow. These are grave vices in our culture.

I'm not sure why you'd say people should strive to become rich so they can give to charity, dear. You started this thread to show how useless charity is in reducing poverty.

And yes, we all tend to agree.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:05am:

Older Chinese have told me they look back fondly on the days of the Great Leap Forward. They felt a sense of shared purpose that doesn't exist in China today.

I'd be interested in knowing where those elderly Chinese people lived during the Great Leap Forward. There are numerous books on how disastrous the period was thanks to Mao's downright stupid policies. The famine caused by his policies are estimated to have killed between 20 to 45 million people.

minarchist wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 2:00pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 8:05am: Older Chinese have told me they look back fondly on the days of the Great Leap Forward. They felt a sense of shared purpose that doesn't exist in China today. I'd be interested in knowing where those elderly Chinese people lived during the Great Leap Forward. There are numerous books on how disastrous the period was thanks to Mao's downright stupid policies. The famine caused by his policies are estimated to have killed between 20 to 45 million people.

True. I believe they lived in the city.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 11:06am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:31am: aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:11am: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 9:11am: Not at all. Communism was held by Marx to be the values you espouse. Socialism was just a means to get there. The Soviets never reached the stage of communism - it was always just around the corner. socialism works really well at the family level. of course you share the meals equally with the kids of course you make sure all the kids have a sport they play and if one gets a birthday party, they all do. it just doesnt scale. we are hardwired to only care about 100 to 150 people above that, its all virtue signalling. i hear about a massacre in rwanda and , to be honest, i am far more concerned for the life of my dog or cat. i will spend money on their vet bills i wouldnt spend on a rwandan , does that make me a freak. nope just honest. when i see politicians wringing their hands over syria or gaza, i know its a virtue signal. thats not how humans dna is wired. they are trying to increase their status by virtue signalling that they are morally superior but its fake. same as the poor guy who tries to be all humble and lacking in ambition as if hes better then the greedy business man. he's not. dont ever let people claim moral superiority because they "pretend' they dont want piles of cash, all those mediocre people want it just as bad just look at the queues of people trying to win powerball. they all want it . own that sh***T ;) ;) I believe we're hard wired to work in groups of 7. Apparently teams lose focus after this. They gave telephone numbers 7 digits for similar reasons. People forget more than that. This is why the state is required to assist. States cover entire populations. Where you or I can work in a team of 7 people, the state's there to cover the rest, but do you know? Most people don't want piles of money. They want families, communities, good health and housing, good schools for their kids. The lust for piles of money is just capitalist ideology - your durp state. No one needs a penthouse full of fake Louis XVI furniture. No one needs a helipad, a gold toilet or a fake Renoir. Warren Buffett has one car and a house in the suburbs. He admits he needs no more than that. Eradicating poverty worldwide requires this acknowledgement. Live simply so that others may simply live. These are, essentially, socialist values. Thrift, modesty, selflessness. While we focus on our families and our small collection of friends and colleagues, the state does the rest - in cooperation with the free market. I can't see why anyone would see this as a bad thing. young men in particular should be encouraged to hustle and try to succeed (the silicon valley method , the venture capital method) to retire to byron bay in your 20's and say "i want to live simply, so others may simply live" is  "fake spirituality " that is actually just "apathy and laziness". if you live in tibet, go be spiritual, there isnt a lot going on. but in australia, there is so much opportunity. you can hustle and succeed and THEN you can go be a philanthropist and help those poor kiddies once you have reached the paradigm of success. because that paradigm is only reached by taking massive action and once you are in action taking momentum, its as addictive as being an apathetic socialist hippie. take action, never stop , once you lose momentum in life, youre screwed the paradigm shifts never stop. :D

The problem with aussies is that they have been brainwashed into believing that the roads to riches are through wheeling and dealing in property only. As such they have become risk averse and always expecting to at least break even on a deal. This means that the risk averse appetite of Silicon Valley where 9 out of 10 ventures fail is out of the question for them. The result is that we have no technology industries of any measurable size. Just small pockets of token efforts and lots of lip-service payed by politicians how we are so inventive because we built the Hills hoist 50 years ago and haven't really done much since  :(

its a good point Nail.

as an example , i see Trump bouncing back from 2 bankruptcies as a success story.
try, fail, try again, fail, try again.

but in about 10,000 posts, gweggie, bojack, karnal , sad skippy and their colleagues want to point out that he is unfit to be president because he has had a couple of failures.

go check it out and see the vitriol they dump on the guy and the sh**t talking because he stumbled a few times.

Oz has got to get that out of that sort of "limiting belief".

you have to be a fool before you can be a master.

thats better then being some mediocre little virtue signalling "nice guy" who never has the balls to try anything and expects kudos because he "lives simply" ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 3:19pm:

its a good point Nail. as an example , i see Trump bouncing back from 2 bankruptcies as a success story. try, fail, try again, fail, try again. but in about 10,000 posts, gweggie, bojack, karnal , sad skippy and their colleagues want to point out that he is unfit to be president because he has had a couple of failures. )

Thats because you're not using the definition of the bankruptcy in the sense Trump did

See for instance, Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy, but his businesses have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It essentially means his businesses cant' pay off its debts, because essentially it sucked, so the reorganisation occurs to save assets.



My point about this, is that Trump flouts his supposed business acumen. The fact that his hotel and casino businesses filed for bankruptcy six times between 91 and 2009 begs the question is he actually that good at business?

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 3:19pm:

its a good point Nail. as an example , i see Trump bouncing back from 2 bankruptcies as a success story. try, fail, try again, fail, try again. but in about 10,000 posts, gweggie, bojack, karnal , sad skippy and their colleagues want to point out that he is unfit to be president because he has had a couple of failures. go check it out and see the vitriol they dump on the guy and the sh**t talking because he stumbled a few times. Oz has got to get that out of that sort of "limiting belief". you have to be a fool before you can be a master. thats better then being some mediocre little virtue signalling "nice guy" who never has the balls to try anything and expects kudos because he "lives simply" ::) ::)

Most of our pollies have never had a real job in their lives nor have they run a business. Lawyers don't count either because they are protected from real world competition. Malcolm Turdface is not a good example either. He is just a one trick pony that happened to be in right place at the right time in the dot com boom. He's never really done much since except build up a property portfolio.

As for trump at least he is taking the fight to the chinese and trying to claw back some of the industries that have been lost to unfair trade practices that past presidents have turned a blind eye too. They are lucky that trump is running the show otherwise they would lose the rest of their industries to unfair trade practices by the chinese :(

And all these dimwits here can see is free trade sellouts where they trade one set if business at the expect of others as though there is some magical kind of free lunch in it. And we won't mention the massive support given over the years to foreign corporations such as General Motors and Ford etc whilst totally ignoring the local talent  :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 2:55pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 11:06am: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:31am: aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:11am: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 9:11am: Not at all. Communism was held by Marx to be the values you espouse. Socialism was just a means to get there. The Soviets never reached the stage of communism - it was always just around the corner. socialism works really well at the family level. of course you share the meals equally with the kids of course you make sure all the kids have a sport they play and if one gets a birthday party, they all do. it just doesnt scale. we are hardwired to only care about 100 to 150 people above that, its all virtue signalling. i hear about a massacre in rwanda and , to be honest, i am far more concerned for the life of my dog or cat. i will spend money on their vet bills i wouldnt spend on a rwandan , does that make me a freak. nope just honest. when i see politicians wringing their hands over syria or gaza, i know its a virtue signal. thats not how humans dna is wired. they are trying to increase their status by virtue signalling that they are morally superior but its fake. same as the poor guy who tries to be all humble and lacking in ambition as if hes better then the greedy business man. he's not. dont ever let people claim moral superiority because they "pretend' they dont want piles of cash, all those mediocre people want it just as bad just look at the queues of people trying to win powerball. they all want it . own that sh***T ;) ;) I believe we're hard wired to work in groups of 7. Apparently teams lose focus after this. They gave telephone numbers 7 digits for similar reasons. People forget more than that. This is why the state is required to assist. States cover entire populations. Where you or I can work in a team of 7 people, the state's there to cover the rest, but do you know? Most people don't want piles of money. They want families, communities, good health and housing, good schools for their kids. The lust for piles of money is just capitalist ideology - your durp state. No one needs a penthouse full of fake Louis XVI furniture. No one needs a helipad, a gold toilet or a fake Renoir. Warren Buffett has one car and a house in the suburbs. He admits he needs no more than that. Eradicating poverty worldwide requires this acknowledgement. Live simply so that others may simply live. These are, essentially, socialist values. Thrift, modesty, selflessness. While we focus on our families and our small collection of friends and colleagues, the state does the rest - in cooperation with the free market. I can't see why anyone would see this as a bad thing. young men in particular should be encouraged to hustle and try to succeed (the silicon valley method , the venture capital method) to retire to byron bay in your 20's and say "i want to live simply, so others may simply live" is  "fake spirituality " that is actually just "apathy and laziness". if you live in tibet, go be spiritual, there isnt a lot going on. but in australia, there is so much opportunity. you can hustle and succeed and THEN you can go be a philanthropist and help those poor kiddies once you have reached the paradigm of success. because that paradigm is only reached by taking massive action and once you are in action taking momentum, its as addictive as being an apathetic socialist hippie. take action, never stop , once you lose momentum in life, youre screwed the paradigm shifts never stop. :D The problem with aussies is that they have been brainwashed into believing that the roads to riches are through wheeling and dealing in property only. As such they have become risk averse and always expecting to at least break even on a deal. This means that the risk averse appetite of Silicon Valley where 9 out of 10 ventures fail is out of the question for them. The result is that we have no technology industries of any measurable size. Just small pockets of token efforts and lots of lip-service payed by politicians how we are so inventive because we built the Hills hoist 50 years ago and haven't really done much since  :(

No no, we also invented the wine cask and the black box.

Oh, and the Boongs invented the stick.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:48am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:56am: Brendon wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:42am: Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today. indeed. very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies. arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy). hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack that's why they are coming here to steal our real estate and land from us. Yes how very industrious of them :( And what industries are they bringing to Australia ? Ahhh lets see. Two dollar shops, coffee shops, fish and chip shops and milk bars :D LOL Yes very industrious when they come to Australia :D LOL

Don't forget massage therapy shops and beauty and nails......

All done with cheap gear and poor hygiene.....

Did you see the women on 9 News tonight who had developed serious eye infections from poorly applied false eyelashes?

My daughter works in the industry and says this sort of thing is prevalent in Asian run establishments because they use cheap and dangerous imported materials and fixatives and have poor hygiene standards.....

Oh and usually unqualified staff because the industry goes mainly unregulated.

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:48am: aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:56am: Brendon wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:42am: Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today. indeed. very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies. arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy). hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack that's why they are coming here to steal our real estate and land from us. Yes how very industrious of them :( And what industries are they bringing to Australia ? Ahhh lets see. Two dollar shops, coffee shops, fish and chip shops and milk bars :D LOL Yes very industrious when they come to Australia :D LOL Don't forget massage therapy shops and beauty and nails...... All done with cheap gear and poor hygiene..... Did you see the women on 9 News tonight who had developed serious eye infections from poorly applied false eyelashes? My daughter works in the industry and says this sort of thing is prevalent in Asian run establishments because they use cheap and dangerous imported materials and fixatives and have poor hygiene standards..... Oh and usually unqualified staff because the industry goes mainly unregulated.

Chow beauty therapists on ACA again, eh?

Tenacious little bastards, aren't they?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:10pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:48am: aquascoot wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:56am: Brendon wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:42am: Thank God for communist China. It is the driving force of the world's economy today. indeed. very industrious people who have patience and collaboration built into their DNA from generations of tending to their rice paddies. arabs in the middle east with goats or africans with hunting or americans with ranching have aggression and competition built into their DNA because a neighbour can always steal your cows or goats (but he cant steal your rice paddy). hence why china is a better model for a world that is at peace and the americans and the middle eastern goat herders or the mexican cowboys are always looking for a revenge attack that's why they are coming here to steal our real estate and land from us. Yes how very industrious of them :( And what industries are they bringing to Australia ? Ahhh lets see. Two dollar shops, coffee shops, fish and chip shops and milk bars :D LOL Yes very industrious when they come to Australia :D LOL Don't forget massage therapy shops and beauty and nails...... All done with cheap gear and poor hygiene..... Did you see the women on 9 News tonight who had developed serious eye infections from poorly applied false eyelashes? My daughter works in the industry and says this sort of thing is prevalent in Asian run establishments because they use cheap and dangerous imported materials and fixatives and have poor hygiene standards..... Oh and usually unqualified staff because the industry goes mainly unregulated. Chow beauty therapists on ACA again, eh? Tenacious little bastards, aren't they?

Bit of a worry when they offer discreet rear entry - does that mean they don't have a door opening to the main street and clients can walk in unseen by the public?

And don't forget the plastic surgeons sans qualifications that undercut the regular doctors.... Lingchi School of surgery ....

Lingchi (Chinese: 凌遲), translated variously as the slow process, the lingering death, or slow slicing, and also known as death by a thousand cuts, was a form of torture and execution used in China from roughly 900 CE until it was banned in 1905.

Now THIS is a killer:-

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