Sydney's growing toll road network world's most extensive and expensive, experts say   :(


ABC News
Updated Tue at 9:24am


Providing transport infrastructure and reducing congestion are key issues leading into any NSW election, especially for voters suffering ongoing traffic torment in Sydney.

And it will bring them little comfort to know that transport experts have given the city the dubious honour of having the most extensive — and expensive — urban toll road network in the world.

Sydney has nine toll roads that include a total of 15 toll points, and will soon have even more when motorways under construction are completed.

Currently, motorists are charged when driving on the:   :(

    M2
    new M4 WestConnex
    M5
    M7
    M4
    Eastern Distributor
    Cross-City Tunnel
    Lane Cove Tunnel
    Sydney Harbour Bridge
    Sydney Harbour Tunnel

M4 widening
The WestConnex network will have six toll points once completed.

There will be at least six additional tolls between now and 2023 upon completion of the:

    M4 tunnels
    M5 (from Beverly Hills to St Peters)
    M5 East (Beverly Hills to General Holmes Drive)
    M4-M5 link
    NorthConnex

"In terms of the kilometres of tolls in the urban area, Sydney has the most in the world," said Chinh Ho, senior lecturer with the Institute of Transport Logistics Studies at the University of Sydney.

    "We have an expensive network of toll roads.   :(

"The question is more to do whether or not people are willing to pay for them, or whether we head down the right track and bring in infrastructure not based on tolls."

Fees range for cars from $1.67 on the Military Road e-ramp to $7.45 on the Hills M2 Motorway at North Ryde.

The WestConnex has a wide range of fees from $4.93 on the new widened M4 to $7.89 on the new M4 between Parramatta (Church Street) and Haberfield (Parramatta Road and City West Link).

Total toll charges on the WestConnex will be capped at $9.30.
Matters of State
Getting from A to B
With public transport dominating discussion in both city and the regions, what are the major parties offering to keep NSW moving?



'Tolls don't work'   :(

Government promises that toll roads would ease traffic congestion and were crucial to the city's future have been dismissed as rhetorical "rubbish" by Dr Michelle Zeibots, research director of the UTS Transport Research Centre.

"Tollways aren't successful at reducing road congestion," she said.

"The reason why governments continue to build them is that they are put under enormous pressure by the tollway industry and individuals sometimes within their own party, who I would suggest are there to see tollway businesses make a lot of money.

"But that is at the expense of the general community and the local businesses of Sydney.

    "What Sydney needs is more public transport."

Dr Zeibots cited the Cross-City and Lane Cove tunnels as examples where initial traffic projections inflated the number of vehicles that would use the roads.

The Cross-City Tunnel went bankrupt after 16 months, and some transport experts fear stage 3 of WestConnex could follow the same route and attract less cars than predicted.
Cars driving beneath the Sydney Harbour Bridge toll point


How are tolls calculated   :(

Road infrastructure is expensive to build and the Government has no choice but to pass on the cost to users.

The motorway operators establish pricing points in consultation with the government.

A Transport for NSW spokesman said "different tolling approaches" existed for NSW motorways.

The pricing points, toll increases and length of the concession period (until the road is paid off) are determined by factors such as the cost of construction and the funding and financing needs of the project.
What's the toll from Lapstone Hill to Anzac Bridge?
Ben submitted a question to You Ask, We Answer, wondering how much it would cost him to travel from Lapstone Hill in the Blue Mountains to Anzac Bridge.

Using the LinkT toll calculator and the journey directions suggested by Google Maps:

– the fastest route would be to take the M7, M2 and M1 via the Lane Cove Tunnel and the Harbour Bridge for a total of $22.79 in tolls.   :(

– the longer route (by about six minutes) via the M4 into the city came to $4.93.

– once the WestConnex/M4 is completed, and if Ben was to use the M4 at Lapstone Hill, the widened M4 at Parramatta, then the new M4 between Parramatta and Haberfield, the toll total would be capped at $9.30.

Other considerations include increases in expenses, income and comparable toll roads, that tolls are charged for both directions of the motorway, and that trucks fees are three times higher than cars.

Transurban, which operates the nine toll roads, detailed during the 2017 Inquiry into Road Tolling that the value of time savings was also a price factor.

Revolt and take back the asylum - throw the perpetrators into a dungeon without compensation and restore sanity to Sydney....

A government body could run it all cheaper without having to pay all those board members and shareholders as well... goes without saying.... but has to be said over and over to get simple reality across ..

Once again - these never-ending rises in costs of living are causing upward pressure on incomes from salaries and wages, unemployment and partial employment, and hidden inflation ... and all to feed a few hungry-gutted vultures who stole roads from the state government, some of those vultures while holding down seats in that government....

Where is ICAC in all this?  Ordered off?  Sticks out like los cojones del cano ... but no action since this grand theft began.

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/2016/files/is_081.pdf

Colin Barnett's first toll road in WA faced so much opposition and public backlash it helped get his Government booted from office....I don't know why you people in the East accept this crap....Our taxes pay for our roads so why would you pay again???

:o :o :o

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 6:12pm:

Our taxes pay for our roads so why would you pay again???

we don't have much of a choice. Politicians, from all sides, all seem to be heavily invested in toll companies.

They should raise the tax on petrol rather than using toll roads.

Move to WA.

We don't put up with things like toll roads here.

Gladys Berejiklian NSW Premier has attempted to show that her Government is the 'building Government'

But this only   comes at with a huge price tag for example the M4 extensions they come at the enormous cost of making a Fee Free Motorway into a Tollway, this after decades of drivers paying tolls and eventually getting to the point where it was finally paid for

But this will never happen again. In future motorists will all always have to pay tolls because the  Government has 'given away' the road building to toll operators

Our NSW State election is only a few weeks away.  I predict that this 'sorry arsed' public property selling Government will get kicked out on its sorry arse

I'm sure Gladys Berejiklian already has her  'golden parachute' standing by in her office so she can 'jump' on some board/s   into the arms of private enterprise, that owe her favours from her time selling off the State of NSW, 

red baron wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 12:37pm:

Gladys Berejiklian NSW Premier has attempted to show that her Government is the 'building Government' But this only   comes at with a huge price tag for example the M4 extensions they come at the enormous cost of making a Fee Free Motorway into a Tollway, this after decades of drivers paying tolls and eventually getting to the point where it was finally paid for But this will never happen again. In future motorists will all always have to pay tolls because the  Government has 'given away' the road building to toll operators Our NSW State election is only a few weeks away.  I predict that this 'sorry arsed' public property selling Government will get kicked out on its sorry arse I'm sure Gladys Berejiklian already has her  'golden parachute' standing by in her office so she can 'jump' on some board/s   into the arms of private enterprise, that owe her favours from her time selling off the State of NSW,

Yup - she'll walk out with several golden parachutes and be a leech off the public purse for life... total waste of space.

red baron wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 12:37pm:

Gladys Berejiklian NSW Premier has attempted to show that her Government is the 'building Government' But this only   comes at with a huge price tag for example the M4 extensions they come at the enormous cost of making a Fee Free Motorway into a Tollway, this after decades of drivers paying tolls and eventually getting to the point where it was finally paid for

Do you mean like when Michael Daley was roads minister and introduced his "congestion toll" on the Harbour Bridge. And no-where else.

Besides, people using the M4 and M5 didn't pay tolls, they had NSW Labor pork barreling to ensure they got theirs refunded whilst voters from other electorates (M2, ED, Cross-city, LCT, Bridge and tunnel) got no such rebate and had to pay.