Looks like the only people left who are not investing in Renewable Energy is the LNP. :D LOL


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FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Royal Dutch Shell has agreed to buy German residential solar battery maker sonnen, as the oil and gas major expands its electricity business in its bid for a bigger role in the global transition to low-carbon energy. Sonnen, which has 40,000 battery systems worldwide and in 2017 had sales of 65 million euros ($73 million), is the German market leader in home storage batteries and has expanded into electric vehicle charging systems. Regulatory approval and completion of the transaction, involving Shell New Energies, was expected in the first quarter of 2019, a sonnen spokesman said, without giving a value. Sonnen would continue to operate from the Bavarian town of Wildpoldsried and its top management would stay on, he said. Germany has 1.5 million solar systems whose subsidized sales tariffs are due to be phased out in coming years. By acquiring batteries, householders can store home-produced power and use it for themselves or sell it to the grid. Shell, the world’s second largest listed oil and gas producer, has accelerated investment in renewable energy and power markets, betting on a rapid rise in electricity demand due to electric vehicle use and a switch to cleaner energy sources. It has acquired vehicle charging technologies, solar power producers and retail energy supplier First Utility. Shell injected cash into sonnen last year to help it grow. Sonnen’s existing investors, including GE Ventures and European private equity investors, will be bought out.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sonnen-m-a-shell/shell-buys-german-solar-battery-maker-sonnen-idUSKCN1Q4199

Batteries are now renewables? Or merely just a crutch for renewables?

Or did you mean the rest of the piece?

You thought Shell wouldn't be into anything but oil? Anything that might make them money?

Did you see? "Shell, the world’s second largest listed oil and gas producer" and nothing about getting out of oil and gas.

Next you will be blaming battery prices not falling on the evil fossil fuel companies. ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 1:08pm:

Batteries are now renewables? Or merely just a crutch for renewables? Or did you mean the rest of the piece? You thought Shell wouldn't be into anything but oil? Anything that might make them money? Did you see? "Shell, the world’s second largest listed oil and gas producer" and nothing about getting out of oil and gas. Next you will be blaming battery prices not falling on the evil fossil fuel companies. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Shell can see a future in renewable energy and electric cars but the LNP spends all of its time trying to convince the rest of us that it is all a waste of time :D LOL

https://cromhallchapel.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/dontreinventthemap-6ba62b8ba05d4957d2ed772584d7e4cd.png

Shell can see a way to make more money. ;)

How positively wonderful.

Not going to comment on evil oil owning the battery maker? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

Shell can see a way to make more money. ;) How positively wonderful. Not going to comment on evil oil owning the battery maker? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

But the LNP can't :D LOL

What does that say about the LNP ?

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 2:26pm:

But the LNP can't

So how does Labor make money? print it?

or perhaps you mean they get kickbacks from renewables?

lee wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 2:42pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 2:26pm: But the LNP can't So how does Labor make money? print it? or perhaps you mean they get kickbacks from renewables?

The LNP rarely endorses renewable energy industries but Shell can. :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 3:56pm:

The LNP rarely endorses renewable energy industries but Shell can.

Does that mean Shell can rarely endorse renewable energy industries?

Should Governments be in the business of picking and choosing winners/losers?

It has been tried before and the results were less than encouraging.

lee wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 4:07pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 3:56pm: The LNP rarely endorses renewable energy industries but Shell can. Does that mean Shell can rarely endorse renewable energy industries? Should Governments be in the business of picking and choosing winners/losers? It has been tried before and the results were less than encouraging.

Well they like to keep taking credit for all of the jobs they have help create so I guess you can say they should be interested in promoting renewables so they can create some real jobs for a change ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 17^th, 2019 at 9:19am:

Well they like to keep taking credit for all of the jobs they have help create so I guess you can say they should be interested in promoting renewables so they can create some real jobs for a change

Which of course is completely different from endorsing products.

So how many permanent green jobs have been created as opposed to losses in fossil fuelled industries?

lee wrote on Feb 17^th, 2019 at 11:53am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 17th, 2019 at 9:19am: Well they like to keep taking credit for all of the jobs they have help create so I guess you can say they should be interested in promoting renewables so they can create some real jobs for a change Which of course is completely different from endorsing products. So how many permanent green jobs have been created as opposed to losses in fossil fuelled industries?

So how many losses in type writer manufacturers and mechanics over the years because of computers ? Maybe you, socko and Tone should go back in a time machine where you would be very happy shoveling coal into a furnace :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 17^th, 2019 at 1:33pm:

So how many losses in type writer manufacturers and mechanics over the years because of computers ?

Didn't you get the memo. The successful typewriter companies became computer companies. Think IBM. And the mechanics became module swap jockeys.

You just can't help yourself can you !

There is no corner left for you Luddites to hide in now :D LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KoMeJB_ywY

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 17^th, 2019 at 2:01pm:

There is no corner left for you Luddites to hide in now

Wow. Luddites use computers now. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Feb 17^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 17th, 2019 at 2:01pm: There is no corner left for you Luddites to hide in now Wow. Luddites use computers now. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yes to carry on your work of halting progress in renewables by spreading propaganda :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 11:00am:

Yes to carry on your work of halting progress in renewables by spreading propaganda

Really? I have achieved that? ;D ;D ;D ;D

BTW - isn't using the term Luddites propaganda?

lee wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 11:00am: Yes to carry on your work of halting progress in renewables by spreading propaganda Really? I have achieved that? ;D ;D ;D ;D BTW - isn't using the term Luddites propaganda?

The L in LNP really stands for Luddite :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 1:10pm:

The L in LNP really stands for Luddite

So they don't use computers? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're an idiot !

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 2:01pm:

You're an idiot !

You are the one making this sch!t up.

Stop filling this thread up with your bullshit.

If you can't properly debate the topic then F.ckoff this thread. You've had your go.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Stop filling this thread up with your bullshit.

You were the one brought up Luddites.


Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

If you can't properly debate the topic then F.ckoff this thread. You've had your go.

Ah, So terming people Luddites is proper debate? I stand corrected. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're an idiot !

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 4:27pm:

You're an idiot !

And when your debating skills fail; use ad homs. ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're an idiot !

OOOh repetition. Advanced Debating Skills 102? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're an idiot !

You really are devoid of rebuttals. ;D ;D ;D ;D

The term "energy" became popular with oil and gas companies back in the 1970s. It wasn't just a fashion. That is what companies like Shell are interested in. From a corporate perspective, they know they need to diversify, whether or not individually their stock-holders believe global warming has been brought about by the ever-increasing amounts of carbon pumped into the sky by human activity since circa 1830.

The sky is just a big garbage dump anyway, and the wind blows all the sh*t away, so no worries.

In the meantime, the corporate world is crunching the numbers, dollars, and futures. Its only mental dinosaurs and vested interests who think they can go back to the gas guzzling, coal burning 1950s.

The thing is, all energy sources available to humans on planet earth, come from the sun. New technology is making it possible to bypass inefficient storage matter like fossil fuel.

Sure, there will be a transition where oil and coal are in use alongside more advanced energy sources, but their days are numbered.

issuevoter wrote on Feb 19^th, 2019 at 8:58pm:

The thing is, all energy sources available to humans on planet earth, come from the sun. New technology is making it possible to bypass inefficient storage matter like fossil fuel.

Perhaps you cave us the relative efficiencies of solar, wind, gas, coal and petroleum.
In BTU's perhaps?

lee wrote on Feb 19^th, 2019 at 9:40pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 8:58pm: The thing is, all energy sources available to humans on planet earth, come from the sun. New technology is making it possible to bypass inefficient storage matter like fossil fuel. Perhaps you cave us the relative efficiencies of solar, wind, gas, coal and petroleum. In BTU's perhaps?

As a fair comparison you should include the inefficiency all the way back to extracting it from a well in the middle east instead of thinking that it magically appears at the fossil fool bowser in another country ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 9:47am:

As a fair comparison you should include the inefficiency all the way back to extracting it from a well in the middle east instead of thinking that it magically appears at the fossil fool bowser in another country

So that would include the GHG emissions in transporting Chinese Solar Panels and Wind Turbines of any manufacture to Australia? Just for a fair comparison, of course. ;)

lee wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 11:35am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 9:47am: As a fair comparison you should include the inefficiency all the way back to extracting it from a well in the middle east instead of thinking that it magically appears at the fossil fool bowser in another country So that would include the GHG emissions in transporting Chinese Solar Panels and Wind Turbines of any manufacture to Australia? Just for a fair comparison, of course. ;)

Versus continual GHG emissions from the extraction of every liter of crude oil, refinement, transportation across the ocean, further refinement, distribution etc.

I think renewables win hands down don't you ;) And to add to that they are now building wind turbines in Australia so you can eliminate that source of GHG.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 10:49am:

I think renewables win hands down don't you

You haven't articulated the GHG's and other noxious emissions that occur during the manufacture of solar panels and wind turbines.

Renewables are too intermittent in the manufacturing process, so they must use petroleum based products for extraction, refinement, transportation and further distribution.


Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 10:49am:

And to add to that they are now building wind turbines in Australia so you can eliminate that source of GHG.

They now manufacture wind turbines solely using renewables? ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 11:28am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 10:49am: I think renewables win hands down don't you You haven't articulated the GHG's and other noxious emissions that occur during the manufacture of solar panels and wind turbines. Renewables are too intermittent in the manufacturing process, so they must use petroleum based products for extraction, refinement, transportation and further distribution. Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 10:49am: And to add to that they are now building wind turbines in Australia so you can eliminate that source of GHG. They now manufacture wind turbines solely using renewables? ;D ;D ;D ;D

The Tesla Gigafactory is powered by renewables. They are carbon neutral. It can be done but not with the LNP retards in charge.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 11:38am:

The Tesla Gigafactory is powered by renewables.

Yes petal. Just not "solely". ;)

"Tesla Gigafactory To Be Powered 100% By “Tesla Solar” By End Of 2019"

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/08/27/tesla-gigafactory-to-be-powered-100-by-tesla-solar-by-end-of-2019/

You do understand the difference between currently and a future intent? ;)

lee wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 11:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 11:38am: The Tesla Gigafactory is powered by renewables. Yes petal. Just not "solely". ;) "Tesla Gigafactory To Be Powered 100% By “Tesla Solar” By End Of 2019" https://cleantechnica.com/2018/08/27/tesla-gigafactory-to-be-powered-100-by-tesla-solar-by-end-of-2019/ You do understand the difference between currently and a future intent? ;)

SO less than 100% is not good enough for you :D LOL

What a whinger :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 9:58am:

SO less than 100% is not good enough for you

You are the one whinging about CO2 emissions. ;)

It will be interesting to see if Shell just caretakes Sonnen our pours some money into it.... Potentially there to be in every house and energy storage for grid and renewables... I agree with Lee if its making money u cant fault Shell. ;)