Michaelia Cash to front court over union investigation, police raids   :)

February 11, 2019
The Age
 

Federal minister Michaelia Cash will front court this week over her involvement in a donations investigation into the Australian Workers Union and controversial federal police raids on its offices.

The union has launched civil action in the Federal Court in response to the investigation and raids carried out in 2017, arguing they were illegal and politically motivated.


The raids were carried out as part of an investigation by the Registered Organisations Commission (ROC) into donations to activist group GetUp! totalling $100,000 from two divisions of the AWU going back to 2006.

Maurice Blackburn principal lawyer Josh Bornstein, who is acting for the AWU, said the union was seeking a “declaration that the raids and the investigation were and are unlawful”.


No charges will be laid over union raid tip-offs from Michaelia Cash office

“That is the ultimate objective of the legal case.”

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten was the head of the AWU when the donations were made.

Some of Ms Cash’s former staff members have also been subpoenaed to appear in court, with her former media advisor David De Garis taking the stand on Monday. Ms Cash is due to give evidence on Friday.

The ROC investigation was established to probe whether the donations to GetUp! followed union rules. The commission is responsible for monitoring and regulating unions and employer associations.

Journalists were tipped off about the 2017 raids, which were conducted by the Australian Federal Police. But Ms Cash, who was employment minister at the time, has denied she had any involvement in tipping off the media.

However, Mr De Garis resigned a short time later.


AFP officers removed shredded documents and other evidence from the AWU offices in Sydney in 2017.

Earlier this year the federal police said they would not proceed with an investigation into how the raids were leaked to the press.

Outside court on Monday AWU national secretary Daniel Walton said the union had been waiting for the Australian Federal Police to conclude their investigation to bring on the legal action.

“We [began] this case because we believe the Minister Michaelia Cash misused her position by instigating an investigation into the AWU,” he said.

Mr Walton said he hoped Justice Mordecai Bromberg would see the minister’s actions had been a “massive overstep and misuse of political resources”.

“The AFP at the time of raiding our offices said they didn’t have enough resources to run terrorism matters, to investigate drug rings,” he said.

“Instead they were sent to our offices in large numbers to find a couple of pieces of paper relating to donations that were made over a decade ago and donations that were declared and made publicly available.

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Oh, so another day full of
"I cannot recall"

The raids were carried out as part of an investigation by the Registered Organisations Commission (ROC) into donations to activist group GetUp! totalling $100,000 from two divisions of the AWU going back to 2006.



Why did the Australian Workers Union give $100,000 of workers union fees to a leftist activist organisation trying to free reffos amongst other things? How is that going to make their workplaces safer? I can see why union membership is declining. Dirty dealings from leftist scum. I love seeing these radical leftist fascists  slowly rotting away in the western world. It gives me a woody.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:20pm:

Oh, so another day full of "I cannot recall"

Dedicated to Ms Cash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k_ZRyws8Uc

I got no means to show identification
I got no papers show you what I am
You'll have to take me just the way that you find me
What's gone is gone and I do not give a damn
Empty stomach, empty head
I got empty heart and empty bed

I don't remember
I don't remember
I don't remember, I don't recall
I got no memory of anything at all
I don't remember, I don't recall
I got no memory of anything
Anything at all

Strange is your language and I have no decoder
Why don't you make your intentions clear
With eyes to the sun and your mouth to the soda
Saying, "Tell me the truth, you got nothing to fear
Stop staring at me like a bird of prey
I'm all mixed up, I got nothing to say

I don't remember
I don't remember
I don't remember, I don't recall
I got no memory of anything at all
I don't remember, I don't recall
I got no memory of anything
Anything at all
I don't remember, I don't recall
I got no memory of anything at all
I don't remember, I don't recall
I got no memory of anything
Absolutely anything at all
I don't remember

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:29pm:

Dedicated to Ms Cash:

Ah. The Carmen Lawrence defence. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

C.R.A.F.T.

Pecca loves stuffed up workplaces and squandered union fees. It's his living.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

The raids were carried out as part of an investigation by the Registered Organisations Commission (ROC) into donations to activist group GetUp! totalling $100,000 from two divisions of the AWU going back to 2006. Why did the Australian Workers Union give $100,000 of workers union fees to a leftist activist organisation trying to free reffos amongst other things? How is that going to make their workplaces safer? I can see why union membership is declining. Dirty dealings from leftist scum. I love seeing these radical leftist fascists  slowly rotting away in the western world. It gives me a woody.

Money well spent.

GetUp! are champions of workers' rights.

https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/workers-rights/apple/sign-the-petition?t=dXNlcmlkPTk5MTAxNixlbWFpbGlkPTU4Ng==

https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/fair-wages-for-workers-with-disabilities/fair-wages-for-workers-with-disabilities-email/fair-wages-for-workers-with-a-disability

https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/workers-rights/workers-footing-the-gap/at-what-cost

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 4:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:26pm: The raids were carried out as part of an investigation by the Registered Organisations Commission (ROC) into donations to activist group GetUp! totalling $100,000 from two divisions of the AWU going back to 2006. Why did the Australian Workers Union give $100,000 of workers union fees to a leftist activist organisation trying to free reffos amongst other things? How is that going to make their workplaces safer? I can see why union membership is declining. Dirty dealings from leftist scum. I love seeing these radical leftist fascists  slowly rotting away in the western world. It gives me a woody. Money well spent. GetUp! are champions of workers' rights. https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/workers-rights/apple/sign-the-petition?t=dXNlcmlkPTk5MTAxNixlbWFpbGlkPTU4Ng== https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/fair-wages-for-workers-with-disabilities/fair-wages-for-workers-with-disabilities-email/fair-wages-for-workers-with-a-disability https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/workers-rights/workers-footing-the-gap/at-what-cost

Did the unions ask the workers if they want their money spent on a independant political organisation??

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 4:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 4:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:26pm: The raids were carried out as part of an investigation by the Registered Organisations Commission (ROC) into donations to activist group GetUp! totalling $100,000 from two divisions of the AWU going back to 2006. Why did the Australian Workers Union give $100,000 of workers union fees to a leftist activist organisation trying to free reffos amongst other things? How is that going to make their workplaces safer? I can see why union membership is declining. Dirty dealings from leftist scum. I love seeing these radical leftist fascists  slowly rotting away in the western world. It gives me a woody. Money well spent. GetUp! are champions of workers' rights. https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/workers-rights/apple/sign-the-petition?t=dXNlcmlkPTk5MTAxNixlbWFpbGlkPTU4Ng== https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/fair-wages-for-workers-with-disabilities/fair-wages-for-workers-with-disabilities-email/fair-wages-for-workers-with-a-disability https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/workers-rights/workers-footing-the-gap/at-what-cost Did the unions ask the workers if they want their money spent on a independant political organisation??

'their money'  ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 4:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 4:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 4:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:26pm: The raids were carried out as part of an investigation by the Registered Organisations Commission (ROC) into donations to activist group GetUp! totalling $100,000 from two divisions of the AWU going back to 2006. Why did the Australian Workers Union give $100,000 of workers union fees to a leftist activist organisation trying to free reffos amongst other things? How is that going to make their workplaces safer? I can see why union membership is declining. Dirty dealings from leftist scum. I love seeing these radical leftist fascists  slowly rotting away in the western world. It gives me a woody. Money well spent. GetUp! are champions of workers' rights. https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/workers-rights/apple/sign-the-petition?t=dXNlcmlkPTk5MTAxNixlbWFpbGlkPTU4Ng== https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/fair-wages-for-workers-with-disabilities/fair-wages-for-workers-with-disabilities-email/fair-wages-for-workers-with-a-disability https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/workers-rights/workers-footing-the-gap/at-what-cost Did the unions ask the workers if they want their money spent on a independant political organisation?? 'their money'  ;D ;D ;D

It is their money pumpkin. Union fees are designed to help workers in time of need and for their betterment on workplace issues. Not fund aspiring political parties.

Quote:

Michaelia Cash To Front Court Over Union Raids

I hope they jail the screeching galah

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 4:46pm:

I hope they jail the screeching galah

Yeah. Wouldn't want rule of law would we? ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 4:46pm: I hope they jail the screeching galah Yeah. Wouldn't want rule of law would we? ;D ;D ;D

In her case I'd be prepared to overlook the laws and just lock her up.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 4:46pm:

Quote: Michaelia Cash To Front Court Over Union Raids I hope they jail the screeching galah

"Watcha talkin about Willis!!! "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD1Lvds3N9g

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:13pm:

In her case I'd be prepared to overlook the laws and just lock her up.

yes and a great many others as well I would imagine.

The laws should only work in your favour. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:13pm: In her case I'd be prepared to overlook the laws and just lock her up. yes and a great many others as well I would imagine. The laws should only work in your favour. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

bloody oaf. I'd certainly prefer they work in my favour then yours.

If you pretend otherwise you're a liar.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:17pm:

lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:16pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:13pm: In her case I'd be prepared to overlook the laws and just lock her up. yes and a great many others as well I would imagine. The laws should only work in your favour. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D bloody oaf. I'd certainly prefer they work in my favour then yours. If you pretend otherwise you're a liar.

than

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:17pm: lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:16pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:13pm: In her case I'd be prepared to overlook the laws and just lock her up. yes and a great many others as well I would imagine. The laws should only work in your favour. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D bloody oaf. I'd certainly prefer they work in my favour then yours. If you pretend otherwise you're a liar. than

get a life

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:24pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:22pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:17pm: lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:16pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:13pm: In her case I'd be prepared to overlook the laws and just lock her up. yes and a great many others as well I would imagine. The laws should only work in your favour. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D bloody oaf. I'd certainly prefer they work in my favour then yours. If you pretend otherwise you're a liar. than get a life

dumbass

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:17pm:

If you pretend otherwise you're a liar.

Making Sch!t up again?

I believe in equality before the law. Do the crime do the time, kind of thing.

But it certainly says a lot about you. ;)

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:17pm: If you pretend otherwise you're a liar. Making Sch!t up again? I believe in equality before the law. Do the crime do the time, kind of thing. But it certainly says a lot about you. ;)

So if you went to court you wouldn't want the laws to favour you?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Like I said, you're a liar.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:28pm:

dumbass

no need to sign your name, I knew who posted it.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:52pm:

So if you went to court you wouldn't want the laws to favour you? Like I said, you're a liar.

A I said it says more about you. Poor little petal. If you go to court you want to be treated differently to everybody else.

But I suspect your second line is against site rules. ;)

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:00pm:

A I said it says more about you. Poor little petal. If you go to court you want to be treated differently to everybody else.

If I go to court I want only one outcome, to win.


lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:00pm:

But I suspect your second line is against site rules. Wink

suspect all you like. If you're lying then you're a liar. What else do you want to call it?

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

If I go to court I want only one outcome, to win.

So you don't want to be treated more favourably?


John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:17pm:

I'd certainly prefer they work in my favour then yours.

So not evidence based but that they work more in your favour. ;D ;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

If you're lying then you're a liar.

Oh look a slight step back. Now there is an IF there. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

John's SPESHUL.

The Liberals need to be taught that they cannot continue use the AFP as their political attack dog.

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:11pm:

So you don't want to be treated more favourably?

are you trying to take stupid to new levels? If so, you're succeeding. I've answered this twice already.


lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:11pm:

Oh look a slight step back. Now there is an IF there. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

only in so far as explaining to you the definition of a liar.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:53pm:

The Liberals need to be taught that they cannot continue use the AFP as their political attack dog.

I'm really glad this  issue still has oxygen because we might get an answer to why Bill Shorten donated $100,000 in workers union fees to a independant political party. I doubt Cash will be the only one going down. Bill is probably hoping the whole issue will disapear along with his ex flame.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:02pm:

a independant political party

;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D


what ballot paper are they on?

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:02pm: a independant political party ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D what ballot paper are they on?

So why have GetUp! got a campaign going right now to asshole Abbott then if they aren't a political party muppet?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:11pm:

So why have GetUp! got a campaign going right now to asshole Abbott then if they aren't a political party muppet?

so when newscorp was running a campaign against labor they were a political party? :D :D


do you even stop to think before the poo pours out of your mouth or do you just open up and let it run?

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:11pm: So why have GetUp! got a campaign going right now to asshole Abbott then if they aren't a political party muppet? so when newscorp was running a campaign against labor they were a political party? :D :D do you even stop to think before the poo pours out of your mouth or do you just open up and let it run?

The problem is you are a mushroom. No dipshit.  Bill gave them $100,000 of union members money. Obviously they are on Bill's books. Bit fishy hey. They are obviously a unofficial offshoot of the Labor Party.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:59pm:

are you trying to take stupid to new levels?

No I leave that to you. You are doing exceptionally well.

I note you left out your reply where you said "they work in my favour then yours". So you would rather they work in your favour than being decided on evidence. ;)


John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:59pm:

only in so far as explaining to you the definition of a liar.

Oh you think I needed a definition? How cute. Then seeing as you say so perhaps you could post PROOF. Not your little lame brained "you wouldn't want the laws to favour you". Never heard of "Equality before the Law"?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:11pm: So why have GetUp! got a campaign going right now to asshole Abbott then if they aren't a political party muppet? so when newscorp was running a campaign against labor they were a political party? :D :D do you even stop to think before the poo pours out of your mouth or do you just open up and let it run? The problem is you are a mushroom. No dipshit.  Bill gave them $100,000 of union members money. Obviously they are on Bill's books. Bit fishy hey. They are obviously a unofficial offshoot of the Labor Party.

and abbott gave murdoch $30m of taxpayer money.  :D :D

the difference is that the unions can donate money to whoever they want, no matter how much you cry about it, whereas Abbott should not be using tax dollars to pay his bribes

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:36pm:

Pecca loves stuffed up workplaces and squandered union fees. It's his living.

You got an opinion on the topic ?

You support politicians using the AFP as their own personal political police force to be used against their opposition ?

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:19pm:

I note you left out your reply where you said "they work in my favour then yours". So you would rather they work in your favour than being decided on evidence. Wink

if I'm in court? bloody oaf. I've answered this three times now. Do you suffer from dementia?


lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:19pm:

Oh you think I needed a definition? How cute.

I know you needed it.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:36pm: Pecca loves stuffed up workplaces and squandered union fees. It's his living. You got an opinion on the topic ? You support politicians using the AFP as their own personal political police force to be used against their opposition ?

If it's for good reason. Like stealing peoples union fees for political activism I do. It's a disgraceful state of affairs.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:24pm:

if I'm in court?

Oh so what laws work in your favour out of court? ;)

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:18pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:11pm: So why have GetUp! got a campaign going right now to asshole Abbott then if they aren't a political party muppet? so when newscorp was running a campaign against labor they were a political party? :D :D do you even stop to think before the poo pours out of your mouth or do you just open up and let it run? The problem is you are a mushroom. No dipshit.  Bill gave them $100,000 of union members money. Obviously they are on Bill's books. Bit fishy hey. They are obviously a unofficial offshoot of the Labor Party. and abbott gave murdoch $30m of taxpayer money.  :D :D the difference is that the unions can donate money to whoever they want, no matter how much you cry about it, whereas Abbott should not be using tax dollars to pay his bribes

So in one sentence you condemn political donations and then defend Bill Shorten ripping off union fees. Tax is the governments money to spend on our country. Union fees belong to the worker. That's the difference. Union fees are part of a  pool to help workers in times of need. Not to be spent on Bill's dirty dealings.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:21pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:36pm: Pecca loves stuffed up workplaces and squandered union fees. It's his living. You got an opinion on the topic ? You support politicians using the AFP as their own personal political police force to be used against their opposition ? If it's for good reason. Like stealing peoples union fees for political activism I do. It's a disgraceful state of affairs.

Cash could not have cared less - what it was about was to try and stitch up Bill on a bogus claim. They royal commission had already gone through the documents.

The Libs appear to have been using the AFP on a political hatchet job and they brought in the Media to make it a prime time show.

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:24pm: if I'm in court? Oh so what laws work in your favour out of court? ;)

all of them

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:36pm:

So in one sentence you condemn political donations and then defend Bill Shorten ripping off union fees.

no, I've not condemend political donations in this instance, although I often do. Murdoch didn't donate $30 mil to abbott, abbott gifted him $30m of our tax dollars


Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:36pm:

Tax is the governments money to spend on our country.

yes, on the country. Not on propaganda for the liberal party There is a huge difference.


Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:36pm:

Union fees belong to the worker.

no they don't. They belong to the union, once you pay your fee you have no say what happens to the money


Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:36pm:

Union fees are part of a  pool to help workers in times of need.

Union fees are used for a multitude of things. That is only ONE use for them.


Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:36pm:

Not to be spent on Bill's dirty dealings.

Thats why the AFP charged bill, right?  :D :D

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:21pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:36pm: Pecca loves stuffed up workplaces and squandered union fees. It's his living. You got an opinion on the topic ? You support politicians using the AFP as their own personal political police force to be used against their opposition ? If it's for good reason. Like stealing peoples union fees for political activism I do. It's a disgraceful state of affairs. Cash could not have cared less - what it was about was to try and stitch up Bill on a bogus claim. They royal commission had already gone through the documents. The Libs appear to have been using the AFP on a political hatchet job and they brought in the Media to make it a prime time show.

It's not a bogus claim. They did it-

“Instead they were sent to our offices in large numbers to find a couple of pieces of paper relating to donations that were made over a decade ago and donations that were declared and made publicly available.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:36pm: So in one sentence you condemn political donations and then defend Bill Shorten ripping off union fees. no, I've not condemend political donations in this instance, although I often do. Murdoch didn't donate $30 mil to abbott, abbott gifted him $30m of our tax dollars Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:36pm: Tax is the governments money to spend on our country. yes, on the country. Not on propaganda for the liberal party There is a huge difference. Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:36pm: Union fees belong to the worker. no they don't. They belong to the union, once you pay your fee you have no say what happens to the money Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:36pm: Union fees are part of a  pool to help workers in times of need. Union fees are used for a multitude of things. That is only ONE use for them. Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:36pm: Not to be spent on Bill's dirty dealings. Thats why the AFP charged bill, right?  :D :D

They all give donations to the media muppet. Look at the ABC under Labor. I'm talking about union fees. I paid hundreds of dollars a year for 14 years into the TWU. I'd hate to think our money was going to crap like leftist radicals.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

They all give donations to the media muppet.

no, they don't.


Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

Look at the ABC under Labor.

the abc is govt owned and funded you moron. It has nothing to do with giving Murdock $30m of our money



Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

I paid hundreds of dollars a year for 14 years into the TWU. I'd hate to think our money was going to crap like leftist radicals.

it doesn't matter what you'd hate. You paid it, it's no longer your decision where they spend it.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:05pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:57pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:21pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:36pm: Pecca loves stuffed up workplaces and squandered union fees. It's his living. You got an opinion on the topic ? You support politicians using the AFP as their own personal political police force to be used against their opposition ? If it's for good reason. Like stealing peoples union fees for political activism I do. It's a disgraceful state of affairs. Cash could not have cared less - what it was about was to try and stitch up Bill on a bogus claim. They royal commission had already gone through the documents. The Libs appear to have been using the AFP on a political hatchet job and they brought in the Media to make it a prime time show. It's not a bogus claim. They did it- “Instead they were sent to our offices in large numbers to find a couple of pieces of paper relating to donations that were made over a decade ago and [highlight]donations that were declared and made publicly available. [/highlight]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if your criminal mob could declare their donors instead of shuffling brown paper bags under the table. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:02pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 6:53pm: The Liberals need to be taught that they cannot continue use the AFP as their political attack dog. I'm really glad this  issue still has oxygen because we might get an answer to why Bill Shorten donated $100,000 in workers union fees to a independant political party. I doubt Cash will be the only one going down. Bill is probably hoping the whole issue will disapear along with his ex flame.

Which political party are you talking about - the ALP?

Why wouldn't a Union donate money to the ALP?

It's their party.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:08pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:02pm: a independant political party ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D what ballot paper are they on? So why have GetUp! got a campaign going right now to asshole Abbott then if they aren't a political party muppet?

Ah, now I see the confusion.

GetUp! is a lobby group, not a political party.

Lobby groups run campaigns.

There's a newsflash happening right now involving ICAC and donations from a wealthy Chinese family to Labor under strawman tactics. Bowen , Bill and all the rest of the crew were at the  dinner party  where it occurred . Pecca and muppet might be interested. Funny timing. Enjoy.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

all of them

Hmm let's recap -

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:17pm:

I'd certainly prefer they work in my favour then yours.

So all of the laws work in your favour over mine? You are truly delusional.

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:53pm:

So all of the laws work in your favour over mine? You are truly delusional.

now now, you should know that moving goalposts never works.  :D :D

macman wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:17pm:

Wouldn't it be wonderful if your criminal mob could declare their donors instead of shuffling brown paper bags under the table.

Missed the stories on ALP and the Mafia? Teti

The ALP and the Chinese? Dastyari

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

macman wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:17pm: Wouldn't it be wonderful if your criminal mob could declare their donors instead of shuffling brown paper bags under the table. Missed the stories on ALP and the Mafia? Teti The Chinese and the ALP? Dastyari

There' a new one doing the rounds involving a prominent Chinese family passing bundles of money along at a dinner with Bill and the whole crew in attendance Lee.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

now now, you should know that moving goalposts never works

But you keep trying. Going from a comparison you to me to you alone. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I hope her electorate boot the mole

Its time wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:07pm:

I hope her electorate boot the mole

Can't the entire country boot the mole?

Deport it to Texas?

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:56pm: now now, you should know that moving goalposts never works But you keep trying. Going from a comparison you to me to you alone. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

this is what you asked!


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Oh so what laws work in your favour out of court? Wink

no mention of 'over me'.  :D :D :D

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

macman wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:17pm: Wouldn't it be wonderful if your criminal mob could declare their donors instead of shuffling brown paper bags under the table. Missed the stories on ALP and the Mafia? Teti The ALP and the Chinese? Dastyari

you mean the same guy who donated heaps to the libs too?  :D :D :D

funny that ehh. Donate to Sam, 'bad'. Donate to libs, 'all good'.  ::) ::) ::)

She will make an appearance at her electorate to vote for herself...from behind a whiteboard.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:11pm:

no mention of 'over me'.

That's right petal it was all part of the conversation. I didn't know you suffered short term memory loss.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:12pm:

you mean the same guy who donated heaps to the libs too?

yes petal. Just think both sides doing it and macman only wants to point the finger one way, not at the ALP. Perhaps he should have addressed his complaint to both parties.

Maybe he should remove the log from his eye. ;)

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:12pm: you mean the same guy who donated heaps to the libs too?  yes petal. Just think both sides doing it and macman only wants to point the finger one way, not at the ALP. Perhaps he should have addressed his complaint to both parties. Maybe he should remove the log from his eye. ;)

and yet you only mentioned the ALP .... dishonest little bastard aren't you?



lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

That's right petal it was all part of the conversation. I didn't know you suffered short term memory loss.

no short term memory loss. You asked a specific question, I dealt with it. Not my fault you can't remember what you asked.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:12pm:

lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:56pm: macman wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:17pm: Wouldn't it be wonderful if your criminal mob could declare their donors instead of shuffling brown paper bags under the table. Missed the stories on ALP and the Mafia? Teti The ALP and the Chinese? Dastyari you mean the same guy who donated heaps to the libs too?  :D :D :D funny that ehh. Donate to Sam, 'bad'. Donate to libs, 'all good'.  ::) ::) ::)

Who could forget bishops glory hole foundation

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:10pm:

and yet you only mentioned the ALP .... dishonest little bastard aren't you?

But macman had alrady fingered them. Did you want me to re-invent the wheel? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:10pm:

no short term memory loss. You asked a specific question, I dealt with it.

It was asked in the context of a conversation. ;)


John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:10pm:

Not my fault you can't remember what you asked.

Way back when? I did, you didn't.

Goodbye

Its time wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 11:47pm:

Who could forget bishops glory hole foundation

Is that like the Evatt Foundation? The John Cain Foundation?

Seems the "chief of staff" has been offered up - head on platter - to save Cash.

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

Seems the "chief of staff" has been offered up - head on platter - to save Cash.

Is that like the leaking of where Gillard and Abbott were having dinner?

"Yes Minister."

;)

The Coalition do not want a Federal corruption body and certainly don't want an anti corruption body with retrospective powers....The ROC which initiated the raids on the AWU over donations made over a decade ago only came into existence in 2017 so the Coalition have provided retrospective powers to their attack dog....Doesn't that sound a tad hypocritical and underhanded???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:01pm:

The Coalition do not want a Federal corruption body and certainly don't want an anti corruption body with retrospective powers.

Bill, if he wins, will sort it, if he thinks there is nothing dodgy in past Labor Governments.

Never set up a Commission Of Inquiry unless you know the outcome beforehand.

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 6:01pm: The Coalition do not want a Federal corruption body and certainly don't want an anti corruption body with retrospective powers. Bill, if he wins, will sort it.

What do you mean if???

;D ;D ;D

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:22pm:

What do you mean if???

Well petal the polls haven't been called yet. So in the intervening period Bill could be usurped, Die. That would mean Bill would not win. Quite apart from the obvious he loses a so-called "unlosable" election. ;)

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:27pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 6:22pm: What do you mean if??? Well petal the polls haven't been called yet. So in the intervening period Bill could be usurped, Die. That would mean Bill would not win. Quite apart from the obvious he loses a so-called "unlosable" election. ;)

So no comment on the actual context of my post....Or just more deflection???


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The Coalition do not want a Federal corruption body and certainly don't want an anti corruption body with retrospective powers....The ROC which initiated the raids on the AWU over donations made over a decade ago only came into existence in 2017 so the Coalition have provided retrospective powers to their attack dog....Doesn't that sound a tad hypocritical and underhanded???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:36pm:

So no comment on the actual context of my post....Or just more deflection???

Oh dear Phil is suffering delusions of adequacy yet again. I will try to make it clear for you.


lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:27pm:

philperth2010 wrote Today at 4:22pm: What do you mean if???

So IF in the intervening period Bill was usurped, Died. That would mean Bill would not win. Quite apart from the obvious he loses a so-called "unlosable" election.

There you go You now have your "IF"  Statement.



philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:36pm:

Quote: The Coalition do not want a Federal corruption body and certainly don't want an anti corruption body with retrospective powers..

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:09pm:

Bill, if he wins, will sort it, if he thinks there is nothing dodgy in past Labor Governments. Never set up a Commission Of Inquiry unless you know the outcome beforehand.

Already answered petal.

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:22pm:

Bill, if he wins, will sort it.

BTW - I see you changed my post. you know that is against site rules. Complete sentences they say. Not truncate the sentence and put in a full stop.

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 6:22pm: Bill, if he wins, will sort it. BTW - I see you changed my post. you know that is against site rules. Complete sentences they say. Not truncate the sentence and put in a full stop.

You are a dickhead....You do it to everyone....Another nothing distraction....Anything to avoid debate!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:04pm:

You do it to everyone..

Nope I put in complete sentences. If you have proof of anything show it.


philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:04pm:

Anything to avoid debate!!!

Oh dear, I already answered.

At  4.51 according to my time.

Keep digging petal. ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 7:04pm: You do it to everyone.. Nope I put in complete sentences. If you have proof of anything show it.

So it is against forum rules to put in a full stop but it is ok to delete whole sentences....You are a dickhead!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:23pm:

So it is against forum rules to put in a full stop but it is ok to delete whole sentences.

That's the forum rules petal. Don't like them complain to the management. ;D ;D ;D

But I don't delete whole sentences. I omit them, as in I don't include them. They are still part of YOUR post.

If you think I have mod privileges you are wrong.

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:31pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 7:23pm: So it is against forum rules to put in a full stop but it is ok to delete whole sentences. That's the forum rules petal. Don't like them complain to the management. ;D ;D ;D But I don't delete whole sentences. I omit them, as in I don't include them. They are still part of YOUR post. If you think I have mod privileges you are wrong.

You are a dickhead....A complete waste of time!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:36pm:

You are a dickhead....A complete waste of time!!!

Poor phil can't enunciate an argument clearly and concisely and so it is my fault.

never mind petal. One day you might understand the meaning of words.

They might bring in the whiteboard in the court for her to use.

I wonder who paid for her air fare to Melbourne?