Is the Labor party a communist party?
This means that the state owns your home.
It's a pure communist idea.


https://gab.com/media/image/bq-5c5eba2b1a1d4.jpeg


The photo appeared above on a website.
It's from the West Australian newspaper.
https://www.pressreader.com/


The Govt. is broke.
We will owe $1 trillion within 18 months of Labor coming to power.
We already owe $681 billion.
http://www.australiandebtclock.com.au/

They are desperate to get money from anywhere they can -
even robbery is OK by them.

My repeatedly stated position is that everything you own after buying out of after-tax income is yours alone, and not the property of the state in any way - EVER!

Such a position is totally unacceptable.. however - Chris Bowen said that Labor was NOT considering death taxes.  Take that as you wish................................ if their lips are moving.... you know the rest.....

Could suddenly be a 'budget emergency' sort of like a 'sexual emergency' .....

Someone posted this on a website:

Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment.
They don't want Australians to be able to have passed on the carefuly accumulated wealth of previous generations, instead each individual Aussie must compete as a blank slate in unfair 'marketplace' warfare against hoards of invaders that most certainly work as a team.
The death duties will be levied on Aussies that might be 'property rich' with just one house in a suburb of Sydney or Melbourne because of the ridiculous appreciation in the price of domestic property. These properties will be sold off to pay the death duties to ZOG, forever banishing Aussies from these suburbs, and perhaps barring low paid, working class Aussies from even being able to own property at all.
Who is running these unions?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:36pm:

My repeatedly stated position is that everything you own after buying out of after-tax income is yours alone, and not the property of the state in any way - EVER! Such a position is totally unacceptable.. however - Chris Bowen said that Labor was NOT considering death taxes.  Take that as you wish................................ if their lips are moving.... you know the rest..... Could suddenly be a 'budget emergency' sort of like a 'sexual emergency' .....

The state owns you -
it owns your body and all your property.
Consider yourself lucky that they don't take 100% of a family home when the owner dies.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:37pm:

Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. They don't want Australians to be able to have passed on the carefuly accumulated wealth of previous generations, instead each individual Aussie must compete as a blank slate in unfair 'marketplace' warfare against hoards of invaders that most certainly work as a team. The death duties will be levied on Aussies that might be 'property rich' with just one house in a suburb of Sydney or Melbourne because of the ridiculous appreciation in the price of domestic property. These properties will be sold off to pay the death duties to ZOG, forever banishing Aussies from these suburbs, and perhaps barring low paid, working class Aussies from even being able to own property at all. Who is running these unions?

Pretty fair summation................

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. They don't want Australians to be able to have passed on the carefuly accumulated wealth of previous generations, instead each individual Aussie must compete as a blank slate in unfair 'marketplace' warfare against hoards of invaders that most certainly work as a team. The death duties will be levied on Aussies that might be 'property rich' with just one house in a suburb of Sydney or Melbourne because of the ridiculous appreciation in the price of domestic property. These properties will be sold off to pay the death duties to ZOG, forever banishing Aussies from these suburbs, and perhaps barring low paid, working class Aussies from even being able to own property at all. Who is running these unions? Pretty fair summation................

Things are going to change under Labor.
It's inevitable that they will win.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:38pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:36pm: My repeatedly stated position is that everything you own after buying out of after-tax income is yours alone, and not the property of the state in any way - EVER! Such a position is totally unacceptable.. however - Chris Bowen said that Labor was NOT considering death taxes.  Take that as you wish................................ if their lips are moving.... you know the rest..... Could suddenly be a 'budget emergency' sort of like a 'sexual emergency' ..... The state owns you - it owns your body and all your property. Consider yourself lucky that they don't take 100% of a family home when the owner dies.

Tht's why I'm here, as leader of her majesty's true and only genuine loyal opposition and as leader of the revolution via educating .... you think I make jokes and am frivolous or off beam... your subconscious picks up the meaning even if your trained mind does not...

"Labor wants death taxes" is a misleading subject title.

A more accurate summation: "ACTU wants death taxes".

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What does the ACTU have to do with it ?

Bam wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:03pm:

"Labor wants death taxes" is a misleading subject title. A more accurate summation: "ACTU wants death taxes".

Don't expect Labor to announce this during the election campaign.

We'll be told about it when they win.

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I don't get it
The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians?

Trade unions?

Have they branched out ?

Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions?

Shorten?  Explain please?

PZ547 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions?

You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament?

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:08pm: I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions? You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament?

Not sure if my comment would fall under sarcasm or humour -- never mind

The question remains however.  What the hell are trade unions doing calling for death tax?  Or, duh, have trade unions become amalgamated with parliament and we weren't informed? 

Did someone here forget that the Labor Party is based on the Union Movement?

The ACTU has called on Bill Shorten to introduce this tax ...

PZ547 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:29pm:

lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:22pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:08pm: I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions? You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament? Not sure if my comment would fall under sarcasm or humour -- never mind The question remains however.  What the hell are trade unions doing calling for death tax?  Or, duh, have trade unions become amalgamated with parliament and we weren't informed?

What more evidence do we need that the trade unions are run by communists?

PZ547 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:29pm:

lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:22pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:08pm: I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions? You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament? Quote: Not sure if my comment would fall under sarcasm or humour -- never mind There is another possibility....sheer ignorance. [quote]The question remains however.  What the hell are trade unions doing calling for death tax?

They can call for what they like, just like any other person or organisation can.  That okay but you? 


Quote:

Or, duh, have trade unions become amalgamated with parliament and we weren't informed?

No, but it is well known and acknowledged that the Unions are part of ALP structure, and as such, have a capacity to contribute at ALP annual Meetings.  "Death taxes" are not part of ALP Policy and I doubt they ever will be.

We had them years ago, it was seen as a rip off (as Grappler has so simply explained) and it was terminated.

It seems we 'inherited' the notion of death taxes from our Pommie colonial days, and it was not until Qld, then led by Joe the Jerk, began a rollback of it until it was ultimately turfed in the early 1980's.

Funnily enough, it was Morrison who first ruminated about a reintroduction in 2015.

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Doubt Aussies will take a bar of the ACTU sticking its oar in

Next: Morrison floated it.  Didn't have time to implement it.  Labor picks it up.  It's what they do.  One stinking sewer of a party pretending to be two opposing parties

How about ACTU steps beyond its bounds some more and tells Aussies that its going to put a halt to politicians' perks and pensions and also reduce their salaries to the basic wage?

nice.  I'll buy the ACTU a latte if they start using their non-too-impressive clout for good

until then, tell the ACTU to shut its trap

Aussie,

Quote:

Funnily enough, it was Morrison who first ruminated about a reintroduction in 2015.

ohh - so was a Liberal idea!

Thanks Aussie for clarifying it.

PZ547 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:02pm:

. Doubt Aussies will take a bar of the ACTU sticking its oar in Next: Morrison floated it.  Didn't have time to implement it.  Labor picks it up.  It's what they do.  One stinking sewer of a party pretending to be two opposing parties How about ACTU steps beyond its bounds some more and tells Aussies that its going to put a halt to politicians' perks and pensions and also reduce their salaries to the basic wage? nice.  I'll buy the ACTU a latte if they start using their non-too-impressive clout for good until then, tell the ACTU to shut its trap

Why...they are an integral part of the Labor Party...and its structure.  All quite open....no secret.  Unlike the big end of town supporters of the Libs who hide in the shadows and behind curtains.  You will see as soon as we get a Federal ICAC.

Aussie wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:11pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:02pm: . Doubt Aussies will take a bar of the ACTU sticking its oar in Next: Morrison floated it.  Didn't have time to implement it.  Labor picks it up.  It's what they do.  One stinking sewer of a party pretending to be two opposing parties How about ACTU steps beyond its bounds some more and tells Aussies that its going to put a halt to politicians' perks and pensions and also reduce their salaries to the basic wage? nice.  I'll buy the ACTU a latte if they start using their non-too-impressive clout for good until then, tell the ACTU to shut its trap Why...they are an integral part of the Labor Party...and its structure.  All quite open....no secret.  Unlike the big end of town supporters of the Libs who hide in the shadows and behind curtains.  You will see as soon as we get a Federal ICAC.

Hi Aussie,
do you think Shorten will be honest and
tell us about his death tax policy during the election campaign?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:38pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:29pm: lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:22pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:08pm: I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions? You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament? Not sure if my comment would fall under sarcasm or humour -- never mind The question remains however.  What the hell are trade unions doing calling for death tax?  Or, duh, have trade unions become amalgamated with parliament and we weren't informed?  What more evidence do we need that the trade unions are run by communists?

Actually Bobby, they are "Democratic Socialists" to be precise.  ;)

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:38pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:29pm: lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:22pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:08pm: I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions? You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament? Not sure if my comment would fall under sarcasm or humour -- never mind The question remains however.  What the hell are trade unions doing calling for death tax?  Or, duh, have trade unions become amalgamated with parliament and we weren't informed?  What more evidence do we need that the trade unions are run by communists? Actually Bobby, they are "Democratic Socialists" to be precise.  ;)

Read between the lines of Aussie's post and it seems like that
no matter who wins we'll have death taxes.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:38pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:29pm: lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:22pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:08pm: I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions? You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament? Not sure if my comment would fall under sarcasm or humour -- never mind The question remains however.  What the hell are trade unions doing calling for death tax?  Or, duh, have trade unions become amalgamated with parliament and we weren't informed?  What more evidence do we need that the trade unions are run by communists? Actually Bobby, they are "Democratic Socialists" to be precise.  ;) Read between the lines of Aussie's post and it seems like that no matter who wins we'll have death taxes.

and they're hinting at land tax
now the stamp-duty rort is collapsing along with property prices

maybe we need NEW government and LNP and its twin Labor get put down

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:11pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:02pm: . Doubt Aussies will take a bar of the ACTU sticking its oar in Next: Morrison floated it.  Didn't have time to implement it.  Labor picks it up.  It's what they do.  One stinking sewer of a party pretending to be two opposing parties How about ACTU steps beyond its bounds some more and tells Aussies that its going to put a halt to politicians' perks and pensions and also reduce their salaries to the basic wage? nice.  I'll buy the ACTU a latte if they start using their non-too-impressive clout for good until then, tell the ACTU to shut its trap Why...they are an integral part of the Labor Party...and its structure.  All quite open....no secret.  Unlike the big end of town supporters of the Libs who hide in the shadows and behind curtains.  You will see as soon as we get a Federal ICAC. Hi Aussie, do you think Shorten will be honest and tell us about his death tax policy during the election campaign?

FMD Bobby...can't you read????? ALP Policy is set at their annual meetings.  Their last was in December 2018.  No death tax became part of ALP Policy, so ....NO.....it will not emerge before the next election.

PZ547 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:29pm:

Not sure if my comment would fall under sarcasm or humour -- never mind

Sorry. I have the same problem which is why I tend to use a  /sarc tag at the end. :-[

Not sure that Labor will win the next Fed election, we could end up like Venezuela - who wants that?

Quote:

and they're hinting at land tax

Land Tax has been in existence for decades, ferfuxsake.  Where are  you dreaming this crap up from?

Aussie wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:13pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:11pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:02pm: . Doubt Aussies will take a bar of the ACTU sticking its oar in Next: Morrison floated it.  Didn't have time to implement it.  Labor picks it up.  It's what they do.  One stinking sewer of a party pretending to be two opposing parties How about ACTU steps beyond its bounds some more and tells Aussies that its going to put a halt to politicians' perks and pensions and also reduce their salaries to the basic wage? nice.  I'll buy the ACTU a latte if they start using their non-too-impressive clout for good until then, tell the ACTU to shut its trap Why...they are an integral part of the Labor Party...and its structure.  All quite open....no secret.  Unlike the big end of town supporters of the Libs who hide in the shadows and behind curtains.  You will see as soon as we get a Federal ICAC. Hi Aussie, do you think Shorten will be honest and tell us about his death tax policy during the election campaign? FMD Bobby...can't you read????? ALP Policy is set at their annual meetings.  Their last was in December 2018.  No death tax became part of ALP Policy, so ....NO.....it will not emerge before the next election.

Yes - only after Bill wins.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:13pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:11pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:02pm: . Doubt Aussies will take a bar of the ACTU sticking its oar in Next: Morrison floated it.  Didn't have time to implement it.  Labor picks it up.  It's what they do.  One stinking sewer of a party pretending to be two opposing parties How about ACTU steps beyond its bounds some more and tells Aussies that its going to put a halt to politicians' perks and pensions and also reduce their salaries to the basic wage? nice.  I'll buy the ACTU a latte if they start using their non-too-impressive clout for good until then, tell the ACTU to shut its trap Why...they are an integral part of the Labor Party...and its structure.  All quite open....no secret.  Unlike the big end of town supporters of the Libs who hide in the shadows and behind curtains.  You will see as soon as we get a Federal ICAC. Hi Aussie, do you think Shorten will be honest and tell us about his death tax policy during the election campaign? FMD Bobby...can't you read????? ALP Policy is set at their annual meetings.  Their last was in December 2018.  No death tax became part of ALP Policy, so ....NO.....it will not emerge before the next election. Yes - only after Bill wins.

Scare mongering crap, Bobby.  How desperate are you Libs these days?  Huh...just dream up any old demon and say that the ALP will support it.

Next you'll be telling us that the ALP want to see people drowning at sea with an armada of boats heading our way.

Oh...hang on...that tale is already being told.

Aussie wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

Quote: and they're hinting at land tax Land Tax has been in existence for decades, ferfuxsake.  Where are  you dreaming this crap up from?

On PPOR?

Aussie wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:31pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:13pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:11pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:02pm: . Doubt Aussies will take a bar of the ACTU sticking its oar in Next: Morrison floated it.  Didn't have time to implement it.  Labor picks it up.  It's what they do.  One stinking sewer of a party pretending to be two opposing parties How about ACTU steps beyond its bounds some more and tells Aussies that its going to put a halt to politicians' perks and pensions and also reduce their salaries to the basic wage? nice.  I'll buy the ACTU a latte if they start using their non-too-impressive clout for good until then, tell the ACTU to shut its trap Why...they are an integral part of the Labor Party...and its structure.  All quite open....no secret.  Unlike the big end of town supporters of the Libs who hide in the shadows and behind curtains.  You will see as soon as we get a Federal ICAC. Hi Aussie, do you think Shorten will be honest and tell us about his death tax policy during the election campaign? FMD Bobby...can't you read????? ALP Policy is set at their annual meetings.  Their last was in December 2018.  No death tax became part of ALP Policy, so ....NO.....it will not emerge before the next election. Yes - only after Bill wins. Scare mongering crap, Bobby.  How desperate are you Libs these days?  Huh...just dream up any old demon and say that the ALP will support it. Next you'll be telling us that the ALP want to see people drowning at sea with an armada of boats heading our way. Oh...hang on...that tale is already being told.

I am neither a Labor nor Liberal voter.
I know they're both dishonest parties.

I would rather vote for the mickey mouse party.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:38pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:29pm: lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:22pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:08pm: I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions? You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament? Not sure if my comment would fall under sarcasm or humour -- never mind The question remains however.  What the hell are trade unions doing calling for death tax?  Or, duh, have trade unions become amalgamated with parliament and we weren't informed?  What more evidence do we need that the trade unions are run by communists? Actually Bobby, they are "Democratic Socialists" to be precise.  ;) Read between the lines of Aussie's post and it seems like that no matter who wins we'll have death taxes.

Nothing surer than death and taxes.  ;D


BTW ...

I had this "argument" with a Labor Party member once about Labor being "Democratic Socialists" ... he was adamant that they were not, until I quoted the labor party national Constitution to him:

PART B – OBJECTIVES AND PRINCIPLES

Origins

3 The Australian Labor Party had its origins in:

(a) the aspirations of the Australian people for a decent, secure, dignified and
constructive way of life;

(b) the recognition by the trade union movement of the necessity for a political voice
to take forward the struggle of the working class against the excesses, injustices
and inequalities of capitalism; and

(c) the commitment by the Australian people to the creation of an independent, free
and enlightened Australia.

Objectives

4 The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the
democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the
extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields.

5 To achieve the political and social values of equality, democracy, liberty and social cooperation
inherent in this objective, the Australian Labor Party stands for:

(a) redistribution of political and economic power so that all members of society have
the opportunity to participate in the shaping and control of the institutions and
relationships which determine their lives;

(b) establishment and development of public enterprises, based upon federal, state
and other forms of social ownership, in appropriate sectors of the economy;

(c) democratic control and strategic social ownership of Australian natural resources
for the benefit of all Australians;

(d) maintenance of and support for a competitive non-monopolistic private sector,
including small business and farming, controlled and owned by Australians,
operating within clear social guidelines and objectives;

(e) the right to own private property;

(f) recognition and encouragement of the right of labour to organise for the
protection and advancement of its interests;

(g) the application of democracy in industry to increase the opportunities for people
to work in satisfying, healthy and humane conditions; and to participate in and to
increase their control over the decision making processes affecting them;

(h) the promotion of socially appropriate technology and the monitoring of its
introduction to ensure that the needs and interests of labour, as well as the
requirements of competitive industry and consumer demand, are taken into
consideration;

(i) the restoration and maintenance of full employment;

(j) the abolition of poverty, and the achievement of greater equality in the
distribution of income, wealth and opportunity;


(k) social justice and equality for individuals, the family and all social units, and the
elimination of exploitation in the home;

(l) equal access and rights to employment, education, information, technology,
housing, health and welfare services, cultural and leisure activities and the law;

(m) reform of the Australian Constitution and other political institutions to ensure that
they reflect the will of the majority of Australian citizens and the existence of
Australia as an independent republic;

(n) recognition and protection of fundamental political and civil rights, including
freedom of expression, the press, assembly, association, conscience and religion;
the right to privacy; the protection of the individual from oppression by the state;
and democratic reform of the Australian legal system;

...

https://cdn.australianlabor.com.au/documents/ALP_National_Constitution.pdf

Nemo,
don't try and masquerade the Labor party as having lofty goals.
They just want your money.

From another forum - someone wrote:

If Shorten gets in he will introduce this as soon as he can and unlike France say what you will about the French , their will be no Yellow Vest movement here we have reached the tipping point where there will be enough Multiculturalists, Muslims, Refugees and Marxists on the public purse who will fully support it.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:48pm:

Nemo, don't try and masquerade the Labor party as having lofty goals. They just want your money.

Lofty goals?

LOL

They are populated by vipers and arseholes.  ;D

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 4:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:48pm: Nemo, don't try and masquerade the Labor party as having lofty goals. They just want your money. Lofty goals? LOL They are populated by vipers and arseholes.  ;D

No way - Big Brother cares about you.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:37pm:

Someone posted this on a website:

probably some idiot who like you doesn't know the difference between the ACTU and the labor party

Looks like an original picture of fake news ?

The start of the scare campaigns for 2019

Dnarever wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:15pm:

Looks like an original picture of fake news ? The start of the scare campaigns for 2019

start? it started ages ago. They were crying the boats would start again under labor the week after they won office  :D :D :D

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 3:41pm:

I am neither a Labor nor Liberal voter. I know they're both dishonest parties. I would rather vote for the mickey mouse party.

There will never be a cheese tax.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:05pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:03pm: "Labor wants death taxes" is a misleading subject title. A more accurate summation: "ACTU wants death taxes". Don't expect Labor to announce this during the election campaign. We'll be told about it when they win.

seems like you have learnt something along the way bobby..

remember

THE CARBON TAX WE WOULD NEVER HAVE... ;D ;D ;D


ooops not forgetting krudd telling us he has too

MUCH INTEGRITY TO EVER CHALLENGE AGAIN>>


;D ;D ;D.. memories.

cods wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:05pm: Bam wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:03pm: "Labor wants death taxes" is a misleading subject title. A more accurate summation: "ACTU wants death taxes". Don't expect Labor to announce this during the election campaign. We'll be told about it when they win. seems like you have learnt something along the way bobby.. remember THE CARBON TAX WE WOULD NEVER HAVE... ;D ;D ;D ooops not forgetting krudd telling us he has too MUCH INTEGRITY TO EVER CHALLENGE AGAIN>> ;D ;D ;D.. memories.

Hi Cods,
I feel sorry for all those people out there who could never afford to buy
a house and were hoping to move into their parents family home
when their parents passed away.
Now they'll have to sell that family home to pay the taxes.
Some Chinese investor will probably buy it and charge them exorbitant rent
to move back in.

Labor have said nothing about this.

It is a pure scare campaign - won't happen - 1,000,000,000 : 1

Dnarever wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:52pm:

Labor have said nothing about this. It is a pure scare campaign - won't happen - 1,000,000,000 : 1

Alright - I trust Bill Shorten too.  :-[

What did Labor say about the tax policy proposed by the ACTU???


Quote:

Asked if Labor would consider an inheritance tax, Mr Shorten referred the question to shadow treasurer Chris Bowen, whose spokesman said: “Labor has no plans for an inheritance tax.”

::) ::) ::)

https://outline.com/VmgvcS

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:58pm:

What did Labor say about the tax policy proposed by the ACTU??? Quote: Asked if Labor would consider an inheritance tax, Mr Shorten referred the question to shadow treasurer Chris Bowen, whose spokesman said: “Labor has no plans for an inheritance tax.” ::) ::) ::) https://outline.com/VmgvcS

I want it engraved in granite on a stone in front of parliament saying:

Labor will NEVER introduce a death tax.

never ever - it's a core promise - as Howard would say or

There wll be no carbon tax under a Govt. I lead -
thanks JuLiar.

Or there will be not cuts to the SBS or the ABC - thanks Tony.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 5:58pm: What did Labor say about the tax policy proposed by the ACTU??? Quote: Asked if Labor would consider an inheritance tax, Mr Shorten referred the question to shadow treasurer Chris Bowen, whose spokesman said: “Labor has no plans for an inheritance tax.” ::) ::) ::) https://outline.com/VmgvcS I want it engraved in granite on a stone in front of parliament saying: Labor will NEVER introduce a death tax. never ever - it's a core promise - as Howard would say or There wll be no carbon tax under a Govt. I lead - thanks JuLiar. Or there will be not cuts to the SBS or the ABC - thanks Tony.

Yes, Hayseed could always be relied upon, no doubt about it.  Yay Hayseed, the honest politician or is that 'lying rodent?'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuST6EbDpQ

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:03pm:

I want it engraved in granite on a stone in front of parliament saying:

I'll engrave it on your tombstone for you.

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:03pm: I want it engraved in granite on a stone in front of parliament saying: I'll engrave it on your tombstone for you.

That's a very dark thought John,

forgiven

namaste

Aussie wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:03pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 5:58pm: What did Labor say about the tax policy proposed by the ACTU??? Quote: Asked if Labor would consider an inheritance tax, Mr Shorten referred the question to shadow treasurer Chris Bowen, whose spokesman said: “Labor has no plans for an inheritance tax.” ::) ::) ::) https://outline.com/VmgvcS I want it engraved in granite on a stone in front of parliament saying: Labor will NEVER introduce a death tax. never ever - it's a core promise - as Howard would say or There wll be no carbon tax under a Govt. I lead - thanks JuLiar. Or there will be not cuts to the SBS or the ABC - thanks Tony. Yes, Hayseed could always be relied upon, no doubt about it.  Yay Hayseed, the honest politician or is that 'lying rodent?' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuST6EbDpQ

Good one Aussie - now for JuLiar -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 5:58pm: What did Labor say about the tax policy proposed by the ACTU??? Quote: Asked if Labor would consider an inheritance tax, Mr Shorten referred the question to shadow treasurer Chris Bowen, whose spokesman said: “Labor has no plans for an inheritance tax.” ::) ::) ::) https://outline.com/VmgvcS I want it engraved in granite on a stone in front of parliament saying: Labor will NEVER introduce a death tax. never ever - it's a core promise - as Howard would say or There wll be no carbon tax under a Govt. I lead - thanks JuLiar. Or there will be not cuts to the SBS or the ABC - thanks Tony.

Right or wrong Labor have released their policies well in advance of the election and been up front despite the criticism....So far as they keep denying it is policy I see no reason to doubt that this is nothing more than noise from the ACTU....The death tax is dead in Australia!!!

:) :) :)

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:37pm:

Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. They don't want Australians to be able to have passed on the carefuly accumulated wealth of previous generations, instead each individual Aussie must compete as a blank slate in unfair 'marketplace' warfare against hoards of invaders that most certainly work as a team. The death duties will be levied on Aussies that might be 'property rich' with just one house in a suburb of Sydney or Melbourne because of the ridiculous appreciation in the price of domestic property. These properties will be sold off to pay the death duties to ZOG, forever banishing Aussies from these suburbs, and perhaps barring low paid, working class Aussies from even being able to own property at all. Who is running these unions?

Not saying I agree with the proposal but what I highlighted is wrong. It's not taxes on the dead people, it's taxes on the people that inherit who are alive and well. The dead guy cannot be punished in any way shape or form, he's dead, extinct, and ex-person.

Another Lib Fib.  It will get lost over the other fibs though.

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. They don't want Australians to be able to have passed on the carefuly accumulated wealth of previous generations, instead each individual Aussie must compete as a blank slate in unfair 'marketplace' warfare against hoards of invaders that most certainly work as a team. The death duties will be levied on Aussies that might be 'property rich' with just one house in a suburb of Sydney or Melbourne because of the ridiculous appreciation in the price of domestic property. These properties will be sold off to pay the death duties to ZOG, forever banishing Aussies from these suburbs, and perhaps barring low paid, working class Aussies from even being able to own property at all. Who is running these unions? Not saying I agree with the proposal but what I highlighted is wrong. It's not taxes on the dead people, it's taxes on the people that inherit who are alive and well. The dead guy cannot be punished in any way shape or form, he's dead, extinct, and ex-person.

True - but still he has a point.
Tax was already paid on earnings to buy that house.
Why should it be taxed again?
It could mean that the family home will need to be sold to pay the tax.

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:03pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 5:58pm: What did Labor say about the tax policy proposed by the ACTU??? Quote: Asked if Labor would consider an inheritance tax, Mr Shorten referred the question to shadow treasurer Chris Bowen, whose spokesman said: “Labor has no plans for an inheritance tax.” ::) ::) ::) https://outline.com/VmgvcS I want it engraved in granite on a stone in front of parliament saying: Labor will NEVER introduce a death tax. never ever - it's a core promise - as Howard would say or There wll be no carbon tax under a Govt. I lead - thanks JuLiar. Or there will be not cuts to the SBS or the ABC - thanks Tony. Right or wrong Labor have released their policies well in advance of the election and been up front despite the criticism....So far as they keep denying it is policy I see no reason to doubt that this is nothing more than noise from the ACTU....The death tax is dead in Australia!!! :) :) :)

I trust Bill Shorten too.   :-[

I'm OK with an inheritance/death tax as long as the threshold is set at above 5 million then scaled up slowly.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. They don't want Australians to be able to have passed on the carefuly accumulated wealth of previous generations, instead each individual Aussie must compete as a blank slate in unfair 'marketplace' warfare against hoards of invaders that most certainly work as a team. The death duties will be levied on Aussies that might be 'property rich' with just one house in a suburb of Sydney or Melbourne because of the ridiculous appreciation in the price of domestic property. These properties will be sold off to pay the death duties to ZOG, forever banishing Aussies from these suburbs, and perhaps barring low paid, working class Aussies from even being able to own property at all. Who is running these unions? Not saying I agree with the proposal but what I highlighted is wrong. It's not taxes on the dead people, it's taxes on the people that inherit who are alive and well. The dead guy cannot be punished in any way shape or form, he's dead, extinct, and ex-person. True - but still he has a point. Tax was already paid on earnings to buy that house. Why should it be taxed again? It could mean that the family home will need to be sold to pay the tax.

Does he? Are you taxed on gifts of large amounts of money that has already been taxed?


Quote:

rewards or small gifts such as cash birthday presents (however, gifts may be taxable if they are large amounts https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/income-and-deductions/income-you-must-declare/amounts-not-included-as-income/

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:54pm:

Quote: rewards or small gifts such as cash birthday presents (however, gifts may be taxable if they are large amounts https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/income-and-deductions/income-you-must-declare...

" I have spoken to the ATO about this on several occasions and the verbal advice I have received is the same; there is no tax on gifts in Australia. Giving away money is not a taxable event for the recipient. However, if the person giving the monetary gift sells an asset, e.g. investment property, share portfolio, etc., then that event may give rise to a capital gains tax, but the act of giving itself is not taxable."

https://alignfinancial.com.au/2018/06/06/are-gifts-taxable/

It could possibly be a legacy portion of legislation from long ago.

The highlighted part would impact the giver's tax obligations.

Labor's policy platform is sensible and clearly articulated,  where as the libs are just offering the same chaos and dysfunction,  no wonder they're getting the smashing of all smashings  shortly

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:03pm: I want it engraved in granite on a stone in front of parliament saying: I'll engrave it on your tombstone for you. That's a very dark thought John, forgiven namaste

I was being positive.  :D

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:41pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. They don't want Australians to be able to have passed on the carefuly accumulated wealth of previous generations, instead each individual Aussie must compete as a blank slate in unfair 'marketplace' warfare against hoards of invaders that most certainly work as a team. The death duties will be levied on Aussies that might be 'property rich' with just one house in a suburb of Sydney or Melbourne because of the ridiculous appreciation in the price of domestic property. These properties will be sold off to pay the death duties to ZOG, forever banishing Aussies from these suburbs, and perhaps barring low paid, working class Aussies from even being able to own property at all. Who is running these unions? Not saying I agree with the proposal but what I highlighted is wrong. It's not taxes on the dead people, it's taxes on the people that inherit who are alive and well. The dead guy cannot be punished in any way shape or form, he's dead, extinct, and ex-person. True - but still he has a point. Tax was already paid on earnings to buy that house. Why should it be taxed again? It could mean that the family home will need to be sold to pay the tax. Does he? Are you taxed on gifts of large amounts of money that has already been taxed? Quote: rewards or small gifts such as cash birthday presents (however, gifts may be taxable if they are large amounts https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/income-and-deductions/income-you-must-declare/amounts-not-included-as-income/

Yes the tax department is ruthless at getting tax -
even for gifts.

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 7:10pm:

" I have spoken to the ATO about this on several occasions and the verbal advice I have received is the same; there is no tax on gifts in Australia.

bullshit. Try giving your house to a relative and see how long it takes govco to come for their stamp duty (a tax).

https://www.ato.gov.au/general/capital-gains-tax/deceased-estates-and-inheritances/


Deceased estates and inheritances

Generally capital gains tax (CGT) doesn't apply when you inherit an asset. However, it may apply when you later sell or otherwise dispose of the asset.

If you sell an inherited dwelling, there are special rules – for example, the main residence exemption may apply in part or full.

Unless the asset you inherit is fully exempt, you'll need to know the cost base of the asset to work out your capital gain when you sell it. The cost base may be based on the value of the asset when the deceased acquired it or the value when they died, depending on the circumstances.

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 7:25pm:

bullshit. Try giving your house to a relative and see how long it takes govco to come for their stamp duty (a tax).

Oh dear. Confusing a federal taxing entity (ATO) with a state tax (stamp duty).

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 7:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:25pm: bullshit. Try giving your house to a relative and see how long it takes govco to come for their stamp duty (a tax). Oh dear. Confusing a federal taxing entity (ATO) with a state tax (stamp duty).

taxes are taxes. You didn't say anything about federal or state when you said, and I quote, 'there is no tax on gifts in Australia'. You were WRONG.   :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

taxes are taxes. You didn't say anything about federal or state when you said, and I quote, 'there is no tax on gifts in Australia'. You were WRONG.

perhaps you can give the exact quote? perhaps you confused me with someone else?

My first mention of tax was in reply to Setanta who linked to the ato.-

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:42pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:36pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:03pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 5:58pm: What did Labor say about the tax policy proposed by the ACTU??? [quote]Asked if Labor would consider an inheritance tax, Mr Shorten referred the question to shadow treasurer Chris Bowen, whose spokesman said: “Labor has no plans for an inheritance tax.” ::) ::) ::) https://outline.com/VmgvcS I want it engraved in granite on a stone in front of parliament saying: Labor will NEVER introduce a death tax. never ever - it's a core promise - as Howard would say or There wll be no carbon tax under a Govt. I lead - thanks JuLiar. Or there will be not cuts to the SBS or the ABC - thanks Tony. Right or wrong Labor have released their policies well in advance of the election and been up front despite the criticism....So far as they keep denying it is policy I see no reason to doubt that this is nothing more than noise from the ACTU....The death tax is dead in Australia!!! :) :) :)

I trust Bill Shorten too.   :-[/quote]

Labor have opposed death taxes for well over 50 years - nothing has changed.

In the very near future, you will hear about an action being taken by a mob of Qld Taxi Licence Owners against the Qld Government.  There is also a parallel action against Uber.

There are suggestions that if there is a win on the capital loss of my Licence, the compensation for a capital loss is taxable as income.

Far cough.

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

You didn't say anything about federal or state when you said, and I quote, 'there is no tax on gifts in Australia'. You were WRONG.

Oh you must mean a part of a quote I gave. It is a pity you didn't include the whole sentence.

"I have spoken to the ATO about this on several occasions and the verbal advice I have received is the same; there is no tax on gifts in Australia."

Now exactly why the ATO would give any guidance on stamp duty in the states is beyond me. And probably most.

Aussie wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

In the very near future, you will hear about an action being taken by a mob of Qld Taxi Licence Owners against the Qld Government.  There is also a parallel action against Uber. There are suggestions that if there is a win on the capital loss of my Licence, the compensation for a capital loss is taxable as income. Far cough.

You'll be rich if you win Aussie.

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 7:25pm:

lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:10pm: " I have spoken to the ATO about this on several occasions and the verbal advice I have received is the same; there is no tax on gifts in Australia. bullshit. Try giving your house to a relative and see how long it takes govco to come for their stamp duty (a tax).

Or a $50,000 car and try and say it was a gift when you transfer ownership. "Sorry transfer fees on current market value..."

Aussie wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

In the very near future, you will hear about an action being taken by a mob of Qld Taxi Licence Owners against the Qld Government.  There is also a parallel action against Uber. There are suggestions that if there is a win on the capital loss of my Licence, the compensation for a capital loss is taxable as income. Far cough.

Taxis smell like a curried turd. That's why the licence price tanked.

Yuck

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 7:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:54pm: Quote: rewards or small gifts such as cash birthday presents (however, gifts may be taxable if they are large amounts https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/income-and-deductions/income-you-must-declare... " I have spoken to the ATO about this on several occasions and the verbal advice I have received is the same; there is no tax on gifts in Australia. Giving away money is not a taxable event for the recipient. However, if the person giving the monetary gift sells an asset, e.g. investment property, share portfolio, etc., then that event may give rise to a capital gains tax, but the act of giving itself is not taxable." https://alignfinancial.com.au/2018/06/06/are-gifts-taxable/ It could possibly be a legacy portion of legislation from long ago. The highlighted part would impact the giver's tax obligations.

I just quoted them. You saw the quote, I gave you the link.

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:35pm:

I just quoted them. You saw the quote, I gave you the link.

yep. And nowhere do they expand on that. Which is why I used the external reference.

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:25pm: lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:10pm: " I have spoken to the ATO about this on several occasions and the verbal advice I have received is the same; there is no tax on gifts in Australia. bullshit. Try giving your house to a relative and see how long it takes govco to come for their stamp duty (a tax). Or a $50,000 car and try and say it was a gift when you transfer ownership. "Sorry transfer fees on current market value..."

That is not a tax on a gift at all.  You can give a zillion dollars and it is not taxable in the hands of the beneficiary.

However, that you made said gift will impact adversely on you if you are then on a 'pension,' (unlikely) or, later, seek a 'pension.'

Geez, you blokes are armchair fuq wits.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 7:29pm:

https://www.ato.gov.au/general/capital-gains-tax/deceased-estates-and-inheritances/ Deceased estates and inheritances Generally capital gains tax (CGT) doesn't apply when you inherit an asset. However, it may apply when you later sell or otherwise dispose of the asset. If you sell an inherited dwelling, there are special rules – for example, the main residence exemption may apply in part or full. Unless the asset you inherit is fully exempt, you'll need to know the cost base of the asset to work out your capital gain when you sell it. The cost base may be based on the value of the asset when the deceased acquired it or the value when they died, depending on the circumstances.

Simple enough - exempt the family home only.... the rest are up for consideration.  If they are an income bearing asset, such as a rental, that needs to be looked at very carefully, and a binding decision made whether or not the transfer incurs CGT.  Shilly-shallying around the edges will only create bolt holes and confusion....

Aussie wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 9:31pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:25pm: lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 7:10pm: " I have spoken to the ATO about this on several occasions and the verbal advice I have received is the same; there is no tax on gifts in Australia. bullshit. Try giving your house to a relative and see how long it takes govco to come for their stamp duty (a tax). Or a $50,000 car and try and say it was a gift when you transfer ownership. "Sorry transfer fees on current market value..." That is not a tax on a gift at all.  You can give a zillion dollars and it is not taxable in the hands of the beneficiary. However, that you made said gift will impact adversely on you if you are then on a 'pension,' (unlikely) or, later, seek a 'pension.' Geez, you blokes are armchair fuq wits.

What is a transfer fee if it's not a tax. You cannot dodge it by putting $0 on the transfer. You were given something and you must pay tax to have it transferred into your name. Being on a pension will only give you free registration, you will still need to pay the other half we have here, the Green Slip, third party insurance. Transfer fee applies whether you are a pensioner or not.

You on the other hand don't even need an armchair to be a fuq wit.


Quote:

When you buy a new or used vehicle you may be required to pay stamp duty costs when you transfer the vehicle into your name. Stamp duty is calculated on the market value of the vehicle or the purchase price, whichever is higher. https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/check-motor-vehicle-stamp-duty

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:25pm:

Simple enough - exempt the family home only.... the rest are up for consideration.

So you would be happy for the $1.6m family home to be free of CGT once it has been passed to the heir/s, and when they on-sell?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. They don't want Australians to be able to have passed on the carefuly accumulated wealth of previous generations, instead each individual Aussie must compete as a blank slate in unfair 'marketplace' warfare against hoards of invaders that most certainly work as a team. The death duties will be levied on Aussies that might be 'property rich' with just one house in a suburb of Sydney or Melbourne because of the ridiculous appreciation in the price of domestic property. These properties will be sold off to pay the death duties to ZOG, forever banishing Aussies from these suburbs, and perhaps barring low paid, working class Aussies from even being able to own property at all. Who is running these unions? Pretty fair summation................

If true it is the fault of current retiree's.

You know all those "Self funded" who are now crying that taxpayer handout will stop(franking credits)
It would seem that Superannuation is now being used as an intergenerational wealth fund, where the principal cannot go down & they live off interest payments.
This is NOT the intention of superannuation, the intention of Super is to save whilst working then draw down on principal amount throughout your retirement.
If you live longer than expected you would then move to the aged pension, or if you die early then your remaining super goes to your estate.

But as we are seeing from Tim's taxpayer funded campaign these people believe their super nest egg must never be reduced.

Don't want Estate taxes?
USE YOUR smacking SUPER AS INTENDED >:(

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 2:55pm:

But as we are seeing from Tim's taxpayer funded campaign these people believe their super nest egg must never be reduced.

You mean the one that is concentrating on the lower income people? That Labor seems to have forgotten?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 2:55pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. They don't want Australians to be able to have passed on the carefuly accumulated wealth of previous generations, instead each individual Aussie must compete as a blank slate in unfair 'marketplace' warfare against hoards of invaders that most certainly work as a team. The death duties will be levied on Aussies that might be 'property rich' with just one house in a suburb of Sydney or Melbourne because of the ridiculous appreciation in the price of domestic property. These properties will be sold off to pay the death duties to ZOG, forever banishing Aussies from these suburbs, and perhaps barring low paid, working class Aussies from even being able to own property at all. Who is running these unions? Pretty fair summation................ If true it is the fault of current retiree's. You know all those "Self funded" who are now crying that taxpayer handout will stop(franking credits) It would seem that Superannuation is now being used as an intergenerational wealth fund, where the principal cannot go down & they live off interest payments. This is NOT the intention of superannuation, the intention of Super is to save whilst working then draw down on principal amount throughout your retirement. If you live longer than expected you would then move to the aged pension, or if you die early then your remaining super goes to your estate. But as we are seeing from Tim's taxpayer funded campaign these people believe their super nest egg must never be reduced. Don't want Estate taxes? USE YOUR smacking SUPER AS INTENDED >:(

Another fallacy.
Not many people can live off their super without drawing down the balance.

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:02pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 2:55pm: But as we are seeing from Tim's taxpayer funded campaign these people believe their super nest egg must never be reduced. You mean the one that is concentrating on the lower income people? That Labor seems to have forgotten?

Yeah

Let's not confuse lower income with tax strategies that minimize income.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Yeah Let's not confuse lower income with tax strategies that minimize income.

I agree. Why would Labor want to smash the poorer people with a bloody great sledgehammer designed to knock the richer ones down.

A "one size fits all" approach.

Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes....What is this bullshit all about???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:23pm:

Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes....What is this bullshit all about??? :-? :-? :-?

It's coming Phil - mark my words here on this thread!

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:23pm:

Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes...

And we trust Bill because he did his best for Cleanevent, Chiquita Mushrooms etc. /sarc

The fact the unions got more money/members and the workers lost was totally immaterial.

Bill is the one making the promises isn't he?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 2:55pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. They don't want Australians to be able to have passed on the carefuly accumulated wealth of previous generations, instead each individual Aussie must compete as a blank slate in unfair 'marketplace' warfare against hoards of invaders that most certainly work as a team. The death duties will be levied on Aussies that might be 'property rich' with just one house in a suburb of Sydney or Melbourne because of the ridiculous appreciation in the price of domestic property. These properties will be sold off to pay the death duties to ZOG, forever banishing Aussies from these suburbs, and perhaps barring low paid, working class Aussies from even being able to own property at all. Who is running these unions? Pretty fair summation................ If true it is the fault of current retiree's. You know all those "Self funded" who are now crying that taxpayer handout will stop(franking credits) It would seem that Superannuation is now being used as an intergenerational wealth fund, where the principal cannot go down & they live off interest payments. This is NOT the intention of superannuation, the intention of Super is to save whilst working then draw down on principal amount throughout your retirement. If you live longer than expected you would then move to the aged pension, or if you die early then your remaining super goes to your estate. But as we are seeing from Tim's taxpayer funded campaign these people believe their super nest egg must never be reduced. Don't want Estate taxes? USE YOUR smacking SUPER AS INTENDED >:(

Non dependant beneficiaries of super funds upon the death of the superannuant pay tax on the proceeds.

https://www.ato.gov.au/super/apra-regulated-funds/paying-benefits/paying-superannuation-death-benefits/

Substantial contributions would need to have been made in order to preserve the principal. Contributions above the cap ( $25000 ) do not receive the concessional rate. Incomes above $300,000 also have separate tax rates.

https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/super/growing-your-super/adding-to-your-super/tax-on-contributions/


The amount of ignorance on this topic is breathtaking. Bullshit Bill has all the punters convinced he's doing us all a big favour while at the same time putting his hands in your pocket.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:23pm: Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes....What is this bullshit all about??? :-? :-? :-? It's coming Phil - mark my words here on this thread!

I doubt it....Labor have said they will not introduce a death tax....Until you can point to a Labor policy that actually exists I call bullshit on you opinion!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:23pm: Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes....What is this bullshit all about??? :-? :-? :-? It's coming Phil - mark my words here on this thread! I doubt it....Labor have said they will not introduce a death tax....Until you can point to a Labor policy that actually exists I call bullshit on you opinion!!! ::) ::) ::)

Don't be naive ... as Peter Garrett said ...


Quote:

Opposition frontbencher Peter Garrett has thrown the Labor Party's election campaign into turmoil, saying Labor would change their policies once they were voted in to government.

Where's there smoke, there's fire.  ;)

Violet Crumble wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 4:33pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:52pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:23pm: Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes....What is this bullshit all about??? :-? :-? :-? It's coming Phil - mark my words here on this thread! I doubt it....Labor have said they will not introduce a death tax....Until you can point to a Labor policy that actually exists I call bullshit on you opinion!!! ::) ::) ::) Don't be naive ... as Peter Garrett said ... Quote: Opposition frontbencher Peter Garrett has thrown the Labor Party's election campaign into turmoil, saying Labor would change their policies once they were voted in to government. Where's there smoke, there's fire.  ;)

What seat is Garrett standing in ?

It was a stupid thing for him to say. Especially considering how little Liberal promises mean and how much better Labor are in this area.

lee wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 3:34pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:23pm: Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes... And we trust Bill because he did his best for Cleanevent, Chiquita Mushrooms etc. /sarc The fact the unions got more money/members and the workers lost was totally immaterial. Bill is the one making the promises isn't he?

Poor Phil -
doesn't he realise -
communists are hiding everywhere -
in unions, in the Labor Party and
even right here on Ozpolitic.

did you check under your bed goober?
:D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:17pm:

did you check under your bed goober? :D :D

Don't call me goober - you little pansy.

Show a bit of respect - I'm Bobby.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:17pm:

did you check under your bed goober?

Poor JS. Thinks he is a wit. Unfortunately he is only half right.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:14pm:

lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:23pm: Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes... And we trust Bill because he did his best for Cleanevent, Chiquita Mushrooms etc. /sarc The fact the unions got more money/members and the workers lost was totally immaterial. Bill is the one making the promises isn't he? Poor Phil - doesn't he realise - communists are hiding everywhere - in unions, in the Labor Party and even right here on Ozpolitic.

The last Communist to stand for election in Australia 2010 received about 600 votes 0.83% of the vote.

Anybody panicking about Communists in Australia has a bit of a problem. They are very very rare, most suburbs don't have even one of them.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:14pm: lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:23pm: Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes... And we trust Bill because he did his best for Cleanevent, Chiquita Mushrooms etc. /sarc The fact the unions got more money/members and the workers lost was totally immaterial. Bill is the one making the promises isn't he? Poor Phil - doesn't he realise - communists are hiding everywhere - in unions, in the Labor Party and even right here on Ozpolitic. The last Communist to stand for election in Australia 2010 received about 600 votes 0.83% of the vote. Anybody panicking about Communists in Australia has a bit of a problem. They are very very rare, most suburbs don't have even one of them.

This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family
home to pay a new tax.
It's about the loss of property under a communist ideology.

I know a family that will get ripped to pieces by this -
their father died and the 3 "children" could never get more
than a few part time jobs between them so
never managed to get on the property ladder.
That's where they live as adults with their aging mother.
If they have to sell the house when their mother dies
it will destroy them.
Thanks Labor.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:44pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:14pm: lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:23pm: Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes... And we trust Bill because he did his best for Cleanevent, Chiquita Mushrooms etc. /sarc The fact the unions got more money/members and the workers lost was totally immaterial. Bill is the one making the promises isn't he? Poor Phil - doesn't he realise - communists are hiding everywhere - in unions, in the Labor Party and even right here on Ozpolitic. The last Communist to stand for election in Australia 2010 received about 600 votes 0.83% of the vote. Anybody panicking about Communists in Australia has a bit of a problem. They are very very rare, most suburbs don't have even one of them. This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family home to pay a new tax. It's about the loss of property under a communist ideology.

No its about a load of BS that isn't going to happen. there isn't 0.83% Communists under your bed it is just another unfounded scare campaign.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:44pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:14pm: lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:23pm: Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes... And we trust Bill because he did his best for Cleanevent, Chiquita Mushrooms etc. /sarc The fact the unions got more money/members and the workers lost was totally immaterial. Bill is the one making the promises isn't he? Poor Phil - doesn't he realise - communists are hiding everywhere - in unions, in the Labor Party and even right here on Ozpolitic. The last Communist to stand for election in Australia 2010 received about 600 votes 0.83% of the vote. Anybody panicking about Communists in Australia has a bit of a problem. They are very very rare, most suburbs don't have even one of them. This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family home to pay a new tax. It's about the loss of property under a communist ideology. No its about a load of BS that isn't going to happen. there isn't 0.83% Communists under your bed it is just another unfounded scare campaign.

The unions are a major force behind the Labor policy.
In many ways the Labor party are puppets of the unions.

It's true that there has been a rise in part time jobs under the Tories
which is bad.
Battlers need full time jobs.

I don't like either major party -
none stand up for what I want.
They do their own thing -
have their own ideas about what's good for us.
They never ask us for what we want unless it's poofter marriage -
no voting referendum on immigration numbers etc.
( even though they could have easily made it part of the upcoming election )
They give us the illusion of choice but really - there is no choice.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:17pm: did you check under your bed goober? :D :D Don't call me goober - you little pansy. Show a bit of respect - I'm Bobby.

Goober

Chris Bowen said Labor was not considering death taxes... take that as you wish... after all - his lips WERE moving at the time....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:51pm:

Chris Bowen said Labor was not considering death taxes... take that as you wish... after all - his lips WERE moving at the time....

I am very cynical about politicians.
I just hope that there are enough independents to block any crazy legislation in the Senate -
especially if it's going to make battlers sell the family home to pay a robbery tax.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 2:13pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:51pm: Chris Bowen said Labor was not considering death taxes... take that as you wish... after all - his lips WERE moving at the time.... I am very cynical about politicians. I just hope that there are enough independents to block any crazy legislation in the Senate - especially if it's going to make battlers sell the family home to pay a robbery tax.

When it doesn't happen will you apologize for doing the politicians dirty work for them and hyping up bullshit....You are no better than those you condemn???

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 2:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:13pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:51pm: Chris Bowen said Labor was not considering death taxes... take that as you wish... after all - his lips WERE moving at the time.... I am very cynical about politicians. I just hope that there are enough independents to block any crazy legislation in the Senate - especially if it's going to make battlers sell the family home to pay a robbery tax. When it doesn't happen will you apologize for doing the politicians dirty work for them and hyping up bullshit....You are no better than those you condemn??? ::) ::) ::)

If it doesn't happen I will apologise.

You must apologise if does happen.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 2:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:13pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:51pm: Chris Bowen said Labor was not considering death taxes... take that as you wish... after all - his lips WERE moving at the time.... I am very cynical about politicians. I just hope that there are enough independents to block any crazy legislation in the Senate - especially if it's going to make battlers sell the family home to pay a robbery tax. When it doesn't happen will you apologize for doing the politicians dirty work for them and hyping up bullshit....You are no better than those you condemn??? ::) ::) ::) If it doesn't happen I will apologise. You must apologise if does happen.

bullshit. In a few years time you'll deny you ever said it. :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 2:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:17pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:13pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:51pm: Chris Bowen said Labor was not considering death taxes... take that as you wish... after all - his lips WERE moving at the time.... I am very cynical about politicians. I just hope that there are enough independents to block any crazy legislation in the Senate - especially if it's going to make battlers sell the family home to pay a robbery tax. When it doesn't happen will you apologize for doing the politicians dirty work for them and hyping up bullshit....You are no better than those you condemn??? ::) ::) ::) If it doesn't happen I will apologise. You must apologise if does happen. bullshit. In a few years time you'll deny you ever said it. :D :D

This thread will be here forever.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 2:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:17pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:13pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:51pm: Chris Bowen said Labor was not considering death taxes... take that as you wish... after all - his lips WERE moving at the time.... I am very cynical about politicians. I just hope that there are enough independents to block any crazy legislation in the Senate - especially if it's going to make battlers sell the family home to pay a robbery tax. When it doesn't happen will you apologize for doing the politicians dirty work for them and hyping up bullshit....You are no better than those you condemn??? ::) ::) ::) If it doesn't happen I will apologise. You must apologise if does happen. bullshit. In a few years time you'll deny you ever said it. :D :D This thread will be here forever.

but people aren't going to go back through years of threads just to prove you're a lying scumbag.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:44pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:14pm: lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 3:23pm: Labor has said it will not introduce death taxes... And we trust Bill because he did his best for Cleanevent, Chiquita Mushrooms etc. /sarc The fact the unions got more money/members and the workers lost was totally immaterial. Bill is the one making the promises isn't he? Poor Phil - doesn't he realise - communists are hiding everywhere - in unions, in the Labor Party and even right here on Ozpolitic. The last Communist to stand for election in Australia 2010 received about 600 votes 0.83% of the vote. Anybody panicking about Communists in Australia has a bit of a problem. They are very very rare, most suburbs don't have even one of them. This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family home to pay a new tax. It's about the loss of property under a communist ideology. No its about a load of BS that isn't going to happen. there isn't 0.83% Communists under your bed it is just another unfounded scare campaign. The unions are a major force behind the Labor policy. In many ways the Labor party are puppets of the unions. It's true that there has been a rise in part time jobs under the Tories which is bad. Battlers need full time jobs. I don't like either major party - none stand up for what I want. They do their own thing - have their own ideas about what's good for us. They never ask us for what we want unless it's poofter marriage - no voting referendum on immigration numbers etc. ( even though they could have easily made it part of the upcoming election ) They give us the illusion of choice but really - there is no choice.

Labor have been strongly opposed to death taxes for over 50 years. Nothing has changed.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:44pm:

This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family home to pay a new tax.

Why would they have to sell the family home?

theres no family home to sell since the govt took it when the old person went in a nursing facility

Spot

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:08pm: I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions? You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament?

The Parliamentarians are paid by the taxpayer, i.e. you and me.  It is OUR money they are wanting to piss up against the wall. Remember that.

White Dove wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:59pm:

lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:22pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:08pm: I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions? You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament? The Parliamentarians are paid by the taxpayer, i.e. you and me.  It is OUR money they are wanting to piss up against the wall. Remember that.

:-/

Pissed up against the wall - how?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 4:03pm:

White Dove wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 3:59pm: lee wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:22pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:08pm: I don't get it The Australian Council of Trade Unions wants to impose death taxes on all Australians? Trade unions? Have they branched out ? Is the Australian Tax Office a member of trade unions? You do understand the ATO only implements the laws passed by parliament? The Parliamentarians are paid by the taxpayer, i.e. you and me.  It is OUR money they are wanting to piss up against the wall. Remember that. :-/ Pissed up against the wall - how?

Depends on if it is the male or female employees ?

Easy for one but fairly difficult for the other.

May be the reason that the Liberals refuse to select female members.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 2:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:44pm: This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family home to pay a new tax. Why would they have to sell the family home?

Read the highlighted part.

Did you drop out of school when you were 12?

.. and another lie has been let loose upon the land to startle a flock of sheep called the people...

Labor has said they are NOT considering death taxes - that doesn't mean they will not....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 8:35pm:

.. and another lie has been let loose upon the land to startle a flock of sheep called the people... Labor has said they are NOT considering death taxes - that doesn't mean they will not....

Labor are shameless grave robbers.
Don't worry - I have a feeling there will be enough independents
to vote this legislation down in the Senate.
Many voters want nothing to do with the unrepresentative main parties.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 5:17am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 8:35pm: .. and another lie has been let loose upon the land to startle a flock of sheep called the people... Labor has said they are NOT considering death taxes - that doesn't mean they will not.... Labor are shameless grave robbers. Don't worry - I have a feeling there will be enough independents to vote this legislation down in the Senate. Many voters want nothing to do with the unrepresentative main parties.

It isn't proposed legislation, Bobby - Labor has said they have no such plans.  That doesn't mean they won't ... but they're only after the Fat Bastards.. which we all know is 'unfair' so it will be broadened to All Bastards...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AffectionateFirsthandAntelopegroundsquirrel-max-1mb.gif

Now - d'ye think Ah'm sex-eh?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 8:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 2:36pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:44pm: This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family home to pay a new tax. Why would they have to sell the family home? Read the highlighted part. Did you drop out of school when you were 12?

Try to focus, Gobby.

Why are they paying a new tax?

Is it because they've received something?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 5:17am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 8:35pm: .. and another lie has been let loose upon the land to startle a flock of sheep called the people... Labor has said they are NOT considering death taxes - that doesn't mean they will not.... Labor are shameless grave robbers. Don't worry - I have a feeling there will be enough independents to vote this legislation down in the Senate. Many voters want nothing to do with the unrepresentative main parties.

What legislation?

Do you have a link to the bill?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. Not saying I agree with the proposal but what I highlighted is wrong. It's not taxes on the dead people, it's taxes on the people that inherit who are alive and well. The dead guy cannot be punished in any way shape or form, he's dead, extinct, and ex-person. True - but still he has a point. Tax was already paid on earnings to buy that house. Why should it be taxed again? It could mean that the family home will need to be sold to pay the tax.

It already is "taxed again": council rates, land tax, stamp duty, GST...

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:44pm:

This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family home to pay a new tax. It's about the loss of property under a communist ideology.

Please provide a link to an actual proposal where this would apply.

Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 9:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:41pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Someone posted this on a website: Death duties on people that have paid tax all their lives already, the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. Not saying I agree with the proposal but what I highlighted is wrong. It's not taxes on the dead people, it's taxes on the people that inherit who are alive and well. The dead guy cannot be punished in any way shape or form, he's dead, extinct, and ex-person. True - but still he has a point. Tax was already paid on earnings to buy that house. Why should it be taxed again? It could mean that the family home will need to be sold to pay the tax. It already is "taxed again": council rates, land tax, stamp duty, GST...

Then it's even worse.

Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:44pm: This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family home to pay a new tax. It's about the loss of property under a communist ideology. Please provide a link to an actual proposal where this would apply.

See the opening post.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 9:55am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:44pm: This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family home to pay a new tax. It's about the loss of property under a communist ideology. Please provide a link to an actual proposal where this would apply. See the opening post.

There's no proposal in the OP.

The fact is -

you can't trust the main parties.

None of them wanted to include other questions e.g.
around immigration numbers etc along
with that poofter referendum they had.
They could have had questions tacked on to the election voting forms in a few months -
but they didn't.
When will everyone understand that the main parties don't care what we want?
They do their own thing and bugger us.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 2:48pm:

The fact is - you can't trust the main parties. None of them wanted to include other questions e.g. around immigration numbers etc along with that poofter referendum they had. They could have had questions tacked on to the election voting forms in a few months - but they didn't. When will everyone understand that the main parties don't care what we want? They do their own thing and bugger us.

Your arguments do not support the contention that Labor want death taxes when Labor have been clearly and vocally against death taxes for over 50 years.

Yes the main parties don't care what we want. It does not follow that they support death Taxes and if it does why point to Labor and not the Liberals who do love a good tax or three.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 7:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 2:48pm: The fact is - you can't trust the main parties. None of them wanted to include other questions e.g. around immigration numbers etc along with that poofter referendum they had. They could have had questions tacked on to the election voting forms in a few months - but they didn't. When will everyone understand that the main parties don't care what we want? They do their own thing and bugger us. Your arguments do not support the contention that Labor want death taxes when Labor have been clearly and vocally against death taxes for over 50 years. Yes the main parties don't care what we want. It does not follow that they support death Taxes and if it does why point to Labor and not the Liberals who do love a good tax or three.

Of course Labor wants a death tax.
The opening post proves it.
Labor won't mention it during the election campaign -
it will happen after they win.

The Libbos probably want one too.
I don't trust any of those slimy crooks in parliament -
they are all much worse then used car dealers.

Let coalition have their lies. They are overflowing with it, what's another one or two.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 7:13pm:

Of course Labor wants a death tax. The opening post proves it.

The opening post proves nothing of the sort. Where does it specifically say that the Australian Labor Party will propose this? Nowhere. You've conflated the ACTU with the ALP and this is incorrect.


Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 9:55am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:44pm: This is about normal everyday Australians who will have to sell the family home to pay a new tax. It's about the loss of property under a communist ideology. Please provide a link to an actual proposal where this would apply. See the opening post.

Again, the opening post does not state this.

Your arguments are fallacious. You're doing a lot of jumping to conclusions, based on nothing but a photo from "a website". Not even a link to the original article. Unsupported conclusions based on weak evidence is not at all credible.