It would cost almost half a billion dollars in two years to manage the sudden influx of asylum seekers to Australian shores expected under Wentworth MP Kerryn Phelps’ bid to make it easier to bring detainees to the country on medical grounds.

Within five years, that figure would balloon out from $466.2 million to $1.4 billion, government costings show.

It comes as Labor yesterday left the door open to softening its support for Dr Phelps’ bill amid mounting pressure over its risk to the nation’s borders.

Urgent government modelling has been done to assess how much it would cost Australia immediately to accommodate the 1000 asylum seekers Home Affairs Departmental advice says will begin arriving on Australian shores within weeks if the parliament passes a bill to make medical transfers easier.

Under the modelling, the Christmas Island Detention Centre would be reopened, with costs including detainee transfer costs to Australia, Home Affairs staffing, costs relating to the reopening and management detention centre as well as its staffing and administration.

The new member for Wentworth’s medivac bill – which Labor, the Greens and other crossbenchers indicated late last year they would support - would give doctors the power to sign off on asylum seeker transfers to Australia on medical grounds.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said he would do everything in his power to block the bill.

“What I know is this; we opposed that bill and we will oppose that bill,” he said.

“We will do everything we can to ensure that bill - which is acceptable in no form, no form - because it will undermine our border protection. This bill is an attempt to undermine that and anyone who is supporting this bill is not for stronger borders.”  :)

Concerns have also been raised – first revealed last year in The Daily Telegraph – that the bill would allow asylum seekers with criminal backgrounds into the country.

It was revealed this week that advice from the Home Affairs Department to the government was that the bill would see at least 1000 detainees arrive in Australia within weeks, and the people smugglers back in business.

Legal advice prepared for the government states that up to 1000 asylum seekers would be placed and held in detention or community detention with a residence determination if the bill was given royal assent.

“Placing up to 1000 people in held detention will put pressure on the detention network and with risk assessments, some, but not all may be suitable for community detention,” the advice states.

“Those not suitable for community detention would be placed in held detention, likely necessitating the stand up of the Christmas Island facility and removing our hot contingency fall back for Operation Sovereign Borders.”

The advice states that if only 20 per cent of people were approved for community detention, residences provided by the Department of Home Affairs would increase by a “minimum of 100 new locations”, impacting cost.

“Costs offshore would translate to onshore costs limiting any savings from downsizing of regional processing services.”

In some of his softest language recently on the bill, Labor Leader Shorten said he would “listen to the facts”, saying that if there was a “middle ground” on the issue “we should try to find it”.  ::)

The costings are only for current detainees in PNG and Nauru. The modelling assumes no new boat arrivals, which the government considers unlikely, meaning real costs could be greater.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/asylum-medivac-transfers-will-cost-billions/news-story/c9ce2925bd9de8e52a72cb10d41bc23a

weird isnt it   if you travelled abroad....it wouldnt matter how many years you have paid into it....medicare says  sorry we dont care..take out a special health insurance if you want to do that.

but if you try to come here uninvited  we seem to want to shower them with our freebee health system.. ::) ::)

I guess its ok for Kerryn  she wouldnt struggle to pay for her private health care would she..

Daily Telegraph. LOL. Usual one-sided crap.

No mention of the cost of keeping these people in detention. No mention of how much taxpayers' money has been wasted in the last five years.

I think the smellegraph is assuming they''ll only use the libs preferred form of transport, private chopper from detention centre to airport, another charted plane from airport to airport, and then another chopper to travel down the road to the local hospital :D :D

Bam wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:38am:

Daily Telegraph. LOL. Usual one-sided crap. No mention of the cost of keeping these people in detention. No mention of how much taxpayers' money has been wasted in the last five years.

can I ask WHOS FAULT THAT WAS?.

or would you rather not know?..

:( :( :(

huhum  no mention all children have now been removed either.

The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there???

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::)

We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later.

cods wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:12am:

weird isnt it   if you travelled abroad....it wouldnt matter how many years you have paid into it....medicare says  sorry we dont care..take out a special health insurance if you want to do that. but if you try to come here uninvited  we seem to want to shower them with our freebee health system.. ::) ::) I guess its ok for Kerryn  she wouldnt struggle to pay for her private health care would she..

Asylum seekers don't need an official invitation.

You still haven't got your head around the whole refugee thing, have you dear?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later.

Link???

:-? :-? :-?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later.

You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you?

I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world.

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. Link??? :-? :-? :-?

You don't always need somebody else's info. Think for yourself.

cods wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:12am:

weird isnt it   if you travelled abroad....it wouldnt matter how many years you have paid into it....medicare says  sorry we dont care..take out a special health insurance if you want to do that. but if you try to come here uninvited  we seem to want to shower them with our freebee health system.. ::) ::) I guess its ok for Kerryn  she wouldnt struggle to pay for her private health care would she..

I guess those already on waiting lists can get stuffed the former President of the doctors union wants to bring in more people for medical treatment paid for by Aussie taxpayers.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you? I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world.

Why is that?

Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you? I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world. Why is that? Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum?

in the first country that reach that is safe I do.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:20pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you? I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world. Why is that? Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum? in the first country that reach that is safe I do.

The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 1:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:20pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you? I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world. Why is that? Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum? in the first country that reach that is safe I do. The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean??? :-? :-? :-?

Yes, I'm sure that's what he meant.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 1:57pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 1:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:20pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you? I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world. Why is that? Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum? in the first country that reach that is safe I do. The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean??? :-? :-? :-? Yes, I'm sure that's what he meant.

Nothing stopping them from asking for asylum.

Sounds like a good argument to revert to onshore processing....

This is the tip of a very large iceberg indeed

It is not hard to visualise untold numbers of "Country shoppers' queuing up in Indonesia to get compliant doctors on the take to give them the paperwork

I mean it's not rocket science is it?

This going to create a perfect storm for Australia and the boats will be coming in their hundreds

Labor is too heavily controlled by the left  and this will lead to 'refugee problems' the like of which this Country has never seen

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 1:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:20pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you? I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world. Why is that? Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum? in the first country that reach that is safe I do. The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean??? :-? :-? :-?

The countries in green are all signatories. How many do you think they pass through or near on their way here?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you?

Only for processing at the showers ..............................

Easiest way to solve is to improve medical conditions so that they won't need to be transferred.  If you think they are adequate, a simple question: would you be willing to travel over there (let's say, for free) and have an operation?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:09am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 1:57pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 1:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:20pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you? I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world. Why is that? Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum? in the first country that reach that is safe I do. The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean??? :-? :-? :-? The countries in green are all signatories. How many do you think they pass through or near on their way here? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG

The full map shows most countries to the West of Australia are not signatories???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 9:09am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 1:57pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 1:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:20pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:43am: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later. You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you? I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world. Why is that? Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum? in the first country that reach that is safe I do. The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean??? :-? :-? :-? The countries in green are all signatories. How many do you think they pass through or near on their way here? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG The full map shows most countries to the West of Australia are not signatories??? :-? :-? :-?

What do you like about country shoppers and fake refugees?  Why are you so keen to have them?



Whatever these people are fleeing they are safe from in Indonesia, where they have travelled to freely and without hindrance. They are not fleeing Indonesia when they try to enter Australia illegally.

Why do you want them to do this? What right do they have to come here illegally when they are safe in the country they entered willingly and legally?  Why are you in favour of people who want to break the immigration laws of your own country/ What's wrong with you?

Frank wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:26pm:

What do you like about country shoppers and fake refugees?  Why are you so keen to have them? Whatever these people are fleeing they are safe from in Indonesia, where they have travelled to freely and without hindrance. They are not fleeing Indonesia when they try to enter Australia illegally. Why do you want them to do this? What right do they have to come here illegally when they are safe in the country they entered willingly and legally?  Why are you in favour of people who want to break the immigration laws of your own country/ What's wrong with you?

An independent tribunal determines refugee status not public opinion or politicians....Indonesia are not a signatory to the refugee convention and do not offer asylum or recognise refugee status....They are not entering Australia illegally if they request asylum as soon as they come into contact with Australian authorities....I did not write the laws or ratify the refugee convention....You should address your questions to the Federal Government....What is wrong with you is you have no understanding of international law or the refugee convention!!!

::) ::) ::)

Lame duck Phelpsy is just an embarrassing would be pseudo Greeny. She will be gone at the election.

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:40pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 10:26pm: What do you like about country shoppers and fake refugees?  Why are you so keen to have them? Whatever these people are fleeing they are safe from in Indonesia, where they have travelled to freely and without hindrance. They are not fleeing Indonesia when they try to enter Australia illegally. Why do you want them to do this? What right do they have to come here illegally when they are safe in the country they entered willingly and legally?  Why are you in favour of people who want to break the immigration laws of your own country/ What's wrong with you? An independent tribunal determines refugee status not public opinion or politicians....Indonesia are not a signatory to the refugee convention and do not offer asylum or recognise refugee status....They are not entering Australia illegally if they request asylum as soon as they come into contact with Australian authorities....I did not write the laws or ratify the refugee convention....You should address your questions to the Federal Government....What is wrong with you is you have no understanding of international law or the refugee convention!!! ::) ::) ::)

An independent tribunal determines refugee status not public opinion or politicians Not true. Not an independent tribunal. And the absence of documents is always treated as a 'benefit of doubt' scenario, hence the destruction of all ID by illegal boat entrants

Indonesia are not a signatory to the refugee convention and do not offer asylum or recognise refugee status. So these people fly to Indonesia, and indonesia gives them a vis at the airport, both parties knowing full well that they are there to try o enter Australia illegally. And leavee Indonesia illegally, I add. They NEVER check OUT. The corrupt Indonesian are party to this human trafficking. They know what's happening but they are so corrupt that they will do anything for a little material consideration.

They are not entering Australia illegally if they request asylum as soon as they come into contact with Australian authorities They are leaving Indonesia without going through Indonesian ports and having their passports stamped - see above, corruption - and they are certainly trying to enter Australia illegally. They are not fleeing Indonesia, you see. Trying to enter from a country you are not fleeing IS an attempt to enter illegally.


I did not write the laws or ratify the refugee convention You couldn't write a laundry list.


You should address your questions to the Federal Government - These quetions arise from your ignorant posturing.


What is wrong with you is you have no understanding of international law or the refugee convention!!! So speaks the Great FOGGY!!!! You are sitting in Perth, breathing the same air as Bwian and gweggy - no wonder you have no bloody idea  - see above - and you make up for your ignorance with an excess shouty, flailing bollocks. Very Bwian, very gweggy, very Perth.

Just provide appropriate medical treatment at the refugee camps...they wouldn't need to come to australia then!!

stunspore wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:32pm:

Just provide appropriate medical treatment at the refugee camps...they wouldn't need to come to australia then!!

Because this isn't about medical treatment at all. It's about dismantling offshore detention. They are getting sneaky.

Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling. 

Tally wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:11pm:

Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.

Why do they have to come here to get it?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:12pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:11pm: Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it?

Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need.

Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[

Doctors and doctors' wives:





AMA representative claims asylum seekers on Nauru are worse off than Holocaust victims

The paediatric representative from Australia’s peak medical body has suggested asylum seekers on Manus Island and Nauru are in a worse situation than Jews in Auschwitz because people who knew they were going to be gassed by the Nazis “found some sense of relief in knowing what was happening”.

Paul Bauert of the Australian Medical Association was among dozens of doctors who came to Parliament House in Canberra today to push Bill Shorten and his Labor team to stand firm in support of the Kerryn Phelps-inspired bill.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/ama-representative-claims-asylum-seekers-on-nauru-are-worse-off-than-holocaust-victims/news-story/f46cfdd0e6263e347b636621c642c99d

Out of their minds like Bwian and the rest of the insane bastards around here.

Tally wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it?

Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need.

Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote]I don't want the boats started up again and this buckling of the rules will do it. Are you happy with more drownings and other problems? You might pull 1,000 people out of detention but there will be more than that in drownings. It's a pretty poor comprimise.

Tally wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it?

Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need.

Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote]

Hi Mothra.

Gordon wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:32pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote] Hi Mothra.

tally's not mothra you fool ;D ;D ;D

Tally wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it?

Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need.

Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote]


I'd meet them behind the barrel of a gun, big guns

and I'd kill some to let the rest know I was serious

protect it or lose it

and I don't want their diseases

be offended, it won't worry me.  I quit being a wailing liberal by the time I was fifteen

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:32pm: Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote] Hi Mothra. tally's not mothra you fool ;D ;D ;D

And the Dapto Dog comes running in to defend Mothra's good name. Is she banned again?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote]I don't want the boats started up again and this buckling of the rules will do it. Are you happy with more drownings and other problems? You might pull 1,000 people out of detention but there will be more than that in drownings. It's a pretty poor comprimise.

Asylum seekers are still drowning.

It's just that they're not drowning in Australian waters, and they aren't shown on Channel 7 "News".

So, are you concerned for the people who are dying, or just concerned with where they're dying?

I'm curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:22pm: Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote]I don't want the boats started up again and this buckling of the rules will do it. Are you happy with more drownings and other problems? You might pull 1,000 people out of detention but there will be more than that in drownings. It's a pretty poor comprimise. Asylum seekers are still drowning. It's just that they're not drowning in Australian waters, and they aren't shown on Channel 7 "News". So, are you concerned for the people who are dying, or just concerned with where they're dying? I'm curious.

If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:46pm:

If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it?

so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::)

Gordon wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:19pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:32pm: Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote] Hi Mothra. tally's not mothra you fool ;D ;D ;D And the Dapto Dog comes running in to defend Mothra's good name. Is she banned again?

defend her from what exactly? Geez, you're starting to make goober look like  a genius. :D :D

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:45pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:22pm: Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote]I don't want the boats started up again and this buckling of the rules will do it. Are you happy with more drownings and other problems? You might pull 1,000 people out of detention but there will be more than that in drownings. It's a pretty poor comprimise. Asylum seekers are still drowning. It's just that they're not drowning in Australian waters, and they aren't shown on Channel 7 "News". So, are you concerned for the people who are dying, or just concerned with where they're dying? I'm curious. If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it?

Focus.

We're not discussing blame or policy - we're discussing human life.

You asked the question: "Are you happy with more drownings?".

As I explained to you, asylum seekers are still drowning.

So, are you genuinely concerned for the people who are dying, or just concerned with where they're dying?

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:33pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:19pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:32pm: Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote] Hi Mothra. tally's not mothra you fool ;D ;D ;D And the Dapto Dog comes running in to defend Mothra's good name. Is she banned again? defend her from what exactly? Geez, you're starting to make goober look like  a genius. :D :D

Woof woof, Dapto.

Gordon wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:33pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:19pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:32pm: Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote] Hi Mothra. tally's not mothra you fool ;D ;D ;D And the Dapto Dog comes running in to defend Mothra's good name. Is she banned again? defend her from what exactly? Geez, you're starting to make goober look like  a genius. :D :D Woof woof, Dapto.

see what I mean. I've told you a dozen times, I'm not from dapto you idiot. You calling me dapto has the same effect as it would if I called you dapto.   :D :D :D

how long have you profited from illegal activity?

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:54pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:52pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:33pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:19pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:32pm: Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote] Hi Mothra. tally's not mothra you fool ;D ;D ;D And the Dapto Dog comes running in to defend Mothra's good name. Is she banned again? defend her from what exactly? Geez, you're starting to make goober look like  a genius. :D :D Woof woof, Dapto. see what I mean. I've told you a dozen times, I'm not from dapto you idiot. You calling me dapto has the same effect as it would if I called you dapto.   :D :D :D how long have you profited from illegal activity?

Woof woof Port Kembla.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::)

That's correct.

He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:54pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:52pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:33pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:19pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:32pm: Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote] Hi Mothra. tally's not mothra you fool ;D ;D ;D And the Dapto Dog comes running in to defend Mothra's good name. Is she banned again? defend her from what exactly? Geez, you're starting to make goober look like  a genius. :D :D Woof woof, Dapto. see what I mean. I've told you a dozen times, I'm not from dapto you idiot. You calling me dapto has the same effect as it would if I called you dapto.   :D :D :D how long have you profited from illegal activity? Woof woof Port Kembla.

ohh looky, Set has two puppies he's training.  ;D ;D

I think Set needs some new training pads for his puppies. They look like slow learners and are likely to make a mess all over themselves.

;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:51pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:45pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:22pm: Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote]I don't want the boats started up again and this buckling of the rules will do it. Are you happy with more drownings and other problems? You might pull 1,000 people out of detention but there will be more than that in drownings. It's a pretty poor comprimise. Asylum seekers are still drowning. It's just that they're not drowning in Australian waters, and they aren't shown on Channel 7 "News". So, are you concerned for the people who are dying, or just concerned with where they're dying? I'm curious. If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? Focus. We're not discussing blame or policy - we're discussing human life. You asked the question: "Are you happy with more drownings?". As I explained to you, asylum seekers are still drowning. So, are you genuinely concerned for the people who are dying, or just concerned with where they're dying?

I don't worry about the drownings

it doesn't touch me.  I don't know them. I don't want any more migrants or refugees in this country and would like to send most of those already here, back

back to their own countries, their own cultures

I want clean streets again, public transport that doesn't send passengers out with nits and lice

I don't want any more drain on taxes.  I want Aussie taxes spent on Aussies in the form of bigger pensions, more and cleaner hospitals, better and cleaner schools with smaller classes.  etc.

I want to return to when Aussie supermarkets were staffed by clean Aussies

I want taxis driven by courteous, clean aussies instead of, once again, emerging with lice and nits

do you get it?

and you wonder why your paid whining about drownings leave Aussies unmoved

put them in your home.  you feed them, educate them, give them work and keep  them in your place.  All on you

Do not invite foreigners on my behalf. Who do you think you are?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives.

most right wingers I know are like that ... crying out 'what about the deaths at sea' .... they don't give a crap how many die at sea, only that they can use it for their politics.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives.

People are dying every few seconds Pecca. Get over it.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives. People are dying every few seconds Pecca. Get over it.

Just admit it's a political issue for you, and not a humanitarian one.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives. most right wingers I know are like that ... crying out 'what about the deaths at sea' .... they don't give a crap how many die at sea, only that they can use it for their politics.

If you pay some criminal $50,000 to sail you through treacherous waters in a rickety boat with your kids on board then I can't feel too sorry for them. That's just stupidity.

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

I don't worry about the drownings it doesn't touch me.  I don't know them. I don't want any more migrants or refugees in this country and would like to send most of those already here, back back to their own countries, their own cultures I want clean streets again, public transport that doesn't send passengers out with nits and lice I don't want any more drain on taxes.  I want Aussie taxes spent on Aussies in the form of bigger pensions, more and cleaner hospitals, better and cleaner schools with smaller classes.  etc. I want to return to when Aussie supermarkets were staffed by clean Aussies I want taxis driven by courteous, clean aussies instead of, once again, emerging with lice and nits do you get it? and you wonder why your paid whining about drownings leave Aussies unmoved put them in your home.  you feed them, educate them, give them work and keep  them in your place.  All on you Do not invite foreigners on my behalf. Who do you think you are?

good thing most aussies don't give a poo what you want.

Also, if you seem to have a problem with nits. Simple solution, wash. A little conditioner is all you need to kill them.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives. most right wingers I know are like that ... crying out 'what about the deaths at sea' .... they don't give a crap how many die at sea, only that they can use it for their politics. If you pay some criminal $50,000 to sail you through treacherous waters in a rickety boat with your kids on board then I can't feel too sorry for them. That's just stupidity.

yet you were the one pretending you gave a poo every time you cried 'what about the drownings at sea'.  :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:02pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:59pm: I don't worry about the drownings it doesn't touch me.  I don't know them. I don't want any more migrants or refugees in this country and would like to send most of those already here, back back to their own countries, their own cultures I want clean streets again, public transport that doesn't send passengers out with nits and lice I don't want any more drain on taxes.  I want Aussie taxes spent on Aussies in the form of bigger pensions, more and cleaner hospitals, better and cleaner schools with smaller classes.  etc. I want to return to when Aussie supermarkets were staffed by clean Aussies I want taxis driven by courteous, clean aussies instead of, once again, emerging with lice and nits do you get it? and you wonder why your paid whining about drownings leave Aussies unmoved put them in your home.  you feed them, educate them, give them work and keep  them in your place.  All on you Do not invite foreigners on my behalf. Who do you think you are? good thing most aussies don't give a poo what you want. Also, if you seem to have a problem with nits. Simple solution, wash. A little conditioner is all you need to kill them.

MOST Aussies think the way I do

politicians know it

As to nits and lice --- send the filthy bastard carriers back where they belong, where they eat dogs and cockroaches on sticks

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:01pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives. People are dying every few seconds Pecca. Get over it. Just admit it's a political issue for you, and not a humanitarian one.

For me- I don't want the 3rd world full of incompatible races and cultures swamping my country and turning it to crap. Others have different views. The drownings aren't political or viewpoints. That's just what will happen. Toss it up.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives. most right wingers I know are like that ... crying out 'what about the deaths at sea' .... they don't give a crap how many die at sea, only that they can use it for their politics.

Indeed.

I suspect people monsters like that actually like the fact that foreigners are drowning.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJSRfztl_tc

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:04pm:

MOST Aussies think the way I do

You keep telling yourself that ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:01pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives. most right wingers I know are like that ... crying out 'what about the deaths at sea' .... they don't give a crap how many die at sea, only that they can use it for their politics. If you pay some criminal $50,000 to sail you through treacherous waters in a rickety boat with your kids on board then I can't feel too sorry for them. That's just stupidity. yet you were the one pretending you gave a poo every time you cried 'what about the drownings at sea'.  :D :D

I'm just highlighting what will happen. Even you must be concerned about that being a lovey dovey and all?

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:07pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:04pm: MOST Aussies think the way I do You keep telling yourself that ;D ;D

I don't need to

the media tells me, frequently

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:01pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives. most right wingers I know are like that ... crying out 'what about the deaths at sea' .... they don't give a crap how many die at sea, only that they can use it for their politics. If you pay some criminal $50,000 to sail you through treacherous waters in a rickety boat with your kids on board then I can't feel too sorry for them. That's just stupidity. yet you were the one pretending you gave a poo every time you cried 'what about the drownings at sea'.  :D :D I'm just highlighting what will happen. Even you must be concerned about that being a lovey dovey and all?

They're still drowning. It's just that it's happening in different locations.

What part of that don't you understand?

The drownings haven't stopped.

I don't care a fig about the alleged 'deaths at sea'.  Nor does anyone I've ever met

it's a much needed form of birth control

maybe they should try that instead of pumping out kids like farts

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:07pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:04pm: MOST Aussies think the way I do You keep telling yourself that ;D ;D I don't need to the media tells me, frequently

fan of bolt are you? there's a surprise. :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:08pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:01pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives. most right wingers I know are like that ... crying out 'what about the deaths at sea' .... they don't give a crap how many die at sea, only that they can use it for their politics. If you pay some criminal $50,000 to sail you through treacherous waters in a rickety boat with your kids on board then I can't feel too sorry for them. That's just stupidity. yet you were the one pretending you gave a poo every time you cried 'what about the drownings at sea'.  :D :D I'm just highlighting what will happen. Even you must be concerned about that being a lovey dovey and all? They're still drowning. It's just that it's happening in different locations. What part of that don't you understand? The drownings haven't stopped.

In Australian waters they have...…… for now. You know if there's anybody to blame when it happens again it's you lefties. You are silly enablers.

Tally wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it?

Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need.

Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote]

If libs are worried people coming over to australia to get treated, have suitable facilities for treatment over there.  Building it in a 3rd country should be pretty cheap.

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:14pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:10pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:07pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:04pm: MOST Aussies think the way I do You keep telling yourself that ;D ;D I don't need to the media tells me, frequently fan of bolt are you? there's a surprise. :D

you mentioned him

I don't need no msm talking head to form my opinions for me

nor do I need to post for pay to stay alive

my opinions are mine and I post for free

now go on social media if you dare and be met with a never ending barrage of opinions just like mine

because you're worse than useless trying to sell more foreigners in here

stunspore wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:15pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote] If libs are worried people coming over to australia to get treated, have suitable facilities for treatment over there.  Building it in a 3rd country should be pretty cheap.

What did those foreigner do about their health before someone told them about Australia?

Why should Aussies have to pay anything for their health?  No reason, none at all

They live or they die.  What's World Health Org and the other alphabet agencies doing about their health?  Where's their own health system?

I don't want to pay a cent towards their health.  Do they pay for mine?

Tell them to quit breeding

The only thing I'll contribute is birth control.  I'll be generous with that

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:11pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:08pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:01pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives. most right wingers I know are like that ... crying out 'what about the deaths at sea' .... they don't give a crap how many die at sea, only that they can use it for their politics. If you pay some criminal $50,000 to sail you through treacherous waters in a rickety boat with your kids on board then I can't feel too sorry for them. That's just stupidity. yet you were the one pretending you gave a poo every time you cried 'what about the drownings at sea'.  :D :D I'm just highlighting what will happen. Even you must be concerned about that being a lovey dovey and all? They're still drowning. It's just that it's happening in different locations. What part of that don't you understand? The drownings haven't stopped. In Australian waters they have...…… for now. You know if there's anybody to blame when it happens again it's you lefties. You are silly enablers.

See: you only care about where they die.

Are you a sociopath?

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:15pm: Tally wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:12pm: [quote author=Tally link=1549662230/30#30 date=1549876285]Giving medical attention to the needy, how appalling.  Why do they have to come here to get it? Sometimes we just have to reduce things down to what they are and for forget the politics. They are people in need. Try and imagine, just for a moment, your loved ones are in their predicament.  :-[/quote] If libs are worried people coming over to australia to get treated, have suitable facilities for treatment over there.  Building it in a 3rd country should be pretty cheap. What did those foreigner do about their health before someone told them about Australia? Why should Aussies have to pay anything for their health?  No reason, none at all They live or they die.  What's World Health Org and the other alphabet agencies doing about their health?  Where's their own health system? I don't want to pay a cent towards their health.  Do they pay for mine? Tell them to quit breeding The only thing I'll contribute is birth control.  I'll be generous with that

Put a naked photo of you in every one of their bedrooms?

You're running on empty now Greg

and it shows

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:14pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:10pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:07pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:04pm: MOST Aussies think the way I do You keep telling yourself that ;D ;D I don't need to the media tells me, frequently fan of bolt are you? there's a surprise. :D you mentioned him I don't need no msm talking head to form my opinions for me nor do I need to post for pay to stay alive my opinions are mine and I post for free now go on social media if you dare and be met with a never ending barrage of opinions just like mine because you're worse than useless trying to sell more foreigners in here

social media?   you think going to an echo chamber is news?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

here, this is what the majority of Aussies think




78% think we should have the same or more. Only 21% think we should have less.


so most aussies do NOT think the way you do :D :D

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John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:16pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:14pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:10pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:07pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:04pm: MOST Aussies think the way I do You keep telling yourself that ;D ;D I don't need to the media tells me, frequently fan of bolt are you? there's a surprise. :D you mentioned him I don't need no msm talking head to form my opinions for me nor do I need to post for pay to stay alive my opinions are mine and I post for free now go on social media if you dare and be met with a never ending barrage of opinions just like mine because you're worse than useless trying to sell more foreigners in here social media?   you think going to an echo chamber is news?  ;D ;D ;D ;D here, this is what the majority of Aussies think 78% think we should have the same or more. Only 21% think we should have less. so most aussies do NOT think the way you do :D :D

To be fair, Mr Hammer doesn't actually think - he just reacts.

Aussies are highly averse to accepting any more 'refugees' or 'asylum seekers' or, to put it into a word, foreigners

and they have made that abundantly clear to politicians

dummied up 'polls' are meaningless so don't even bother with those

people know how they feel, how their workmates feel about it and how their neighbours and families feel. Even strangers at bus stops let it be known they do NOT want any more, none

even 'new' Australians, who themselves were foreigners when they arrived and who continue to prioritise their original homelands, are vocal about not wanting any more

If you're too scared to take your crap to social media, just admit it.  You'd get carted and you know it

and you sure aren't fooling anyone in this little forum

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 11:17am: The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there??? ::) ::) ::) We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor.

Rubbish. Why would they? The people smugglers are doing very good business putting them on planes.

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:38pm:

Aussies are highly averse to accepting any more 'refugees' or 'asylum seekers' or, to put it into a word, foreigners and they have made that abundantly clear to politicians dummied up 'polls' are meaningless so don't even bother with those

yes, I agree .... much more meaningful to listen to your echo chambers  :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:52pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:38pm: Aussies are highly averse to accepting any more 'refugees' or 'asylum seekers' or, to put it into a word, foreigners and they have made that abundantly clear to politicians dummied up 'polls' are meaningless so don't even bother with those yes, I agree .... much more meaningful to listen to your echo chambers  :D :D

Guess you're done here

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:52pm: PZ547 wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:38pm: Aussies are highly averse to accepting any more 'refugees' or 'asylum seekers' or, to put it into a word, foreigners and they have made that abundantly clear to politicians dummied up 'polls' are meaningless so don't even bother with those yes, I agree .... much more meaningful to listen to your echo chambers  :D :D Guess you're done here

there's only so much meaningless waffle I can take in one night.

Dear oh dear, the luvvies pretending to care.  ;D

You want to know what Labor thinks of asylum seekers look to the black and white of the legislation they write, much more eloquent and revealing than the faux wailings and crocodile tears.

smacking over foreigners is writ deep in Labor DNA, all the way back to the miners Union against the Chinese in the goldfields. 

The sainted Whitlam didn't want a thing to do with Vietnamese boat people saying “I'm not having these smacking Vietnamese Balts coming into the country with their religious and political prejudices against us". Bob Hawke said they should be sent back, it took Fraser to rectify that Labor policy.

Keating another Labor luminary in response to Cambodian boat people legislated mandatory detention.

Labor and its trade unions have always been the party of xenophobia.

Rudd was never a labor or a union man, he proved that by relaxing border controls and of course the predictable and inevitable happened, Gillard after knifing him returned to Labor orthodoxy and introduced the no advantage test to remove the incentive for queue jumping.

Rudd back in had learnt his lesson to toe the Labor line and and he topped all previous labor legislation with the most onerous yet, including towbacks and removing or reducing allowances for those he hadn't been able to lock up in the reopened, to use the words of the cretins, "concentration camps". 

Labor owns the legislation smacking over asylum seekers and has a long history and a recent history of doing so. They are by any measure worse than the LNP, and they are able to do so confident that luvvie cretins being possessed of massive hypocricy and a great deal of idiocy and ignorance of what Labor does will continue to support them.  No matter what they legislate.

They do what they wouldn't condone from any other party.

The Coalition want the Minister Dutton to decide if refugees need medical assistance not a doctor....Hundreds or refugees have already been brought to Australia for medical treatment and the boats have not restarted....How did Australia get to the point of treating innocent people so poorly....Australia should be ashamed of itself???

>:( >:( >:(

Secret Wars wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

Dear oh dear, the luvvies pretending to care.  ;D You want to know what Labor thinks of asylum seekers look to the black and white of the legislation they write, much more eloquent and revealing than the faux wailings and crocodile tears. smacking over foreigners is writ deep in Labor DNA, all the way back to the miners Union against the Chinese in the goldfields.  The sainted Whitlam didn't want a thing to do with Vietnamese boat people saying “I'm not having these smacking Vietnamese Balts coming into the country with their religious and political prejudices against us". Bob Hawke said they should be sent back, it took Fraser to rectify that Labor policy. Keating another Labor luminary in response to Cambodian boat people legislated mandatory detention. Labor and its trade unions have always been the party of xenophobia. Rudd was never a labor or a union man, he proved that by relaxing border controls and of course the predictable and inevitable happened, Gillard after knifing him returned to Labor orthodoxy and introduced the no advantage test to remove the incentive for queue jumping. Rudd back in had learnt his lesson to toe the Labor line and and he topped all previous labor legislation with the most onerous yet, including towbacks and removing or reducing allowances for those he hadn't been able to lock up in the reopened, to use the words of the cretins, "concentration camps".  Labor owns the legislation smacking over asylum seekers and has a long history and a recent history of doing so. They are by any measure worse than the LNP, and they are able to do so confident that luvvie cretins being possessed of massive hypocricy and a great deal of idiocy and ignorance of what Labor does will continue to support them.  No matter what they legislate. They do what they wouldn't condone from any other party.

I've never seen anyone in here praising Labor for their policies on asylum seekers and refugees.

I've condemned them numerous times, and so have many others from the left.

Both Liberal and Labor should be ashamed of themselves, when it comes to the treatment of asylum seekers.

As Phil asked before: "How did Australia get to the point of treating innocent people so poorly"?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:05am:

Secret Wars wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 7:18am: Dear oh dear, the luvvies pretending to care.  ;D You want to know what Labor thinks of asylum seekers look to the black and white of the legislation they write, much more eloquent and revealing than the faux wailings and crocodile tears. smacking over foreigners is writ deep in Labor DNA, all the way back to the miners Union against the Chinese in the goldfields.  The sainted Whitlam didn't want a thing to do with Vietnamese boat people saying “I'm not having these smacking Vietnamese Balts coming into the country with their religious and political prejudices against us". Bob Hawke said they should be sent back, it took Fraser to rectify that Labor policy. Keating another Labor luminary in response to Cambodian boat people legislated mandatory detention. Labor and its trade unions have always been the party of xenophobia. Rudd was never a labor or a union man, he proved that by relaxing border controls and of course the predictable and inevitable happened, Gillard after knifing him returned to Labor orthodoxy and introduced the no advantage test to remove the incentive for queue jumping. Rudd back in had learnt his lesson to toe the Labor line and and he topped all previous labor legislation with the most onerous yet, including towbacks and removing or reducing allowances for those he hadn't been able to lock up in the reopened, to use the words of the cretins, "concentration camps".  Labor owns the legislation smacking over asylum seekers and has a long history and a recent history of doing so. They are by any measure worse than the LNP, and they are able to do so confident that luvvie cretins being possessed of massive hypocricy and a great deal of idiocy and ignorance of what Labor does will continue to support them.  No matter what they legislate. They do what they wouldn't condone from any other party. I've never seen anyone in here praising Labor for their policies on asylum seekers and refugees. I've condemned them numerous times, and so have many others from the left. Both Liberal and Labor should be ashamed of themselves, when it comes to the treatment of asylum seekers. As Phil asked before: "How did Australia get to the point of treating innocent people so poorly"?

I'm so happy most people don't think like you Pecca.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 10:05am: Secret Wars wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 7:18am: Dear oh dear, the luvvies pretending to care.  ;D You want to know what Labor thinks of asylum seekers look to the black and white of the legislation they write, much more eloquent and revealing than the faux wailings and crocodile tears. smacking over foreigners is writ deep in Labor DNA, all the way back to the miners Union against the Chinese in the goldfields.  The sainted Whitlam didn't want a thing to do with Vietnamese boat people saying “I'm not having these smacking Vietnamese Balts coming into the country with their religious and political prejudices against us". Bob Hawke said they should be sent back, it took Fraser to rectify that Labor policy. Keating another Labor luminary in response to Cambodian boat people legislated mandatory detention. Labor and its trade unions have always been the party of xenophobia. Rudd was never a labor or a union man, he proved that by relaxing border controls and of course the predictable and inevitable happened, Gillard after knifing him returned to Labor orthodoxy and introduced the no advantage test to remove the incentive for queue jumping. Rudd back in had learnt his lesson to toe the Labor line and and he topped all previous labor legislation with the most onerous yet, including towbacks and removing or reducing allowances for those he hadn't been able to lock up in the reopened, to use the words of the cretins, "concentration camps".  Labor owns the legislation smacking over asylum seekers and has a long history and a recent history of doing so. They are by any measure worse than the LNP, and they are able to do so confident that luvvie cretins being possessed of massive hypocricy and a great deal of idiocy and ignorance of what Labor does will continue to support them.  No matter what they legislate. They do what they wouldn't condone from any other party. I've never seen anyone in here praising Labor for their policies on asylum seekers and refugees. I've condemned them numerous times, and so have many others from the left. Both Liberal and Labor should be ashamed of themselves, when it comes to the treatment of asylum seekers. As Phil asked before: "How did Australia get to the point of treating innocent people so poorly"? I'm so happy most people don't think like you Pecca.

What do you have against refugees?

Why do you have no compassion for other humans?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:40am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 10:05am: Secret Wars wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 7:18am: Dear oh dear, the luvvies pretending to care.  ;D You want to know what Labor thinks of asylum seekers look to the black and white of the legislation they write, much more eloquent and revealing than the faux wailings and crocodile tears. smacking over foreigners is writ deep in Labor DNA, all the way back to the miners Union against the Chinese in the goldfields.  The sainted Whitlam didn't want a thing to do with Vietnamese boat people saying “I'm not having these smacking Vietnamese Balts coming into the country with their religious and political prejudices against us". Bob Hawke said they should be sent back, it took Fraser to rectify that Labor policy. Keating another Labor luminary in response to Cambodian boat people legislated mandatory detention. Labor and its trade unions have always been the party of xenophobia. Rudd was never a labor or a union man, he proved that by relaxing border controls and of course the predictable and inevitable happened, Gillard after knifing him returned to Labor orthodoxy and introduced the no advantage test to remove the incentive for queue jumping. Rudd back in had learnt his lesson to toe the Labor line and and he topped all previous labor legislation with the most onerous yet, including towbacks and removing or reducing allowances for those he hadn't been able to lock up in the reopened, to use the words of the cretins, "concentration camps".  Labor owns the legislation smacking over asylum seekers and has a long history and a recent history of doing so. They are by any measure worse than the LNP, and they are able to do so confident that luvvie cretins being possessed of massive hypocricy and a great deal of idiocy and ignorance of what Labor does will continue to support them.  No matter what they legislate. They do what they wouldn't condone from any other party. I've never seen anyone in here praising Labor for their policies on asylum seekers and refugees. I've condemned them numerous times, and so have many others from the left. Both Liberal and Labor should be ashamed of themselves, when it comes to the treatment of asylum seekers. As Phil asked before: "How did Australia get to the point of treating innocent people so poorly"? I'm so happy most people don't think like you Pecca. What do you have against refugees? Why do you have no compassion for other humans?

Nope. I worry about Australia. Most of the rest of the world is a mess. More of our leaders should be more nationalistic. I worry more about struggling Australians rather than people struggling from the rest of the world. Our own kids can't afford to buy a house and many don't have jobs. In my eyes they are more important than foreigners.

Gregg asks why Mr Hammer has no compassion.

Gregg votes for and supports the party that rejected the Vietnamese, that legislated mandatory detention, that legislated no advantage, that excised the mainland, that removed or reduced allowances for asylum seekers in the community, that stopped English language and vocational lessons, that legislated the never ever settle if you wash up rules, that opened up concentration camps that locked up women and children. 

That's the compassion of the luvvies for you.  Plenty of fake tears and pointing fingers at the LNP ...whilst they bugger you over and put you into concentration camps.   

Who is releasing the women and children from the concentration camps that Wong in all her fake piety wailed about?  Riddle me that, cretins.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:40am: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 10:05am: Secret Wars wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 7:18am: Dear oh dear, the luvvies pretending to care.  ;D You want to know what Labor thinks of asylum seekers look to the black and white of the legislation they write, much more eloquent and revealing than the faux wailings and crocodile tears. smacking over foreigners is writ deep in Labor DNA, all the way back to the miners Union against the Chinese in the goldfields.  The sainted Whitlam didn't want a thing to do with Vietnamese boat people saying “I'm not having these smacking Vietnamese Balts coming into the country with their religious and political prejudices against us". Bob Hawke said they should be sent back, it took Fraser to rectify that Labor policy. Keating another Labor luminary in response to Cambodian boat people legislated mandatory detention. Labor and its trade unions have always been the party of xenophobia. Rudd was never a labor or a union man, he proved that by relaxing border controls and of course the predictable and inevitable happened, Gillard after knifing him returned to Labor orthodoxy and introduced the no advantage test to remove the incentive for queue jumping. Rudd back in had learnt his lesson to toe the Labor line and and he topped all previous labor legislation with the most onerous yet, including towbacks and removing or reducing allowances for those he hadn't been able to lock up in the reopened, to use the words of the cretins, "concentration camps".  Labor owns the legislation smacking over asylum seekers and has a long history and a recent history of doing so. They are by any measure worse than the LNP, and they are able to do so confident that luvvie cretins being possessed of massive hypocricy and a great deal of idiocy and ignorance of what Labor does will continue to support them.  No matter what they legislate. They do what they wouldn't condone from any other party. I've never seen anyone in here praising Labor for their policies on asylum seekers and refugees. I've condemned them numerous times, and so have many others from the left. Both Liberal and Labor should be ashamed of themselves, when it comes to the treatment of asylum seekers. As Phil asked before: "How did Australia get to the point of treating innocent people so poorly"? I'm so happy most people don't think like you Pecca. What do you have against refugees? Why do you have no compassion for other humans? Nope. I worry about Australia. Most of the rest of the world is a mess. More of our leaders should be more nationalistic. I worry more about struggling Australians rather than people struggling from the rest of the world. Our own kids can't afford to buy a house and many don't have jobs. In my eyes they are more important than foreigners.

I'm so happy most people don't "think" like you, Homo.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:40am:

What do you have against refugees? Why do you have no compassion for other humans?

Most of them are fake.  Lying.

Syrians should be going home to rebuild their country. Ditto Afghans, Iraqis, Africans, the lot. There are very few genuine refugees who must be re-settled for life because there is no opportunity for them to return home.  Very, very few.

Wars end but Western welfare is for ever.

Secret Wars wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:06pm:

Gregg asks why Mr Hammer has no compassion. Gregg votes for and supports the party that rejected the Vietnamese, that legislated mandatory detention, that legislated no advantage, that excised the mainland, that removed or reduced allowances for asylum seekers in the community, that stopped English language and vocational lessons, that legislated the never ever settle if you wash up rules, that opened up concentration camps that locked up women and children.  That's the compassion of the luvvies for you.  Plenty of fake tears and pointing fingers at the LNP ...whilst they bugger you over and put you into concentration camps.    Who is releasing the women and children from the concentration camps that Wong in all her fake piety wailed about?  Riddle me that, cretins.

So it was Labor that stopped the boats with their inhumane policies....Why are the Coalition taking credit then???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:40pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 12:06pm: Gregg asks why Mr Hammer has no compassion. Gregg votes for and supports the party that rejected the Vietnamese, that legislated mandatory detention, that legislated no advantage, that excised the mainland, that removed or reduced allowances for asylum seekers in the community, that stopped English language and vocational lessons, that legislated the never ever settle if you wash up rules, that opened up concentration camps that locked up women and children.  That's the compassion of the luvvies for you.  Plenty of fake tears and pointing fingers at the LNP ...whilst they bugger you over and put you into concentration camps.    Who is releasing the women and children from the concentration camps that Wong in all her fake piety wailed about?  Riddle me that, cretins. So it was Labor that stopped the boats with their inhumane policies....Why are the Coalition taking credit then??? :-? :-? :-?

One thing I have noticed about luvvies is they live in a binary world, it's positive or negative, if something is similar, then without regard to circumstances it must be exactly equivalent. 

If you allow yourself to see shades you can then see situations as whilst not perfect are as best as can be done, or to balance competing claims.

There is no doubt at all Rudd virtue signalled Labor into the border debacle, there is also no doubt in trying to fix that both Gillard and especially Rudd maintained the labor tradition of being brutal on borders. 

Labor now reaps the political wind of that relaxation but can also be credited with fixing it, the coalition can share credit because they maintained the towbacks and patrols and that hardline policy despite a mostly hostile media, and hilariously, once again, ignorant luvvie cretins calling them racist and xenophobes...for enforcing Labor legislation. 

Frank wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:40am: What do you have against refugees? Why do you have no compassion for other humans? Most of them are fake.  Lying.

Nope.

The vast majority of asylum seekers who come by boat are genuine refugees - 80 to 90%, in fact.

Whereas only about 40% of those who come by plane turn out to be genuine refugees.

While you guys are looking out for boats, the illegal immigrants are coming in by the thousands through our airports.

Oh dear.

Liberal party politicians making medical assessments with absolutely no qualifications

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

Nope. I worry about Australia.

Understandable, considering the corrupt and inept government we have.


Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

More of our leaders should be more nationalistic.

What would that achieve?


Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

I worry more about struggling Australians rather than people struggling from the rest of the world.

Why can't you worry about both?


Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

Our own kids can't afford to buy a house and many don't have jobs. In my eyes they are more important than foreigners.

Why is that?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 8:28am:

Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 9:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:40am: What do you have against refugees? Why do you have no compassion for other humans? Most of them are fake.  Lying. Nope. The vast majority of asylum seekers who come by boat are genuine refugees - 80 to 90%, in fact. Whereas only about 40% of those who come by plane turn out to be genuine refugees. While you guys are looking out for boats, the illegal immigrants are coming in by the thousands through our airports. Oh dear.

Separate issue. related but separate.


Other fakes coming through other channels doesn't mean that fakes coming on boats should not be stopped.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 9:50am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:48am: Nope. I worry about Australia. Understandable, considering the corrupt and inept government we have. Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:48am: More of our leaders should be more nationalistic. What would that achieve? Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:48am: I worry more about struggling Australians rather than people struggling from the rest of the world. Why can't you worry about both? Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:48am: Our own kids can't afford to buy a house and many don't have jobs. In my eyes they are more important than foreigners. Why is that?

Nationalism? Caring for your own people first? The rest of the world isn't looking after Australians.

The rest of the world isn't my concern. What happens in Zimbabwe doesn't impact on me , my family and my fellow Australians so I don't care.


One of the reasons for the housing affordability problem in Sydney where I live is the huge influx of migrants which drives house prices up. They are filling the place up with limited resources and limited land.

Nobody will be coming because the policy remains the same  :)

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 8:46pm: If they die off the North African coast it can't be blamed on poor policy from the Australian government, can it? so you don't really care that they're dying, you only care about how the politicians look?  ::) That's correct. He has zero compassion for the people losing their lives. most right wingers I know are like that ... crying out 'what about the deaths at sea' .... they don't give a crap how many die at sea, only that they can use it for their politics.

Do progressive bastards like you care about how many die at sea?

No.

You DO want them to die in great numbers as long as that opens the {politcal} gates wide open. 

You are suicidal, self-hating bastards who project your self-hatred onto everyone.

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 7:34pm:

Do progressive bastards like you care about how many die at sea?

I'm not the one crying about them dying at sea though.  You Idiot. :D :D :D

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 6:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 8:28am: Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 9:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2019 at 11:40am: What do you have against refugees? Why do you have no compassion for other humans? Most of them are fake.  Lying. Nope. The vast majority of asylum seekers who come by boat are genuine refugees - 80 to 90%, in fact. Whereas only about 40% of those who come by plane turn out to be genuine refugees. While you guys are looking out for boats, the illegal immigrants are coming in by the thousands through our airports. Oh dear. Separate issue. related but separate. Other fakes coming through other channels doesn't mean that fakes coming on boats should not be stopped.

They are stopped.

There's very few of them, though.

You obviously haven't been paying attention.

Your statement was an outright lie.

Most of them are NOT fake/lying.

Most of them are genuine.  The vast majority, in fact.

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 6:13pm:

Other fakes coming through other channels doesn't mean that fakes coming on boats should not be stopped.

they are stopped. The fakes are found to be non genuine refugees, and sent back home. It has always been this way  ::) ::)

M.l
John Smith wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 9:01pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:13pm: Other fakes coming through other channels doesn't mean that fakes coming on boats should not be stopped. they are stopped. The fakes are found to be non genuine refugees, and sent back home. It has always been this way  ::) ::)

So why is dr Phlegms  bringing them  here from manus?

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 9:05pm:

M.l John Smith wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 9:01pm: Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:13pm: Other fakes coming through other channels doesn't mean that fakes coming on boats should not be stopped. they are stopped. The fakes are found to be non genuine refugees, and sent back home. It has always been this way  ::) ::) So why is dr Phlegms  bringing them  here from manus?

For medical treatment.

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 9:05pm:

M.l John Smith wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 9:01pm: Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 6:13pm: Other fakes coming through other channels doesn't mean that fakes coming on boats should not be stopped. they are stopped. The fakes are found to be non genuine refugees, and sent back home. It has always been this way  ::) ::) So why is dr Phlegms  bringing them  here from manus?

they've been there for years. According to the libs, we've had no new boat arrivals since they won office.  ::)