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Whole suburbs will be switched off from electricity in the next few hours.
Some are already switched off.

The closed down Hazelwood and now they can't cope on hot days.

They flog our gas off for peanuts but we have no gas turbine generators on standby !!

Mains voltage is down from 244V to 219 V at my place. So much for PV systems generating too much power and raising the voltage like the scare mongering LNP keeps telling us !

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 25^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

They flog our gas off for peanuts but we have no gas turbine generators on standby !! Mains voltage is down from 244V to 219 V at my place. So much for PV systems generating too much power and raising the voltage like the scare mongering LNP keeps telling us !

It's the Govts fault.

They bring in too many immigrants when we don't have :
the roads,
the hospitals,
schools,
dentists -

and now power stations.


Why do we keep voting for these monkeys?

It's what happens when you de-industrialize a country and replace a productive economy with a fake services economy that runs off a continual growth in debt and immigration.

Just take a look a what everyone is doing these days. All I see is rows of coffee shops with people sitting inside talking poo to each other ! What do these people actually do ? If they are not on a pension I bet they are not involved in making things.  I bet they are working in useless businesses like energy retailers and micky mouse marketing or real estate scumbags. Just sh.t that pollies like to boast about here.

For a country like Australia we should be building the biggest solar plants and feeding that power into the grid. It's not as though we are short of land or sunshine. Just crap rubbish lawyer scum governments people keep voting in that have no ambition.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 25^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

It's what happens when you de-industrialize a country and replace a productive economy with a fake services economy that runs off a continual growth in debt and immigration. Just take a look a what everyone is doing these days. All I see is rows of coffee shops with people sitting inside talking poo to each other ! What do these people actually do ? If they are not on a pension I bet they are not involved in making things.  I bet they are working in useless businesses like energy retailers and micky mouse marketing or real estate scumbags. Just sh.t that pollies like to boast about here. For a country like Australia we should be building the biggest solar plants and feeding that power into the grid. It's not as though we are short of land or sunshine. Just crap rubbish lawyer scum governments people keep voting in that have no ambition.

You're right Nail.
I want to see the politicians put in jail for criminal negligence.

People will die from this especially the old & frail.

I hope they don't do it here (again) cause mum is on oxygen and needs power to run the machine

Spot

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 25^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

It's what happens when you de-industrialize a country and replace a productive economy with a fake services economy that runs off a continual growth in debt and immigration.

The Keating factor?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 25^th, 2019 at 12:13pm:

I hope they don't do it here (again) cause mum is on oxygen and needs power to run the machine Spot

I hope she's OK?

When will  Lily D'Ambrosio tell us what happened with the generators at Hazelwood?

Here she was on TV yesterday -
taking no responsibility herself as
as the Minister for Energy, Environment, and Climate Change, and Minister for Solar Homes in the Andrews Labor Government.

https://i.ibb.co/vQWR3WZ/lilylights.jpg


I think 3 generators were not working due to maintenance.
Why would they be doing that in summer when they are most needed?

How many traffic lights were out?
How many accidents happened due to that?
What were the deaths or injuries.

Did anyone lose their life due to the power blackouts?

Nothing on the news about what really happened.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:25am:

When will  Lily D'Ambrosio tell us what happened with the generators at Hazelwood? Here she was on TV yesterday - taking no responsibility herself as as the Minister for Energy, Environment, and Climate Change, and Minister for Solar Homes in the Andrews Labor Government. https://i.ibb.co/vQWR3WZ/lilylights.jpg I think 3 generators were not working due to maintenance. Why would they be doing that in summer when they are most needed? How many traffic lights were out? How many accidents happened due to that? What were the deaths or injuries. Did anyone lose their life due to the power blackouts? Nothing on the news about what really happened.

The reason why because they offloaded all of their responsibility onto private enterprise instead of doing a job that we pay them to do !!

Power production in Vic at 10.40am

2918 MW from Brown Coal
979 MW from Gas
241 MW from Hydro
144 MW large solar
493 MW small solar
0 MW from Wind

https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:41am:

Power production in Vic at 10.40am 2918 MW from Brown Coal 979 MW from Gas 241 MW from Hydro 144 MW large solar 493 MW small solar 0 MW from Wind https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/

Simple solution is to build more solar !! What's the problem ?

Quote:

Portland smelter, 60,000 Victorian homes face power cuts as AEMO hits brakes Alcoa Australia's Portland smelter was hit with a second mandatory power curb in two days on Friday and about 60,000 homes and businesses faced two hours of rolling power cuts as Melbourne sweltered in 42 degree heat. The Australian Energy Market Operator ordered mandatory load shedding of about 100 megawatts from the Portland smelter from 1pm AEDT and 200 MW from about 60,000 customers across a vast swathe of Melbourne suburbs from midday as the power system struggled to plug a supply gap of about 400 megawatts with about 2000 MW of thermal generation offline. AEMO chief executive Audrey Zibelman told ABC Radio the market operator was banking on an early cool change coming in around 2.30pm to ease the power crisis but she said it was a "very dynamic situation" and "changing constantly". During a second day of extreme heat in Victoria, two units of EnergyAustralia's Yallourn brown coal power station in Victoria, and units of AGL Energy's Loy Yang A brown coal plant in Victoria and Liddell coal plant in NSW were offline along with EA's Tallawarra gas plant n NSW The power crunch entered a second day with demand in Victoria soaring above 10,000 MW during the extreme heat which was expected to reach 44 degrees in Melbourne and 47 degrees in Mildura in the state's arid northwest. Related Quotes ASTAusnet Services Limited $1.67 +0.01 (+0.60%) 1 year 1 day Jan 18 Jul 18 Jan 19 1.550 1.600 1.650 1.700 Updated: 25 Jan 2019 — 6:50 PM View AST related articles Suburbs affected stretched right across Melbourne from Cranbourne in the city's southeast and Rowville in the east to Kalkallo in the north, Corio in southwest and the town of Castlemaine north of Melbourne. A sweltering 24 hours has already seen more than 45,000 homes in Victoria and South Australia without power at some stage due to extreme heat stress on the electricity grid and other reasons. Temperatures in SA eased on Friday and the state wasn't expecting any further power cuts. AEMO ordered "load shedding" - mandatory power cuts - just after 12pm AEDT after earlier activating its Reliability and Emergency Reserve Trader (RERT) program, under which it asks large power users and retailers to curb their usage and send power back to the grid to plug a shortfall in supply of about 400 MW. Alcoa acknowledged it could again have to reduce the power to its potlines, a situation they can only endure for an hour or so before freezing up: "AEMO has asked Alcoa Portland Aluminium to be on standby under the RERT this afternoon. AEMO operational control will decide whether this request is activated." Ageing plants The failure of so many thermal power stations exacerbated the shortage of wind generation in SA on Thursday and underlined the vulnerability of ageing plants to extreme heat. A second 370 MW unit unit at EnergyAustralia's Yallourn plant went offline early Friday for repairs to a boiler tube. The utility had kept the unit in operation at reduced capacity through the worst of Thursday's grid crisis after discovering the fault on Wednesday, but finally had to take it offline because the condition of the tube leak deteriorated, a spokesman said. "We will be assessing the unit throughout the day," he said. "At this stage it's unclear when it can return to service". EA is working to return the other Yallourn unit to service next week. it is also struggling to return its 435 MW in NSW Tallawarra gas plant to service. A spokesman for AGL said the company expected to be able to return the offline Liddell and Loy Yang A units to service within a few days. On Thursday chief executive Audrey Zibelman said AEMO had about 400 MW of available capacity under the RERT, and could call on another 400 MW or so from the Portland smelter, which is Victoria's largest customer. Portland Aluminium had been ordered to cut back for about two hours on Thursday evening as the power grid struggled to maintain supply during the heat, which saw record temperatures in Adelaide and surging energy demand, and faces the possibility of further outages on Friday. It was the second day running that AEMO had to activate the rarely used RERT scheme to plug gaps in supply. Last week the market operator and market participants mobilised extra capacity to avert forced power cuts on three days of extreme heat across NSW, SA and Victoria. On Thursday this week about 20,000 homes in Victoria lost power at some stage on Thursday and overnight as temperatures soared above 40 degrees during the day stayed in the mid-to-low 30s until the early hours of Friday morning.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:40am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:25am: When will  Lily D'Ambrosio tell us what happened with the generators at Hazelwood? Here she was on TV yesterday - taking no responsibility herself as as the Minister for Energy, Environment, and Climate Change, and Minister for Solar Homes in the Andrews Labor Government. https://i.ibb.co/vQWR3WZ/lilylights.jpg I think 3 generators were not working due to maintenance. Why would they be doing that in summer when they are most needed? How many traffic lights were out? How many accidents happened due to that? What were the deaths or injuries. Did anyone lose their life due to the power blackouts? Nothing on the news about what really happened. The reason why because they offloaded all of their responsibility onto private enterprise instead of doing a job that we pay them to do !!

Lily D'Ambrosio is a spin doctor - typical behaviour for a polly.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:47am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:41am: Power production in Vic at 10.40am 2918 MW from Brown Coal 979 MW from Gas 241 MW from Hydro 144 MW large solar 493 MW small solar 0 MW from Wind https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/ Simple solution is to build more solar !! What's the problem ?

Cost and Toxic waste from Solar panels along with the fact solar doesn't work at night.

Stop smoking the stuff Elon smokes and educate yourself.

https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=Sq5LXL2ZOpnRrQGa9qaYBg&q=solar+panel+toxic+waste&oq=solar+panel+toxic+&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0l2j0i22i30l2.1365.6837..9148...0.0..0.260.3064.0j14j4......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131.KAUsUKY4WQI

Quote:

A spokesperson for Citipower/PowerCor/United Energy, whose distribution areas cover most of western Victoria, Melbourne suburbs and the Mornington Peninsula, said 16,900 customers had lost power in the previous 24 hours but the number was down to a few hundred by Friday morning. Jemena, which covers part of Melbourne's western suburbs, said about 2,500 customers had lost power at some stage with all but about 150 restored by Friday morning. Grid at breaking point AusNet Services, which ordered the Portland smelter to cut its power use between about 7.10 pm and 8.50 pm on Thursday after being told to shed power load urgently by AEMO, did not detail its residential outages in its coverage area of eastern Victoria. Most of the residential outages were due to heat stress, damaged underground cables and business as usual issues such as animals or fallen branches on power lines. The Portland smelter outage - which Alcoa complained was involuntary and not under its voluntary agreement with AEMO - was due to a slack of supply in the power grid as the extreme heat pushed demand beyond expectations in Victoria and South Australia. The grid has been pushed to breaking point in southeastern Victoria by unscheduled plant failures at coal and gas power stations operated by EnergyAustralia and AGL Energy, and poor wind generation in SA during Thursday's oppressive heat which broke records in Adelaide and other SA towns. Most of the 25,000 homes in Adelaide's western suburbs which were without power last night after localised problems with transformers after blistering heat, had electricity supplies restored by 8.30am. SA Power Networks, the company which runs the poles and wires infrastructure in the state, said about 1,000 customers across the state were without power at 8.30am. SA Power Networks said blown fuses on transformers in localised areas had been behind the localised outages on Thursday night. The temperature had still been 35 degrees at 10pm, before as cool change arrived. Reliable power generation The western suburb of Fulham Gardens was the worst affected, with up to 15,000 households without power because of a fault in a sub-station. It comes as the ALP's spokesman on energy, Tom Koutsantonis, said Premier Steven Marshall should immediately halt plans to privatise the back-up diesel generators which AEMO ordered be turned on at 5.30pm on Thursday to inject extra power into the national grid because of supply shortfalls in Victoria. Mr Koutsantonis and then Premier Jay Weatherill were behind a $550 million package of energy infrastructure measures in 2017 to bolster the fragile SA grid, with the back-up diesel generators part of that plan. Thursday marked the first time they had been used in a commercial setting. One of the banks of large diesel generators is located at the former Holden car-making plant in Adelaide's northern suburbs. Federal energy minister Angus Taylor said the conditions experienced over the last two weeks reinforce the need for investment in reliable generation. "That is why the Government is backing in new reliable generation investment through its Underwriting New Generation Investments program and the Retailer Reliability Obligation," he said.

https://www.afr.com/news/victoria-faces-more-power-outages-as-extreme-heat-hits-45000-victorian-sa-homes-20190125-h1agxf

Thanks Nail,

Ageing plants

Quote:

The failure of so many thermal power stations exacerbated the shortage of wind generation in SA on Thursday and underlined the vulnerability of ageing plants to extreme heat. A second 370 MW unit unit at EnergyAustralia's Yallourn plant went offline early Friday for repairs to a boiler tube. The utility had kept the unit in operation at reduced capacity through the worst of Thursday's grid crisis after discovering the fault on Wednesday, but finally had to take it offline because the condition of the tube leak deteriorated, a spokesman said.

All old aging junk and no one is responsible.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:49am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:47am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:41am: Power production in Vic at 10.40am 2918 MW from Brown Coal 979 MW from Gas 241 MW from Hydro 144 MW large solar 493 MW small solar 0 MW from Wind https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/ Simple solution is to build more solar !! What's the problem ? Cost and Toxic waste from Solar panels along with the fact solar doesn't work at night. Stop smoking the stuff Elon smokes and educate yourself. https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=Sq5LXL2ZOpnRrQGa9qaYBg&q=solar+panel+toxic+waste&oq=solar+panel+toxic+&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0l2j0i22i30l2.1365.6837..9148...0.0..0.260.3064.0j14j4......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131.KAUsUKY4WQI

Try mirrors and molten salts which also works at night ;)

After poisoning the Murray Darling river with your greed you've got a cheek to talk about toxic waste from solar panels. :D LOL

What a joke the LNP is. Always busy convincing everyone else not to do anything instead of doing the job that needs to be done :(

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:54am:

Thanks Nail, Ageing plants Quote: The failure of so many thermal power stations exacerbated the shortage of wind generation in SA on Thursday and underlined the vulnerability of ageing plants to extreme heat. A second 370 MW unit unit at EnergyAustralia's Yallourn plant went offline early Friday for repairs to a boiler tube. The utility had kept the unit in operation at reduced capacity through the worst of Thursday's grid crisis after discovering the fault on Wednesday, but finally had to take it offline because the condition of the tube leak deteriorated, a spokesman said. All old aging junk and no one is responsible.

They privatized it thinking that private enterprise was going to maintain it :D LOL

Hey Bobby

I think energy corporations have an easy way out now.

ENGIE ran Hazelwood which required $400 million dollar upgrade to meet new pollution standards.

So ENGIE being the environmentally friendly corporation that it is closed Hazelwood stating that,

"Making climate policy a priority"

Easy way out no one will question a friend of the environment who shuts down a power station with old technology.

Hands up those that think corporations really do give 2 cents about the environment over profits......?

Ajax wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:01am:

Hey Bobby I think energy corporations have an easy way out now. ENGIE ran Hazelwood which required $400 million dollar upgrade to meet new pollution standards. So ENGIE being the environmentally friendly corporation that it is closed Hazelwood stating that, "Making climate policy a priority" Easy way out no one will question a friend of the environment who shuts down a power station with old technology. Hands up those that think corporations really do give 2 cents about the environment over profits......?

Hazelwood was run into the ground by a French company.
They wrung the last penny out of it and then ran away with loot.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:54am: Thanks Nail, Ageing plants Quote: The failure of so many thermal power stations exacerbated the shortage of wind generation in SA on Thursday and underlined the vulnerability of ageing plants to extreme heat. A second 370 MW unit unit at EnergyAustralia's Yallourn plant went offline early Friday for repairs to a boiler tube. The utility had kept the unit in operation at reduced capacity through the worst of Thursday's grid crisis after discovering the fault on Wednesday, but finally had to take it offline because the condition of the tube leak deteriorated, a spokesman said. All old aging junk and no one is responsible. They privatized it thinking that private enterprise was going to maintain it :D LOL

Essential services should never be sold to private companies.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:54am: Thanks Nail, Ageing plants Quote: The failure of so many thermal power stations exacerbated the shortage of wind generation in SA on Thursday and underlined the vulnerability of ageing plants to extreme heat. A second 370 MW unit unit at EnergyAustralia's Yallourn plant went offline early Friday for repairs to a boiler tube. The utility had kept the unit in operation at reduced capacity through the worst of Thursday's grid crisis after discovering the fault on Wednesday, but finally had to take it offline because the condition of the tube leak deteriorated, a spokesman said. All old aging junk and no one is responsible. They privatized it thinking that private enterprise was going to maintain it :D LOL

I agree.

But corporation don't maintain rather they let it run to the ground before essential maintenance is required.

Boilers and such should be monitored and maintained at least a few times a year every year from my experience.

Not only when they break down.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:04am:

Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:01am: Hey Bobby I think energy corporations have an easy way out now. ENGIE ran Hazelwood which required $400 million dollar upgrade to meet new pollution standards. So ENGIE being the environmentally friendly corporation that it is closed Hazelwood stating that, "Making climate policy a priority" Easy way out no one will question a friend of the environment who shuts down a power station with old technology. Hands up those that think corporations really do give 2 cents about the environment over profits......? Hazelwood was run into the ground by a French company. They wrung the last penny out of it and then ran away with loot.

Yep that's what we should expect to happen with every major infrastructure in this country.

They will squeeze the life out of it and then head for the hills with the loot.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:04am:

Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:01am: Hey Bobby I think energy corporations have an easy way out now. ENGIE ran Hazelwood which required $400 million dollar upgrade to meet new pollution standards. So ENGIE being the environmentally friendly corporation that it is closed Hazelwood stating that, "Making climate policy a priority" Easy way out no one will question a friend of the environment who shuts down a power station with old technology. Hands up those that think corporations really do give 2 cents about the environment over profits......? Hazelwood was run into the ground by a French company. They wrung the last penny out of it and then ran away with loot.

Like telecommunications, privatization of the electricity supply has been a monumental failure :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:50am:

Quote: A spokesperson for Citipower/PowerCor/United Energy, whose distribution areas cover most of western Victoria, Melbourne suburbs and the Mornington Peninsula, said 16,900 customers had lost power in the previous 24 hours but the number was down to a few hundred by Friday morning. Jemena, which covers part of Melbourne's western suburbs, said about 2,500 customers had lost power at some stage with all but about 150 restored by Friday morning. Grid at breaking point AusNet Services, which ordered the Portland smelter to cut its power use between about 7.10 pm and 8.50 pm on Thursday after being told to shed power load urgently by AEMO, did not detail its residential outages in its coverage area of eastern Victoria. Most of the residential outages were due to heat stress, damaged underground cables and business as usual issues such as animals or fallen branches on power lines. The Portland smelter outage - which Alcoa complained was involuntary and not under its voluntary agreement with AEMO - was due to a slack of supply in the power grid as the extreme heat pushed demand beyond expectations in Victoria and South Australia. The grid has been pushed to breaking point in southeastern Victoria by unscheduled plant failures at coal and gas power stations operated by EnergyAustralia and AGL Energy, and poor wind generation in SA during Thursday's oppressive heat which broke records in Adelaide and other SA towns. Most of the 25,000 homes in Adelaide's western suburbs which were without power last night after localised problems with transformers after blistering heat, had electricity supplies restored by 8.30am. SA Power Networks, the company which runs the poles and wires infrastructure in the state, said about 1,000 customers across the state were without power at 8.30am. SA Power Networks said blown fuses on transformers in localised areas had been behind the localised outages on Thursday night. The temperature had still been 35 degrees at 10pm, before as cool change arrived. Reliable power generation The western suburb of Fulham Gardens was the worst affected, with up to 15,000 households without power because of a fault in a sub-station. It comes as the ALP's spokesman on energy, Tom Koutsantonis, said Premier Steven Marshall should immediately halt plans to privatise the back-up diesel generators which AEMO ordered be turned on at 5.30pm on Thursday to inject extra power into the national grid because of supply shortfalls in Victoria. Mr Koutsantonis and then Premier Jay Weatherill were behind a $550 million package of energy infrastructure measures in 2017 to bolster the fragile SA grid, with the back-up diesel generators part of that plan. Thursday marked the first time they had been used in a commercial setting. One of the banks of large diesel generators is located at the former Holden car-making plant in Adelaide's northern suburbs. Federal energy minister Angus Taylor said the conditions experienced over the last two weeks reinforce the need for investment in reliable generation. "That is why the Government is backing in new reliable generation investment through its Underwriting New Generation Investments program and the Retailer Reliability Obligation," he said. https://www.afr.com/news/victoria-faces-more-power-outages-as-extreme-heat-hits-45000-victorian-sa-homes-20190125-h1agxf

Animals on power lines, does anyone believe this BS?


The government is saying renewables aren't reliable and we need reliable sources of electricity, Nuclear is cleaner compared to diesel and reliable it can also provide cheap off peak power so people can run their AC on hot nights.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:57am:

Try mirrors and molten salts which also works at night

"Excess thermal energy is stored in the molten salt and can be used to generate power for up to ten hours, including during the evening hours and when direct sunlight is not available"

"Crescent Dunes began operation in September 2015,[14] but went off-line in October 2016 due to a leak in a molten salt tank. It returned to operation in July 2017.[15] While its average monthly production was expected to exceed 40,000 MWh, as of October 2018 it only exceeded half of that value during 8 months."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_Dunes_Solar_Energy_Project


Las Vegas has about 13 hours of sun in July. So at least 11 hours of dark.

Ajax wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:04am: Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:01am: Hey Bobby I think energy corporations have an easy way out now. ENGIE ran Hazelwood which required $400 million dollar upgrade to meet new pollution standards. So ENGIE being the environmentally friendly corporation that it is closed Hazelwood stating that, "Making climate policy a priority" Easy way out no one will question a friend of the environment who shuts down a power station with old technology. Hands up those that think corporations really do give 2 cents about the environment over profits......? Hazelwood was run into the ground by a French company. They wrung the last penny out of it and then ran away with the loot. Yep that's what we should expect to happen with every major infrastructure in this country. They will squeeze the life out of it and then head for the hills with the loot.

Yes - what can you expect from a limited liability company?

They made a fortune out of us and ran away.
They don't care about us now.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:18am:

Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:08am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:04am: Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:01am: Hey Bobby I think energy corporations have an easy way out now. ENGIE ran Hazelwood which required $400 million dollar upgrade to meet new pollution standards. So ENGIE being the environmentally friendly corporation that it is closed Hazelwood stating that, "Making climate policy a priority" Easy way out no one will question a friend of the environment who shuts down a power station with old technology. Hands up those that think corporations really do give 2 cents about the environment over profits......? Hazelwood was run into the ground by a French company. They wrung the last penny out of it and then ran away with the loot. Yep that's what we should expect to happen with every major infrastructure in this country. They will squeeze the life out of it and then head for the hills with the loot. Yes - what can you expect from a limited liability company? They made a fortune out of us and ran away. They don't care about us now.

The power companies make more money from renewables, the subsidies offered make it far more attractive.

How about cutting all subsidies then the cheapest forms of power will win.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:18am: Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:08am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:04am: Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:01am: Hey Bobby I think energy corporations have an easy way out now. ENGIE ran Hazelwood which required $400 million dollar upgrade to meet new pollution standards. So ENGIE being the environmentally friendly corporation that it is closed Hazelwood stating that, "Making climate policy a priority" Easy way out no one will question a friend of the environment who shuts down a power station with old technology. Hands up those that think corporations really do give 2 cents about the environment over profits......? Hazelwood was run into the ground by a French company. They wrung the last penny out of it and then ran away with the loot. Yep that's what we should expect to happen with every major infrastructure in this country. They will squeeze the life out of it and then head for the hills with the loot. Yes - what can you expect from a limited liability company? They made a fortune out of us and ran away. They don't care about us now. The power companies make more money from renewables, the subsidies offered make it far more attractive. How about cutting all subsidies then the cheapest forms of power will win.

I'm sure that Lily D'Ambrosio will sort it all out.  :-[

Quote:

Minister for Energy, Environment, and Climate Change, and Minister for Solar Homes in the Andrews Labor Government.

http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/what-caused-the-blackouts-in-melbourne-and-do-victorians-need-to-get-used-to-power-cuts/529137


What caused the blackouts in Melbourne, and do Victorians need to get used to power cuts?

By Dan Harrison, Saturday January 26, 2019 - 12:34 EDT


At the same time, three electricity generation units at coal-fired power plants in the Latrobe Valley were out of action (two due to unexpected outages, one due to planned maintenance) which reduced the amount of available power.

To make matters worse, the hot weather reduced the efficiency of the coal-fired power stations that remained online, further reducing the available supply of electricity.

These problems removed about 1,800 megawatts of electricity from the grid.


Did the closure of the Hazelwood power station contribute to the situation?

Victorian Opposition Leader Michael O'Brien said on Friday Labor's policies had led to Hazelwood's closure, and the Coalition had warned this would leave the state exposed.

Hazelwood's closure in 2017 removed 1600 megawatts from Victoria's supply, but associate professor Liebman says this was an economic decision by its owners in a market that had more than enough power supply.

Mr McConnell said Hazelwood's closure had "not particularly" contributed to the power shortage in Victoria because the state had enough power without it, at least on paper.

He said were it not for the two unplanned outages at other Latrobe Valley plants, coupled with the extreme weather conditions, supply would have been sufficient.

"If you had a heatwave and one of those units failing, we would have been fine," he said.

"Or if we had two of the units failing, but it was not a heatwave, it would have been fine.

"The combination of all three meant that it was going to be a difficult day."


Ms D'Ambrosio said most of the 1800 megawatts of power capacity lost in the state on Friday was due to infrastructure failures in the state's coal and gas-fired power stations.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 10:49am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:47am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:41am: Power production in Vic at 10.40am 2918 MW from Brown Coal 979 MW from Gas 241 MW from Hydro 144 MW large solar 493 MW small solar 0 MW from Wind https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/ Simple solution is to build more solar !! What's the problem ? Cost and Toxic waste from Solar panels along with the fact solar doesn't work at night. Stop smoking the stuff Elon smokes and educate yourself. https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=Sq5LXL2ZOpnRrQGa9qaYBg&q=solar+panel+toxic+waste&oq=solar+panel+toxic+&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0l2j0i22i30l2.1365.6837..9148...0.0..0.260.3064.0j14j4......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131.KAUsUKY4WQI

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jun/04/the-latest-weak-attacks-on-evs-and-solar-panels
Efforts to undermine solar power
The first salvo came via a Forbes article written by Michael Shellenberger, who’s running a doomed campaign for California governor and really loves nuclear power. Shellenberger’s critique focused on the problem of potential waste at the end of a solar panel lifespan when the modules must be disposed or recycled. It’s a somewhat ironic concern from a proponent of nuclear power, which has a rather bigger toxic waste problem.
About 80% of a solar panel module can be recycled, but some portions cannot, and create potentially hazardous waste due to the presence of metals like cadmium and lead. The Electric Power Research Institute notes that long-term storage of used panels until recycling technologies become available may be the best option for dealing with this waste stream. Ultimately, it’s an issue that will need to be addressed as solar panels become more widespread and reach the end of their 25-plus year lifespan, much like the issue of nuclear waste. But it’s an issue that we should be able to resolve with smart policies and technologies.
Shellenberger also raised concerns about the possibility “that cadmium can be washed out of solar modules by rainwater.” But that’s only a problem for broken panels, which are relatively rare except perhaps in the wake a natural disaster like a hurricane or earthquake. In a disaster area, leaching of metals from some broken solar panels is the least of a city’s problems.

In short, it’s valid to note that end-of-life solar panel recycling and disposal is an issue that we’ll have to address smartly, but unlike climate change, it’s not a big or urgent concern

wow its not like u Baron to just post stuff up without finding the source and weather it scaremongering or truth :) ;)

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:11am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:50am: Quote: A spokesperson for Citipower/PowerCor/United Energy, whose distribution areas cover most of western Victoria, Melbourne suburbs and the Mornington Peninsula, said 16,900 customers had lost power in the previous 24 hours but the number was down to a few hundred by Friday morning. Jemena, which covers part of Melbourne's western suburbs, said about 2,500 customers had lost power at some stage with all but about 150 restored by Friday morning. Grid at breaking point AusNet Services, which ordered the Portland smelter to cut its power use between about 7.10 pm and 8.50 pm on Thursday after being told to shed power load urgently by AEMO, did not detail its residential outages in its coverage area of eastern Victoria. Most of the residential outages were due to heat stress, damaged underground cables and business as usual issues such as animals or fallen branches on power lines. The Portland smelter outage - which Alcoa complained was involuntary and not under its voluntary agreement with AEMO - was due to a slack of supply in the power grid as the extreme heat pushed demand beyond expectations in Victoria and South Australia. The grid has been pushed to breaking point in southeastern Victoria by unscheduled plant failures at coal and gas power stations operated by EnergyAustralia and AGL Energy, and poor wind generation in SA during Thursday's oppressive heat which broke records in Adelaide and other SA towns. Most of the 25,000 homes in Adelaide's western suburbs which were without power last night after localised problems with transformers after blistering heat, had electricity supplies restored by 8.30am. SA Power Networks, the company which runs the poles and wires infrastructure in the state, said about 1,000 customers across the state were without power at 8.30am. SA Power Networks said blown fuses on transformers in localised areas had been behind the localised outages on Thursday night. The temperature had still been 35 degrees at 10pm, before as cool change arrived. Reliable power generation The western suburb of Fulham Gardens was the worst affected, with up to 15,000 households without power because of a fault in a sub-station. It comes as the ALP's spokesman on energy, Tom Koutsantonis, said Premier Steven Marshall should immediately halt plans to privatise the back-up diesel generators which AEMO ordered be turned on at 5.30pm on Thursday to inject extra power into the national grid because of supply shortfalls in Victoria. Mr Koutsantonis and then Premier Jay Weatherill were behind a $550 million package of energy infrastructure measures in 2017 to bolster the fragile SA grid, with the back-up diesel generators part of that plan. Thursday marked the first time they had been used in a commercial setting. One of the banks of large diesel generators is located at the former Holden car-making plant in Adelaide's northern suburbs. Federal energy minister Angus Taylor said the conditions experienced over the last two weeks reinforce the need for investment in reliable generation. "That is why the Government is backing in new reliable generation investment through its Underwriting New Generation Investments program and the Retailer Reliability Obligation," he said. https://www.afr.com/news/victoria-faces-more-power-outages-as-extreme-heat-hits-45000-victorian-sa-homes-20190125-h1agxf Animals on power lines, does anyone believe this BS? The government is saying renewables aren't reliable and we need reliable sources of electricity, Nuclear is cleaner compared to diesel and reliable it can also provide cheap off peak power so people can run their AC on hot nights.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1024&bih=514&ei=f7ZMXNSoE4j39QOEg6mQCA&q=animals+causing+blackouts&oq=animals+causing+blackouts&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i21j33i160.625658.633769..633991...0.0..0.1045.18308.6-16j4......0....1..gws-wiz.......35i39j0i131j0j0i67j0i22i30j33i22i29i30.4bL3pkrF1ME
worldwide animals cause blackouts, so yes it happens Baron (thanks for the idea of using Google searches) ;)

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:13am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:57am: Try mirrors and molten salts which also works at night "Excess thermal energy is stored in the molten salt and can be used to generate power for up to ten hours, including during the evening hours and when direct sunlight is not available" "Crescent Dunes began operation in September 2015,[14] but went off-line in October 2016 due to a leak in a molten salt tank. It returned to operation in July 2017.[15] While its average monthly production was expected to exceed 40,000 MWh, as of October 2018 it only exceeded half of that value during 8 months." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_Dunes_Solar_Energy_Project Las Vegas has about 13 hours of sun in July. So at least 11 hours of dark.

But don't they use that power right after dark during the peak usage time  ;)

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:18am: Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:08am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:04am: Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:01am: Hey Bobby I think energy corporations have an easy way out now. ENGIE ran Hazelwood which required $400 million dollar upgrade to meet new pollution standards. So ENGIE being the environmentally friendly corporation that it is closed Hazelwood stating that, "Making climate policy a priority" Easy way out no one will question a friend of the environment who shuts down a power station with old technology. Hands up those that think corporations really do give 2 cents about the environment over profits......? Hazelwood was run into the ground by a French company. They wrung the last penny out of it and then ran away with the loot. Yep that's what we should expect to happen with every major infrastructure in this country. They will squeeze the life out of it and then head for the hills with the loot. Yes - what can you expect from a limited liability company? They made a fortune out of us and ran away. They don't care about us now. The power companies make more money from renewables, the subsidies offered make it far more attractive. How about cutting all subsidies then the cheapest forms of power will win.

do u include all the tax breaks that fossil fuel companies get and exploration companies finding fossil fuels (we r talking billions of dollars each year)
Sure level the playing field i say take away all incentives ,subsidies and tax breaks and make it all equal and see what happens :).....what breaks has adani for instance had to entice them to build.... free water.....incentives
So yes find all the hidden benefits that these industries have gotten over the years get rid of them all and see the results  ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 6:05am:

do u include all the tax breaks that fossil fuel companies get and exploration companies finding fossil fuels (we r talking billions of dollars each year) Sure level the playing field i say take away all incentives ,subsidies and tax breaks and make it all equal and see what happens :).....what breaks has adani for instance had to entice them to build.... free water.....incentives So yes find all the hidden benefits that these industries have gotten over the years get rid of them all and see the results  ;)

What results do you want to see?

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 6:05am:

Sure level the playing field i say take away all incentives ,subsidies and tax breaks and make it all equal and see what happens

Which "tax breaks" would they be? Depreciation? Then they would claim all of that up front and pay no tax for many more years.

Exploration costs? You must tell us what you mean.

Does that then mean they no longer pay royalties to the states?