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Message started by Yadda on Jan 24th, 2019 at 8:52pm

Title: 'Collective punishment', what moslems always compl
Post by Yadda on Jan 24th, 2019 at 8:52pm

'Collective punishment', what moslems often/always complain about,
when any non-moslem is critical of what 'extremists' moslems do !




"Do not seek to punish us, or to associate us, with them!
Those 'extremist' moslems, are the extremists.
Not us!
We are the peaceful followers of ISLAM!!"







'Collective punishment',      the punishment which mainstream ISLAM always demands, be visited upon any random 'disbeliever'.



Quote:

By Robert Spencer on Jan 23, 2019

Mali: Muslims murder 10 Chadian UN peacekeepers in revenge for Chad-Israel ties


The murdered Chadians had nothing to do with Chad’s ties with Israel, but that made no difference to these jihad murderers.

While Muslim spokesmen in the West frequently whine about being held responsible for acts they did not commit (which rarely, if ever, happens in reality), jihadists frequently operate on the basis of the idea of collective responsibility.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/01/mali-muslims-murder-10-chadian-un-peacekeepers-in-revenge-for-chad-israel-ties



For the follower of ISLAM....

'collective responsibility' = = there is no good infidel.

Not one.

Every infidel [a disbeliever], is rightly deserving of death, at the hand of the believer.

Killing a [random] disbeliever, is always a 'good work'.



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PROVEN IN THE WORLD ?

THE 'ATTITUDE' AND BEHAVIOUR, OF THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM, TODAY,

TOWARDS ANYONE WHO 'IDENTIFIES' AS BEING     NOT    BEING A BELIEVER ?


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A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.


Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005


......In public interviews         Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.



Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”



these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts




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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;


Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4



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"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."   [n.b. IS NOT A BELIEVER!!]
Koran 5.51


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29



Even if a moslem, decides to follow a path, other than ISLAM ?  ------ >

Death.

"Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-"
Koran 4.88, 89




Title: Re: 'Collective punishment', what moslems always compl
Post by freediver on Jan 25th, 2019 at 12:23pm
Gandalf will concede that Muhammad engaged in collective punishment of Jews. But only in the sense that "the collective was punished". He refuses to accept the term collective punishment because apparently the term itself (rather than the act) has negative connotations.

Title: Re: 'Collective punishment', what moslems always compl
Post by Yadda on Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:36pm

WHAT ISLAMIC DOCTRINE TEACHES, TO THE BELIEVERS....


1/ Followers of ISLAM = = good, virtuous, innocent people,      collectively.

2/ 'Disbelievers' = = bad, filthy, perverts, and, they are to be treated as sub-human,      collectively.

....can you say Armenian Genocide ?




The virtuous people.....

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110



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The ummah [the worldwide moslem community] are a closed community [in law, i.e. in ISLAMIC law].

To ISLAMIC law [to good moslems!], those persons outside the ummah have the legal status of 'cattle'.

Those outside the ummah [non-moslems] can live, while they are 'useful' to moslems, but they have no 'protection' [in law, i.e. within ISLAMIC law].


as per....
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11



All disbelievers are sub-humans, 'legally',      [aka, 'the worst of creatures'  - google it].



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Moslems are not like us.

All moslems are moslems.

FACT
"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men.

Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."




Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA
DUCKDUCKGO.COM



'It is written.'

It is so.










Title: Re: 'Collective punishment', what moslems always compl
Post by Bias_2012 on Jan 26th, 2019 at 1:54am
"If Sharia says unbelievers should be killed, then they should be killed" - wise Muslim

https://youtu.be/5TvsaOC3v38

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