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Message started by Sir lastnail on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:22pm

Title: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:22pm
Doesn't look like socko's posts of Tesla wrecks and car accidents has had any impact on Israel's decision to go all electric by 2030 !

Australia will probably be the last to phase them out because they like running their old clunkers for as long as they can whilst in other countries this is entirely illegal !




Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by DonDeeHippy on Jan 17th, 2019 at 5:16am
Australia would much rather get boat load after boat load of oil from the Middle East instead  ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:10pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
Doesn't look like socko's posts of Tesla wrecks and car accidents has had any impact on Israel's decision to go all electric by 2030 !

Australia will probably be the last to phase them out because they like running their old clunkers for as long as they can whilst in other countries this is entirely illegal !


Link or did you pluck that from your ass?

Gaza to Lebanon is around 170 KM so it's not like the Israelis drive long distances.

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Bobby on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:29pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
Doesn't look like socko's posts of Tesla wrecks and car accidents has had any impact on Israel's decision to go all electric by 2030 !

Australia will probably be the last to phase them out because they like running their old clunkers for as long as they can whilst in other countries this is entirely illegal !



dear sir Nail,
in Australia - we follow - we don't lead.

We do what the multinationals tell us to do.
If they say make cars that need petrol
& make them out of heavy steel to be as
inefficient as possible -
then that's what we do.


PS.
cars made out of light aircraft aluminium in Australia = zero.

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:35pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
Doesn't look like socko's posts of Tesla wrecks and car accidents has had any impact on Israel's decision to go all electric by 2030 !

Australia will probably be the last to phase them out because they like running their old clunkers for as long as they can whilst in other countries this is entirely illegal !


Link or did you pluck that from your ass?

Gaza to Lebanon is around 170 KM so it's not like the Israelis drive long distances.


It was on the drive segment of the Money show on channel 95 last night. Don't shoot the messenger just because you don't want it to be so !

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
Doesn't look like socko's posts of Tesla wrecks and car accidents has had any impact on Israel's decision to go all electric by 2030 !

Australia will probably be the last to phase them out because they like running their old clunkers for as long as they can whilst in other countries this is entirely illegal !



dear sir Nail,
in Australia - we follow - we don't lead.

We do what the multinationals tell us to do.
If they say make cars that need petrol
& make them out of heavy steel to be as
inefficient as possible -
then that's what we do.


PS.
cars made out of light aircraft aluminium in Australia = zero.


dumb as dogshit here. Only good at racking up debt flipping old houses and making cups of coffee. How could you expect anymore from this lot of low achievers :(

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:52pm
Are you in Australia? That makes you one of the low achievers. ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:57pm

lee wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
Are you in Australia? That makes you one of the low achievers. ;)


being an LNP supporter makes one a low achiever as is evidence by the shite that you lot post on this forum.

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by .JaSin. on Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:05pm
It's true.
Australia shows about as much originality as an aboriginal.

Anyone who wants to innovate has to go overseas to succeed.
This nation is like a used car handed down by the British and driven by Americans.


Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:41pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:57pm:
being an LNP supporter makes one a low achiever as is evidence by the shite that you lot post on this forum.



You mean the stuff you can't refute? Now that's a low achiever.  Unless you actually agree with me.;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:04pm

lee wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:57pm:
being an LNP supporter makes one a low achiever as is evidence by the shite that you lot post on this forum.



You mean the stuff you can't refute? Now that's a low achiever.  Unless you actually agree with me.;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


You're an idiot !

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:33pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:04pm:
You're an idiot !



Oh Good come back. Certainly shows the intelligence of a "low achiever".  ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:39pm
You're an idiot !

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:47pm
Oh repetition. Are you a lackwit? ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:48pm
You're an idiot !

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:58pm
Sadly it seems the answer is in the affirmative.

Bye

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by DonDeeHippy on Jan 18th, 2019 at 5:25am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
Doesn't look like socko's posts of Tesla wrecks and car accidents has had any impact on Israel's decision to go all electric by 2030 !

Australia will probably be the last to phase them out because they like running their old clunkers for as long as they can whilst in other countries this is entirely illegal !


Link or did you pluck that from your ass?

Gaza to Lebanon is around 170 KM so it's not like the Israelis drive long distances.

still they buy 250,000 new vehicles a year and Australia does 1.1 million so that's still a substantial amount.....

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 18th, 2019 at 8:51am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 5:25am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
Doesn't look like socko's posts of Tesla wrecks and car accidents has had any impact on Israel's decision to go all electric by 2030 !

Australia will probably be the last to phase them out because they like running their old clunkers for as long as they can whilst in other countries this is entirely illegal !


Link or did you pluck that from your ass?

Gaza to Lebanon is around 170 KM so it's not like the Israelis drive long distances.

still they buy 250,000 new vehicles a year and Australia does 1.1 million so that's still a substantial amount.....


And the LNP still can't equate to city driving stuck in stop start traffic, travelling low distances each day and blowing big big $$$ out of a tail pipe or wasting it heating up brake rotors. Their solution to climate change is to convince everyone else that it is not an issue. The LNP future is the past :(



Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:47am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 8:51am:
And the LNP still can't equate to city driving stuck in stop start traffic, travelling low distances each day and blowing big big $$$ out of a tail pipe or wasting it heating up brake rotors.



And you would have us believe all city drivers are like that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Bobby on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:53am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
Doesn't look like socko's posts of Tesla wrecks and car accidents has had any impact on Israel's decision to go all electric by 2030 !

Australia will probably be the last to phase them out because they like running their old clunkers for as long as they can whilst in other countries this is entirely illegal !



dear sir Nail,
in Australia - we follow - we don't lead.

We do what the multinationals tell us to do.
If they say make cars that need petrol
& make them out of heavy steel to be as
inefficient as possible -
then that's what we do.


PS.
cars made out of light aircraft aluminium in Australia = zero.


dumb as dogshit here. Only good at racking up debt flipping old houses and making cups of coffee. How could you expect anymore from this lot of low achievers :(


The traitors running. multinationals here owe their allegiance to a foreign power.

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 18th, 2019 at 2:47pm

lee wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:47am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 8:51am:
And the LNP still can't equate to city driving stuck in stop start traffic, travelling low distances each day and blowing big big $$$ out of a tail pipe or wasting it heating up brake rotors.



And you would have us believe all city drivers are like that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


In the US 80% of daily commutes are 50 miles or less. Wouldn't be much different here.

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 18th, 2019 at 3:49pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
In the US 80% of daily commutes are 50 miles or less.



Daily commute equals weekend travel? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 18th, 2019 at 4:31pm

lee wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 3:49pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
In the US 80% of daily commutes are 50 miles or less.



Daily commute equals weekend travel? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


stick to doing nothing. that's what you LNP are good at doing. And you wonder why nobody wants to vote for you lot except for cretons like socko.

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 18th, 2019 at 5:09pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 4:31pm:
And you wonder why nobody wants to vote for you except for cretons like socko.


I'm not running for Parliament petal. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 18th, 2019 at 7:47pm

lee wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 5:09pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 4:31pm:
And you wonder why nobody wants to vote for you except for cretons like socko.


I'm not running for Parliament petal. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


but you'll vote for the same losers again and again :(

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:04pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 7:47pm:
but you'll vote for the same losers again and again



But you were saying " you wonder why nobody wants to vote for you ".

You really are deluded and can't even keep your delusions in line.

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 19th, 2019 at 9:49am

lee wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 7:47pm:
but you'll vote for the same losers again and again



But you were saying " you wonder why nobody wants to vote for you ".

You really are deluded and can't even keep your delusions in line.


i corrected it. Thanks for nothing c.nt.

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 19th, 2019 at 11:14am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 9:49am:
i corrected it.



At 7.47 my time this morning. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 20th, 2019 at 12:54pm
Yes and Israel will be phasing out fossil fool clunkers by 2030 whilst Australia does what ...... ! NOTHING as usual !!


Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by DonDeeHippy on Jan 24th, 2019 at 11:38am
https://www.electrive.com/2019/01/22/sweden-joins-nations-dropping-combustion-engines-target-2030/
Sweden is saying goodbye to cars with internal combustion engines. Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has now declared that no new cars with diesel or petrol engines will be sold after 2030.
Clearly, Scandinavia is stepping up when it comes to transport transition off fossil fuels. Norway, which is so far the only country ever to have an EV-registration quota of around 50 per cent, has aimed even higher, with no new cars with combustion engines to be on the market in 2025. Denmark has drawn up corresponding plans for the year 2030, as Sweden has now done.
But it is not just Scandinavia that is managing the change. Greenpeace transport expert Marion Tiemann pointed out that Sweden is now the tenth country to have set such a concrete phase-out date, and that larger nations such as Great Britain and France are also among them. The latter however angle toward ICE bans no sooner than by 2040 – for the time being.

More and more countries r stopping ICE vehicals  ;)
So now its 10 countries have declaired they will get rid of fossil fuel vehicals. ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 24th, 2019 at 1:06pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Sweden is saying goodbye to cars with internal combustion engines. Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has now declared that no new cars with diesel or petrol engines will be sold after 2030.



We'll see what happens in 2030. Declarations are sooo easy to make.

And in the meantime CO2 goes up. ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 24th, 2019 at 2:34pm

lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 1:06pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Sweden is saying goodbye to cars with internal combustion engines. Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has now declared that no new cars with diesel or petrol engines will be sold after 2030.



We'll see what happens in 2030. Declarations are sooo easy to make.

And in the meantime CO2 goes up. ;)


Stop breathing. That will help ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 24th, 2019 at 3:05pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 2:34pm:
Stop breathing



I will eventually.

Skep sci says our exhalations are merely a part of the carbon cycle and have already been counted. So if you believe that it is a nil sum game. ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 24th, 2019 at 3:31pm

lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 3:05pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 2:34pm:
Stop breathing



I will eventually.

Skep sci says our exhalations are merely a part of the carbon cycle and have already been counted. So if you believe that it is a nil sum game. ;)


DO IT NOW !!!

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by DonDeeHippy on Jan 24th, 2019 at 3:42pm

lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 1:06pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Sweden is saying goodbye to cars with internal combustion engines. Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has now declared that no new cars with diesel or petrol engines will be sold after 2030.



We'll see what happens in 2030. Declarations are sooo easy to make.

And in the meantime CO2 goes up. ;)

why mention that when u don't believe C02 makes a difference Lee  :D

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 24th, 2019 at 4:04pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 3:42pm:
why mention that when u don't believe C02 makes a difference Lee



Why do you continually misrepresent people?

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by DonDeeHippy on Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:05am

lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 4:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 3:42pm:
why mention that when u don't believe C02 makes a difference Lee



Why do you continually misrepresent people?

ok so where do u stand with the extra CO2 put in the atmosphere from fossil fuels being burnt by humans Lee ?
DO u think it effects our atmosphere and is warming it.... ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Ajax on Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:39am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
Doesn't look like socko's posts of Tesla wrecks and car accidents has had any impact on Israel's decision to go all electric by 2030 !

Australia will probably be the last to phase them out because they like running their old clunkers for as long as they can whilst in other countries this is entirely illegal !


Re-cycling car battery business sounds ok....!

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:47am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:05am:
ok so where do u stand with the extra CO2 put in the atmosphere from fossil fuels being burnt by humans Lee ?



The science says it has some effect. It doesn't qualify as a "driver" let alone the "main driver".

But it is grossly overblown.

IF increasing CO2 is the "main driver" then increasing CO2 would not be able to overcome natural variation. And yet some years are still cooler than others. ;)

Hansen has said that the CO2 imbalance is 0.58W/m2, which is having an effect.

Solar irradiancen variation is 0.1% of 1360W/m2, which is 1.36W/m2, and apparently has no effect.

And the level of uncertainty for the energy fluxes is +/-17W/m2.

All those itty bits down in the noise.

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 27th, 2019 at 10:52am

lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:47am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:05am:
ok so where do u stand with the extra CO2 put in the atmosphere from fossil fuels being burnt by humans Lee ?



The science says it has some effect. It doesn't qualify as a "driver" let alone the "main driver".

But it is grossly overblown.

IF increasing CO2 is the "main driver" then increasing CO2 would not be able to overcome natural variation. And yet some years are still cooler than others. ;)

Hansen has said that the CO2 imbalance is 0.58W/m2, which is having an effect.

Solar irradiancen variation is 0.1% of 1360W/m2, which is 1.36W/m2, and apparently has no effect.

And the level of uncertainty for the energy fluxes is +/-17W/m2.

All those itty bits down in the noise.


and record heatwaves, more extreme weather events and species extinction somehow correspond well with the short period of the industrial revolution. What a coincidence ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:18am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 10:52am:
and record heatwaves, more extreme weather events and species extinction somehow correspond well with the short period of the industrial revolution.


1. Heatwaves - Coming out of an LIA. How bizarre.

2. Which more extreme weather events? Is that more frequent or more extreme or both? Do you have statistics to show that or mere bloviating?

3. Which species have been made extinct due to climate change as opposed to man?

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 27th, 2019 at 1:52pm

lee wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:18am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 10:52am:
and record heatwaves, more extreme weather events and species extinction somehow correspond well with the short period of the industrial revolution.


1. Heatwaves - Coming out of an LIA. How bizarre.

2. Which more extreme weather events? Is that more frequent or more extreme or both? Do you have statistics to show that or mere bloviating?

3. Which species have been made extinct due to climate change as opposed to man?


You mean species extinction due to man-made climate change all coinciding with the short period of the industrial revolution ?

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 27th, 2019 at 2:01pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 3:42pm:

lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 1:06pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Sweden is saying goodbye to cars with internal combustion engines. Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has now declared that no new cars with diesel or petrol engines will be sold after 2030.



We'll see what happens in 2030. Declarations are sooo easy to make.

And in the meantime CO2 goes up. ;)

why mention that when u don't believe C02 makes a difference Lee  :D


they don't like solar panel's and batteries either because they reckon their manufacture creates too much pollution, but all of the oil byproduct plastic sh.t scattered throughout the ocean is no problem for them  :D LOL

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 27th, 2019 at 2:30pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 1:52pm:
You mean species extinction due to man-made climate change all coinciding with the short period of the industrial revolution ?



That's your claim. Back it up. And not with some fancy modelling job about the number of
unknown species extrapolated into known species so it must be worse than we thought. ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by lee on Jan 27th, 2019 at 2:34pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 2:01pm:
they don't like solar panel's and batteries either because they reckon their manufacture creates too much pollution, but all of the oil byproduct plastic sh.t scattered throughout the ocean is no problem for them



Oh no. The fabricated Great Pacific Gyre rears its ugly head again. But Hands up those who use oil based products, drive on oil based products.

Not just oil, diesel, gasoline and natural gas. But raincoats, rubber gloves, bitumen, plastic phone cases. ;)

Title: Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 !
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 30th, 2019 at 1:11pm

lee wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 2:30pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 1:52pm:
You mean species extinction due to man-made climate change all coinciding with the short period of the industrial revolution ?



That's your claim. Back it up. And not with some fancy modelling job about the number of
unknown species extrapolated into known species so it must be worse than we thought. ;)


hopefully the LNP species will be the next to go extinct after May ;)

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