Putting aside the superstition which is the basis of Mohammedanism, here is yet another example of the vindictive and sadistic fixations engendered by their ignorance and their religion. And it is completely illogical for them to justify their grizzly murders because of the war in Syria. You cannot believe these Muzlims did not enjoy the beheading and throat slitting, and still pretend to be objective. Perhaps SBS should do a series on anti-European racism.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46645348

I don't know how you can fairly split a life time of indoctrination and brain washing since birth to glorify such acts to the extent you believe such actions will result in the highest possible reward ie eternal paradise and something genetically intrinsic.


My guess is it is mainly nurture not nature.


This does not apply to the percentage of true psycho's that exist in the human population.


Of course there might be selective breeding going on with lots of low IQ inbred low empathy genes being passed on in higher frequency. 

Inbred is not an inheritable trait. The genetic effects disappear as soon as you outbreed, though they do accumulate with successive generations of inbreeding.

If you are of European decent, you should take this recent atrocity personally.

I don't believe the nurture-nature debate is relevant. These Muzlim fixations are tribal (nurture), ignorance (nurture), and religious (nurture). These murders, as with all Muzlim atrocities, are (1) typically Middle Eastern. (Just read what earlier travellers thought of those tribes) (2) The poisonous lack of knowledge of other cultures. (3) The Koran, which dictates cutting the heads off we Infidels. They followed the book.

There should be a response after every Muzlim atrocity, otherwise, they just go on believing we Infidels are weak.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2018 at 7:12am:

Putting aside the superstition which is the basis of Mohammedanism, here is yet another example of the vindictive and sadistic fixations engendered by their ignorance and their religion. And it is completely illogical for them to justify their grizzly murders because of the war in Syria. You cannot believe these Muzlims did not enjoy the beheading and throat slitting, and still pretend to be objective. Perhaps SBS should do a series on anti-European racism. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46645348

I don't blame their killers.

Any European today with just 2 functioning brain cells, would understand that ISLAM = = danger, and that every self-declared follower of ISLAM is very dangerous person.




I would not be surprised if these people [below] were ideological compatriots of those two victims.

IMAGE.....
https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/refugee-welcome-not-dangerous.jpg




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Sound discrimination is not anything 'evil'.

Possessing the faculty of sound 'discrimination' is the sign of a healthy human psyche, imo.


Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.       good judgement or taste.


Dictionary;
discriminating = = having or showing good taste or judgement.




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Due to the truth hating influences of Leftists and Humanists,
all Europeans, have surrendered their discretion and abandoned their [good] discrimination.

Today, everyday, Europeans show the world, that they are a people who are willing to accommodate ['tolerate'] a great evil, in their midst.

Only a widespread slaughter can follow, when that evil comes to a full flood.



Belgistan_ Sharia Showdown Looms in Brussels
7 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNIaIoZKAE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNIaIoZKAE

Yadda wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2018 at 9:28am:

issuevoter wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 7:12am: Putting aside the superstition which is the basis of Mohammedanism, here is yet another example of the vindictive and sadistic fixations engendered by their ignorance and their religion. And it is completely illogical for them to justify their grizzly murders because of the war in Syria. You cannot believe these Muzlims did not enjoy the beheading and throat slitting, and still pretend to be objective. Perhaps SBS should do a series on anti-European racism. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46645348 I don't blame their killers. Any European today with just 2 functioning brain cells, would understand that ISLAM = = danger, and that every self-declared follower of ISLAM is very dangerous person. I would not be surprised if these people [below] were ideological compatriots of those two victims. IMAGE..... https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/refugee-welcome-not-dangerous.jpg . Sound discrimination is not anything 'evil'. Possessing the faculty of sound 'discrimination' is the sign of a healthy human psyche, imo. Dictionary; discrimination = = 1 the action of discriminating against people. 2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.       good judgement or taste. Dictionary; discriminating = = having or showing good taste or judgement. . Due to the truth hating influences of Leftists and Humanists, all Europeans, have surrendered their discretion and abandoned their [good] discrimination. Today, everyday, Europeans show the world, that they are a people who are willing to accommodate ['tolerate'] a great evil, in their midst. Only a widespread slaughter can follow, when that evil comes to a full flood. Belgistan_ Sharia Showdown Looms in Brussels 7 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNIaIoZKAE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNIaIoZKAE

You need to rethink that highlighted statement. They cut their throats and beheaded one, because they were Infidels. Associations do not change their guilt, or forgive their sadism, or their religion.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2018 at 9:35am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 9:28am: issuevoter wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 7:12am: Putting aside the superstition which is the basis of Mohammedanism, here is yet another example of the vindictive and sadistic fixations engendered by their ignorance and their religion. And it is completely illogical for them to justify their grizzly murders because of the war in Syria. You cannot believe these Muzlims did not enjoy the beheading and throat slitting, and still pretend to be objective. Perhaps SBS should do a series on anti-European racism. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46645348 I don't blame their killers. Any European today with just 2 functioning brain cells, would understand that ISLAM = = danger, and that every self-declared follower of ISLAM is very dangerous person. I would not be surprised if these people [below] were ideological compatriots of those two victims. IMAGE..... https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/refugee-welcome-not-dangerous.jpg . Sound discrimination is not anything 'evil'. Possessing the faculty of sound 'discrimination' is the sign of a healthy human psyche, imo. Dictionary; discrimination = = 1 the action of discriminating against people. 2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.       good judgement or taste. Dictionary; discriminating = = having or showing good taste or judgement. . Due to the truth hating influences of Leftists and Humanists, all Europeans, have surrendered their discretion and abandoned their [good] discrimination. Today, everyday, Europeans show the world, that they are a people who are willing to accommodate ['tolerate'] a great evil, in their midst. Only a widespread slaughter can follow, when that evil comes to a full flood. Belgistan_ Sharia Showdown Looms in Brussels 7 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNIaIoZKAE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNIaIoZKAE You need to rethink that highlighted statement. They cut their throats and beheaded one, because they were Infidels. Associations do not change their guilt, or forgive their sadism, or their religion.

It was a terrible crime.



But issue,      the followers of ISLAM, living in Europe, have been committing crimes much, much worse than that, in Europe, for decades.

And yet, many Europeans are unwilling to confront either that murderous philosophy [ISLAM] or those who are followers of ISLAM.

Many, many Europeans, even today, in 2018, are happy, and are clearly, wholly unconcerned,
about accommodating, people who are followers of ISLAM, in their society.



issue,

I blame, the Europeans,         whenever Europeans repeatedly die,
at the hands of an identifiable group of people,
an identifiable group of people, who have openly sworn, by the precepts of their religion,
to pursue a never-ending murderous war,
against everyone who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.



Quote:

I don't blame their killers. Any European today with just 2 functioning brain cells, would understand that ISLAM = = danger, and that every self-declared follower of ISLAM is very dangerous person.

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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

IMAGE....
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/320/cpsprodpb/B5AD/production/_104890564_moroccomurdercomp.jpg

Who were the victims?
Ms Jespersen, who was 24 and from Denmark, and 28-year-old Norwegian Ms Ueland had been studying outdoor activities at the University of Southeastern Norway.




Quote:

Both women had taken full precautions ahead of their trip, Maren Ueland's mother said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46645348

Zero explanation in that BBC article, as to what those 'precautions' had been.




We need to remove all identifiable wolves, from our meadow.



Mainstream ISLAM [ISLAMIC law] 'legitimises', the murder of those who are not moslems.

Every self-declared moslem is a predator, and a latent, wanna-be-murderer.

Every self-declared moslem is a follower and supporter of what ISLAM promotes in the world.

Denying that truth, will not make that fact, any less true.





WATCH THE YT !!......

Watch the moslem in the YT, telling you openly,      what the moslems intention is,
for YOUR WORLD, for YOUR SOCIETY.


Belgistan_ Sharia Showdown Looms in Brussels
7 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNIaIoZKAE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNIaIoZKAE

issuevoter wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2018 at 9:26am:

If you are of European decent, you should take this recent atrocity personally.

I am, and in a way - I do.

"This is not who we are"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-23/moroccans-hold-anti-terror-vigil-for-slain-nordic-hikers/10664530


Quote:

Moroccans have gathered in front of the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Rabat for a candlelight vigil to honour two Scandinavian university students killed in a terrorist attack in the Atlas Mountains. They were honouring 28-year-old Norwegian Maren Ueland and 24-year-old Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, whose bodies were found on Monday. Authorities said the hikers were killed by four men affiliated with the Islamic State group. The killings shocked Moroccans as much as those in Denmark and Norway.

It would argued on theological grounds those Morrocan people.at the vigil, who are genuinely upset, could be called not true Muslims - hence the fundamental problem of trying to reconcile following a primitive barbaric faith with contemporary general human values.

This fundamental problem is a war within Islam. I feel sorry for the vast number of peaceful decent Muslims they have no choice but to be in this internal war.

The Christian/Jews had exactly the same problem to solve 1500 years ago and it took them a few hundred years to solve it. They managed the transition into modernity successfully, Islam has not so far and there is no guarantee they will.

The so called centrist/moderate Muslims are not doing anywhere near enough work to transition Islam into modernity. The World needs moderates to admit the problem exists and stop trying to straddle both worlds or try and keep a low profile until it sorts itself out or worse go into mental gymnastics like Gandalf.

I believe Gandalf is struggling to choose which world he wants and thinks the problem is only a problem of perception. Of course he is wrong.

Term Dog wrote on Dec 24^th, 2018 at 9:02am:

It would argued on theological grounds those Morrocan people.at the vigil, who are genuinely upset, could be called not true Muslims - hence the fundamental problem of trying to reconcile following a primitive barbaric faith with contemporary general human values. This fundamental problem is a war within Islam. I feel sorry for the vast number of peaceful decent Muslims they have no choice but to be in this internal war. The Christian/Jews had exactly the same problem to solve 1500 years ago and it took them a few hundred years to solve it. They managed the transition into modernity successfully, Islam has not so far and there is no guarantee they will. The so called centrist/moderate Muslims are not doing anywhere near enough work to transition Islam into modernity. The World needs moderates to admit the problem exists and stop trying to straddle both worlds or try and keep a low profile until it sorts itself out or worse go into mental gymnastics like Gandalf. I believe Gandalf is struggling to choose which world he wants and thinks the problem is only a problem of perception. Of course he is wrong.

Thats a surprisingly inoffensive and in a funny way insightful post for once term dog. Hope to see more of it  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 24^th, 2018 at 9:08am:

Term Dog wrote on Dec 24th, 2018 at 9:02am: It would argued on theological grounds those Morrocan people.at the vigil, who are genuinely upset, could be called not true Muslims - hence the fundamental problem of trying to reconcile following a primitive barbaric faith with contemporary general human values. This fundamental problem is a war within Islam. I feel sorry for the vast number of peaceful decent Muslims they have no choice but to be in this internal war. The Christian/Jews had exactly the same problem to solve 1500 years ago and it took them a few hundred years to solve it. They managed the transition into modernity successfully, Islam has not so far and there is no guarantee they will. The so called centrist/moderate Muslims are not doing anywhere near enough work to transition Islam into modernity. The World needs moderates to admit the problem exists and stop trying to straddle both worlds or try and keep a low profile until it sorts itself out or worse go into mental gymnastics like Gandalf. I believe Gandalf is struggling to choose which world he wants and thinks the problem is only a problem of perception. Of course he is wrong. Thats a surprisingly inoffensive and in a funny way insightful post for once term dog. Hope to see more of it  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Most of us (all people) are more the same than different. Our fight should be against tyranny, not each other.

well said, agree 100%

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 24^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

well said, agree 100%

That is a lie, and one of many. You believe the religious tyrants of Iran should have nuclear weapons. You also believe the Koran is the true interpretation of reality. 

Gandalf thinks we should be fighting the tyranny, and the mindless collectives of treacherous Jews.

Those girls took all precautions except the most important one ... guarding against being killed by muslims

More Islamic sadism:

BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46705252

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46705252


A female Islamic State group member accused of letting a five-year-old girl die of thirst in scorching sunlight

bought the child as a house "slave" in the IS-occupied Iraqi city of Mosul

the child may have been a member of the Yazidi minority, many of whom were captured and enslaved by IS as the militant group swept across northern Iraq"

After the girl fell ill and wet her mattress, the husband of the accused chained her up outside as punishment and let the child die in agony of thirst in the scorching heat,"

"The accused allowed her husband to do so and did nothing to save the girl.

40:35. Those who dispute about the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, without any authority that has come to them, it is greatly hateful and disgusting to Allah and to those who believe. Thus does Allah seal up the heart of every arrogant, tyrant. (So they cannot guide themselves to the Right Path).

Well a Yazidi would be classed as an unbeliever, so allah and the muslims hate them with a vengeance.

Just one more example of this twisted death cult in action.

One side doing the hating and killing, the other side killing the haters because they *misinterpreted* the religion of peace.

If Humanists and Leftists in Australia, really do love moslems so much,
why not, every festive/holiday season, take their pick,
and travel to Somalia, or Egypt, or Pakistan,
or Morocco ?



And if they did so, then they would really be able to immerse themselves in the culture there.

Who knows, Humanists and Leftists from Australia may become so enamoured with ISLAMIC culture on their visit, that they may decide to remain in their ISLAMIC paradise ?


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545426728/7#7



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https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/refugee-welcome-not-dangerous.jpg

I wonder how long it will take the kids in the above picture to realize they were brainwashed by their marxist useful idiots teachers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilaya_of_Relizane_massacres_of_4_January_1998

Hoping to establish an Islamic State in Algeria, Muzlims massacre 172 villagers. A pregnant women has her fetus cut out and slaughtered. Allah is Great!!!!!

issuevoter wrote on Dec 24^th, 2018 at 5:30pm:

You believe the religious tyrants of Iran should have nuclear weapons.

Not true issue - but I've already pointed that out to you several times.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 8:09am:

issuevoter wrote on Dec 24th, 2018 at 5:30pm: You believe the religious tyrants of Iran should have nuclear weapons. Not true issue - but I've already pointed that out to you several times.

Not true? You questioned why it would not be fair for Iran, under religious fanatics (like yourself), to have nuclear weapons, because the West has them. You were not being either pragmatic or impartial, you were obliquely supporting nuclear weapons for the Islamic Republic of Iran, the clerical leaders of which, have stated Israel will not exist in 10 years. That is now down to about 7. You are a liar for Islam, and you are so shallow, you are not even aware of your own transparency.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 8:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 8:09am: issuevoter wrote on Dec 24th, 2018 at 5:30pm: You believe the religious tyrants of Iran should have nuclear weapons. Not true issue - but I've already pointed that out to you several times. Not true? You questioned why it would not be fair for Iran, under religious fanatics (like yourself), to have nuclear weapons, because the West has them. You were not being either pragmatic or impartial, you were obliquely supporting nuclear weapons for the Islamic Republic of Iran, the clerical leaders of which, have stated Israel will not exist in 10 years. That is now down to about 7. You are a liar for Islam, and you are so shallow, you are not even aware of your own transparency.

You are either completely clueless or being disingenuous.

I posed the question, how can we justify demanding Iran not have nukes while at the same time insisting other nations don't have to relinquish theirs. I then followed that up very quickly with the clear and unambiguous statement that I believe *NO* nation should have any nukes - Iran or anyone else.

In future, its best to quote what I actually say issue.

1. Not all countries are equal. Muslim theocracies are especially not equal to other countries.

2. That nobody should have them is an irrelevant point because others having it does not give all countrues the right to gave them. (See above)

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 11:01am:

1. Not all countries are equal. Muslim theocracies are especially not equal to other countries.

Fixed it for you, Soren.  Of course, that means you must include the UK and the Vatican and of course, Bhutan and Tibet in that, right?   Why single out Islam?  Oh, that's right, you suffer from Islamophobia, right?


Quote:

2. That nobody should have them is an irrelevant point because others having it does not give all countrues the right to gave them. (See above)

Actually, it is a very relevant point, Soren.   Do you like the idea of countries having nuclear weapons?  I don't and I've studied the topic for decades.   Nukes are bad news.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 1:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 11:01am: 1. Not all countries are equal. Muslim theocracies are especially not equal to other countries. Fixed it for you, Soren.  Of course, that means you must include the UK   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

:D :D

You are stark, staring mad, Bwian.

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 2:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:52pm: Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 11:01am: 1. Not all countries are equal. Muslim theocracies are especially not equal to other countries. Fixed it for you, Soren.  Of course, that means you must include the UK   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) :D :D You are stark, staring mad, Bwian.

Why?  Because I correctly identify the UK as theocracy?  The Queen is not only head of state, she is also head of the Anglican Church.   She fulfils both roles.  That makes the UK a theocracy, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, don't worry, we know they don't do things like that in Denmark...   ::)

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 11:01am:

1. Not all countries are equal. Muslim theocracies are especially not equal to other countries. 2. That nobody should have them is an irrelevant point because others having it does not give all countrues the right to gave them. (See above)

soooo your point is that some countries should have the right to have them, but not others - because.... superior kultur?

It doesn't address the whole problem of nuclear proliferation practically being a certainty while-ever certain countries hold exclusive rights to own them.

In any case, it seems your priority is not to rid the world of nukes, so its kinda irrelevant to the topic - which is specifically about how to be a nuclear-free world.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 2:44pm:

soooo your point is that some countries should have the right to have them, but not others - because.... superior kultur?

Interesting use of the word right.

Some countries as an outcome of history possess nuclear weapons and it is legal for them to do so,  those countries have at times worked to limit those weapon holdings due to the great danger of those weapons and as diplomatic manoeuvres.

Other countries have signed to not possess such weapons.  Other countries have have sought to obtain such weapons.

The world (or at least the politcal and diplomatic) rightly or wrongly perceives the possession of such weapons by certain countries to be a threat to the global peace or at least a threat to global status quo of relationships and power.

There is no such things as rights in realpolitik, but at the same time, with the many enmities in the Islamic world the last thing needed is another Muslim bomb to join Pakistans.

Iran is working steadily toward a bomb which by any standard is destabilising in an already fractious region and likely to lead to an arms race at best, conflict as likely.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 2:44pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 11:01am: 1. Not all countries are equal. Muslim theocracies are especially not equal to other countries. 2. That nobody should have them is an irrelevant point because others having it does not give all countrues the right to gave them. (See above) soooo your point is that some countries should have the right to have them, but not others - because.... superior kultur? It doesn't address the whole problem of nuclear proliferation practically being a certainty while-ever certain countries hold exclusive rights to own them. In any case, it seems your priority is not to rid the world of nukes, so its kinda irrelevant to the topic - which is specifically about how to be a nuclear-free world.

I thought the topic was Islamic sadism.

Why would anyone but a Muslim like you argue for the right to the bomb for a Muslim theocracy whose centeal ideology is the armageddon to bring about the Mahdi  the shia Messiah. And the spark for that to them the would be their nuking of the 'Zionist entity, the Little Satan and the Great Satan'.

So yes, some countries have far superior cultures than that.

Gandalf likes to frame the nuclear debate in terms of the rights of countries to own them, because he wants the Muslim nutjob countries to get their hands on them.

This is the same Muslim who tried to tell us the Taliban were going to hand over Bin Laden, then flip flopped and said OK they were not able to, but the US should have invaded and propped up the Taliban - one of the most evil and despotic islamofascist regimes in modern history. Of course, if they had done so, he would now be blaming the US for every evil deed the Taliban does (which has nothing to do with Islam...).

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 8:51pm:

Gandalf likes to frame the nuclear debate in terms of the rights of countries to own them, because he wants the Muslim nutjob countries to get their hands on them. This is the same Muslim who tried to tell us the Taliban were going to hand over Bin Laden, then flip flopped and said OK they were not able to, but the US should have invaded and propped up the Taliban - one of the most evil and despotic islamofascist regimes in modern history. Of course, if they had done so, he would now be blaming the US for every evil deed the Taliban does (which has nothing to do with Islam...).

My lesson from talking to the gandalfs, Abus, Bwians, gweggs, karnals and the rest is that you talk long enought to muslims and their partisans and they all turn out to be nutty.  You have to be nutty to live in the 21st century by the rules of a bloody warlord from backward 7th century Araby.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 9:27am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 8:26am: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 8:09am: issuevoter wrote on Dec 24th, 2018 at 5:30pm: You believe the religious tyrants of Iran should have nuclear weapons. Not true issue - but I've already pointed that out to you several times. Not true? You questioned why it would not be fair for Iran, under religious fanatics (like yourself), to have nuclear weapons, because the West has them. You were not being either pragmatic or impartial, you were obliquely supporting nuclear weapons for the Islamic Republic of Iran, the clerical leaders of which, have stated Israel will not exist in 10 years. That is now down to about 7. You are a liar for Islam, and you are so shallow, you are not even aware of your own transparency. You are either completely clueless or being disingenuous. I posed the question, how can we justify demanding Iran not have nukes while at the same time insisting other nations don't have to relinquish theirs. I then followed that up very quickly with the clear and unambiguous statement that I believe *NO* nation should have any nukes - Iran or anyone else. In future, its best to quote what I actually say issue.

You were trying to defend the Ayatollah's possession of the nuclear button, no matter how you said it.

You would have these Islamic sadists hold the world to ransom over Israel.

So everyone voluntarily gives up nukes. Eventually, despite their general incompetence, a few Muslim nations finally figure the technology out. Perhaps they pay off a few Koreans. Then all of a sudden we have a global Caliphate rising from the ashes of a nuclear holocaust. And it's not Gandalf's fault. He thought the nice Muslim nations would keep to their agreement. Perhaps there are some mindless collectives of treacherous Jews in there who forced the Muslims hands.

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 8:51pm:

Gandalf likes to frame the nuclear debate in terms of the rights of countries to own them, because he wants the Muslim nutjob countries to get their hands on them.

Yes FD, thats exactly what I said innit  ::)

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 9:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:27am: issuevoter wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 8:26am: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 8:09am: issuevoter wrote on Dec 24th, 2018 at 5:30pm: You believe the religious tyrants of Iran should have nuclear weapons. Not true issue - but I've already pointed that out to you several times. Not true? You questioned why it would not be fair for Iran, under religious fanatics (like yourself), to have nuclear weapons, because the West has them. You were not being either pragmatic or impartial, you were obliquely supporting nuclear weapons for the Islamic Republic of Iran, the clerical leaders of which, have stated Israel will not exist in 10 years. That is now down to about 7. You are a liar for Islam, and you are so shallow, you are not even aware of your own transparency. You are either completely clueless or being disingenuous. I posed the question, how can we justify demanding Iran not have nukes while at the same time insisting other nations don't have to relinquish theirs. I then followed that up very quickly with the clear and unambiguous statement that I believe *NO* nation should have any nukes - Iran or anyone else. In future, its best to quote what I actually say issue. You were trying to defend the Ayatollah's possession of the nuclear button, no matter how you said it. You would have these Islamic sadists hold the world to ransom over Israel.

Your pathetic personal vendetta against me is blinding you issue. I said nothing of the kind. If you bothered to quote what I actually said you would be proven wrong.

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 9:20pm:

So everyone voluntarily gives up nukes. Eventually, despite their general incompetence, a few Muslim nations finally figure the technology out. Perhaps they pay off a few Koreans.

Even now we seem to be doing a reasonably good job of preventing that. Imagine how much better we would be if the enforcers were not being hypocrites about nukes and creating the greatest incentive for nuclear proliferation.

Everyone voluntarily giving up nukes will make non-proliferation easier, not harder.

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2019 at 8:51pm:

Gandalf likes to frame the nuclear debate in terms of the rights of countries to own them, because he wants the Muslim nutjob countries to get their hands on them. This is the same Muslim who tried to tell us the Taliban were going to hand over Bin Laden, then flip flopped and said OK they were not able to, ....but the US should have invaded and propped up the Taliban - one of the most evil and despotic islamofascist regimes in modern history. Of course, if they had done so, he would now be blaming the US for every evil deed the Taliban does (which has nothing to do with Islam...).

LOL !

Yep, exactly so.




If things turn to sh!t [within ANY moslem influenced environment], it was/is      always      the fault of the influences of disbelievers, upon that environment.

Moslems are the virtuous people.

Moslems are the innocent, and virtuous people.

Moslems cannot be at fault, for any mishap or catastrophe that occurs in this world...
....because moslems are the 'rightly guided' people.



They [the pure moslems] are the agents in this world, for ensuring Allah's perfect law spreads to every corner of this earth.

And when that task is completed, all humanity will enjoy, and experience, the peace and the prosperity that will ensue, from living under Allah's perfect laws.

[that is the 'narrative'.      correct gandalf ?]



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The virtuous people.....

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2019 at 7:40am:

freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 8:51pm: Gandalf likes to frame the nuclear debate in terms of the rights of countries to own them, because he wants the Muslim nutjob countries to get their hands on them. Yes FD, thats exactly what I said innit  ::)

What do you think would happen if you actually got your way Gandalf?


polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2019 at 7:47am:

freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:20pm: So everyone voluntarily gives up nukes. Eventually, despite their general incompetence, a few Muslim nations finally figure the technology out. Perhaps they pay off a few Koreans. Even now we seem to be doing a reasonably good job of preventing that. Imagine how much better we would be if the enforcers were not being hypocrites about nukes and creating the greatest incentive for nuclear proliferation. Everyone voluntarily giving up nukes will make non-proliferation easier, not harder.

We would not be doing better. We would create a nuclear arms race amongst the world's despots, as they all sought to capitalise on the world's Gandalf-inspire idiocy.

Do you think the Muslims would come out on top, or would they just nuke each other to ashes?

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2019 at 12:21pm:

We would not be doing better. We would create a nuclear arms race amongst the world's despots,

Can you explain your logic as to why this would be the case?

Is it that the existing nuclear weapons currently act as a deterrent to such an arms race? Because if it is, it would take about 2 seconds of actual rational thought to debunk such logic. Firstly, most nuclear armed nations are more than capable of wiping out any tinpot dictatorship who tries to acquire nukes with conventional/non-nuclear weapons. The US have proved that several times in the last few years. That serves as more than enough deterrent, and such a deterrent will still exist in a post-nuclear world. Secondly, in the case of North Korea and (if the US claims are true), Iran, the US nuclear deterrent hasn't worked against them has it? And almost certainly, it has spurred them on. And thirdly. no tinpot dictatorship will be capable of developing nuclear weapons on their own - they will need intimate support from existing nuclear powers. And if all said nations get rid of their arsenals, they're hardly going to assist some despot acquire them, if they don't have any themselves are they?