Ok people.
This is not about climate change
This is not about nuclear war.
This is about the biggest threat to mankind, one that will destroy our planet more surely than either of the above.

It's about overpopulation.

Our planet has finite resources.
You can only produce a finite amount of food and have a finite amount of water.
In time, if we continue breeding uncontrolled as we are doing, we will reach the point where the planet cannot renew itself enough to maintain a habitable environment.

Every person breathes air, drinks water and eats food.
The more people tgere are, the more they eat, drink and breath.

Our world population is growing exponentially,  predominantly growing in parts of the world where food is scarce or where the population has already exceeded the environments ability to sustain them.

If we continue to send aid, food and water, they will continue to breed.
If we give them resources, they will continue to breed.
If we give them asylum,  they will continue to breed.
They cannot control themselves, as we see every day.

Giving asylum to these countries is comparable to throwing scraps, tiny morsels of food to a starving pack.
There are more being born than any, even all, of the world could give asylum to.
We would need to increase our refugee intake 1000 times to even keep up, and even then it woukd not be enough.

Charities play on our compassion, because for them it's a money making exercise.
Very little of the money we give actually makes it to the starving.
And yet they still breed.

The only solution is to dedicate ourselves to doing nothing but producing food and making water for these countries who cannot feed their ever growing populations.
And do you know what the result of that would be?

They would breed more.

There is one answer
We need to stop the breeding cycle
These people must be stopped or the world will die.
Give them aid, by all means, but at a cost.
They must be permanently sterilized to receive the aid.

In time, many years down the track, when numbers are stable,  they can breed in a sensible and sustainable manner.
We would no longer need to send billions to feed a breeding machine.
The wars that are there purely because there is not enough resources will stop.
Perhaps even primitive cultures will migrate back to where their barbarity is acceptable, and they woukd leave us alone.

But one thing is for sure
What we are doing now is walking the road to destruction.
We must stop it now or destroy the earth and civilization forever.

but..... but..... but....... we need endless population expansion to feed endless Jobsun Growthe .....

Why do you think I've started discussing Lifeboat Australia and cutting immigration to zero, taking back the asylum for the people, etc?

Endless population growth is a con by the rich to perpetuate profit over people.... Hunger Games here we come without the sweet result at the end....  the end point of Hunger Games is that no matter how you fight, the end result is the same without massive de-population, and it is inevitable that an oppressive government will rise again from the ashes....Caitness retiring with hubby and kids is a farce .... the war is forever until nature intervenes and cuts the human race down to size...

I'd prefer the culling to be in the disease-ridden overstocked places than with my grand-kids.... of course.... and it is inevitable, and improving the QOL for billions in hot filthy places will make things worse in the long run.

Valkie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 5:02am:

Ok people. This is not about climate change This is not about nuclear war. This is about the biggest threat to mankind, one that will destroy our planet more surely than either of the above. It's about overpopulation. Our planet has finite resources. You can only produce a finite amount of food and have a finite amount of water. In time, if we continue breeding uncontrolled as we are doing, we will reach the point where the planet cannot renew itself enough to maintain a habitable environment. Every person breathes air, drinks water and eats food. The more people tgere are, the more they eat, drink and breath. Our world population is growing exponentially,  predominantly growing in parts of the world where food is scarce or where the population has already exceeded the environments ability to sustain them. If we continue to send aid, food and water, they will continue to breed. If we give them resources, they will continue to breed. If we give them asylum,  they will continue to breed. They cannot control themselves, as we see every day. Giving asylum to these countries is comparable to throwing scraps, tiny morsels of food to a starving pack. There are more being born than any, even all, of the world could give asylum to. We would need to increase our refugee intake 1000 times to even keep up, and even then it woukd not be enough. Charities play on our compassion, because for them it's a money making exercise. Very little of the money we give actually makes it to the starving. And yet they still breed. The only solution is to dedicate ourselves to doing nothing but producing food and making water for these countries who cannot feed their ever growing populations. And do you know what the result of that would be? They would breed more. There is one answer We need to stop the breeding cycle These people must be stopped or the world will die. Give them aid, by all means, but at a cost. They must be permanently sterilized to receive the aid. In time, many years down the track, when numbers are stable,  they can breed in a sensible and sustainable manner. We would no longer need to send billions to feed a breeding machine. The wars that are there purely because there is not enough resources will stop. Perhaps even primitive cultures will migrate back to where their barbarity is acceptable, and they woukd leave us alone. But one thing is for sure What we are doing now is walking the road to destruction. We must stop it now or destroy the earth and civilization forever.

What does it matter if the Earth and civilisation are destroyed forever?

Do you think the Martians will miss us?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 10:05am:

Valkie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 5:02am: Ok people. This is not about climate change This is not about nuclear war. This is about the biggest threat to mankind, one that will destroy our planet more surely than either of the above. It's about overpopulation. Our planet has finite resources. You can only produce a finite amount of food and have a finite amount of water. In time, if we continue breeding uncontrolled as we are doing, we will reach the point where the planet cannot renew itself enough to maintain a habitable environment. Every person breathes air, drinks water and eats food. The modre people tgere are, the more they eat, drink and breath. Our world population is growing exponentially,  predominantly growing in parts of the world where food is scarce or where the population has already exceeded the environments ability to sustain them. If we continue to send aid, food and water, they will continue to breed. If we give them resources, they will continue to breed. If we give them asylum,  they will continue to breed. They cannot control themselves, as we see every day. Giving asylum to these countries is comparable to throwing scraps, tiny morsels of food to a starving pack. There are more being born than any, even all, of the world could give asylum to. We would need to increase our refugee intake 1000 times to even keep up, and even then it woukd not be enough. Charities play on our compassion, because for them it's a money making exercise. Very little of the money we give actually makes it to the starving. And yet they still breed. The only solution is to dedicate ourselves to doing nothing but producing food and making water for these countries who cannot feed their ever growing populations. And do you know what the result of that would be? They would breed more. There is one answer We need to stop the breeding cycle These people must be stopped or the world will die. Give them aid, by all means, but at a cost. They must be permanently sterilized to receive the aid. In time, many years down the track, when numbers are stable,  they can breed in a sensible and sustainable manner. We would no longer need to send billions to feed a breeding machine. The wars that are there purely because there is not enough resources will stop. Perhaps even primitive cultures will migrate back to where their barbarity is acceptable, and they woukd leave us alone. But one thing is for sure What we are doing now is walking the road to destruction. We must stop it now or destroy the earth and civilization forever. What does it matter if the Earth and civilisation are destroyed forever? Do you think the Martians will miss us?

Spoken like a defeated loser.

Term Dog wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 10:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 10:05am: Valkie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 5:02am: Ok people. This is not about climate change This is not about nuclear war. This is about the biggest threat to mankind, one that will destroy our planet more surely than either of the above. It's about overpopulation. Our planet has finite resources. You can only produce a finite amount of food and have a finite amount of water. In time, if we continue breeding uncontrolled as we are doing, we will reach the point where the planet cannot renew itself enough to maintain a habitable environment. Every person breathes air, drinks water and eats food. The modre people tgere are, the more they eat, drink and breath. Our world population is growing exponentially,  predominantly growing in parts of the world where food is scarce or where the population has already exceeded the environments ability to sustain them. If we continue to send aid, food and water, they will continue to breed. If we give them resources, they will continue to breed. If we give them asylum,  they will continue to breed. They cannot control themselves, as we see every day. Giving asylum to these countries is comparable to throwing scraps, tiny morsels of food to a starving pack. There are more being born than any, even all, of the world could give asylum to. We would need to increase our refugee intake 1000 times to even keep up, and even then it woukd not be enough. Charities play on our compassion, because for them it's a money making exercise. Very little of the money we give actually makes it to the starving. And yet they still breed. The only solution is to dedicate ourselves to doing nothing but producing food and making water for these countries who cannot feed their ever growing populations. And do you know what the result of that would be? They would breed more. There is one answer We need to stop the breeding cycle These people must be stopped or the world will die. Give them aid, by all means, but at a cost. They must be permanently sterilized to receive the aid. In time, many years down the track, when numbers are stable,  they can breed in a sensible and sustainable manner. We would no longer need to send billions to feed a breeding machine. The wars that are there purely because there is not enough resources will stop. Perhaps even primitive cultures will migrate back to where their barbarity is acceptable, and they woukd leave us alone. But one thing is for sure What we are doing now is walking the road to destruction. We must stop it now or destroy the earth and civilization forever. What does it matter if the Earth and civilisation are destroyed forever? Do you think the Martians will miss us? Spoken like a defeated loser.

It's a serious question - what does it matter?

Obviously the process of the world ending will not be good - many people will suffer.  That's a given.

After that, though, who will care that humans no longer exist?

Will the universe be worse off?

The end of the world is nigh.

Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first.

The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it.

Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 12:30pm:

The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there.

Why?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 12:32pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. Why?

The answer is obvious, you just need to do some soul searching.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 12:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. Why? The answer is obvious, you just need to do some soul searching.

Let's hear it then.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 12:51pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. Why? The answer is obvious, you just need to do some soul searching. Let's hear it then.

Your soul is your own, unless you have sold it.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. Why? The answer is obvious, you just need to do some soul searching. Let's hear it then. Your soul is your own, unless you have sold it.

White flag accepted.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. Why? The answer is obvious, you just need to do some soul searching. Let's hear it then. Your soul is your own, unless you have sold it. White flag accepted.

Is it worth selling your soul Greg.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:56pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. Why? The answer is obvious, you just need to do some soul searching. Let's hear it then. Your soul is your own, unless you have sold it. White flag accepted. Is it worth selling your soul Greg.

I don't need the cash.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 1:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:56pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. Why? The answer is obvious, you just need to do some soul searching. Let's hear it then. Your soul is your own, unless you have sold it. White flag accepted. Is it worth selling your soul Greg. I don't need the cash.

What about your rent next week?

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 1:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 1:02pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 1:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:56pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. Why? The answer is obvious, you just need to do some soul searching. Let's hear it then. Your soul is your own, unless you have sold it. White flag accepted. Is it worth selling your soul Greg. I don't need the cash. What about your rent next week?

You can skip it if you like.

It'll give you some extra spending money for Christmas.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 1:08pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 1:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 1:02pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 1:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:56pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. Why? The answer is obvious, you just need to do some soul searching. Let's hear it then. Your soul is your own, unless you have sold it. White flag accepted. Is it worth selling your soul Greg. I don't need the cash. What about your rent next week? You can skip it if you like. It'll give you some extra spending money for Christmas.

White flag accepted.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 1:08pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 1:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 1:02pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 1:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:56pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. Why? The answer is obvious, you just need to do some soul searching. Let's hear it then. Your soul is your own, unless you have sold it. White flag accepted. Is it worth selling your soul Greg. I don't need the cash. What about your rent next week? You can skip it if you like. It'll give you some extra spending money for Christmas. White flag accepted.

My gift to you.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 12:30pm:

The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there.

I beg to differ
Look at the population growth graphs.
With every additional person, more food must be produced, more methane from cows, less oxygen generating plants remain as the land is filled with grain crops.
People breath in oxygen and breath out........carbon dioxide.

Isn't this co2 what all the climate scientists are continually warning us about.
And with all the oxygen producing trees and sea life being consumed to feed an out of control population explosion, it will only get worse.

We must stop now

We must stop the aid, allow the overpopulated countries to get their population under control.

Not by genocide, but by compulsory sterilization.

Surely chemical sterilization can be achieved and given to over breeding nations.

If we stop the aid until their population decreases, they will put some effort I to achieving this end.

But while we give them more and more, they will expect more and more.

Population isn't that high yet. It just because everyone has been herded into the cities it seems that way

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

Population isn't that high yet. It just because everyone has been herded into the cities it seems that way Spot

It's a good point.

How does one determine if a country is overpopulated or not?

What's the magic formula?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

Population isn't that high yet. It just because everyone has been herded into the cities it seems that way Spot

Standing room only.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 3:16pm: Population isn't that high yet. It just because everyone has been herded into the cities it seems that way Spot It's a good point. How does one determine if a country is overpopulated or not? What's the magic formula?

Common sense.

If the land and country cannot feed it's population

It's overpopulated.

Irrespective of the reason, drought, war, floods, sinking islands, it's overpopulated for it's resources.

Also, if a country has to beg for aid and food, it's overpopulated.

It's really quite simple.

Valkie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 5:02am:

There is one answer We need to stop the breeding cycle These people must be stopped or the world will die. Give them aid, by all means, but at a cost. They must be permanently sterilized to receive the aid.

So tell us in a practical and realistic way how this mass, permanent sterilization would be implemented

Valkie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 5:02am:

Ok people. This is not about climate change This is not about nuclear war. This is about the biggest threat to mankind, one that will destroy our planet more surely than either of the above. It's about overpopulation. Our planet has finite resources. You can only produce a finite amount of food and have a finite amount of water. In time, if we continue breeding uncontrolled as we are doing, we will reach the point where the planet cannot renew itself enough to maintain a habitable environment. Every person breathes air, drinks water and eats food. The more people tgere are, the more they eat, drink and breath. Our world population is growing exponentially,  predominantly growing in parts of the world where food is scarce or where the population has already exceeded the environments ability to sustain them. If we continue to send aid, food and water, they will continue to breed. If we give them resources, they will continue to breed. If we give them asylum,  they will continue to breed. They cannot control themselves, as we see every day. Giving asylum to these countries is comparable to throwing scraps, tiny morsels of food to a starving pack. There are more being born than any, even all, of the world could give asylum to. We would need to increase our refugee intake 1000 times to even keep up, and even then it woukd not be enough. Charities play on our compassion, because for them it's a money making exercise. Very little of the money we give actually makes it to the starving. And yet they still breed. The only solution is to dedicate ourselves to doing nothing but producing food and making water for these countries who cannot feed their ever growing populations. And do you know what the result of that would be? They would breed more. There is one answer We need to stop the breeding cycle These people must be stopped or the world will die. Give them aid, by all means, but at a cost. They must be permanently sterilized to receive the aid. In time, many years down the track, when numbers are stable,  they can breed in a sensible and sustainable manner. We would no longer need to send billions to feed a breeding machine. The wars that are there purely because there is not enough resources will stop. Perhaps even primitive cultures will migrate back to where their barbarity is acceptable, and they woukd leave us alone. But one thing is for sure What we are doing now is walking the road to destruction. We must stop it now or destroy the earth and civilization forever.

When it does happen nature will find a way.

Famine then disease then most people will die all over the globe and we start again IF there is anyone left

Then again maybe man will be destroyed forever by his own hand, we seem to be on that road even without over population.

The smartest animal on this Earth is also the dumbest, because we think we are infallible.

I should add the oligarchical system of individualism where we don't seem to care about the collective doesn't help.

Maybe the next time around we will become the BORG....LOL.

Assimilate OR die.... :D

END OF THE WORLD = NORTH AMERICA

...Australia (AZLAROC) is at the Start of the World.

;) ;) ;)

Down Under (North America) but a Day Ahead of North America ;D 8-)

In regards to OVER-POPULATION...


The 'TRAP' of Australia becoming a Republic is that Australia is a PANDORA'S BOX. When the World opens Australia up for the 'future' - our MINIMALISTIC POPULATION GROWTH will be like a disease to the rest of the world.
Our population will explode and the rest of the world's population will plummet.
;D ;D ;D ;D

Valkie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 5:02am:

There is one answer We need to stop the breeding cycle These people must be stopped or the world will die. Give them aid, by all means, but at a cost. They must be permanently sterilized to receive the aid.

So tell us in a practical and realistic way how this mass, permanent sterilization would be implemented

SUPERNOVA

the fundamental result of 'over-population' and 'over-indulgence' of a world that 'burns itself out' and implodes.

Valkie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 5:02am:

Ok people. This is not about climate change This is not about nuclear war. This is about the biggest threat to mankind, one that will destroy our planet more surely than either of the above. It's about overpopulation. Our planet has finite resources. You can only produce a finite amount of food and have a finite amount of water. In time, if we continue breeding uncontrolled as we are doing, we will reach the point where the planet cannot renew itself enough to maintain a habitable environment. Every person breathes air, drinks water and eats food. The more people tgere are, the more they eat, drink and breath. Our world population is growing exponentially,  predominantly growing in parts of the world where food is scarce or where the population has already exceeded the environments ability to sustain them. If we continue to send aid, food and water, they will continue to breed. If we give them resources, they will continue to breed. If we give them asylum,  they will continue to breed. They cannot control themselves, as we see every day. Giving asylum to these countries is comparable to throwing scraps, tiny morsels of food to a starving pack. There are more being born than any, even all, of the world could give asylum to. We would need to increase our refugee intake 1000 times to even keep up, and even then it woukd not be enough. Charities play on our compassion, because for them it's a money making exercise. Very little of the money we give actually makes it to the starving. And yet they still breed. The only solution is to dedicate ourselves to doing nothing but producing food and making water for these countries who cannot feed their ever growing populations. And do you know what the result of that would be? They would breed more. There is one answer We need to stop the breeding cycle These people must be stopped or the world will die. Give them aid, by all means, but at a cost. They must be permanently sterilized to receive the aid. In time, many years down the track, when numbers are stable,  they can breed in a sensible and sustainable manner. We would no longer need to send billions to feed a breeding machine. The wars that are there purely because there is not enough resources will stop. Perhaps even primitive cultures will migrate back to where their barbarity is acceptable, and they woukd leave us alone. But one thing is for sure What we are doing now is walking the road to destruction. We must stop it now or destroy the earth and civilization forever.

Raven once heard an interesting hypothetical situation.

You are presented a box with a red button and given a choice to press it or not.

If you press the button half of the population of the planet is wiped out, completely at random. It could be anybody, even you. Of that half who remains, a third of them are rendered sterile. And in each proceeding generation a third will continue to remain sterile.

If you don't press the button the human race continues as is but is extinct within 300 years.

On paper it's an obvious choice. But do you want to be responsible for the murder of 4 billion people, one of which could be yourself?

Most people would blanche at that.

So let's sterilise a percentage of the population. Ok who? The third world? Or do we do it fairly and say, sterilise 33% of the population from each country?

Obviously what we are talking about is sterilising the poor. The problem is the poor outnumber us 100 fold, what happens to us if they decide, "no don't want to do that."

Also would the average person be comfortable with forced sterilisation of a populace? What happens if, when we run out of poor people, we find that those in power decide more need to culled. Some more undesirables need to go away. Where do we stop?

The fact is humanity, overall, will not accept a global sterilisation program. Procreation is too hardwired into our DNA. Raven would argue it's the very meaning of life.

No matter what we do, no matter what safe guards we put in place, our species will go extinct. But until that happens we fight to continue our species. Trying to sterilise a population could very well spark a fight the likes of which this planet has never seen.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

Population isn't that high yet. It just because everyone has been herded into the cities it seems that way Spot

I agree Spot- and one other thing- why the race to get to mars- as if the human race is worth expanding its destructive stupidity to yet another planet- the human race not that important- he continuation of the species is pure arrogant folly- humans are  a bloodsucking parasite- the day the humans are extinct is the day the earth will return to those who rightfully own it and take care of it- land and ocean animals/eventually

the concensus seems too be "we've fkd up this place - now we move on to the next" if GW is real and its seems it is we are all done for- I doubt any of us can turn this around now its gone too far- the only hope for all of us is global cooling

Valkie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm: The end of the world is nigh. Although over population would destroy our planet, global warming and the toxic pollutants will destroy us first. The oceans are absorbing heat and crap, if one part of our delicate ecological chain which needs thousands of years to adapt, not just a couple of hundred years, breaks down then Earth will be like Mars before we know it. Life is a miracle, we need to stick around long enough to find a way to send it out there. I beg to differ Look at the population growth graphs. With every additional person, more food must be produced, more methane from cows, less oxygen generating plants remain as the land is filled with grain crops. People breath in oxygen and breath out........carbon dioxide. Isn't this co2 what all the climate scientists are continually warning us about. And with all the oxygen producing trees and sea life being consumed to feed an out of control population explosion, it will only get worse. We must stop now We must stop the aid, allow the overpopulated countries to get their population under control. Not by genocide, but by compulsory sterilization. Surely chemical sterilization can be achieved and given to over breeding nations. If we stop the aid until their population decreases, they will put some effort I to achieving this end. But while we give them more and more, they will expect more and more.

If you dig a well for itinerant herdsmen, and water becomes available for their flocks, the flocks will increase.. competition will arise to water flocks.... pushing the market for water to its limit ... as the flocks increase the range they need to travel to find food grows since the flocks denude the local fodder and the circle increases ...... eventually the flocks must go so far to find fodder that they cannot return to the water, and all die.... those that haven't died of thirst first because of competition for water.....

Cut lost nations loose and let them settle their own population problems... that's about all we can do to preserve our own... endless immigration is a lost cause and destroys the host country.

When Europe imported masses of Muslims they were looking for a workforce - they forgot they were bringing people, who brought with them their own culture and ideas, and rapidly asserted these in ghetto like structures..... you know the result by now, and the same process is occurring here.

WHY does Australia need an 'unskilled workforce' in the millions when governments respective have been devastating Australian industry?  To prop up artificial 'growth'?  DUUUUUH!

The 'End of the World' is a re-occurring 'theme' of THE WESTERN ideology and existence of running back into the past for the future is doomed.

Australia (Aurora: Dawn of Time) is ironically, the reverse.

Which one do you live in? :-?

Raven wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Valkie wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 5:02am: Ok people. This is not about climate change This is not about nuclear war. This is about the biggest threat to mankind, one that will destroy our planet more surely than either of the above. It's about overpopulation. Our planet has finite resources. You can only produce a finite amount of food and have a finite amount of water. In time, if we continue breeding uncontrolled as we are doing, we will reach the point where the planet cannot renew itself enough to maintain a habitable environment. Every person breathes air, drinks water and eats food. The more people tgere are, the more they eat, drink and breath. Our world population is growing exponentially,  predominantly growing in parts of the world where food is scarce or where the population has already exceeded the environments ability to sustain them. If we continue to send aid, food and water, they will continue to breed. If we give them resources, they will continue to breed. If we give them asylum,  they will continue to breed. They cannot control themselves, as we see every day. Giving asylum to these countries is comparable to throwing scraps, tiny morsels of food to a starving pack. There are more being born than any, even all, of the world could give asylum to. We would need to increase our refugee intake 1000 times to even keep up, and even then it woukd not be enough. Charities play on our compassion, because for them it's a money making exercise. Very little of the money we give actually makes it to the starving. And yet they still breed. The only solution is to dedicate ourselves to doing nothing but producing food and making water for these countries who cannot feed their ever growing populations. And do you know what the result of that would be? They would breed more. There is one answer We need to stop the breeding cycle These people must be stopped or the world will die. Give them aid, by all means, but at a cost. They must be permanently sterilized to receive the aid. In time, many years down the track, when numbers are stable,  they can breed in a sensible and sustainable manner. We would no longer need to send billions to feed a breeding machine. The wars that are there purely because there is not enough resources will stop. Perhaps even primitive cultures will migrate back to where their barbarity is acceptable, and they woukd leave us alone. But one thing is for sure What we are doing now is walking the road to destruction. We must stop it now or destroy the earth and civilization forever. Raven once heard an interesting hypothetical situation. You are presented a box with a red button and given a choice to press it or not. If you press the button half of the population of the planet is wiped out, completely at random. It could be anybody, even you. Of that half who remains, a third of them are rendered sterile. And in each proceeding generation a third will continue to remain sterile. If you don't press the button the human race continues as is but is extinct within 300 years. On paper it's an obvious choice. But do you want to be responsible for the murder of 4 billion people, one of which could be yourself? Most people would blanche at that. So let's sterilise a percentage of the population. Ok who? The third world? Or do we do it fairly and say, sterilise 33% of the population from each country? Obviously what we are talking about is sterilising the poor. The problem is the poor outnumber us 100 fold, what happens to us if they decide, "no don't want to do that." Also would the average person be comfortable with forced sterilisation of a populace? What happens if, when we run out of poor people, we find that those in power decide more need to culled. Some more undesirables need to go away. Where do we stop? The fact is humanity, overall, will not accept a global sterilisation program. Procreation is too hardwired into our DNA. Raven would argue it's the very meaning of life. No matter what we do, no matter what safe guards we put in place, our species will go extinct. But until that happens we fight to continue our species. Trying to sterilise a population could very well spark a fight the likes of which this planet has never seen.

Give the button to an old white man/woman with no children, no sense of family or society beyond right now, no thought of consequence of how the world will turn out for others, let alone their non existent progeny, a political agenda, like Macron/Merkel. You think that will work?

You think people like him, or Merkel, may have already pushed the button?

You can't give the button away, but the point is the hypothetical situation applies to youas you are now.

Raven wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 11:22pm:

You can't give the button away, but the point is the hypothetical situation applies to youas you are now.

If the button works as you have said, I would push it. I would push it knowing what I have to lose or gain. There would be no other option if extinction was the alternative.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 11:25pm:

Raven wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 11:22pm: You can't give the button away, but the point is the hypothetical situation applies to youas you are now. If the button works as you have said, I would push it. I would push it knowing what I have to lose or gain. There would be no other option if extinction was the alternative.

Even knowing that there is a 50/50 chance that every person you know and love could be wiped out while you survive? It's easy to say on paper....

Raven wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 11:34pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 11:25pm: Raven wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 11:22pm: You can't give the button away, but the point is the hypothetical situation applies to youas you are now. If the button works as you have said, I would push it. I would push it knowing what I have to lose or gain. There would be no other option if extinction was the alternative. Even knowing that there is a 50/50 chance that every person you know and love could be wiped out while you survive? It's easy to say on paper....

Yeah, I think so. Pretty sure so if the other choice was no-one survives. If I push the button, I lose half my family and 1/3 of their reproductive capacity. If I don't, they all die forever. Just get an old man to make the call to take self preservation out of the equation.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 11:45pm:

Raven wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 11:34pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 11:25pm: Raven wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 11:22pm: You can't give the button away, but the point is the hypothetical situation applies to youas you are now. If the button works as you have said, I would push it. I would push it knowing what I have to lose or gain. There would be no other option if extinction was the alternative. Even knowing that there is a 50/50 chance that every person you know and love could be wiped out while you survive? It's easy to say on paper.... Yeah, I think so. Pretty sure so if the other choice was no-one survives. If I push the button, I lose half my family and 1/3 of their reproductive capacity. If I don't, they all die forever. Just get an old man to make the call to take self preservation out of the equation.

Only you can make the choice, no one else.

And if you don't do it your loved ones will still live full lives. It's only 300 years from now that humanity dies.

Raven wrote on Dec 20^th, 2018 at 11:52pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 11:45pm: Raven wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 11:34pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 11:25pm: Raven wrote on Dec 20th, 2018 at 11:22pm: You can't give the button away, but the point is the hypothetical situation applies to youas you are now. If the button works as you have said, I would push it. I would push it knowing what I have to lose or gain. There would be no other option if extinction was the alternative. Even knowing that there is a 50/50 chance that every person you know and love could be wiped out while you survive? It's easy to say on paper.... Yeah, I think so. Pretty sure so if the other choice was no-one survives. If I push the button, I lose half my family and 1/3 of their reproductive capacity. If I don't, they all die forever. Just get an old man to make the call to take self preservation out of the equation. Only you can make the choice, no one else. And if you don't do it your loved ones will still live full lives. It's only 300 years from now that humanity dies.

I'm an old man, kinda. I want my DNA to continue for as long as it can. It's been my life's work. My DNA has been given to me by survivors from the beginning of man. Although there are so many billions of us, do you understand how lucky you are to be here? One ancestor killed, you don't exist. We that are alive today hold the DNA of those that survived, continued living. I could not betray that with self pity.

I would push your hypothetical button.

I woukd push the button

Primarily because at least half of the world's worthless woukd die.

And in the competition for success and survival, the remaining parasites woukd perish, leaving a better world.

Imagine if only politicians, bankers and multinational survived a holocaust

The world woukd be doomed to eventual destruction or regression into animals.

They have no skills, could not even build a trap or make an engine run.

But then again, perhaps it woukd be better for the world to be rid of humans.
And the subhuman grubberment, multinationals and other worthless parasites.

From a humanitarian perspective its obvious the wrong questions and solutions are being discussed when there is only when question with the planets survival for human life...should climate change denying conservative types who still believe in fantasy science be drowned at birth to save the planet....?

Indeed who would Jesus save.....the meek ..?...or the aggressive privileged elite profiting on pollution...? 

Time is running out.
Even Humanity has to pass the 'Tests'.
He has risen up amongst the Animal kingdom and by 'conquering' it - humanity has 'survived' that Test.
Sadly, many still linger in the past and are now 'annihilating' the Animal kingdom like a mass extinction. Scientists are to blame as well as people with guns. They have invented many 'destructive' things as well.

Now we must pass through the waist of the hour-glass of Time. That 'eye of the needle' - The Test to survive OURSELVES and that time is near at hand.

Humanity has conquered the Animal.
Can Humanity now conquer itself?
That waist of the Hour-Glass is very narrow. Only 5% of the 'grains' of sand - can pass through.

Humanity - as a species, must die. In order for this planet to live. Can we lay down the life of our species for this - our planet? Can we make that sacrifice?
It takes a true intelligent species to move out into the Stars. But you will never get a true intelligent species until it has had a precedence (that failed) and that precedence is Humanity.

Humanity is about to discover its own... mortality.

The earth's population will cap out at about 11billion people.

That's still a bloody lot of people.

If you want to limit the number of people, talking about the breeding cycle isn't the best way to look at it.

You have to ask why people around the world want so many children and large families.

For those in the developing world, there is a high child mortality rate so they have larger families in order to have a better chance at their children surviving, by the numbers.

Many in the same situation need their children to help tend to the farms or earn money to help their families put food on the table.

There is also men's egos that see the size of their family as how virile they are.

Sterilising the 3rd world nations, which given the OP is Valkie, the final solution will either be something like that, or genocide of the tinted races, but putting that lunacy aside, there is really only one solution to the population crisis.

That's to remove the need for these people to have such large families.  This means improving the child mortality rates, better education so the next generations don't have to be child workers etc, basically, help the 3rd world out from below the poverty line.

It wasn't that many years ago that Australia or even England and the US had larger families.  Now the average children per couple have lowered in some cases to not even sustain current population levels.  Through better improvements in healthcare, education and society, without the need to sterilise people, this has been the natural progression.

The same can be said for these other communities, if you want a long term solution to the problem.

But given the OP, this thread doesn't seem like a genuine one in that the concern is more about genocide and wiping out an entire people than finding an actual solution, just an excuse to justify it.

I suggest anyone not looking for an excuse for ethnic cleansing watch this video,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyzBoHo5EI

Antidote for over population....?

Education and civilization........!

Proven to work, look at the first world.

It will never happen of course cause the oligarchy is too busy raping and pillaging the third world that's why they're left in squalor and poverty.

Oh and lets not forget WAR.

The basis for 'over-population' was that, especially in Europe, Middle-East & Asia the stats showed that the 'bigger armies' prevailed. Sure - tactics did throw some weight behind a success in battle, as did technological advancement in weaponry/armour. But it was the greater numbers that really won en-mass... most of the time.

Also the idea that when one people took 'power' over another, then 'out-breeding' the enemy was the only option left for survival.
Alas, there is not many justifications for quite a few nations on this planet currently, to have them 'irresponsibly' over-populate and pump out kids (future cannon fodder) that they can't really feed, educate, etc.

But of course the prime rule of thumb is probably exhibited by the Homo-Sapiens eventually 'out-breeding' the Neanderthals, Denisovians, the African offshoot and the remaining pockets of early Hominid species that clung on to a lonely existence in their twilight years.
So - in essence, the race that out-breeds the others will inherit the 'physical' future, but to do that - they fold upon any 'culture' of their own and adopt the culture of those they out-breeded.

NOTE: But like the life-cycle of a person, eventually the 'era' of having kids comes to an end and it is the 'culture' of the person that soon becomes the priority. So too - will humanity stop pumping out 'kiddies' by the billions and 'retire' into a QUALITY over QUANTITY future.