Scott Morrison announces anti-corruption commission, buckling to crossbench pressure

Scott Morrison to establish a federal ICAC
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The Commissions would not be able to operate retrospectively.

Why are they so afraid of giving retrospective powers to the Federal anti-corruption commission? Have you got something to hide, Mr Morrison?

Bam wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 12:32pm:

Why are they so afraid of giving retrospective powers to the Federal anti-corruption commission? Have you got something to hide, Mr Morrison?

How much retrospectivity do you wish? 50 years, 25 years, 10 years, 2 years?

lee wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 13th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Why are they so afraid of giving retrospective powers to the Federal anti-corruption commission? Have you got something to hide, Mr Morrison? How much retrospectivity do you wish? 50 years, 25 years, 10 years, 2 years?

The same level of retrospectivity the government has imposed on anyone who is accidentally overpaid by Centrelink $200: no statute of limitations at all.

After all, they are both taking money from the taxpayer they're not entitled to receive, so why not make them both the same?

The real question that must be answered: why is Morrison so scared of retrospectivity? You would think they've got something to hide.

Bam wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 1:17pm:

The same level of retrospectivity the government has imposed on anyone who is accidentally overpaid by Centrelink $200: no statute of limitations at all.

So that would include people like Al Grassby, Lionel Murphy, Michael Teti, Sam Dastyari. ;)

lee wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 1:57pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 13th, 2018 at 1:17pm: The same level of retrospectivity the government has imposed on anyone who is accidentally overpaid by Centrelink $200: no statute of limitations at all. So that would include people like Al Grassby, Lionel Murphy, Michael Teti, Sam Dastyari. ;)

Excellent. Make them all pay for their corruption.

"But the Coalition’s proposed integrity commission will operate outside of public view, with the investigative body to make no public findings, hold no public hearings, and refer any recommendations directly to prosecutors, who will make the ultimate decision on whether or not to go forward with a case."

Yeah...Right.

Lobo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 2:34pm:

"But the Coalition’s proposed integrity commission will operate outside of public view, with the investigative body to make no public findings, hold no public hearings, and refer any recommendations directly to prosecutors, who will make the ultimate decision on whether or not to go forward with a case." Yeah...Right.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Why keep this in the dark?

They had no trouble making the ABCC have hearings in public, so why have closed hearings here?

lee wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 1:57pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 13th, 2018 at 1:17pm: The same level of retrospectivity the government has imposed on anyone who is accidentally overpaid by Centrelink $200: no statute of limitations at all. So that would include people like Al Grassby, Lionel Murphy, Michael Teti, Sam Dastyari. ;)

That would depend if they have already been prosecuted for their crimes....When does a crime cease to be a crime and get overlooked....I have no problem with the new integrity commission looking into all Politicians over the last decade or even longer....Why would anyone want to let these bastards off the hook???

:-? :-? :-?

Quick as a flash ScoMo pulls the rug from under sluggish Shorty.

Slow and sluggish Shorty is used to slow moving people like Labor types and just can't cope with fast slippery opportunity grabbing slickies like ScoMo.

And, as predicted, ScoMo has grabbed sluggish Shorty's main unfunded health farce policy by quickly boosting hospitals and health.

And ScoMo has effortlessly reduced housing prices without any of the Labor imbeciles' banning neg gearing and capital gains Socialist insanity.

And ScoMo has launched Australia's Space Industry in SA to boost votes there. Won't Labor and the unions try to quickly close it down as part of their Greenies' CLOSE DOWN ALL INDUSTRY IN AUSTRALIA big policy.

And ScoMo has already moved to reduce power prices by stopping gaming by the private operators while Labor prepares to increase power prices by 5 to 6 times with their crippling of the power network and their Carbon Tax.

And Dutto and ScoMo have stopped Labor in their tracks by threatening to send about 5 Labor + independent Section 44 violators to the High Court. LameDuck Phelpsy is shuddering in her slippers.

And ScoMo is cleverly widely advertising Labor's vicious Socialist Retiree tax which is designed to force retirees into Industrial Super so the unions can pilfer their money.

And ScoMo is having the time of his life rubbishing Shorty's RESTART the BOATS main policy.

And Labor's main support group GetUp! must be choking on their own slime as they make stuffup after stuffup.


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ScoMo the Shorty killer

lee wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 13th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Why are they so afraid of giving retrospective powers to the Federal anti-corruption commission? Have you got something to hide, Mr Morrison? How much retrospectivity do you wish? 50 years, 25 years, 10 years, 2 years?

All of the above......

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

All of the above......

So in reality only one. The 50 years option covers the others. ;)

lee wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 5:51pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 13th, 2018 at 5:47pm: All of the above...... So in reality only one. The 50 years option covers the others. ;)

Add 'em together to make sure we clean the rat's nests out completely... won't work but still..
and we want public hearings and such - by what right does a government withhold information from those who employ it?  Is it to cover the reality that Morrison will order his Geheime Staats Polizei to investigate only opponents?

The man is an idiot clearly.... we're not going to buy this, and Shorten has a lay down misere by coming out and saying that  once a case has been developed the nation will be informed...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

Add 'em together to make sure we clean the rat's nests out completely... won't work but still..

Yeah. Most politicians would be dead from over 50 years ago.

Yet another ALP policy implemented from opposition. 

stunspore wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

Yet another ALP policy implemented from opposition.

Partially implemented. This Coalition proposal is weak. No transparency. No retrospectivity. It is but a toothless chihuahua.

What are the Coalition trying to hide?

Here's a list to make the Coalition shake in their boots if investigated: Indue, Gwabegar, Murray-Darling water entitlements, Calabrian Mafia, a long list of closed tenders that happened to go to their mates or donors. That's just a sample.

Bam wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Here's a list to make the Coalition shake in their boots if investigated: Indue, Gwabegar, Murray-Darling water entitlements, Calabrian Mafia, a long list of closed tenders that happened to go to their mates or donors. That's just a sample.

Isn't the Calabrian Mafia mixed up with Labor as well?

Bam wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

stunspore wrote on Dec 13th, 2018 at 6:10pm: Yet another ALP policy implemented from opposition.  Partially implemented. This Coalition proposal is weak. No transparency. No retrospectivity. It is but a toothless chihuahua. What are the Coalition trying to hide? Here's a list to make the Coalition shake in their boots if investigated: Indue, Gwabegar, Murray-Darling water entitlements, Calabrian Mafia, a long list of closed tenders that happened to go to their mates or donors. That's just a sample.

True that they only got the idea but not the policy.  Now how many of the coalition will it catch?

Is that more legislation Labor have passed from opposition  ;D

Its time wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 9:14pm:

Is that more legislation Labor have passed from opposition

If it is introduced by the Coalition- no.

If it were introduced by Labor then yes.

You do see the difference; don't you?

lee wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 13th, 2018 at 8:36pm: Here's a list to make the Coalition shake in their boots if investigated: Indue, Gwabegar, Murray-Darling water entitlements, Calabrian Mafia, a long list of closed tenders that happened to go to their mates or donors. That's just a sample. Isn't the Calabrian Mafia mixed up with Labor as well?

Look at you go,  defending your Whitney

Its time wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 9:26pm:

Look at you go,  defending your Whitney

Who is Whitney? I am not defending anyone.

I am just pointing out be careful what you wish for, it may come back to bite you on the bum.

Super Bill will fix it..

I can hear the flutter of wings already  hes on his way..

there will be no TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD>>

no no wait a minute   who said that  ..

its hard to remember   WE WILL HAVE A SUPLUS NO IFS OR BUTS>>

no no wait  he said

WHATEVER SHE SAID I AGREE WITH>>

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

he is so reliable.. :)

lee wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 13th, 2018 at 8:36pm: Here's a list to make the Coalition shake in their boots if investigated: Indue, Gwabegar, Murray-Darling water entitlements, Calabrian Mafia, a long list of closed tenders that happened to go to their mates or donors. That's just a sample. Isn't the Calabrian Mafia mixed up with Labor as well?

If there was anything to see here, surely the Coalition would have investigated it? Why haven't they?

lee wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 13th, 2018 at 5:54pm: Add 'em together to make sure we clean the rat's nests out completely... won't work but still.. Yeah. Most politicians would be dead from over 50 years ago.

Try and hang their corpses...

Bam wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 10:16pm:

If there was anything to see here, surely the Coalition would have investigated it? Why haven't they?

maybe there is no proof of wrong doing by either. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Non corrupt liberals? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Morrison finally caves on federal ICAC
13 December 2018
ACTU

The Morrison Government has announced a federal anti-corruption commission after years of opposing the idea, even in the face of overwhelming public pressure.

The ACTU is concerned that model announced by the Prime Minister is critically deficient and won’t address corruption. It will not hold public hearings, issue reports, make findings against individuals or have the power to examine historical issues, all of which will hobble the ability of the commission to meaningfully pursue and address corruption.

In May this year, Christian Porter, who today announced the establishment of the commission, stated that it was unnecessary, because there was no “persuasive evidence” that current methods of tackling corruption are insufficient.

As with the Banking Royal Commission, the Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison Government has been forced to adopt a much-needed reform with massive public support only when their political position became untenable.

Quotes attributable to ACTU Secretary Sally McManus: 

“It’s concerning that Scott Morrison has proposed a body that lacks the crucial elements and powers of effective anti-corruption commissions around the country.

“This is a cynical political move by a government that doesn’t believe in anything other than giving money to employers and hanging onto power for themselves.

“A federal ICAC has long been an obvious hole in out anti-corruption framework, but it has taken years of pressure for this Government to finally listen to the public and act in the best interest of the country rather than protecting their own.”

whiteknight wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 7:35am:

Morrison finally caves on federal ICAC 13 December 2018 ACTU The Morrison Government has announced a federal anti-corruption commission after years of opposing the idea, even in the face of overwhelming public pressure. The ACTU is concerned that model announced by the Prime Minister is critically deficient and won’t address corruption. It will not hold public hearings, issue reports, make findings against individuals or have the power to examine historical issues, all of which will hobble the ability of the commission to meaningfully pursue and address corruption. In May this year, Christian Porter, who today announced the establishment of the commission, stated that it was unnecessary, because there was no “persuasive evidence” that current methods of tackling corruption are insufficient. As with the Banking Royal Commission, the Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison Government has been forced to adopt a much-needed reform with massive public support only when their political position became untenable. Quotes attributable to ACTU Secretary Sally McManus:  “It’s concerning that Scott Morrison has proposed a body that lacks the crucial elements and powers of effective anti-corruption commissions around the country. “This is a cynical political move by a government that doesn’t believe in anything other than giving money to employers and hanging onto power for themselves. “A federal ICAC has long been an obvious hole in out anti-corruption framework, but it has taken years of pressure for this Government to finally listen to the public and act in the best interest of the country rather than protecting their own.”

About time this corrupt pack of rabble realised the jig is up and the public want an end to their bullsh*t? They are totally out of step with the general public and need to go now!

why didnt SUPER BILL call for  a BANK ROYAL when he was ass treasurer he had 6 long years    

WHAT STOPPED HIM?>

why didnt he start an FED ICAC while he was at it????????.....



just curious.

cods wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 8:23am:

why didnt SUPER BILL call for  a BANK ROYAL when he was ass treasurer he had 6 long years     WHAT STOPPED HIM?> why didnt he start an FED ICAC while he was at it????????..... just curious.

Why didn't the Howard government? The detrimental effects of banking deregulation started then.

lee wrote on Dec 13^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 13th, 2018 at 12:32pm: Why are they so afraid of giving retrospective powers to the Federal anti-corruption commission? Have you got something to hide, Mr Morrison? How much retrospectivity do you wish? 50 years, 25 years, 10 years, 2 years?

Why have a fixed time at all?

IBAC investigates alleged 'serious misconduct' by police during Silk-Miller murder investigation

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Alleged "serious misconduct" by Victoria Police in the taking of witness statements during an investigation into the 1998 murder of two police officers will be the subject of public hearings by the state's anti-corruption body.

This happened 20 years ago, and it's being investigated by IBAC. IBAC was established in 2011. Corruption and misconduct should have no statute of limitations.

Bam wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 8:58am:

Why have a fixed time at all?

What are you going to do with 150 year old revelations someone was on the take? Dig them up, hang them and re-inter them? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Bam wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 8:58am:

This happened 20 years ago, and it's being investigated by IBAC. IBAC was established in 2011. Corruption and misconduct should have no statute of limitations.

Wow. Do you think 20 years would be covered by a 50 year limit? ;)

macman wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 5:49am:

Non corrupt liberals?

You mean as opposed to non corrupt labor? You really think only one side of politics would have dirty washing? Do the names Dastyari, Murphy ring bells?

How naive. ;D ;D

lee wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

macman wrote on Dec 14th, 2018 at 5:49am: Non corrupt liberals? You mean as opposed to non corrupt labor? You really think only one side of politics would have dirty washing? Do the names Dastyari, Murphy ring bells? How naive. ;D ;D

They all paid a price for their stupidity, unlike the corrupt liberal a----holes like Senodinus who have been protected by their party from answering for their corrupt activities. Why do you think Abbott sacked Sinodinus out of his cabinet? Only for Turdbull to reinstate him as a junior minister. Royal commission into all this bull--it as soon as possible please Bill.

macman wrote on Dec 15^th, 2018 at 9:03pm:

They all paid a price for their stupidity, unlike the corrupt liberal a----holes like Senodinus who have been protected by their party from answering for their corrupt activities.

What penalty was imposed on Murphy?

lee wrote on Dec 15^th, 2018 at 11:52pm:

macman wrote on Dec 15th, 2018 at 9:03pm: They all paid a price for their stupidity, unlike the corrupt liberal a----holes like Senodinus who have been protected by their party from answering for their corrupt activities. What penalty was imposed on Murphy?

I believe Murphy appealed against his conviction and it was overturned. I presume that is what you are talking about. In the case of Sinodinos, he is as guilty as they come and was only saved by his party.   

lee wrote on Dec 15^th, 2018 at 11:52pm:

macman wrote on Dec 15th, 2018 at 9:03pm: They all paid a price for their stupidity, unlike the corrupt liberal a----holes like Senodinus who have been protected by their party from answering for their corrupt activities. What penalty was imposed on Murphy?

Ancient history... get with the times....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 10:02am:

Ancient history... get with the times....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 10:02am:

Ancient history... get with the times....

It was macman's claim that they had "all paid a price for their stupidity".

Still I guess eventual death is a price. But it is hardly elective. ;)

This is typical of the Liberal Party who jump to protect the institutions that have served them to feather their own nests....The Coalition do not want transparency and will do everything in their power to limit scrutiny and accountability as this proposal confirms....No doubt an ex Liberal or corporate thief will be given the role as commissioner if Liberal Party has it's way....This rabble must go???

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