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Message started by whiteknight on Dec 9th, 2018 at 7:17am

Title: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by whiteknight on Dec 9th, 2018 at 7:17am
Stop Adani protesters gather in cities, take aim at Scott Morrison's activism comments


9 Dec 2018
ABC News


Student activists who felt condescended by the Prime Minister have vowed to remove the Liberal Party from power — and keep it out — as long as it maintains its current climate policies.
Key points:   :)

    A national survey showed a majority of respondents supported student protests on climate change
    Rallies took place in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Cairns
    Junior activists said the Prime Minister's comments compelled them to march

Thousands of protesters gathered in capital cities on the east coast on Saturday in a coordinated march against Indian energy giant Adani's Carmichael mine and rail project.

At the end of last month, Adani announced the scaled-back $2 billion controversial coal mine in the Galilee Basin would go ahead and would be 100 per cent self-financed, with work starting before Christmas.

While the attendees at the rally were diverse, it was school-aged students who were leading the crowds.

"It's awful to see our leader feels like we shouldn't have opinions and we shouldn't care and they shouldn't listen to us," 14-year-old Jean Hinchliffe said in response to Mr Morrison's calls last week for "less activism in schools".   :(

"It's just atrocious. As students we are very informed and very educated and that's why we're taking action.

"We're fighting for our own futures."


Jean was the organiser of the Big School Walk Out in Sydney, which saw thousands of students leave classrooms and march through the streets.

She spoke to more than 1,000 people at Sydney's Town Hall Square on Saturday and said it was unlikely to be her last time marching against the Coalition.

The PM wants "less activism" in schools, but experts say it's all part of a "civics education".

A national ReachTell poll conducted after the student strikes showed 62.7 per cent of the 2,345 surveyed agree school students have a right to "demand that the Morrison Government act urgently" on climate change. 

The number increased to 80 per cent among Labor voters, whose party were a target of fury at Saturday's protests for their perceived silence on the Carmichael mine.
PM's comments galvanised students

Like Jean, many young students who appeared at the rallies on Saturday were part of the thousands of Australian students who defied Scott Morrison's call to stay in school.

While school-aged students will not be eligible to vote in next year's federal and state elections, they are becoming the face of the Stop Adani and climate strike movements determined to make it a persistent election issue.
A school girl hold a sign which reads: I've seen smarter cabinets at Ikea".


Daisy Jeffrey, 16, from Conservatorium High School in Sydney, said she was interested in a future in politics and Mr Morrison's comments had galvanised her, and dozens of her peers, to take to the streets.   :)

"It wasn't disheartening, it made us more angry and more determined to go out on the streets," Daisy said.

In addition to Sydney, rallies were held in Brisbane, Melbourne and Cairns.

In Melbourne, hundreds of people sat down in the middle of the busy Flinders Street intersection, blocking traffic in a bid to draw attention to their cause.
young girl holding a sign that read hands off aboriginal land
Protesters gathered outside the Adani office in Brisbane before marching to Parliament House.

Mother Elizabeth Campbell said she was inspired by the children's call-to-arms on an issue that will impact them the most.

"We need a planet to live on, the kids are leading the way and I wanted to support them," she said.

    "I'm really hoping it will become an election issue and it could be a tipping point. If so, the kids have done it, and that is incredible."   :)

An Adani Mining spokesperson said the company welcomed the democratic expression.

"All we ask is that people's opinions are based on facts and that they don't put lives at risk through irresponsible, illegal and unsafe protest behaviour," the spokesperson said.

"We recognise there are varied opinions about the Carmichael project and encourage everyone to voice them safely and respectfully.

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by cods on Dec 9th, 2018 at 8:36am
seriously   I would like one of these students to tell us what they or their parents relied on for many many years to produce all the iddy biddy things they love in their lives today????


fossil fuel ::) ::)   did any of them use petrol to get there crook?...nah! didnt think so. >:(

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Term Dog on Dec 9th, 2018 at 8:52am
These students are the greatest beneficiaries and consumers of a fossil fuel economy. I bet they will refuse to take one step back from their high energy consumption lives in a transition away from fossil fuels.

They should study some math.

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Armchair_Politician on Dec 9th, 2018 at 9:00am
Get back to school, kids.

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by macman on Dec 9th, 2018 at 9:59am
These kids are probally better educated than any of you more ons and they will have to clean up the mess we leave behind. You know, same as shorty will have clean up the coalitions mess when they get smashed next year. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Sir lastnail on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:05am

cods wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 8:36am:
seriously   I would like one of these students to tell us what they or their parents relied on for many many years to produce all the iddy biddy things they love in their lives today????


fossil fuel ::) ::)   did any of them use petrol to get there crook?...nah! didnt think so. >:(


those iddy biddy things are fast filling up the oceans and land fills with plastic junk and all because of the mythical growth fairy chasing printed dollar bills with no intrinsic value. History will treat us badly as some kind of lunatic species :(

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Sir lastnail on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:07am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 9:00am:
Get back to school, kids.


And when they do go to school and University and study climate sciences you conservative pricks always want to tell them that they don't know what they are talking about so why bother going to school in the first place ?

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Term Dog on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:23am

macman wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 9:59am:
These kids are probally better educated than any of you more ons and they will have to clean up the mess we leave behind. You know, same as shorty will have clean up the coalitions mess when they get smashed next year. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


"
better educated than any of you more ons "

Funny.

These kids have more money spent on their education but they are way less competent according to comparative longitudinal data than previous similar cohorts. 

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by cods on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:25am

macman wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 9:59am:
These kids are probally better educated than any of you more ons and they will have to clean up the mess we leave behind. You know, same as shorty will have clean up the coalitions mess when they get smashed next year. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



I cant wait.... here comes SUPER BILL...he will fix everything that ails us..

what a man!

bring him on....

hes all ours... :) :)

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by lee on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:31am

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:07am:
And when they do go to school and University and study climate sciences you conservative pricks always want to tell them that they don't know what they are talking about so why bother going to school in the first place ?



yeah. Strange that. CO2 levels greater than 400ppm in 1945. Haven't shown anything.

Climate models are not science and they show far more warming than observations.

The new climate mantra - "if the observations don't match the models change the observational data."

RCP 8.5 is not business-as-usual as portrayed by the "Climate Science" TM industry.

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Term Dog on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:35am

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 9:00am:
Get back to school, kids.


And when they do go to school and University and study climate sciences you conservative pricks always want to tell them that they don't know what they are talking about so why bother going to school in the first place ?




$100 says these student leaders will never study a technical course in their lives, contribute nothing to finding a solution and will never have a technical understanding of the issues they protest.

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Dnarever on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:40am

Term Dog wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 8:52am:
These students are the greatest beneficiaries and consumers of a fossil fuel economy. I bet they will refuse to take one step back from their high energy consumption lives in a transition away from fossil fuels.

They should study some math.


Yep right up till the day it kills them or their children..

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Dnarever on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:44am

cods wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:25am:

macman wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 9:59am:
These kids are probally better educated than any of you more ons and they will have to clean up the mess we leave behind. You know, same as shorty will have clean up the coalitions mess when they get smashed next year. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



I cant wait.... here comes SUPER BILL...he will fix everything that ails us..

what a man!

bring him on....

hes all ours... :) :)


INO Bill is a substandard option but miles superior to the Liberals.

The same is the way the Gillard government were destroyed out of political dishonesty. A good government not given any chance at all.

In the last 20 odd years besides Gillard all Australian PM's have been absolute rubbish and that is set to continue no matter who wins elections in the foreseeable future.

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by lee on Dec 9th, 2018 at 11:26am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:44am:
The same is the way the Gillard government were destroyed out of political dishonesty. A good government not given any chance at all.



"This budget will return us to surplus". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by macman on Dec 9th, 2018 at 12:43pm

lee wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 11:26am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:44am:
The same is the way the Gillard government were destroyed out of political dishonesty. A good government not given any chance at all.



"This budget will return us to surplus". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Who said

"No cuts to the ABC , no cuts to schools, etc. etc" and then slashed and burnt everything in sight? Clue--- Worst PM in australian history with initials A A. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by 56 44 on Dec 9th, 2018 at 12:49pm
Thank goodness the worst government in my lifetime will be dead decapitated and drop punted to the wastelands next year

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Sir lastnail on Dec 9th, 2018 at 1:26pm

lee wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:31am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:07am:
And when they do go to school and University and study climate sciences you conservative pricks always want to tell them that they don't know what they are talking about so why bother going to school in the first place ?



yeah. Strange that. CO2 levels greater than 400ppm in 1945. Haven't shown anything.

Climate models are not science and they show far more warming than observations.

The new climate mantra - "if the observations don't match the models change the observational data."

RCP 8.5 is not business-as-usual as portrayed by the "Climate Science" TM industry.


see what I mean !!

Another dimwit that has never been to school will tell those kids to stop protesting and stay at school :D LOL

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by stunspore on Dec 9th, 2018 at 1:46pm
It's why the coalition government wants go trash the education system - make them dumber so they can keep voting in the coalition.

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Sir lastnail on Dec 9th, 2018 at 3:13pm

stunspore wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
It's why the coalition government wants go trash the education system - make them dumber so they can keep voting in the coalition.


yes and get all of your education from the murdoch press :D LOL

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by cods on Dec 9th, 2018 at 3:17pm

stunspore wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
It's why the coalition government wants go trash the education system - make them dumber so they can keep voting in the coalition.



not at all not at all..

BILL WILL FIX IT I TELL YA..

we will have the biggest brains of the century

and all for FREE..thats the best part....

cant wait....

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by cods on Dec 9th, 2018 at 3:19pm

Its time wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Thank goodness the worst government in my lifetime will be dead decapitated and drop punted to the wastelands next year



oh pet   how soon you forgot about 2007/2013...

wipe those years from your mind petal...

so much worth forgetting  we understand....

dont forget the libs

STOPPED THE BOATS...


but dont worry petal

BILL will bring them BACK


i cant wait!

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by stunspore on Dec 9th, 2018 at 3:24pm

cods wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

stunspore wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
It's why the coalition government wants go trash the education system - make them dumber so they can keep voting in the coalition.



not at all not at all..

BILL WILL FIX IT I TELL YA..

we will have the biggest brains of the century

and all for FREE..thats the best part....

cant wait....


Yes, the ALP will increase funding to education.

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by 56 44 on Dec 9th, 2018 at 3:26pm

cods wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 3:19pm:

Its time wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Thank goodness the worst government in my lifetime will be dead decapitated and drop punted to the wastelands next year



oh pet   how soon you forgot about 2007/2013...

wipe those years from your mind petal...

so much worth forgetting  we understand....

dont forget the libs

STOPPED THE BOATS...


but dont worry petal

BILL will bring them BACK


i cant wait!


Bill the master strategist will let the imbeciles from team Libtard run with it wasting valuable resources and capital and right when it counts he will say what he's always said,  the boats will stay stopped  ;D

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by cods on Dec 9th, 2018 at 3:34pm

Its time wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 3:26pm:

cods wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 3:19pm:

Its time wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Thank goodness the worst government in my lifetime will be dead decapitated and drop punted to the wastelands next year



oh pet   how soon you forgot about 2007/2013...

wipe those years from your mind petal...

so much worth forgetting  we understand....

dont forget the libs

STOPPED THE BOATS...


but dont worry petal

BILL will bring them BACK


i cant wait!


Bill the master strategist will let the imbeciles from team Libtard run with it wasting valuable resources and capital and right when it counts he will say what he's always said,  the boats will stay stopped  ;D



THEY ARE ALREADY ON THEIR WA


yippee...

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by lee on Dec 9th, 2018 at 5:36pm

macman wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 12:43pm:
Who said

"No cuts to the ABC , no cuts to schools, etc. etc" and then slashed and burnt everything in sight? Clue--- Worst PM in australian history with initials A A



Were the a member of the you beaut sacked before their time Labor Government too? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by lee on Dec 9th, 2018 at 5:39pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 1:26pm:
see what I mean !!

Another dimwit that has never been to school will tell those kids to stop protesting and stay at school



All that and not one single piece of rebuttal. Are you a "Climate Scientist" TM?

You do know what rebuttal is?

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Ye Grappler on Dec 9th, 2018 at 9:39pm

Term Dog wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 8:52am:
These students are the greatest beneficiaries and consumers of a fossil fuel economy. I bet they will refuse to take one step back from their high energy consumption lives in a transition away from fossil fuels.

They should study some math.


.. and they will be better served with renewables such as the Setanta Scheme through the Great Dividing Range, diverting water to the inland and generating power, and the twin GAIA schemes of The Grappler, and a host of renewables such as wind and sun coming online rapidly...

Start-up costs are always high for new systems - look at the Sydney Harbour Bridge and the NSW Government Railways ... transport made this country, and the Snowy Hydro, financed over the long term, powered it...... and prices should reflect the LONG term and not the short term smash and grab current style of 'privatised' business for basic utilities....

If a government can afford the Sydney to Brisbane Freeway, they can afford bigger and more encompassing utilities that benefit the majority for a change.... s'all a matter of priorities... innit!

Bring Back The Guillotine!

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by lee on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:09pm
"Climate scientist says costs of implementing UN report aren't worth it
"This is not just any old climate scientist. This is Yale economist William D. Nordhaus, who according to the New York Times, "has spent the better part of four decades trying to persuade governments to address climate change, preferably by imposing a tax on carbon emissions." In recognition of his work he was awarded the 2018 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences.

Why he is skeptical about the cost-benefit ratio of steps that the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is explained in "New Nobel laureate William Nordhaus says the costs of proposed CO2 cuts aren’t worth it.":

    The IPCC report significantly underestimates the costs of getting to zero emissions. Fossil fuels provide cheap, efficient power, whereas green energy remains mostly uncompetitive. Switching to more expensive, less efficient technology slows development. In poor nations that means fewer people lifted out of poverty. In rich ones it means the most vulnerable are hit by higher energy bills..."

http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2018/10/climate-scientist-says-costs-of-implementing-un-report-arent-worth-it/

So even a Nobel winner who has been a champion of CO2 mitigation doubts its cost effectiveness. Nordhaus was the father of the 2C limit.

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Sir lastnail on Dec 9th, 2018 at 11:26pm

lee wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 5:39pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 1:26pm:
see what I mean !!

Another dimwit that has never been to school will tell those kids to stop protesting and stay at school



All that and not one single piece of rebuttal. Are you a "Climate Scientist" TM?

You do know what rebuttal is?


Are you ?

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by aquascoot on Dec 10th, 2018 at 6:19am
teachers arent very bright nowdays.
you can get into teacher training with a very low OP.
and they teach a left wing doctrine.
activism is just a lazy way to virtue signal.
if kids want to improve the environment, then i have 1000's of acres of national park near me over run with crofton weed, bathurst burr, coffee bush, giant ragweed and lawyer vine.

they could make a real difference by cleaning that up.

but its far easier to wave a placard and feel like you have achieved something
you havent
all youve done is pumped your ego and tricked your brain into the fact that you are a good person
you arent

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by lee on Dec 10th, 2018 at 7:08pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 11:26pm:
All that and not one single piece of rebuttal. Are you a "Climate Scientist" TM?



Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 11:26pm:
Are you ?


Nope. But I quote science as rebuttal. That is why I asked you. You just don't do even basic science. No rebuttals just ad homs. ;)

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by Term Dog on Dec 10th, 2018 at 7:21pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 10th, 2018 at 6:19am:
teachers arent very bright nowdays.
you can get into teacher training with a very low OP.
and they teach a left wing doctrine.
activism is just a lazy way to virtue signal.
if kids want to improve the environment, then i have 1000's of acres of national park near me over run with crofton weed, bathurst burr, coffee bush, giant ragweed and lawyer vine.

they could make a real difference by cleaning that up.

but its far easier to wave a placard and feel like you have achieved something
you havent
all youve done is pumped your ego and tricked your brain into the fact that you are a good person
you arent


Truth, hence we have all this internet outrage and no action these days.

Title: Re: Students Take Aim At Morrison's Activism Comments
Post by philperth2010 on Dec 10th, 2018 at 7:53pm

lee wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 10:09pm:
"Climate scientist says costs of implementing UN report aren't worth it
"This is not just any old climate scientist. This is Yale economist William D. Nordhaus, who according to the New York Times, "has spent the better part of four decades trying to persuade governments to address climate change, preferably by imposing a tax on carbon emissions." In recognition of his work he was awarded the 2018 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences.

Why he is skeptical about the cost-benefit ratio of steps that the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is explained in "New Nobel laureate William Nordhaus says the costs of proposed CO2 cuts aren’t worth it.":

    The IPCC report significantly underestimates the costs of getting to zero emissions. Fossil fuels provide cheap, efficient power, whereas green energy remains mostly uncompetitive. Switching to more expensive, less efficient technology slows development. In poor nations that means fewer people lifted out of poverty. In rich ones it means the most vulnerable are hit by higher energy bills..."

http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2018/10/climate-scientist-says-costs-of-implementing-un-report-arent-worth-it/

So even a Nobel winner who has been a champion of CO2 mitigation doubts its cost effectiveness. Nordhaus was the father of the 2C limit.


You claim you use science to peddle your bullshit and use a blog as your source which uses Bjorn Lomborg's opinion piece on William Nordhaus instead of the actual author in question....What did William Nordhaus actually say???

::) ::) ::)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/13/climate/nordhaus-carbon-tax-interview.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/business/economic-science-nobel-prize.html

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