Australia's economic growth slows rapidly to 2.8pc

Its going to slow even further if Chinese trade drops and further still if oil prices stay low or go lower.

Zero wage growth,  poor economic growth,  a stagnant moribund graveyard and the libs motto when faced with the facts,  we won't let labor talk down the economy

Deary deary deary me  ::)

this could be reversed.

morrison and shorten need to tell fat steve and fat janeen that they need to stop the complaining and start some businesses.

they need to tell fat steve and fat janeen that they live at the pinnacle of prosperity and that no one ever had it easier then an australian living in 2018.

they need to tell them that if they cant contribute and push thru problems and be a source of positive joy and inspiration , then they freaking suck.

they need to tell them that to complain and whine and expect canberra to fix all their problems is to descend into the mind frame of a 4 yo.

scott
bill
help
help me.

when i was 4 i had a problem and my mummy helped me

are you my mummy scott
are you my mummy bill.

why wont anyone help me
i'm sad
i think i'll construct my personality around it
the story of me.

"me,me ,me and my rough little life"

i think i'll tell everyone about it and post my complaints on line.

just so you know
just so you know.




do that if you want.
self pity is totally understandable
its also totally useless by the way.

the fact that our politicians pander to this sort of self destruction is unforgiveable

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 12:04am:

Its going to slow even further if Chinese trade drops and further still if oil prices stay low or go lower.

That is not correct. Oil prices constrain the economy more when they are high, not when they are low. Higher oil prices cause higher fuel prices and this takes money out of the economy.

This problem will persist until we wean ourselves off imported oil-based fuel. Encouraging the replacement of petrol vehicles with electric vehicles and introducing a domestic biofuel industry should be considered.

Bam wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 8:09am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:04am: Its going to slow even further if Chinese trade drops and further still if oil prices stay low or go lower. That is not correct. Oil prices constrain the economy more when they are high, not when they are low. Higher oil prices cause higher fuel prices and this takes money out of the economy. This problem will persist until we wean ourselves off imported oil-based fuel. Encouraging the replacement of petrol vehicles with electric vehicles and introducing a domestic biofuel industry should be considered.

Oil prices have an effect on LNG prices.

Long-term contracts cover 80+% of the LNG market and are linked to oil price. Spot prices may reflect supply and demand.

Australia's newest LNG projects are hurting because of low prices which may persist for decades as new LNG projects are coming on stream.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-column-russell-lng-asia-idUSKCN0YH0ZE


Quote:

... This dichotomy is likely to up buyer pressure on producers to amend or renegotiate long-term contracts to make them reflect the realities of the natural gas and LNG markets, rather than the oil market. However, producers will have little incentive to end oil-linked contracts, as this would cut their revenues substantially and expose them further to the glut of LNG that is expected to persist for several years to come. The oversupply of LNG may actually worsen in coming years as more U.S. projects ramp up and the last of the eight major Australian ventures come to full production. This means buyers increasingly hold the upper hand, making it more likely that producers will have to accept lower prices in order to grow demand. ...

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 6:04am:

this could be reversed. morrison and shorten need to tell fat steve and fat janeen that they need to stop the complaining and start some businesses. they need to tell fat steve and fat janeen that they live at the pinnacle of prosperity and that no one ever had it easier then an australian living in 2018. they need to tell them that if they cant contribute and push thru problems and be a source of positive joy and inspiration , then they freaking suck. they need to tell them that to complain and whine and expect canberra to fix all their problems is to descend into the mind frame of a 4 yo. scott bill help help me. when i was 4 i had a problem and my mummy helped me are you my mummy scott are you my mummy bill. why wont anyone help me i'm sad i think i'll construct my personality around it the story of me. "me,me ,me and my rough little life" i think i'll tell everyone about it and post my complaints on line. just so you know just so you know. do that if you want. self pity is totally understandable its also totally useless by the way. the fact that our politicians pander to this sort of self destruction is unforgivable

What a load of bullshit....If the Government cannot provide leadership and implement policies that provide certainty and clarity to business and investment the economy suffers and so do the public....Blaming the public when the economy is flat and investment id declining is typical right wing wanker stuff....If the Government takes responsibility when things are going well they deserve the blame when things are going bad especially when it is their fault....No policies, No leadership and no f@#king idea....This rabble must go!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 9:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 6:04am: this could be reversed. morrison and shorten need to tell fat steve and fat janeen that they need to stop the complaining and start some businesses. they need to tell fat steve and fat janeen that they live at the pinnacle of prosperity and that no one ever had it easier then an australian living in 2018. they need to tell them that if they cant contribute and push thru problems and be a source of positive joy and inspiration , then they freaking suck. they need to tell them that to complain and whine and expect canberra to fix all their problems is to descend into the mind frame of a 4 yo. scott bill help help me. when i was 4 i had a problem and my mummy helped me are you my mummy scott are you my mummy bill. why wont anyone help me i'm sad i think i'll construct my personality around it the story of me. "me,me ,me and my rough little life" i think i'll tell everyone about it and post my complaints on line. just so you know just so you know. do that if you want. self pity is totally understandable its also totally useless by the way. the fact that our politicians pander to this sort of self destruction is unforgivable What a load of bullshit....If the Government cannot provide leadership and implement policies that provide certainty and clarity to business and investment the economy suffers and so do the public....Blaming the public when the economy is flat and investment id declining is typical right wing wanker stuff....If the Government takes responsibility when things are going well they deserve the blame when things are going bad especially when it is their fault....No policies, No leadership and no f@#king idea....This rabble must go!!! ::) ::) ::)

heres a thought.
youre a grown man
how about YOU provide leadership and go start a business and employ some people.

No?

i guess its just easier to complain and behave like a little puke that wants Scott and Bill to look after him and wipe his bottom from"cradle to grave"  ::) ::)

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 9:19am:

Bam wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:09am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:04am: Its going to slow even further if Chinese trade drops and further still if oil prices stay low or go lower. That is not correct. Oil prices constrain the economy more when they are high, not when they are low. Higher oil prices cause higher fuel prices and this takes money out of the economy. This problem will persist until we wean ourselves off imported oil-based fuel. Encouraging the replacement of petrol vehicles with electric vehicles and introducing a domestic biofuel industry should be considered. Oil prices have an effect on LNG prices. Long-term contracts cover 80+% of the LNG market and are linked to oil price. Spot prices may reflect supply and demand. Australia's newest LNG projects are hurting because of low prices which may persist for decades as new LNG projects are coming on stream. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-column-russell-lng-asia-idUSKCN0YH0ZE Quote: ... This dichotomy is likely to up buyer pressure on producers to amend or renegotiate long-term contracts to make them reflect the realities of the natural gas and LNG markets, rather than the oil market. However, producers will have little incentive to end oil-linked contracts, as this would cut their revenues substantially and expose them further to the glut of LNG that is expected to persist for several years to come. The oversupply of LNG may actually worsen in coming years as more U.S. projects ramp up and the last of the eight major Australian ventures come to full production. This means buyers increasingly hold the upper hand, making it more likely that producers will have to accept lower prices in order to grow demand. ...

Australia imports about 90% of its automotive and aviation fuel. High prices here have a broad stifling effect on the economy.

A good proportion of LNG profits go overseas, Most motorists are not going to hold enough shares in LNG companies to hedge against high fuel prices.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 10:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:27am: aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 6:04am: this could be reversed. morrison and shorten need to tell fat steve and fat janeen that they need to stop the complaining and start some businesses. they need to tell fat steve and fat janeen that they live at the pinnacle of prosperity and that no one ever had it easier then an australian living in 2018. they need to tell them that if they cant contribute and push thru problems and be a source of positive joy and inspiration , then they freaking suck. they need to tell them that to complain and whine and expect canberra to fix all their problems is to descend into the mind frame of a 4 yo. scott bill help help me. when i was 4 i had a problem and my mummy helped me are you my mummy scott are you my mummy bill. why wont anyone help me i'm sad i think i'll construct my personality around it the story of me. "me,me ,me and my rough little life" i think i'll tell everyone about it and post my complaints on line. just so you know just so you know. do that if you want. self pity is totally understandable its also totally useless by the way. the fact that our politicians pander to this sort of self destruction is unforgivable What a load of bullshit....If the Government cannot provide leadership and implement policies that provide certainty and clarity to business and investment the economy suffers and so do the public....Blaming the public when the economy is flat and investment id declining is typical right wing wanker stuff....If the Government takes responsibility when things are going well they deserve the blame when things are going bad especially when it is their fault....No policies, No leadership and no f@#king idea....This rabble must go!!! ::) ::) ::) heres a thought. youre a grown man how about YOU provide leadership and go start a business and employ some people. No? i guess its just easier to complain and behave like a little puke that wants Scott and Bill to look after him and wipe his bottom from"cradle to grave"  ::) ::)

Here is a thought....How about the Government does what it is elected to do and show some leadership....Instead of blaming the public because the economy is slowing how about you get your head out of your fat ass and place the blame were it belongs....You are all about blaming other people for this crap Government....Typical right wing dickhead!!!

::) ::) ::)

Bammy is telling fibs to ally his great worry that Labor will fall in a heap as ScoMo rips it apart by alarming the population so much they see Labor as evil unAustralian ogres.

Actually the economy is going rather well and the Libs will have a SURPLUS in their excellent pro-Australia BUDGET next year.

Compare this to the failure Swanny's disastrous debt ridden FUDGET attempts with the DEBT growing worse with each messed up unfunded FUDGET.

Joe Hockey promised a surplus in 2014  ;D

wayne and julia did in 2010 20111 2012even 2013 no ifs or buts..

never fear Bill will deliver you watch.

WA's finest the Polly Waffle VIRUS strikes again with more delirious Fake News. The Polly Waffle VIRUS hasn't got a clue about Labor's shaky house of cards built on unfunded renamed Greeny junk "Policies".

Make no mistake the Greenies will control Labor thru the Senate creating the WORST "GOVT" in Australia's history plundering and pillorying all that is sacred in Australia.

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 12:31pm:

wayne and julia did in 2010 20111 2012even 2013 no ifs or buts.. never fear Bill will deliver you watch.

And then the Liberals had the chutzpah to blame Labor for restraining spending to balance the Budget. With this amount of spin, the Liberals have the wrong occupation. They should have been bowling leg spin in Test cricket.

Bam wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 1:10pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:31pm: wayne and julia did in 2010 20111 2012even 2013 no ifs or buts.. never fear Bill will deliver you watch. And then the Liberals had the chutzpah to blame Labor for restraining spending to balance the Budget. With this amount of spin, the Liberals have the wrong occupation. They should have been bowling leg spin in Test cricket.

lefties were left a SURPLUS     and what did the LIBS get left with?????..

lets not forget when they left the SURPLUS   they had also cleared KEATINGS MASSIVE DEBT.as well.. :)

you do tend to forget those small details bam... ::) ::)

you never give credit where its due.

Bam wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 8:09am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:04am: Its going to slow even further if Chinese trade drops and further still if oil prices stay low or go lower. That is not correct. Oil prices constrain the economy more when they are high, not when they are low. Higher oil prices cause higher fuel prices and this takes money out of the economy. This problem will persist until we wean ourselves off imported oil-based fuel. Encouraging the replacement of petrol vehicles with electric vehicles and introducing a domestic biofuel industry should be considered.

There is also the argument that jobs are lost when projects no longer become viable... without jobs people lose their houses!

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 11:00am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:27am: aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 6:04am: this could be reversed. morrison and shorten need to tell fat steve and fat janeen that they need to stop the complaining and start some businesses. they need to tell fat steve and fat janeen that they live at the pinnacle of prosperity and that no one ever had it easier then an australian living in 2018. they need to tell them that if they cant contribute and push thru problems and be a source of positive joy and inspiration , then they freaking suck. they need to tell them that to complain and whine and expect canberra to fix all their problems is to descend into the mind frame of a 4 yo. scott bill help help me. when i was 4 i had a problem and my mummy helped me are you my mummy scott are you my mummy bill. why wont anyone help me i'm sad i think i'll construct my personality around it the story of me. "me,me ,me and my rough little life" i think i'll tell everyone about it and post my complaints on line. just so you know just so you know. do that if you want. self pity is totally understandable its also totally useless by the way. the fact that our politicians pander to this sort of self destruction is unforgivable What a load of bullshit....If the Government cannot provide leadership and implement policies that provide certainty and clarity to business and investment the economy suffers and so do the public....Blaming the public when the economy is flat and investment id declining is typical right wing wanker stuff....If the Government takes responsibility when things are going well they deserve the blame when things are going bad especially when it is their fault....No policies, No leadership and no f@#king idea....This rabble must go!!! ::) ::) ::) heres a thought. youre a grown man how about YOU provide leadership and go start a business and employ some people. No? i guess its just easier to complain and behave like a little puke that wants Scott and Bill to look after him and wipe his bottom from"cradle to grave"  ::) ::) Here is a thought....How about the Government does what it is elected to do and show some leadership....Instead of blaming the public because the economy is slowing how about you get your head out of your fat ass and place the blame were it belongs....You are all about blaming other people for this crap Government....Typical right wing dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::)

aqua believes if you don't own a 50 year old company you're a failure: IMAGINE THAT FOR A DAD LOL!  :D

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 1:22pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:09am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:04am: Its going to slow even further if Chinese trade drops and further still if oil prices stay low or go lower. That is not correct. Oil prices constrain the economy more when they are high, not when they are low. Higher oil prices cause higher fuel prices and this takes money out of the economy. This problem will persist until we wean ourselves off imported oil-based fuel. Encouraging the replacement of petrol vehicles with electric vehicles and introducing a domestic biofuel industry should be considered. There is also the argument that jobs are lost when projects no longer become viable... without jobs people lose their houses!

stop worrying drah  Bill will fix everything hes promised... :) :)

I cant wait to see what he is going to throw at me....he hasnt got to us dependents yet!

but I know he will...on ya Bill. :)

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 1:22pm: Bam wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:09am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:04am: Its going to slow even further if Chinese trade drops and further still if oil prices stay low or go lower. That is not correct. Oil prices constrain the economy more when they are high, not when they are low. Higher oil prices cause higher fuel prices and this takes money out of the economy. This problem will persist until we wean ourselves off imported oil-based fuel. Encouraging the replacement of petrol vehicles with electric vehicles and introducing a domestic biofuel industry should be considered. There is also the argument that jobs are lost when projects no longer become viable... without jobs people lose their houses! stop worrying drah  Bill will fix everything hes promised... :) :) I cant wait to see what he is going to throw at me....he hasnt got to us dependents yet! but I know he will...on ya Bill. :)

I'm not worried: you only need one house in this life!

Is Futility in search of Failure really in a Nursing Home ?

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 1:16pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 1:10pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:31pm: wayne and julia did in 2010 20111 2012even 2013 no ifs or buts.. never fear Bill will deliver you watch. And then the Liberals had the chutzpah to blame Labor for restraining spending to balance the Budget. With this amount of spin, the Liberals have the wrong occupation. They should have been bowling leg spin in Test cricket. lefties were left a SURPLUS     and what did the LIBS get left with?????.. lets not forget when they left the SURPLUS   they had also cleared KEATINGS MASSIVE DEBT.as well.. :) you do tend to forget those small details bam... ::) ::) you never give credit where its due.

Do you really think there has only been one surplus in our history? Do you think the Libs have never been left a surplus and then gone into deficit?

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 1:16pm: Bam wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 1:10pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:31pm: wayne and julia did in 2010 20111 2012even 2013 no ifs or buts.. never fear Bill will deliver you watch. And then the Liberals had the chutzpah to blame Labor for restraining spending to balance the Budget. With this amount of spin, the Liberals have the wrong occupation. They should have been bowling leg spin in Test cricket. lefties were left a SURPLUS     and what did the LIBS get left with?????.. lets not forget when they left the SURPLUS   they had also cleared KEATINGS MASSIVE DEBT.as well.. :) you do tend to forget those small details bam... ::) ::) you never give credit where its due. Do you really think there has only been one surplus in our history? Do you think the Libs have never been left a surplus and then gone into deficit?

cods is back on the metho!

Must have been those nasty liberal voting parnents: oooops, i obviously meant "L"iberal voting parents!

:o :o :o :o :o :o

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 1:16pm: Bam wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 1:10pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:31pm: wayne and julia did in 2010 20111 2012even 2013 no ifs or buts.. never fear Bill will deliver you watch. And then the Liberals had the chutzpah to blame Labor for restraining spending to balance the Budget. With this amount of spin, the Liberals have the wrong occupation. They should have been bowling leg spin in Test cricket. lefties were left a SURPLUS     and what did the LIBS get left with?????.. lets not forget when they left the SURPLUS   they had also cleared KEATINGS MASSIVE DEBT.as well.. :) you do tend to forget those small details bam... ::) ::) you never give credit where its due. Do you really think there has only been one surplus in our history? Do you think the Libs have never been left a surplus and then gone into deficit?

Sure Labor has left a surplus.  The last one was in 1989.  Almost 30 years ago   :D

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 4:14pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 4:05pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 1:16pm: Bam wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 1:10pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:31pm: wayne and julia did in 2010 20111 2012even 2013 no ifs or buts.. never fear Bill will deliver you watch. And then the Liberals had the chutzpah to blame Labor for restraining spending to balance the Budget. With this amount of spin, the Liberals have the wrong occupation. They should have been bowling leg spin in Test cricket. lefties were left a SURPLUS     and what did the LIBS get left with?????.. lets not forget when they left the SURPLUS   they had also cleared KEATINGS MASSIVE DEBT.as well.. :) you do tend to forget those small details bam... ::) ::) you never give credit where its due. Do you really think there has only been one surplus in our history? Do you think the Libs have never been left a surplus and then gone into deficit? Sure Labor has left a surplus.  The last one was in 1989.  Almost 30 years ago   :D

Care to tell us how many we have had and which side they were under? I believe it's pretty damned even.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 4:39pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 4:14pm: Sure Labor has left a surplus.  The last one was in 1989.  Almost 30 years ago   :D Care to tell us how many we have had and which side they were under? I believe it's pretty damned even.

Yes, it's fairly even. Labor's slightly ahead on the ratio but the difference isn't significant.

Surpluses are overrated. The Liberals' idol Menzies never delivered a Budget surplus and neither did Fraser. The number of Liberal PMs who delivered a surplus: one. Labor PMs who delivered a surplus: two.

A Budget surplus is often a sign of economical malaise, such as high inflation (Whitlam) or an overheated economy (Hawke, Howard). None of these governments managed the surplus well. The Whitlam government spent too much, the Hawke government didn't save enough, and the Howard government pissed it all away in unsustainable tax cuts and massive increases in ongoing spending. The Morrison government is going down the same structural insanity that the Liberals always pursue: tens of billions a year in unfunded tax cuts. If debt was such a problem, why isn't the Morrison government using more of the projected surplus to pay it off? Why piss it all away in tax cuts - again?

Bill Shorten Can't Remember Labor's Last Surplus, Probably Because It Was In 1989
'Owwwlublublub.'
By David Barden
Opposition leader Bill Shorten struggled to remember the last time Labor delivered a budget surplus during an awkward exchange with Today host Karl Stefanovic on Wednesday.

"I guess I was an adult," Shorten said, but only after making a weird, rolling-tongue mumble while trying to think of an answer.




;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::)

hummm  whatever she said I agree with....

stumbling bill the dill.

anyway   surplus  doesnt mean anything when its the Libs that deliver.....hilarious...

talk about selective politics...

Bam wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 5:16pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 4:39pm: Black Orchid wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 4:14pm: Sure Labor has left a surplus.  The last one was in 1989.  Almost 30 years ago   :D Care to tell us how many we have had and which side they were under? I believe it's pretty damned even. Yes, it's fairly even. Labor's slightly ahead on the ratio but the difference isn't significant. Surpluses are overrated. The Liberals' idol Menzies never delivered a Budget surplus and neither did Fraser. The number of Liberal PMs who delivered a surplus: one. Labor PMs who delivered a surplus: two. A Budget surplus is often a sign of economical malaise, such as high inflation (Whitlam) or an overheated economy (Hawke, Howard). None of these governments managed the surplus well. The Whitlam government spent too much, the Hawke government didn't save enough, and the Howard government pissed it all away in unsustainable tax cuts and massive increases in ongoing spending. The Morrison government is going down the same structural insanity that the Liberals always pursue: tens of billions a year in unfunded tax cuts. If debt was such a problem, why isn't the Morrison government using more of the projected surplus to pay it off? Why piss it all away in tax cuts - again?

I wasn't saying they were good. Surpluses are money taken out of the economy via taxation when that money would do better work flowing around the economy in the private sector rather than sitting in govt coffers waiting to be used as pork to buy votes at the next election.

edit: Oh, who was Fraser's treasurer again?

Debt can be both good and bad, depending on what you've spent the money on. :)

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

Debt can be both good and bad, depending on what you've spent the money on. :)

Agreed, and if you want to build up some infrastructure and big capital projects, now is the time to lock in cheap money.

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 5:26pm:

Bill Shorten Can't Remember Labor's Last Surplus, Probably Because It Was In 1989 'Owwwlublublub.' By David Barden Opposition leader Bill Shorten struggled to remember the last time Labor delivered a budget surplus during an awkward exchange with Today host Karl Stefanovic on Wednesday. "I guess I was an adult," Shorten said, but only after making a weird, rolling-tongue mumble while trying to think of an answer. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) hummm  whatever she said I agree with.... stumbling bill the dill. anyway   surplus  doesnt mean anything when its the Libs that deliver.....hilarious... talk about selective politics...

He will be your pm and  he will do a great job - you will both be proud of Shorty  ;)

His speech was Statesman quality today as opposed to slowmos who was sloppy rushed and insincere

Agnes wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 7:02pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 5:26pm: Bill Shorten Can't Remember Labor's Last Surplus, Probably Because It Was In 1989 'Owwwlublublub.' By David Barden Opposition leader Bill Shorten struggled to remember the last time Labor delivered a budget surplus during an awkward exchange with Today host Karl Stefanovic on Wednesday. "I guess I was an adult," Shorten said, but only after making a weird, rolling-tongue mumble while trying to think of an answer. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) hummm  whatever she said I agree with.... stumbling bill the dill. anyway   surplus  doesnt mean anything when its the Libs that deliver.....hilarious... talk about selective politics... He will be your pm and  he will do a great job - you will both be proud of Shorty  ;)

::) cods is a metho drinking idiot!

Secret Wars wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 6:45pm: Debt can be both good and bad, depending on what you've spent the money on. :) Agreed, and if you want to build up some infrastructure and big capital projects, now is the time to lock in cheap money.

What else is a credit rating for?

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Agnes wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 7:02pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 5:26pm: Bill Shorten Can't Remember Labor's Last Surplus, Probably Because It Was In 1989 'Owwwlublublub.' By David Barden Opposition leader Bill Shorten struggled to remember the last time Labor delivered a budget surplus during an awkward exchange with Today host Karl Stefanovic on Wednesday. "I guess I was an adult," Shorten said, but only after making a weird, rolling-tongue mumble while trying to think of an answer. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) hummm  whatever she said I agree with.... stumbling bill the dill. anyway   surplus  doesnt mean anything when its the Libs that deliver.....hilarious... talk about selective politics... He will be your pm and  he will do a great job - you will both be proud of Shorty  ;) ::) cods is a metho drinking idiot!

Haven't you taken holidays for that before?

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 8:21pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:02pm: Agnes wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 7:02pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 5:26pm: Bill Shorten Can't Remember Labor's Last Surplus, Probably Because It Was In 1989 'Owwwlublublub.' By David Barden Opposition leader Bill Shorten struggled to remember the last time Labor delivered a budget surplus during an awkward exchange with Today host Karl Stefanovic on Wednesday. "I guess I was an adult," Shorten said, but only after making a weird, rolling-tongue mumble while trying to think of an answer. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) hummm  whatever she said I agree with.... stumbling bill the dill. anyway   surplus  doesnt mean anything when its the Libs that deliver.....hilarious... talk about selective politics... He will be your pm and  he will do a great job - you will both be proud of Shorty  ;) ::) cods is a metho drinking idiot! Haven't you taken holidays for that before?

Um, maybe!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:21pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:02pm: Agnes wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 7:02pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 5:26pm: Bill Shorten Can't Remember Labor's Last Surplus, Probably Because It Was In 1989 'Owwwlublublub.' By David Barden Opposition leader Bill Shorten struggled to remember the last time Labor delivered a budget surplus during an awkward exchange with Today host Karl Stefanovic on Wednesday. "I guess I was an adult," Shorten said, but only after making a weird, rolling-tongue mumble while trying to think of an answer. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) hummm  whatever she said I agree with.... stumbling bill the dill. anyway   surplus  doesnt mean anything when its the Libs that deliver.....hilarious... talk about selective politics... He will be your pm and  he will do a great job - you will both be proud of Shorty  ;) ::) cods is a metho drinking idiot! Haven't you taken holidays for that before? Um, maybe!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Probably best not to do it unless you are looking for more.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:31pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:21pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:02pm: Agnes wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 7:02pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 5:26pm: Bill Shorten Can't Remember Labor's Last Surplus, Probably Because It Was In 1989 'Owwwlublublub.' By David Barden Opposition leader Bill Shorten struggled to remember the last time Labor delivered a budget surplus during an awkward exchange with Today host Karl Stefanovic on Wednesday. "I guess I was an adult," Shorten said, but only after making a weird, rolling-tongue mumble while trying to think of an answer. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) hummm  whatever she said I agree with.... stumbling bill the dill. anyway   surplus  doesnt mean anything when its the Libs that deliver.....hilarious... talk about selective politics... He will be your pm and  he will do a great job - you will both be proud of Shorty  ;) ::) cods is a metho drinking idiot! Haven't you taken holidays for that before? Um, maybe!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Probably best not to do it unless you are looking for more.

I'll consider myself warned by thou!                     **************Hey, btw: ever considered telling cods to give up the metho instead of warning me to stop being helpful?  :o :o :o :o :o  ;)

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 8:39pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:33pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:31pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:21pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:02pm: Agnes wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 7:02pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 5:26pm: Bill Shorten Can't Remember Labor's Last Surplus, Probably Because It Was In 1989 'Owwwlublublub.' By David Barden Opposition leader Bill Shorten struggled to remember the last time Labor delivered a budget surplus during an awkward exchange with Today host Karl Stefanovic on Wednesday. "I guess I was an adult," Shorten said, but only after making a weird, rolling-tongue mumble while trying to think of an answer. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) hummm  whatever she said I agree with.... stumbling bill the dill. anyway   surplus  doesnt mean anything when its the Libs that deliver.....hilarious... talk about selective politics... He will be your pm and  he will do a great job - you will both be proud of Shorty  ;) ::) cods is a metho drinking idiot! Haven't you taken holidays for that before? Um, maybe!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Probably best not to do it unless you are looking for more. I'll consider myself warned by thou!                     **************Hey, btw: ever considered telling cods to give up the metho instead of warning me to stop being helpful?  :o :o :o :o :o  ;)

I'm not warning you, I'm trying to be helpful.
You think you are being helpful to cods and I'm trying to help you to give up your own addiction. You know it causes you problems.

1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70

Just sayn.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 9:05pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:39pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:33pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:31pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:21pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:02pm: Agnes wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 7:02pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 5:26pm: Bill Shorten Can't Remember Labor's Last Surplus, Probably Because It Was In 1989 'Owwwlublublub.' By David Barden Opposition leader Bill Shorten struggled to remember the last time Labor delivered a budget surplus during an awkward exchange with Today host Karl Stefanovic on Wednesday. "I guess I was an adult," Shorten said, but only after making a weird, rolling-tongue mumble while trying to think of an answer. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) hummm  whatever she said I agree with.... stumbling bill the dill. anyway   surplus  doesnt mean anything when its the Libs that deliver.....hilarious... talk about selective politics... He will be your pm and  he will do a great job - you will both be proud of Shorty  ;) ::) cods is a metho drinking idiot! Haven't you taken holidays for that before? Um, maybe!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Probably best not to do it unless you are looking for more. I'll consider myself warned by thou!                     **************Hey, btw: ever considered telling cods to give up the metho instead of warning me to stop being helpful?  :o :o :o :o :o  ;) I'm not warning you, I'm trying to be helpful. You think you are being helpful to cods and I'm trying to help you to give up your own addiction. You know it causes you problems.

... hey, you're helping nobody but yourself buddy: just admit it mr tryhard fascist dictator!

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 9:11pm:

1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn.

I've seen it : we all have...   :'(

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 9:11pm:

1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn.

Yeah but....

C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:31pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:21pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:02pm: ::) cods is a metho drinking idiot! Haven't you taken holidays for that before? Um, maybe!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Probably best not to do it unless you are looking for more.

As long as the rules are enforced consistently. Some posters seem to be protected species.

Bam wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 9:20pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:33pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:31pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:21pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:02pm: ::) cods is a metho drinking idiot! Haven't you taken holidays for that before? Um, maybe!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Probably best not to do it unless you are looking for more. As long as the rules are enforced consistently. Some posters seem to be protected species.

Like cods the metho drinker  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Bam wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 9:20pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:33pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:31pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:21pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 8:02pm: ::) cods is a metho drinking idiot! Haven't you taken holidays for that before? Um, maybe!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Probably best not to do it unless you are looking for more. As long as the rules are enforced consistently. Some posters seem to be protected species.

Just trying to be helpful.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 9:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum.

Yeh, they all know they aint gettin' pissed mate!

METHO DRINKERS HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS THAN DRINKING poo THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT!

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 9:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum.

The denaturing agent is usually MIBK. Methanol went out in the covered wagon days.

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 1:16pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 1:10pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 12:31pm: wayne and julia did in 2010 20111 2012even 2013 no ifs or buts.. never fear Bill will deliver you watch. And then the Liberals had the chutzpah to blame Labor for restraining spending to balance the Budget. With this amount of spin, the Liberals have the wrong occupation. They should have been bowling leg spin in Test cricket. lefties were left a SURPLUS     and what did the LIBS get left with?????.. lets not forget when they left the SURPLUS   they had also cleared KEATINGS MASSIVE DEBT.as well.. :) you do tend to forget those small details bam... ::) ::) you never give credit where its due.

What's so good about a budget surplus. Love to know when you get a spare nanosecond.

crocodile wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 10:26pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum. The denaturing agent is usually MIBK. Methanol went out in the covered wagon days.

Cool, so we can drink it now?



Quote:

Denatured alcohol, also called methylated spirit (in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the United Kingdom) or denatured rectified spirit[1], is ethanol that has additives to make it poisonous, bad-tasting, foul-smelling, or nauseating to discourage recreational consumption. It is sometimes dyed. Pyridine, methanol,[2] or both can be added to make denatured alcohol poisonous, and denatonium can be added to make it bitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol

Secret Wars wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 6:45pm: Debt can be both good and bad, depending on what you've spent the money on. :) Agreed, and if you want to build up some infrastructure and big capital projects, now is the time to lock in cheap money.

Cheap money doesn't matter. Gov't borrows at the bond rate, not the cash rate.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 10:30pm:

crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:26pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum. The denaturing agent is usually MIBK. Methanol went out in the covered wagon days. Cool, so we can drink it now?

You can drink what you want. Nobody stopping you.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 10:30pm:

crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:26pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum. The denaturing agent is usually MIBK. Methanol went out in the covered wagon days. Cool, so we can drink it now? Quote: Denatured alcohol, also called methylated spirit (in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the United Kingdom) or denatured rectified spirit[1], is ethanol that has additives to make it poisonous, bad-tasting, foul-smelling, or nauseating to discourage recreational consumption. It is sometimes dyed. Pyridine, methanol,[2] or both can be added to make denatured alcohol poisonous, and denatonium can be added to make it bitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol

Wiki. Nice one. Try reading the MSDS sheets

crocodile wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 10:35pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:30pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:26pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum. The denaturing agent is usually MIBK. Methanol went out in the covered wagon days. Cool, so we can drink it now? Quote: Denatured alcohol, also called methylated spirit (in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the United Kingdom) or denatured rectified spirit[1], is ethanol that has additives to make it poisonous, bad-tasting, foul-smelling, or nauseating to discourage recreational consumption. It is sometimes dyed. Pyridine, methanol,[2] or both can be added to make denatured alcohol poisonous, and denatonium can be added to make it bitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol Wiki. Nice one. Try reading the MSDS sheets

Link? I guess wiki went out with covered wagons too. By the by, when we went on a tour of the Bundy distillery in the 80's, this is what we were told. Did they still have covered wagons then?

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 10:38pm:

crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:35pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:30pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:26pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum. The denaturing agent is usually MIBK. Methanol went out in the covered wagon days. Cool, so we can drink it now? Quote: Denatured alcohol, also called methylated spirit (in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the United Kingdom) or denatured rectified spirit[1], is ethanol that has additives to make it poisonous, bad-tasting, foul-smelling, or nauseating to discourage recreational consumption. It is sometimes dyed. Pyridine, methanol,[2] or both can be added to make denatured alcohol poisonous, and denatonium can be added to make it bitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol Wiki. Nice one. Try reading the MSDS sheets Link? I guess wiki went out with covered wagons too. By the by, when we went on a tour of the Bundy distillery in the 80's, this is what we were told. Did they still have covered wagons then?

You can believe what you want to believe. I don't give a fukk and you're mistaken. You can find the MSDS yourself from any manufacturer. The discerning drunk can easily renature the cocktail by heating it since methanol has a much lower boiling point than ethanol.

crocodile wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 10:52pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:38pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:35pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:30pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:26pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum. The denaturing agent is usually MIBK. Methanol went out in the covered wagon days. Cool, so we can drink it now? Quote: Denatured alcohol, also called methylated spirit (in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the United Kingdom) or denatured rectified spirit[1], is ethanol that has additives to make it poisonous, bad-tasting, foul-smelling, or nauseating to discourage recreational consumption. It is sometimes dyed. Pyridine, methanol,[2] or both can be added to make denatured alcohol poisonous, and denatonium can be added to make it bitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol Wiki. Nice one. Try reading the MSDS sheets Link? I guess wiki went out with covered wagons too. By the by, when we went on a tour of the Bundy distillery in the 80's, this is what we were told. Did they still have covered wagons then? You can believe what you want to believe. I don't give a fukk and you're mistaken. You can find the MSDS yourself from any manufacturer. The discerning drunk can easily renature the cocktail by heating it since methanol has a much lower boiling point than ethanol.

Nothing I have seen or can google gives me your take on it. You made the claim, the onus...

Sure you can do as you say to distil it. Not that an alcho will, it's just as easy to start from scratch. I made and distilled my first alcohol when I was 11 or 12. A coke can(steel in those days) was the boiler. Then I had fun burning it.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 11:05pm:

crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:52pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:38pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:35pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:30pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:26pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum. The denaturing agent is usually MIBK. Methanol went out in the covered wagon days. Cool, so we can drink it now? Quote: Denatured alcohol, also called methylated spirit (in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the United Kingdom) or denatured rectified spirit[1], is ethanol that has additives to make it poisonous, bad-tasting, foul-smelling, or nauseating to discourage recreational consumption. It is sometimes dyed. Pyridine, methanol,[2] or both can be added to make denatured alcohol poisonous, and denatonium can be added to make it bitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol Wiki. Nice one. Try reading the MSDS sheets Link? I guess wiki went out with covered wagons too. By the by, when we went on a tour of the Bundy distillery in the 80's, this is what we were told. Did they still have covered wagons then? You can believe what you want to believe. I don't give a fukk and you're mistaken. You can find the MSDS yourself from any manufacturer. The discerning drunk can easily renature the cocktail by heating it since methanol has a much lower boiling point than ethanol. Nothing I have seen or can google gives me your take on it. You made the claim, the onus... Sure you can do as you say to distil it. Not that an alcho will, it's just as easy to start from scratch. I made and distilled my first alcohol when I was 11 or 12. A coke can(steel in those days) was the boiler. Then I had fun burning it.

You didn't look very hard.

http://www.solvents.net.au/index_htm_files/Ethanol%20IMS95.pdf

By the way, distillation is not required since the wanted product has the higher boiling point.

crocodile wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 11:16pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 11:05pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:52pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:38pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:35pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:30pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:26pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum. The denaturing agent is usually MIBK. Methanol went out in the covered wagon days. Cool, so we can drink it now? Quote: Denatured alcohol, also called methylated spirit (in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the United Kingdom) or denatured rectified spirit[1], is ethanol that has additives to make it poisonous, bad-tasting, foul-smelling, or nauseating to discourage recreational consumption. It is sometimes dyed. Pyridine, methanol,[2] or both can be added to make denatured alcohol poisonous, and denatonium can be added to make it bitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol Wiki. Nice one. Try reading the MSDS sheets Link? I guess wiki went out with covered wagons too. By the by, when we went on a tour of the Bundy distillery in the 80's, this is what we were told. Did they still have covered wagons then? You can believe what you want to believe. I don't give a fukk and you're mistaken. You can find the MSDS yourself from any manufacturer. The discerning drunk can easily renature the cocktail by heating it since methanol has a much lower boiling point than ethanol. Nothing I have seen or can google gives me your take on it. You made the claim, the onus... Sure you can do as you say to distil it. Not that an alcho will, it's just as easy to start from scratch. I made and distilled my first alcohol when I was 11 or 12. A coke can(steel in those days) was the boiler. Then I had fun burning it. You didn't look very hard. http://www.solvents.net.au/index_htm_files/Ethanol%20IMS95.pdf By the way, distillation is not required since the wanted product has the higher boiling point.

Thank you, I hope it wasn't too hard. I will note the PDF is for "industrial methylated spirits".


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The denaturants used in this product may be one or more of the following: diethyl phthalate, denatonium benzoate, methyl isobutyl ketone (MIBK) or Methyl Violet. The denaturants do not exceed 1.0% of the final product and at this low concentration do not alter the health and safety information for the product.

As you can see MIBK is not the only thing used to denature the ethanol and may not be used at all as per "may be one or more of the following". Thank you for taking part. I have learned something and I thank you for that.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6^th, 2018 at 11:30pm:

crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 11:16pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 11:05pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:52pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:38pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:35pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:30pm: crocodile wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:26pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:11pm: 1lt of metho in bunnings is $3.70 and the cheapests red at Dans is $3.70 Just sayn. Yeah but.... C2H5OH content per penny? The bummer with metho is in the name. It's purposely contaminated with CH3OH. The base C2H5OH comes out of the same stills as Bundy rum. The denaturing agent is usually MIBK. Methanol went out in the covered wagon days. Cool, so we can drink it now? Quote: Denatured alcohol, also called methylated spirit (in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the United Kingdom) or denatured rectified spirit[1], is ethanol that has additives to make it poisonous, bad-tasting, foul-smelling, or nauseating to discourage recreational consumption. It is sometimes dyed. Pyridine, methanol,[2] or both can be added to make denatured alcohol poisonous, and denatonium can be added to make it bitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol Wiki. Nice one. Try reading the MSDS sheets Link? I guess wiki went out with covered wagons too. By the by, when we went on a tour of the Bundy distillery in the 80's, this is what we were told. Did they still have covered wagons then? You can believe what you want to believe. I don't give a fukk and you're mistaken. You can find the MSDS yourself from any manufacturer. The discerning drunk can easily renature the cocktail by heating it since methanol has a much lower boiling point than ethanol. Nothing I have seen or can google gives me your take on it. You made the claim, the onus... Sure you can do as you say to distil it. Not that an alcho will, it's just as easy to start from scratch. I made and distilled my first alcohol when I was 11 or 12. A coke can(steel in those days) was the boiler. Then I had fun burning it. You didn't look very hard. http://www.solvents.net.au/index_htm_files/Ethanol%20IMS95.pdf By the way, distillation is not required since the wanted product has the higher boiling point. Thank you, I hope it wasn't too hard. I will note the PDF is for "industrial methylated spirits". [quote]The denaturants used in this product may be one or more of the following: diethyl phthalate, denatonium benzoate, methyl isobutyl ketone (MIBK) or Methyl Violet. The denaturants do not exceed 1.0% of the final product and at this low concentration do not alter the health and safety information for the product.

As you can see MIBK is not the only thing used to denature the ethanol and may not be used at all as per "may be one or more of the following". Thank you for taking part. I have learned something and I thank you for that.
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There's nothing special about the word "industrial" It just means pay more money for higher purity. There are a large number of possible denaturing agents and I can't speak for what might be used in Mongolia, Mexico or Mars but right here in Aussie, MIBK is universal and has been for a long time.

No matter what ANY POLITICIAN SAYS, the Local & Global Economy is now under unique circumstances & has been for some time!

The Basic Controllers are -
1) Demographics - Aging & Slowing, prior to Deceasing
2) Energy - Supply & Pricing
3) Climate Change - Substantially changing our capacity, in a number of areas

And, largely arising from the above, we now have a DEBT SITUATION, which is also Largely Unique & is Substantially influencing events!

The economy is so imperilled now that the RBA is talking about cutting the cash rate.

Reserve Bank says rate cuts and QE possible as Australian housing enters 'uncharted territory'

Billy is itching to get on with the job of wrecking Australia's economy which the Libs have repaired just like Labor did last time during the six sick years of Socialist waste and disgrace and shame.

Bam wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 4:03pm:

The economy is so imperilled now that the RBA is talking about cutting the cash rate. Reserve Bank says rate cuts and QE possible as Australian housing enters 'uncharted territory'

You may find we are already in 'uncharted territory', as far as "low RBA Rates" are concerned!
https://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/cash-rate/

It is also worth noting, that even with the Low rates which we have already had, it hasn't brought about the usual fixes.
AND, lowering the Rates further, won't produce any "Magic Fix/s", mainly because of the other "Unique Factors", arrayed at present!

Oh & it won't make any difference, which of the Major Political Party's is in Power!

The real problem is that houses prices have risen probably 100% in ten years while wages have risen little.

This means that housing affordability has fallen for new buyers.

Reducing the interest rates will make the situation worse.

Low interest rates have cause housing demand to rise and prices with it.

The problem the government now faces is not only the effect on new home buyers but the employment effect, as well as so many are employed building houses.

A disruption in the housing industry could be catastrophic and cause a recession.

Not only is Australia's economy in decline, the Coalition are lying about it.

First they damage the economy, then they fudge the figures

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cods wrote on Dec 8^th, 2018 at 2:41pm:

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This is why you fail.

Nah.. nah... never seen such a period of sustained growth and prosperity...

What a loads of codswallop.. 15.3% unemployed in Wollongong.. bloody dole bludgers... send in The Prune/Pruneface to sort 'em out - get a job or train or get on the streets, Untermenschen!

Bam wrote on Dec 8^th, 2018 at 11:02am:

Not only is Australia's economy in decline, the Coalition are lying about it. First they damage the economy, then they fudge the figures

Wednesday’s Bureau of Statistics release shows annual growth in gross domestic product (GDP) to the end of September 2018 was 2.77%. That ranks 106th among the world’s 183 economies, well down in the bottom half. That is as low as Australia has been. Ever.

Its time wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 8th, 2018 at 11:02am: Not only is Australia's economy in decline, the Coalition are lying about it. First they damage the economy, then they fudge the figures Wednesday’s Bureau of Statistics release shows annual growth in gross domestic product (GDP) to the end of September 2018 was 2.77%. That ranks 106th among the world’s 183 economies, well down in the bottom half. That is as low as Australia has been. Ever.

Not only that, but GDP growth is not a measure of prosperity for a nation overall.... all it is, is a blank statement of claimed overall alleged increase in production of goods and services.. an ephemeral concept at best and highly subjective... how define ye an 'increase in services'? 

More drink tanks and alcohol rehab?  More wasteful 'commissions' to control yet another petty facet of everyday life to suit some agenda?  More counseling for the increasing unemployed?  More charities to support the unemployed living on next to nothing?

"Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is the broadest quantitative measure of a nation's total economic activity. More specifically, GDP represents the monetary value of all goods and services produced within a nation's geographic borders over a specified period of time."

https://investinganswers.com/financial.../economics/gross-domestic-product-gdp-1223

Its time wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 8th, 2018 at 11:02am: Not only is Australia's economy in decline, the Coalition are lying about it. First they damage the economy, then they fudge the figures Wednesday’s Bureau of Statistics release shows annual growth in gross domestic product (GDP) to the end of September 2018 was 2.77%. That ranks 106th among the world’s 183 economies, well down in the bottom half. That is as low as Australia has been. Ever.

If Morrison is trying to wait until May to call the election and run on a record of economic management, that could backfire badly if the economy slows further. It won't slip into technical recession by then (only one quarter of reporting is due to be released before next May and technical recession requires two consecutive negative quarters) but the economic malaise is becoming obvious.

Bam wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 12:46pm:

Its time wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 12:37pm: Bam wrote on Dec 8th, 2018 at 11:02am: Not only is Australia's economy in decline, the Coalition are lying about it. First they damage the economy, then they fudge the figures Wednesday’s Bureau of Statistics release shows annual growth in gross domestic product (GDP) to the end of September 2018 was 2.77%. That ranks 106th among the world’s 183 economies, well down in the bottom half. That is as low as Australia has been. Ever. If Morrison is trying to wait until May to call the election and run on a record of economic management, that could backfire badly if the economy slows further. It won't slip into technical recession by then (only one quarter of reporting is due to be released before next May and technical recession requires two consecutive negative quarters) but the economic malaise is becoming obvious.

But.... but.... but... The World's Greatest Treasurer Mk II is going to throw up a Surplus Budget..... doesn't that mean that suddenly the till is overflowing with cash?

A surplus budget can be attained in countless ways... borrow more than enough to cover your immediate bills, and you are in surplus...

Downe At Ye Olde Budget Speech-House over a tankard of ale:-

".... and so it can be clearly seen that with carefully calculated borrowing over the next fiscal year, somewhere in the vicinity of $700Bn ..... the current debt of around $600Bn will become a surplus of $100Bn.... further, government moves to change the culture of permanent unemployment will result in cuts to "welfare" of more than the current budget..... the new test which says that, in keeping with the Labor concept of zero tax liability not incurring a refund of dividend imputation, all those with zero income at retirement will NOT receive a pension.. the test will be that if you have not secured your own retirement, you are on your own... and this positive step forward will result in further savings to the budget...................

Next, this Federal Government will be buying into a massive scheme to re-develop oceanfront property at Towradgi and Punchbowl in Sydney........ a State government move in train.... and will thus garner massive revenue for the good of the nation..... and its families.... and its children.... and its poor......"