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Title: labor energy thingamy Post by TheFunPolice on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:04pm
Rooftop solar photovoltaic installations will shortly hit 2m.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/22/labor-energy-policy-rebates-battery-systems-residential-homes :-? ,..... really: I don't see bugger all of them in Perth! |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11pm
They must be out there -
"Electricity provider Synergy was forced to take one of its newest power stations offline for repairs because of constant interruptions caused by soaring levels of green energy. Synergy chief executive Jason Waters yesterday revealed the influx of solar panels on the south-west grid had disrupted operations at the utility’s 240MW gas-fired Cockburn power plant. Mr Waters said the plant, commissioned in 2003, had suffered an extended outage this year after problems caused by constant “starts and stops” were identified." https://thewest.com.au/business/renewable-energy/solar-uptake-shuts-down-synergys-cockburn-power-plant-ng-b881019987z |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by The_Barnacle on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:23pm Quote:
Which of course won't be an issue with the increased use of batteries. The giant battery in SA has made the grid far more stable than when it was coal powered https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-05/yes-sa-battery-is-a-massive-battery-but-it-can-do-more/9227288 |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:32pm The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:23pm:
So how many minutes of power for the 767,000 households in SA does that work out to be? Using the 30,000 households reported for a "little over an hour". 3 minutes? Of course every one will be home because that's not offices and industry. |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by 56 44 on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:07pm lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:32pm:
We all know that wasn't it's intended purpose Lee, it's intended purpose that you're well aware of has been a raging success. |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:15pm Its time wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:07pm:
"The Government will also have the right to tap the battery's full output to prevent load shedding blackouts if supply runs low this summer." So its intended purpose is to provide power for 30,000 homes for a little over an hour. That's what the story says. Who has the task of working out which 30,000 households? |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by cods on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:31pm
will he pay for my batteries as well?.....every thingamy I own uses batteries...
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 6:10am lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11pm:
If its true (which i doubt) they can just turn off the stupid smart meters that should fix it. The only way solar can interfere with the coal powered stations is because they are trying to steal too much from elsewhere instead of just generating. Spot |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 9:33am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 6:10am:
Why would you doubt it? Because generators are designed to run up and down over a large demand curve? |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by philperth2010 on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 10:03am
Avoiding scrutiny is becoming a worrying trait of this Government....The public deserve to know what is being proposed and not be kept in the dark by snake oil salesman in the Coalition....It is no wonder the Coalition are avoiding a Federal Corruption Commission which would scrutinise their dirty dealings and vested interests that dictate the Coalitions energy (lack of) policy....This rabble must go!!!
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What a complete cluster f@#k this Government is!!! ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by 56 44 on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 10:14am
Can't post in feedback, FD can you fix slow loading page preferably before Vic State election result tommorow night
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by juliar on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 11:34am
The Polly Waffle VIRUS strikes again - with more Fake News.
My Gosh don't they have some windjamming loonies in West Australia ? Stupid Greeny led by the snout Shorty's ridiculous energy disaster is already collapsing around his flapping ears. What a drongo!!! ScoMo the Shorty killer is already wiping the floor with him. Labor's loony Energy "policy" is insanity on steroids. Loony Labor's blackout energy policy Morrison dashes business hopes on energy Updated 1 hour ago Labor's pledge to put the coalition's dumped energy policy on the table for bipartisan support has pleased business groups craving investment certainty. Scott Morrison has dashed the hopes of Australian businesses crying out for bipartisan support on energy policy. Business leaders were briefly optimistic about ending the decade-long climate wars in Australia when Labor announced would revive the coalition's dumped National Energy Guarantee. The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry and the Business Council of Australia are both eager for a solution to the nation's energy woes. "We have consistently called on all sides of the political divide to support the NEG to end the policy paralysis that has stalled much needed investment," BCA chief Jennifer Westacott said. However, the prime minister is refusing to back Labor's plan. When asked why he would not support the NEG, given he had consistently argued for months it would lower power prices, Mr Morrison deflected to the opposition's plans for household batteries. He likened the idea to Kevin Rudd's disastrous insulation scheme. "What happened last time we let the Labor Party come and put something in your house," Mr Morrison told Nine Network. "I mean, roofs burnt down for goodness sake. They've learnt nothing, absolutely nothing." The prime minister said the NEG would lower power prices with a carbon emission reduction target of 26 per cent - not the 45 per cent target proposed by Labor. "A 45 per cent target is reckless, it will shut down industries all around the country," Mr Morrison said. Under Labor's plan, subsidies of up to $2000 would be given to 100,000 households to install batteries to link their solar panels, which cost about $10,000 each. Mr Morrison pointed out high-end Tesla batteries cost more than $20,000. "I mean, what families in Australia on the incomes they're talking about have a lazy $20,000 hanging around to go and put these things in?" Labor would also invest $15 billion in energy transmission and generation if it wins the next federal election. Meanwhile, the coalition has angered the business community with its plans to force energy retailers to sell off assets and restructure their companies if it is deemed in the public interest. The Business Council of Australia has warned the "ad hoc and extreme" divestiture powers would exacerbate sovereign risk, interfere with market outcomes and discourage investment. Finance Minister Mathias Cormann has dismissed their warnings. "Obviously there's always a level of vested interest in the context of these sorts of debates," he told Sky News. "This is not something we would want to pursue - it is a matter of last resort - but when it is all said and done, we are on the side of consumers and business when it comes to electricity prices." https://www.sbs.com.au/news/morrison-dashes-business-hopes-on-energy |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:05pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 10:03am:
Perhaps you can show where it is "unusual"? Just how "unusual"? Obviously it has been done before, otherwise it would be "unprecedented". ;) "The Australian Energy Council (AEC) has given Treasury a blast for a truncated consultation process for legislation giving effect to controversial price regulation measures and new divestiture powers which power companies say could be constitutionally invalid. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/22/labor-energy-policy-rebates-battery-systems-residential-homes Oh look confusing the bureaucracy with the Parliament. How cute. And that attendant "could". |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by juliar on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:14pm
Labor’s energy policy is the Reintroduction of the Carbon Tax.
Will use Taxpayer subsidies to implement & Borrowing Billions from overseas A Double Tax Hit for Aussie Battlers in our country with the most resources on the planet & the Highest Power Bills Fairdinkum Go Figure !! The transition to a 3rd gen Energy model requires a plan, and for that plan to be implemented in a coherent disciplined way. Labor has no plan, no coherence and no discipline. Just an idea about subsidised batteries paid for by a carbon tax that will push up living costs. Labor's record on Climate Change policy: Green Loans scheme, dumped https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-07-08/government-dumps-green-loans-after-scathing-reports/897274 … Carbon Tax, dumped. Cash for Clunkers, dumped. Pink Batts, deaths and dumped. What could possibly go wrong? And Labor along with the weirdo Greens want to bring the Carbon Tax back! Climate Change Science is a vehicle for carbon tax credits & various other government-backed sanctions to prevent small/med businesses from challenging multi-national companies. It’s meant to deindustrialize the west in favor of cheap labor where there is little environmental. |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by philperth2010 on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:15pm lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:05pm:
I didn't write the article dickhead....Do your own research!!! ::) ::) ::) https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/22/labor-energy-policy-rebates-battery-systems-residential-homes |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:23pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:15pm:
very good. But seeing as you posted it you must believe it to be true. Or merely trolling. ;) philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:15pm:
Yes. We know that is something of which you are incapable. You are the one posting it, presumably as true. You do understand once the draft legislation has been ratified it is then presented to Parliament as a Bill? It is then incumbent upon the Opposition to read, comprehend, get expert advice etc before the reading. Once the legislation is in its final form it is generally given to all members. Otherwise the Opposition could cry foul. |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by red baron on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:31pm
Sounds about as sound as Rudd's every home get pink batts!
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by Tally on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:46pm
This is a vote winner. I'm voting for Battery Bill :)
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by juliar on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:53pm
Typical uninformed Greeny type sheeple.
A Tesla Lithium battery is a FIRE BOMB that can explode into a fiery inferno. The home insurance rockets to cover the huge risk. And the tiny batteries talked about would last about an hour with a typical night load. The IGNORANCE in the community is frightening!!! |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by 56 44 on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:55pm red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:31pm:
Parroting Fauxmo, smell the fear |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by 56 44 on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:57pm
Can't wait to get my battery [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:02pm Its time wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:57pm:
Paid for by the taxpayers of Australia. ;) Where are those important things that need fixing you complain about? Shouldn't they come first? |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by red baron on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:13pm
Just be careful when you get your Solar Panels
They'll most probably be Chinese sh.t that keels over after 5 years Being Chinese they will also most probably have spyware so that the Chink Government knows when you take a dump |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by 56 44 on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:25pm red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:13pm:
The paranoia is strong |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:54pm lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 9:33am:
Well if thats true why dont they design them properly to take into account modern practices? It says in the article its their newest one. But I doubt it because we always get these weird not very believable stories just before the govt brings in something really nasty. Spot |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 2:05pm cods wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:31pm:
The taxpayers will be paying for this. Those without solar and batteries will subsidise those who get them. Landlords are unlikely to buy them they cannot claim them on tax they're considered a capital gain. |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 2:09pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:54pm:
What price? Special steels etc don't come cheap. State governments are the kings of "cheap". Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:54pm:
And this from a Labor Government, actually Synergy not the government. ;) |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by philperth2010 on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 2:30pm lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:23pm:
The full quote.... Quote:
Why wouldn't it be true....Are you saying the Australian Energy Council is lying and if so were is your proof??? :-? :-? :-? |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 2:46pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 2:30pm:
Not at all. You do understand the difference between perceptions and realities? You have heard of Appeal to Authority? Can you show where it is "unusual" for a draft of legislation not to be widely promulgated? Even if it were "unusual" would it be "unprecedented"? philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 10:03am:
All legislation goes before Parliament. All legislation is perused by both the Government and Opposition and debated. How does this avoid such scrutiny? ::) |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by TheFunPolice on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 2:51pm red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:31pm:
Haven't you got jews to kill? |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by TheFunPolice on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 2:52pm lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:02pm:
Like what? :o |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by TheFunPolice on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 2:53pm red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Once again, haven't you got jews to kill? |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by TheFunPolice on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 2:54pm Its time wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:25pm:
Some jews aren't pushovers so forgive his lack of guts every now and again won't you lol! |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 3:36pm TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 2:52pm:
Raising taxes to pay for it? |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by Bam on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 4:53pm lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:05pm:
I see you're arguing pointless pedantic semantics again because you can't make an actual argument. |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by Bam on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 4:57pm red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:31pm:
It depends on how the rebate is structured. |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by juliar on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 5:20pm
Who is looking forward to power prices increasing 5 to 6 times with Labor's Greeny energy garbage and Labor also bringing back the Carbon Tax and also the frequent blackouts ?
With power prices like that going thru the roof how many industries will leave Australia which is what the Greeny Extremists want to happen ? |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 5:23pm Bam wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 4:53pm:
So you tell us how"unusual" it is. You tell us how the Coalition is "avoiding scrutiny". Or is your post about nothing as per usual. Just froth and bubble. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: labor energy thingamy Post by juliar on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 5:32pm
Poor Little Politically Correct Bammy seems to have lost the plot.
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