https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/on-the-road/the-truth-about-this-bike-rider-behaviour-that-drivers-absolutely-hate/news-story/1f03430e9117814aa1b375d65f257cee

There’s little love lost between most motorists and cyclists in Australia, and drivers have a long list of gripes about how some riders behave.

A campaign by news.com.au this week, highlighting the legacy of safety activist Cameron Frewer, who was hit by a car and killed last week, has raised plenty of complaints by readers.

But perhaps the biggest issue people on four wheels have surrounds the practice of cyclists riding two abreast on the open road.

The feeling is that riders jutting out into the lane is dangerous and there’s also a perception among many that it’s illegal.

Before this death, Mr Frewer — a campaigner for greater awareness of safe pass laws, requiring motorists to leave at least 1m when passing a bike — spoke about riding two abreast.

Anyone who went to primary school in the '60s and '70s, as I did, will remember these safety messages on the back of their school exercise books:


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/ca/86/c4ca86bf0c6c07b043f2f927690f1094.jpg

Most lycra clad loonies are their own worst enemies.

They ride like they are made of iron, but in an altercation between a bike and a cor/truck, they will always lose.

I rode a motorcycle for 35 years.
I survived
Do you know why?

I did not take my right of way
I did not harass drivers
I did not cut drivers off expecting them to GIVE ME MY RIGHTS.

I was trained in defensive riding, learning to read the road, avoid incidents and ride safely.

Car drivers do not see bikes.
Now for the lycra clad loonies out there
CAR DRIVERS DO NOT SEE BIKES.

Now this isn't deliberate.
A driver scans the road looking for possible obstructions or danger.
Cars, trucks all move quite fast, and present a clear and present danger.

Pedestrians however move (in comparison to cars) quite slowly and present little danger to the car driver ( as he sees it)
And, as much as you may hate it, bike riders have a similar profile to pedestrians, and they do not differentiate.

Now this isn't because he hates pedestrians, or bikes or dogs or cats, it's just that in his mind it's not an immediate danger.
Remember, a driver has quite a bit on his mind at any given time.
Velocity, traffic, traffic lights, vehicle performance, speed monitoring, road surface etc, etc.
So when he looks in the mirror or looks up the road to make a decision to pull out, he has a fraction of a second, easily missed.

Now, some riders and pedestrians believe their bright colours and the fact that THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT has some influence on the drivers attention, it don't.
We riders are taught to make eye contact, no eye contact, they dont see you.
But lycra clad loonies are so focussed on watching their front wheels, this is impossible.

You have two choices when you hop on a bike, motorised or not
And those choices are
To survive
Or
To be a statistic.

On a final note
I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians.
They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way.

It seems they treat pedestrians as car drivers treat them.

Perhaps it's just a bit of Karna perhaps.

Valkie wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians. They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way.

This is true.

I've been abused by bike riders several times, out the front of my office, for simply being on the footpath.

Some are unbelievably rude.

They're the ones who make it bad for all the good bike riders out there.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:

Anyone who went to primary school in the '60s and '70s, as I did, will remember these safety messages on the back of their school exercise books: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/ca/86/c4ca86bf0c6c07b043f2f927690f1094.jpg

LSD was also legal back then.

Valkie wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

On a final note I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians. They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way. .

This is either 1. confirmation bias or 2. the shithole you live in.

Here in Canberra 99% of the time there is no problems. Its the 1 % of dickheads (pedestrians, cyclists, drivers) that are the issue.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 12:51pm:

Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:34pm: On a final note I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians. They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way. . This is either 1. confirmation bias or 2. the shithole you live in. Here in Canberra 99% of the time there is no problems. Its the 1 % of dickheads (pedestrians, cyclists, drivers) that are the issue.

I hate to do this, but I'm with Valkie on this one.

Here in Perth, bike riders are incredibly rude to pedestrians.

Sure, not all of them, but a fair chunk of them are.

As I said before, I (and others) get abused regularly in the CBD for simply being on the footpath.

I've certainly noticed bike riders getting more aggressive in the last 12 months or so.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 12:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:11pm: Anyone who went to primary school in the '60s and '70s, as I did, will remember these safety messages on the back of their school exercise books: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/ca/86/c4ca86bf0c6c07b043f2f927690f1094.jpg LSD was also legal back then.

Hey, I'm just tellin' ya how it was.

Every school exercise book had that on the back cover, so we had 'single file' drummed into us as kids.

Perhaps cyclist need to revise their safety equipment
If that bloke in the article didn't ride his bike on the road he'd still be alive. I won't ride a motorbike on the road because I am clever enough to work out that it won't be me that kills me...it'll be another motorist. My brother got hit years ago on his motorbike. Motorist took him out on a corner. He didn't die but he no longer rides out there. To dangerous.

Anyway...this is a debate that will never sleep. Roads are built for motor vehicles, simple as that. If you ride a bicycle...walk or whatever out there then you do at your own risk....as the bloke in the article eventually found out.
You're all part of the temporary Australian group.

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 1:46pm:

Perhaps cyclist need to revise their safety equipment If that bloke in the article didn't ride his bike on the road he'd still be alive. I won't ride a motorbike on the road because I am clever enough to work out that it won't be me that kills me...it'll be another motorist. My brother got hit years ago on his motorbike. Motorist took him out on a corner. He didn't die but he no longer rides out there. To dangerous. Anyway...this is a debate that will never sleep. Roads are built for motor vehicles, simple as that. If you ride a bicycle...walk or whatever out there then you do at your own risk....as the bloke in the article eventually found out. You're all part of the temporary Australian group.

So essentially you're saying that if I go out onto the road, its my fault I get crashed into. Cool.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 1:51pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 1:46pm: Perhaps cyclist need to revise their safety equipment If that bloke in the article didn't ride his bike on the road he'd still be alive. I won't ride a motorbike on the road because I am clever enough to work out that it won't be me that kills me...it'll be another motorist. My brother got hit years ago on his motorbike. Motorist took him out on a corner. He didn't die but he no longer rides out there. To dangerous. Anyway...this is a debate that will never sleep. Roads are built for motor vehicles, simple as that. If you ride a bicycle...walk or whatever out there then you do at your own risk....as the bloke in the article eventually found out. You're all part of the temporary Australian group. So essentially you're saying that if I go out onto the road, its my fault I get crashed into. Cool.

Not at all.

If you go out on the road...don't be surprised if you do get crashed into....or worse, killed.

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 2:03pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 1:51pm: Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 1:46pm: Perhaps cyclist need to revise their safety equipment If that bloke in the article didn't ride his bike on the road he'd still be alive. I won't ride a motorbike on the road because I am clever enough to work out that it won't be me that kills me...it'll be another motorist. My brother got hit years ago on his motorbike. Motorist took him out on a corner. He didn't die but he no longer rides out there. To dangerous. Anyway...this is a debate that will never sleep. Roads are built for motor vehicles, simple as that. If you ride a bicycle...walk or whatever out there then you do at your own risk....as the bloke in the article eventually found out. You're all part of the temporary Australian group. So essentially you're saying that if I go out onto the road, its my fault I get crashed into. Cool. Not at all. If you go out on the road...don't be surprised if you do get crashed into....or worse, killed.

Cheers, I will keep that in mind.

Who would deliberately drive close to a bike rider and risk an accident....Giving them as much room as possible is common sense....More cycle paths along main roads are required???

:-? :-? :-?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 12:49pm:

Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:34pm: I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians. They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way. This is true. I've been abused by bike riders several times, out the front of my office, for simply being on the footpath. Some are unbelievably rude. They're the ones who make it bad for all the good bike riders out there.

Because motorists are always so polite and respectful, and never use their horns in anger  ;)

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:34pm: I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians. They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way. This is true. I've been abused by bike riders several times, out the front of my office, for simply being on the footpath. Some are unbelievably rude. They're the ones who make it bad for all the good bike riders out there. Because motorists are always so polite and respectful, and never use their horns in anger  ;)

99% are.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 3:15pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 3:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:34pm: I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians. They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way. This is true. I've been abused by bike riders several times, out the front of my office, for simply being on the footpath. Some are unbelievably rude. They're the ones who make it bad for all the good bike riders out there. Because motorists are always so polite and respectful, and never use their horns in anger  ;) 99% are.

o 25000 in Aussie land r winkers :D

All I'm saying is that you must ride to survive

If that means giving way to a car, riding in areas where it's safe, not on major arterial roads, and don't try and be the big tough lycra clad Looney, so be it.

Pennant hills road is literally clogged with cars every day and night
Parramatta road is clogged with cars
The Pacific highway is clogged with cars
These are three major, and poorly built roads
There is no bike lanes and the lanes are barely wide enough for a car let alone a truck

But on any day, there is some live a clad Looney riding along, at walking pace, holding up traffic and giving everyone the bird and a mouthful if they complain.

They creep between cars, bumping mirrors, scratching paintwork to get to the front, only to take off at walking pace and holding up everyone again.

Surely they could find a better place to ride and allow people to get to work?

And this ridiculous 1 metre rule means you can't pass them except in the next lane.
They are nothing but a moving road block.

Common sense, a bit of courtesy for other road users and less attitude is the way to go.

And don't say more bike tracks
The ones we have are used by very few riders
They prefer to hold up traffic and prove their right to ride

Until they get squashed that is.

I live in a part of Melbourne that has alot of bike trails.  One called capital city trail can get me from a park near my home to the city with only 1 to 2 traffic lights.   So i consider myself lucky.  I would never ride on the roads to the city, as its too dangerous.  And i get very nervous when I know there is cars behind my back staring at me as I hold up the traffic. 

I give bike riders full respect on the road, They are entitled to the lane they are in - all of it.

When I finally get past a bike like everyone else there is a significant relief. On occasion I have passed a bike rider after much delay to stop at the next lights and see the bike wander down between traffic to the front of the queue.

The second time I pass the ignorant pick I just blow straight past him at the first half chance.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 12:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:11pm: Anyone who went to primary school in the '60s and '70s, as I did, will remember these safety messages on the back of their school exercise books: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/ca/86/c4ca86bf0c6c07b043f2f927690f1094.jpg LSD was also legal back then.

I remember the LATTER - but not the FORMER ?

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:34pm: I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians. They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way. This is true. I've been abused by bike riders several times, out the front of my office, for simply being on the footpath. Some are unbelievably rude. They're the ones who make it bad for all the good bike riders out there. Because motorists are always so polite and respectful, and never use their horns in anger  ;)

The best retaliation the cyclist can have against recalcitrant motorists - is the water pistol - filled with paint stripper

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 18^th, 2018 at 12:45am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 3:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:34pm: I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians. They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way. This is true. I've been abused by bike riders several times, out the front of my office, for simply being on the footpath. Some are unbelievably rude. They're the ones who make it bad for all the good bike riders out there. Because motorists are always so polite and respectful, and never use their horns in anger  ;) The best retaliation the cyclist can have against recalcitrant motorists - is the water pistol - filled with paint stripper

Then a cop would shoot you....so I say try it.  ;)

Aaaah CYCLIST SAFETY!!!!!


I read the thread and posts as Cyber safety and was thinking you guys had lost it.


SMH

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 18^th, 2018 at 12:45am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 3:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:34pm: I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians. They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way. This is true. I've been abused by bike riders several times, out the front of my office, for simply being on the footpath. Some are unbelievably rude. They're the ones who make it bad for all the good bike riders out there. Because motorists are always so polite and respectful, and never use their horns in anger  ;) The best retaliation the cyclist can have against recalcitrant motorists - is the water pistol - filled with paint stripper

oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....

the best thing we can all do is get

RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER.

a bit of give and take....whatever happened to all that? :( :(

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 18^th, 2018 at 12:45am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 3:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:49pm: Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:34pm: I have also seen how bike riders treat pedestrians. They yell at them to get out of the way, they bump them, scream at them and demand right of way when, in reality, the pedestrian has right of way. This is true. I've been abused by bike riders several times, out the front of my office, for simply being on the footpath. Some are unbelievably rude. They're the ones who make it bad for all the good bike riders out there. Because motorists are always so polite and respectful, and never use their horns in anger  ;) The best retaliation the cyclist can have against recalcitrant motorists - is the water pistol - filled with paint stripper

That's real smart

And then drivers fill their windscreen washers with acid or oil

The best thing riders can do is to use courtesy and get off major arterial roads at peak hour.

Cyclists don't pay rego for their bikes so they don't have the same rights as car drivers.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 18^th, 2018 at 3:49pm:

Cyclists don't pay rego for their bikes so they don't have the same rights as car drivers.

I pay rego for my car, I pay insurance. You can stick that tired argument in your fat roll.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 8:41am:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 3:49pm: Cyclists don't pay rego for their bikes so they don't have the same rights as car drivers. I pay rego for my car, I pay insurance. You can stick that tired argument in your fat roll.

So do you pay rego on all road going vehicles...or just one?
I pay rego on my car...why isn't my trailer covered under that same rego....or my dirtbike?

You can stick that tired old argument in your fat roll.
Register your bike or get the farrkk off the road.

Cyclists are safe around me on the road - just not around themselves at times.... perfect example was driving up Mt Wellington in Hobart yesterday.. narrow road - two cyclists came down at speed and cut corners... big thrill but stupid... anyone but me would probably take one out..

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 8:49am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 8:41am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 3:49pm: Cyclists don't pay rego for their bikes so they don't have the same rights as car drivers. I pay rego for my car, I pay insurance. You can stick that tired argument in your fat roll. So do you pay rego on all road going vehicles...or just one? I pay rego on my car...why isn't my trailer covered under that same rego....or my dirtbike? You can stick that tired old argument in your fat roll. Register your bike or get the farrkk off the road.

Spent 105 km on the road yesterday, tough titties.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 8:59am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 8:49am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 8:41am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 3:49pm: Cyclists don't pay rego for their bikes so they don't have the same rights as car drivers. I pay rego for my car, I pay insurance. You can stick that tired argument in your fat roll. So do you pay rego on all road going vehicles...or just one? I pay rego on my car...why isn't my trailer covered under that same rego....or my dirtbike? You can stick that tired old argument in your fat roll. Register your bike or get the farrkk off the road. Spent 105 km on the road yesterday, tough titties.

Thought so.  ;D

That man is sick in the head, I hope that he wrath in hell.

Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 11:04am:

Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion.

How do I display my  rego?

Actually on GVM, I need to pay 10 dollars.

No problem with cyclists, if they show me respect I'll show them respect. If they act like idiots then they only have themselves to blame if the come a cropper.......and anybody who sprays 'paint stripper' on my vehicle will hopefully have developed a taste for it.......because they'd better be prepared to drink it when I pick them up off the floor.....

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 11:05am:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego?

The same way they do it in Japan?


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 12:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG

And how much do they pay?

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/18-reasons-why-registering-bicycles-is-a-bad-idea-20150318-1m23gh.html

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay?

How is that relevant?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay? How is that relevant?

Humour me.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay? How is that relevant? Humour me.

A one off fee equivalent to about $6 Australian (I think).

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:03pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay? How is that relevant? Humour me. A one off fee equivalent to about $6 Australian (I think).

How will cops know whos registered vs whos not.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay? How is that relevant? Humour me. A one off fee equivalent to about $6 Australian (I think). How will cops know whos registered vs whos not.

Remember that sticker I posted before?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:07pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay? How is that relevant? Humour me. A one off fee equivalent to about $6 Australian (I think). How will cops know whos registered vs whos not. Remember that sticker I posted before?

Given how small it is, how do you expect a cop travelling at 80 km/h to specifically look

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:07pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay? How is that relevant? Humour me. A one off fee equivalent to about $6 Australian (I think). How will cops know whos registered vs whos not. Remember that sticker I posted before? Given how small it is, how do you expect a cop travelling at 80 km/h to specifically look

I don't.

You asked me how you would display your rego.

I showed you how they do it in Japan (and many other places).

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:11pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:07pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay? How is that relevant? Humour me. A one off fee equivalent to about $6 Australian (I think). How will cops know whos registered vs whos not. Remember that sticker I posted before? Given how small it is, how do you expect a cop travelling at 80 km/h to specifically look I don't. You asked me how you would display your rego. I showed you how they do it in Japan (and many other places).

Exucse me while I get some paint to just paint on my rego sticker.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:11pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:07pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay? How is that relevant? Humour me. A one off fee equivalent to about $6 Australian (I think). How will cops know whos registered vs whos not. Remember that sticker I posted before? Given how small it is, how do you expect a cop travelling at 80 km/h to specifically look I don't. You asked me how you would display your rego. I showed you how they do it in Japan (and many other places). Exucse me while I get some paint to just paint on my rego sticker.

Okay.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:13pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:11pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:07pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay? How is that relevant? Humour me. A one off fee equivalent to about $6 Australian (I think). How will cops know whos registered vs whos not. Remember that sticker I posted before? Given how small it is, how do you expect a cop travelling at 80 km/h to specifically look I don't. You asked me how you would display your rego. I showed you how they do it in Japan (and many other places). Exucse me while I get some paint to just paint on my rego sticker. Okay.

May as well, both as equally pointless.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:13pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:11pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:07pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 2:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 1:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 12:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05am: Term Dog wrote on Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:04am: Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion. How do I display my  rego? The same way they do it in Japan? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNdBclgEC14/UduthIbJUuI/AAAAAAAAXTE/94uN-ptUq7A/s1600/bike-registration-japan.JPG And how much do they pay? How is that relevant? Humour me. A one off fee equivalent to about $6 Australian (I think). How will cops know whos registered vs whos not. Remember that sticker I posted before? Given how small it is, how do you expect a cop travelling at 80 km/h to specifically look I don't. You asked me how you would display your rego. I showed you how they do it in Japan (and many other places). Exucse me while I get some paint to just paint on my rego sticker. Okay. May as well, both as equally pointless.

Okay.

Two great intellects collide.

Cyclists would be much safer if they stay home.

Who has the financial responsibility for the cyclist crippled in an accident caused by his/her negligence?

Term Dog wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 11:04am:

Register your bicycle or SFU, you do not have the right to an opinion.

Oh yes we do.

And mine is that you're full of it.

The idea of a Bicycle 'rego' is to show that the Cyclist understand the rules and regulations of the road safety and has a right of opinion as well.
The Rego would not be picked up by Cops doing 40km - 100kms. But it would stop a cyclist probably copping a bigger fine if they did find themselves in a... predicament.

So the 'tired' argument is justified.
You want to express your rights on the road? Then bloody well pay for it like the rest or just shut up and take it as it comes.

I've driven Taxi for better part of a year.
I've got to drive efficiently and as quick as I can - legally.
Of course, the two regional areas where I drove, have high density tourists for various periods of the year.
So, like Valkie says - most Drivers only concentrate on 'immediate' dangers like other vehicles that can have an impact on their safety.

But as Taxi, I've learned the 'chaos' of both J-Walkers and Cyclists. Both are  lazy and inconsiderate. Both DO NOT abide by 'motorist' rules on the road. I've had to drive like a super reflex with every corner I come around, every decision - I've got to prepare for a possible accident because that's what its like. All the while, while taking in-calls for a Taxi and writing on a pad. The mental concentration is pretty full-on and I really have to be 'jumpy' to stay focused.
J-Walkers will walk across a street where it bends around as a blind spot.
Cyclists WILL ride together - side-by-side whenever they can. Cyclists will put their turning arm out, at the last 5 seconds before they turn.

I can only say this regarding J-Walkers & Cyclists: They need to be more considerate, need to put their EGO back in check because they DO NOT have a priority over motorists or a Equality with motorists. They are on the road by 'privilege' only.

The Professional or Competing Cyclist is the worst rider, next to city couriers. They feel that they have 'rights' over motorists.

Using a well planned city like Canberra is not a good example of how well Cyclists & Motorists get on.
Try Melb or Syd or Regional areas during Holidays.

Of course, most Cyclists are just DILLIGAFS and consider themselves 'superior' because they are riding 'environmentally friendly' forms of transports and thus they are now endowed with a 'God Given Right' to do what they like.

Now you might think I hate Cyclists?
No. I understand that Bicycles were a part of Australian history and culture long before the French kicked on with the Tour De France and were used by more Australians than those silly brumbies that the Media pumps out for the drizabone/Man from Snowy River wank culture of being Australian.  ::)

Cycling on Roads is a privilege, not a right.

Well, there's a movement afoot to soften helmet laws Australia wide, especially in Victoria, so expect to see more riders, but without head gear in the not to distant future.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/?s=helmet+law

Mandatory helmet laws continue to divide cyclists, survey finds


Quote:

Almost 60 per cent of cyclists believe they should be able to ride without a helmet if they want to, according to a new survey, but a crash survivor says he would be dead if he was not wearing one when he came off. The online survey, run by the Bicycle Network, Australia's largest bike-riding organisation also found that if current mandatory helmet laws changed to allow Australians to ride a bike without one, more than 30 per cent of people would ride a bike more often. It revealed:     42 per cent believed bicycle helmets should be mandatory at all times and in all scenarios     58.3 per cent want a change to helmet laws     41 per cent believe helmets should only be mandatory when they assessed the risk to be high     30.4 per cent would ride more if helmets were not mandatory Bicycle Network chief executive Craig Richards said the results of the survey, which was completed by nearly 20,000 people, would help the organisation evaluate its position on helmets. The group recently declared it was open to reviewing its support of mandatory helmet use. "It's great to see such a large amount of public opinion about bike helmets," Mr Richards said. Helmets 'a no-brainer' ABC newsreader Peter Gee says his bike helmet saved him from life-changing injury. "It's something people are clearly passionate about and it's helpful to see how Australia's helmet laws may impact people's decision to ride. "The opinion of our members and people who ride bikes is important and will help inform our policy on Australia's mandatory helmet law. "Along with academic research and information from experts, we will be able to make fully informed decisions." Among the reasons given to relax the law is the belief that riding a bike is not necessarily a high-risk activity, that the mandatory law has had a negative effect on participation, that fines for non-compliance are a further disincentive and a questioning of the pro-helmet safety evidence.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/.......

Just shows that Cyclists don't like being governed by 'Rules', like everyone else.

Shows Cyclists think they are better than everyone else because they are not emitting pollution and are getting fitter than everyone else.

Soon we will be having 'Outlaw' Cyclist Gangs wearing Black and having their Club logos on their backs.
Soon they will be carrying illegal weapons to threaten people with as well.
Soon they will be Ganging up on innocent Public people, because they haven't the balls to take on Police or Military directly.

Jasin wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 11:00am:

Just shows that Cyclists don't like being governed by 'Rules', like everyone else. Shows Cyclists think they are better than everyone else because they are not emitting pollution and are getting fitter than everyone else. Soon we will be having 'Outlaw' Cyclist Gangs wearing Black and having their Club logos on their backs. Soon they will be carrying illegal weapons to threaten people with as well. Soon they will be Ganging up on innocent Public people, because they haven't the balls to take on Police or Military directly.

As long as they stop wearing that lycra outfit then anything is a winner.  ;D

It also shows that cyclists have nothing in the head worth protecting.

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 11:00am: Just shows that Cyclists don't like being governed by 'Rules', like everyone else. Shows Cyclists think they are better than everyone else because they are not emitting pollution and are getting fitter than everyone else. Soon we will be having 'Outlaw' Cyclist Gangs wearing Black and having their Club logos on their backs. Soon they will be carrying illegal weapons to threaten people with as well. Soon they will be Ganging up on innocent Public people, because they haven't the balls to take on Police or Military directly. As long as they stop wearing that lycra outfit then anything is a winner.  ;D It also shows that cyclists have nothing in the head worth protecting.

;D ;D

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 11:00am: Just shows that Cyclists don't like being governed by 'Rules', like everyone else. Shows Cyclists think they are better than everyone else because they are not emitting pollution and are getting fitter than everyone else. Soon we will be having 'Outlaw' Cyclist Gangs wearing Black and having their Club logos on their backs. Soon they will be carrying illegal weapons to threaten people with as well. Soon they will be Ganging up on innocent Public people, because they haven't the balls to take on Police or Military directly. As long as they stop wearing that lycra outfit then anything is a winner.  ;D It also shows that cyclists have nothing in the head worth protecting.

Has anyone noticed that good looking women and women with good figures never wear lycra?

Its always fat men, that look disgusting
Skinny men, that look ridiculous
Super skinny shelas, that look.....well yuk

and they all wear these lycra outfits with lots of logos on them as if they were competing in some sort of race.

In no ones wildest imagination these super thin clown costumes have any protection value what so ever, they may as well be nekked, and wouldn't that be disgusting?

They ride bikes with tyres so skinny that even a small rock punctures them.
I love laughing at them on the side of the road fixing blown tyres

and then there are the bikes themselves
some ate thousands of dollars, tens of thousands of dollars
they could get a proper motorcycle for that money.

Idiots