These days everything gets caught on camera.
There are dashcams, surveillance cameras and everyone has a camera on their smart phone.
The result of this is that we now get to see footage of amazing and rare events.

Tornadoes, tsunamis, fireballs and earthquakes are all things that, until the 21st century, were rarely photographed or filmed.
Now however we see footage from multiple angles and multiple vantage points.

So my question is this. If we are seeing more and better quality footage of rare events like tsunamis and fireballs, why arn't we seeing correspondingly more and better quality footage of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti? 

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:29pm:

These days everything gets caught on camera. There are dashcams, surveillance cameras and everyone has a camera on their smart phone. The result of this is that we now get to see footage of amazing and rare events. Tornadoes, tsunamis, fireballs and earthquakes are all things that, until the 21st century, were rarely photographed or filmed. Now however we see footage from multiple angles and multiple vantage points. So my question is this. If we are seeing more and better quality footage of rare events like tsunamis and fireballs, why arn't we seeing correspondingly more and better quality footage of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti?

Can we blame Islam?   :-/

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:29pm:

These days everything gets caught on camera. There are dashcams, surveillance cameras and everyone has a camera on their smart phone. The result of this is that we now get to see footage of amazing and rare events. Tornadoes, tsunamis, fireballs and earthquakes are all things that, until the 21st century, were rarely photographed or filmed. Now however we see footage from multiple angles and multiple vantage points. So my question is this. If we are seeing more and better quality footage of rare events like tsunamis and fireballs, why arn't we seeing correspondingly more and better quality footage of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti?

Wow, very racist towards Aborigines and their sacred 40 thousand year beliefs - or is 80 thousand years by now?

Just horribly racist and aggressive  and totally insensitive to ridicule the oldest culture on the planet this way. Shame on you.

Or why is it that no one addresses refutations.

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 6:26pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 30th, 2018 at 1:29pm: These days everything gets caught on camera. There are dashcams, surveillance cameras and everyone has a camera on their smart phone. The result of this is that we now get to see footage of amazing and rare events. Tornadoes, tsunamis, fireballs and earthquakes are all things that, until the 21st century, were rarely photographed or filmed. Now however we see footage from multiple angles and multiple vantage points. So my question is this. If we are seeing more and better quality footage of rare events like tsunamis and fireballs, why arn't we seeing correspondingly more and better quality footage of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti?  Wow, very racist towards Aborigines and their sacred 40 thousand year beliefs - or is 80 thousand years by now? Just horribly racist and aggressive  and totally insensitive to ridicule the oldest culture on the planet this way. Shame on you.

No it's not Frank.
I am moderator of the Atheism forum so i have no issue questioning the beliefs of others. However I don't persecute and victimize people because of their beliefs and that's why I'm different to you right wing bigots.

http://i65.tinypic.com/21n2hvm.jpg

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:29pm:

These days everything gets caught on camera. There are dashcams, surveillance cameras and everyone has a camera on their smart phone. The result of this is that we now get to see footage of amazing and rare events. Tornadoes, tsunamis, fireballs and earthquakes are all things that, until the 21st century, were rarely photographed or filmed. Now however we see footage from multiple angles and multiple vantage points. So my question is this. If we are seeing more and better quality footage of rare events like tsunamis and fireballs, why arn't we seeing correspondingly more and better quality footage of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti?

UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti don't congregate in the vicinity of mobile phone tower range.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 12:16pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 30th, 2018 at 1:29pm: These days everything gets caught on camera. There are dashcams, surveillance cameras and everyone has a camera on their smart phone. The result of this is that we now get to see footage of amazing and rare events. Tornadoes, tsunamis, fireballs and earthquakes are all things that, until the 21st century, were rarely photographed or filmed. Now however we see footage from multiple angles and multiple vantage points. So my question is this. If we are seeing more and better quality footage of rare events like tsunamis and fireballs, why arn't we seeing correspondingly more and better quality footage of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti?  UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti don't congregate in the vicinity of mobile phone tower range.

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Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 12:16pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 30th, 2018 at 1:29pm: These days everything gets caught on camera. There are dashcams, surveillance cameras and everyone has a camera on their smart phone. The result of this is that we now get to see footage of amazing and rare events. Tornadoes, tsunamis, fireballs and earthquakes are all things that, until the 21st century, were rarely photographed or filmed. Now however we see footage from multiple angles and multiple vantage points. So my question is this. If we are seeing more and better quality footage of rare events like tsunamis and fireballs, why arn't we seeing correspondingly more and better quality footage of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti?  UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti don't congregate in the vicinity of mobile phone tower range.

Since when did taking a photo with a mobile phone or dashcam require mobile service?

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 12:55pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 12:16pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 30th, 2018 at 1:29pm: These days everything gets caught on camera. There are dashcams, surveillance cameras and everyone has a camera on their smart phone. The result of this is that we now get to see footage of amazing and rare events. Tornadoes, tsunamis, fireballs and earthquakes are all things that, until the 21st century, were rarely photographed or filmed. Now however we see footage from multiple angles and multiple vantage points. So my question is this. If we are seeing more and better quality footage of rare events like tsunamis and fireballs, why arn't we seeing correspondingly more and better quality footage of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti?  UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti don't congregate in the vicinity of mobile phone tower range. Since when did taking a photo with a mobile phone or dashcam require mobile service?

Ghosts, by their very nature, are immaterial

so how could anyone photograph something which has projected its image into the mind of the beholder?

When you masturbate to an imaginary other, could you please photograph that object of your desires so we can all see it?

PZ547 wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 1:12pm:

Ghosts, by their very nature, are immaterial so how could anyone photograph something which has projected its image into the mind of the beholder? When you masturbate to an imaginary other, could you please photograph that object of your desires so we can all see it?

Interesting theory considering most of the so called "evidence" for ghosts is photographic

http://mentalfloss.com/article/87784/13-historys-most-famous-ghost-photos

PZ547 wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 1:12pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 12:55pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 12:16pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 30th, 2018 at 1:29pm: These days everything gets caught on camera. There are dashcams, surveillance cameras and everyone has a camera on their smart phone. The result of this is that we now get to see footage of amazing and rare events. Tornadoes, tsunamis, fireballs and earthquakes are all things that, until the 21st century, were rarely photographed or filmed. Now however we see footage from multiple angles and multiple vantage points. So my question is this. If we are seeing more and better quality footage of rare events like tsunamis and fireballs, why arn't we seeing correspondingly more and better quality footage of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti?  UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti don't congregate in the vicinity of mobile phone tower range. Since when did taking a photo with a mobile phone or dashcam require mobile service? Ghosts, by their very nature, are immaterial so how could anyone photograph something which has projected its image into the mind of the beholder? When you masturbate to an imaginary other, could you please photograph that object of your desires so we can all see it?

tell that to these people . Seems they disagree .... although I'd guess that you're already familiar with the site and others like it.

https://twentytwowords.com/terrifying-real-photos-of-ghosts/

PZ is right about 'Real' Ghosts of our Minds.
But no - I don't go for the photographed 'ghosts' one bit.  ::)
It's just the Entertainment Industry working at a grass roots amateur level.

Yowies, Bunyips should not have been included.
I from personal experience know that the Yeti Skull is a fake, but the 'legend' of the Yeti itself in its origination - is pretty much 'true'. There are a lot of dreadlocked, wild and very tall Tibetan 'country boys' up there.
But besides these, they are also the remainder of a near extinct assortment of later Hominid species still lingering in isolation like a slow death. Back in the past, there were many 'hermits', men who escape the violence and evil of the world, through solitude. Fear is the Mind Killer.

PZ547 wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 1:12pm:

Ghosts, by their very nature, are immaterial so how could anyone photograph something which has projected its image into the mind of the beholder?

That also makes it impossible to prove or disprove. So it's really just a unprovable belief.

I think that it is FAR more likely that those images are created by the person's own mind

Jasin wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 5:11pm:

But besides these, they are also the remainder of a near extinct assortment of later Hominid species still lingering in isolation like a slow death.

Yet you can't provide any evidence that they exist.
To have a viable population surely they would leave some evidence.

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 10:09pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 5:11pm: But besides these, they are also the remainder of a near extinct assortment of later Hominid species still lingering in isolation like a slow death. Yet you can't provide any evidence that they exist. To have a viable population surely they would leave some evidence.

Knowing how the Human World is coming to be and where it's headed (many choices too). I think I understand that there 'should' be evidence for Hominids in Australia before Sapien Aboriginals. Maybe just a few thousand. But still - some. I'll stick with that as my evidence, thanks maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate.  ::)

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 10:06pm:

PZ547 wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 1:12pm: Ghosts, by their very nature, are immaterial so how could anyone photograph something which has projected its image into the mind of the beholder? That also makes it impossible to prove or disprove. So it's really just a unprovable belief. I think that it is FAR more likely that those images are created by the person's own mind

I think you need to visit the Philosophy Board to understand the true nature of 'Ghost' in the Human sense.

Jasin wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 10:20pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 10:09pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 5:11pm: But besides these, they are also the remainder of a near extinct assortment of later Hominid species still lingering in isolation like a slow death. Yet you can't provide any evidence that they exist. To have a viable population surely they would leave some evidence. Knowing how the Human World is coming to be and where it's headed (many choices too). I think I understand that there 'should' be evidence for Hominids in Australia before Sapien Aboriginals. Maybe just a few thousand. But still - some. I'll stick with that as my evidence, thanks maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate.  ::)

So in other words you have just "made it up" because it suits your own belief system
No evidence. You just WANT it to be true

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 10:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 10:20pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 10:09pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 5:11pm: But besides these, they are also the remainder of a near extinct assortment of later Hominid species still lingering in isolation like a slow death. Yet you can't provide any evidence that they exist. To have a viable population surely they would leave some evidence. Knowing how the Human World is coming to be and where it's headed (many choices too). I think I understand that there 'should' be evidence for Hominids in Australia before Sapien Aboriginals. Maybe just a few thousand. But still - some. I'll stick with that as my evidence, thanks maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate.  ::) So in other words you have just "made it up" because it suits your own belief system No evidence. You just WANT it to be true

No. It's a decision I have made by countless 'evidences' of the 'pattern' of how things have progressed in the World. The Human Pattern and that involves Pre-Sapien.
Sorry - but unlike you, I see the Big Picture.

Jasin wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 10:44pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 10:31pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 10:20pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 10:09pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 5:11pm: But besides these, they are also the remainder of a near extinct assortment of later Hominid species still lingering in isolation like a slow death. Yet you can't provide any evidence that they exist. To have a viable population surely they would leave some evidence. Knowing how the Human World is coming to be and where it's headed (many choices too). I think I understand that there 'should' be evidence for Hominids in Australia before Sapien Aboriginals. Maybe just a few thousand. But still - some. I'll stick with that as my evidence, thanks maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate.  ::) So in other words you have just "made it up" because it suits your own belief system No evidence. You just WANT it to be true No. It's a decision I have made by countless 'evidences' of the 'pattern' of how things have progressed in the World. The Human Pattern and that involves Pre-Sapien. Sorry - but unlike you, I see the Big Picture.

It is not uncommon for there to be a missing link, and a theory or even a hypothesis that another species would exist to link the ones we know about.

But this is a lack of knowledge, not evidence.

We think Dark Matter exists, we're almost certain of it, but as yet, there is no evidence to prove it.

SadKangaroo wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 9:09am:

We think Dark Matter exists, we're almost certain of it, but as yet, there is no evidence to prove it.

Actually there is evidence for dark matter, it's just that we have never directly observed it.

Astronomers noticed that stars within galaxies rotate faster than can be explained by all the observed matter in those galaxies. That was the discovery that implied the existence of dark matter. There have been other observations as well.

It is unscientific to claim the existence of something without evidence

Jasin just makes stuff up that he would like to be true.

https://www.livescience.com/64389-dark-matter-around-galaxies-constant.html

Scientists Find the 'Missing' Dark Matter from the Early Universe

By Mara Johnson-Groh, Live Science Contributor | January 2, 2019 06:50am ET

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1121154/Dark-matter-space-discovery-dark-matter-energy-galaxies-universe

Dark Matter BREAKTHROUGH: Mystery substance 'EXISTS' and explains 90% of the universe

By SEBASTIAN KETTLEY
PUBLISHED: 21:33, Tue, Apr 30, 2019 | UPDATED: 21:50, Tue, Apr 30, 2019

many blessings

it would be difficult for 3rd dimensional " scientists " to observe that which is multidimensional .. that being said

dark matter existed before " science " hypothesized " the notion of as much

and it continues to be as such , meanwhile

https://i.imgflip.com/2zvehi.jpg

link provided ..

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1121154/Dark-matter-space-discovery-dark-matter-energy-galaxies-universe

Dark Matter entered the Mind of a Scientific Man ,
but there was no 'evidence' to support its actual existence.

Was it just a dream?
______________________________
You can tell people like Barnacle always think with just one side of the brain. Definitely not ambidextrous enough to see that there is more than just one right answer. Barnacle prefer things to be all there in black and white.
Jeez. Thinking like me would be like me having Sonar like an Orca, eh?  ::)

Jasin wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 1:27am:

Dark Matter entered the Mind of a Scientific Man , but there was no 'evidence' to support its actual existence. Was it just a dream?

There is plenty of evidence for the existence of dark matter. That's the thing about science. It may not be what you want to believe, it may be counter intuitive, but if the evidence is there then it is a fact.
Science doesn't care what you believe.


Jasin wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 1:27am:

You can tell people like Barnacle always think with just one side of the brain. Definitely not ambidextrous enough to see that there is more than just one right answer. Barnacle prefer things to be all there in black and white. Jeez. Thinking like me would be like me having Sonar like an Orca, eh?  ::)

rather that than the fantasy world that you live in

It's been over a year since I started this thread but I'm still yet to see and dash can footage or mobile phone pictures of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips or Yeti? 

It's interesting to talk about what we think is out there, even what the science points to being out there, but we shouldn't confuse what we think is out there with that being proof of something out there.

It seems like that proof has been lacking, sadly.

Imagine the earth-shattering revelation of actual proof of other life out there...

I'd like to think it would bring us all together, not knowing there was another foe out there, but that we're all one people.

But that sort of thing, I'm sure, would be seen as "globalism" by certain people and they'd take up the same fight against immigrants but directed at the other life forms.

Who knows.

I used to hold more hope for humanity.

they say animals  have a good sense  an aunt of mine told me when she was a child she was standing in their old house' hallway she said she felt cold just like a shiver  as she turned round their little dog took off hell for leather out the back door tail between his legs yelping....she said she felt like screaming but couldnt let anything out... then all of a sudden the temperature changed back to normal...and she felt calm again.. dont know what happened to the dog ..she never said..........not sure about taking pictures   and who knows whats real anymore.. :(

There's a ton of photograhpic evidence for disputed stuff.  Take Chemtrails, for example.  Bitchute, utube and the like have copious videos of Chemtrails being laid … even videos of Chems being laid across Australia

even satellite photographs and video of Chems being sprayed diagonally all up the Queensland coast … and that was years ago, and available from 'trusted' institutions such as BoM and NASA

too much evidence, to the point the owners of the site, 'Gaiaguys' were fired upon at night in their remote homestead. Their animals were killed brutally and many poisoned.  Local police were aware of the attacks, but an MP who'd sold off protected land for a dollar an acre to his buddies and who was a big wig in the local Freemasonic society, and who was later rewarded by a prestigious position in Federal Parliament, succeeded in stitching up the couple and with help from a stinking little subsidiary of the Freemasons put those people in prison, well into their retirement.  They were released after a few years and it was put about online that they'd 'moved to Tasmania' --- code for murdered, it's said

So there's that

Then there's Carnicom out of the US who spent their own money having Chemtrail residue independently analysed which proved the US (and Australia and elsewhere) were being poisoned via food, water and air by their own military/government.  I think Carnicom's still up.  They have an insane amount of proof of the chemical composition of Chemtrails for all to see. And millions have not only accessed Carnicon and similar investigators -- they've also seen and videoed Chemtrails being sprayed endlessly in Australia.  Seen with their own eyes and captured on film and video.  All the proof anyone could want

Military and others in the US and elsewhere were injected with syphilis some decades ago.  They felt ill then became very ill and suspected their government was responsible.  That was denied by government.  Until, relatively recently, the government admitted to the public that yes, they had intentionally sickened their own people as an experiment.  They're now paying the survivors compensation.  Again, proof


So it depends what one's looking for when demanding proof

Me, I don't need anyone else's proof.  I trust my senses and eyes. And every now and then, there's confirmation in the form of other witnesses to the same event.  Not that I needed anyone's confirmation, but it's always nice to have

Only one third of humans experiences the paranormal, it's claimed.  Usually, the paranormal occurs spontaneously, unsolicited, when the experiencer is going about his/her daily life.  In my own experience, these events put me into what are known as altered-states, meaning, in my case, I function as a camera, recording to memory.  But at the time of the event, all thought process is suspended. I'm rendered merely as a human camera or video recorder.  As thought process is suspended for the duration of the event, I'm clearly incapable of 'thinking' I should get a camera.  In any event, I do not possess or desire a mobile phone.  I'm old school.  When something happens, my first thought is not that I should record it in order to put it online.  In any event, as said, I'm thrust without notice into what could be described as suspended animation.  I've read that's because what is unfolding around me drains my human energy in order to manifest.  That could be true, I have no idea

Many of the things I've witnessed of the paranormal type in my life are now appearing online as having occurred to others.  Forty years ago, they weren't much discussed.  The missing lower legs on ghosts, for example. I've no idea why the lower legs don't appear and didn't notice it myself until after the appearance of the second ghost.  A woman confided in me that her daughter had seen the ghost of her grandmother but was puzzled by the fact the grandmother didn't have lower legs and appeared to glide rather than walk. The mother suspected her daughter of lying about the event.  I confided to the woman that I'd noted the same thing about ghosts and was able to restore the girl's credibility in part at least.  Now others are telling publicly that the ghosts they saw lacked lower legs. Internet has given the world its own market square in which to share experiences. And those, like myself, who'd kept things to themselves are now able to share and confirm each others experiences.  It's a great thing

Not everyone experiences the paranormal (umbrella term).  As said, it's been estimated only one third have such experiences.  But to be remembered .. and we've discussed this before .. is that humans are believed by science to be capable of seeing/hearing a mere 1% of all that exists around them.  Some have tried to convince it's 7%.  Still not much of the whole picture

People who've had paranormal experiences have enough to think about without worrying what the blind two thirds of society have to say about it, quite frankly, and they are not required to provide 'proof' to anyone.  What can we say to the disbelievers (with whom I have no quarrel) other than Seek and Ye Might Find

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:33pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 30th, 2018 at 1:29pm: These days everything gets caught on camera. There are dashcams, surveillance cameras and everyone has a camera on their smart phone. The result of this is that we now get to see footage of amazing and rare events. Tornadoes, tsunamis, fireballs and earthquakes are all things that, until the 21st century, were rarely photographed or filmed. Now however we see footage from multiple angles and multiple vantage points. So my question is this. If we are seeing more and better quality footage of rare events like tsunamis and fireballs, why arn't we seeing correspondingly more and better quality footage of UFOs, Yowies, ghosts, Bunyips and Yeti?  Can we blame Islam?   :-/

Not here - Blaming Islam is main stream. Maybe Blame Buddha or the Jediists

PZ547 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 12:24pm:

even satellite photographs and video of Chems being sprayed diagonally all up the Queensland coast … and that was years ago, and available from 'trusted' institutions such as BoM and NASA

The thing is that "chemtrails" are actually condensation trails left by aircraft when the weather conditions are right.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 3:29pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 12:24pm: even satellite photographs and video of Chems being sprayed diagonally all up the Queensland coast … and that was years ago, and available from 'trusted' institutions such as BoM and NASA The thing is that "chemtrails" are actually condensation trails left by aircraft when the weather conditions are right.

https://i.imgur.com/jisyJNM.jpg

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