https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/michael-cohen-plea-deal-donald-trump/index.html

Two massive clouds that have been hanging over Donald Trump's presidency for months broke open almost simultaneously on Tuesday afternoon -- and poured rain all over the President.

Between 4 p.m. and 5 p.m. Eastern time, two narratives -- both disastrously bad for Trump -- emerged:
1. Paul Manafort, the man who spent five critical months leading Trump's campaign in 2016, was found guilty of eight financial crimes. On the 10 other charges brought against Manafort, the jury couldn't reach a unanimous conclusion and the presiding judge declared a mistrial on those counts.
2. Longtime Trump personal attorney and fixer Michael Cohen agreed to a plea deal with the Southern District of New York in which he admitted guilt on eight charges and acknowledged that he had discussed or made hush payments to two women alleging affairs with Trump in order to keep damaging information from becoming public, at the direction of and in coordination with a candidate for federal office. That candidate, although Cohen didn't name him, is obviously Donald Trump.

Either of these developments could make for a disastrous week for the President of the United States, who has watched special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian 2016 election interference draw ever closer to him as it has gone along. But for both Manafort to be found guilty and Cohen to not only plead guilty but to implicate Trump in a payoff that violates campaign finance law is, literally, catastrophic for the Trump White House.
While both stories are very big deals, the Cohen plea is more important in terms of its direct impact on Trump.
Remember that Cohen has acknowledged discussing or making payments to both porn star Stormy Daniels and ex-Playboy model Karen McDougal during the course of the 2016 campaign as a way to ensure their silence about alleged affairs they conducted years earlier with Trump.

Cohen at first insisted that the Daniels payment was made out of his own pocket and without any direct or indirect knowledge by Trump. Of the payoff, Cohen said back in February: "In a private transaction in 2016, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford. Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly."
In a New York City courtroom on Tuesday, Cohen admitted that wasn't true. He said he sought to keep the payments -- as well as their source -- out of the public eye "in coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office."
And those 12 words are a very, very, very big problem for Donald Trump. Here's why.
In April, Trump was asked about the Stormy Daniels payout by reporters. Here's that exchange:

Reporter: "Did you know about the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels?"
Trump: "No."
Reporter: "Then why did Michael Cohen make [the payment], if there was no truth to her allegations?"
Trump: "You'll have to ask Michael Cohen. Michael's my attorney, and you'll have to ask Michael."
Reporter: "Do you know where he got the money to make that payment?"
Trump: "No I don't know."

We've already learned, thanks to Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, that Trump paid Cohen back the $130,000 that was funneled through a shell company knows as Essential Consultants LLC to Daniels. But even that admission still gave Trump some level of plausible deniability: Sure, he was regularly paying Cohen a retainer to fix problems, but Trump never knew about any of the details of the payments or what they were for.

Except that's no longer accurate, according to what Cohen said as part of the plea deal. If Cohen was contemplating the payment to Daniels and McDougal at the "direction" of and in "coordination" with Trump, it's impossible for the President's statements made aboard Air Force One back in April to be accurate. Literally impossible.

What that means -- if Cohen's plea is to be taken at face value, which the Southern District of New York quite clearly does -- is that Trump may have not only sought to end-run campaign finance laws in coordination with Cohen in hopes of keeping allegations about his romantic life private but also lied about it.
That. Is. A. Massive. Deal. MASSIVE.

Now, on to Manafort. There was a tendency among some in the immediate aftermath of the ruling to point out two bits of allegedly good news for Manafort/Trump: 1) 10 of the 18 charges had been declared a mistrial and b) the charges all dealt with time long before Manafort came into Trump's orbit.

What that overlooks is that a) Even if the 10 other charges aren't re-tried, Manafort is going to spend years in jail and b) Manafort was Trump's lead campaign operative for an absolutely critical time of Trump's ascent to the presidency.

No matter what Trump says now about how little Manafort did in the campaign or how short a period of time he spent on the campaign, the fact of Manafort's essential role within the campaign is indisputable. And at the very least, Trump's decision to hire Manafort badly undermines the President's oft-repeated promise on the campaign trail that he would only hire the best people in his White House. Trump's former campaign manager has now been found guilty on eight felony charges of financial wrongdoing. You can't just wave that off. Or we shouldn't just wave that off.

I wrote recently that the next two weeks would be an absolutely critical moment for Trump's presidency, for the broader Republican Party and for the country. Now, in the space of a single hour, two massive dominoes have fallen -- and they both landed on Trump. While the Manafort news is more of a glancing blow, the Cohen plea deal is, without question, the biggest problem for Trump personally that has emerged publicly to date. We are talking about the President of the United States being implicated in a purposeful and coordinated attempt to break campaign finance laws. And to do so in service of keeping allegations about his private life out of the public eye during a campaign for the highest office in the land -- an office he won just 11 days after Cohen paid off Daniels.

It's the stuff of nightmares for Trump and his inner circle, sure. But it also poses huge risks for a Republican Party that has largely tolerated Trump's radical presidency in hopes of securing things like long-term conservative dominance on the Supreme Court or a tax cut law. What can or will the congressional leaders within the party say -- particularly given that the 2018 midterm election is now less than 100 days away?

This is a day -- and an hour -- the Trump operation and the broader Republican Party has long dreaded, and likely had come to believe might never arrive. But here we are.

The fallout from this most newsy of hours in the Trump presidency will almost certainly transform the political landscape in the coming days and weeks. Most pressingly, Trump or his lawyers need to try to find some way to explain why he insisted he knew nothing about the payment to Daniels when Cohen has said he kept harmful information from becoming public at Trump's -- or a "candidate's" -- behest. But other questions will have to be asked (and answered) quickly as well: Do Republicans stand by Trump? Does impeachment chatter pick up outside of the fringes of the left? How does the always mercurial Trump react on Twitter to what looks like being caught in a blatant lie?

And then of course there remains Mueller and the report he is working on to detail his findings about Russia's interference in the 2016 election, the possibility of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign and whether or not Trump may have obstructed the investigation being run out of the FBI.

We don't know the hour -- or the day -- the Mueller report will be released. But that may be the only hour that could eclipse the disastrous 60 minutes Trump endured on Tuesday.






suck it up trumptards...

Silence from the supporters of the alleged child rapist.

Oh dear.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Silence from the supporters of the alleged child rapist. Oh dear.

how would you respond to this in any credible fashion? Trump has been CAUGHT Committing a crime. end of story.

Lol.

So trump has sex with playboy bunnies.

I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access.

The alpha is prized for his masculine energy.

This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective.

Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 12:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:48pm: Silence from the supporters of the alleged child rapist. Oh dear. how would you respond to this in any credible fashion? Trump has been CAUGHT Committing a crime. end of story.

I suspect they'll try deflection.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 1:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:48pm: Silence from the supporters of the alleged child rapist. Oh dear. how would you respond to this in any credible fashion? Trump has been CAUGHT Committing a crime. end of story. I suspect they'll try deflection.

Um, so young women who get caught by their daddykins blowing criminals never tried the ol' manipulation of daddykins around the finger trick?

go vic park logic, yay....  ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 1:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:48pm: Silence from the supporters of the alleged child rapist. Oh dear. how would you respond to this in any credible fashion? Trump has been CAUGHT Committing a crime. end of story. I suspect they'll try deflection.

Aquahorse has certainly tried. He is so in awe of ANYONE who can get sex since he personally cannot.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 12:59pm:

Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion

Allegedly.

Small children too, as well as women who don't give consent - allegedly.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 1:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion Allegedly. Small children too, as well as women who don't give consent - allegedly.

Aqua is obsessed with how Trump can get sex since aqua cannot. Is that all his insane pro-trump ramblings amount to??  desperation?

aquascoot wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 12:59pm:

Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion

It was not the fact he is a cheating scum bag that will get him in trouble....It is the fact he lied about it....All Trump does is lie and blame everyone else for the problems he has created!!!

::) ::) ::)

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:11pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion Allegedly. Small children too, as well as women who don't give consent - allegedly. Aqua is obsessed with how Trump can get sex since aqua cannot. Is that all his insane pro-trump ramblings amount to??  desperation?

Sex with hookers.

News flash, aqua: hookers have sex with anyone willing to pay.

Well, anyone who says they're willing to pay.

I'm guessing the hookers, just like everyone else Trump has dealt with, weren't paid.

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion It was not the fact he is a cheating scum bag that will get him in trouble....It is the fact he lied about it....All Trump does is lie and blame everyone else for the problems he has created!!! ::) ::) ::)

Phil has never sinned: you heard it here first folks!

TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 1:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:40pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion It was not the fact he is a cheating scum bag that will get him in trouble....It is the fact he lied about it....All Trump does is lie and blame everyone else for the problems he has created!!! ::) ::) ::) Phil has never sinned: you heard it here first folks!

I have never f@#ked around on my wife mate....Are you saying there is nothing wrong with f@#king someone while your wife is having your baby....Over to you to justify your response???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 2:54pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:40pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion It was not the fact he is a cheating scum bag that will get him in trouble....It is the fact he lied about it....All Trump does is lie and blame everyone else for the problems he has created!!! ::) ::) ::) Phil has never sinned: you heard it here first folks! I have never f@#ked around on my wife mate....Are you saying there is nothing wrong with f@#king someone while your wife is having your baby....Over to you to justify your response??? :-? :-? :-?

DRAH is just a drug-addled loon with little to no idea of what is even happening around about him in the asylum.

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 2:54pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:40pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion It was not the fact he is a cheating scum bag that will get him in trouble....It is the fact he lied about it....All Trump does is lie and blame everyone else for the problems he has created!!! ::) ::) ::) Phil has never sinned: you heard it here first folks! I have never f@#ked around on my wife mate....Are you saying there is nothing wrong with f@#king someone while your wife is having your baby....Over to you to justify your response??? :-? :-? :-?

Plenty of people commit sin: I bet even your own family is guilty of many!

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 3:26pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 2:54pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:40pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion It was not the fact he is a cheating scum bag that will get him in trouble....It is the fact he lied about it....All Trump does is lie and blame everyone else for the problems he has created!!! ::) ::) ::) Phil has never sinned: you heard it here first folks! I have never f@#ked around on my wife mate....Are you saying there is nothing wrong with f@#king someone while your wife is having your baby....Over to you to justify your response??? :-? :-? :-? DRAH is just a drug-addled loon with little to no idea of what is even happening around about him in the asylum.

Lol, because I've never met a sinner  ::)

TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 3:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 2:54pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:40pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion It was not the fact he is a cheating scum bag that will get him in trouble....It is the fact he lied about it....All Trump does is lie and blame everyone else for the problems he has created!!! ::) ::) ::) Phil has never sinned: you heard it here first folks! I have never f@#ked around on my wife mate....Are you saying there is nothing wrong with f@#king someone while your wife is having your baby....Over to you to justify your response??? :-? :-? :-? Plenty of people commit sin: I bet even your own family is guilty of many!

As someone who is agnostic, sin is not something I consider relevant....I have integrity, do not break the law and did not lie to the DOJ....This is also not about me it is about Donald Trump and the lies that he has told!!!

::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 12:59pm:

Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion

Exactly. Betas like Bill Clinton can't keep up with such an alpha.

As you rightly said, dear, Hillary must be desperate to have stayed with such a serial philanderer. She only has herself to blame, no?

Why were these people never charged?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 1:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion Allegedly. Small children too, as well as women who don't give consent - allegedly.

No - children is alleged (by one of the children)

sexually assaulting women who don't give consent is not an allegation - it is a self confessed fact. he was recorded bragging about routinely sexually assaulting women.

Trump is the only world leader we have for whom it would be easier to count the number of times he tells the truth.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 8:06pm:

Trump is the only world leader we have for whom it would be easier to count the number of times he tells the truth.

Yes, but Mr Trump tells it like it is.

Why should he have to tell the truth?

Trump must be very fortunate he is president right now.

His position means he not facing jail like his cronies.

Raven wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 9:10pm:

Trump must be very fortunate he is president right now. His position means he not facing jail like his cronies.

Now that's unfair. You point to one charge Mr Trump is facing jail for. Go on.

You leftards make me sick.

Karnal wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 9:12pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 9:10pm: Trump must be very fortunate he is president right now. His position means he not facing jail like his cronies. Now that's unfair. You point to one charge Mr Trump is facing jail for. Go on. You leftards make me sick.

C'mon Karnal lets play nice. You and Raven both know the charges he would be facing were he not President.

Raven wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 9:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 9:12pm: Raven wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 9:10pm: Trump must be very fortunate he is president right now. His position means he not facing jail like his cronies. Now that's unfair. You point to one charge Mr Trump is facing jail for. Go on. You leftards make me sick. C'mon Karnal lets play nice. You and Raven both know the charges he would be facing were he not President.

Well, ask Panther. He's our constitutional expert. There is nothing wrong with Mr Trump breaking any laws while he's president; or prior to becoming president.

Panther can give you the details on this.

Until then, DRAIN THE SWAMP.

Karnal wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 10:05pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 9:31pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 9:12pm: Raven wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 9:10pm: Trump must be very fortunate he is president right now. His position means he not facing jail like his cronies. Now that's unfair. You point to one charge Mr Trump is facing jail for. Go on. You leftards make me sick. C'mon Karnal lets play nice. You and Raven both know the charges he would be facing were he not President. Well, ask Panther. He's our constitutional expert. There is nothing wrong with Mr Trump breaking any laws while he's president; or prior to becoming president. Panther can give you the details on this. Until then, DRAIN THE SWAMP.

Is the Trump tower swimming pool called the swamp ?

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 11:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 10:05pm: Raven wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 9:31pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 9:12pm: Raven wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 9:10pm: Trump must be very fortunate he is president right now. His position means he not facing jail like his cronies. Now that's unfair. You point to one charge Mr Trump is facing jail for. Go on. You leftards make me sick. C'mon Karnal lets play nice. You and Raven both know the charges he would be facing were he not President. Well, ask Panther. He's our constitutional expert. There is nothing wrong with Mr Trump breaking any laws while he's president; or prior to becoming president. Panther can give you the details on this. Until then, DRAIN THE SWAMP. Is the Trump tower swimming pool called the swamp ?

You take that back, Dnarever. We're talking about Hillary and the Democrats here.

LOCK HER UP.

This situation is exactly what Guliani has been preparing for with his poorly handled "perjury trap" claims.

He'll continue saying Cohen is lying, but Mueller will believe him then when Trump tells the truth, it will be considered perjury.

In the court of public opinion it will be enough for the Trumptards to stick with their witch-hunt story, but to everyone else who understands how an actual investigation works, it's just another tactic to protect an obviously guilty person.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 5:30am:

This situation is exactly what Guliani has been preparing for with his poorly handled "perjury trap" claims. He'll continue saying Cohen is lying, but Mueller will believe him then when Trump tells the truth, it will be considered perjury. In the court of public opinion it will be enough for the Trumptards to stick with their witch-hunt story, but to everyone else who understands how an actual investigation works, it's just another tactic to protect an obviously guilty person.

Apart from the true trumptards who are mercifully a minority, the rest of america is slowly realising that Trump is little more than a criminal. The GOP have yet to act on it even though they also know.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 8:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:11pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion Allegedly. Small children too, as well as women who don't give consent - allegedly. No - children is alleged (by one of the children) sexually assaulting women who don't give consent is not an allegation - it is a self confessed fact. he was recorded bragging about routinely sexually assaulting women.

Indeed.

An alleged child rapist, and a self-confessed sexual predator.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 9:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 8:03pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:11pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion Allegedly. Small children too, as well as women who don't give consent - allegedly. No - children is alleged (by one of the children) sexually assaulting women who don't give consent is not an allegation - it is a self confessed fact. he was recorded bragging about routinely sexually assaulting women. Indeed. An alleged child rapist, and a self-confessed sexual predator.

there is more to land on top of Trump. He will end up in jail but the sheer weight of the quantity and seriousness of his crimes makes it virtually unavoidable.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlNfVNYXgAABRxK.jpg

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 9:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 9:15am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 8:03pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:11pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion Allegedly. Small children too, as well as women who don't give consent - allegedly. No - children is alleged (by one of the children) sexually assaulting women who don't give consent is not an allegation - it is a self confessed fact. he was recorded bragging about routinely sexually assaulting women. Indeed. An alleged child rapist, and a self-confessed sexual predator. there is more to land on top of Trump. He will end up in jail but the sheer weight of the quantity and seriousness of his crimes makes it virtually unavoidable.

So why aren't the leftards and cultural Marxists complaining about Obama and Hillary then? There's the email server, for a start. Uranium One, Clinton Foundation, Obamacare. CORRUPT.

Why can't the leftards just be positive for a change? Fat Steve and Janeen just want their pizza and their free porn. They don't care about a few dumb charges. Most people admire Mr Trump for getting things done. They want to hear a positive story.

LOCK HER UP. BUILD THE WALL. DRAIN THE SWAMP.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 9:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 9:15am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 8:03pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:11pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 12:59pm: Lol. So trump has sex with playboy bunnies. I think JFK had tunnels built to allow the babes access. The alpha is prized for his masculine energy. This only makes trump more of a legend from a biological perspective. Longy and gweggy may be prudes but real Americans are in awe of such a noble stallion Allegedly. Small children too, as well as women who don't give consent - allegedly. No - children is alleged (by one of the children) sexually assaulting women who don't give consent is not an allegation - it is a self confessed fact. he was recorded bragging about routinely sexually assaulting women. Indeed. An alleged child rapist, and a self-confessed sexual predator. there is more to land on top of Trump. He will end up in jail but the sheer weight of the quantity and seriousness of his crimes makes it virtually unavoidable.

you are a comedian.

if trump were to end up in jail, the country would tank, the stock market would tank and there would be 60 million deplorables who would declare civil war on the swamp.
now, try and engage your brain and stop living in this fantasy world you have constrructed in your mummys basement.
"real" americans would NEVER allow that to happen

Are you sure all those things would happen Aqua?

Have you not seen the slow down of all the positive trends the moment Trump took office?

Have you not seen the projections released by the Whitehouse of the GDP and budget deficits over the next coming months?

Perhaps taking Trump away from the wheel would be a good thing.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 6:41am:

Are you sure all those things would happen Aqua? Have you not seen the slow down of all the positive trends the moment Trump took office? Have you not seen the projections released by the Whitehouse of the GDP and budget deficits over the next coming months? Perhaps taking Trump away from the wheel would be a good thing.

if the left dont like trump, i would suggest they start coming up with some policies and engaging with the deplorables.
i know its easier to chuck a tantrum and want him carted off to prison.
thats just "wish fulfilment"
thats how 4 yo kids think when they want a pony.
how about the left get off their asses, admit they got the last election so very wrong and work forward in a calm and confident manner.

gweggy, longie, maxine waters and rachel maddow arent helping your cause.
they need to be put in "time out' with all the other naughty children

aquascoot wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 6:55am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:41am: Are you sure all those things would happen Aqua? Have you not seen the slow down of all the positive trends the moment Trump took office? Have you not seen the projections released by the Whitehouse of the GDP and budget deficits over the next coming months? Perhaps taking Trump away from the wheel would be a good thing. if the left dont like trump, i would suggest they start coming up with some policies and engaging with the deplorables. i know its easier to chuck a tantrum and want him carted off to prison. thats just "wish fulfilment" thats how 4 yo kids think when they want a pony. how about the left get off their asses, admit they got the last election so very wrong and work forward in a calm and confident manner. gweggy, longie, maxine waters and rachel maddow arent helping your cause. they need to be put in "time out' with all the other naughty children

is there ANYTHING about Trumps breaches of the law that you even understand?

aquascoot wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 6:55am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:41am: Are you sure all those things would happen Aqua? Have you not seen the slow down of all the positive trends the moment Trump took office? Have you not seen the projections released by the Whitehouse of the GDP and budget deficits over the next coming months? Perhaps taking Trump away from the wheel would be a good thing. if the left dont like trump, i would suggest they start coming up with some policies and engaging with the deplorables.

You mean like Democrats and Republicans running in the 2018 erections?

That's a bit much, Aquascoot. Policies?

The best thing they can do is play golf and pork the sexiest fillies. Remember?

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 10:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:55am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:41am: Are you sure all those things would happen Aqua? Have you not seen the slow down of all the positive trends the moment Trump took office? Have you not seen the projections released by the Whitehouse of the GDP and budget deficits over the next coming months? Perhaps taking Trump away from the wheel would be a good thing. if the left dont like trump, i would suggest they start coming up with some policies and engaging with the deplorables. You mean like Democrats and Republicans running in the 2018 erections? That's a bit much, Aquascoot. Policies? The best thing they can do is play golf and pork the sexiest fillies. Remember?

the problem for the democrats is that politics is a game.
and like a game of chess, there are a lot of potential ways to play the game.
trump has chosen to play a very smart game.
he has assumed this very simple but devestatingly effective strategy of tweeting to the people and the deomcrats dont have a clue how to deal with him.

what they need to do is to stop playing his game and find another game to play with the american people.
because they just look pathetic when they are constantly 'sucked into his frame".

you know this karmal.

if apple wanted to beat microsoft, it was no good just trying to play that game.
they have to be innovative and show some creativity and come up with a new strategy.

because the "hating on trump and hating on his supporters game" is the game trump wants you to play.

and the 'trying to impeach him game", makes the dems look vindictive and pathetic.

surely you can see that the postings of longie and gweg are NOT going to bring people over to the left.
Joe Lunchbox is not going to be vilified and then have some lightbulb moment where he falls down and has an epiphany and becomes a democrat. thats not how people work

aquascoot wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 11:06am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 10:58am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:55am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:41am: Are you sure all those things would happen Aqua? Have you not seen the slow down of all the positive trends the moment Trump took office? Have you not seen the projections released by the Whitehouse of the GDP and budget deficits over the next coming months? Perhaps taking Trump away from the wheel would be a good thing. if the left dont like trump, i would suggest they start coming up with some policies and engaging with the deplorables. You mean like Democrats and Republicans running in the 2018 erections? That's a bit much, Aquascoot. Policies? The best thing they can do is play golf and pork the sexiest fillies. Remember? the problem for the democrats is that politics is a game. and like a game of chess, there are a lot of potential ways to play the game. trump has chosen to play a very smart game. he has assumed this very simple but devestatingly effective strategy of tweeting to the people and the deomcrats dont have a clue how to deal with him. what they need to do is to stop playing his game and find another game to play with the american people. because they just look pathetic when they are constantly 'sucked into his frame". you know this karmal. if apple wanted to beat microsoft, it was no good just trying to play that game. they have to be innovative and show some creativity and come up with a new strategy. because the "hating on trump and hating on his supporters game" is the game trump wants you to play. and the 'trying to impeach him game", makes the dems look vindictive and pathetic. surely you can see that the postings of longie and gweg are NOT going to bring people over to the left. Joe Lunchbox is not going to be vilified and then have some lightbulb moment where he falls down and has an epiphany and becomes a democrat. thats not how people work

Longy's a Christian conservative and rusted-on Liberal Party voter, dear. You?

Getting erected might be a game, but do you think governing is?

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 11:09am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 11:06am: Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 10:58am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:55am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:41am: Are you sure all those things would happen Aqua? Have you not seen the slow down of all the positive trends the moment Trump took office? Have you not seen the projections released by the Whitehouse of the GDP and budget deficits over the next coming months? Perhaps taking Trump away from the wheel would be a good thing. if the left dont like trump, i would suggest they start coming up with some policies and engaging with the deplorables. You mean like Democrats and Republicans running in the 2018 erections? That's a bit much, Aquascoot. Policies? The best thing they can do is play golf and pork the sexiest fillies. Remember? the problem for the democrats is that politics is a game. and like a game of chess, there are a lot of potential ways to play the game. trump has chosen to play a very smart game. he has assumed this very simple but devestatingly effective strategy of tweeting to the people and the deomcrats dont have a clue how to deal with him. what they need to do is to stop playing his game and find another game to play with the american people. because they just look pathetic when they are constantly 'sucked into his frame". you know this karmal. if apple wanted to beat microsoft, it was no good just trying to play that game. they have to be innovative and show some creativity and come up with a new strategy. because the "hating on trump and hating on his supporters game" is the game trump wants you to play. and the 'trying to impeach him game", makes the dems look vindictive and pathetic. surely you can see that the postings of longie and gweg are NOT going to bring people over to the left. Joe Lunchbox is not going to be vilified and then have some lightbulb moment where he falls down and has an epiphany and becomes a democrat. thats not how people work Longy's a Christian conservative and rusted-on Liberal Party voter, dear. You? Getting erected might be a game, but do you think governing is?

joe lunchbox likes to govern himself.
he is wary of washington.
and with good reason.
the less he hears out of washington the better.
a 25 word tweet is his ideal length of communication.

trump understands "real" america

aquascoot wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 11:16am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 11:09am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 11:06am: Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 10:58am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:55am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:41am: Are you sure all those things would happen Aqua? Have you not seen the slow down of all the positive trends the moment Trump took office? Have you not seen the projections released by the Whitehouse of the GDP and budget deficits over the next coming months? Perhaps taking Trump away from the wheel would be a good thing. if the left dont like trump, i would suggest they start coming up with some policies and engaging with the deplorables. You mean like Democrats and Republicans running in the 2018 erections? That's a bit much, Aquascoot. Policies? The best thing they can do is play golf and pork the sexiest fillies. Remember? the problem for the democrats is that politics is a game. and like a game of chess, there are a lot of potential ways to play the game. trump has chosen to play a very smart game. he has assumed this very simple but devestatingly effective strategy of tweeting to the people and the deomcrats dont have a clue how to deal with him. what they need to do is to stop playing his game and find another game to play with the american people. because they just look pathetic when they are constantly 'sucked into his frame". you know this karmal. if apple wanted to beat microsoft, it was no good just trying to play that game. they have to be innovative and show some creativity and come up with a new strategy. because the "hating on trump and hating on his supporters game" is the game trump wants you to play. and the 'trying to impeach him game", makes the dems look vindictive and pathetic. surely you can see that the postings of longie and gweg are NOT going to bring people over to the left. Joe Lunchbox is not going to be vilified and then have some lightbulb moment where he falls down and has an epiphany and becomes a democrat. thats not how people work Longy's a Christian conservative and rusted-on Liberal Party voter, dear. You? Getting erected might be a game, but do you think governing is? joe lunchbox likes to govern himself. he is wary of washington. and with good reason. the less he hears out of washington the better. a 25 word tweet is his ideal length of communication. trump understands "real" america

How does Joe govern macroeconomic policy, Aquascoot? How does he regulate traffic, the law, foreign relations?

I'm curious. I'm keen to know more.

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 11:23am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 11:16am: Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 11:09am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 11:06am: Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 10:58am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:55am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:41am: Are you sure all those things would happen Aqua? Have you not seen the slow down of all the positive trends the moment Trump took office? Have you not seen the projections released by the Whitehouse of the GDP and budget deficits over the next coming months? Perhaps taking Trump away from the wheel would be a good thing. if the left dont like trump, i would suggest they start coming up with some policies and engaging with the deplorables. You mean like Democrats and Republicans running in the 2018 erections? That's a bit much, Aquascoot. Policies? The best thing they can do is play golf and pork the sexiest fillies. Remember? the problem for the democrats is that politics is a game. and like a game of chess, there are a lot of potential ways to play the game. trump has chosen to play a very smart game. he has assumed this very simple but devestatingly effective strategy of tweeting to the people and the deomcrats dont have a clue how to deal with him. what they need to do is to stop playing his game and find another game to play with the american people. because they just look pathetic when they are constantly 'sucked into his frame". you know this karmal. if apple wanted to beat microsoft, it was no good just trying to play that game. they have to be innovative and show some creativity and come up with a new strategy. because the "hating on trump and hating on his supporters game" is the game trump wants you to play. and the 'trying to impeach him game", makes the dems look vindictive and pathetic. surely you can see that the postings of longie and gweg are NOT going to bring people over to the left. Joe Lunchbox is not going to be vilified and then have some lightbulb moment where he falls down and has an epiphany and becomes a democrat. thats not how people work Longy's a Christian conservative and rusted-on Liberal Party voter, dear. You? Getting erected might be a game, but do you think governing is? joe lunchbox likes to govern himself. he is wary of washington. and with good reason. the less he hears out of washington the better. a 25 word tweet is his ideal length of communication. trump understands "real" america How does Joe govern macroeconomic policy, Aquascoot? How does he regulate traffic, the law, foreign relations? I'm curious. I'm keen to know more.

are you saying obama used to go down and do traffic control during his lunch hour?

macroeconomic policy...this is subcontracted to wall street.
the law...the founding fathers got that right
foreign relations...trump has pulled the plug on american cash propping up NATO and the UN. he has met Kim jong and vlad and given them a big hug, he has met angela and given her the cold shoulder, he has told china to quit stealing american intellectual property.
all this has been achieved whilst still having time for his hot wife and a round of golf to recharge.

an efficient and intelligent leader

I see. Your belief is all a government has to do is outsource.

Globalization, innit.

How's the Australian Liberal party working out for you longy ? You used to support them,  what happened?

Its time wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 2:09pm:

How's the Australian Liberal party working out for you longy ? You used to support them,  what happened?

still do. not sure ur point given this is the AMERICA forum.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 3:23pm:

Its time wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 2:09pm: How's the Australian Liberal party working out for you longy ? You used to support them,  what happened? still do. not sure ur point given this is the AMERICA forum.

Very astute observation,  why aren't you in there fist pumping for your Messiah's?

Its time wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 6:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 3:23pm: Its time wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 2:09pm: How's the Australian Liberal party working out for you longy ? You used to support them,  what happened? still do. not sure ur point given this is the AMERICA forum. Very astute observation,  why aren't you in there fist pumping for your Messiah's?

Ive never likes Turnbull. He is weak and wont pursue any policy he finds difficult. NEG r the 15%GST just went nowhere coz it was too hard. I like Bishop and dont mind Morrison.