What happened to the last $500 off your power bill if we got rid of the carbon tax ?

Still waiting for it :D LOL

The saddest party nail is that the electorate continue to believe the bulldust that pours out of their mouths when any normal person just knows by experience they are lying.

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 10:27am:

What happened to the last $500 off your power bill if we got rid of the carbon tax ? Still waiting for it :D LOL

I want my $500 bucks now.

macman wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 10:39am:

The saddest party nail is that the electorate continue to believe the bulldust that pours out of their mouths when any normal person just knows by experience they are lying.

On the one hand they want to see their business mates maximize profits from the privatized electricity racket they have inflicted on us. Now they want to reduce those profits and give us all a discount :D LOL

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 10:40am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 10:27am: What happened to the last $500 off your power bill if we got rid of the carbon tax ? Still waiting for it :D LOL I want my $500 bucks now.

It was $550 now they are going double or nothing.

Well not really it's just nothing but don't tell anyone.

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 10:41am:

macman wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 10:39am: The saddest party nail is that the electorate continue to believe the bulldust that pours out of their mouths when any normal person just knows by experience they are lying. On the one hand they want to see their business mates maximize profits from the privatized electricity racket they have inflicted on us. Now they want to reduce those profits and give us all a discount :D LOL

More likely that they want to increase those profits and pretend to give us a discount.

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Still waiting for my $550 a year better off power bill.   :(

But the bills should have gone up by $1200 per year. 

You're welcome.

Just like the increased in dental cost won't hurt the poor because they don't have any teeth?

Its time wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 11:06am:

http://oi67.tinypic.com/21t1t0.jpg

priceless :D LOL

So after many pages of how prices are increasing; you don't want anyone trying to reduce them?

How bizarre is that?

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

So after many pages of how prices are increasing; you don't want anyone trying to reduce them? How bizarre is that?

Like anyone believes libtards are going to reduce them

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

So after many pages of how prices are increasing; you don't want anyone trying to reduce them? How bizarre is that?

But what is Abbott's solution?

There is more than one to the problem.  One solution we'll have to take eventually, and another that will just kick the issue further down the road while not helping in other areas.

Abbott and Dutton are advocating for the latter, just like they did with the NBN.

I would have hoped people would have woken up to their BS by now, but clearly, there are still people who are so partisan and entrenched in their views that the only thing that will change their mind is death.

Which is a shame.  Humanity needs to improve, not hope that those holding us back expire.

Its time wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 1:27pm: So after many pages of how prices are increasing; you don't want anyone trying to reduce them? How bizarre is that? Like anyone believes libtards are going to reduce them

So tell us how Labor will reduce power prices.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 1:40pm:

There is more than one to the problem.  One solution we'll have to take eventually, and another that will just kick the issue further down the road while not helping in other areas.

yeah. Bill will know. /sarc

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 1:40pm:

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 1:27pm: So after many pages of how prices are increasing; you don't want anyone trying to reduce them? How bizarre is that? But what is Abbott's solution? There is more than one to the problem.  One solution we'll have to take eventually, and another that will just kick the issue further down the road while not helping in other areas. Abbott and Dutton are advocating for the latter, just like they did with the NBN. I would have hoped people would have woken up to their BS by now, but clearly, there are still people who are so partisan and entrenched in their views that the only thing that will change their mind is death. Which is a shame.  Humanity needs to improve, not hope that those holding us back expire.

Abort wants to go back to using oil lanterns and steam locomotives. Abort has got it all worked out. We should all vote for him  :D LOL

Fist off you would have to show a federal politician or party could effect power price cuts.

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 2:20pm:

Fist off you would have to show a federal politician or party could effect power price cuts.

Still waiting for the $500 discount that Abort promised us all :D LOL

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 2:20pm:

Fist off you would have to show a federal politician or party could effect power price cuts.

There lies a key point Lee.   Exactly how are any politicians, State or federal going to lower prices?    Many of the power generators are in private hands, wholesale power prices themselves fluctuate wildly as the day progresses, and many generation facilities are old and run down and in need of millions of dollars for maintenance.    All that will happen is that the generators will just shutup shop and invest elsewhere.

In the end, the Government will either offer taxpayer's money under the table to keep the generators on board and give the impression that they have lowered prices, or there will be subsidies for certain demographics of the public,

Neither major party can do anything to lower prices whilst foreign entities control supply and distribution

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 2:22pm:

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 2:20pm: Fist off you would have to show a federal politician or party could effect power price cuts. Still waiting for the $500 550 discount that Abort promised us all :D LOL

Fixed

Its time wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 2:29pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 2:22pm: lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 2:20pm: Fist off you would have to show a federal politician or party could effect power price cuts. Still waiting for the $500 550 discount that Abort promised us all :D LOL Fixed

didn't Morrision mine bitcoin and it is now $1150?

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 2:22pm:

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 2:20pm: Fist off you would have to show a federal politician or party could effect power price cuts. Still waiting for the $500 discount that Abort promised us all :D LOL

;D ;D ;D ;D

You guys trust political promises? Really? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 3:11pm:

You guys trust political promises? Really? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Expecting honesty from any politicians.

Is like expecting common sense from trolls

wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 2:30pm:

Its time wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 2:29pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 2:22pm: lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 2:20pm: Fist off you would have to show a federal politician or party could effect power price cuts. Still waiting for the $500 550 discount that Abort promised us all :D LOL Fixed didn't Morrision mine bitcoin and it is now $1150?

:)

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 1:40pm:

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 1:27pm: So after many pages of how prices are increasing; you don't want anyone trying to reduce them? How bizarre is that? But what is Abbott's solution?

Abolish the "carbon tax".

It didn't work.

Bam wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 4:20pm:

Abolish the "carbon tax". It didn't work.

What didn't it do? What was the law designed to do? What was its repeal designed to do?

Or did you mean the "carbon tax" didn't work?  Did it tax "carbon"? Did it tax carbon dioxide? Two very different things. ;)

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

So after many pages of how prices are increasing; you don't want anyone trying to reduce them? How bizarre is that?

More like don't believe the same old lie again and again ??

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 4:33pm:

Bam wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 4:20pm: Abolish the "carbon tax". It didn't work. What didn't it do? What was the law designed to do? What was its repeal designed to do? Or did you mean the "carbon tax" didn't work?  Did it tax "carbon"? Did it tax carbon dioxide? Two very different things. ;)

Can this be Lee's pedant topic of the day ?

Dnarever wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 5:09pm:

Can this be Lee's pedant topic of the day ?

Oh look. Dna has found his word of the week. ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 1:48pm:

Its time wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 1:37pm: lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 1:27pm: So after many pages of how prices are increasing; you don't want anyone trying to reduce them? How bizarre is that? Like anyone believes libtards are going to reduce them So tell us how Labor will reduce power prices.

That isn't a valid defense, explanation or justification for how the Liberal Party will do it.

They have a long and sordid history inflating a problem, claiming they're the only ones to can fix it, implementing a solution that addresses some other ideological cause they have but doesn't address the issue, then deflate the rhetoric around the issue to it appears they've had a positive impact.

It will be a little harder this time around given that this is an issue everyone can see the outcome for themselves, but it's exactly what they did with the abolition of the carbon tax.

Power bills didn't get cheaper, but they stopped talking about it, until now after enough community outage.  They got to implement their ideological cause and they just moved on, job done.

Duped their constituency again.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 5:19pm:

That isn't a valid defense, explanation or justification for how the Liberal Party will do it.

I'm sorry. I didn't know I was supposed to mount a defence, explanation or justification. ;D ;D ;D ;D

As I said elsewhere - federal politicians have no say in power prices. Live with it.

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 5:46pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 5:19pm: That isn't a valid defense, explanation or justification for how the Liberal Party will do it. I'm sorry. I didn't know I was supposed to mount a defence, explanation or justification. ;D ;D ;D ;D As I said elsewhere - federal politicians have no say in power prices. Live with it.

Other than setting things like renewable targets and changes in generation and the rules around privatisation.

At least if we were moving to having more renewables in the mix there would be something to gain out of these price increases.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 6:13pm:

t least if we were moving to having more renewables in the mix there would be something to gain out of these price increases.

So you are in favour of cost increases? Are you also in favour in less despatchable energy?

Or are you one of those who think we don't need baseload power? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 4:33pm:

Bam wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 4:20pm: Abolish the "carbon tax". It didn't work. What didn't it do? What was the law designed to do? What was its repeal designed to do? Or did you mean the "carbon tax" didn't work?  Did it tax "carbon"? Did it tax carbon dioxide? Two very different things. ;)

It didn't do what Abbott said it would.

Abbott LIED.

Bam wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 7:15pm:

It didn't do what Abbott said it would. Abbott LIED.

yes petal. As I said politicians lie. Even your beloved Bill.

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 6:13pm: t least if we were moving to having more renewables in the mix there would be something to gain out of these price increases. So you are in favour of cost increases? Are you also in favour in less despatchable energy? Or are you one of those who think we don't need baseload power? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I don't believe a new coal fired power plant will ever be built in Australia Lee....It is too expensive, it would take a decade to build and commission, the private sector has shown little interest without public subsidies and guarantees for long term contracts as the plant must operate for 50 years to be viable....The Government would never get the support in Parliament for any particular form of energy as the policy is agnostic....Those advocating for new coal power are ignoring reality!!!

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lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 6:13pm: t least if we were moving to having more renewables in the mix there would be something to gain out of these price increases. So you are in favour of cost increases? Are you also in favour in less despatchable energy? Or are you one of those who think we don't need baseload power? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm very familiar with the situation, that's why I said more renewables in the mix, not as a replacement to coal.

I realise the only real way you can "debate" on here is to belittle and attack those who don't think 100% like you but at least try harder.

Maybe don't include within the text that you quote information that already negates your point?

The liberal way is either a) get taxpayers to build it and then sell it cheap to their mates, or b) actually do what they claim and let the market deal with it.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 12:13pm:

I'm very familiar with the situation, that's why I said more renewables in the mix, not as a replacement to coal.

Where did I reference coal?

Maybe you can show that increasing renewables will lead to a decrease in prices? Most of the subsidies are to renewables.

I thought they were now cheaper than fossil fuelled sources of power. Why the need for these subsidies?

Having to run fossil fuelled plant as back up to renewables isn't cost effective and can never be cost effective.

Roll over Mal , just another libtard that flip flops on his own policy