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Title: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Yadda on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 10:31am

Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.

I just watched a TV news 'grab' of Penny Wong in parliament, condemning Fraser Anning.

Penny Wong is wrong, in how she is portraying that Fraser Anning's opinions about ISLAM, must be about 'racism'.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-15/live-parliament-condemns-fraser-anning-speech/10122236

Dictionary;
bigot = = a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.

n.b.
Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."

Penny Wong has been stating that opposition to ISLAM, in Australia, must be about 'racism'.

It is not about 'racism'.

Penny Wong is wrong.

Rejection of the followers of ISLAM, by many Australians, has nothing to do with the issue of 'racism'.

ISLAM, and those who are the followers of ISLAM,    ARE NOT A RACE OF PEOPLE.

Penny Wong, i'm here to tell you that ISLAM is an ideology.

NEITHER ISLAM, NOR ITS FOLLOWERS, CAN BE LEGITIMATELY 'IDENTIFIED' AS 'A RACE OF PEOPLE'.

Rather, ISLAM is a vicious and criminal ideology [by our laws], which fosters and encourages CRIMINAL INTENT [by our laws] against all non-moslems.

Penny Wong, for you to publicly argue, and present the proposition,
that any opposition to the presence of ISLAM [in Australia] is an issue of 'racism', simply shows how ignorant and bigoted you yourself are.
[i.e. YOUR POSITION, in refusing to examine the arguments and the evidences, which clearly prove that ISLAM and the determined intentions of ISLAM's followers,
are incompatible with any open, pluralistic society.]

THIS ISSUE, IS ABOUT, IT SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT.....
It is about Australians, it is about Australian society, and OUR [unquestioning] tolerance and OUR [unquestioning] acceptance,
of a group of people, who    demonstrate    through their own embrace, of their 'faith', ISLAM, that they fully accept and promote [among themselves] their right [in their ISLAMIC law] to oppress, to intimidate and to murder all others [all 'outsiders', all 'disbelievers'] who are not of their 'faith'.

THE SOLUTION, WHICH WE OUGHT TO BE PREPARED TO GRASP HOLD OF.....
We Australians should have the courage and good sense,    to condemn them, moslems, the followers of ISLAM.

We Australians should have the courage and good sense,    to declare that we, Australians, do not want moslems, the followers of ISLAM, to be allowed to live among us.

And we Australians should condemn all those persons who seek to promote and to defend [through a misplaced sense of [unquestioning] 'tolerance' and [unquestioning] 'acceptance' of] those who are the followers of ISLAM.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by gandalf on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:13pm

All muslims are lazy
All muslims are liars
All muslims are wannabe psychopaths
All muslims are retarded due to inbreeding

BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH SAYING THAT BECAUSE ISLAM IS NOT A RACE! SO THERE!!

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Aussie on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:17pm

Why give Annings racist bigotry the gravity of even discussing it?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Rhino on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:22pm

He had a good point.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bias_2012 on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:34pm

It seems the bastion of free speech is full of sooks

I admire any politician who expresses the view that a divisive issue should be decided by "popular vote" (as Anning did) or referendum

Let the people decide on a range of questions about immigration and not let the current bipartisan policy remain locked up in the Labor/Liberal political vault

Denying democracy on the immigration issue is the same as denying democracy on any other issue. We've had plenty to say on other divisive issues, why not a say on immigration? Only anti-free speech sooks would disallow that say

There are sub-issues within the immigration issue that have nothing to to with race, and need to be addressed and addressed thoroughly, for example: rural and regional towns and cities are totally not ready for mass immigration or even moderate immigration influxes. But I will say that every rural city has a Centerlink office, however, Centerlink is a negative influence on an immigrant population that is supposed to be "contributing" to society. The bush needs jobs before it can support any more people, and not all those jobs can be in takeaway food shops

There is also the sudden shock of multiculturalism with all it's implications suddenly descending on the predominately traditional Anglo population in the bush, and while many a resident supports multiculturalism, they have yet to witness what it's all about, especially if it begins to overtake them and they start to step back from it. Of course then, the Lib Lab dictators will pipe up and say "you've just got to cop it on the chin, it's our bipartisan policy and nothing you say will change it"

A modicum of democracy is needed

The National Party could care less so we need people who look at it all objectively. Drop all the clichés about immigration and get on with the job of addressing the real issues

My "final solution" for the bush would be addressing the jobs issue to avoid Centerlink layabouts and cheats. Minimize multiculturalism so it doesn't become divisive, teach new immigrants all aspects of living in the bush (there are often hardships to overcome much different to city life). To have respect for farmers who supply the nations food. Respect for multi generational residents and families who've known nothing but the bush and it's natural adversaries that they must contend with throughout their lives. This of course includes the Aboriginal people, I would ensure that new immigrants to rural locations were taught that Aboriginals are trying to live in a modern society, and any racism towards them would in no way be tolerated, especially any racism coming from immigrants of colour. Conversely, there must be no incitement of any kind of violence, emotional or physical, by foreign indigenous people joined by the Aboriginal people after possibly saying "We are black brothers". If you think that can't happen .... well, just hope it doesn't

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by philperth2010 on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:42pm

When you start lumping people into the same cart because they share one characteristic, lets say all Christians are pedophiles for instance, your pathetic argument is shown for the bullshit it is....Claiming it is not racism because Islam is not a race does not excuse bigotry and hatred....Every person should be treated as an individual and only be condemned for the crimes they commit....Bigots are so stupid???

:) :) :)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by philperth2010 on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:44pm

rhino wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:22pm:

He had a good point.

What was that???

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by philperth2010 on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:46pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 10:31am:

So Penny Wong is a bigot for condemning one individual about divisive comments he made but Anning is not because he made a generalization about a whole group of people he does not know or understand....F@#k off you idiot???

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Dnarever on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:48pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:34pm:

Let the people decide on a range of questions about immigration

Bu tit isn't about race ? It is access by race which is controlled by immigration and the primary contention here is that bigotry against Islam isn't a matter of racism.

Just a coincidence that the same people who say it isn't about race also say that the solution is to block access to certain races ? Go Figure ???

In Fact this is the Trump solution to Islam - block a selected group of races from entering.

If it isn't about race then how can Migration be relevant ?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Rhino on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:53pm

Islam isnt a race, its a culture and a religion but not a race.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Rhino on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:56pm

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

different cultures have different characteristics and values. As an example, we know that the Islamic culture treats females as inferior, why would we import people from a culture which has values directly antagonistic to ours? Doesnt make sense.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:59pm

Being wrong and bigoted appears to be genetic for Yadda.

Yadda is a hate propagator.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Gordon on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:25pm

Why does Penny defend Muslims? If she lived in moderate Malaysia she'd be whipped.

Outcry in Malaysia over two women sentenced to caning for lesbian sex

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-lgbt/outcry-in-malaysia-over-two-women-sentenced-to-caning-for-lesbian-sex-idUSKBN1KZ1EE

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:30pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:25pm:

Gordon you are Wong-headed.

Stick to your lodging expertise and husbandry of travel-worn old goats.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Gordon on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:39pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:30pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:25pm:

Gordon you are Wong-headed.

Stick to your lodging expertise and husbandry of travel-worn old goats.

Do you have anything to actually say about muslims caning lesbians in Malaysia or are you just going to post crap as usual?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Valkie on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:42pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:25pm:

And herein lies the stupidity of the apologists and trolls.

Many of the trolls and apologists in this forum profess to be gay, homosexual or weird in all manner of ways.
It shows in their ridiculous one line stupidity.

Now
If they manage to apologise enough that the weird and sociopathic CULT OF DEATH gets a hold
They will find themselves targeted for being gay, lesbian or just plain weird.

Is it that they want to be murdered?
Is it that they want to be beaten or whipped?
Is it that they are too stupid to see what they are defending?

Or are they simply trolls looking for some argument?

The DEATH CULT has no problem with torture, murder, rape, paedophilia or genocide
They do it every single day.

And if there isn't someone else to target, they simply kill each other.

What a sad, twisted. And sick CULT it is
And what sad, twisted and sick apologists are

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Gordon on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:46pm

Valkie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:25pm:

And odds are we all have a gay or lesbian friend, uncle, aunt, niece or nephew grandson or daughter we care about.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bam on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:55pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:25pm:

She doesn't live in Malaysia so your point is irrelevant.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Aussie on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:56pm

Valkie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:25pm:

Oh dear, the holier than thou hypocrites have a lot to say, yet they said nothing about homosexual behaviour being a crime until recently in Australia, and for which people were punished.

What are you whinging about? The crime or the sentence?

From what I have seen, six 'lashes' (given the way they do it) with a rattan rod is like being whacked with a wet lettuce.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:57pm

Gordon, the old goat from hell, Valkie, is bleating pitifully and needs Gordon's animal husbandry skills.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Gordon on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:06pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:56pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 3:25pm:

Do you think it's worse than being pinned up against a tree?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:13pm:

Soooo who says and believes that eh Gandalf.
You cant call it racism if it isn't and be considered credible. ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bias_2012 on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

Because a non discrimination mass immigration policy causes more problems than it solves in Australia. To make it worse, it's a bipartisan policy, no correspondence will be entered into

All the conflict, real and political, may not have occurred if more discussion and a more democratic position had been taken in the first place back in the 1970s, instead, the Libs and Labs alone just shook hands on it ... who do they think they are? when they ignore the say of millions of other Australians, including the Aboriginal population

Perceived bigotry and racism are only in the minds of those who have political advantage over the rest of the population. Political advantage that mostly consists of clichés and threats ... that's a great way to conduct democracy? let me tell you, it's not

The bipartisan policies between the Libs and Labs will be the downfall of those parties, simply because they have become dictatorial. They are not open minded, their minds are closed, like all other dictators

On Islam, Gandalf could at least have the decency of a long time poster and status of moderator, to give his opinion on this issue I first asked about nearly a year ago ...

Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
• Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)

Core of Islamic Law or Shariah
The core of Islamic Law is preservation of:
1)    Religion
2)    Life
3)    Family
4)    Mind
5)    Wealth
6)    Some contemporary scholars suggest either justice or liberty to be the sixth category.

Which do you think the contemporary scholars should choose Gandalf, Sharia or liberty? Which would you like more than the other? remembering that you can't have both if the scholars decide on one, Islam won't allow it unless reformation is the order of the day

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:10pm

I used to like Penny a lot, I'd even have welcomed her to lead the ALP. But these days probably since Bill took over she's simply lost the plot. SSM... lost the plot. Fraser Anning... lost the plot.

Bring back the good old, intelligent, logical, calm and wellspoken Penny.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Gordon on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:12pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:10pm:

I also don't mind Penny on a lot of matters, but I reckon when it comes to Islam she's either lying or suffers from moral confusion.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:45pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:10pm:

I also don't mind Penny on a lot of matters, but I reckon when it comes to Islam she's either lying or suffers from moral confusion.

May I propose that Penny Wong is right and Gordon is wrong-headed?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by tickleandrose on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:59pm

This is the conclusion of Senator Anning's maiden speech:

"Now, on the brink of irreversible change, it is time for us to decide whether we as a people will rise up against this, hold fast to the crimson threads of kinship that define and unite us and strive once more for the light on the hill or concede the field to enemies of Western civilization and see all that we were and all that we might yet have become fall away to ruin."

Now, if you just chnage the word Western Civilization to say.... Kim Jong Un, it would make a rather nice end to a North Korea propaganda ad.

Just remember this. A good politician with good policies and ideas will never resort to populist lies.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bias_2012 on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:09pm

Penny Wong is of Asian appearance and a member of the obsolete Labor party so her ravings are predictable, she's said it all before, like a broken record she is. Both Libs and Labs are broken records, same things over and over again

What we need for the future is democratic people with fresh ideas devoid of ancient Lib Lab bipartisan policies

Fresh ideas that everyone can consensually agree on, with some give and take, even if that means some ideas will be a little irksome, but not blatantly dictatorial, we don't need that for the future

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Yadda on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:10pm

In response to rebukes in this thread by...

gandalf
philperth2010
Unforgiven

You have all rebuked me.
But not one of you seems willing to lay at the door of ISLAM, any guilt at all, for all of the rapes, and violence and murders [visited upon non-moslems],
which the doctrines of ISLAM make lawful and encourage.

Violence visited upon non-moslems, simply because those victims were non-moslems, and because the moslems found an 'opportune' moment,
to rape or to slaughter them.

gandalf in rebuke, stated....

Quote:

All muslims are wannabe psychopaths

YES....
Every moslem in Australia is a dangerous potential/latent psychopath.

Why so ?

Because by definition,    every person who self-declares/self-identifies, as a moslem,
is a follower of ISLAM.

And [reason dictates] that every moslem is a supporter of everything which,
1/ ISLAM and,    which 2/ ISLAMIC law endorses, promotes, and encourages.

e.g.
Mainstream ISLAMIC law    makes it lawful, and a virtuous religious act, for a follower of ISLAM to kill an enemy of Allah [i.e. a person who is disbeliever].

Koran 9.29, Koran 9.123, Koran 9.111

Q.
But what about all of the innocent moslems ?

Reason dictates,    that a person, would never assert and insist,
that he is a follower of ISLAM, unless he supported what ISLAM openly teaches and openly promotes.

The prophet of ISLAM,    Mohammed himself,    said after her death that slitting the throat of a critic of ISLAM is....

"as meaningless as two goats butting heads".....
Google it

SUPPORTING ARGUMENT WITH EVIDENCES......

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1533155075/3#3

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"
- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.

They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:28pm

Yadda's mind is poisoned by hate.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Gayly bobbing on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:34pm

Certainly is!

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bias_2012 on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:39pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:28pm:

Yadda's mind is poisoned by hate.

Kettle calling pot black

There's vitriolic hate in a few of your posts lately in other threads

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Valkie on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:53pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:28pm:

Yadda's mind is poisoned by hate.

Nowhere near as much as every single muzzos freak

But if he was a total deadbeat, with a IQ lower than a bumble bee and he liked murdering people
He could be a muzzo or possibly a freakish troll.

But he has an IQ well above any muzzos
He isn't a deadbeat
And I assume he doesn't like murdering people.

So his dislike of muzzos is just plain common sense
Something you would have no idea about.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 6:36pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:28pm:

Yadda's mind is poisoned by hate.

Indeed.

No education.

Never travelled.

Racist.

Islamophobic.

Irrational.

Unreasonable.

Lower than average IQ.

A dangerous combination, yet quite common here.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 6:41pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 4:10pm:

I also don't mind Penny on a lot of matters, but I reckon when it comes to Islam she's either lying or suffers from moral confusion.

May I propose that Penny Wong is right and Gordon is wrong-headed?

You may... but you'd be WRONG-HEADED AND DEVOID OF TRUTH... :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by xeej on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 6:56pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 10:31am:

Never get up in parliament and question immigration, especially Muslim immigration, the bipartisan gang headed up by the most politically correct politician we have, Penny Wong, (I stand to be corrected on that ) will set upon you like a pack of junk yard dogs. Why.
The people need a say on this issue.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Dnarever on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:06pm

rhino wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:53pm:

Islam isn't a race, its a culture and a religion but not a race.

You are correct but if that is correct why is racist policy the solution ?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:09pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:53pm:

Islam isn't a race, its a culture and a religion but not a race.

You are correct but if that is correct why is racist policy the solution ?

What racist policy?
How is it racist to stop muslim immigration if islam is not a race?
YOU are sounding very confused even for a LW Prog. ::)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:14pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:53pm:

Islam isn't a race, its a culture and a religion but not a race.

You are correct but if that is correct why is racist policy the solution ?

What racist policy?
How is it racist to stop muslim immigration if islam is not a race?
YOU are sounding very confused even for a LW Prog. ::)

Muslims Aren’t A Race, So I Can’t Be Racist, Right? Wrong.

"Ultimately, the issue here is “racism without race,” as sociologist Eduardo Bonilla-Silva calls it. The more we assume that race is limited to skin color, the less we understand about contemporary racism faced by Muslims at home and abroad. Now is the time to teach youth that racism is much more than the white-black dichotomy. Racism is changing in its form, but the beast is still very much alive and well."

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:16pm

Typical LW Prog radicalism... change the meaning of words... to suit their arguments.....

You try that on don't you gweggy.... how's that working out for you :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:17pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:16pm:

"Ultimately, the issue here is “racism without race,” as sociologist Eduardo Bonilla-Silva calls it. The more we assume that race is limited to skin color, the less we understand about contemporary racism faced by Muslims at home and abroad. Now is the time to teach youth that racism is much more than the white-black dichotomy. Racism is changing in its form, but the beast is still very much alive and well."

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Frank on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:23pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:28pm:

Yadda's mind is poisoned by hate.

:o :o
Look at you, completely discombobulated looney and hater of everything white and especially British.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Yadda on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 11:47pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:28pm:

Yadda's mind is poisoned by hate.

If that is true,    it is because Yadda has been exposed
to what moslems everywhere,    are doing and saying.

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IMAGE...

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,    TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Quote:

"You're never too young to be a homicidal maniac for Allah!"

- 'Aussie' moslem child, being taught 'how to practice ISLAM', in Australia.

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Muslims brainwash children in Australia -------- > goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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And if you would believe people like Unforgettable,
it is Yadda who caused this hateful attitude in local moslems.

:D

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IMAGE....

"Behead all those who insult the Prophet"

The result of children, being under the influence of 'Aussie' moslems - Sydney, 2012

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And this one.

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IMAGE...

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic street protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

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And it was Yadda who caused this hateful incident to occur.

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IMAGE.....

Melbourne, 6 Australians dead.

An atrocity, committed by a 'Greek' person claiming that...

"Muslim faith is the correct faith according to the whole world.....

And I am not guilty."

.....n.b. the moslem who did this, considers himself to be a virtuous person.

.

------- >

Quote:

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
01/05/2007

In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed:

"Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".

The article advised:

"The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.

There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims.

Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-part-of-Islam.html

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14

Quote:

'Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her'

QUESTION;
Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Secret Wars on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 11:51pm

Penny Wong lost all credibility with me when she stood up in Parliament and spoke against gay marriage and voted against it, she is a party machine animal, nothing more.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Rhino on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:08am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:53pm:

Islam isn't a race, its a culture and a religion but not a race.

You are correct but if that is correct why is racist policy the solution ?

I dont see anyone suggesting racist policy as a solution, including Trump.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Rhino on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:14pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:53pm:

Islam isn't a race, its a culture and a religion but not a race.

You are correct but if that is correct why is racist policy the solution ?

What racist policy?
How is it racist to stop muslim immigration if islam is not a race?
YOU are sounding very confused even for a LW Prog. ::)

Unfortunately his whole theory is built on the proposal that races dont exist, they do. Forensic pathologists would be out of a job if they didnt exist. They do and they arent.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:44am

Frank wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 5:28pm:

Yadda's mind is poisoned by hate.

:o :o
Look at you, completely discombobulated looney and hater of everything white and especially British.

You silly fool. You are looking at your image in a mirror.

You can't see me you dolt.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by xeej on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 1:19am

I am sure I have seen Penny in a lesbian porn movie on sbs sometime, she wasn't wearing trousers though.
Is Penny the most politically correct stooge of all time in Australian politics.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by juliar on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 5:23am

Wenny Pong wong? NEVER!! Just ask her!!! And the cuckoo Lefties ADORE HER AS THEIR QUEEN!!!

The premier exposer of Labor scandals Buzzfeed sums it up.

Even Pauline Hanson Was "Appalled" By This Politician Praising The White Australia Policy
It was "straight from Goebbels' handbook from Nazi Germany," Hanson said.

Josh Taylor BuzzFeed Senior Reporter, Australia Originally posted on August 15, 2018, at 11:51 a.m. Updated on August 15, 2018, at 3:33 p.m.

The Senate has condemned a speech by Katter's Australia Party senator Fraser Anning in which he praised the White Australia Policy and called for a "final solution" on immigration policy.

The motion, put by Labor's leader in the Senate Penny Wong, passed without need for a vote after senators from all parties condemned Anning's first speech in the Senate on Tuesday in which he called for a ban on Muslim immigration.

Read the full story here

https://www.buzzfeed.com/joshtaylor/penny-wong-bill-shorten-condemn-fraser-anning-speech?utm_term=.ackKVd1zB#.pdYAl7bRv

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by gandalf on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:11am

3 factual errors I found casually perusing Anning's transcript:

Quote:

First, 457 visas, which simply steal jobs from Australians, should be abolished unless expressly approved by the immigration minister.

457's have already been abolished. Its replacement stipulates specifically that vacancies can only be created where there are acute local skill shortages

Quote:

A majority of Muslims in Australia of working age do not work and live on welfare.

Even if the first claim is true (questionable - as he lifted this figure from a tabloid article written over 2 years ago), the second claim does not follow. Not all non-working Australians are eligible for welfare - for example if their spouses work, which is particularly relevant for muslims given that most of the non-working population is made up of women.

Quote:

We have black African Muslim gangs terrorising Melbourne.

The so-called "African gang problem" in Melbourne consists of South Sudanese descendants - the overwhelming majority of whom are christian/christian descent.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by LEFTWINGER on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:25am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

3 factual errors I found casually perusing Anning's transcript:

Quote:

First, 457 visas, which simply steal jobs from Australians, should be abolished unless expressly approved by the immigration minister.

457's have already been abolished. Its replacement stipulates specifically that vacancies can only be created where there are acute local skill shortages

[quote]A majority of Muslims in Australia of working age do not work and live on welfare.

We have black African Muslim gangs terrorising Melbourne.

The so-called "African gang problem" in Melbourne consists of South Sudanese descendants - the overwhelming [highlight]majority of whom are christian/christian descent.[/highlight][/quote]

Brace yourself for rtard logic

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by gandalf on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:28am

wait, didn't Anning say we should be letting in more christians? ::)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by philperth2010 on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:29am

We have a problem with Muslim extremists because we invaded their country based on bullshit and killed their innocent children....Do we expect Muslims to just accept our aggression and murder of innocent people without retaliation....It was the right wing nut jobs who created this problem and they are the one's who refuse to accept their own complicity....Ass holes like Anning and Katter want to escalate the problem for domestic political gain with no regard for the consequences....We need to get out of these illegal wars and stop supporting those who lied to us!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Gordon on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:31am

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

Does Australia predate Islam?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by LEFTWINGER on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:32am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:28am:

wait, didn't Anning say we should be letting in more christians? ::)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Yadda on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 10:03am

Its time wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:25am:

Brace yourself for rtard logic

Political Leftist [and Penny's] definition of a 'Racist';

'Anyone whose worldview doesn't wholly align with my own views.'

TRUTH.....
Political Leftist [circa 2018] = = Political Fascist

......persons who are unwilling to even engage in open [public], reasoned debate, with those with whom they ideologically disagree.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by philperth2010 on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:00am

Gordon wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

Does Australia predate Islam?

Did you find the weapons of mass destruction that never existed you numpty....Or are you still fighting the crusades to justify your blind ignorance???

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:11am

Was Fraser Anning right on Muslim immigration to Australia?

SBS News has taken a closer look at what Senator Fraser Anning said during his divisive maiden speech in the Senate on Tuesday. Here's what the stats say.

"Australia currently has the highest per capita immigration rate in the world": Senator Anning.

True or false?

Overseas migration accounts for an estimated 62 per cent of population growth in Australia, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

ABS data shows Australia's net immigration rose 27 per cent in the year to June 30, 2017, compared with the previous year. Migration grew by 31 per cent in New South Wales and 23 per cent in Victoria.

The newest overseas migrants are most likely to be from China, which accounts for around 16 per cent of new arrivals, and now 2.2 per cent of Australia's population. Its proportion of Indians and Filipinos is also on the up (the percentage of those born in the UK and New Zealand, by contrast, is decreasing).

According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), Australia has the fastest population growth pace of any developed nation with an annual growth pace of 1.6 per cent.

That is more than double the annual population growth pace of the United States (0.7 per cent) and the U.K. (0.6 per cent), and above the expansion rate of The Philippines and Singapore (1.5 per cent).

According to Jock Collins, Professor of Social Economics at the UTS Business School - who has being doing work on Australian immigration for four decades - the claim by Senator Anning is false, but not too far from the truth.

"It's pretty close to it, I think New Zealand takes more than us just at the very moment, so New Zealand in fact [has] overtaken Australia in that regard," Professor Collins told SBS News on Wednesday.

"But it is true that certainly in the western world, we have one of highest relative immigration rates and in fact, if you look at immigrants as a proportion of the population there are only two countries in the OECD with a higher immigrant population and that's Switzerland and Luxembourg."

"Muslims in New South Wales and Victoria are three times more likely than other groups to be convicted of crimes": Senator Anning.

True or false?

There is no "reliable" data to support this claim by Senator Anning.

"The criminology data just doesn't support that nor has it supported that for a long time. The ethnic crime argument, let alone the Muslim crime argument just doesn't stack up in terms of the data," Professor Collins said.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics, the Australian Institute of Criminology and NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research (BOSCAR) all told SBS News they did not have data on the religious or cultural affiliations of offenders, only country of birth.

According to The Corrective Services NSW Offender Census, 21.4 per cent of full-time custody inmates were born overseas, 76.7 were Australian-born."

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/was-fraser-anning-right-on-muslim-immigration-to-australia

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:43am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:11am:

According to The Corrective Services NSW Offender Census, 21.4 per cent of full-time custody inmates were born overseas, 76.7 were Australian-born."

Over 28 % of Australians were born overseas while their criminality rate is 21.4%. That exemplifies that criminality is higher among Australian born than among migrants.

Let us not forget the first white settlers in Australia were criminals and their genes spread throughout their progeny.

The logical conclusion? To reduce the crime rate reduce Australian born percentage.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/lookup/3412.0Media%20Release12015-16

Quote:

Over 28 per cent of Australians born overseas - Australian Bureau of ...
www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/lookup/3412.0Media%20Release12015-16
Mar 30, 2017 - 3412.0 - Migration, Australia, 2015-16. The proportion of Australians born overseas continues to reach new heights, with over 28 per cent of Australia's population born overseas, according to figures released today by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bias_2012 on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:17pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:43am:

Over 28 % of Australians were born overseas while their criminality rate is 21.4%

Yes they are certainly model immigrants aren't they?

For every hundred serious crimes committed, they carry out 21 of them. Making a contribution to society has taken a new twist

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Raven on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm

Let’s fact-check Fraser Anning’s speech. Muslims have been in Australia since before federation.

There is evidence Muslims from south-east Asia traded with Indigenous people as far back as the 1600s.

If you want to talk nation building, their camel trains helped map out trading routes and then, actual train routes for this nation.

There has been a steady stream of migration from largely Muslim nations, since the 1800s, including from Lebanon, where Fraser Anning’s party leader Bob Katter’s family hails from.

Oh, and that is before we even consider that one of our largest trading partners, Indonesia, who are very, very fond of the products of our farmers, which Anning wants to support and protect, also happens to have the largest Muslim population in the world.

We could go on but we really don’t have to. Because it has been debunked. So many times. And we still have a representative of this nation’s parliament, standing in our house, not only calling for a ban of all Muslim immigration, but a plebiscite on non-European migration, because Whitlam never asked you if it was OK.

And he did it while invoking the term, “the final solution”.

Last month marked the 77th anniversary since Nazi leader Hermann Goering gave the order to SS General Reinhard Heydrich to enact the “final solution”.

We all know how that ended. We all know what that phrase refers to. And it was just used in our parliament by someone who now claims that any sinister meaning taken from his use of that phrase is “simply ridiculous”.

If you are not up in arms about that, or demanding that your political representatives are up in arms about that, then that’s exactly the reason someone just stood in this building and used the language the Nazi party used to order the murder of millions of Jews, homosexuals, migrants, and dissenters.

The standard you walk past is absolutely the standard you accept.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:24pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:17pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:43am:

Over 28 % of Australians were born overseas while their criminality rate is 21.4%

Yes they are certainly model immigrants aren't they?

For every hundred serious crimes committed, they carry out 21 of them. Making a contribution to society has taken a new twist

ON the other hand that does mean 72% of Australians commit 79% of the crime.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bias_2012 on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:37pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:24pm:

ON the other hand that does mean 72% of Australians commit 79% of the crime.

You don't say!

And how many of those "Australians" belong to immigrant families who arrived in the 70s-80s and had children here?

How many are ethnic and not Anglo Aussie?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:47pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:24pm:

ON the other hand that does mean 72% of Australians commit 79% of the crime.

You don't say!

And how many of those "Australians" belong to immigrant families who arrived in the 70s-80s and had children here?

How many are ethnic and not Anglo Aussie?

You are clutching at straws in your bigot closet.

Evidently, you are a closet pom.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bias_2012 on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:52pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:47pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:24pm:

ON the other hand that does mean 72% of Australians commit 79% of the crime.

You don't say!

And how many of those "Australians" belong to immigrant families who arrived in the 70s-80s and had children here?

How many are ethnic and not Anglo Aussie?

You are clutching at straws in your bigot closet.

Evidently, you are a closet pom.

No, I'm of Irish descent you curry weirdo

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:53pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:24pm:

ON the other hand that does mean 72% of Australians commit 79% of the crime.

You don't say!

And how many of those "Australians" belong to immigrant families who arrived in the 70s-80s and had children here?

How many are ethnic and not Anglo Aussie?

Who knows or cares?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Bias_2012 on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:59pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:24pm:

ON the other hand that does mean 72% of Australians commit 79% of the crime.

You don't say!

And how many of those "Australians" belong to immigrant families who arrived in the 70s-80s and had children here?

How many are ethnic and not Anglo Aussie?

Who knows or cares?

The Federal Police

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 1:02pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:24pm:

ON the other hand that does mean 72% of Australians commit 79% of the crime.

You don't say!

And how many of those "Australians" belong to immigrant families who arrived in the 70s-80s and had children here?

How many are ethnic and not Anglo Aussie?

Who knows or cares?

The Federal Police

For what reason?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

LOL sorry but your "factual" points are funny...
BTW he never used or invoked the TERM "Final Solution" at all, he never used those words to describe Hitler's Final Solution nor was it related to Jews or Nazis... Only the Prog Left would even think that. ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Aussie on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:34pm

He said:

Quote:

Finally, it should go without saying that, as a nation, we are entitled to require that those who come here not only have useful work skills and qualifications but also the commitment to work and pay taxes. In truth, it appears that many of those who claim to be asylum seekers are actually just welfare seekers who only come to Australia to live on welfare in public housing at the expense of working Australians. In the days of Menzies, immigrants arriving here were not allowed to apply for welfare and that attracted exactly the right sort of hard-working people this country needed. We should go back to that and ban all immigrants receiving welfare for the first five years after they arrive. The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote. We don't need a plebiscite to cut immigration numbers; we just need a government that is willing to institute a sustainable population policy, end Australian-job-stealing 457 visas and make student visas conditional on foreign students returning to the country they came from.

There are many ways to make the point (of going to a plebiscite) without using that expression even a dribbling imbecile associates with the Holocaust.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:59pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

Do we have a Nazi sympathiser amongst us?

Not related to Nazis or Jews?

Lol

The complete name was the "Final Solution to the Jewish Question", and it was formulated by the Nazi leadership in 1942 at the Wannsee Conference.

They never used those words?

Well, technically they used these words:

"die Endlösung der Judenfrage".

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by buzzanddidj on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 5:51pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 10:31am:

That is a very tired old argument - used by the vile face of Australian racism and bigotry

"Racism" has for a long time used and accepted to describe an illogical hatred of any race, faith or culture

Personally, I'd have gone with "Aryan Neo-Nazi" or simply "white supremist"
I was pleased to see Wong had strong bi-partisan support from the rest of our parliament
"Crazy" Bob Katter being Anning's only supporter

Even Hanson condemned the "Hitleresque" address
That says quite a lot

Aside from preferences, Anning was elected with 19 (nineteen) primary votes* - to collect $1.6 MILLION (plus expenses) - courtesy of the Australian taxpayer

* I'm wondering if two of those nineteen Neo-Nazi supporters were juliar & yadda

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Gayly bobbing on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 6:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

3 factual errors I found casually perusing Anning's transcript:

Quote:

First, 457 visas, which simply steal jobs from Australians, should be abolished unless expressly approved by the immigration minister.

We have black African Muslim gangs terrorising Melbourne.

The so-called "African gang problem" in Melbourne consists of South Sudanese descendants - the overwhelming majority of whom are christian/christian descent.[/quote]
mothra asked me to add this:

Quote:

Was Fraser Anning right on Muslim immigration to Australia?

SBS News has taken a closer look at what Senator Fraser Anning said during his divisive maiden speech in the Senate on Tuesday. Here's what the stats say.

"Australia currently has the highest per capita immigration rate in the world": Senator Anning.

True or false?

Overseas migration accounts for an estimated 62 per cent of population growth in Australia, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

ABS data shows Australia's net immigration rose 27 per cent in the year to June 30, 2017, compared with the previous year. Migration grew by 31 per cent in New South Wales and 23 per cent in Victoria.

The newest overseas migrants are most likely to be from China, which accounts for around 16 per cent of new arrivals, and now 2.2 per cent of Australia's population. Its proportion of Indians and Filipinos is also on the up (the percentage of those born in the UK and New Zealand, by contrast, is decreasing).

According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), Australia has the fastest population growth pace of any developed nation with an annual growth pace of 1.6 per cent.

That is more than double the annual population growth pace of the United States (0.7 per cent) and the U.K. (0.6 per cent), and above the expansion rate of The Philippines and Singapore (1.5 per cent).

According to Jock Collins, Professor of Social Economics at the UTS Business School - who has being doing work on Australian immigration for four decades - the claim by Senator Anning is false, but not too far from the truth.

"It's pretty close to it, I think New Zealand takes more than us just at the very moment, so New Zealand in fact [has] overtaken Australia in that regard," Professor Collins told SBS News on Wednesday.

"But it is true that certainly in the western world, we have one of highest relative immigration rates and in fact, if you look at immigrants as a proportion of the population there are only two countries in the OECD with a higher immigrant population and that's Switzerland and Luxembourg."

"Muslims in New South Wales and Victoria are three times more likely than other groups to be convicted of crimes": Senator Anning.

True or false?

There is no "reliable" data to support this claim by Senator Anning.

"The criminology data just doesn't support that nor has it supported that for a long time. The ethnic crime argument, let alone the Muslim crime argument just doesn't stack up in terms of the data," Professor Collins said.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics, the Australian Institute of Criminology and NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research (BOSCAR) all told SBS News they did not have data on the religious or cultural affiliations of offenders, only country of birth.

According to The Corrective Services NSW Offender Census, 21.4 per cent of full-time custody inmates were born overseas, 76.7 were Australian-born.

"457 visas, which simply steal jobs from Australians": Senator Anning

True or false?

This is factually inaccurate because the 457 visa no longer exists.

The 457 visa was a common visa for Australian or overseas employers to sponsor skilled overseas workers to work temporarily in Australia but in April 2017 the Turnbull government announced that the Temporary Work (Skilled) visa (subclass 457 visa) would be abolished and replaced with the completely new Temporary Skill Shortage (TSS) visa in March 2018.

Professor Collins says the TSS is a "demand-driven" visa that employers access because they can't find local workers.

"It is true that there has been some exploitation of that system by employers and indeed there have been a number of cases where temporary migrant workers under the 457 have been exploited and haven't been paid adequate wages, so there is some evidence of that particular program having compliance issues, so that's true," Professor Collins said.

cont’d.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Gayly bobbing on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 6:56pm

Quote:

"But the issue of taking jobs from Australians, that's one that's much harder to substantiate in the evidence, because a lot of the jobs say in regional and rural Australia, no one is doing those jobs; basically if the farmers don't get the temporary migrant workers they're not getting the jobs done, there's no Australian workers who want those jobs," he said.

"In fact, you can argue there is good data that shows immigration generate more jobs for other people."

Some migrants in Australia are still working on the 457 visa though, if granted before the March 2018 change.

"A majority of Muslims in Australia of working age do not work and live on welfare": Senator Anning.

True or false?

ABS data released in 2017 showed Middle Eastern migrants were having more trouble finding jobs than other immigrants, but it was not broken down by religion.

Among Middle Eastern migrants, the unemployment rate was at 17.5 per cent. This compares to 3.6 per cent for southeast Asian migrants, and 1.9 per cent for those from southern and eastern Europe.

"There is some evidence that countries with high Muslim populations can have a higher unemployment rate than average, [but] even if you concede that, the question is, why is that the case?"

"The Muslim refugee families that I have talked to a lot recently, the men are dying to work, they hate sitting around, they want to contribute to the country, they hate being on welfare. The fact that they can't find a job distresses them greatly," he said.

"So in a sense, you can have a high rate of Muslim unemployment without accepting the argument they're 'bludgers', they really want to work."

The data shows the rate of unemployment among refugees is much higher than average.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/was-fraser-anning-right-on-muslim-immigration-to-australia

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Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Frank on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 8:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:13pm:

It may be wrong to say those things but it is NOT RACIST to say them. If they are wrong, they are wrong for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do witn race.

Think harder, think better. We know that a big ask but do try.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 8:36pm

Frank wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 8:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15^th, 2018 at 2:13pm:

Ah.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

yes gweggy good point.
And he never used those words either.
This is an enormous beat-up and pile on.
YOU are part of it as is that idiot Aussie, you understand though the reasoning but are just dishonest, he I doubt understands anything.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:20pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

He used the term "final solution".

This isn't even in dispute.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by juliar on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 2:05am

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. But then the Lefties find this sort of trivial thing quite challenging.

No surprise they find the real issues quite baffling and too hard to understand.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Valkie on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 6:07am

Two words
Not even contextually speaking.

Should we all go through every speech despots give and ban words?
john howard alone could cripple the English language, although his speaking ability barely reached infant moron level.

So quickly the loony left jump on anything to stifle true debate, free speech.
And out politicians all jump on the bandwagon to appear as if the support the loony left and PC freaks.

Much as they did with the SSM exercise, they have further destroyed logic and humanity with this little exercise in lies.

By stifling true debate,
By refusing to allow required discussion and examination of a worldwide problem
They have simply driven that problem further underground

They say they fear a religious war
We already have a war, the DEATH CULT vs humanity

These stupid politicians with this little example of idiocy
Have only proven once again that they are cowards looking for ways and means to make a mockery of the statement " serving the people"

They try to prove bipartisanship though instant and enthusiastic agreement on some subject that
1) won't cost them anything
2) that satisfies the loony left
3) satisfies their Muslim masters in the UN
4) they think they can make something out of

The only true bipartisan agreement these parasitical politicians truly agree on
Is pay and benefit rises for themselves
Anything else is simply lies, deceit, and bull white.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Frank on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 8:39am

The Mathematics faculty of UCLA Berkeley is ALSO Nazi, don't you know: Practice Final Solution, MATH 54, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations, Fall 2014

As Grendel says, this is an enormous beat up and pile on about nothing. Everyone is virtue-signalling furiously just because he mentioned Muslims. Here's a chance for cheap moral preening and so they all jump on the opportunity.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 8:45am

Frank wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 8:39am:

Do you understand what 'context' means?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by philperth2010 on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 9:07am

juliar wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 2:05am:

Yet the Coalition and almost every politician in Canberra slammed the racist dickhead for his comments....So either every politician in Canberra is a leftie or you have no f@#king idea....For once the politicians stood in solidarity to condemn this dickhead and you claim it is nothing but a beat up....You stand alone with Anning as a complete out of touch ass hole of the lowest order....Well done!!!

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Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 10:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

He used the term "final solution".

This isn't even in dispute.

No he didn't certainly not in the way you dishonestly infer.

He made a correct use of English and used 2 words... final and solution, now considering previously in his speech he cited several solutions and the immigration solution was the last mentioned... or as we would all call it the final solution.

Now run back to your bridge. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 10:16pm

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 9:07am:

juliar wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 2:05am:

You got it arse about there as usual Phil, the lying dishonest dickheads are those involved in the pile-on. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Raven on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 1:53am

Grendel wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 10:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

He used the term "final solution".

This isn't even in dispute.

You know what you’re absolutely right. Katter reckons the blokes lack of “formal” education means he would have had “absolutely no idea” the term was used by the nazis. Evidently Anning has been spending his life living in a cave with his eyes closed and his fingers in his ears.

Mind you, you gotta be doing something special when even Pauline Hanson is saying his speech was “straight from the Goebbels’ handbook from Nazi Germany”.

In all seriousness Grendel, even you have to admit his choice of words were at the very least poorly conceived or even worse disingenuous. Especially considering the recording that’s come to light of former Queensland One Nation president Jim Savage telling an unidentified person that he and others had told Anning months ago to “say something really controversial, really hit that nerve” to draw attention to his first speech.

“We told Fraser months ago, we had a meeting with him... we said... when you make your maiden speech Fraser, you gotta get up there and say something really controversial,” says Savage in the recording.

“Hit that f**king nerve, otherwise you’ll be forgotten, no one will know who you are. We told him to do that, and that’s exactly what he did.

“He’s out there on TV this morning - I gotta let him know... hold your f**king nerve... don’t start apologisng and say, ‘Oh yeah, I shouldn’t have done that’ - hold your f**king nerve.”

If true Anning is nothing more than a political whore. He’ll fit right in the 45th Parliament.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 10:48am

Grendel wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 10:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

He used the term "final solution".

This isn't even in dispute.

Oh, yes he did.

Apologist.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by philperth2010 on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 12:07pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 10:16pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 9:07am:

juliar wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 2:05am:

You got it arse about there as usual Phil, the lying dishonest dickheads are those involved in the pile-on. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

You support a white Australia policy and a ban on Muslim immigration....Puts you in the right wing minority mate....Looks like Juliar has someone who agrees with it???

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Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by buzzanddidj on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 4:59pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 10:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

He used the term "final solution".

This isn't even in dispute.

Oh, PLEASE - give us a BREAK !

Even "Crazy" Bob Katter best described the latest edition to his "party" as an uneducated simpleton and career ditch-digger

(though with Katter as the control hampster, this is a bit of worry)

It's GREATER worry having someone with a barely primary school grasp of 20th century history - including WW2 - should be sitting on the balance of power cross benches in the Senate

My hunch is he knew EXACTLY what he was doing with his "Final Solution" maiden speech - instead of using something like "option C"

It's quite noteworthy that his speechwriter (who was never consulted) has resigned in utter disgust

The only thing missing was a fake Hitler moustache - but of course such props are banned in both houses

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by xeej on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 5:06pm

I would like to give it to Penny.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 8:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 10:48am:

Grendel wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 10:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

He used the term "final solution".

This isn't even in dispute.

Oh, yes he did.

Apologist.

oh no he didn't... TROLL...

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Rhino on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 8:44pm

if he did use the term deliberately then no one has queried his motive. Did he expect anything other than widespread condemnation? Personally i think hes just an idiot who did not use the term deliberately, mainly because he had zero to gain from doing so and a lot to lose.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Raven on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 9:01pm

rhino wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:

Raven’s previous post may shine light on any motive, if what Anning said was deliberate.

Raven wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 1:53am:

Especially considering the recording that’s come to light of former Queensland One Nation president Jim Savage telling an unidentified person that he and others had told Anning months ago to “say something really controversial, really hit that nerve” to draw attention to his first speech.

“We told Fraser months ago, we had a meeting with him... we said... when you make your maiden speech Fraser, you gotta get up there and say something really controversial,” says Savage in the recording.

“Hit that f**king nerve, otherwise you’ll be forgotten, no one will know who you are. We told him to do that, and that’s exactly what he did.

“He’s out there on TV this morning - I gotta let him know... hold your f**king nerve... don’t start apologisng and say, ‘Oh yeah, I shouldn’t have done that’ - hold your f**king nerve.”

The question is does he want to known as an ignoramus, or a troll who only wanted to hit a nerve.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Raven on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 9:03pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 10:48am:

Grendel wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 10:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

He used the term "final solution".

This isn't even in dispute.

Oh, yes he did.

Apologist.

oh no he didn't... TROLL...

Are you saying he didn’t use the term final solution all?

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 11:34am

rhino wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:

Personally I don't think anyone who uses the English language correctly is an idiot.

Those who lie and choose to be part of the pile-on are indeed idiots in my opinion.

BTW they aint foolin anyone, just read the comments columns in most of the newspapers... the majority clearly see it for what it is... a beat-up. ::)

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 11:40am

Raven wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 9:03pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 18^th, 2018 at 10:48am:

Grendel wrote on Aug 17^th, 2018 at 10:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 11:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Raven wrote on Aug 16^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

He used the term "final solution".

This isn't even in dispute.

Oh, yes he did.

Apologist.

oh no he didn't... TROLL...

Are you saying he didn’t use the term final solution all?

Yes he didn't use THE TERM at all... he used the words: final and solution.
He made a first solution, then more solutions then a final solution. If you actually heard his speech of read the text you'd know that.

He said the final solution btw not The Final Solution...

This is just another pile-on like Labor did to Hanson originally in an effort to hurt Howard, only this one is both sides of parliament because, 1/ they don't want to discuss immigration, 2/ they seek to harm Anning and silence him, 3/ they seek to harm the minor parties who disagree with them re immigration.

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by philperth2010 on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 11:47am

Using the term "Final Solution" in the context of a ban on Muslim immigration and a "White Australia" policy it evokes the the emotion of the "Holocaust" and was deliberate not an accident....When Anning evoked the term Final Solution against minorities the whole of Parliament rose and condemned the comments including Pauline Hanson and rightly so....Those defending Anning have no support in Federal Parliament or the majority of the population....You stand condemned on your own!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by Grendel on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 12:03pm

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 11:47am:

But he didn't do that Phil.
Do you even know what you are talking about?

BTW let me repeat if you read the comments in most major newspapers you will see the majority know its a pathetic pile-on.

It doesn't say Final Solution in the text of his speech Phil, so stop lying. You've been sucked in by lying progs from the PC brigade who cannot tolerate dissent on immigration. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

As for your condemnation, give it a break. :D :D :D

Title: Re: Penny Wong is wrong, and bigoted.
Post by philperth2010 on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 12:12pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 12:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2018 at 11:47am:

F@#k off!!!

Quote:

Fraser Anning, from the conservative Katter's Australian Party, called for migration bans on Muslims and others in his maiden Senate speech on Tuesday.

Political opponents denounced his speech as "disgraceful". Mr Anning said he did not need to apologise.

"Final solution" was a term infamously used by the Nazis during the Holocaust.

In his speech, Mr Anning said "the final solution to the immigration problem is a popular vote".

On Wednesday, lawmakers across the political divide moved to pass parliamentary motions censuring Mr Anning for his "racist hate speech", noting in particular his use of the phrase "final solution", and his "false, misleading and hurtful statements" about Muslim Australians and other immigrant groups.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said Mr Anning had made "a shocking insult to the memory" of those murdered in the Holocaust.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-45191315