Bye bye fossil fools ! See you later Saudis, Shell, BP, Mobil, Chevron..... Bye bye fools !

Don't you just love promises that are somewhere in the future?

lee wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 7:07pm:

Don't you just love promises that are somewhere in the future?

With 170,000 EV's on the road already and electrification of their ferries etc it looks like they are well on track to meet their goals ;)

And Australia is doing what ? :D LOL

Norway - about 1.5 times the size of Victoria. ;)

It's ok Lee we know u can never see anything positive, no mater what the News.
So in 7 years they want to get rid of petrol , thats pretty awesome, they have the same population as new Zealand.
Wow 1.5 times the size of Victoria , so that means at only 2/3 the size Victoria could go petrol free in 7 year's too.
That's a lot of boats from the Middle east we wouldn't need :)
A lot of asthma disappearing from Melbourne too.
;) ;)

Do they not have diesel trains, large trucks, heavy machinery or farms in Norway?

I guess the bigger question will be, will Norway stop gathering oil ? it's about the biggest money earner for them.
Be interesting to see.
hey nail, u got the link for this. Is it just petrol and not diesel or all FF's. Or just for domestic use ?
7 years does seam a bit ambitous, be interesting to see how it pans out. ;) ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 7:41am:

So in 7 years they want to get rid of petrol , thats pretty awesome, they have the same population as new Zealand.

That's not what he said. They will be out of petrol by 2025. ;)


DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 7:41am:

Wow 1.5 times the size of Victoria , so that means at only 2/3 the size Victoria could go petrol free in 7 year's too.

Yeah. Now extrapolate that out to the whole of Australia.


DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 7:41am:

A lot of asthma disappearing from Melbourne too.

Link please

lee wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 11:00am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 7:41am: So in 7 years they want to get rid of petrol , thats pretty awesome, they have the same population as new Zealand. That's not what he said. They will be out of petrol by 2025. ;) HAHA look at the title, where does he say they will be out anywhere on this thread Lee ? DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 7:41am: Wow 1.5 times the size of Victoria , so that means at only 2/3 the size Victoria could go petrol free in 7 year's too. Yeah. Now extrapolate that out to the whole of Australia. WHY DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 7:41am: A lot of asthma disappearing from Melbourne too. Link please really? so you r saying Fossil fuels r perfectly safe and don't cause respiratory problems......

boy Lee u really need to read stuff before u post..... ;) ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 7:41am:

It's ok Lee we know u can never see anything positive, no mater what the News. So in 7 years they want to get rid of petrol , thats pretty awesome, they have the same population as new Zealand. Wow 1.5 times the size of Victoria , so that means at only 2/3 the size Victoria could go petrol free in 7 year's too. That's a lot of boats from the Middle east we wouldn't need :) A lot of asthma disappearing from Melbourne too. ;) ;)

And never once do we hear from our polies about the issue of reducing GHG emissions from automobiles and trucks !! It just never gets a mention for some reason ! I wonder why ?

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 10:40am:

I guess the bigger question will be, will Norway stop gathering oil ? it's about the biggest money earner for them. Be interesting to see. hey nail, u got the link for this. Is it just petrol and not diesel or all FF's. Or just for domestic use ? 7 years does seam a bit ambitous, be interesting to see how it pans out. ;) ;)

It was something I heard on the news about an experimental electric plane in Norway and then they went onto say something about how they were going to stop selling petrol by 2025 ! But then they have had a massive electrification of their transport system over the years so I am not surprised by this early cut off date ;)

lee wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 11:00am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 7:41am: So in 7 years they want to get rid of petrol , thats pretty awesome, they have the same population as new Zealand. That's not what he said. They will be out of petrol by 2025. ;) DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 7:41am: Wow 1.5 times the size of Victoria , so that means at only 2/3 the size Victoria could go petrol free in 7 year's too. Yeah. Now extrapolate that out to the whole of Australia. DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 7:41am: A lot of asthma disappearing from Melbourne too. Link please

yeh tail pipe emissions are really really good for us all. Get some of them pipe emissions into ya man :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 12:18pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 10:40am: I guess the bigger question will be, will Norway stop gathering oil ? it's about the biggest money earner for them. Be interesting to see. hey nail, u got the link for this. Is it just petrol and not diesel or all FF's. Or just for domestic use ? 7 years does seam a bit ambitous, be interesting to see how it pans out. ;) ;) It was something I heard on the news about an experimental electric plane in Norway and then they went onto say something about how they were going to stop selling petrol by 2025 ! But then they have had a massive electrification of their transport system over the years so I am not surprised by this early cut off date ;)

ahh i'll look into it, Norway is already the highest Ev uptake on new cars ;) ;)

lee wrote on Jun 19^th, 2018 at 7:07pm:

Don't you just love promises that are somewhere in the future?

Like you and copper internet  ;D

What is Norway's main export?
The country is richly endowed with natural resources - petroleum, hydropower, fish, forests and minerals - and is highly dependent on its oil production and international oil prices. Only Saudi Arabia exports more oil than Norway. Norway imports more than half its food needs.


now theres a conundrum... ::)

40% of the countries exports are FOSSILFUEL  OIL...


maybe they can sell fish oil instead!

cods wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 11:20pm:

What is Norway's main export? The country is richly endowed with natural resources - petroleum, hydropower, fish, forests and minerals - and is highly dependent on its oil production and international oil prices. Only Saudi Arabia exports more oil than Norway. Norway imports more than half its food needs. now theres a conundrum... ::) 40% of the countries exports are FOSSILFUEL  OIL... maybe they can sell fish oil instead!

They also have a super profits tax and massive sovereign wealth fund to look after their citizens unlike Australia which just gives away all its resources to foreign pirates in exchange for some temporary employment opportunities :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 11:45pm:

cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 11:20pm: What is Norway's main export? The country is richly endowed with natural resources - petroleum, hydropower, fish, forests and minerals - and is highly dependent on its oil production and international oil prices. Only Saudi Arabia exports more oil than Norway. Norway imports more than half its food needs. now theres a conundrum... ::) 40% of the countries exports are FOSSILFUEL  OIL... maybe they can sell fish oil instead! They also have a super profits tax and massive sovereign wealth fund to look after their citizens unlike Australia which just gives away all its resources to foreign pirates in exchange for some temporary employment opportunities :(

.. and in exchange for some pissy royalties that only go far enough to pay the public servants who collect them and then disappear into State government coffers to be wasted on their pet wet dreams....

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 12:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 12:18pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 10:40am: I guess the bigger question will be, will Norway stop gathering oil ? it's about the biggest money earner for them. Be interesting to see. hey nail, u got the link for this. Is it just petrol and not diesel or all FF's. Or just for domestic use ? 7 years does seam a bit ambitous, be interesting to see how it pans out. ;) ;) It was something I heard on the news about an experimental electric plane in Norway and then they went onto say something about how they were going to stop selling petrol by 2025 ! But then they have had a massive electrification of their transport system over the years so I am not surprised by this early cut off date ;) ahh i'll look into it, Norway is already the highest Ev uptake on new cars ;) ;)

Checked into it, Norway will ban new Fossil fuel Vehicles' from being sold after 2025. They will still be selling fuel though for all the ones already there. ;) ;) ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 11:45pm:

They also have a super profits tax and massive sovereign wealth fund to look after their citizens unlike Australia which just gives away all its resources to foreign pirates in exchange for some temporary employment opportunities

Yeah and a 38.52% personal income tax rate plus a 4.4% Social Security rate. ;)
https://tradingeconomics.com/norway/personal-income-tax-rate

lee wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 3:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 11:45pm: They also have a super profits tax and massive sovereign wealth fund to look after their citizens unlike Australia which just gives away all its resources to foreign pirates in exchange for some temporary employment opportunities Yeah and a 38.52% personal income tax rate plus a 4.4% Social Security rate. ;) https://tradingeconomics.com/norway/personal-income-tax-rate

Yep they look after their elderly in retirement so people don't mind paying high taxes unlike Australia where everyday you are made to fear growing old and how you will never have enough for retirement. What a horrible predicament this country offers to its elderly  :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 4:38pm:

ep they look after their elderly in retirement so people don't mind paying high taxes unlike Australia where everyday you are made to fear growing old and how you will never have enough for retirement.

So that's why you avoid tax?

I don't fear growing old. I am old. And I have enough retirement income.

You must have too, the amount of time spent here. ;)

lee wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 5:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 22nd, 2018 at 4:38pm: ep they look after their elderly in retirement so people don't mind paying high taxes unlike Australia where everyday you are made to fear growing old and how you will never have enough for retirement. So that's why you avoid tax? I don't fear growing old. I am old. And I have enough retirement income. You must have too, the amount of time spent here. ;)

You've just illustrated what is wrong with this country. "I am all alright mate so should everyone else be". The Scandinavian countries don't look at it like this and expect everyone to paddle their own canoes. Not only that why do we hand over the manage of retirement savings to private enterprise to do what they like when the pollies don't do it ?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 5:35pm:

You've just illustrated what is wrong with this country. "I am all alright mate so should everyone else be". The Scandinavian countries don't look at it like this and expect everyone to paddle their own canoes. Not only that why do we hand over the manage of retirement savings to private enterprise to do what they like when the pollies don't do it ?

And yet you didn't respond about you. ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20^th, 2018 at 11:24am:

boy Lee u really need to read stuff before u post..

You mean like you and the GRACE satellites? ;)

lee wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 7:42pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 11:24am: boy Lee u really need to read stuff before u post.. You mean like you and the GRACE satellites? ;)

nice redirection there Lee. SO u Admit your wrong ? ;) ;) ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 7:21am:

nice redirection there Lee. SO u Admit your wrong ?

Nope. You haven't shown anything.

lee wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 1:00pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 23rd, 2018 at 7:21am: nice redirection there Lee. SO u Admit your wrong ? Nope. You haven't shown anything.

I’ll show u mine if u show me yours ;D ;D ;D

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 1:33pm:

I’ll show u mine if u show me yours

You haven'y got anything worth offering.

meanwhile Norway wants electric aircraft by 2040. Just have to plug in on flyover.

lee wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 5:18pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 23rd, 2018 at 1:33pm: I’ll show u mine if u show me yours You haven'y got anything worth offering. meanwhile Norway wants electric aircraft by 2040. Just have to plug in on flyover.

And what's Australia want ?

The ability to travel at more than 56 knots when travelling by air.

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 12:13pm:

The ability to travel at more than 56 knots when travelling by air.

haha before the Tesla's remember what everyone said about electric cars........ and speed ;) ;)
check out VW's entry this year a pike's peak ;) ;)

Yes Don. And to make a  plane go faster? Add more engines. Add more engines on an electric plane; the current draw gets bigger. Add more batteries? The weight goes up making the plane slower.

You do understand the difference between a plane and a car; don't you?

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 2:05pm:

Yes Don. And to make a  plane go faster? Add more engines. Add more engines on an electric plane; the current draw gets bigger. Add more batteries? The weight goes up making the plane slower. You do understand the difference between a plane and a car; don't you?

https://www.livescience.com/58624-electric-powered-plane-sets-speed-record.html
ohh 337 km's top speed, and they haven't even really started on planes yet. where did u get 50 knots ;)
There r quite a few groups developing EV planes give it a few years and it will happen :) ;) ;)
Untill then Lee keep dreaming.. its a lovely world out there  :) ;)

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 2:05pm:

Yes Don. And to make a  plane go faster? Add more engines. Add more engines on an electric plane; the current draw gets bigger. Add more batteries? The weight goes up making the plane slower. You do understand the difference between a plane and a car; don't you?

You basically can't have electric planes: it's crazy they are dreaming of small commercial craft!

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 2:53pm:

https://www.livescience.com/58624-electric-powered-plane-sets-speed-record.html

Oh a single seater? Put 'em on the wings, she'll be right. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

From your reference -

""Just six such propulsion units would be sufficient to power a typical 19-seat hybrid-electric airplane," Frank Anton, head of "eAircraft" at the Siemens startup unit next47, said in a statement."

"Hybrid-electric aircraft have gas turbine engines which drive electrical generators to power electrically motor driven fans. "

https://tec.ieee.org/newsletter/september-2016/hybrid-electric-aircraft-state-of-the-art-and-key-electrical-system-challenges

Oh dear. reading just the headlines again.


DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 2:53pm:

ohh 337 km's top speed, and they haven't even really started on planes yet. where did u get 50 knots

You do know planes fly at night? When the sun isn't shining and charging the batteries?

Solar Impulse flew around the world in 16 months. 22000 miles = 2mph.

Its top speed was 87mph and cruise 56mph

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 2:53pm:

lee wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 2:05pm: Yes Don. And to make a  plane go faster? Add more engines. Add more engines on an electric plane; the current draw gets bigger. Add more batteries? The weight goes up making the plane slower. You do understand the difference between a plane and a car; don't you? https://www.livescience.com/58624-electric-powered-plane-sets-speed-record.html ohh 337 km's top speed, and they haven't even really started on planes yet. where did u get 50 knots ;) There r quite a few groups developing EV planes give it a few years and it will happen :) ;) ;) Untill then Lee keep dreaming.. its a lovely world out there  :) ;)

You think electric planes will work in a commercial world? To my mind that would require a less ambitious society not inflamed by the endless drug fuelled mantras of hollywood!

It's all a plot to sell oil.... that's what drives the complex and Americas superiority in being able to secure said resource! The arabs are happy to sell it but that implies slavery and immense greed on their end so its endless misery!

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 3:07pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 2:53pm: https://www.livescience.com/58624-electric-powered-plane-sets-speed-record.html Oh a single seater? Put 'em on the wings, she'll be right. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D From your reference - ""Just six such propulsion units would be sufficient to power a typical 19-seat hybrid-electric airplane," Frank Anton, head of "eAircraft" at the Siemens startup unit next47, said in a statement." "Hybrid-electric aircraft have gas turbine engines which drive electrical generators to power electrically motor driven fans. " https://tec.ieee.org/newsletter/september-2016/hybrid-electric-aircraft-state-of-the-art-and-key-electrical-system-challenges Oh dear. reading just the headlines again. DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 2:53pm: ohh 337 km's top speed, and they haven't even really started on planes yet. where did u get 50 knots You do know planes fly at night? When the sun isn't shining and charging the batteries? Solar Impulse flew around the world in 16 months. 22000 miles = 2mph. Its top speed was 87mph and cruise 56mph

It's certainly not commercially viable in the current understanding of 'commercially viable'.

But that is government subsidy for ya: economic systems are built around government subsidy and the more entrenched they are the more difficult they become to extract!

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 3:07pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 2:53pm: https://www.livescience.com/58624-electric-powered-plane-sets-speed-record.html Oh a single seater? Put 'em on the wings, she'll be right. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D From your reference - ""Just six such propulsion units would be sufficient to power a typical 19-seat hybrid-electric airplane," Frank Anton, head of "eAircraft" at the Siemens startup unit next47, said in a statement." "Hybrid-electric aircraft have gas turbine engines which drive electrical generators to power electrically motor driven fans. " https://tec.ieee.org/newsletter/september-2016/hybrid-electric-aircraft-state-of-the-art-and-key-electrical-system-challenges Oh dear. reading just the headlines again. DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 2:53pm: ohh 337 km's top speed, and they haven't even really started on planes yet. where did u get 50 knots You do know planes fly at night? When the sun isn't shining and charging the batteries? Solar Impulse flew around the world in 16 months. 22000 miles = 2mph. Its top speed was 87mph and cruise 56mph

ohh now your bringing in the impulse that ran for 5 days without stopping going from Japan to Hawaii and is run on solar panels.......including flying all night........ how many ICE planes can do that ?
Yes solar panel cars don't go very fast either, however EV's do.
As I said it wont take long and there will be electric planes running around just like 10 years ago there where 2000 EV's sold a year and this years there has already been 1 million eV's sold.
The same was said about Tesla's if u check, about more power needing more weight etc etc.. now EV's can go 600kms and the same car is the fastest 0-100km production car ever made, so give it a few years and id say it will happen. ;) ;) ;)
and isn't it a lovely day Lee, so much to smile about  :)

TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 3:11pm:

lee wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 3:07pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 2:53pm: https://www.livescience.com/58624-electric-powered-plane-sets-speed-record.html Oh a single seater? Put 'em on the wings, she'll be right. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D From your reference - ""Just six such propulsion units would be sufficient to power a typical 19-seat hybrid-electric airplane," Frank Anton, head of "eAircraft" at the Siemens startup unit next47, said in a statement." "Hybrid-electric aircraft have gas turbine engines which drive electrical generators to power electrically motor driven fans. " https://tec.ieee.org/newsletter/september-2016/hybrid-electric-aircraft-state-of-the-art-and-key-electrical-system-challenges Oh dear. reading just the headlines again. DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 2:53pm: ohh 337 km's top speed, and they haven't even really started on planes yet. where did u get 50 knots You do know planes fly at night? When the sun isn't shining and charging the batteries? Solar Impulse flew around the world in 16 months. 22000 miles = 2mph. Its top speed was 87mph and cruise 56mph It's certainly not commercially viable in the current understanding of 'commercially viable'. But that is government subsidy for ya: economic systems are built around government subsidy and the more entrenched they are the more difficult they become to extract!

they will be viable when running costs r lower than Fossil fuel planes. Less parts so less servicing, cheaper refuelling.

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 3:34pm:

now EV's can go 600kms and the same car is the fastest 0-100km production car ever made, so give it a few years and id say it will happen.

Lighter batteries or lighter passengers? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 3:34pm:

and isn't it a lovely day Lee, so much to smile about

It is now the fog has lifted. ;)

Isn't Solar impulse an EV aeroplane?

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 4:00pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 3:34pm: now EV's can go 600kms and the same car is the fastest 0-100km production car ever made, so give it a few years and id say it will happen. Lighter batteries or lighter passengers? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 3:34pm: and isn't it a lovely day Lee, so much to smile about It is now the fog has lifted. ;) Isn't Solar impulse an EV aeroplane?

the solar panels power the plane during the day and charge a battery to keep the plane going all night. So its a solar panel plane with a night extender battery :)
Theoretically it could stay in the air indefinitely. ;) ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:

Theoretically it could stay in the air indefinitely.

At 56mph. ;)

Except of course for when it was in Hawaii getting repaired for months.

Norway getting rid of fossil fuels, no hybrid EV planes available.

I've been really happy about these new moves to renewable energy and electric power for quite a few years now, but this morning there was a story on the ABC website about thalidomide, and it made me wonder.

Now we've had science invent the coal-fired power station, the internal-combustion engine, asbestos, (a great wonder of technology in 1958), and as mentioned above, there was thalidomide too.

It is all good to stop burning our planet's history to help us get around without needing to walk on two legs like Lucy was so proud of, but after having seen the disasters of 'modern' science from a historical perspective, I am only just beginning to get an ominous sense that the power storage systems which we are currently falling in love with - lithium etc. - may become proliferant in our societies before we learn of their unknown dangers.

I just hope that Norway treads carefully.  After what we have witnessed from the wonders of modern science, we are on thin ice.

PS:  If it helps to ease your worries, it is quite simple to store solar energy in a static location using no other chemicals than H2O.  It would not work on a plane or in a car.  They will need batteries on calm nights, as far as my knowledge can fathom.

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 4:05pm: Theoretically it could stay in the air indefinitely. At 56mph. ;) Except of course for when it was in Hawaii getting repaired for months. Norway getting rid of fossil fuels, no hybrid EV planes available.

And u would of naysayer the Wright bros to... ohh only 100 metres, only 20 mph.... ;) ;) ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 7:17pm:

And u would of naysayer the Wright bros to... ohh only 100 metres, only 20 mph...

And you would say "Elon Musk has a flying saucer; what a great idea". ;)

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2018 at 7:52pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 7:17pm: And u would of naysayer the Wright bros to... ohh only 100 metres, only 20 mph... And you would say "Elon Musk has a flying saucer; what a great idea". ;)

if he did I would say that,
yes...... and you would complain it only came in one colour  :D :D :D
ohh and isn't it a wonderful morning  ;) ;)